August 12, 2023 • 57 mins
In episode 200" we dive deep into the internal struggles and unique perspectives that have shaped our journey. Joining me as my special guest is the one and only Papi Jae, a familiar voice and a key member of the Stuck In My Mind family. In this episode, we explore the presence of a conscience that keeps us in check when we're tempted to behave badly. We discuss the challenging battle between wanting to physically harm those who wrong us and the need to control ourselves. Drawing from our own experiences, we shed light on how growing up together as family members has given us a different outlook and adds a distinct flavor to our discussions. Throughout the episode, we embrace the power of expression and delve into the topic of cutting people off. As minority business owners, we acknowledge the roadblocks and those who don't want to see us succeed. But we also recognize the importance of building a strong reputation and having a unique niche in the business world. Alongside our personal journey embracing past mistakes, we stress the significance of transparency and authenticity with our valuable customers.With our property maintenance business in mind, we highlight the need for nurturing relationships with customers and gaining knowledge through meaningful interactions. We reflect on the sometimes bewildering strategies of successful "fucked up" business people and compare them to our own growth and accomplishments. In the realm of podcasting, we explore the vibrant community that has become a haven for asking questions, gaining knowledge, and finding support. However, we also touch on the disappointment of not receiving the support we expected from loyal friends and the importance of seeking new friendships that align with our ambitions. As we delve into the significance of cutting off those who fail to see their own potential, we emphasize the importance of pursuing dreams with unwavering dedication. Our journey has taught us that there's no room for distractions when building a business or chasing one's dreams. We've had to reintroduce ourselves to people, let go of negative influences, and leave behind those who don't understand our mission. But in spite of the challenges, we are determined to overcome any obstacles that come our way. We recognize the support from those who truly understand the ups and downs of life. We appreciate the value of therapy through our podcast and Patreon page. And we share our insights on the power of removing oneself from toxic environments to foster personal growth and build a better future. Join us on this episode of the Stuck In My Mind Podcast, filled with introspection, wisdom, and the unfiltered truth. So grab your headphones, settle in, and let's dive into the minds of Wize El Jefe and Papi Jae on this remarkable journey.
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Stuck in my mind. Podcast. This is for the Eddie for the
audio version. But I'm so excited because
my next guest was actually my first guest on my
first episode, which was like five minutes long. He's been a
part of this journey with me from the beginning. He's a
published author, podcaster content creator,
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my brother, my nephew,
whatever. Welcome to the show,
my man. My partner,
Anthony J gonzalez, aka. Poppy
J. What's going on over there?
What's up? What's going on, man?
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Listen, like I said, you've been a part of this journey with me since day
one, episode one of Stuck in my mom podcast, even though
it was like five, six minutes, you and me introducing the
episode, even though we did do a reintroduction
episode. Oh, yeah, we did
afterwards. And we added that to the first episode.
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But that was just us showing the growth of the
podcast from episode one to that point in
time. But I'm excited, man. Episode 200
podcast. I was thinking about that the other day. I said damn.
200. That's just
audio. I've recorded way
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more than that. I have a bunch of episodes that I've recorded that didn't
get released. They're in the archives.
I've recorded more than 200 episodes, especially with
doing the transformation to
video and YouTube and all that stuff. So I've done more than
200 episodes. But to release, as
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far as audio, this is going to be number 200. It will go up as
video as well. But we just wanted to celebrate
200 of the audio podcast. So
let's just jump right into it, bro. All right, so we're going to start off
with this, man. Tell us where you came up with the concept
of plus life and how has it shaped your approach to life and success?
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I came up with it in prison because
it had to be a better life than prison.
And
being a good person with good
intentions, not trying to get over on people,
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not trying to manipulate a situation, just being a
good person. And honestly,
just being the person I am
that opened up so many doors for different connections that I probably would
have never been able to
meet, be a part of if I
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didn't change. And just believe that as long as
I do good and work on my happiness, then
everything else around me will start to fall in place.
Yeah, because we still have some partners
that ain't changed their lives
in the 30 plus years or whatever we've been
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doing. Whatever we've been doing. But
tell me what's been like to
see that you've decided to
change. You decided to change your environment, decided to change what you
did. You started a business. You published your second
book. How
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do you feel? The people that used to run with before
look at you now, how they perceive you? I know you
don't really give a fuck what they think,
but tell me,
how do you feel that they've perceived you and
looked at you now that you've decided to go the
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entrepreneurship route, escape the streets
and live a better life. At first I
used to think that
they didn't believe in me
or whatever I was trying to do was
unattainable. Because it's something
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that you either got to be of that cloth or you're
not of that cloth. To take sacrifices and
invest in something and it's not really something that's going to bring you back
money fast or believe that if you stick to what
you're doing, you're going to prosper in that area.
And a lot of people is like
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microwave got to be fast. Any idea you have, any
transformation you have, it has to be something that they could see something
fast. As far as me being like
walking a different walk,
I think it's more me at first I used to
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think niggas are just stupid, lazy,
but it's really just they don't
have no their ambition
is in the wrong. They just are not ready for
something like that. That's not how I come I believe the way I believe when
I come to the world as a whole. And peace
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is not sacrifice is probably the thing that
scares people the most because everybody's got an
image sacrificing change. Yeah. So
because I realized now that there's no change.
One, it's disappointing because you have to cut people
off. I didn't realize that
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until actually the beginning of this month.
You don't really cut people off. You know what is it's not that you cut
people off. You're in a different space
and you're in different energy. So those people
tend to vibrate out of your life. Like I'm saying, you're in a whole different
space in a whole different mental place. So
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you're going to attract people that are like minded and are doing
the same thing you do and want the same things that you do.
And a lot of the people that we know are stuck in
their ways. They haven't evolved, they haven't grown,
they haven't decided that this isn't for me and
it's time for change. And that's one thing we talked about
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sacrificing change. People are afraid of these changes
because they are afraid of the unknown. They don't want to fail or
whatever it is.
What I say to that all that is
true. All that is true. But you have to
cut them off because they don't realize that they're becoming
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more. What I've
learned from really happening because when you decide to start a business, when
you decide to quit your job, there's no time for
play, there's no time for the entertainment.
There's really no time for that because you're trying to get something off the ground
and if you ain't going to give it 100%, that is never going to get
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off the ground. And I realized that between last year and this
year. So now that
I know what it takes and now that I know
there's potential in it.
The interactions. Like you said, if you ain't like
minded, then there's no conversation. I don't even know how to
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joke. I don't know what to talk to you about. And they're
oblivious to the fact that that change and
that different style of communication that I'm delivering
now where it's very little. I'm not entertaining
the street news or gossip. That's all
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they got. That's all they got is the gossip and what's
going on in the world, and they think everybody wants to hear that shit, and
that's not the case. I had to cut a
pickup, and I mean, cut them off is just present
what I like, let them know where I'm at today. Reintroduce myself.
I had to reintroduce myself to people that I know and care
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about. All that shit
gone. This is who I am. I'm telling you who I am. If
you don't respect who I am, then you ain't got to come around me. But
this is who I am. Yeah. So I had to cut people off. I had
to let them know that's one. That's why
even it's tough, because I realize if you're trying
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to get up, you're going to leave a lot of people
behind because they're never going to understand your mission. Like,
if you're really trying to get up, if you're
really pursuing your dreams, you can't sit there and think that you're going to take
everybody with you. Not on the initial run. No.
The initial run, you got to burn rubber and they can't keep
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up. You can't worry about they trip. You got to keep burning rubber. And
that's what I've been struggling with. And that's what I just came to
peace with. I've been
struggling for the last couple of months with. Is that
a good decision? Is it right? Can you do it without having to
sacrifice? And the answer is
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no, because it stagnates you.
It stagnates the growth. If you sit there and really try
to keep looking back to help somebody or keep looking back to be a part
of something, it stagnates the growth. And
I came to a piece with it. If you don't respect it, you don't
respect it. I'm not going to lose no sleep. You know what I'm saying? There's
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an end result. It's a bigger picture to it. It's not a
selfish act. So I'm good as long as I know that
it's not a selfish act. And this benefits more if I just
keep my head forward and keep it pushing.
Okay, so as an author, podcaster,
and content creator, how do you balance these creative endeavors
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and stay inspired to produce engaging content?
That's where you come in at.
That's where you come in at, because like you said, we've been doing this from
the beginning for
full disclosure.
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Whoever could help at the time helps and holds it down for the
other person. So
that's the support. Honestly, that's the support
that keeps me knowing
you particularly, because I know because you are no
bullshit, no game. You ain't with the
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bullshit. So for you to be as supportive
as you are to me, lets me know there's no
bullshit, can't bullshit. I got to be on debt. If he say record,
if you say this, if you say this, if I got to figure it out,
make sure that I don't never have to tell you no. And
that's just the balance. We know the
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mission. We know there's different
departments that we all focus in on, and we just come
together with it. So it's like not as a
heavier load, as one would think, because
they have a real supporter, somebody really down a
partner, somebody that understand, yo, I might be up one month. You might
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be up one month. Let's take care of this. But the mission is the mission.
