The Nephilim & Our Alien Architects w/ Dr.'s JJ & Desiree Hurtak

What if everything you thought you knew about human history was wrong? In this mind-expanding episode recorded live at Contact in the Desert 2025, I had the opportunity to sit down with renowned authors and researchers Drs. JJ and Desiree Hurtak to unravel a stunning theory that links ancient giants, the Nephilim of biblical lore, and extraterrestrial intervention in human evolution. We dive deep into forbidden archeology, mysterious megalithic structures, and startling discoveries such as alleged 25-foot-tall skeletons and giant footprints found in rocks in South Africa that may challenge mainstream science. The Hurtaks also reveal shocking insights from the Book of Enoch, and how our ancient DNA may be connected to beings from distant star systems. Is humanity the result of a cosmic experiment? Are we on the brink of awakening to our true origins? Strap in, this one will make you rethink everything.

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Speaker 4 (00:39):
You're listening to the Strangeology Podcast. I'm your host, Jeff Floren,
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contact in the Desert interview that I did with authors

(08:42):
and researchers JJ and Desiree Hertech, which we're going to
be getting into the connection between giants, the Nephelim and aliens.
It's a wild ride. So buckle up, all right, Welcome

(09:08):
to the show. Everyone. We're live here from Contact in
the Desert Podcast in the Desert twenty twenty five. Today
I have some really special guests with me. We've got
doctors JJ and Desire Hertek, who are pioneering researchers, authors
and scientists whose work spans the realms of ancient wisdom,

(09:30):
advanced science, consciousness studies. They've got their book, The Book
of Knowledge, the Keys of Enoch, which I'm really really
excited to hear about today, and it's this is going
to be great. We're gonna get into some profound bridges
into sacred traditions, giants, everything here. So without further ado,

(09:57):
here I'm going to turn the floor over to you guys.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Thank you, honored to be here with you. And besides
the titles that you just mentioned, the social scientists, which
means that we've got background in linguistics, archaeology, paraphysics, and
what is also known as remote sensing technology that is
the ability to use radar as well as lasers and

(10:24):
looking underneath the Earth at distant planets through remote viewing
technology and mental abilities so we bring together forty plus
years of research.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
But we're here at Contact in the desert, and our talk,
which is going to be tomorrow morning, is about giants
and how they relate to extraterrestrials because you know, people
talk about spaceships flying around, but what happened in the past,
I mean, did they ever come here, like thousands and
thousands of years ago? The Keys of Me documentioned talk

(10:59):
about the root races. I mean, we all know we
had dinosaurs on the planet. Where did they come from? Well,
our cosmology totally turns things upside down. It says many
of these beings came from we'll say outer space. In fact,
if you look at extraterrestrials contact today, and we'll talk
about some of that.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Some of them, of course, are grays, they're popular, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Else They reptilians. Okay, maybe they're an offshoot of the dinosaurs.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
But also some of them look like us, So that
means we probably didn't evolve exclusively here.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
And that's our cosmology. That's the cosmology of the Keys.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Of the Enough we know that you're working titled Jeff
is Weirdness Strangeology strangeology. But if you have higher knowledge discovery,
it turns into futurism because your demonthologized myths. You begin
to find that there are giants of the mind and
the are giants of the human anatomy. And so our
work has taken us around the world world. We have

(12:00):
the privileged to be an echept back in the nineteen nineties,
where the use of information through ground penetrating radar and
musical acoustical vibrations, we were able to find what is
called the Tomb of the Cyrus in nineteen ninety seven,
two years before the Egyptians iihaw vested on box television.

