The Mystery of the Crystal Skull w/ Bill Homann & Catherine Lanigan

On this edition of the Strangeology Podcast, I sat down with Bill Homann—the current caretaker of the legendary Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull—and author Catherine Lanigan to explore the deep history, mysteries, and otherworldly power surrounding this enigmatic relic. We dive into the skull’s discovery in a Mayan temple in 1924, its alleged Atlantean origins, and the profound spiritual experiences it has catalyzed for decades. Bill shares his personal journey with the skull, its global travels, and how it’s said to connect with ancient energy grids and even record the history of the universe. Whether you’re a skeptic or a seeker, this conversation opens the door to a higher understanding of consciousness, healing, and humanity’s forgotten past. Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most mysterious artifacts on Earth.

Show Notes:

Bill Homann's website: https://billhomannandthemitchellhedgescrystalskull.com/
Catherine Lanigan's website: https://officialcatherinelanigan.com/

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stick around at the end of the show. Okay, so
this episode is going to be a special one, and
it's a little hard to hide my excitement here. I
have the privilege today of speaking with Bill Homan and
Catherine Lagan. Now, if you're unfamiliar, since two thousand and seven,

(02:04):
Bill has been the legal guardian of the legendary Mitchell
Hedges Crystal Skull. Now, this is a enigmatic artifact that
has captivated the imagination of people around the world. So
we're going to be getting into the history, the mystery,
the legends, and personal experiences surrounding this remarkable relic. So

(02:28):
just a couple quick introductions here before we dive in.
Bill has spent a lifetime traveling the world for humanitarian
type work to help people find love and joy and
happiness in their lives. He's met with indigenous tribal leaders
and shamans across North and South America, the Aboriginal people

(02:50):
of Australia. He first learned of the Mitchell Hedges Skull
while he was stationed in Panama while he was a
sergeant in the Air Force and he eventually connected with
Anna Mitchell Hedges in the late nineteen seventies and now
is the guardian of the skull, and he travels around
the world with the skull so the world can see

(03:13):
and experience this relic, and so it's not kept behind
glass and some museum out there.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Now.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Catherine is also here with us, and she is an
international best selling and award winning author of over sixty books,
most notably a non fiction trilogy on angelic intervention, and
has had her stories adapted for television, and she speaks
frequently at conventions, inspiring audiences with her real stories of

(03:47):
interactions with these angelic beings, as well as appearing on
many other podcasts and radio shows a like like Coast
to Coast that we all know and love. So, without
further ado, thank you both Bill and Catherine for being
here today. I guess my first question really is you

(04:08):
know this? This this object has always fascinated me since
I first learned about it. For listeners who are unfamiliar
with the story, can you share the origin story of
the Mitchell Hedges skull and how did it eventually come
into your care?

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Sure Mitchell Hedges was a British Explorer adventure. He worked
with the British Secret Service and spent time down in
Central America at the time, where a lot of the
Nazis were down there looking for these special artifacts. And
he believed there was a tie between Lanis and the

(04:47):
Maya and he was trying to make that connection. And
so he heard about a city that was very deep
in the jungle, completely covered, and went off to find
that it was in British Chanduras at the time. Now
it's beliefs, and the name of the site was lubon Tun,

(05:07):
which means the place of the falling stones or falling
light or whatever. But you know, with the ets Yea
and connection, you think with that energy, there's a lot
of the Mayans believe in the sky, the sky people,
and they're very connected to that legends and beliefs. So

(05:30):
he went off and went you know, they went through
the jungle and it took him the cot and chopped
most of the way, and then they found a stream,
a river that would take them up there. And they
started up the river and with all their supplies hit
rappers and they lost everything. They were able to put
together one boat of the three and they went up

(05:51):
the river, and they were going through the jungle and
fell over this stone, which is a Dolmen stone, and
they knew that they were there, so they were all excited.
But that was just a start, because it took like
four years of chopping and burning with the help of
all the Mayans in the area to open up these

(06:12):
these pyramids. And there were seven pyramids on the site.
There was a ball court, one of the first one
they've they found out in that area, and also there
was spiritual centers there. So he uncovered them all and
on the one, the tallest pyramid, it was said that
if you went to the top, you could see all

(06:32):
the way to the ocean. And he was down there
with his adopted daughter Anna, and the kids are always
told never to go up there. It was dangerous their
snakes and the rocks move, but she wanted to see
the ocean, so when everyone was taking a siesta in
the middle of a she snuck up with some of
the Mayans and they went to the top and it

(06:53):
was real cloudy, and the the there was a movement
in the in the cloud was just big enough for
a light a beam to come down and it went
through the pyramid rocks and there was a light inside
and she ran down excitedly to tell her dad, who
put her in big trouble for being there. But when
she woke up the next day, he had all the

(07:14):
men out there and they were starting to take rock
by rock and it started to collapse. So they had
to change their plan and then do it very very carefully,
And after about six weeks they got a hole big
enough in this pyramid and they chose Annas and she's
the one that saw it, and she was small, put
a rope around her and lowered into this pyramid in

(07:36):
the dark that hadn't been opened for a thousand years,
so you don't know what's inside or what's going to happen.
But so she went in and felled around and there
was something there, and she put it in her shirt
and the pull on the rope and they brought her
up and that's when it opened up and the skull
was seen in light for that first time in so
many years. But with that it the mind. It was

(08:00):
like their God had returned, so it was very powerful,
very emotional. So that is the Stow way the story
was told. That was in nineteen twenty four and it
was on January first, nineteen twenty four, when she found it,
and that was her birthday, her seventeenth birthday. And the

(08:23):
interesting thing is when she passed it to me. She
passed it to me on April eleventh, which was my birthday.
So that's a pretty with a skull. There's always amazing
things that happened, and they all fall into interesting places
and keeps keeps life interesting, to say the least.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, it certainly sounds like it. That's a very cool,
very cool thing that happened. Now, how did I meet?