We stay focused. And that right there.
And my sister I can't say my sister has been very
instrumental in my little mental thing I was going through,
because she's up close and personal. So sometimes I could duck
you,
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sometimes I could duck you, and I have to deal with life. Sometimes they'll
just stay in my own head, and then my sister will pop up like, nigga,
get out your head. I'm looking to you so you
can't get stuck. So now it's just
different. It's nice. And
like my sister has said, son, you could start with 50 people, but
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by the time you ball down to, you should be expecting to be around at
least five, because people ain't going to
along the journey, there's a different level of struggle that somebody may
not be able to handle. So you can't sit there and
think that the whole crew is going now. If whoever the five get
there now, we could go regroup, and now at least we know what
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position to put everybody in, because we know their
max, what struggle is going to break them.
Everything right now is observation. So you still love the people you have to
cut off for a minute, but you just want to see
it's more about there's just a loyalty. You don't got to respect
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what I'm doing, but there's a loyalty factor that has to
remain in place for me to make a uturn and come back for
you. There's a little loyalty,
whether it's don't support but stay silent,
don't hate like shit like that.
You know how it is in the world. You'll hear a rumor, you'll hear something,
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depending on who it come back from, you know the validity of how true it
could be, because only certain people could say certain things about
us. And everything right
now is just staying focused.
About to go really hard with this podcast thing, the
Patreon page. I really need it. I haven't done it in a while,
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and I feel like that really is my
therapy. So I haven't been going to therapy. So I've been a
little just I always get stuck in
myself or in a moment of just where I'm lost, like, feel like
I'm in the in between or something.
So now it's just remove
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the heavy weight, dead weight on the shoulders,
box out everybody that's not on board, and just
keep it pushing. And then I'll see you at the crossroad.
It sounds good, but it was one of my toughest
hurdles was knowing that I got to dismiss
myself from people. I bet better than saying cutting
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people off. I just had to remove myself from situations.
And some of the situations is tough because of the pieces that's
involved in that situation.
All right, so can you tell us a little
something about what inspired you guys to start? Inspire
us to start. Probably J and Wise and hefe show.
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And how do you and your co host, Wise and Hefe
bring your unique perspectives to the podcast?
I think it's bound because I don't reason because people
like hearing us talk.
See, what I realize and what I like to lean
into is the fact that you really are my
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uncle. So when we talk,
there's no faking shit. You know who I am. I know you is
there's nothing to fake. So
it's different than friends be doing a podcast. There's
a respect level even, that you could
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see or feel within our show.
So there's so many different nuances to us doing a show
together that show so many different angles.
Your older nephew, he show holds mad respect to
his uncle. Like, who respects their uncle these
days?
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You know, saying, who respect? Especially if he's younger, like, Shut up, little
nigga. So
there's class to it, as wild as we may get sometimes
due to certain idiotic topics, but
there's class. It's not idiotic topics. It's more idiotic
people. The topic is because of
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the
A, there's a relaxation feel.
You and Cole got a good thing. But we
have the fact that we really grew up together,
that we really. And it was like, from the
beginning when we did the first couple of episodes, even when
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you come on and you would co host with me, when I had lee on
and other guests, people would be what? When y'all going to do
a show together? That was always the question is, Yo, y'all gonna do a show
together? Because the chemistry you two guys have but the thing is, because we know
each other, we've raised together. We know each other. We
know when one is bullshit. We know one of us is lying.
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We know we know. So that's why the
chemistry is there, because, again, we've known each other our. Whole lives,
and it's Odd Couple. Yeah, I compare assess
to the odd couple. Yes. You're Felix
Unger and I'm Oscar Madison. Yes, I've pointed that
out. But I say the odd couple. But I want to reword that
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because it's not really the Odd Couple. It is the odd couple. It is.
Listen, we both know I am Oscar Madison. I
am
Oscar Madison. I will not deny that. I've never denied, I've never
lied that you are Felix Unger. You have the
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OCD. You have to make sure everything is perfect, clean,
right? You're felix unger. Me, on the other
hand, you look at my desk, it is a fucking mess. You
right. I've
never denied I'm Oscar Madison. I was about to say I had, like but there's
a right outside of that when it
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comes to us.
You're like that conscience that I know when I'm on my
bullshit. You know what I'm saying? Like, on the side of the show, like, nigga,
if you fuck this up, I will fuck you up.
You know what I'm saying? And then there's a side of conscious
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on your side, like when somebody just fucks with you on the wrong day. You
just be like, Men, I just want to slap the shit out this nigga. You
got to talk to yourself down. You got to let
your bobby chill out. Don't whisper this in my ear right now. I'm going
to take this nigga head off.
That's what I'm saying. That's because we grew up together,
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so that starts to reflect in us
talking to each other. So that right there,
I think is cool. I think it's really different just because of that.
Just because everybody else is podcasted with
friends, people that they knew. So
they working on that shit live through the show.
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When we come through, it's like
and we just start going. So there's a
different aspect for people to look at or get a
vibe from off of two
niggas from the hood that is family and been through
some shit and seen some shit. It's not like we
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ain't talking about none. We ain't live. We
live it. We give our opinion on these
topics based on how we came up in life.
So that's the ill thing about the show,
and it's been holding me down since I get this
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new place, because I haven't been podcasting in between
places, but this is like my little
once a week for me to at least get something off my chest.
Like, this topic you started with today was what I was thinking about for
the last month. So you coming with these questions.
Got AI watching me or something, man. How you knew I need
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to talk about these people, cutting
people off, like the struggle I'm going through right now. Because it's all a
part of our journey, man. This is everything we've experienced together
going. When we started, we
had people running with us. And now, right now, it's me
and you. Brandy's got a situation, so she's been off for a while.
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We had your brother with us for a minute. He kind of fell
off, and we just kept going. We've been rocking, man.
We've had a couple of our boys stop by and they want to
be. A part of it. Talking is hard for these dudes,
man. They be in character mode, man. Talking really
ain't a fashion show. Don't come in on some suave shit.
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Get to talking. And talking real is
dangerous.
How has podcasting influenced your personal growth
and allowed you to connect with a broader audience?
Because
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people are more
as much as there's people online or people
podcasting that's always got a gimmick to try to get you on their
side but never reciprocate. There's just as
many people that just share knowledge,
offer up wisdom, insight to things,
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willing to talk to you about or willing to answer questions.
And podcasting prior to podcasting,
I probably would have never even thought to ask just people questions.
I probably wouldn't know what people you could ask these questions to.
But now your network is so much, just so many people
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that's willing to assist that you
don't know which was the biggest
baffle for me. Because all the people that you do know
that you loyal to don't assist nearly in the
way that the people we came across and interacted with
assist even with just thoughts, even if it's just a simple
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question to something we're doing or a thought that they think about what
we're doing. You don't get that from the people you see you
sit around every day or see or talk to. They won't even mention
nothing about this show. I
could talk to almost everybody I fuck with or
used to fuck with or just a part of my circle that I'm distancing
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myself from. And not one of them asked me about a podcast,
the book, the company,
nothing. Well, the company, yes, because everybody wants
me to just give them jobs or let them get down with me so
that they could make the equal amount that I'm making for doing
nothing.
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It's just crazy. It's crazy. And the
podcast network is just a good vibe.
It's a good community to be a part of.
That's it. Plus, I ain't stupid. I know the
trajectory of the world and the podcast is it. So
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I need new friends. Indeed. The friends I got, they could stay
right there in the hood and keep on hanging. I got to go.
I got to go. I don't know about anybody else, but there's things that
need must be done.
I could do it later. What we're doing must be
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done. How we're doing it must be done. The
path we take must be done. There's nothing to
question like whatever struggles or hurdles that's in our
way. We must get over them. So
that's it, man. We just got to keep it
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pushing. Keep it pushing. All right,
so can you tell me what's your favorite episode of the
Poppy? J and wise and hefe show which one is
one that stands out in your mind that you feel kind of had an
impact with the audience or just you feel like is one
of our best pieces of work. You want me to be
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honest? Yeah. The one that's going to drop
today,
you I can't wait to see what
the one that's going to drop today? I said some
shit. I thought about it when I was driving. See, I text you like, yo,
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edit. Some of that out. No beef. Right? Now,
you can't say fuck certain entities.
I felt it and you can't say it. But it's not always
wise to just. Run with put a target on our
backs. Now, I men, it's going to solely be my
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back. But I don't need
nothing on my back, right? I'm just getting rid of some dead weight. I don't
need nothing added to my shit. But this
episode I'm looking forward to seeing because
it's just topics, certain topics.
We really the last few episodes. I do like the Shannon sharp
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one. That was a good one. That was a
good look. The Brittany
Griner one was pretty. I'm not going to sit here act like I don't know
what ones was my favorite. There's some good ones out there. The
Brittany Griner one was? Yeah, the Brittany Griner
one. There's some ones. Listen,
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we've grown from the beginning to now
shout out to the BS Three network for housing
the first season and a half of Poppy, J, and Wise. It is also
now on real Wise TV as well. But
it's been an amazing trip being able to do
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the show with you and just the content, even
though I produce the show. But yeah, just the content and the stuff that
we put together and work together on. It's just been a
great journey, man. Yeah, this journey has
been life changing. Tell you the truth.