(12:20):
Because we were Americans, we were basically unknown. We were
sort of pushed out of the pitch it. But now
the new generation of Egyptologists is recognizing we found this tomb,
and we also found artifacts that depict giant figures that
were once there in ancient Egyptian times.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
So there's the Colossize and things like that all over
the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
And were they really just made that way because they
wanted to be bigger than us when they constructed it,
or were these beings really in existence? So we turned
to the Bible. I think it'd like to start their
Genesis six. It talked about the nepheline and some of
the other beings, and it says that these kind of
beings had relations with the daughters. I like to be

(13:04):
the one talking about this.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Amen. Now if you take that in literal sense.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And looking at abductions that have come out of extraterrestrial experiences,
and then go back not to the Keys of Enoch,
which is the Doctor Who text contemporary book that actually
I did some of the illustrations and things in that,
but to the ancient Book of Enoch, which is alluded
to in some text but also is well known in

(13:31):
terms of you can find it online.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
The Trills edition is what we really like. And you
go also to what they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
They the Book of Enoch gives the explanation for the
fact that the giants being here and how they got
wiped out.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Keep in mind that the Bible in Western European civilization
was pretty much but the lead source of historic information.
Most people consider it through mythology, but there are strains
of information that will discussed, and the Bible has in
the Testament Book of Jude a reference to the ancient

(14:10):
Book of Enoch, and I'm going to read this. Read
a section from chapter seven of the Ancient Book of Egypt.
Enoch and all the others together with them took this
is not the Nepoleine. The allen angels angels onto themselves wives,
and each chose for himself one, and they began to
go in into them, and they found themselves with them. Namely,

(14:34):
they had sex, and they taught them charms and enchantments
and the cutting their broots, and made them acquainted with plants,
namely with the ability of genetic manipulation of plants. It
became pregnant. They made the humans and they there are
great giants whose height was three thousand ls b between

(14:58):
three feet.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Well, actually, when you really get down it could have
been even as big as mountains, because people can't really
define l so well. But basically what we found from
going out around the world working with our associate Klaus Dona,
especially in Ecuador, has been the bones of the giant
that is.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Twenty five feet high if you can see that Ecuador
in Ecuador.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
So before we get to the point, in my experience
with Enoch, which was an angelic you would call her
physical entity that appeared to be. In nineteen seventy three,
I was shown a map of the world and where
ancient civilizations existed and where things would be found, and
I was shown specifically on a map that was shown
me mentally that in East Africa there would be the

(15:43):
finding of a huge footprint. And as it turned out
in the nineteen eighties, I was in South Africa Lextury
and I was able to find this footprint, which then
I the pictures of I gave to Klaus Dona and
urious anthropologists archaeologists who later met in Vienna in the

(16:03):
year two thousand at a forbidden archaeology conference. I didn't
know at that time that that picture was of the
footprint which is very massive, was taken and juxtaposed next
to the bones the giant that.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Were reconstructed from them, reconstructed.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
From bones and Ecuador on the other.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Side of the world, twenty five feet tall.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So if the keys of Eanoch, theres a map that
shows specifically where twelve ancient civilizations existed. And finding this map,
and I've shown this with scholars throughout the world, there
has been a validation of not only the finding of
ancient historical places, but also the areas where ancient civilizations

(16:52):
momentarily gave birth to human experiments.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
So this footprint that doctor Jack's talking about is from
an area in South Africa called Mapoogalonga. And actually, if
you go up in this map that many of you
probably could not see, the Gray Pyramid itself is on
a line that's thirty one degrees nine minutes east. And

(17:17):
if you go down all the way right from the
top of Africa to almost the bottom of Africa, which
is a long.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Waist, you will discover, as I did, this footprint over
a meter and a half long.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's at thirty degrees east, which is only sixty miles
separate from where the Gray Pyramid would be from that
long distance, so it's amazing. And of course you have
things like Adam's cows.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
First examined my college at the University of South Africa.
This picture was taken here.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
You see my body, Yeah, that's it's almost as tall
as you are.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's giganticy, needless to say, the archaeologist and anthropologist were
a maze. And then you see duxtaposed next to this
large scalptical form that's over twenty five feet high.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
And that's how big that being would have to be.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I did not know this, but this was on exhibit
at Vandanikin's museum in inter Lack in Switzerland, which is
where this is in twenty years. I was not aware
that I was the only human being that was pictured.
Is the really in the scalptural form it was re
engineered and the gigantic footprint that was done in South Africa.
So what I'm saying here is the being that appeared

