October 6, 2025 • 49 mins
In this eye-opening episode of the Stuck In My Mind Podcast, host Wize El Jefe sits down with Michelle Boyde, a master hypnotist and human design expert, who’s on a mission to rewrite the rules around burnout, limiting beliefs, and what it really means to thrive. Michelle’s journey will resonate with anyone who’s ever ticked all the “right” boxes—career, income, status—only to find themselves burnt out and unfulfilled.
Michelle opens up about the moment burnout pushed her to the brink, and how a panic attack marked her breaking point. What followed was a radical reinvention, a bold move away from the high-powered consulting world toward a career rooted in helping others find alignment and success on their own terms.
Discover how Michelle stumbled into hypnosis and found it to be a powerful tool for reprogramming the subconscious—going deeper than traditional coaching ever could. She breaks down the real difference between willing yourself to change and actually rewiring your beliefs at the body level. Through stories and analogies, Michelle reveals why relying solely on conscious effort keeps us circling the same goals, and how true transformation requires working with the subconscious “liminal space” between who we’ve been and who we’re becoming.
The conversation explores human design—described as your energetic blueprint for potential—and why tapping into this framework helped Michelle shift from relentless hustle to “energetically sustainable success.” Listeners learn how human design’s five types, strategies, and authorities can guide daily decisions and help individuals create lives that fit them, not societal expectations.
The episode’s rich with wisdom on navigating stress, breaking the myth that more productivity equals more meaning, and why chasing purpose often backfires if it isn’t grounded in action and authentic desire. Michelle shares moving client stories, including a life-changing hypnosis session with her own father, which shattered skepticism and brought hope for relief even with conditions thought “incurable.”
Listeners will take away practical tips for tuning into desires, embracing the power of rest, and finding rhythm in alignment with their true selves—plus, insights into making human design and hypnosis tangible, not just theoretical. Whether you’re deep in hustle culture or seeking a soul-level reset, this episode is a blueprint for reinvention, urging you to experiment, embody, and redefine what success—and self-mastery—can truly mean.
Ready for a new perspective on transformation? Press play and start your own reinvention journey. Find all of Michelle’s free resources and her liminal archetype quiz at michelleboyde.com/start.
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(00:42):
And welcome to another episode of Stuck In My Mind
podcast. I am your host, W I Z E. And
today's guest is rewriting the rules on burnout belief and
becoming unbeatable from the inside out.
My next guest is a master hypnotist, human design guru
and coach for high performers hungry to live life on their own terms.
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She shifted thousands out of survival mode and into thriving
using hypnosis, NLP and heartfelt design
strategy. If you're ready to go deeper than the
bullet journals and hustle culture, my next guest has
the map. Let's welcome to the Stuck In My Mind podcast,
Michelle Boyd. Well, thanks for having me on.
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Oh, the pleasure's all mine. Thank you for being a great guest. I'm excited.
Me too. Always up for a good chat. All right. All right, so
walk us back. What hit first, the burnout or the I'm done
moment? Oh, for me, personally, those two things were
definitely intertwined. So if we go back seven
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years ago, I was a consultant, so I was working with C Suite
doing brand and culture strategy. And I hit that. That place
that I think a lot of people do where you are, you know, you technically
very successful, you kind of ticked a lot of boxes and you look at your
life and you're like, yep, I've done the things, you know, I was told to
do and I'm making good money and I've got the good job title. I've got
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all the stuff. But I felt deeply unfulfilled and I
was working crazy hours and I was genuinely, really,
really burnt out. And I actually had this particular
moment. I'd finished this massive product project
for this big construction company in Australia and
finished it. And my boss had said to me, it's Friday drinks.
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Can you just share with the rest of the consultancy, kind of an overview of
what you've already presented to the exec team before we kind of
sign off. And I was due to go away on holiday for three weeks. I
was heading off to India to kind of really check out. And I had
this moment, Will, when there was only, you know, 25 colleagues standing in
there with a beer and this panic attack, and I'd never had one
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before in my whole life, came across me. And if anybody has
ever had one, it's literally. It's like the whole world
narrows and you can't see anything. You know, even
getting any words out my mouth felt like the biggest uphill
struggle. And this is a woman who I love to. I love to get on
stages and present, and I do Keynote speaking. So I'm one of those people that
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thinks that's a fun time, you know, And I was like, I can't do this.
