The Secrets of the Majestic-12 with Ryan Wood

On this edition of the Strangeology Podcast, I sat down with Ryan Wood — the leading expert on the infamous Majestic 12 documents — to uncover the truth behind decades of secret UFO crash retrievals and government cover-ups. We dive deep into leaked intelligence, alien technology, and the origins of MJ-12, the covert group allegedly tasked with managing and keeping secret, the extraterrestrial presence on Earth. From Roswell to black budget programs, Ryan breaks down what the documents reveal, what’s still being hidden, and why disclosure matters now more than ever.

Show Notes:

Ryan Woods website: https://www.majiceyesonly.com/about-ryan-s-wood/
The MJ-12 Documents: https://majesticdocuments.com/about/investigation-team/ryan-s-wood/

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and without further ado, let's get into today's episode. So

(01:44):
the guest for today's edition of the show is author
and UFO researcher Ryan Wood. Ryan became interested in the
subject of UFOs when his father, doctor Robert Wood, was
managing an anti gravity research project for McDonald douglas in
the late nineteen sixties and trying to figure out the
physics of how UFOs operate. Ryan is the leading expert

(02:08):
on the infamous Majestic twelve documents and manages the website
majesticdocuments dot com, which is a database containing them. Beyond that,
Ryan was an executive producer for the Sci Fi Channel
documentary The Secret, which was all about UFO crashes and
the secret military retrieval programs that we've heard so much

(02:29):
about recently and I'm sure we'll get into today. Ryan's
latest effort is working to create a massive database of
relevant and high quality UFO intelligence over on UFO Decks.
So thank you for coming on to the show today. Ryan,
glad to have you on. We've got a lot of
ground to cover, but let's start with the beginning. What

(02:50):
got you into the world of UFO research and then
embarking on this extensive project that culminated in your book
Magic Guy's one.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, that's a great, great question. So I'll credit my
father or blame my father. You know, I was, you know,
sixteen years old when Stanton Freeman, a famous ufologists who
was working for my father at Douglas Aircraft Company, came
home to dinner and then topic conversation was about you know,

(03:21):
gravity control and UFOs and they were even doing interviewees
of abductions and regression hypnosis. Not that they had any
alien parts from the government to do physics analysis of,
but this was more along the lines of, well, what's
the theory is it beyond general relativity? I mean, how

(03:45):
does magnetic fields play? I mean what what is the
theoretical approach? And then what is the experimental approach of
how do you do try to try to change the
speed of light with high magnetic fields and you know,
instrument vans and run around and try to gather data
of UFO events and so forth. So that was my

(04:08):
initial exposure, and you know, like any teenager, I started
us my dad does you know, sort of ignore that
for a while, and I went off to a typical
corporate career and got degrees from gal poly Silos PISPO
in math and computer science and worked it Intel and
Digital Equipment and Silicon Valley startups and stuff for And

(04:30):
it really wasn't until I mean I paid attention a
little bit and went to a few new fun conferences.
Wasn't until the early nineties when the Special Operations Manual
Extraterrestrial Entities Technology Recovery Disposal along mouthful leaked and I
started working with my father on replicating it. And then

(04:52):
a lot of the other majestic documents happened through the
nineties from multiple sources, and then you know, some frustration
in going to muphon mutual ufone network conferences and having
them not talk about the things I wanted to talk about,

(05:14):
which was, you know, crash retrievals, alien bodies, parts, hard evidence.
It was too wishy washy. So I decided to start
my own conference, the UFO Crash Retrieval Conference in Las Vegas,
which ran for seven years from two thousand and three
to two thousand and nine. And during that time, one

(05:39):
of the patrons asked me, you know, aren't you going
to run out of UFO crashes next month, next year,
you know? And so in two thousand and five, I
wrote the first edition of Magic m a Jiic and
Magic Guys Only Earth's Encounters with Extraterrestrial Technology, which is
all about UFO crash retrieval some seventy four cases, and

(06:02):
then updated it in twenty twenty four early January twenty
four to one hundred and four cases from around the world.
So that's that's sort of the trajectory of how I
started and where I sort of ended up today. There's
a lot more to say in between, but you know,
that's the start.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean that's there's so much
out there too with ufology. You know, it's an ever
deepening rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Now.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Now, so you're you're kind of like the Majestic twelve
Documents guy for my listeners out there who may not
be familiar with what the MJ twelve documents are. Can
you give like a brief overview of just what exactly
they are, what they say and all that.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a great question, Jeff, and important to provide.
So the MJ twelve documents span from the first leak
in nineteen eighty four to basically two thousand, so some
you know, you know, sixteen years or more and from

(07:14):
seven different sources of material. Some of it in undeveloped film,
some of it in original documents with you know, typewriter
or onion skin, original paper, ink stuff, some photocopies and
mailed to these different sources. So there's a broad swath

(07:37):
of some thirty five hundred pages in varying quality and sophistication.
Some of it top secret code words, some of it
top secrets, some of its secrets, some of it confidential.
Some of it like from a filing drawer. And you know,
newspaper articles or pictures and things like that. They're interesting,