(18:33):
to me her physically in nineteen seventy three gave me
an accurate reading and where I was to go take
a picture, how this story was going to enfold, and
that shit I deal giants quote unquote of the past.
So one time the conditions of Mother Earth were such
perhaps because the atmosphere was thinner the plants grew larger,

(18:56):
animals who historic animals grew larger and humans.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Or maybe they had some other root race connections. So, Jeff,
what do you think about all this?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:07):
You know, I mean on my show, I've looked into
the idea of ancient giants and nephelim before, and it
seems like something was going on. And you just mentioned
in the ancient past, you know, we had megafauna in
all of this, and you know they all died out
around twelve thirteen thousand years ago, and we have all

(19:31):
these legends in different cultures all across the planet of
these giant humanoid beings that would you know, eat us,
attack us, and see it seems like humans banded together
at some point to maybe take control of the situation.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, actually, what it says, and that's why we want
to go back to the ancient Book of Enoch and
a get it. You can find it on the internet.
It says, you know, they saw all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's almost like what we were doing right now to
the planet of how you know, it's so destructive. He
put too many elephants in one place, they'll just you know,
eat everything that there is. And that's what seemed to
be happening with all these giants. And so chapter nine
of the Book of Enox says and then Michael Urie
o'rafie and Gabriel, which are our angels you know that
we all know about, looked down from heaven and saw

(20:20):
much blood being shut on the earth and the lawlessness
being broad upon the earth, so that they complained. And
actually what this says, which is not in the Bible,
but what the Book of Enox says is that's why
the flood occurred. What about the hys So first of all,
they also said one other thing, and that's the name Samyaza.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Who was one of the fallen angels. And if you.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Remember the Billy Myer case, and we don't want to say,
you know too many bad things about it, I do
think things. Really you know, he saw something, Yeah, but
that it says and Samyaza, to whom thou has cast
authority to bear rule over his associates. That was one
of the negative beings that was so controlling. Some of
these we'll say abductions or you know abduction were always thinking,

(21:05):
you know, you came down and you took beings up there.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
So even though ancient literature uses the word angel and
the Greek it means really emissary, being from another dimension.
We could also think of these beings as programmers or
cosmic scientists. They were carrying out experiments with Lee would
call the earth habitat to see whether or not different
levels of intelligence could create it. So in this map

(21:30):
that I was talking about, the Desri just alluded to.
There's also a line that is from the longitudinal north
that goes also through Indonesia in the area of the
island of Floris. And this is interesting because although this

(21:52):
is on the other side of the planets, specifically this
demarcation of one twenty one degrees twenty seventh minutes east
was the area, specifically on the island of Floris, that
was the site of the finding of what were called
the Hobbits Australia, Indonesian and European anthropologists. So we were

(22:21):
able to be part of this expedition in the assembly
of this information and this map and the Keys oft
Enoch shows thus the miniature Hobbits on one side and
the giants on the other. No other book in the
world has this. This book also speaks of the year
two thousand and four significant where scientific validation of the

(22:44):
presence of export dress Jilds two thousand and four came
and went, and then in the year twenty seventeen repentant
only the information that in the year two thousand and
four off San Diego, the Nemesis and the Mexican government
released information two thousand and four the off you Good
John Peninsulaly hundred say spaceships. So the Keys of Enoch,

(23:08):
which I authored as a result of inspiration from this
being of light, is accurate. All sixty four keys, of
which something like sixty three the date have been validated.
What's the sixty fourth I believe is becoming of cosmic
intelligence at the time the mystery, the weirdness, what I

(23:31):
will call the ignorance of the past, will be removed
and we will suddenly realize, Yes, we're surrounded by a
variety of cosmic lifeforms from small to huge. And this
would tie into what Major Paul Smith has presented at
this conference, stinging with these huge vehicles that have come
out of the ocean twice the size of aircraft carriers.