And I remember literally grabbing my bag and bolting for the
L and heading out of the building and you know, my boss text
messaging me, you know, 15 minutes later saying, you know, where the hell are you?
And, and this is the thing with burnout. It tends to kind of come
out of nowhere. You often feel like you're tracking really
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successfully and you're fine and you're still holding it all together. And then out of
nowhere it hits and you have something like a panic attack. We just have complete
meltdown. And that was a year before I left my
career. After that I was like, I need to find a way out of this.
And then I did. And that was seven years ago. Awesome.
So how did hypnosis become your secret weapon to shift beliefs
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faster than traditional coaching ever could?
So I stumbled into hypnosis. It wasn't actually something that I
planned. So when I left my career seven years ago, I was like, I've got
no idea what is next. I'm just going to see what pops up.
And I decided after a while I was like, I want to become a coach,
but I want to become a really kind of world class coach. And this a
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lot of coach trainings out there. So I took a while to find the one
I wanted to do and I started to do this masters in coaching. And one
of the first qualifications was a practitioner in
hypnosis. And as soon as I was in that room and I was
starting to do it, I was like, okay, this, this is absolutely my thing.
And you know, some things just come to you very easily. They click in almost
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as if you've done them for years. And that was that, that was,
that was the case. And over the last six months, six years, the.
The sort of impact you can have with something that is as gentle as
an enjoyable as hypnosis is incredible. And
you know, where I'm at now is that the work I do
is in what I call the liminal space. So it's
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when you are basically between these two identities.
So you've totally shed who you are. You're not that
person. You kind of look at that person like that's not me anymore. But you
haven't actually yet stepped in to this person over here that you're
becoming. And you're in this weird, in between, kind of electric
terrain. And the reason why hypnosis is
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so fantastic for this is that what that
Liminal space is actually asking of you is to
master the person you're becoming. And that's not up here at
a head level. It is very much deep in your body, deep
belief level. And that's really what I use
hypnosis for. And I've developed the outcome sequence, which is a
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sequence that takes you through that liminal space so you fully embody
master that person that you know you meant to be.
So what was your breakthrough belief you had to drop to design
a life by your own rules? It was
understanding that there is a completely different life
available to you that is not based on anything you've
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experienced so far. So it was that possibility could
look completely different to what I thought possibility was going to
look like. Because when you talk to people, and often when people are leaving
careers and they're heading off to build businesses or to do something different,
what people do. And you'll see people do this, you know, when they're not sure
what the next thing is, they kind of get out the notepad, they've got the
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pen, they sit down with a cup of tea and they're kind of brainstorming out,
where am I going to go? And what you find is they go back to
the same criteria all the time. It's like, okay, what's my experience? What's my
qualifications, you know, what's my expertise? What are my
strengths? What is all the stuff that people tend to put on their LinkedIn
profiles, what they put on their resume or their CV?
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And the reality is, you'll watch people, they start from there,
they go off in another direction and they end up back in that place
because the end of the day that the mind likes the
framework. And so, you know, this whole concept of think
outside the box, not. Does it just seem like a cliche? Right? And we've heard
it so many times when someone says it, you kind of roll your eyes, but
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at the same time, your brain likes the box. And so
we actually, we find ourselves in the same space
with the same possibilities when we're always working to the same
frameworks. And so I think things really change for people
when they're able to put that aside and understand that how they might like to
design their life doesn't actually have to do with anything like that, because
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that's all of the past. And the future has the possibility to
look completely different. So that's. That's
a really big part of it.
Your shift involved reprogramming the subconscious. What's the difference
between willing yourself and actually
rewiring your belief. So if you're willing
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yourself, the reality is you're operating from the conscious mind.