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This is a journey that's been life changing. Oh, listen,
podfest. The last two podfests we've attended have been
altering. It really has set us up to
succeed because we learned so much. We got to connect and
network. That's something
that's what's changed our life with podcasting
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is the networking, is the relationships we've been able to
build in these three and a half years, almost
four years that we've been doing this, right? So
everything we've done and you can look at where
we started at, to where we at now, it's
night and day. Like how we started, with what
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equipment we started with, what software we was using.
There was things that we've evolved and grown
as far as now we're producing other stuff.
We're creating logos. We're doing all these different things. Stuff that we
really didn't start. Like, we just started out podcasting
and then it just evolved into creating
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logos, creating shows, producing
shows, doing all these different things. That's because
the key to even podcasting, everything is being able
to research and being open
to different things that come across
throughout your research. Because we always went deeper than
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the average shit we were
doing the YouTube shit. At the time when we was
recording, we also was checking out the analytics and wanting to
know more about that and wanting to know where the
viewers came from or the listeners. We was
always doing it, but at the same time willing to do the work
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behind the scenes to gain more knowledge of what we're doing, what we're about to
get into. It's not like we was techs, it's not like
we was engineers, you know what I'm saying? We just self
taught a lot of. The things we self taught. That
was the fun part is doing that on the fly while learning
both at the same time. Understanding both. Understanding what could get a
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click, understanding what was a view,
how many seconds or minutes they got to watch of your
video before you even got recognition that it was viewed.
Like it's so many things that we would spend time on at the same
time. Help that, help that also helped. Like the
networking, willing to do the research and not expect everybody
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to tell you shit. Just like
the graphic design, like
saying, fuck it, let's do our own book covers and our own
logos and figuring it out and learning software,
all that is stuff that is good. Like I say, if
you're a business owner, then you should know every aspect of your business.
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You should be able to do everything of the business.
So that way in case something happens
and you're the one that's in charge, you don't have to be all frantic.
You could just, I cool. This is what he taught me. This is what he
did and learn and know your business so you could keep it running.
So talking about business, in your journey as an entrepreneur,
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what challenges have you faced and what lessons have you learned
along the way? Challenges is
that we're talking about a. One plus One
Productions property maintenance company. People
are going to hate people ain't going to want to see you prosper as a
black, colored, brown, whatever you want to call
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it. A businessman of a
minority business owner. Getting
your name is everything. Your reputation is
everything. You got to have a niche.
Mine is, I'm going to be 1000% a buck with
you and you're going to get fly work. That's it. But I'm going to be
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me. I learned that you could be yourself.
I embrace that I'm a felon. So I don't go trying to
act like I'm changing my life so that you would think I was
never a street person, a felon.
My customers know because I have
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returning customers, like I'm their guy. And I just
want them to know, like, you could trust me.
I'm lawyer everything that I was in the street, you know what I'm
saying? Those codes and stuff still apply
in business. It's like loyalty. The only
thing that was terrible back then was communication. But now I'm
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better. And most of my customers. I let them
read the book so they know I went through shit.
That's what I learned, too. It's like, for the business that I started with
the property maintenance, for somebody for you to get the
customers that will call you for everything,
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you got to let them know you.
Some people be like, I ain't telling a customer nothing. I'm just doing a
job. Yeah. But my business relies
on people calling me back, the same people,
because I maintain a property. So
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I welcome them understanding who I was and my struggle
and my journey. So I give a book to every
customer that takes interest in even asking anything
about me, my personal life, because most customers don't ask
questions, so I don't really talk. But there's mad customers. You'd be
surprised that just intrigued by
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how I even got into their house. Like how
Marcellus recommend me to go to do
the work at somebody's house. And it's just you got to just
stay. Like, I just don't front. That's it. I'm just
me. And that shit works better
than portraying to be something and then later down the
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line, you just expose yourself to be
this person and people won't call you back.
So it's been a journey. It's interesting and it's fun.
That's like podcast. I like learning. I learn
every day. I gain knowledge every day when I'm around
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customers that I think have some wisdom. I ask questions.
I overcame to just be able to ask a question. And it's
easier when you're working in their house because that's the connection, that's the
bond. They see your interest. So it's cool.
It's just being, stay who you are, man.
Stay who you are. And if you're a fucked up person, then you ain't going
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to be a business person or you might, because I don't know.
There's a lot of fucked up business people, so I don't know how they do
it. I don't know their strategic way of getting but
it worked because this year I'm doing pretty good
compared to last year. Yeah. And I only see it
getting better after this year. So it was a journey, it
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was a struggle. Lot of broke days, a lot of
oodles and noodles,
a lot of those nights. But you got to be ready
to sacrifice something for something. You got to sacrifice
something for something, definitely. If
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not, enjoy what you got. And stop crying.
Yeah, you got to stop crying, man, if you ain't trying to sacrifice
and be like, Why me? Why me? Like, no,
because you ain't doing shit. So
it's just crazy.
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It's crazy. But I feel good now because this month is the
month I'm about to be 50 nigga. I can't be playing around
no more. I got to start looking at separating myself
from the pack. Like, I entertain. I could
fit in with the jump around and act
silly no more. Tired.
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How do you maintain your authenticity? And transparency
while sharing your personal experience and stories with your audience.
Because everything we talk about is real life. Our
experiences, everything we've been through in our life, we don't fake the funk for
nobody. We don't make stories.
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I was I was with you for a minute up in upstate New York. We
did what we did. We was hustling. I escaped.
I got out before a lot of shit. I'm
saying, I fell in love, got married, moved to Florida.
Y'all niggas stood up there, kept doing that thing, and one by
one, I started dropping. Like so I was I was blessed
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in the regard that I got out before the shit hit the
fan. Yeah, me, too. I was happy you got out. And
so how do you
feel we are able to maintain being ourselves
in this realm? Because, you know, everybody's
capping motherfuckers. Stay capping. Stay exaggerated.
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Stay lying about what the fuck they did. They weren't in the streets,
but we were in the streets. I'm saying, niggas
did go down to the city and come back up on the Greyhound with
work. It wasn't like we didn't do that shit, because we did. There was
a few times I was on the Greyhound with some shit in my bag.
And the reason it was me is because I looked like the fucking college
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student. I was the nerd. I was the motherfucker that
had the glasses clean cut. Looked like I fucking belonged in
college. Yeah, I want to fuck cash up for that.
But it's that
we always been this. We come from a line of
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hustlers. It's not hard to listen. Let's not
front. Like, where we come from, we was. Never subjected
to being nobody. Listen, first of all, they didn't want
us in this life. We chose this life. We
chose the path. Your
dad, my brother, my other brothers and all that, they didn't want
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us in this life. They knew what this life was. I'm saying, they definitely
didn't want this for us. They want it better for us. But us being the
knuckleheads that we are and seeing
that life and seeing what that life was about, the money, the
power, the women, we ain't on front. That's what we
saw. That's what we wanted. Yeah, but I never came up
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here with an image. I might have came up here with a name change,
but I still was who I was. A lot of people go
out of town, they get tougher. So
now we came up here, the whole town was fucking with
us. It's not everybody in the clip that the town
fuck with you. You could go anywhere and what up,
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Trey? What up, yo? Come through my
mom's, everybody wasn't just getting welcome
into houses. It's just who we was. Our
upbringing was the main part
of that. So we never came up here like, oh, my name is Trey. But
now I got to act like this guy no, I was me, just a name
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change. You was you just a name change. And
not really, because you just became everybody's uncle. You know
what I'm saying? But even your name was still dignity
of who you was. To us, they're like, oh, you call them
uncle UNC. That was it.
But we came with the upbringing of that village
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that we came from. So when we walk, that's what makes me
more proud of the village that raised me,
because we could walk, and I could go anywhere,
anytime by myself, pop up and still know how to carry
myself. Niggas gonna respect it. Whoever ain't gonna respect it wouldn't have
respected it anyway. Like, there's nothing because I did something that you
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don't respect it. If you didn't like the way I walk, if you didn't like
that my clothes was too loud. If you ain't like that, your girl was looking
like there's a whole thousand reasons why it ain't me not
being just some rude Brooklyn nigga. I could have came up here with the
nickname grimy, and it would have matched Brooklyn
East New York, and I could have just been my boy
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Stiggity styling them niggas and just don't come
through with no smiles ever. But we
ain't those people. Yeah, we ain't those people. So
you got to give all the respect to the village that raised
us that we can maneuver the way we can maneuver, that we can
accept being open or talking to people
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and have respect for the way the communication that we have for others and respect
for others like all that is family. That's when it goes down to the family,
like your family upbringing. What kind of village raised you? Because I
don't blame it on just mom and pop, man. You could have your mom and
dad. You got to have an uncle, aunt, grandma, that
village, or your life ain't going to be
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really that. You don't know what family is. You just know mom and pop.