(23:52):
Well for the beings on these are giant like individuals.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well, of course, yeah, there's a wide variety of life forms,
and I think that's what this whole conference of contact
in the Desert is all about, because basically we're not
just the only ones, and the weird guys looking guys
aren't the only ones. There's different races that have been
here in the past or are here now.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I'd like to go on just a little bit more though,
with Chapter ten of the Ancient Book of Enoch, and
it says, you know, when they complained about what was
going on on the Earth, then it says that God
said it said Uriel, and said go to Noah and
tell them to hide themselves because the whole earth is
going to be destroyed. So what does that really mean.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
It actually means that they were going to go back
to the original genetic code and get rid of what
had happened on this planet.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
So this is an interesting thing.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
We actually feel that our genetic code, and this is
something Linda moulten House started to talk about too, sure
that we have a higher consciousness because of who we are,
and we've been protected for the last even now six
ten thousand years since the last flood from this happening again.
I mean, yes, there happen abductions, but it's not like
they're coming here and having relations.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
They're actually taking a few people up with them.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
And we had another friend of ours whose name was
Virgil Armstrong, and he used to lecture at a lot
of these conferences. He wrote a book, They need us,
we Don't need them. I think it's an interesting connection. Now,
we don't think that every extraterrestrial is negative, because some
of them are really helping us.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
They're protecting us, they're watching us.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
They're trying to be tell us to be anti nuclear,
which we all should be, you know, and get rid
of the nuclear weapons and even the nuclear power play.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Virtial illustrates in his book what I did in one
of my other books entitled Extraterrestrial Retrievals, will actually show
pictures that I received from the Russian scientists that I
knew of space beings that had crashed into their country. Okay,
see here. Yeah, so we have tangible evidence of the

(25:59):
hobbits or the dwarf type by forms as well as
the giants. No big thing. We just have to change
our biology of genetics and the Keys of Enoch is
a textbook for the future. We are told, for example,
a key two O four, and here we see a
picture of the giants and the small people side by side.

(26:21):
The keys to the suns of lights is given in
the transmissions of living energy codes to the people of God.
They are sent from living universe to living universe to
reveal the codes of light capital L meaning superlumina light.
Do the orders of evolving specie within cellular time, so
that the code of nutlic membranes, that is that which
the building block of life within us be attached with

(26:44):
a larger membrane or the form of universes.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Now, why are we unique in the universe.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Again, we're not unique, because you can find some of
us on the plates and serious even connected with Orion.
But if you go back, and we go back really
to the Bible, to this fact that we at first
did not have garments of skin, so we have a
higher soul reality, and then we took on this reality
to be here. And that's why in a certain sense

(27:11):
we're kind of innocent to understand the cosmology that's around us.
And so this planet in the past, according to the
ancient Book of Enoch, which we also feel is valid.
Really we've got defiled in that sense. And as a woman,
I can say that. And so it's important to go
back to our original genetic code, which also exists in

(27:33):
the universe. And I think that's why in a certain
sense that they're abducting certain people not only just to
check them out to you know, medical experiments and things
like that. And we just were listening to Alexis Brooks
here and she was talking about Betty and Barney Hill,
but in actuality, in addition to that they want some
of what we have, and even if they're just cloning themselves.

(27:55):
There's something called genetic fatigue. We see it in plants,
we see in certain things things even on this planet.
And I think ultimately that uh, these aliens, some of
which are having genetic fatigue. I don't know if you've
ever followed uh Dan Bursch, who supposedly was an area
to microbiologist. Actually he's fabulous, but the being he saw

(28:20):
actually wanted our help, and he was he was a biologist, microbiologist,
and that's why he had worked with us.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Being the being had touropathy. He could hardly move, you know,
he could fly in a flying saucer and come here.
He wasn't in good shape. So they wanted what we had,
like the enzymes.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
And now even Willie Strieber and Linda are talking with
Linda Moldenhau are talking about cattle mutilation or not just
you know.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Just one thing to speculate and because oh, that's just
your idea, that's just your science fiction. No, we are
serious scientists with Jewish credentials. We've gone out to do
the fault fuel work, make the findings. Yeah, to do
the photography to talk to the think tanks. Of course,
most of this has been top secret beyond so we're
sharing with you which we've been permitted to because this