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Okay, Well, let's see, when I was down I was
in Panama on the service, and i'd go off to
this little island that was off the coast called Toboga
and had a big bay there, and Mitchell Hedges loved
to fish and he has I think he has at
least three or four of his world records have never
been beaten all this time. And so he came in

(09:16):
there there for to load up his boat and get
ready to go out again. And there was a young
lady there at the time, she was young, and she
owned this little hotel right on the beach, and that
was the place I would go to go scuba diving,
and when I was, you know, in the service, she
gets a little time off and that's where I love

(09:37):
to spend my time. And while I was there she
I met with her and she told me the story
of Mitchell Hedges and his men coming on, you know,
coming down there and meeting with him, and some of
the stories he told, and it got me all excited
because I love adventure. I'm always ready for an adventure.
And then hearing this and the jungles down there and

(09:59):
the ocean and go, it was just magical, so to speak.
And then I was on on the mainland and went
to one of the places where they had a big
room with a lot of the information on the Panama Canal,
and there was a picture on the wall of Mitchell Hedges.

(10:21):
It was called into the Panama Canal because it was
blocked and had been blacked for several weeks and they
couldn't get any boats in or out. And so he went.
They brought him down there, and what it was there
was a huge octopus. They completely closed off for the canal,
and so he had to go up with with chain

(10:43):
or they did harpooned it, and then they chain sawed
it up and drug it out by top tugboats to
open up the canal. But I heard that story, and
then I happened to see a picture of the Mitchell
Hedges skull, and I believe that, you know, if there's
people that see it, but there's people that are drawn
to it. And at this time in the history of

(11:05):
the Earth, it's important to bring the people together that
have that interest, because there's a purpose for everything, and
there's people don't just look at it, Oh, this is neat,
but there's some that have that drawing. And we're open
now to bringing the people together that have a connection,

(11:27):
a past life connection or whatever with the skull. So
I find that very exciting. So after I saw the
picture and everything, they went back to the States. I
was taking a class in crystals, and this young lady
just came back from Canada where she met with Animateal

(11:50):
Hedges and her secretary, Cynthia, and I told how exciting
it was and how beautiful, and she showed me a
few pictures and she gave me the telephone number up there,
and I called up there, you know, a little nervous,
but I did, and right off the back they were
like people I'd known forever. So I felt so comfortable,

(12:11):
and so I drove up there for the first time,
and we met and became friends and connected really strongly
with a skull. And then I would go up over
the years, and anytime she had needed to take the
skull to a place to show it or whatever, I

(12:33):
would get off so I could go up and do
that for help her. And that went all the way
till nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety her secretary passed away,
and after that she moved sold her house. It's a
four bedroom house and all the stuff in it. She
moved it I boat to England and bought another house

(12:56):
and she stayed over there for like two three years
and decided it wasn't right. So she sold everything, put
everything back in the boat and took it back to Canada.
It was real. It was near Toronto. The Kitchener is
the name of the town. It was her town. And yeah,
and so she got everything back and got it in place,

(13:18):
and she was there and I called when we talk
all the time. I called, and she was not doing
it very well. She had some kind of thing in
her chest and she was barely making it. And there's
every time I'd call I'd feel worse and worse. So
I said, I told her, hey, come back, come down
here to Indiana. I'll get you feeling better and we'll

(13:40):
go on some adventures. And I guess she liked that
idea because she loves the adventure too, And so she came.
We loaded up in a big U haul and brought
her down to UH, to Indiana, and she stayed down
there for like probably three four years, and she started

(14:03):
the teaching me of how to take care of the
skull and what to do with it, because the skull
can't be sold, it can only be gifted, and it
only can be gifted to who. Pretty much the skull
chooses it, even if you know, sculptures it. Yeah, yeah,
and so it is. It keeps it does keep life interesting.

(14:26):
So that was that, and then she UH went back
to Canada. Then she sold that house and moved to England,
bought another house, moving all her stuff every time. And
then she didn't like that, and she moved back to UH, Canada,
bought another house and she was kind of under the

(14:49):
weather again, and I said, well, you better come back
to Indiana. We'll have some adventures. And she sold the house,
put everything into Utah, and we went up there and
helped and we all moved everything down here. And that
was in two thousand and one, right before nine to eleven.
So if it would happened after nine to eleven, we
wouldn't be able to get the U haul through the

(15:12):
you know, through the border. But we were able to
do that it was right before. So we took it
down there and we you know, she got better and
we had some a number of very interesting adventures. One
of them was going she wanted to see Honduras again
where her father found a lot of artifacts, and she

(15:37):
some of the stuff they had to leave down there
because when they were called back to England and then
he was going down with everything loaded up to go
back and check it out again. But then the war
broke out and and so he wasn't able to leave

(15:57):
because they needed him to stay there and OpEd the country.
So he stayed and worked with him and never got
back down there. So Sammy wanted to see a few
places and where it was, so we took her first
to Copan and they would driving the copon after going
all night with no sleep and then getting there and

(16:18):
I'm driving on these roads and straight drops like that
and he looked over there as a bus end of
the bus ticket. Howard didn't make it. So I was like, oh,
I think I'll try to slap myself on the head
and drink some coffee. I got to get through this.
But we got there and she got to meet with

(16:40):
some of the archaeologists that were on the site, and
we took Carol Wilson Davis, the one that wrote the
book The Skull Speaks, and she's one of the top
psychics in Canada and a very special person, and she
was with us and so she would key into things
like you wouldn't believe. And we went to a Copon.