Yeah. So we was fortunate enough to have a beautiful
village. No, listen, I won ito
days and all that shit. Sundays, we would go to
the baseball park and watch the older generation
go play softball, play baseball, whatever it was.
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Yes, we were a part of a village. We were a part of a community.
And that's what we're striving to build now, because that's what we experience.
We experienced where you did some shit
wrong. Everybody fucking was getting on
your ass. Everybody in the village was getting in your ass. Yeah.
We didn't need cameras. We had neighbors. Listen, we had one of
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the they. Tell you who broke the window.
They could tell your mom how late you was on the ring. You didn't need
a ring. Your neighbor was the ring
camera. It was somebody I was always outside
the window looking and saw. Always could tell you what time
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you walked in the house, what time you left everything.
If you didn't know, you didn't know that there's people watching you
over. You didn't even think to talk
shit. No, you didn't. That's the last thing you
would think about, is being disrespectful to somebody, because you know they
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was going to let Abuela or Margie know or somebody know,
and he was gonna get handled. He was gonna get dealt with. Yeah. Like, then
they used to do mad double jeopardies, man. They send you to the next person
you get. That's what saying. Like, that's one thing I discuss is.
We used to give it was, like. Multiple times for one
offense. One offense got you fucked up
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multiple times. Every time somebody seen you. How the fuck
you talk to your grandma? Like you'd be like, damn.
They got even talk to you every day. You got
multiple fuck ups for one fuck up.
That's just who we are. That's
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why we are the Village. That
was happy. If you think of your childhood, and if
I think of all the most memorable, enjoyable moments, you
had some fucked. Up points in your life. Yes, your mom was on
crack talking. About the I don't need to know. But I'm saying in
general, I'm saying you could have been like, oh, man, my mom was on
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crack. I'd have fucked our lives. But
I think the good outweighed the bad for
us. We had a lot of more good
experiences than we did hat bad. Yeah.
I said, because there was a village, because everybody invited you to
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something, there was always something going on. There was always an event that was
going on within the Village or celebration that everybody was welcome to
partake in. Yeah. So that right there
is a feeling that many probably would never experience
again. Listen, like
I said, we grew up around Hustlers drug dealers. We grew up on that. We
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grew up around that. We knew one of the biggest
drug dealers in East New York. We knew
him. We knew him on a first name basis.
He knew who we were. He helped raise us.
I'll be mad when I think about the people that I know and then
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the shit that the people that I just think about.
That's why I'm on a mission. I am because
of that, because of the doors and the people that
a lot of people never meet, never talk to. Like, I got to
embrace that. And that's why my change and my determination is
(45:35):
different, because I know who my OGS is.
And I told somebody, I said, if there was a
podcast where OGS of everywhere could just come and sit down and give you a
grade, what do you think they would grade you?
There's a certain person I would love to sit down and have him come on
and talk to me now that he's out.
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Listen, I've experienced a lot in my life.
I was 1516 years old, hanging out in
a night spot not getting questioned why I was in
there, any of this. Not a lot of shit I've
experienced is crazy.
It's a movie shit. It's like a lot of shit we've experienced in our lifetime
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is some movie shit. We've seen
the bodies. There's shit in our
lives. That motherfuckers be amazed that your motherfucker is
still around. That's why I don't talk street
shit. Everybody asks me, why would I write a street book?
And I was like, Nah, because my style of writing you would know who I'm
(46:46):
talking about. That's why I never thought
about writing a street book, because people would be shocked. Nigga, if I just
wrote boy, they were like, you was in the room with
what? Not
you not to do. Not you. I'm like, yeah,
nigga. I ain't grimy like that because I said
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Brooklyn. The village saved me.
The village saved me from being one of them grimy niggas.
So
what are some tips you can share with someone who wants to publish
a book, who wants to go into podcasting, who wants to go into
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content creating? What is the tip you can give them to
help them along their way?
Don't I want to say it right.
You can
look for support within your circle,
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but don't let the lack of support
deter you from just pursuing
whatever goal it is. If you're going to put out a book, it's
Amazon Prime. I mean, it's kindle
you could put it out yourself. My first book was unedited.
I just put it out. You could do it.
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What your expectations is got to be according
to the level of
the reasoning for doing it
and just don't care. You got to know that sometimes
you're going to invest in something and look at
it as planting seeds instead of looking at it
(48:36):
as I got to make it right back. If you're calculating to invest
something, money or anything into it,
and the need of that flipping
is like number one, then you should
reconsider and take a minute and think about
if you really understand that this is a process.
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Putting out a book is a process. Starting a podcast is a
podcast. Starting a business is a
process unless you already got the financial
backing and major support. But if you just want to start
something, just got to understand, you got to go in and
you're going to lose some supporters. You're going
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to end up in some situations that you thought was your best
friend might be somebody you have to distance yourself from.
It's just so many things that come with it. But you ain't supposed to
stop because somebody else is pursuing
theirs. And if you got enough time to help somebody pursue
theirs, then you should at least have some time to at least begin
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to pursue yours. You could do both.
That's a key thing, too. You could support somebody and
still be doing something. You could do both
because one hand washes the other. You just got to know that the person you
support and supports what you're doing, and it's just more about
really not putting too much expectation on others
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because it's your dream and you can't expect people to understand
your vision. You could paint the picture for them, but
to be disappointed that they don't understand is selfish.
Everybody can't relate because you're a visionary. It's
your idea. I don't mind sharing my
ideas because I don't care who tries to pirate
(50:28):
it. It's never going to be the same because I know what my
mind and my vision. People don't think like
that. People don't coordinate like that.
They're going to try to copycat. And that shit right
there is just you don't want to be a copycat because it may sound
fun, it takes a lot of extra work, but the longevity is going to be
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short. So unless you're making a lot of money back fast, your investment ain't
going to be it. You ain't going to recoup your investment.
All right, we're almost wrapping up the show, but what
advice would you give someone who
aspires to live a plush life and
create a positive impact in their communities?
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You got to have empathy. You got to be able first of. All, let's tell
them what plush means for people out there. Let them
know what plush means. Plush means peace, love,
unity. And the way I put it, that came up
because for me, if you come in
peace, you'll acquire love. If
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you acquire the love that's already building the unity.
Unity is success. That is the success.
It's the unity. The bigger the unity, the more the
unity, the more success will fall upon everybody.
And that's happiness. That's everybody's happiness.
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That's what they want. They want to be successful. It's not
rich. Successful. And unity will
allow you for everybody to be successful.
So that right there is just
my belief chart. That's my belief chart. Everybody could have
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their religious beliefs and all that, but this is like, for
me, is a universal I don't care what color you are, what
race, what country, what island, whatever you from.
This is the formula, period. Like peace brings upon
love. Yeah. And love brings upon unity,
and unity brings upon success. And that's happiness.
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And that's the plush life for me. I ain't trying to be greedy. I don't
want more than you. I don't care if you got more. Just want to be
able to know that we could live in peace and we care for
one another. And that shit right there, that's when you got to start
buying land so you could create your village. And that's plush. That's
how you can act in a world of madness, even if it's just for
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a short time, because haters and
everything, you know, the world
and that right there is a void of
color. I didn't say family, I didn't say
friends. Said peace amongst
whoever that's the community. It's not a
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segregation. I don't want to be segregated. I don't want to fucking live with
just black and brown people. Like, I want
culture, want different cultures. And that is
peace. That's what we're here for. We all have different cultures. That's for
learning, for understanding, gaining better knowledge,
interacting, getting a taste of their culture. You sharing your culture.
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That is living life, that's experience in life.
We all in this world and everybody's segregated.
What life is that? That should sound like jail.
This has been a great conversation. Thank you for being now you get the solo
layout, let everybody know where they can find you, your book,
(54:11):
everything.
Thank you for listening. You can find the book on Amazon.
Ibook the plush life from prison to
peace.
I'm gearing up to start a
show, but it's going to be Patreon exclusive because I have
(54:34):
a lot of crazy shit that I just want to get off my chest therapeutic
wise. But I don't mind sharing it on Patreon, but I'm just not
going to give it to YouTube. You could find Poppy
J and Y zefe on Roku TV
Fridays. Tonight.
The BS Three Network. BS three network. They have to
(54:56):
download the BS Three Network on the Roku device or your stick, whatever
it is. See that promo
and that's basically it. You can find me on
threads. Bobby J. 73,
instagram, bobbyj 73.
(55:16):
That's it. I dissociated myself from a lot of social
real wise. Check out realwiseproductions.com.
Yes, go to realwiseproduction.com. This
is me saying subscribe, asking
subscribe. Join the email list.
Everything communicate. You'll
(55:39):
get a weekly email from us. Support us with
topics. I would love more interaction. I would at
least love a better. Gauge of what the audience wants.