(29:10):
is from other countries. Another perspective that we're living in
a much larger genetic gene pool of evolution than we think,
and we as human beings have to grow up and
realize what the indigenous know. The Native Americans, who are
also in their Kachina dolls in their artifacts and art

(29:32):
forums depict the small people and the joint people. We're
sort of in Bedeen.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well, let me also say on behalf of aliens and extraterrestrials,
we feel that they're just like us. Some are very enlightened,
some are very helpful, Some are really trying to protect us,
and then some are not.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Some are trying to use us in a certain sense.
So we have to start growing in our cosmology before
we reach out and have first contact to understand who
we are. Jeff, how do you feel about some of them?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah, well, you know I'm wondering. You know, you mentioned
the higher self right that we come into this this reality.
Do some of these other beings operate in this you know,
interdimensional field? Or higher reality is that where they're coming from.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, we do feel a lot of extraterrestrials are really
functioning in the fifth dimension, and they're often come into
the third and that's why they can take people out
of their bedrooms through walls, because they're taking them through
these other dimensional doorways that they dimensions.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
We're here with the laws of physics defined that we
cannot go beyond the speed of light, we can go
each other dimensional. You speak about the fifth to sixth
dimensions like we're doing that. We're talking about higher consciousness,
physics and higher information sources to which we could quickly
assimilate knowledge and so we see enter into another dimension

(30:52):
or timeline. The Keys of Eanoch explain this in key
two two as a genetic dot code or divine code
do which under certain conditions our body can expand through
scalar physics, which we can be projected into much larger
forms or dominate into smaller forms.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Well, remember if you go back to the Bible, and
I know a lot of people just cast it out,
but basically it has a lot of information in Genesis
and it said that we were caretakers of the trees
of life creation, we weren't supposed to eat of this
particular tree of duality, and we decided to, so we
came here and we ended up in bodies of skin.
So we do have a higher relationship, we think, with

(31:34):
our higher self. We've written a book called over Self Awakening,
which and all of these books are preferably available on
our website called Keysofenoch dot org.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
We don't recommend going to Amazon. We don't sell actually
the Keys of on Amazon. But bottom line on all this,
some beings, especially those that are with us and those
that are more enlightened, have that higher divine dimension because
we feel that we can go not only from this
local universe and this is just one of many. This

(32:05):
is what the Keys of EU and I talk about,
but into other higher realities because we have that higher consciousness.
A lot of the extraterrestrials are localized, and they also,
as Linda Molnhouse starting to talk about, they want our soul,
they want our capacity that they don't have. Even some
other government people have talked about how the aliens are

(32:27):
here asking us for help to understand the nature of
the universe, I mean, why us we're stuck on a planet.
Maybe they know but we have that higher consciousness, and
that's why part of our work is on a remote
viewing to be able to so.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
We bring together forbidden archaeology and forbidden cosmology, so the
small to the large, the human terrestrial to the extraterrestrial,
even to the extra celestial. Fact that we're going beyond
the boundaries of historic planetary science. So this is an
exciting time to be alive. I would simply say for

(33:03):
those who do not have the keys, this may seem
like it's all Greek or Chinese, but you understand when
you get the Keys of Enoch that there are functional diagrams.
And we have but though of film documentaries on our
website to go with what we're saying.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
And I also just want to put a plug in
for a book that is going to be talked about
here at the conference, and that's Extraterrestrial Species Almanac. Doctor
Jax mentioned in terms of Octurus, and we're in a
film that was recently made by this This is originally
from Mupon So they took all their cases and they
ended up giving it to our associate Craig Kompabasso and