(17:01):
It was one of the biggest sites mindsight in the
in the any in the country. And she met with
the archaeologists and they had just found the Red Lady
of Copon and and the tomb was just they were
in it, but nobody has ever been in it except
for the archaeologists, and so they talking to Carol. Carol

(17:22):
told him a number of things that where it was,
how was laid out everything, what they were missing, and
they were like shocked. And then they went and checked
on it and she was one hundred percent right. So
they invited her, which she didn't invite anybody in, but
they were inviting her in, and she says what Carol

(17:43):
always said, that's okay, I'll let Bill do it. Put
it on me. But that was okay. So but we
met some interesting stuff and there, and then we flew
down to the Roton and that's where there's an island
around there, very close that Mitchell Hedges left this crystal boy.

(18:06):
It's just about eighteen inches tall of pure crystal. It
could be a crystal Boy or crystal Deity. And he
left it in a cave down there, and she wanted
to check on that. And you know, I the story
must have been heard because I had NBC through Science
the Sci Fi Channel, and they wanted to do a

(18:26):
two hour documentary about it, and so I gave him
all the ideas for it. But then they invited me along,
which I didn't mind at all because I was We
were going through caves and going through the jungle and on.
It was pretty cool, man going through the mangrove swamps.
But we did that, and but Carol would always and

(18:48):
Sammy would stay back. I call her Sammy because that's
her nickname, Hannah. And they would stay back and send
bill and I went through the stuff. So it was
it's always an interesting time and it's not always the same.
So but she passed away, like I said, my birthday,

(19:11):
and trained me on what she wanted, how to trade,
to take care of the skull, how to use the
energy to block it, to send it whatever. And after
that she passed and then I, you know, at first
it was really a learning thing. Why me, Why would
I get this opportunity? Why would it be? But as

(19:33):
I've studied with various shamans and spiritual leaders from all over,
you know, and join back. Some people believe in past lives,
but because of the business I am, in past lives
fits pretty comfortably. And so I have had a lot

(19:54):
of contacts with a skull in the past, and I
believe it's because we're at a time now that the
the skull has come out because the world needs help,
and the skull has a lot of this ancient universal love.
So if you're around the skull, you feel like a
connection with the creator. So that's a really neat thing.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, that is quite quite the adventure. Quite the
history there behind now, oh yeah, and fa Mitchell Hedges
and where it's come into your care since two thousand
and seven. Now, yeah, now I'm wondering, you know, I

(20:40):
do want to kind of get into a little bit
about you know, how you take care of this skull.
You know, what goes into that. Are there specific rituals
or energies that you need to try to like harness
and draw or how does that all work with the skull?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
It's all natural, so it's not like you have to
do anything real. It's because I have a through the
the Mayans have worked with me, and the connection of
the skull with me is just like we're almost like
one right and you know if I you know, I
can just you can probably feel energy just by the way,

(21:24):
you know, moving the energy with the skull, it through
the zoom through the zoom. Yeah, and what you're feeling
now from the skull is this great, great love. So
you should feel that guy in your heart. So it's
quite interesting. Rituals.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Ritual Yeah, it's just a radiant, a radiant thing for sure,
radiant beautiful bee.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, he's sending you fun right now. So maybe you're
up life right now. You know, there's too much uh,
scary stuff and what the skull is saying is time
for bringing love and joy and peace and happiness into
the world. And so that's one of the energies that's

(22:11):
putting out quite strongly.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, I feel that for sure. For sure. It's
you know, very important thing to have that kind of
energy projecting out into the world, uh, in these days
for sure. Now I'm I'm wondering you you've both spent
a number of years in close proximity. Of course, I mean,

(22:37):
the skull's with you every day. Can you talk about,
you know, some of the most profound or inexplicable interesting
experiences that you've you've had with the skull.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
The skull when we work on with with people in
a session like that's it's pretty interesting how it works
on one of one session, because a skull opens the
person up and helps them to see the different blockages
that they have. And the blockage is like you got

(23:11):
a river that's flowing down here, and all of a sudden,
there's a big boulder in it and the water is
fighting to get around it. When you remove the boulder,
it's a freeing thing and then it changes the energy
of the person. So the skull is able to do that,
which I find it, you know, we're just look, there's

(23:31):
more to learn all the time. I do not know
everything for sure, but I work with that and kath
Is the skull communicates with her by usually giving two
or three or four, well usually two or three of
a past lives that connect with the person that need.

(23:51):
By removing the and helping them to understand what it is,
it opens up them to get through it, release it
and bring out their gifts because so many people, especially
now are here at a time when we're kind of
raising the consciousness of humanity where the DNA is being

(24:15):
changed in a positive way to bring in this kind
of a connection with the galactics that they're they're working
with us. So by doing that, it hearing that it does.
We've had some real interesting ones with that, for sure,
and I've met a lot of really nice people at

(24:36):
Contact in the desert last year and we did change
lives and that's what I like. And with the skull
also it works on the grid lines. The Aborigines called
them sunlines. And once when the uh I had the

(24:57):
skull is almost the first year, I got a call
from Australia and they wanted me to bring the skull
over there, so I brought it over there, and when
I got there, one of the first people I met
was some of the Aborigines who said that they were
planning on me being there for the last so many
years before anybody knew about it. So I thought, well,

(25:21):
that's pretty good, that's pretty neat. Then yeah, but then
they said they wanted needed me to take the skull
out to an area where it's an old there's an
old cald era, ancient volcano, and they said there was
an energy line sunline that was blocked from the volcano
all the way through into the sea all the way

(25:43):
to Mancho Picchu, and it had been blocked for many
how many hundreds of years? And so we went out
there and they told me put it right here, and
they did a little ceremony richinal or whatever, and I'm
just and I was just with them, and all of
a sudden they said, oh K and I picked it
up and they thanked me and they said it worked.