And, you know, a lot of people will know this stat. So it's not going
to be hugely new, but the conscious mind is like 4 to 5% of
your awareness. The subconscious is 95,
96%. Now, that conscious awareness is pretty
much always from the head upwards, and
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that subconscious is always in the body.
So not all of the body is subconscious, and I'll explain that in a moment.
But the subconscious sits in the body. And so what happens is, you know,
we create a new vision, a new goal, a new something that we want, and
we do it from the conscious mind. However,
all the programming to deliver on that new vision would be sitting
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inside our subconscious. And yet what you have in your subconscious
is the programming for exactly the person that you are today.
So what you end up with is this, like, tug of war where you've got
your conscious mind willing you in the direction of where you want to go,
but all the programming for actually how you behave is sitting
in your subconscious. And it's for the person that you were before and the goals
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that you've achieved before. And so the key
is to be able to shift more of who you are
into your conscious awareness. And there's different levels of that.
And people get stuck because often when they're coming to terms with what their
limiting beliefs are, they're working at a conscious level or
just when certain parts of their subconscious coming into their awareness.
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So, for example, if I said to you now, can you put your
awareness, your conscious awareness on your thoughts? It would be super
easy. Like, everybody can do that, right? Because they're up in their heads all the
time. And if I said, hey, will, tell me what you're thinking, you'd be able
to tell me straight away what you're thinking. And then if I said to you,
well, can you put your conscious awareness on, say, your left
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hand? You would be able to put your conscious awareness on your left hand.
And then most people can start to feel a bit into their left hand and
the sensations and perhaps what's happening in their left hand. And
that's part of the subconscious that tends to rotate relatively
easily into our conscious awareness. But then what if
I said to you, can you put your awareness on your gallbladder right now?
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Like, a lot of people would not be able to do that because that's really
in our subconscious, because it's all the stuff that's
operating without us ever having to think about it.
And that's the physical stuff, like digestion, hormones,
breathing, heartbeats, but it's also these patternings and ways
that we move through the world. And so if you're just trying to
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will yourself with your conscious mind, you're unaware of so much of
the automation, that of your identity that's sitting below the surface
and effectively sitting below your chin for most people, if that
makes sense. Awesome.
Why did human design become the key language for your
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change? You know, human design was a really interesting
part of my journey. And I don't know if you. Are you familiar with human
design? Do you know your human design? No. Okay,
I will tell you all about it. So, so human design is your
energetic blueprint of your potential. And
if anybody's listening to this and you're like, oh, this sounds interesting, you can go
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to my website and you can run your chart completely for free and I'll give
you the address for that. You just go to Michelle Boyd. It's with an e
on the end.com start and, and you have access to it there.
But essentially there are five different types in human design
and there's all these different levels. But what it tells you is
how your energy moves through your system, the type
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of energy you have, the flavor of that energy and
the way that it actually operates. And once you start to
identify a little bit more of who you actually are and you can
bring yourself into alignment, then what you're able to do
is create your life from a place of how you're actually
designed to operate. So one of those
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types is a projector, and I am a projector.
And if anybody is out there and you discover you're a projector or one of
the other non energy types, I'm sure this will really resonate with you, is that
I don't have this constant source of energy that some of the
other types have. And so when you start to look into human design, projectors
are only meant to work 20 hours a week. So when I
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first started my business, I was operating like a
generator. And about 70% of the population are generators
manifesting generators. They got tons and tons of energy. If they're doing
work that lights them up, they can just go and go and go. And you
know, you probably know these people, we all know these people. You know, you go
around, holiday with them and they wake up in the morning and they just want
to go, go, go, go. And you're sitting there thinking, gosh, I just want
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to sit down for a little bit, you know, and they never seem to stop
going and Then you've got other people, a bit like myself, that really needs
these cycles of rest to be at her best.
And so human design was really, really interesting because I suddenly
started to see that there was lots of ways that I'd been conditioned
by society, by the workplace, on how I was meant to
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operate. And yet when you start to push those aside
and you actually operate how you were designed, energetically,
then you have a lot more success. And I call this whole approach
energetically sustainable success. So when you look
into the body graph, which is what you get if you pop your details in
and you'll have a look at it, and it's got all these different centers and
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some of them are motors, so they give us this flavor of energy.