(33:40):
put it together.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
In this book, it's mostly black and white pictures.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
But what's really interesting is that there's over eighty extraterrestrial species.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yes, yes, I have a copy back home, and it's
great to read through. There's so much information in there
about all of these different species, and certainly, as you mentioned,
a lot of them seem to be benevolent and they
come around and try to help us evolve up to
the next level.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
So the fear has to be understood as a historic metaphor.
We're being given new knowledge, a quantum change is taking place.
I believe we're going to go from humankind to space time,
that we're going to wake up, smell the coffee and
realize we have an opportunity with our cosmic counterparts to
see we're part of a divine family. Yeah, and thus

(34:31):
the religious metaphors and scientific nuances will come together. We'll
have a type of divine science or spiritual sciences. It
was taught in ancient India and Egypt. Sure. Yeah. And
what is important here though, for everyone to know, is
we have the documentation and genetics, documentation and the use
of music and physical.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Acoustics, documentation and archaeology.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Actually, doctor Jack and who experience was shown that sixty
four areas science would take a quantumly. He had this
experience in the seventies and many of these things are
manifesting right now. So we know as older people, you know,
used to think, well, we were just around for six
thousand years, something happened and we you know, manifested.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Now we know we go back probably fifty thousand, if
not two hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, for almost sapiensapiens that is a human that can
think and create through language conceptual tools. So this is
really what we want to explain to people that there
is a functional blueprint called the Keys of Enoch, coming
from the same source of the historic Enoch, through a

(35:39):
higher cosmic intelligence that is telling us we have a
divine birthright, that we are destined to leave this planet
and move into the greater cosmos, that evolution doesn't stop
with our planet. Our concept of death, the finality is
to be understood in terms of only one phase of
the evolution process, which is an infinite process that goes

(36:03):
into different life systems, different levels, different dimensions.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Well, what I like to say for young people is
we're all here now because this is going to be
the time of first contact. It's an amazing thing and
I think that's why there's eight billion people coming to
this planet to get this awakening and get this understanding,
get this transformation.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
So we're all here to help evolve it.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, so you think the timeline of disclosure first contact
is really coming very soon.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
We were there in nineteen seventy seven at the first
World Congress on UFOs to Mexico and Upper FOCOVID doctor
jel and Heinech and the best experts, and that was
one of the invited speakers, and at that time was
speculated that there might be fifty years or so. And
so we are coming into the anniversary of knowing that

(36:54):
the disclosure windows being open in Washington. Whether it goes
into a full awareness of how many different levels of
cosmic intelligence there are remains to be seen. But the
idea is we have to change our consciousness and realize
we are fundamental spiritual beings in human form. We are
of a higher mind connected with the universal intelligence, and

(37:17):
we are but one expression the universal intelligence. And when
we begin to assimilate what big cality keys of nuch
the christ like or the Buddha like qualities of higher consciousness,
we begin to grow up as cosmic citizens. We overcome
the momentary fears and tribulations of two dimensional and three

(37:38):
dimensional thoughtforms that the big black bear has been to
bought off our head or we're going to be locked
into a closet of darkness forever. We begin to realize
that there is a life potential that we have as released,
that's assimilated, that's used. This is what is the definition.
After master teachers of the universe, the keys of Enoch
are bowing and they tell us that God's plan has

(38:01):
the way added his life in the house of any mentioned.
So that's what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, basically going back to the many extraterrestrial species, the
good guys that you were talking about, Jeff, actually say
we're not prepared.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
We're not. They don't want us with our war tories
going up into space. I mean mostly a lot of
our history has been war in destruction.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
So we got to evolve out of that. We've got
to shift, We've got to change. That's number one.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
And the other guys actually are happy to keep us
here so that we don't discover our higher nature.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
They don't we don't discover who we truly are. In fact,
the our Gina case, which is a famous case down
in Brazil. Actually, one of the aliens who this doctor
was trying to save sent a message to the doctor saying,
it's very sad you don't know who you really are.
So that's what we're starting to discover. But we've got
to make some changes on this planet first, or if

(38:52):
they're coming anyway at a certain time.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Right, yeah, yeah, Now why would does you know, like
the more maybe not in the level, but the less
benevolent species, you know, why why would they not want
us to you know, are they?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Are they?