Yes. Yeah, I mean, therapeutic, that'll be Patreon,
but for the audience and the show to better the show. If you believe in
the show and you would like to see it grow, we would love for some
(56:00):
more audience participation, whether it be
ideas, whether it be a quick topics
whatever, or live call.
Never thought about that. But thank
you. Somebody.
I greatly appreciate you being on, brother, it's been a
(56:23):
pleasure. Episode 200, worry about it. I'll be here for
episode 300.
Let me just close out the show, man. See,
I usually shout out the real Wise production team, but one of them is here.
So shout out to Brandy J. Shout out to the boss lady,
phoenix, I love you and appreciate you. Shout out to everybody who's a fan of
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Poppy J and Wise and heifer show stuck in my mind, everything
that we produce. Thank you for the support.
Thank you to the BS Three Network for believing in us and giving us an
opportunity to showcase our talents. Shout out to my man
Brian Snow. My man Cole Johnson.
Shout out to all the essential workers out there. God bless you, be
(57:07):
safe. You know how your boy wise does it.
Peace out.
Stuck in my mind. Podcast. This is for the Eddie for the
audio version. But I'm so excited because
my next guest was actually my first guest on my
first episode, which was like five minutes long. He's been a
part of this journey with me from the beginning. He's a
published author, podcaster content creator,
(01:08):
my brother, my nephew,
whatever. Welcome to the show,
my man. My partner,
Anthony J gonzalez, aka. Poppy
J. What's going on over there?
What's up? What's going on, man?
(01:30):
Listen, like I said, you've been a part of this journey with me since day
one, episode one of Stuck in my mom podcast, even though
it was like five, six minutes, you and me introducing the
episode, even though we did do a reintroduction
episode. Oh, yeah, we did
afterwards. And we added that to the first episode.
(01:53):
But that was just us showing the growth of the
podcast from episode one to that point in
time. But I'm excited, man. Episode 200
podcast. I was thinking about that the other day. I said damn.
200. That's just
audio. I've recorded way
(02:15):
more than that. I have a bunch of episodes that I've recorded that didn't
get released. They're in the archives.
I've recorded more than 200 episodes, especially with
doing the transformation to
video and YouTube and all that stuff. So I've done more than
200 episodes. But to release, as
(02:39):
far as audio, this is going to be number 200. It will go up as
video as well. But we just wanted to celebrate
200 of the audio podcast. So
let's just jump right into it, bro. All right, so we're going to start off
with this, man. Tell us where you came up with the concept
of plus life and how has it shaped your approach to life and success?
(03:04):
I came up with it in prison because
it had to be a better life than prison.
And
being a good person with good
intentions, not trying to get over on people,
(03:25):
not trying to manipulate a situation, just being a
good person. And honestly,
just being the person I am
that opened up so many doors for different connections that I probably would
have never been able to
meet, be a part of if I
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didn't change. And just believe that as long as
I do good and work on my happiness, then
everything else around me will start to fall in place.
Yeah, because we still have some partners
that ain't changed their lives
in the 30 plus years or whatever we've been
(04:10):
doing. Whatever we've been doing. But
tell me what's been like to
see that you've decided to
change. You decided to change your environment, decided to change what you
did. You started a business. You published your second
book. How
(04:32):
do you feel? The people that used to run with before
look at you now, how they perceive you? I know you
don't really give a fuck what they think,
but tell me,
how do you feel that they've perceived you and
looked at you now that you've decided to go the
(04:54):
entrepreneurship route, escape the streets
and live a better life. At first I
used to think that
they didn't believe in me
or whatever I was trying to do was
unattainable. Because it's something
(05:17):
that you either got to be of that cloth or you're
not of that cloth. To take sacrifices and
invest in something and it's not really something that's going to bring you back
money fast or believe that if you stick to what
you're doing, you're going to prosper in that area.
And a lot of people is like
(05:39):
microwave got to be fast. Any idea you have, any
transformation you have, it has to be something that they could see something
fast. As far as me being like
walking a different walk,
I think it's more me at first I used to
(06:00):
think niggas are just stupid, lazy,
but it's really just they don't
have no their ambition
is in the wrong. They just are not ready for
something like that. That's not how I come I believe the way I believe when
I come to the world as a whole. And peace
(06:25):
is not sacrifice is probably the thing that
scares people the most because everybody's got an
image sacrificing change. Yeah. So
because I realized now that there's no change.
One, it's disappointing because you have to cut people
off. I didn't realize that
(06:46):
until actually the beginning of this month.
You don't really cut people off. You know what is it's not that you cut
people off. You're in a different space
and you're in different energy. So those people
tend to vibrate out of your life. Like I'm saying, you're in a whole different
space in a whole different mental place. So
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you're going to attract people that are like minded and are doing
the same thing you do and want the same things that you do.
And a lot of the people that we know are stuck in
their ways. They haven't evolved, they haven't grown,
they haven't decided that this isn't for me and
it's time for change. And that's one thing we talked about
(07:31):
sacrificing change. People are afraid of these changes
because they are afraid of the unknown. They don't want to fail or
whatever it is.
What I say to that all that is
true. All that is true. But you have to
cut them off because they don't realize that they're becoming
(07:54):
more. What I've
learned from really happening because when you decide to start a business, when
you decide to quit your job, there's no time for
play, there's no time for the entertainment.
There's really no time for that because you're trying to get something off the ground
and if you ain't going to give it 100%, that is never going to get
(08:15):
off the ground. And I realized that between last year and this
year. So now that
I know what it takes and now that I know
there's potential in it.
The interactions. Like you said, if you ain't like
minded, then there's no conversation. I don't even know how to
(08:38):
joke. I don't know what to talk to you about. And they're
oblivious to the fact that that change and
that different style of communication that I'm delivering
now where it's very little. I'm not entertaining
the street news or gossip. That's all
(08:59):
they got. That's all they got is the gossip and what's
going on in the world, and they think everybody wants to hear that shit, and
that's not the case. I had to cut a
pickup, and I mean, cut them off is just present
what I like, let them know where I'm at today. Reintroduce myself.
I had to reintroduce myself to people that I know and care
(09:21):
about. All that shit
gone. This is who I am. I'm telling you who I am. If
you don't respect who I am, then you ain't got to come around me. But
this is who I am. Yeah. So I had to cut people off. I had
to let them know that's one. That's why
even it's tough, because I realize if you're trying
(09:43):
to get up, you're going to leave a lot of people
behind because they're never going to understand your mission. Like,
if you're really trying to get up, if you're
really pursuing your dreams, you can't sit there and think that you're going to take
everybody with you. Not on the initial run. No.
The initial run, you got to burn rubber and they can't keep
(10:05):
up. You can't worry about they trip. You got to keep burning rubber. And
that's what I've been struggling with. And that's what I just came to
peace with. I've been
struggling for the last couple of months with. Is that
a good decision? Is it right? Can you do it without having to
sacrifice? And the answer is
(10:26):
no, because it stagnates you.
It stagnates the growth. If you sit there and really try
to keep looking back to help somebody or keep looking back to be a part
of something, it stagnates the growth. And
I came to a piece with it. If you don't respect it, you don't
respect it. I'm not going to lose no sleep. You know what I'm saying? There's
(10:48):
an end result. It's a bigger picture to it. It's not a
selfish act. So I'm good as long as I know that
it's not a selfish act. And this benefits more if I just
keep my head forward and keep it pushing.
Okay, so as an author, podcaster,
and content creator, how do you balance these creative endeavors
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and stay inspired to produce engaging content?
That's where you come in at.
That's where you come in at, because like you said, we've been doing this from
the beginning for
full disclosure.
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Whoever could help at the time helps and holds it down for the
other person. So
that's the support. Honestly, that's the support
that keeps me knowing
you particularly, because I know because you are no
bullshit, no game. You ain't with the
(11:54):
bullshit. So for you to be as supportive
as you are to me, lets me know there's no
bullshit, can't bullshit. I got to be on debt. If he say record,
if you say this, if you say this, if I got to figure it out,
make sure that I don't never have to tell you no. And
that's just the balance. We know the
(12:16):
mission. We know there's different
departments that we all focus in on, and we just come
together with it. So it's like not as a
heavier load, as one would think, because
they have a real supporter, somebody really down a
partner, somebody that understand, yo, I might be up one month. You might
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be up one month. Let's take care of this. But the mission is the mission.
We stay focused. And that right there.
And my sister I can't say my sister has been very
instrumental in my little mental thing I was going through,
because she's up close and personal. So sometimes I could duck
you,
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sometimes I could duck you, and I have to deal with life. Sometimes they'll
just stay in my own head, and then my sister will pop up like, nigga,
get out your head. I'm looking to you so you
can't get stuck. So now it's just
different. It's nice. And
like my sister has said, son, you could start with 50 people, but
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by the time you ball down to, you should be expecting to be around at
least five, because people ain't going to
along the journey, there's a different level of struggle that somebody may
not be able to handle. So you can't sit there and
think that the whole crew is going now. If whoever the five get
there now, we could go regroup, and now at least we know what
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position to put everybody in, because we know their
max, what struggle is going to break them.