And as I say, we've got like a sacral motor, which is this
continuous creative energy, if that's defined. It's
like you wake up in the morning, you're full of energy, you use it up
all day, you know, and then you go to sleep at night. Then we've got
other motors, we've got like the root motor, for example,
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and this is the one that kicks in, you know, that, that kind of last
minute thing you might have a client say to you the night before, hey, I
know this is, I know this is last minute, but can you, you
know, can you do something by 10am tomorrow morning? It's that kind of like get
shit last minute done kind of energy. That's what kicks in. Not
everybody has that. Some people do have that. And so there's all these different
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motors that when you start to understand this flavor of energy, you
can design your business, your career, the way you run your life with
the types of energy that you actually have available. Because we don't all
have the same part. So it's, it's been really profound. And I use
that with clients to help them restructure the way that they
run their life. Awesome.
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Was there a moment when you knew this new life felt more you
than the old career ever did? Oh
gosh, that's. I mean, that's a great question. When, when was that moment,
and you know, why it's hard to pinpoint is because I feel
that it's been this ongoing transition, Will. So, you know, it
felt very correct to step away from that consulting career. And then
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it's almost like every, you know, my business and my life continues to
evolve and I feel that it's always heading more in the
direction of alignment. So almost at any moment
it feels like, yes, this feels more
and more, you Know, like me. And I think that, you
know, one of the ways that you can tell if something feels that it's correct
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for you is that you do have access to an
energy inside yourself to keep moving forward. Like, we get
tired, things happen. You know, I'm not suggesting we never feel
tired, but there is this sort of pocket of energy that we can always tap
into when we're on, you know, that. That Right. Course
for us. For me, it's when I podcast. Like,
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I like this. I wasn't in media. That was.
This wasn't me. When. Then the pandemic hit and I was furloughed from
work, so I had this equipment and I started podcasting,
and I just. I just. I just fell in love with it. It was just.
It wasn't work to me. I. I
jumped into learning how to edit, learning how to do video,
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all these quality of mice. I just wanted to learn
because it was so freeing for me, because it was. It was
allowing me to learn, have some great conversations, and.
And it was just so much fun. And then when
people started responding to the. To the podcast and
then messages telling me, hey, this episode was great. Thank you. I needed
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to hear those kind of messages just encouraged me even more. They were like,
more. More inspiring for me. It was like, wow, I didn't know what
my purpose was. I didn't know what I wanted. Like,
I have a pretty good paying job, but
once I started podcasting and was able to
just communicate with people and have these great conversations,
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it was like, all right, this is what I love. This. This is just
being able to help and spread messages and. And help people
share their stories. And if someone out there can gain
anything from any of these episodes or any of the
content I create, I'm happy with that. Yeah.
And, like, hearing you speak, the whole desire piece is really important
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in that, you know, so much of the conversation, if you tap into
certain entrepreneurial spaces, is that it's not about what you want. It's not
about desire. It's about the app in the market and the commercial opportunity.
And there are obviously, you know, for a business to work, that has to be
there. But I think we discount the value of tapping
into desire. And, you know, lots of people talk
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about, you know, you want. You want to have a passionate leader or you want
to have someone who's passionate, but you never have
passion unless desire is already present.
It's actually the bit that unlocks the passion. Right. You know, like, for example, you
never have passionate sex with somebody unless you have a Desire
first, that kicks you into that passion. And so
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what we find ourselves being drawn to, that's really sitting like
a desire on our heart is really, really powerful.
And I use this as a really, a big starting point to move people
through that liminal space that I was talking about. Because if there is
a desire that you want and you know you've got a strategy,
you're taking actions and you're moving towards it, but you're not getting
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there, it's because there is some part of you, somewhere in that
subconscious that's not on board with that desire.
So for us to clear those distortions, we have to know what the desire is,
because they're always related to that desire.