(07:58):
but they aren't stamped or class And the Majesticdocuments dot
com website has you know, the vast majority of all
the data, not all of it, but vast majority of
it there and people can read what it says. But
you know what it says is it shows deep complicity

(08:20):
in the Roswell crash retrieval. It shows a clear recovery
program and the special Operations manual case of how do
you pick up the bodies, where to pack them, where
to send them, how to create cover stories. It's it's
clear that there's a giant effort to manage and control

(08:43):
events like that. And so that's and implied complicities with
the CIA, the NRO, the National Security Agency, the White House,
different White Houses at different times, and a whole bunch
of people, maybe one hundred different names of people that

(09:07):
are linked to Majestic twelve.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Interesting interesting now was the twelve. It was originally like
a group of twelve people operating secretly within the government
or beyond the government, because I mean, this stuff was
so secret for so long, no one even in the
government seemed to really know about it.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Right, So the evolution, I mean, there were some crashes,
I mean David Grush and congressional testimony said the thirty
three crash happened in Italy, the Magenta, and then in
Cape Girardo in nineteen forty one we had another crash,
and then maybe I've been one or two more crashes

(09:51):
in forty six as well. And all of this came
under the purview of doctor Vanovar Bush at the Office
of Scientific Research and develop an OSRD, all you know,
served during the time of the war in Roosevelt and
Bush wanted money to do development, and Roosevelt said, no,

(10:13):
shut up, go win the war. And when we're done,
We'll give you money and you go. But the real
kicker was the Roswell crash or crash is there's definitely
two locations, potentially three, and General Nathan Twining is signed

(10:37):
to manage this all from July forty seven early to
September of forty seven, where the White Hot Report was
presented to Harry Truman and recommended the approval and the
establishment of the top secret research and development intelligence gathering

(11:00):
organization known as Majestic twelve on September twenty fourth, nineteen
forty seven, So that's sort of when the official tom happened.
And of course the CIA was spun off and the
National Security Agency was spun off, and the Army and
the Air Force were split. And so this time, maybe
precipitated by the Roswell event, forced this separation and thinking

(11:28):
about how to reorganize the intelligence community of the government.
So that's sort of the start. I mean, the first
leak document in nineteen eighty four from Jamie Chandery that
was later published in eighty seven. He sat on it
for several years, outlined twelve individuals and named them all

(11:56):
and there were Army, Air Force intelligence community sort of
to to to to approach. So that's how the twelve started.
I mean, is it still called Majestic twelve today now?
I think it's called Zodiac or something else. Is there
twelve members? Probably at the highest level, But there's all

(12:18):
these compartments that get spun out for various efforts, be
it biology, be it hardware, be it materials or communications.
I mean, you can you can parse it a lot
of different ways, but you know, there's lots of compartments.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, you certainly hear about the compartmentalization a lot where
you know, you only know one thing, but it's part
obviously part of the larger picture, and it's I don't know,
maybe it's it's done like that just to help keep
the secret stronger. Now, of course, it's like there's always

(12:58):
skeptics and debunkers out there in ufology, and you know,
the Majestic twelve documents seem pretty legit to me. But
you know, what would you say to two people out
there who who think that this is, you know, just

(13:18):
something made up? How how do we vet their authenticity?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, that's a great question. So the authenticity, you know,
there's lots of ways of a dressing the authenticity it's
sort of every document stands on its own for you know,
how authentic it is or what the probabilities are. So
the typical FBI thing is, well, where'd you get it?

(13:44):
Who gave it to you? You know, can you go
find the source? And is the source legitimate? So here's
the case. How about being mailed from the Freedom of
Information Act Office at Fort Meade, Maryland for the Encyclopedia
Flying Saucers. You know, a three hundred page document which

(14:05):
is which is in this book? It's on Amazon, the
Encyclopedia Flying Saucers original onion skin. It's stamped right the top,
you know, the highest classification this document is top secret
magic no foreign dissemination for usis only exempt from declassification,
special handling required, not releasable to foreign nationals. And the

(14:28):
whole chapter on the Air Force is stamped top secret magic.
You know, it doesn't get much cleaner than that. And
now there's all sorts of forensic that you can do next,
like well, there's a pen writing marks from Vanovar Bush
and there's pencil marks. There's three or four different people

(14:49):
that have written in this documents, presumably in the mid
sixties or so, the book is actually a tremendous sort
of history of crashes pre nineteen sixty and backwards in time.