Everything right now is observation. So you still love the people you have to
cut off for a minute, but you just want to see
it's more about there's just a loyalty. You don't got to respect
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what I'm doing, but there's a loyalty factor that has to
remain in place for me to make a uturn and come back for
you. There's a little loyalty,
whether it's don't support but stay silent,
don't hate like shit like that.
You know how it is in the world. You'll hear a rumor, you'll hear something,
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depending on who it come back from, you know the validity of how true it
could be, because only certain people could say certain things about
us. And everything right
now is just staying focused.
About to go really hard with this podcast thing, the
Patreon page. I really need it. I haven't done it in a while,
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and I feel like that really is my
therapy. So I haven't been going to therapy. So I've been a
little just I always get stuck in
myself or in a moment of just where I'm lost, like, feel like
I'm in the in between or something.
So now it's just remove
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the heavy weight, dead weight on the shoulders,
box out everybody that's not on board, and just
keep it pushing. And then I'll see you at the crossroad.
It sounds good, but it was one of my toughest
hurdles was knowing that I got to dismiss
myself from people. I bet better than saying cutting
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people off. I just had to remove myself from situations.
And some of the situations is tough because of the pieces that's
involved in that situation.
All right, so can you tell us a little
something about what inspired you guys to start? Inspire
us to start. Probably J and Wise and hefe show.
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And how do you and your co host, Wise and Hefe
bring your unique perspectives to the podcast?
I think it's bound because I don't reason because people
like hearing us talk.
See, what I realize and what I like to lean
into is the fact that you really are my
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uncle. So when we talk,
there's no faking shit. You know who I am. I know you is
there's nothing to fake. So
it's different than friends be doing a podcast. There's
a respect level even, that you could
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see or feel within our show.
So there's so many different nuances to us doing a show
together that show so many different angles.
Your older nephew, he show holds mad respect to
his uncle. Like, who respects their uncle these
days?
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You know, saying, who respect? Especially if he's younger, like, Shut up, little
nigga. So
there's class to it, as wild as we may get sometimes
due to certain idiotic topics, but
there's class. It's not idiotic topics. It's more idiotic
people. The topic is because of
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the
A, there's a relaxation feel.
You and Cole got a good thing. But we
have the fact that we really grew up together,
that we really. And it was like, from the
beginning when we did the first couple of episodes, even when
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you come on and you would co host with me, when I had lee on
and other guests, people would be what? When y'all going to do
a show together? That was always the question is, Yo, y'all gonna do a show
together? Because the chemistry you two guys have but the thing is, because we know
each other, we've raised together. We know each other. We
know when one is bullshit. We know one of us is lying.
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We know we know. So that's why the
chemistry is there, because, again, we've known each other our. Whole lives,
and it's Odd Couple. Yeah, I compare assess
to the odd couple. Yes. You're Felix
Unger and I'm Oscar Madison. Yes, I've pointed that
out. But I say the odd couple. But I want to reword that
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because it's not really the Odd Couple. It is the odd couple. It is.
Listen, we both know I am Oscar Madison. I
am
Oscar Madison. I will not deny that. I've never denied, I've never
lied that you are Felix Unger. You have the
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OCD. You have to make sure everything is perfect, clean,
right? You're felix unger. Me, on the other
hand, you look at my desk, it is a fucking mess. You
right. I've
never denied I'm Oscar Madison. I was about to say I had, like but there's
a right outside of that when it
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comes to us.
You're like that conscience that I know when I'm on my
bullshit. You know what I'm saying? Like, on the side of the show, like, nigga,
if you fuck this up, I will fuck you up.
You know what I'm saying? And then there's a side of conscious
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on your side, like when somebody just fucks with you on the wrong day. You
just be like, Men, I just want to slap the shit out this nigga. You
got to talk to yourself down. You got to let
your bobby chill out. Don't whisper this in my ear right now. I'm going
to take this nigga head off.
That's what I'm saying. That's because we grew up together,
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so that starts to reflect in us
talking to each other. So that right there,
I think is cool. I think it's really different just because of that.
Just because everybody else is podcasted with
friends, people that they knew. So
they working on that shit live through the show.
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When we come through, it's like
and we just start going. So there's a
different aspect for people to look at or get a
vibe from off of two
niggas from the hood that is family and been through
some shit and seen some shit. It's not like we
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ain't talking about none. We ain't live. We
live it. We give our opinion on these
topics based on how we came up in life.
So that's the ill thing about the show,
and it's been holding me down since I get this
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new place, because I haven't been podcasting in between
places, but this is like my little
once a week for me to at least get something off my chest.
Like, this topic you started with today was what I was thinking about for
the last month. So you coming with these questions.
Got AI watching me or something, man. How you knew I need
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to talk about these people, cutting
people off, like the struggle I'm going through right now. Because it's all a
part of our journey, man. This is everything we've experienced together
going. When we started, we
had people running with us. And now, right now, it's me
and you. Brandy's got a situation, so she's been off for a while.
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We had your brother with us for a minute. He kind of fell
off, and we just kept going. We've been rocking, man.
We've had a couple of our boys stop by and they want to
be. A part of it. Talking is hard for these dudes,
man. They be in character mode, man. Talking really
ain't a fashion show. Don't come in on some suave shit.
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Get to talking. And talking real is
dangerous.
How has podcasting influenced your personal growth
and allowed you to connect with a broader audience?
Because
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people are more
as much as there's people online or people
podcasting that's always got a gimmick to try to get you on their
side but never reciprocate. There's just as
many people that just share knowledge,
offer up wisdom, insight to things,
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willing to talk to you about or willing to answer questions.
And podcasting prior to podcasting,
I probably would have never even thought to ask just people questions.
I probably wouldn't know what people you could ask these questions to.
But now your network is so much, just so many people
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that's willing to assist that you
don't know which was the biggest
baffle for me. Because all the people that you do know
that you loyal to don't assist nearly in the
way that the people we came across and interacted with
assist even with just thoughts, even if it's just a simple
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question to something we're doing or a thought that they think about what
we're doing. You don't get that from the people you see you
sit around every day or see or talk to. They won't even mention
nothing about this show. I
could talk to almost everybody I fuck with or
used to fuck with or just a part of my circle that I'm distancing
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myself from. And not one of them asked me about a podcast,
the book, the company,
nothing. Well, the company, yes, because everybody wants
me to just give them jobs or let them get down with me so
that they could make the equal amount that I'm making for doing
nothing.
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It's just crazy. It's crazy. And the
podcast network is just a good vibe.
It's a good community to be a part of.
That's it. Plus, I ain't stupid. I know the
trajectory of the world and the podcast is it. So
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I need new friends. Indeed. The friends I got, they could stay
right there in the hood and keep on hanging. I got to go.
I got to go. I don't know about anybody else, but there's things that
need must be done.
I could do it later. What we're doing must be
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done. How we're doing it must be done. The
path we take must be done. There's nothing to
question like whatever struggles or hurdles that's in our
way. We must get over them. So
that's it, man. We just got to keep it
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pushing. Keep it pushing. All right,
so can you tell me what's your favorite episode of the
Poppy? J and wise and hefe show which one is
one that stands out in your mind that you feel kind of had an
impact with the audience or just you feel like is one
of our best pieces of work. You want me to be
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honest? Yeah. The one that's going to drop
today,
you I can't wait to see what
the one that's going to drop today? I said some
shit. I thought about it when I was driving. See, I text you like, yo,
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edit. Some of that out. No beef. Right? Now,
you can't say fuck certain entities.
I felt it and you can't say it. But it's not always
wise to just. Run with put a target on our
backs. Now, I men, it's going to solely be my
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back. But I don't need
nothing on my back, right? I'm just getting rid of some dead weight. I don't
need nothing added to my shit. But this
episode I'm looking forward to seeing because
it's just topics, certain topics.
We really the last few episodes. I do like the Shannon sharp
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one. That was a good one. That was a
good look. The Brittany
Griner one was pretty. I'm not going to sit here act like I don't know
what ones was my favorite. There's some good ones out there. The
Brittany Griner one was? Yeah, the Brittany Griner
one. There's some ones. Listen,
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we've grown from the beginning to now
shout out to the BS Three network for housing
the first season and a half of Poppy, J, and Wise. It is also
now on real Wise TV as well. But
it's been an amazing trip being able to do
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the show with you and just the content, even
though I produce the show. But yeah, just the content and the stuff that
we put together and work together on. It's just been a
great journey, man. Yeah, this journey has
been life changing. Tell you the truth.
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This is a journey that's been life changing. Oh, listen,
podfest. The last two podfests we've attended have been
altering. It really has set us up to
succeed because we learned so much. We got to connect and
network. That's something
that's what's changed our life with podcasting
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is the networking, is the relationships we've been able to
build in these three and a half years, almost
four years that we've been doing this, right? So
everything we've done and you can look at where
we started at, to where we at now, it's
night and day. Like how we started, with what
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equipment we started with, what software we was using.
There was things that we've evolved and grown
as far as now we're producing other stuff.