(26:03):
And went on my way, but it was like thanks
for coming. Yeah. Yeah. And they're you know, they're so
deep and you know, they're connected. Probably the oldest people
on earth are the Aborigines. Yeah, and their knowledge is

(26:24):
they really really something. They gave me an initiation. I
don't know if this is the good initiation or not.
But they took me out of the jungle because there's
one area needed work, and they gave me this stuff
to drink that tasted really bad, and so I drank
it okay, and then but I found that it was

(26:45):
a good thing I did because it's to keep the
snakes away, and you know, with Australia having the ten
most deadly snakes in the world.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, yeah, right, I know, like snake Because.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Then there's I had two aborigines in front of me
and I'm walking through the jungle and then they kind
of laugh at me and say, well, the first person
goes by, he sees the next person, he gets mad,
and the third one he's going to get after. And
I'm in line. I'm thirty, Oh no out. Yeah, but

(27:24):
you gotta in the business. You gotta have a sense
of humor and a lot of interesting things. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Two other people request that you come out and help
clear energy and grid lines and that kind of thing.
I was curious about that.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Uh yeah, there's you know, I've been doing it mostly
in the country for the last so many years. Because
of some of the changes. But I really need somebody
that has a private jet get to meet some of
these places. But that's that we can't lifetime, so we
can't commercial with that with them.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a precious cargo for sure. Now
I was curious. So back in the nineteen seventies or
I think it was nineteen seventies, Hewlett Packard did a
bunch of testing on the skull and I'll let them
kind of do run tests and see what was going

(28:24):
on physically with the skull. Can you talk about that
a little bit and has there been any additional testing
done over the years.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Okay, what it is is it was tested in nineteen
seventy by some of the top scientists in the world
in Crystal and Hewlett Packard laboratories, and they were able
to determine in their last saying what it was. They
were saying, this thing should not be here. They say

(28:55):
it should be if it was hand rubbed, it would
take like three hundred years of hand rubbing with sand
and herbs to shape it. Because it's got bumps like
in a human head. It has dolphins in the cheekbones.
If you look at the side I'm not sure if
you can see it, but there's the head, the tail,
and the fin. There's one on this side and there's

(29:17):
one on this side.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
And what it is. It's like the double dolphins of
the Muria. So we're kind of connecting a lot with
that energy lately, and so that's why the skull is
kind of coming out more to help humanity. So, yeah,
it's got If you look in the back of it,
it's like a human brain. Who has a human brain

(29:43):
if you right, and if you look into the eyes,
it takes you into a whole different world of crystal. Yeah,
and you see like a crystal palace or something, and
it's like it's alive and there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah, And now do we have any idea how old
the skull is?

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Okay, you know what, it's made against the grain. It
has lenses and prisms built into it that direct the light.
To do that, it would take a technology that's not
even available on Earth today because to build a crystal
exactly like you want on it, you can't do it

(30:28):
in gravity. So they are working on crystals and they
are building them precisely, but they're doing it on the
Space Center up in space. Right now. So that's another
thing that makes how that happened, and it does. As
far as tool marks, there is no tool marks on it.

(30:48):
It was tested four times at Smithsonian. They couldn't find it.
The last time we tested all morning they couldn't find
any and then they say, okay, go to lunch, and
so I went to lunch. So they send me out
of the room and they come back and they say, oh,
look at there's tu mars. So I went to the
uh uh, the to one of the colleges around here, Purdue,

(31:14):
and I went in the lab and retested it the
same way they did because they take it. Took a
decip call I think it was register the stuff Denis used,
and they were putting it on the skull and then
they take it off and then they put on their
microscope and try to see what it is. Because if
you take a microscope and you shine into the skull

(31:36):
trying to see the surface, you're you know, how can
you look into a piece of glass something that this
is as clear as ice, holy ice? And so it's
you know, it's and there's a there's a beauty to it,
but you can't look into it. You have to put
something on the surface and then look at the cirt

(31:56):
what's on that because if you just look inside the
there's all different things going on. And I think it
has to do with the technology where they're looking into light,
where they're using light patterns and they're in printing them
inside the skull with different knowledge, and so that you know,

(32:17):
if you have a technology or you have something like
this in the world is a race of people are
leaving for whatever reason, and they want to save stuff
for future generations. You would put it on something that
was loved very much or feared very much, and so
the skull would be a perfect thing because of the

(32:39):
beauty of it. It would be protected. And then with
the fact that it's a skull. And then people have
funny feelings with skulls, and until they know the skull,
this skull is so friendly, you kind of fall in
love with it. He's a it's really a peaceful thing.
But not knowing. But that's so there are some of

(33:00):
those patterns. Because the size of this, it's Piegel Electric courts,
the same kind of courts they make computers chips out of.
It would take you know, they would hold all this
anything we could put on every book and every library
and then some. But it also is recording. It records everything.