Speaker 4 (39:07):
What are they trying to take from us?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Well, that's the whole thing. I mean, we're looking at.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Recently, Whitley Steber was doing some things with the understanding
of cattle mutilation with Linda mull and how and there's
a copper in our system and in the cow system
that perhaps can be used for these alien intelligences, so
it helps them. But I think overall, what this is
really saying about, going back to the ancient Book of Enoch,

(39:32):
is that we have been protected somewhat, not one hundred percent,
because you know, people are abducted and things like that,
but we have had some level of protection to allow
us to evolve to allow us to grow and we
can reach to higher levels of intelligence, but some of
the negative it's still positive.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Pop So the.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Governments, yeah to the United States, was I believe correct
and withholding information early on, because when you have human
subjects a subject to strange experiments where their precious body
fluids are being taken and they interchange with other genetic possibilities,
this gives rise to hybridization that might be out of

(40:14):
the right.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
And we always thought, you know, back and you probably
remember the early days, they said, well, you know it's
going to be for the survival of our species, right,
that's why they're hybridizing us.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Inky, something happens to us, you know, we get to
go on. Well, now that's starting to be shifted around.
We're helping them to go on. So it's a whole
different reality. And of course, you know there's multiple possibilities.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
If you've got eighty plus extraterrestrial races, there's many agendas.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
And this is also why disclosure is not happening.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
That's a good side to all of us. And this
is in another book that we wrote called the Scrolls
of Adam and E, which is an ancient scroll that
goes back almost two thousand years the Adam and the
East story that's expanded through what is called the Merkaba,
the vehicle of visitation, And in this I go through

(41:04):
the different stages of awareness. With the Adam and Evestoria
illustrates a rebellion in the heabits that the cosmic foruses
did not like the fact that the human rights was created,
and therefore they conspired to block us according to this
ancient text. But we are a continuation of the atom
and ease story in interspecies communication. For example, Adam was

(41:26):
told that he and Eves under part could name the animals. Well,
that's a clue to genetic language species categorization. So we
have retranslated the whole Bible from the standpoint of higher genetics,
higher physics, higher cosmology. And then you google at the

(41:47):
original language and Hebrew Aramaic, you realize it's a fantastic
teaching of the Tree of life, the tree representing the
many cosmic civilizations. One is being nurtured by our spiritual
duty moments that we're essentially, as I said before, spiritual
or universal beings of consciousness and human form.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
But we do exist in duality. We chose it and
so every moment is a moment of choice. So it's
all up to us to choose, you know, peacefulness, choose love.
She's higher wisdom rather than selfishness and all the other.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
So this is the time act to trust and retreatals.
We're finally we're being shocked by the specimens being found
in Africa, in China and South America at the same
time as the age of Stephen Spoelberg, it's the age
of cosmic synthesis. We're coming into areness that no, we're
not going to be doomed to oblivion. We're being awakened

(42:40):
by our cosmic counterparts. They're teaching us to give me this.
Why would we have all this knowledge? Why would Desiree
and I have the ability to go under the ocean
off the Azores and find artifacts. Why would we have
the ability to go under Egypt with radar and find
the tumbor of with star wars. Why would we have
the opportunity to work with leading anthropologistsogists unless we were

(43:01):
to break out of the false mythology of weirdness, or
we would call mythical interpretation into the real story.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
So this is a get up and go signal. That
you represent your program. Yeah, we have to all join hands,
joint spirits and realize we have a cosmic destiny space.
We are the continuation of the Adam and Eve story.
I'll see that again. We are the continuation of the
Adam and Eve's story. We are damics, we are multi dimensional,