We're creating logos. We're doing all these different things. Stuff that we
really didn't start. Like, we just started out podcasting
and then it just evolved into creating
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logos, creating shows, producing
shows, doing all these different things. That's because
the key to even podcasting, everything is being able
to research and being open
to different things that come across
throughout your research. Because we always went deeper than
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the average shit we were
doing the YouTube shit. At the time when we was
recording, we also was checking out the analytics and wanting to
know more about that and wanting to know where the
viewers came from or the listeners. We was
always doing it, but at the same time willing to do the work
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behind the scenes to gain more knowledge of what we're doing, what we're about to
get into. It's not like we was techs, it's not like
we was engineers, you know what I'm saying? We just self
taught a lot of. The things we self taught. That
was the fun part is doing that on the fly while learning
both at the same time. Understanding both. Understanding what could get a
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click, understanding what was a view,
how many seconds or minutes they got to watch of your
video before you even got recognition that it was viewed.
Like it's so many things that we would spend time on at the same
time. Help that, help that also helped. Like the
networking, willing to do the research and not expect everybody
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to tell you shit. Just like
the graphic design, like
saying, fuck it, let's do our own book covers and our own
logos and figuring it out and learning software,
all that is stuff that is good. Like I say, if
you're a business owner, then you should know every aspect of your business.
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You should be able to do everything of the business.
So that way in case something happens
and you're the one that's in charge, you don't have to be all frantic.
You could just, I cool. This is what he taught me. This is what he
did and learn and know your business so you could keep it running.
So talking about business, in your journey as an entrepreneur,
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what challenges have you faced and what lessons have you learned
along the way? Challenges is
that we're talking about a. One plus One
Productions property maintenance company. People
are going to hate people ain't going to want to see you prosper as a
black, colored, brown, whatever you want to call
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it. A businessman of a
minority business owner. Getting
your name is everything. Your reputation is
everything. You got to have a niche.
Mine is, I'm going to be 1000% a buck with
you and you're going to get fly work. That's it. But I'm going to be
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me. I learned that you could be yourself.
I embrace that I'm a felon. So I don't go trying to
act like I'm changing my life so that you would think I was
never a street person, a felon.
My customers know because I have
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returning customers, like I'm their guy. And I just
want them to know, like, you could trust me.
I'm lawyer everything that I was in the street, you know what I'm
saying? Those codes and stuff still apply
in business. It's like loyalty. The only
thing that was terrible back then was communication. But now I'm
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better. And most of my customers. I let them
read the book so they know I went through shit.
That's what I learned, too. It's like, for the business that I started with
the property maintenance, for somebody for you to get the
customers that will call you for everything,
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you got to let them know you.
Some people be like, I ain't telling a customer nothing. I'm just doing a
job. Yeah. But my business relies
on people calling me back, the same people,
because I maintain a property. So
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I welcome them understanding who I was and my struggle
and my journey. So I give a book to every
customer that takes interest in even asking anything
about me, my personal life, because most customers don't ask
questions, so I don't really talk. But there's mad customers. You'd be
surprised that just intrigued by
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how I even got into their house. Like how
Marcellus recommend me to go to do
the work at somebody's house. And it's just you got to just
stay. Like, I just don't front. That's it. I'm just
me. And that shit works better
than portraying to be something and then later down the
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line, you just expose yourself to be
this person and people won't call you back.
So it's been a journey. It's interesting and it's fun.
That's like podcast. I like learning. I learn
every day. I gain knowledge every day when I'm around
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customers that I think have some wisdom. I ask questions.
I overcame to just be able to ask a question. And it's
easier when you're working in their house because that's the connection, that's the
bond. They see your interest. So it's cool.
It's just being, stay who you are, man.
Stay who you are. And if you're a fucked up person, then you ain't going
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to be a business person or you might, because I don't know.
There's a lot of fucked up business people, so I don't know how they do
it. I don't know their strategic way of getting but
it worked because this year I'm doing pretty good
compared to last year. Yeah. And I only see it
getting better after this year. So it was a journey, it
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was a struggle. Lot of broke days, a lot of
oodles and noodles,
a lot of those nights. But you got to be ready
to sacrifice something for something. You got to sacrifice
something for something, definitely. If
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not, enjoy what you got. And stop crying.
Yeah, you got to stop crying, man, if you ain't trying to sacrifice
and be like, Why me? Why me? Like, no,
because you ain't doing shit. So
it's just crazy.
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It's crazy. But I feel good now because this month is the
month I'm about to be 50 nigga. I can't be playing around
no more. I got to start looking at separating myself
from the pack. Like, I entertain. I could
fit in with the jump around and act
silly no more. Tired.
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How do you maintain your authenticity? And transparency
while sharing your personal experience and stories with your audience.
Because everything we talk about is real life. Our
experiences, everything we've been through in our life, we don't fake the funk for
nobody. We don't make stories.
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I was I was with you for a minute up in upstate New York. We
did what we did. We was hustling. I escaped.
I got out before a lot of shit. I'm
saying, I fell in love, got married, moved to Florida.
Y'all niggas stood up there, kept doing that thing, and one by
one, I started dropping. Like so I was I was blessed
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in the regard that I got out before the shit hit the
fan. Yeah, me, too. I was happy you got out. And
so how do you
feel we are able to maintain being ourselves
in this realm? Because, you know, everybody's
capping motherfuckers. Stay capping. Stay exaggerated.
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Stay lying about what the fuck they did. They weren't in the streets,
but we were in the streets. I'm saying, niggas
did go down to the city and come back up on the Greyhound with
work. It wasn't like we didn't do that shit, because we did. There was
a few times I was on the Greyhound with some shit in my bag.
And the reason it was me is because I looked like the fucking college
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student. I was the nerd. I was the motherfucker that
had the glasses clean cut. Looked like I fucking belonged in
college. Yeah, I want to fuck cash up for that.
But it's that
we always been this. We come from a line of
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hustlers. It's not hard to listen. Let's not
front. Like, where we come from, we was. Never subjected
to being nobody. Listen, first of all, they didn't want
us in this life. We chose this life. We
chose the path. Your
dad, my brother, my other brothers and all that, they didn't want
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us in this life. They knew what this life was. I'm saying, they definitely
didn't want this for us. They want it better for us. But us being the
knuckleheads that we are and seeing
that life and seeing what that life was about, the money, the
power, the women, we ain't on front. That's what we
saw. That's what we wanted. Yeah, but I never came up
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here with an image. I might have came up here with a name change,
but I still was who I was. A lot of people go
out of town, they get tougher. So
now we came up here, the whole town was fucking with
us. It's not everybody in the clip that the town
fuck with you. You could go anywhere and what up,
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Trey? What up, yo? Come through my
mom's, everybody wasn't just getting welcome
into houses. It's just who we was. Our
upbringing was the main part
of that. So we never came up here like, oh, my name is Trey. But
now I got to act like this guy no, I was me, just a name
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change. You was you just a name change. And
not really, because you just became everybody's uncle. You know
what I'm saying? But even your name was still dignity
of who you was. To us, they're like, oh, you call them
uncle UNC. That was it.
But we came with the upbringing of that village
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that we came from. So when we walk, that's what makes me
more proud of the village that raised me,
because we could walk, and I could go anywhere,
anytime by myself, pop up and still know how to carry
myself. Niggas gonna respect it. Whoever ain't gonna respect it wouldn't have
respected it anyway. Like, there's nothing because I did something that you
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don't respect it. If you didn't like the way I walk, if you didn't like
that my clothes was too loud. If you ain't like that, your girl was looking
like there's a whole thousand reasons why it ain't me not
being just some rude Brooklyn nigga. I could have came up here with the
nickname grimy, and it would have matched Brooklyn
East New York, and I could have just been my boy
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Stiggity styling them niggas and just don't come
through with no smiles ever. But we
ain't those people. Yeah, we ain't those people. So
you got to give all the respect to the village that raised
us that we can maneuver the way we can maneuver, that we can
accept being open or talking to people
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and have respect for the way the communication that we have for others and respect
for others like all that is family. That's when it goes down to the family,
like your family upbringing. What kind of village raised you? Because I
don't blame it on just mom and pop, man. You could have your mom and
dad. You got to have an uncle, aunt, grandma, that
village, or your life ain't going to be
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really that. You don't know what family is. You just know mom and pop.
Yeah. So we was fortunate enough to have a beautiful
village. No, listen, I won ito
days and all that shit. Sundays, we would go to
the baseball park and watch the older generation
go play softball, play baseball, whatever it was.
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Yes, we were a part of a village. We were a part of a community.
And that's what we're striving to build now, because that's what we experience.
We experienced where you did some shit
wrong. Everybody fucking was getting on
your ass. Everybody in the village was getting in your ass. Yeah.
We didn't need cameras. We had neighbors. Listen, we had one of
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the they. Tell you who broke the window.
They could tell your mom how late you was on the ring. You didn't need
a ring. Your neighbor was the ring
camera. It was somebody I was always outside
the window looking and saw. Always could tell you what time
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you walked in the house, what time you left everything.