(33:21):
It's recording us right now, and it coords life around it.
So I find that's quite interesting too. So keeps me.
I'm always being a good guy around the skull. Yeah,
you know what, I'll tell you a story. Sammy broke
her hip and she had to go to the hospital

(33:43):
and so, and you know, I went there and she said,
here's a few things to take care of, and I
want you to watch after the skull. So she gave
me the okay to do it. And so I came
back to the house and it was in one room
and I was going to move it in the other,
and the skull had this look on his face that
almost froze me, and trying to tell him, hey, I'm

(34:08):
supposed to do this, I'm protecting you. But you know
that's that's before why she was still alive. That happened,
and I've seen it give that look on several other
times when certain people around. But basically, the skulls usually
like he's smiling at you right now. I don't know

(34:28):
if you can see it or feel it, but.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
He is definitely looks like it. For sure, yeah, yeah,
it is. It is interesting. I was going to ask,
you know what the because we use quartz crystal for
computers now, and you know what could be encoded in
the skull And they say that the.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
History of the universe is getting quoted inside the skull. Wow,
because it was the thirteen skulls, and each one of
the skulls have a little bit different of what they
do from when I'm told this is the center skull,
so it has that knowledge as part of what it
is supposed to do. The other words, not all of

(35:10):
them are piece of electric quartz. Some of them are
like red rubies and different other types of rocks. But
this one, I think is the one that has most
of the information. And I find that so it's you know,
you think when you see it, you say, oh, you're

(35:32):
looking at it, and people I think, oh, I can
try to make it do this or that. But the
best thing to do with the skull is go with
an empty glass and let the skull give you. But
if you try to put you know this and that
it shuts down. And the rest of them is do
it with an open heart and meet the love in

(35:56):
your heart with the love and the skull and then
amazing amazing things sometimes.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you'd have to you can't. You
have to go in with good intention, I would think
for sure.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
And I was going to ask about, you know, the
legends of the thirteen skulls. All these ancient traditions and
indigenous people like have talked about this, this legend, and
I wasn't aware that the Mitchell Hedges skull was kind
of considered the like, the main event, the centerpiece skull.

(36:33):
I mean, what are some of the other skulls out
there that we've found as part of this set of thirteen?
Have any of them been found?

Speaker 3 (36:42):
There's at least at least four of them out there.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yeah, okay, And.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
You know, I h there's a lot of the people
with the skulls and I really respect and like and
they're doing good work. But you know, I have a
job to do and I've taken on from something deep
inside of me, and I enjoy being able to help

(37:09):
people change lives and do it with fun while you're
doing it everything so it opens people's hearts, and the
heart is so powerful. We are all creators in God's image,
and so as creators and God's image we create everything
in the world, and there's a like a negative group

(37:32):
that's putting out all this bad stuff gonna the world's
gonna blow up tomorrow and there's gonna be hurricanes and
tornadoes and all this stuff, and they putting it out
and right in your face, and everybody falls for it
and goes along with it. Then they're creating it. It's not.
All they have to do is put the carot in

(37:54):
front of these people's face. And if you don't, if
you fall for it, you cause you create your own dismise.
So it's all on us to stay in the middle point,
don't before or against it, and think about the things
you want in your life, not the ones that you

(38:15):
don't want. And it's like you're building your own future,
our future for peace and joy and love and happiness,
and it's in our hands to do it. I find that, Well,
that's a lesson that's coming through really strong for the
last five years at least with the skull.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely topical with you know how the
world kind of shifted and changed back in twenty twenty,
and yeah, we're still feeling all the effects from that now.
The skeptical community the mainstream archaeological community. You know, they

(38:58):
often shoot down you know, well, you know minds like this,
What what's your response to that? And and why are
they so reluctant to you know, take serious looks at
it objects like these.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
The Smithsonian has a mandate to keep history the way
they want the way they want it, that's the mandate.
And with that mandate anything that doesn't fit there seven
thousand year old cycle. They're really having to fight now
because of the late hour and all the stuff is

(39:33):
coming out and it's right in their face. I just
heard that the Tatarian Empire was completely washed out of
every history book in the world, and they were around
all the way up to like the nineteenth or twentieth century.
Did you ever hear the Tartarians?

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Oh? Yes, yes, yep, I have.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Isn't that But that's that, that's but that's one of
the things that with the skull, uh. You know. They
let's say there's a site and they go down into
the site, they find all this stuff, and a lot
of it doesn't fit their narrative. So it goes back
to the main place. The Smithsonian goes in the basement

(40:16):
and it's locked up forever and nobody knows about it
after that, and but the skull is in private hands,
so they can't do it. So the only thing they've
been doing is spending millions of dollars trying to say
it's not real when nobody knows who made it, how
it was made, or where it was made, and it

(40:37):
doesn't fit any of the real nobody can can show that.
They say, oh, it's this is that? Okay, Oh show
me the proof, you know. That's sort of the proof
is what makes it. But the thing is is it's
not here to disrupt anything. It's only here to help humanity.

(40:59):
And the people that have the wisdom to see that,
then they understand it. The ones that are come with
a small mind and try to think, well, that's what
you get, what you what you give? You know, so
I have a you know, it's just that there's so
much good stuff now coming out where people are starting

(41:21):
to wake up to this higher gifts and ability, and
we're changing the world by taking back and realize that
with all the stuff that's happening, it's opening up people's
highest higher chakras to bring through the light from the

(41:43):
higher planes, from the Creator, and we're feeling the love,
and that's the whole thing. Love is the most powerful
thing in the universe, no matter what. And it's like
the love is the light, and if you put light
on darkness, darkness goes away. So we don't want to
cause problems. We just want to fill joy.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah, and with the skull, it seems like you can
certainly inspire that and and help humanity as a whole
as all.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, yeah, they're not not everyone's ready for that. You
ask how old it is, Oh, they since. I've been
working with a lot of people, and you know, I
feel that it was created by these thirteen Masters, and
the thirteen masters created it with their mind and their

(42:36):
mind focus because the way it's made, it's not really
you know, it's perfectly made and supposedly as a copy
of a high priest that was loved very much, and
then they put all that knowledge and wisdom inside of it.
That's that's what's passed down to me.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
And I.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I feel it, or I would say it, but I do,
just repeating what I've been told about what is coming
on it.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah, And now I mean there's like a connection
or that, you know, the Mayans obviously had had possession
of the skull for a long time and it was
in lou Bentune. And there's kind of like an Atlantean
connection to this too, is there not?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, that was a Lantian and uh Lamorian had was
in on it too, because the Lamorians with the Alanteans
worked with power crystals, so they were into the power crystals.
They kind of got off track with uh. You know,
the more the Limorians were more the the male energy