(15:10):
Any So you talk to Vernon Bowen's son and he
has the original typewriter, and so you can you can
do a lot of forensics around that. So that's one extreme.
The other extreme would be, you know, it's just a
photocopy and there's not much you can check, like the

(15:32):
Aquarius documents of briefing for Carter. I mean, it's interesting,
it's fun read and so forth, but how can I
check anything. It's nothing much to validate. Or the one
that's most valid in my mind is the Special Operations Manual,

(15:52):
And you know, I'm ninety nine point, you know, six
or seven percent confident that's totally real and a thing
for a whole bunch of reasons, from the proof that
it's a hot light printing press, to the entomology, the
word usage, to the content and what it says and

(16:13):
the formatting and style. So that's sort of a brush.
But everyone has sort of an authenticity rating on the
Majestic Document's website. There's a whole process that we go
through to authenticated, and in one case, the Einstein Oppenheimer
June of nineteen forty seven piece where Einstein answers the question, well,

(16:40):
what happens if the ETS want to settle here? I mean,
is that legal? Is that appropriate? And so the question
is did Einstein really write it? And we ended up
using forensic linguistics to fingerprint his language style and conclude that, yeah,
sure enough it was him that wrote this.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Wow, that's super interesting. I wasn't aware that Einstein may
have been read into the UFO phenomena. That's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, well, that's really according to one of the documents,
he was he was at the Roswell crash or saw
parts of it, along with Oppenheimer and Steinmon and Groves
and Twining and you know, many many of the people.
You know, the movie Oppenheimer was fun to watch, but

(17:31):
I really would have loved to add a couple of
twists in there about you know, what's the real classified stuff?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So you've gone through like
thousands of pages, and you obviously have a process of
going through to to authenticate and verify and vet all
of these documents, which is you know, very important. I think,

(18:05):
you know, because there's a lot of stuff out there
that we have to sift through, and not all of
it is is uh, you know, something that can be
a reliable source. But your your book highlights one hundred
and four trashes. Now you said, you know what, what's
the criteria that you used to determine the credibility of

(18:29):
all of those reports.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well, that's a great question, Jeff. I mean, yeah, and
we use the same sort of similar process and that
you have a series of attributes and waiting factors, and
you know, hard physical evidence. Do you have, you know,
official documents from the government sort of moondust documents that

(18:53):
are Foyer released or in the National archives that support
some of the cases. Do you have witness testimony? And
how credible is the witness testimony. So there's a lot
of aspects that go into this process, and I describe
it all in the book Magic Guys Only, which is

(19:15):
you know this this this book that's on it's on Amazon,
And so you end up using this criteria to determine
the authenticity of each one. And it goes from load
a medium, load of medium to medium high to high
and there's like six or seven that are high, you know, Roswell, Kecksburg,

(19:36):
Shag Harbor, Braxton County, a few ones that people are
more familiar with, and then there are a bunch that
are sort of in the neutral position. You know, the
needle is in the middle and you and you want
to try to push the needle higher with more research
to get it more authentic, or push it lower with
more research to say this is like bogus, it's not

(20:00):
not real. And one of the ones that we just
pushed lower was the Trinity event that Raimi Baka and
Uzapadia were two young boys that saw crash and a
recovery in New Mexico. Despite you know, Paula Harris's book

(20:21):
with Jacques Vallet on Trinity and and so forth, the
primary witnesses. You know, we're trying to sell the movie
rights for one hundred thousand dollars and they they they
they committed to give uh Tim Good, a famous British ufologist,

(20:44):
copies of the or use of this aluminum metal material
that they allegedly found that Tim and Good paid for
the analysis of and they renamed on that. And and
for me, I had I had during one of the

(21:05):
crash retrieval conferences, and I've forgotten two thousand and five
or six. I had signed Raymi Baka up to come
and speak to the conference and you know, share his
story and uh, and he stiffed me on that and
didn't show up. You know, you eat the five hundred

(21:26):
dollars airplane ticket and hotel and dot dot dot. And
I ended up, you know, reviewing his slides and giving
him short talk about that. But you know, that's just
examples of a case where we went to a lower
credibility in this recent edition based on new evidence and

(21:47):
research there was. So I'm open to any criticism. You know,
the majestic documents, this one is fake because I love it.
I want to see it. You know, invariably when people
say that, when you dig deeper, it turns into a

(22:10):
Zinger four authenticity. And that's why I welcome these sort
of you know, specific detailed thoughts, you know, the general attitude. Well,
you know, I had top secret code word clearances in

(22:33):
the eighties and they wouldn't have done it like that.
I'd say, Okay, so what this is all nineteen forty seven,
the fifties. You weren't there then, and everything's different now.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yes, yes, yeah, you know, it's there's so many it
seems like revelation, lots of talking, and you mentioned David
Grush earlier. You know, what's your what's your perspective on
on all of these congressional hearings that have have happened

(23:10):
in the last you know, two years. You know, you've
been talking about these crash retrieval programs for quite a while,
and now there's a little bit of validation at least
on an official level here.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, it's great. I mean we were twenty years ahead
of Grush. I mean two thousand and three was the
first crash retrieval conference. Yeah, and Rush was twenty twenty three,
So we were leading the charge. And George Knapp in
Las Vegas was, you know, coming to the conferences, and
he gave talks about his scrash vent in two thousand

(23:43):
and eight. And so I'm I'm thankful now that the
you know, the kids no longer believe Dad is crazy,
you know, not that they really did, but it's validated
and supportive. I mean, I knew it all along, but