If you didn't know, you didn't know that there's people watching you
over. You didn't even think to talk
shit. No, you didn't. That's the last thing you
would think about, is being disrespectful to somebody, because you know they
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was going to let Abuela or Margie know or somebody know,
and he was gonna get handled. He was gonna get dealt with. Yeah. Like, then
they used to do mad double jeopardies, man. They send you to the next person
you get. That's what saying. Like, that's one thing I discuss is.
We used to give it was, like. Multiple times for one
offense. One offense got you fucked up
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multiple times. Every time somebody seen you. How the fuck
you talk to your grandma? Like you'd be like, damn.
They got even talk to you every day. You got
multiple fuck ups for one fuck up.
That's just who we are. That's
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why we are the Village. That
was happy. If you think of your childhood, and if
I think of all the most memorable, enjoyable moments, you
had some fucked. Up points in your life. Yes, your mom was on
crack talking. About the I don't need to know. But I'm saying in
general, I'm saying you could have been like, oh, man, my mom was on
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crack. I'd have fucked our lives. But
I think the good outweighed the bad for
us. We had a lot of more good
experiences than we did hat bad. Yeah.
I said, because there was a village, because everybody invited you to
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something, there was always something going on. There was always an event that was
going on within the Village or celebration that everybody was welcome to
partake in. Yeah. So that right there
is a feeling that many probably would never experience
again. Listen, like
I said, we grew up around Hustlers drug dealers. We grew up on that. We
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grew up around that. We knew one of the biggest
drug dealers in East New York. We knew
him. We knew him on a first name basis.
He knew who we were. He helped raise us.
I'll be mad when I think about the people that I know and then
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the shit that the people that I just think about.
That's why I'm on a mission. I am because
of that, because of the doors and the people that
a lot of people never meet, never talk to. Like, I got to
embrace that. And that's why my change and my determination is
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different, because I know who my OGS is.
And I told somebody, I said, if there was a
podcast where OGS of everywhere could just come and sit down and give you a
grade, what do you think they would grade you?
There's a certain person I would love to sit down and have him come on
and talk to me now that he's out.
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Listen, I've experienced a lot in my life.
I was 1516 years old, hanging out in
a night spot not getting questioned why I was in
there, any of this. Not a lot of shit I've
experienced is crazy.
It's a movie shit. It's like a lot of shit we've experienced in our lifetime
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is some movie shit. We've seen
the bodies. There's shit in our
lives. That motherfuckers be amazed that your motherfucker is
still around. That's why I don't talk street
shit. Everybody asks me, why would I write a street book?
And I was like, Nah, because my style of writing you would know who I'm
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talking about. That's why I never thought
about writing a street book, because people would be shocked. Nigga, if I just
wrote boy, they were like, you was in the room with
what? Not
you not to do. Not you. I'm like, yeah,
nigga. I ain't grimy like that because I said
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Brooklyn. The village saved me.
The village saved me from being one of them grimy niggas.
So
what are some tips you can share with someone who wants to publish
a book, who wants to go into podcasting, who wants to go into
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content creating? What is the tip you can give them to
help them along their way?
Don't I want to say it right.
You can
look for support within your circle,
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but don't let the lack of support
deter you from just pursuing
whatever goal it is. If you're going to put out a book, it's
Amazon Prime. I mean, it's kindle
you could put it out yourself. My first book was unedited.
I just put it out. You could do it.
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What your expectations is got to be according
to the level of
the reasoning for doing it
and just don't care. You got to know that sometimes
you're going to invest in something and look at
it as planting seeds instead of looking at it
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as I got to make it right back. If you're calculating to invest
something, money or anything into it,
and the need of that flipping
is like number one, then you should
reconsider and take a minute and think about
if you really understand that this is a process.
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Putting out a book is a process. Starting a podcast is a
podcast. Starting a business is a
process unless you already got the financial
backing and major support. But if you just want to start
something, just got to understand, you got to go in and
you're going to lose some supporters. You're going
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to end up in some situations that you thought was your best
friend might be somebody you have to distance yourself from.
It's just so many things that come with it. But you ain't supposed to
stop because somebody else is pursuing
theirs. And if you got enough time to help somebody pursue
theirs, then you should at least have some time to at least begin
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to pursue yours. You could do both.
That's a key thing, too. You could support somebody and
still be doing something. You could do both
because one hand washes the other. You just got to know that the person you
support and supports what you're doing, and it's just more about
really not putting too much expectation on others
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because it's your dream and you can't expect people to understand
your vision. You could paint the picture for them, but
to be disappointed that they don't understand is selfish.
Everybody can't relate because you're a visionary. It's
your idea. I don't mind sharing my
ideas because I don't care who tries to pirate
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it. It's never going to be the same because I know what my
mind and my vision. People don't think like
that. People don't coordinate like that.
They're going to try to copycat. And that shit right
there is just you don't want to be a copycat because it may sound
fun, it takes a lot of extra work, but the longevity is going to be
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short. So unless you're making a lot of money back fast, your investment ain't
going to be it. You ain't going to recoup your investment.
All right, we're almost wrapping up the show, but what
advice would you give someone who
aspires to live a plush life and
create a positive impact in their communities?
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You got to have empathy. You got to be able first of. All, let's tell
them what plush means for people out there. Let them
know what plush means. Plush means peace, love,
unity. And the way I put it, that came up
because for me, if you come in
peace, you'll acquire love. If
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you acquire the love that's already building the unity.
Unity is success. That is the success.
It's the unity. The bigger the unity, the more the
unity, the more success will fall upon everybody.
And that's happiness. That's everybody's happiness.
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That's what they want. They want to be successful. It's not
rich. Successful. And unity will
allow you for everybody to be successful.
So that right there is just
my belief chart. That's my belief chart. Everybody could have
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their religious beliefs and all that, but this is like, for
me, is a universal I don't care what color you are, what
race, what country, what island, whatever you from.
This is the formula, period. Like peace brings upon
love. Yeah. And love brings upon unity,
and unity brings upon success. And that's happiness.
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And that's the plush life for me. I ain't trying to be greedy. I don't
want more than you. I don't care if you got more. Just want to be
able to know that we could live in peace and we care for
one another. And that shit right there, that's when you got to start
buying land so you could create your village. And that's plush. That's
how you can act in a world of madness, even if it's just for
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a short time, because haters and
everything, you know, the world
and that right there is a void of
color. I didn't say family, I didn't say
friends. Said peace amongst
whoever that's the community. It's not a
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segregation. I don't want to be segregated. I don't want to fucking live with
just black and brown people. Like, I want
culture, want different cultures. And that is
peace. That's what we're here for. We all have different cultures. That's for
learning, for understanding, gaining better knowledge,
interacting, getting a taste of their culture. You sharing your culture.
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That is living life, that's experience in life.
We all in this world and everybody's segregated.
What life is that? That should sound like jail.
This has been a great conversation. Thank you for being now you get the solo
layout, let everybody know where they can find you, your book,
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everything.
Thank you for listening. You can find the book on Amazon.
Ibook the plush life from prison to
peace.
I'm gearing up to start a
show, but it's going to be Patreon exclusive because I have
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a lot of crazy shit that I just want to get off my chest therapeutic
wise. But I don't mind sharing it on Patreon, but I'm just not
going to give it to YouTube. You could find Poppy
J and Y zefe on Roku TV
Fridays. Tonight.
The BS Three Network. BS three network. They have to
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download the BS Three Network on the Roku device or your stick, whatever
it is. See that promo
and that's basically it. You can find me on
threads. Bobby J. 73,
instagram, bobbyj 73.
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That's it. I dissociated myself from a lot of social
real wise. Check out realwiseproductions.com.
Yes, go to realwiseproduction.com. This
is me saying subscribe, asking
subscribe. Join the email list.
Everything communicate. You'll
(55:39):
get a weekly email from us. Support us with
topics. I would love more interaction. I would at
least love a better. Gauge of what the audience wants.
Yes. Yeah, I mean, therapeutic, that'll be Patreon,
but for the audience and the show to better the show. If you believe in
the show and you would like to see it grow, we would love for some
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more audience participation, whether it be
ideas, whether it be a quick topics
whatever, or live call.
Never thought about that. But thank
you. Somebody.
I greatly appreciate you being on, brother, it's been a
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pleasure. Episode 200, worry about it. I'll be here for
episode 300.
Let me just close out the show, man. See,
I usually shout out the real Wise production team, but one of them is here.
So shout out to Brandy J. Shout out to the boss lady,
phoenix, I love you and appreciate you. Shout out to everybody who's a fan of
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Poppy J and Wise and heifer show stuck in my mind, everything
that we produce. Thank you for the support.
Thank you to the BS Three Network for believing in us and giving us an
opportunity to showcase our talents. Shout out to my man
Brian Snow. My man Cole Johnson.
Shout out to all the essential workers out there. God bless you, be
(57:07):
safe. You know how your boy wise does it.
Peace out.
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