(43:49):
type and Themorians we're in the female and the uh
Lanteans were the male energy. Can I tell you quick story?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Interesting please?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah? Well, I see last year we went to uh
Egypt and we went up and down the Nile, and
we went to every inside I went to inside every
pyramid and in every temple up and down the Nile,
which is really uh it was very there was magical
because there's there are things that were you know, being

(44:24):
happened and going. You know, it's just an exciting and
interesting place. And I had a dream about a year
before to go into the the pis the Pyramid of Giza,
and it said there's a lock on the wall that
can be opened on one of the walls in the

(44:45):
King's chamber, and so you know, I almost forgot about it,
but then something fell into place that I'm going going there,
and you know, it just happened to be, you know, realizer,
there you are in the King's chamber. And so it
was to take the skull to the to uh the
one side of the wall, and there was using a

(45:08):
tuning fork several, but the one was a four thirty
two and that's what vibrates with the pyramids that's there.
That was it was created on the four thirty two
hurts right. We used that and we did some homing
and uh and do some mattress work right there, and

(45:31):
it vibrated the wall and everything, and we had a
uh an archy.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Egyptologist was with us, and she was standing by the door,
and her job was to pay off the guys that
were there so we could stay longer. You know, it
works really good over there. Just gotta take a lot
of a lot of ones and you're good. But so
we I went to that side, and we, I said,

(46:00):
and I filled with the key of being the frame
of the vibration. It opened up a chamber that went
from the King's chamber down to the Queen's chamber, and
when the chamber opened, it connected the energy from Lomoria
with the energy of Atlantis and so after all these

(46:22):
years there had been you know, the in balance between
male female energy, and so by doing that you could
feel an energy shift and that was that was really amazing.
It was so amazing that the theguitologists said, she's taken

(46:43):
people there for years and years, and why we were
doing our work. They said that the walls of the
pyramid were undulating and you could and that was I
guess Giza was moving. Giza was moving. That was pretty powerful.
But that was like what you were asking about, how
that some stuff works. It's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, what an experience just to
go to all those sites. But then oh yeah, so
have that experience in the in the King's Chamber, and
especially you know, considering recent findings that they found under
under the pyramids, which is just like, yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Possibly starting the energy because we started.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
The amazing one year later then they find all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
How about that? So you just kind of you know,
trust and let go and the feelings come to you
and they're usually right on, so they are always right on.
So just learning to follow those feelings is kind of
a hard thing. It takes a little while because should
I do it? Okay, but once you start following it precisely,

(47:56):
you put you in the right place at the right time,
and everything goes smoothly and fun. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. I'm wondering, you know, since since
you've been in possession and caretaking the skull, have has
there ever been any instances that have you've had unwanted attention?

(48:24):
Has there ever been any kind of meddling? You know,
you mentioned the Smithsonian. They've got their uh, they've got
their history. They want to stick to that, maintain the power.
But has there ever been any any groups that have
tried to, you know, mess with with what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah, well, you know what, we we just do it
because we believe in it. We go forward and open heart.
It does probably step on some people's toes, not meaning to,
because we're only working for the good of the world
or trying to do what we feel is right. And uh,
you know that. There you get some one on ones,

(49:05):
you get a few people and then different things. But
it's it's all about trust and going following through.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Now, what's what's kind of
next for humanity here in relation to the to the Skull,
Do you have any hopes or you know, larger roles
that that this is going to play in the coming years.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, well, it's what we're really working on. We're going
to opening up the fact that we want to get
a center for the skull. You want to get a
center where people can come and spend time with it,
and we'll have you know, meditation and healing and different things.
But also there will be people on that have ability

(49:57):
to stay around it and they are have different gifts.
Where someone might be a healer of some belief way
of doing it, an acupuncturist and martial artist that builds
confidence of meditate working meditation and a real high level

(50:17):
and people that are drawn to it to to come
to see it and be with it because people are
from all over the world and it's so I just
allow it to to talk to the people's hearts and
if they're ready, they come. But I feel that having
a center now that I'm not I'm not saying I'm

(50:38):
getting older, but just sometimes when you get up in
the morning and you're stuff all over that kind of
tells you a few things. But now as we're going
forward here, I'd like to have it so it's protected
in the future. And so by having it not in
a museum, because yeah, in a museum put it between

(51:01):
you know, one is thick glass, and the skull needs
to be around people and it and it's it has
that by doing that, it's it's really able to touch
their hearts. But and instead not in a cold situation,
but the one that is able to be everybody up

(51:22):
up front and personal.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, that seems to be very very important for
the skull and h Yeah, for sure the future legacy.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
That if it's supposed to happen, it will fall into place,
and we're just but I think the time, when the
timings right, I'm sure that will fall in place. I
like to have it in a place where there's like
maybe a stream going through it, so you can have
walking trails by it, you can have you know, the
just that it's so important now to be in nature. Nature.