(24:04):
I think it's great that Grush was there and said, yeah,
I'll tell you all about it in a classified skiff
if you've got the right tickets and need to know,
and most of the Congress people don't have the right
tickets or classifications or the need to know, so they
are going to get shut out. You know, well, tell

(24:28):
me about top secret OMEGA operations. Well I can't tell
you that. And so anyway, that's I think it's great.
I think Congress waking up and Tim Berushad and mary
Anne Mace and all the people, and Mark Warner in

(24:51):
the Senate and so forth. Their interests is you know, welcome.
I don't think they'll get very far extracting data from
the intelligence community. You're going to get dribs and drabs.
I mean, the bad guys are balancing transparency versus secrecy,
and you know, in theory they want to be transparent,

(25:17):
but they don't want to reveal the secret. And the
ultimate secret is that we've figured out gravity control, and
we have assets and capabilities that can go to space,
maybe they can go deep underwater, but that we have
flying triangles or other assets that are capable of gravity manipulation,

(25:41):
and that is the solution or could be the solution
to our entire planets problems environmentally, energy wise. But at
the same time, it's a giant hornet's nest because you're
going to reward the entire economic structure of the world.

(26:05):
You know, Saudi Arabias oil reserves are going to go
down by eight or the whole world oil economy will
get shifted. It'll take time, you know, it might take
ten years or something like that, but there'll be big
losers and big winners, and you know, so anyway, I

(26:33):
just thought to give you that perspective.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, no, I mean, it would be a world changing
event if disclosure happened tomorrow and we have public knowledge
and access to all of these super advanced technologies that
you know, apparently we've been working on secretly for a

(26:56):
very long time. So yeah, that's alway is kind of
the question of why, you know, why keep it secret?
And there certainly seems to be some pretty big reasons
as to why.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I agree. I mean there's I'm sure that every year
they make a list of you know, why keep it secret?
Why should we tell the truth? And then it's sort
of a limited hangout. I mean, there's a way to
do this. I mean, I'm reminded of you know, President
Obama's interview with Jimmy Kimmel and where you Kimmel asks him,

(27:40):
you know, why don't you tell us all about UFOs
And I'm paraphrasing, and and Obama says, well, the aliens
are in charge and they don't want us to do that.
And I think that's true. And the it may not

(28:00):
be in such an overt way, but you know, the
ability of ets to telepathically implant reed influence people's minds
or the whole abduction phenomenon or two, perceive the future

(28:27):
and then sort of tune it to how they want
to have it turn out. You know, I think the
criteria for disclosure, a full disclosure, in my mind, is
along the lines of, you know, when you clean up

(28:49):
your environment, you get rid of your nukes and you
feed everybody and educate everybody, or substantial progress and all that,
and you get rid of all your wars. Yeah, you
can join the cosmic kindergarten. And my prediction personally is
twenty fifty twenty sixty. Maybe we'll get that done a

(29:12):
bout the time I die, and hopefully I'll see that.
But it's that's sort of the criteria. Now, there's maybe
a little bit of disclosure here and there, dribs and drabs,
and you know, but the white world or the science

(29:33):
world has the opportunity to rediscover how to manipulate gravity
and improve the lot of humanity from an energy point
of view.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah this Yeah. Heard a lot of
talk about kind of like the zero point energy. I mean,
it would totally, like you mentioned, disrupt everything with the
petro dollar and the oil, big oil all around the world,
and you know, largely that would probably be a huge

(30:08):
benefit for all of humanity, I would say. But yeah, yeah,
Now I wanted to kind of shift gears a little
bit from that and talk about a couple a couple
of the crash incidents that you've looked into, out of
the one hundred and four, which ones do you find

(30:31):
kind of like the most compelling and you know interesting.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, well, let me maybe provide a little more contact
for the book. I mean, I mean, I'm the primary
investigator on a few cases that Cape Gerardo nineteen forty
one case as one example, but I'm not the expert
on Roswell.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
I talked to Stan Friedman or Kevin Randall or Don
Schmidt or many of the people have done a lot
of research, and so I took the research of all
these individual investigators and created sort of simple one page
summary in some cases with references to you know, ten

(31:17):
pages or more about a more robust, sophisticated case and
it's related investigations and authenticity and witnesses and so forth, and.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Tried to provide a review sort of of these one
hundred and four crash events from around the world. So,
you know, Stan Gordon is the expert in Kechsburg's crash
or Leslie Keene, and I did most of my work

(31:52):
on Cape Girardo and weaving the majestic documents throughout throughout
the book, primarily all as a driver of you know,
patrons asking me, you know, early on in two thousand
and five of aren't you going to run out of crashes?
And so that was my you know process as to

(32:15):
the biggest and best ones. I mean, it's Roswell's the
most obvious, and it only takes one that you feel
have to feel confident that, oh yeah, they really have
crashed hardware and recovered alien bodies to start reverse engineering
it and developing that technology for military use. So uh,

(32:45):
the challenges with crash retrievals are, first, you need to
determine precisely where and precisely when did the event occur.
If you can do those two things, or even one,
you can make a lot of progress on researching by
investigating a particular crash. And often you don't have those