But, you know, you're a great example of when that desire burns and it
just feels correct that there's an ease of which you're able to move forward
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with stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
So. So how do you blend hypnosis, nlp, design
strategy, and spirituality without getting woo woo?
Without getting woo woo. Well, that's a good question, because a lot of people think
it is woo woo. I think. Do you know, one of the interesting
things is, is people just having the experience
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of it. I've had, you know, I have clients that fit on a
quite a spectrum. So I have clients over here who, who believe
in something bigger. And, you know, that that might be religion, it might
be another form of spirituality, but they're like, there's something bigger than me.
And then I have these. I have clients over here who are highly analytical
and don't. And not that you can't be both, but they're in that space and
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they don't really believe anything outside of themselves. They're like, you know, when I die,
I'm done. There's nothing bigger. And what's really interesting with this
particular group is that when we go back to certain
places that, for example, we regress them to previous
lives because sometimes that's where the subconscious wants to go. And they
don't believe in a previous life, they don't believe in incarnation, and
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yet we go back to that place. They have this incredibly visceral
experience of what happens, and then we bring them back to here,
and then the problem that they had has disappeared. And they're like, okay, so I
don't necessarily believe in this stuff, but I know that something
has changed in me. And so a lot of it is having the
experience and having the experience of being in your body.
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Like, I was working with a client, I've just finished with her actually,
and One of the things that I was helping her with was also
where she shifted her energy inside her
body, which can feel really quite woo woo, can't. It's a bit like, oh, energy.
Where do you know, shifting your energy. But I was guiding her to
actually move it down her body and deeper into sort of her
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pelvic bowl. Because a lot of the time when we are
striving for something and we're really reaching for it, and what I'm doing with
my body here is obviously exaggerated, but when you're kind of doing this, your
energy tips forward and then you become a
little bit disembodied. And so when you can pull that energy fully back
into your body and root it down into yourself, and then you
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drop, you know, that almost energetic center of
gravity, what you feel is very grounded, very sturdy,
and you're able to, you know, operate much, much more
effectively. And so again, with this particular client, she'd
never had this experience before, but as soon as she felt
this shift, she's like, okay, well, I feel it. So, you know, I don't
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necessarily have to understand it, but I feel it. And
I think that's one of the beautiful things with hypnosis is you can see results
really quickly. So even if you're somewhat skeptical, you
can have, you know, you have an experience. And then once you've had an experience,
there's not much more to say, really. So
what's the one myth about stress or success that keeps people stuck
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even when they have the tools to get unstuck?
I think there's a few things with stress, I would say,
but one of them is recognizing that it's not always
to do with the outside stressor. So a lot of it is to do with
your relationship to your stress. And
this is why lots of different people can be put in equal
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situations and yet not experience the same level of stress.
So there's certain times when we literally have to. We have to change the outside
situation. It is too stressful. You can't hold that stress for so long.
But your relationship to that stress is the most immediate
thing that you can actually start to change. And this
is where hypnosis is really useful. Because when we take you into
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hypnosis, first of all, you cannot be stressed. If I
take you in hypnosis, it's not physiologically possible. Once we slow
your brain waves, we put you into such a relaxed state, it's not possible.
But once we're there, we can change your relationship to
that stress. Because if you're feeling Stressed, you're
usually not here in the present moment. You know,
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anxiety, stress is all a worry about what
is going to happen in the future. And if people
recognize that in the absolute present moment that they're in,
they can't have that same relationship to stress, it can
change their whole experience of stressful
situations because it's ultimately all perception for
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the most part. Okay,
what, what, what? Walk us through a client case where life literally
changed after one hypnosis session. So do you know,
the one I'm going to tell you about, because it's so, so close to my
heart, is actually my dad. And this is one of those
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situations where when I did all my master hypnotist
training and it cost me a lot of money, and I've said if I never
helped anyone else after my dad, this made it completely worth it. So
my dad had very, very severe tinnitus. You
know the buzzing that you get in the ears. Yeah. And he had it very
extreme. So it was like buzzing. It was pressure
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changes. It was. It was beeping. It was all sorts of
different sounds, droning sounds, and it was. It was so
severe that he would say to my mom, on really bad days, he was like,
if you gave me a gun right now, I'd stick it in my mouth and
shoot myself. That's how bad it was. And so when I qualified as a master
hypnotist, I said to him, I've actually got the skill to help you with this,
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dad. Like, you know, let me help. And he was like, you know,
doctors say there's no cure for tinnitus. And I said, in Western medicine,
that's. That's correct. But, you know, the man that has trained me has
helped many, many men with tinnitus. So I said, look, you've got nothing to lose.