(43:31):
we're multiphysical in our knowledge, and we're cosmic family. And
that's whether we're male or female or ademic species and
we exist in the universe.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Yeah, well, I mean we've got all this, you know,
information coming out congressional hearings, and you know, even with
the recent findings happening under the pyramids now with.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
The whole thing a few monks doing and also what
it's called SARS and the applet to radar. I published
a couple of papers on this back in the nineteen eighties,
and we have a.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Book called Giza's Industrial Complex. But we've gone down one
hundred feet that's where the tim of those IRUs was. Yeah,
two thousand might be a stretch, so we'll see the
proof behind that. But there's definitely more under the ground
of Egypt.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
Than the seventeen kilometers underground tunnels, gigantic rooms. Yeah, water hydraulics,
ancient texts in stone. This is just the beginning of
a whole in Egyptology, right, everything is being de mythologized,
and that is why the Egyptian government has just open
a new museum, the greatest in the world, has two

(44:38):
stories large in France that shows the documentation that the
ancients had skills of, for example, putting gold leaf on
precious stones.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
We don't know how to do this now.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Our argument is that they actually had water and then
not only did they use it which people are coming
out with now to build the pyramids, but actually they
used it to create energy.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Because I think of water hydrologs and building the pyramids elevation, yeah,
by side, level by level and perfect balance.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
But basically, you know, if you have water, you have sunlight,
you have metals which anos and cathos, which doesn't take
a lot a high school student can do it.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
You can produce hydrogen gas, which we all should be
using today. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
You know, I've always thought there was something behind the
power plant theory for that, and it's like, well, who
built all that stuff down there? And you know, of
course you mentioned our species has been around for up
to two years. We have the same brain capacity, you know,
and if we have these other species of beings coming around,

(45:43):
you know, maybe they they offered a lending hand or
gave us some knowledge.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
We also don't think we've evolved on this planet.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Actually, if you find us in serious, you find us
in Octura, you find us in the a Pliades, which
doctor Tech talks about in our.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Book, which I recommend. It's on the internet, is called
Dizas Industrial.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Complex that's available based on.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
How the Egyptians could make massive earth batteries. They could
build structure under the ground and they have capitals and
anos and actually use a conversion of salt water and
natural clear water to create that will call it energy
production using cotton as a filter. Of course Egypt was cotton,

(46:27):
yeah in ancient times. So we have found evidence that
micro and macrobio batteries that the Egyptians use for their
power sources, their light sources. You can make these passageways one.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Hundred feet down without the ground without it.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Well, of course they had lights, but they came lights
from a different.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
On the ceilings, you know, right, yeah, yeah, that's always
been a crazy thing to think.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
As much larger with the New Testament tells us in
the words of Christ, our father's or my father's house
is a house of many mansions, which means different cosmic levels,
cosmic intelligence, interacting with the story of Exodus out of Egypt,
which is the metaphor for I believe the ancient civilizations
of other Earth going into the evens, the story of

(47:10):
the Exodus, the story of self realization, unity and spiritual
and scientific for each Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Well, this has been a very eye opening, fascinating and
fantastic conversation with you too today. Before we wrap up,
do you mind letting listeners know the best place to
find all your work online, your website.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
All of that, right, so we encourage you to go
to Keys of Enoch dot org. It's in several languages.
We actually have many languages. We also have things on
TikTok under the hert tax and also Instagram under I
Believe Keys of Enoch. So we're out there on YouTube
as well and most of the social media platforms.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Also, Gaia is Out of Colorado.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Guy on TV, and we have an episode our so
on Netflix connected with Top Secret UFO Reports.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
We cover all bases and we look forward to work
with you in the future. Jeff as all of our
listeners of this program, realizing we are citizens of the future,
we just waking up. So leave behind your fears and
allow your mind and heart to open up to the

(48:32):
divine love source, the divine you will call it, source,
giving us the courage, giving us the vibration the residents
that we need to connect art mind passion by.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
So yeah, thank you, wonderful, Thank you guys so much.
All right, thanks again to JJ and Desiree for coming
onto the show, and to the folks at Contact and

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giants and all of that. But there's so much out
there in this world that's still such a mystery, especially

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