(33:10):
I mean you have parts like the Cape Girardo case,
we don't know if it's the spring or the summer,
or spring or the fall of nineteen forty one. It
was described as summer weather. You know somebody who's wearing
a summer I mean a sweater excuse me, a sweater weather,

(33:31):
So that could be a spring or fall sort of
time frame. And so, but we knew that it was
in Cape Girardo and it was new. It was about
a fifteen minute drive by police car from Main Street
in downtown Cape Girardo, where Reverend Huffman lived and he

(33:57):
was he provided blessings for these three day the bodies
before the military took it all away to the Sikeston Airbase,
and no doubt it was swept to parts unknown. So
there's loans of opportunity for people that really want to

(34:18):
investigate a crash retrieval, but it takes real money. I mean,
you need to start with the fifty thousand dollars budget
to push the needle anywhere on these crashes because you
got to go there, you got to go there multiple times.
You got to run hotels and cars, you can to
try to interview witnesses, go to the various national archives.

(34:39):
You got to go to the local you know, county
and find the deeds and so forth, and the ownership
trace the ownerships, you know, interview children, interview grandchildren and
the people involved, videotape at all. It's just it's far

(35:00):
as a serious effort to work these historical cases. Yeah,
there's not much in the modern era to go after,
so hopefully that provided some context for the crashes.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, no, for sure, And it is, uh it's a
very uh involved process, I guess, to really look into
these cases and verify everything, you know, I you know,
I know there's there's production companies out there, independent ones
these days, to investigate you know, things like cryptids or

(35:39):
UFOs and stuff like that. People I'm connected with in
small Town Monsters, you know, they they do a series
called On the Trail of UFOs and they do like
boots on the ground, they go out and interview people
and you know, every year they get they have a
kickstarter and they have to raise funds to to go
out and do this stuff and you know, get the

(36:01):
right info.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, and I would, I would give you the big
My perspective after some thirty five years in and around
euthology in high intensity and low intensity ways, is there's
three fundamental problems. Credibility is not enough credibility and that

(36:26):
we can talk about more about that. There's not enough leadership.
You know, who's the CEO of all these organizations. It's
a loose knit group of volunteers everywhere trying to move
the ball down the court and score a goal. And
then finally, the elephant in the room is money. I mean,

(36:47):
it's basically I mean, I wrote a paper in two thousand,
I don't know, No, it's like nineteen ninety five, and
there was maybe a quarter of a million dollars spent
on everything in eufology, all the books, all the conferences.
Maybe it's a few million dollars today, but it could
easily absorb fifty million dollars to do more crash retrievals,
to do more investigations, to go find all the people

(37:10):
and the grandchildren of all these military officers that were
involved and push you know, so just protecting one whistleblower
is at least a million dollars. It's like, well, I'm
not going to come forward, is I'm going to use
lose my pension. Well, how about if we give you
a guarantee pension for the rest of your life, and

(37:35):
so you've got to buy insurance for that, you've got
to provide legal support. So there's a lot. And then
they're supporting all the podcasters and all the people that
want to do research in the field to try to
go after specific insights. So those are the big three Money, leadership,

(37:58):
and credibility. And my latest work on credibility is a
new book called UFOs Who Knows. And this is a
book of famous quotations one hundred and eighty five of
them from famous people, astronauts, celebrities, military presidents, religious leaders,

(38:23):
government so and they range from stunningly you know, oh
my God, to yeah, I was sitting in hot tub
with Emmie Levado and and we did this channeling exercise
and we got a uf photo show up over us.

(38:45):
So there's lots of cross section of society that you
people can relate to. And so this is the book
that I can hand anybody and say, if you read
this or scan through what you want and come away
with the notion that UFOs aren't real or there's not

(39:08):
something there. You you may not have all your marbles.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah yeah, I mean with that many people offering their
own accounts and and and everything, you know, it's there's
there's something there.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Incredible people. That's the whole thing is that they're they're famous,
I mean, and they have very strong, you know bios.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah yeah, I mean, if you if you have a
lot to lose and you're you're saying stuff like that,
you know, it's I think that kind of lends a
little bit more credibility than than than several cases. But yeah,
for sure, have you in your research come across.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Any uh you know, uh I believe you're uh.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Aurora, Texas was kind of cited as like the first
modern case where obviously there was a crash that was
said to have happened in Aurora, Texas. It was eighteen
ninety yeah, and there was an entity that died and
was buried in the town. And I've seen all these,
you know, shows on Sci Fi Discovery over the years.