You're my dad. I'm not going to charge you. Like, my only request is
that you throw yourself in wholeheartedly. Give it a go. And then he said,
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okay, I'm happy to do that. He said, I don't really believe in this stuff,
but he said, I do believe in you, so we'll give it a go. And
it took one session, and we went from, like, all
of this noise and pressure change to this lower level. Like,
we took it right down from like a 10 to a 2. And after
that, he said, well, this is. This is life changing. And I said, well, we're
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going to keep going. It took us 10. Sorry, seven sessions
in total for it to completely disappear. So the first session took it right down
and then it took us a further six to get rid of that, too. But
that was over five years ago, and he's never had tinnitus come back
again. So this is. And this is what's
really interesting, Will, about the subconscious mind and how it operates. Because
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I'm not a doctor, I actually don't understand the intricacies of
tinnitus and what causes it and. And why, you know, you
get those sounds. But the subconscious mind is hugely
symbolic, and so we can go in using
symbolism and it understands that. So I literally,
I am simplifying my process, but I basically
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told his subconscious mind to turn off the
sound. And then also, and I don't know if you know this
and to anybody listening is, do you know what the
emotion is that sits behind tinnitus? No, it's
stubbornness. So if anybody's listening
here and you've got a partner who has tinnitus or you've got tinnitus, you might
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be considering how stubborn your partner is. And so we worked on his stubbornness
and I basically told his brain to turn the sound off,
just like turning the sound off on a stereo. And we turned the sound off
and it's not come back. And so, you know, the power
of the mind and the power of the body, because
it controls everything, right? It creates all this stuff, and so it actually
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knows how to uncreate it. You know, like when, for example, you cut
yourself and you know, your body heals, it knows exactly when to
stop healing, when to scab it over, when for the scab to fall off.
It's not something that you consciously are involved in. It's
just something that your body does, that your subconscious does. It's the wisdom that sits
inside it is phenomenal.
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So human design freaks people out. How do you simplify
it so they can use it, not. Not just know it,
not just knowing. So the key thing with human design is it is not something
that you want to just pick up lots more information on. You know,
we. We tend to collect knowledge. That's a bit of a
habit we have as humans. And what you need to do is actually, we call
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it, in human design, extension, experimenting with that knowledge.
And the kind of starting point, if you do go and get your
chart, if there's one thing I would suggest you do, it is look at something
called your strategy and your authority. So your
strategy is actually how opportunities
in the world interact with you. And all the five
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different types have a different strategy. And then when all
these various opportunities and the ways that you interact with the world come
in, your authority is your decision making. It's
the way that you are designed to make decisions. So when you put these two
things together and you start to observe how things come into your world,
and then you decide, is this right for me or is it not correct for
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me? You will start to really live your design.
So if I make that practical with one of the kind of the
types that you'll see a lot to the generator, which 70% of the
population is a type of generator, the
strategy is to respond. So you literally
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pull lots of things in for you to respond to. You're
responding all the time. Like if I say to you right now,
would you like a cup of tea? Very English thing to say, but would you
like a cup of tea? Will, I'm giving you something to respond to, okay?