(51:58):
Nature is so healing to the soul, healing to the
soul in it. Yes, we can have it there and
have it, you know, a quiet a place where you're
connecting with the animals, the birds and all the different
lives like probably have a lot of fairies and all
those kind of things there too. You never know, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have any perspective places you'd
love for this place to be, Well.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
We don't want it in a real cold place, but
we want to more in an area where it's more
You don't it's not like where you're at and where
I'm at, where it could be it could be a
snowstorm marrow and then wait till the weekend and you
got eighty. But we you know, we'd like to find
a place that's a little bit more temperate and also

(52:49):
a place that has the nature around it, but it
is close enough to a big city that has a
way for people to get there easily.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely important for sure. Yeah. Now do
you think that the skull, you know, what would if
the skull could speak directly to all of us, which
you know, I think it's it's it's trying to talk

(53:18):
to us now, but what what's what's the message that
it wants to share with humanity?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
With humanity is uh, you know how important it is
to realize who and what we are, realize our our
innate power and our connection with the creator. Realizing the
fact that as human beings in a five to three dimension,

(53:48):
we're only able to see with eyes that can see
such and such small band of frequency, and here even
smaller band the frequency, and that is what we go on.
But in realizing that there's more all around us, it's
like we're on a radio and we're turning it to

(54:09):
this station and we're here. We're dancing around, playing the game,
so to speak, but we don't see what's outside that frequency,
and it's all around us. So it's almost like they
can be walking right through you and you say, well
that felt funny, but you don't even know what's happening.
But so there's more to it, and this skull is

(54:31):
helping us to understand who we are and what we
are and realize that we're more than our physical bodies.
And you know, Cath's written four books on angels and
past lives where people are coming back, they're passing over
and then something brings them back and what they saw
and what they did. She's got four books on that.

(54:53):
And so when you look at that, you know there's
more to life than you know, what we worry about,
what you're having for dinner. Come into understanding that we're
powerful beings and we are able to create our world.
And if you create good things, you got a good things.

(55:15):
But if you put your mind on fear and worry
in different things, you're going to pull yourself into it.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
It's almost like the law of attraction. So we're working
on with the skull because it's very positive to make us,
you know, come into that the positiveness and take back
their power. And I think that as you meditate, meditation
is a very important part. You know, you have exercise,

(55:44):
good food, different things, but meditation helps you connect to
your inner self. You go into your heart, you go
into your sacred heart that's right below your your heart
or shock or your throat, and at that point you're
you know, you're free to travel and learn and meet

(56:05):
different entities that are real as real as we are.
But you know you have to connect to that. And
the angels are always around to help us if you
ask for it. Too many people, you know, they keep
going the same way and running into the same wall
and they say, well that hurt, but they don't if

(56:25):
they were just ask for divine help for guidance. The
angels are there and they can't help you unless you ask,
and so they just waiting for us to come to
the point to say, hey, please help me on this
or whatever. And you'll be surprised how that changes your life.
We are empowered in ourselfs.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
The Skull is kind of a light to open up people.
But the real power is in each one of us
coming back to a knowledge of who and what we
are and what you know, what we can do as
far as making a world of peace and joy and love.
It's all up to us.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it really is. And we've got
to have fun too, gotta have fun share. Yeah. Now
you mentioned, you know before we started the show today
about potentially doing a meditation. Could you, you know, guide

(57:31):
myself and my listeners through you know, I'd love to.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yeah, the Skull does. The meditation is very well because
it's got that ninety degree turn and it will take
you very easily from the third plane up to a
higher plane, the fifth plane or whatever, and just it's
a very relaxing thing, very peaceful thing. So I'd love
to do it with you. When we do it, we
usually do it to send light and love into the

(57:57):
world because we always need more.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Yes, we absolutely do. Heyl. The meditation that's about to
happen goes on for about ten minutes. So if this
is something that you want to skip ahead, don't want
to listen to because there are some longer periods of silence,
feel free to skip ahead about ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Okay, well, I'll tell you to find yourself into a
comfortable position. Just put your hands in your lap with
your palms up. If you're laying down, just relax. You
have your feet on the floor, lay keep them flat
on the floor, and just take some slow, deep breaths.
And here's a breath pattern that will help you and

(58:43):
you can use it anytime you want to breathe in
for the count of four. So breathe in for four,
then hold your breath for six, and then let out
for eight. Breathe in for four, hold your breath for six,

(59:10):
and let out on eight. You get that pattern going
and you can it would be really helpful, Like you
wouldn't believe what it does for you if you could
just do it a couple of times during the day
and just keep that pattern going. And as you do that, now,
just relax and every time you breathe in. Just feel
that joy, the love and light coming right into your

(59:31):
heart and your body and your mind, and just feel
that joy, and you're free to be and do anything.
Just feel that. And as you breathe out, just feel
that any kind of negative thing that's holding you back,
it's making you feel uncomfortable, you can just feel it
letting out of your body, going into the light stream.

(59:54):
It just dissolves it and it takes it away from you.
And now you feel freer on each breath. And I
want you to think right now and put your mind
on your third eye. And as your third eye, I

(01:00:15):
want you to look up into the sky, high into
the sky, and I want you to see this beautiful
diamond light that's up there, and you're gonna feel it
coming down, coming down towards you. And let it go
right down through the crown shock right at the top

(01:00:37):
of your head, through your body, and down through your
feet into the earth, through the top of the skull,
through the skull, and sending it down into the word,
deep into the earth. You're going down to the heart
of the mother mother Earth. As you connect with the

(01:00:58):
earth with the guy, you feel it's great, great love.
This love is so tremendous and it surrounds you and
just feel the beauty and the depth of it. It
now comes up and goes up up up into the
skull and the father son energy is coming together up

(01:01:22):
through your feet into your heart. And just feel the
energy from the Greater and from the Mother coming together
in your heart and then feel it balancing, balancing and joy.