(40:24):
They every once in a while do an episode on that.
But have you come across any any documentation of stuff
that's happened earlier than that.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Well, the book that Magic Guys only starts with a
you know, mount air rat in three thousand BC sort of,
and the CIA refuses to release the nineteen fifty youtwoe
over of flights stereo negatives of that era. There seems

(41:00):
to be a lot of sensitivity around that mountaintop and
what was there allegedly. I mean, the speculation is that
there was a UFO crash or that you know that
was the arc was maybe a UFO from space or

(41:23):
a UFO to take you to space. I'm not sure.
So that's where the new edition of the book starts.
The eighteen ninety seven Aurora, Texas cases is great. I mean,
the late Jim Mars, who wrote the forward to my
book Magic Guys, was one of the primary investigators, and

(41:45):
he was it was a Dallas Morning News I think
it was. It was Fort Worth fort Worth newspaper that
he was an investigative reporter for and did a lot
of research. He wrote the book Crossfire JFK and it
was didn't work, lots of conspiracy work. A very good

(42:08):
reporter on not only a JFK assassination, but a book
called Rule by secrecy, which is, you know, very interesting.
And then he did a lot of work on nine
to eleven as well, so he'd hit all the big conspiracies.

(42:31):
But you know, he was he was pretty good. I
distinctly remember sitting in in Lafflin, Nevada with him and
Rich Dolan and a few other people, and he was
encyclopedic and his knowledge and could still smoke a cigar
and drink his whiskey and keep it coherent. So it

(42:53):
was it was fun times.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
So I was skimming through some of the m J
twelve documents and I saw there's one of the documents
mentioned this formation of Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit. You know, was
this kind of like a precursor of what we have

(43:19):
with like a tip and arrow of the modern era.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I mean before Majestic twelve got established, there was
I mean, before the CIA, there was something called the
OSS Office of Strategic Services, and you know, worked throughout
the war. But the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit, the IPU, it's
important to remember that it's been acknowledged through multiple Freedom

(43:49):
of Information Act requests as being a real organization part
of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence Stephen J. Chamberlain,
a technical and scientific branch of the Counterintelligence Department, and

(44:10):
the institutional memory is remembered this, but all the documents
are sort of missing or not available. But that's where
one of the major sources of leaked documents from a
pseudonym by the name of Thomas cant Wheel that happened

(44:33):
in in the mid nineties. I think he was part
of the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit in the counter Intelligence Corps
and leaked many of these documents.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
But the.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
First sort of really stunning IPU document was I think
twenty two July forty seven, where the counterintelligence team was
talking about Roswell and it starts off at you at
twenty three thirty two Mountain standard time, two objects dropped
off radar, and you know subsequent recoveries in the Brasel

(45:15):
Ranch and near the Trinity atomic burst in White Sands
Proving Grounds designated ULAT Unidentified Lenticular ARIDIGNE Technology ULAT one.
I mean people call them flying saucers, but they also
officially call them ulats, and so that's it goes on

(45:40):
to talk about you know, bodies and autopsies and what
was recovered. And let's see if I can quickly throughout
a few other sort of key key phrases. Select scientists
from the General Advisory Committee on Atomic Energy Commission, most

(46:04):
notably J. J. Robert Oppenheimer was identified at LZ two
Landing Zone two, as well as other members among paper
clip specialists were identified doctor Werner von Braun, you know,
the head of the rocket effort, and and Ernst Steinhoff
and Herbert Stronghold of the aromedical laboratory. You know, he's

(46:28):
the biology guy, and so you know, they interviewed radar
operators and says General Twining arrived on July seventh, and
they talk about secrecy and all civilian and military person
involved with the recovery operations had a need to know.

(46:51):
You got to access for proper security clearances. You know,
MPs were there. Well, this is another one. It's become
known that the c i C that some of the
recovery operation was shared with the Representative John F. Kennedy,
Massachusetts Democrat, elected the forty sixth son of Joseph P. Kennedy,

(47:16):
and Kennedy had limited duty as a naval officer assigned
to the Naval Intelligence during the war it's believed that
information was obtained from a source in Congress who was
close to the Secretary of the Air Force. So, you know,
here's Kennedy pre president getting exposed to the nature of

(47:36):
crash retrievals, and and then there's later documents that talk
about NASA and National Security Action memorandums and unknowns in
the Russian and you know, could this be another reason
why Kennedy was assassinated. Yeah, some people argue that it

(48:01):
is the reason, but I put it in the bucket
of well, there's lots of reasons that they wanted to
do it, but this may have just been the straw
that broke the Campbell's back or what have you. So anyway,
the Majestic documents talk about that too.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's I've heard some some people talking about that.
Before that. He Kennedy wanted to release the information about
you know, the UFOs and that's why they often. But
I wonder if anyone's gotten through all the released JFK

(48:35):
documents that came out recently yet to see if there's
anything there. But I haven't been following that story in
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, nor have I, and I suspect that there's no
smoking gun. There's no doubt a bunch of researchers were
knee deep in the middle of it. I mean, the
story is at least two months old, and I'm sure
that one or two researchers have been in there trying

(49:04):
to figure out what is new, what did they learn
from this process? And I don't I don't think there's
anything there. I think it's been mostly I mean, the
leaked document that we have is a top secret White

(49:25):
House document saying I want you, James Webb, head of NASA,
to share the nones and the unknowns with the Russians
to make sure that we don't launch nukes to each.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Other and.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Do a joint program to the moon. So he was
he was, you know, trying to unite the world to
go to the moon rather than you know, divide it.
And I think at the time the Russian said, you know,
pretty good rocket technology. But you know, Werner von Braun