And then if your authority is something that's called
sacral, what you literally get is you'll have
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a yes or no come from your gut. You'll either be like,
huh, I want that cup of tea, Michelle. Or you'll be like, I don't want
it. And so what you would do if that was your setup, if you
were a generator and you had sacred authority,
is you'd start to really observe what are all the things I get to respond
to? And you'd follow that sacral. Now, that
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sacral response is your body and not your head. And
this is the thing, we make too many decisions from our head. We don't
leverage the wisdom of that 96% of our subconscious
and our body and people override it. So you'll
see this. Perhaps you get up in the morning and your partner says to you,
do you want a cooked breakfast? I'll do eggs, toast, sausage, the whole thing.
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And your body, your sacral goes, uh huh, because it wants it. It perhaps
wants that fuel, for example, but your head goes, I'm in
a bit of a rush this morning, I need to get to the office early,
etc. Etc. I'll just grab a coffee. And so
we override this. So the way to start to really
use human design and to experiment is to start actually
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following that strategy and authority. Because the power is,
it puts you on exactly that course that you're
meant to be on. You can almost think of it as, it's like breadcrumbs from
God, Source, universe, whatever. You know, is your belief system
going, hey, come this way. And when we follow them, you end
up in exactly the place that you're meant to end up.
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You, you hypnotized people in groups of 80 plus, tell us what
that looks like and feels like. So it actually feels
exactly the same as if we do it one on one. To be honest. The
wonderful thing about hypnosis is if you can hear my voice, I
can hypnotize you. So I'm not hypnotizing you right now, but
I promise I'm very ethical. But, yeah, you
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only have to hear my voice. So I often do these big
sessions at different conferences and
workshops where there'll just be a whole room of people or laying down
or sitting up, and I guide them with my voice through it. I've also
done it over zoom. So during COVID you know, when everybody
was. And in Australia, which was where I was at the time, we were locked
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down for a very long time. I was doing it for some of the big
corporates as experiences for clients and
also for their employees. And, yeah, it's deeply
relaxing. So it may feel initially
as if you're going into a meditation, but then you'll reach a
point when I will draw your attention to things, and you'll realize that you can't
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lift your arms and you can't open your eyes, for example.
And then we get into a place where you will drift up and
down through different brainwave states. So most people find that they have times when
they feel quite alert, and then they'll have periods where they feel like my
voice almost starts to get quite far away,
and they're less aware of some of the stuff that's. That's been said. But
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it's deeply relaxing because you really
are just shifting down into these brainwave states that mean
that you can't experience any stress and anxiety and your
nervous system shifts into that parasitic, parasympathetic division
where you get that rest, that region, rejuvenation. So.
So, yeah, I love doing big groups, to be honest, because it's like you take
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everybody out of it, and then people are like, I went here and I saw
this and I felt this. And yeah, it's really. It's really good fun.
Awesome. For someone drowning in hustle and
productivity culture, how do you reintroduce meaning without
making it mental? Oh, that's a really, really good question.
So the way that I like to pull them back is to get them
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out of their heads, get them into their heart, and start
off with their desires. Now, let me talk you through this, because it kind of
goes back to front because we talk a lot about
purpose, right? And lots of people are actively seeking their purpose.
And I think, you know, I left my job because I wanted to do more
meaningful work. You know, this is meaningful for you. We want
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to do purposeful work. One thing I will caveat is that
the pursuit of purpose, if it doesn't have action
associated with it, can become the ultimate self sabotage.
So you have lots of people who are almost waiting to discover their
purpose before they go out and they really change things. And it's like, well,
I'm always, I just need to work out my purpose first. And it can also
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feel quite a lot of pressure, you know, my purpose, this, this big thing.
And so my advice is to totally put purpose down.
And this is because if you subscribe to the idea
that you have a purpose, that you've been put on this earth to do
something, then you must prescribe to the idea that you've
been given the potential to execute it. So I
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say that your potential is the gateway to your
purpose. So leave purpose, focus on just experiencing
more and more of your potential, which is sitting in your human design, by the
way. And then you'll end up on purpose. And then the bit that comes
before that is the desire piece. Because your desire will
point you in the direction of your potential. So if we keep
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it really simple, really tap into your heart's desires, not the ones that
are in your head, not all of that conditioning about what you think you
should be doing. Because we all have that stuff, we have all these definitions of
success that we picked up from our parents, from society.