(01:01:43):
And so now as you in your heart, your heart
is your sacred spot. So you can feel in that
spot that it's all peaceful, joy and love and protection.
This is your space, your private space that you can
go to anytime you want. And now there's a sacred

(01:02:11):
chakra right at your right by your throat chakra right
underneath it, and let's a part of the heart. It's
the sacred heart. And to go up into that with
your mind and you just feel this beautiful warmth and love.
And you're looking around. There's this tree. It's called the

(01:02:32):
Monon tree, but it's like the tree of life, and
this has all the colors of the rainbow, and it's
very joyful and very peaceful, and you're free to go up.
And you see this elevator and now I want you
to go on the elevator. If you choose, and we're

(01:02:54):
going to go up to your highest spiritual self. So
just see the elevator coming, the elevator going up, but
they go up higher, higher, up, higher and higher. You
can hear the sounds of angels singing. Even that's if
you can just listen to the beautiful sounds coming up

(01:03:22):
those the elevator slows and stops. The door opens and
you walk out in this beautiful It looks like a
castle of crystal light and the light shimmers and it's
like golden and you'll see all the different entities, the Masters, Door,

(01:03:47):
Master Joshua, all the different divine beings. They are here
with you, and they're the ones that you work with,
so you find them right away.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Now you want to as that you open up to
this higher consciousness, just go from there. You're going to
float right up out above the earth, and you have
the ability to send this light and love to wherever
you see and needs healing. Any disease, any war, any pain,

(01:04:45):
your family, your friends, or anyone in the world. You're
there to help if you choose, and the light comes
right out of the palms of your hands. So I
was up looking down at the earth. Send that love
and light to the north pole, to the south pole,
to the east and to the west. And this shower

(01:05:07):
the world with this beautiful, beautiful diamond light in the
golden light that's with it too. Mm hmm. Now I
want you to use your imagination love and light and
you can go anywhere. If there's people that a person

(01:05:28):
in your life that needs healing, just send that light
to them. If there's parts of the world where you
feel needs freedom from war, from pain, disease, send the
light to them. You are in control. Go now, send
the love, send the light.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Okay, just feel the love and the thanks and I
think they're getting so much thanksfulness from all the vine
for your great love and work. So coming back into
a circle, bringing into the circle surrounded by this white
light core, this holiness and love and light protection and
now just real shortly, we're just going to go into

(01:07:06):
your each one of you go into your life, and
I want you to put good stuff in your life,
prosperity and peace and joy. Whatever you feel that you want,
this is yours to create. This is your timeline, putting
out a timeline of peace and joy and love. Don't

(01:07:43):
forget the fun. Just feel and love and light in

(01:08:04):
your heart, and you feel lighter and better and freer.
The skull has send you all. He just told me,
don't forget the fun, so get put that in your heart. Okay,
now saying always say thank you with great and appreciation
for all those great ones that have helped us on

(01:08:26):
this today. Thank you, thank you, thank you, and coming back.
I want you to start. I'm going to bring you
back on the count of five. So just let the
energy start to move back into your body. Two, just
let it flow out your fingertips and toes, coming back,
coming back. Three, you're almost back. Just at this point,

(01:08:50):
just hold that love. It's with you. It's your love,
it's your light coming to you from the great. And
there's the fun coming into Four. You're almost back to yourself,
coming back, coming back. Five has been counted. Now, whenever

(01:09:11):
you're ready, bring yourself back, nice, easy and joyfully. Connection
between the other twelve skulls open now thanking all those
great beings in life their gifts and being with us.
Thank you, thank you. Good's loved to all of you.

(01:09:49):
The skull keeps telling me, have fun, have fun.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Yeh oh, yes, indeed. Yeah, well that was experience. Thank
you for a guide through that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Oh my pleasure. It's really light and joyful. You feel
that's great?

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Yeah, yeah, there was. There were definitely a lot of
joyful feelings that came through. So yeah, thank you again.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Yeah, with the always say says you haven't seen nothing yet.
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
We're here for it. We're here for it. Well, well,
before we go, I would like to know or my
audience to know if you could do you do a
lot of events and stuff like that. Do you have
any upcoming events that you're going to be speaking at
or attending that you'd like to to plug?

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Yes, I do. With a lot of the we're doing
more and more or not have to travel as much.
So we're doing we're just making special events. We're gonna
go to Lilydale at the end of June. And that's
a very special place. It's the oldest uh spiritual community
in the country. Was founded by Lady Latski Blatski she

(01:11:17):
was participant there. It's in Upper New York. So that's
in your neck of the woods. Actually, yes, yes, right
near Megara Falls pretty close. Okay, that's that should be fun.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
And and then Contacting the Desert, of course, and and
we do. We're doing quite a few sessions, private sessions
on Zoom and they can go to ww dot Mitchell
hedges dot com. It's w W dot Mitchell with two
l's hedges H E, d G E s dot com
and you can book a session right there on the

(01:11:50):
internet and then I'll email you back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
And so we do that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
We were doing a lot of that, especially this time.
It's it's it's a very this is a very explosive
months here with April.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
So yeah, always big changes, good stuff, good stuff. Yeah,
we are going to be good creators, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Well, this has done really.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Neat, I hope, thanks so much, yeah, hope answer some
questions and we did just have have it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
It was really just a fun time, So thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Yeah, definitely. Well, thank you to both of you so
much for joining me today for the show. And yeah,
we'll we'll have to chat again at some point in
the near future.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Sounds great cost Contact of the Desert because.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Really top people there. Yeah, it's you know, in all
the different fields, so you're getting them all there together.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
So yes, yes, exactly, great, Well, thank you again, and
it's been a pleasure adventure. Yes, I would say, all right,
thanks again to Bill and Catherine for coming on the
show today. I hope you really enjoyed this episode. It

(01:13:17):
was a lot of fun. As I said before, the
crystal skulls. This is a topic something that I've always
found really fascinating and perhaps it is a relic that
can help humanity and has some other worldly powers to it. Now,
as with any extraordinary claims, there are skeptics and believers,

(01:13:41):
divided camps as to whether or not the Mitchell Hedges
skull and similar skulls around the world are the real
deal or not. This really kind of is the same
thing for anything that falls under the fourteen umbrella. But
hopefully today's episode offered some perspective on this particular topic,

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