(50:11):
was from paper Clip and he had he'd done all
the V two rockets in the Nazi Germany and so
forth to he was the main intellectual wizard.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so much, so much going on with
all these puzzle pieces here. Now I'm wondering. You know,
there's so many crashes that have been have happened, and
you know are are a number of them. Just do
you think due to pilot error on their part or

(50:46):
failure of technology or or are we like shooting these
things down?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Well? Yeah, you bring up great question, Jeff, and that
is you know, well why do they crash? I mean,
and there's lots of ten reasons. I mean, there's certainly
the La Air raid time in forty two where we
had a crash in the ocean in the mountain San
Marindino Mountains, you know where they're they're shooting anti aircraft

(51:12):
artillery atit and have a spotlight illuminating the craft. Now, ill,
actually you go, I don't know that it's gonna make
any difference. But there's also you know, more aggressive high
powered SAM missiles. There's radar interference, which I you know,

(51:33):
General Corso or Colonel Corso highlighted in his book The
Day After Roswell, which I think I give a lot
of credibility to and maybe that was the contributing factor
in the Roswell crash. You also have high powered negative
lightning bolts which are ten x the typical positive lightning

(51:56):
bolt that are common in New Mexico and in southern
Colorado and parts of Oklahoma. You know, there's this zone
in this area where there's a far greater density of
lightning strikes. On Planet Earth, there's several zones like that
all across the planet. So you can have natural phenomenon.

(52:19):
You can also sort of extracting yourself a little bit
back and said, well, oh, planet Earth, you explored an
atomic bomb in July forty five, and now we've seen
this movie a thousand times before across the universe, and

(52:40):
what you really need is some advanced hardware to study.
So we're going to drop some technology on your doorstep
and force you to think about physics and communications and
integrated circuits and advanced technology because that will accelerate your

(53:03):
science and technology evolution, and that's the fastest way to
clean up your society and planet. So it's a deliberate
seeding of kindergarten planets by the ets, sort of the
anthropological approach. And you know, the ets are just disposable

(53:25):
biological drones. I mean, you know, we don't pick up
the the drones that crash in Ukraine. They get shot
down and give them a proper burial or anything. It's
like they're just junk. Yeah, and so the advanced civilizations
may conclude that the biological entities are are basically droids.

(53:51):
They're biological droids. Now they happen to be, you know,
a thousand times smarter than human beings, but nevertheless they're
So those are some of the thoughts as to why.
Besides David Grush's comment in congressional testimony that a certain
number of you know, missions and in mission failure. So anyway,

(54:18):
that was the long winded answer to your question.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah, no, I mean there's a lot of options for that,
for sure. You know, I see people talking about like, oh,
I mean, if this extraterrestrial civilization is so advanced and
they're able to traverse interstillar distances, you know, why would
they crash? And obviously I mean, you know, look at
your our technology today, which would be magic to a

(54:43):
caveman with our cell phones and all that. But even
then those things break down from time to time. So yeah,
that's interesting. Now on the technology front, I mean, how
much stuff do we have today and what kind of
stuff do you think, I mean, aside from the military

(55:03):
reverse engineering, anti gravity craft. You know, what kind of
other technology are we talking about that that you know
may have come into play with humanity since Roswell, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
A great question. Well, I mean, I'll start with Colonel
Corso and his his claims of working in the Foreign
intelligence Foreign Technology division of Right Patterson Air Force Base.
So he claims in his book that fiber optics, night
vision goggles, integrated circuits a little bit are seeded by

(55:45):
ET technology. And I would say, okay, you know, I'm
not dismissing the immense hard work of the scientists at
Intel which created the microprocessor and the evolution of Moore's

(56:06):
law and the process technology of improving silicon wafers and
creating you from thousands to millions to billions of transistors
on an integrated circuit. But in nineteen forty seven they
may have seen an integrated circuit and they could take

(56:27):
out the microscope and look at it and say, oh
my goodness, look at all those little tiny things, what's
going on? And they sort of get the clue that, oh, yeah,
you can build an integrated circuit. I don't think the transistor,
for example, is linked to anything. Shockly, and I've gotten
the other two gentlemen that were part of the transistor

(56:51):
was that they sort of did that in nineteen forty seven.
But I don't know the full history. I mean, it'd
be fun to get the FBI files of those three
gentlemen and uh and sort of dig deeper into their
their history or lacter.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
So.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
And I suspect that there's many other small subtleties, maybe
with meta materials, maybe with memory materials. With this that
the other thing where people have gotten patents, you know,
Lockheed or North for a Are Aerospace Corporation, or Bechdal
or E. G and G or the Carlisle Group or

(57:36):
many of these other sort of aerospace industrial complex. Uh,
nonprofits that have deep government ties may have gotten little
shards of of opportunity, but there's nothing really juicy. Are

(58:04):
you really useful for humanity? And that's that in my
mind is the crime is that you know, they they
think that a thousand bright scientists cloistered up underground for
years on end can compare in any way, shape or
form to the tens or hundreds of millions of scientists

(58:27):
and engineers in the white world of science and technology. Yeah. Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Interesting times. Man, it's uh yeah, now we're we're coming
up to the top of the hour here. But I
I wanted to ask you about UFO decks. This is
like a new a new project you're working on, and
it seems like it's gonna be a pretty cool thing.
Can you, uh uh enlighten my audience on what that's

(58:57):
all about and what what the goals are with that?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Yeah? I mean, well, it originally started back in I
think two thousand and eight when Google had a Google Mini,
which is a little, tiny piece of hardware that well,
it wasn't little. It was like a rack mounted thing,
but you could feed it all this data and you
could do searches and correlate and stuff like that. And
so I collected a bunch of data back then, scanned

(59:23):
an ocr optical character recognize you know, hundreds of books.
But I was using AI for my day job at
Electric Fusion Systems and decided, Wow, this is really impressive.
Why why don't I feed it a bunch of UFO

(59:46):
data and see what happened? And so in that process
I ended up creating this little book called the AI Eufologist,
answering the big questions of ufology, like what's their agenda,
Why did they abduct humans? Why don't they tell the truth?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Why is the secrecy? Dot you know, thirty questions that
interested me, and so I was so impressed with the
answers that I decided that I really should create and
I used uphadex uphadex, ufod e x dot com. Two.
It's right now, six hundred and sixty thousand pages of

(01:00:20):
data that is in a what's called a RAG database
retrieval augmented database. No hallucination, you know this, this is
an AI. You sort of I had this brain of knowledge,
seven hundred and fifty books, periodicals, national archive, material journals,
conference proceedings from New fund and Flying Saucer Review and

(01:00:44):
all this sort of curated knowledge base that I was
familiar with, which is sort of the brain. And then
you use AI to sort of rummage through the brain
and give you coherent answers in a well worded thousand
word answer. So today you can go to euphadex dot
com and type in your question. You know, tell me

(01:01:06):
about the the top events in Massachusetts in the past
twenty years. Cite your sources and references, provide the dates
and times and locations or anything else, So it's extremely powerful.

(01:01:28):
You know, what are the top theories of how technology
in UFOs work and provide your references. So anyway, that's
sort of the tool that's available right now for free.
Eventually it's gonna cost money, but we should be close
to seven hundred and fifty thousand pages by Contact in

(01:01:51):
the Desert at the end of of May early June,
and I'm leaving a whole series about Contact in the Desert,
about using Euphodex to answer your questions in real time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
That's very cool. That's going to be huge for researchers everywhere,
even the casual enthusiast like myself. So that's gonna be great. Yeah,
very cool. Well, do you have any upcoming other projects
or books or you just mentioned Contact in the Desert.

(01:02:32):
Do you have any other events that you're doing besides that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
No, nothing schedule. I may go to the New Fund
conference in July just as a participant, but that's sort
of it. I mean, I've shifted away from crash retrievals
because i think I've done a great job on that
for the time being, and I'm onto man made craft

(01:02:58):
and that's the other talk I'm giving a Contact in
the the Desert titled Gravity Wars, the Silver Bullets and
aerospace and tracing the history of gravity research and man
made UFOs and that's really the next thing that I'm
focused on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yeah, well that sounds great, That sounds great. Well, this
has been a fantastic conversation today, Ryan, So glad you
could come on to chat about Majestic twelve and all
your projects and all your research that you've done and
the huge benefit that it's had for the UFO community.

(01:03:43):
Before we go, can you please tell my listeners where
they can find you and your works.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Well, I have a whole bunch of websites, you know,
Majesticdocuments dot com or euphadex dot com or the ai
Ufologist or or magic Guys only dot com or this
Special Operations manual dot com or UFOs who knows dot com. Uh,

(01:04:15):
And then there are all the books are on Amazon too,
so you can you can get them quickly globally, uh anywhere.
And so that's and there's contact forms on all those
places where people can but so that's how you can
get a hold of me or email me and or

(01:04:39):
get my materials. So I welcome you know, questions and correspondence.
So that's that's how to get a hold of me,
and I'll hopefully see everybody at Contact in the Desert
at the end of end of May and early June.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Will you be there, Yes, I will be there. I'm
doing a live podcast and I'm also going to be
giving a presentation as well, so oh cool. Yeah, I'll
see you there, all right, Thanks je Yeah, thank you
very much. We'll see again. Thanks again to Ryan Wood

(01:05:24):
for coming onto the show today. The more we look
into the UFO phenomenon, UAPs, whatever we want to call them,
these days, it seems like there has been a decades long,
massive effort to keep the knowledge of what's really going
on hidden from the public, with groups like the Majestic
twelve and clandestine crash retrieval programs that we've heard about

(01:05:47):
in recent months. Again, we're living in some pretty interesting
times and it will be very interesting, a very wild
ride to see what happens in the next few years.
So let's all stay tuned and keep your eyes on
the skies and see what happens. Make sure to check
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