But what is the stuff that is really sitting on your heart?
And place your energy there and you will end up
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accessing your potential and ultimately doing more purposeful work.
So what does living by your design actually feel like in daily life?
Do you know? One of the ways it really feels is you feel
that you are operating in a rhythm that feels
like you. And that rhythm is different
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for everybody. But there is this sense of
correctness to the way that you are moving through the world.
And within that correctness, you will feel that it complements
your energy and the way that your energy moves. And you will also
feel that you are in the right places with the right people,
having the right conversations and using the
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magic that is inside of you. Because all of us have,
whether you call it magic, you call it genius, everybody has some
something about them that is really special. And going
back to what I said at the beginning of the conversation, it often doesn't fit
in those boxes that we have used of expertise and
Strengths and qualifications, etc. It can be something, you know,
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that is not Something that you would necessarily always notice.
For example, with a client that I've been working with, we
discovered that she has this wonderful ability that when
she is present, when other people are having a
discussion, she changes the tone and the way
that they interact with each other. And it's not that she's really a
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negotiator as such. She doesn't even really need to say anything.
And this can be. She's observed this. She could be in a business meeting
or she could literally be stood in the coffee shop waiting for her
coffee. And just her presence between, say, the
barrister and the customer, customer actually shifts. So there's
a real superpower and magic to her. And that's not something that you
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would ever list on your cv, just like my presence changes the way people
operate. But it is something that we've, we've tested in lots of scenarios
and this is really true for her. So when you're really living by
your design, it isn't just, am I living the life I want to
live, it's that you feel that you're moving with a level of
correctness that just feels like you're really being yourself.
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You don't feel that you're being someone else.
So where are people getting it wrong with human design
and hypnosis? So with
human design, I think the way people get stuck is that they
don't actually use it, they don't apply it and see how it plays out for
them. Because what you don't want to do is have it become another
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dogma. So you will get you, as you learn about your
human design, you'll understand how things play out,
but you need to then apply that and look at how it works in your
reality. So it's very important to apply it, experiment it
and see. Okay, that's exactly how that bit plays out for me. So if
you're embarking on the human design route, I'd say don't just keep
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trying to grab information, don't just stick it all into ChatGPT
and get a load of information, because you won't get that much from it. So
you need to apply it to your life and see how it plays out.
And when it comes to hypnosis, the key is really to get
deep into those roots that you want to work on.
You know, when I talk about that liminal space, that place between
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where you are, what you're really being asked to do,
is to truly, truly master yourself.
And there is a difference between what you think and what you believe.
So thinking is situational, whereas
Your beliefs are not. So to make that tangible.
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For example, and I do hate using this six figure, seven figure,
eight figure. But we all know what it means, which is why it's good, right?
Is let's say you sit in a room of six figure business owners and
you are able to say, I'm successful, right?
And yet if we move you into a room with eight figure business
owners and you can no longer say I'm successful, you suddenly start to
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feel that you're less than, then you think you're successful.
You don't actually believe you're successful because when we change the
situation, you feel differently. Whereas if you truly believe
that, it doesn't matter what room I put you in, you, you've, you believe that
you are successful. And so the key is to move ourselves,
the things we think into the things that we believe.
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And that is the embodiment piece. And so where
people perhaps don't, don't get the results they want from hypnosis is
where they're not truly shifting stuff fully down into embodiment
and finding the root of things that allow those things to be
fully collapsed down into the body.
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For someone, for someone jacked on hustle but starved on. So what's
the first small step toward redesign?
The first step towards redesign is I would, from a very kind
of logical and practical point of view, I would say, what can I
remove? Because if you feel like there's too much, there probably is
too much. And so find at least one thing that
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you can take away, whether that is something that you can stop completely,
something you can give to someone else, or you can at least ask for something
support from. And if you sit there and you're listening to me and you're thinking,
that's all very well and good, but I actually can't get rid of anything.
Ask somebody to look at your life with you because there will be from
some perspective, something that can be shifted. And then the second
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part is give yourself the experience of being
in your body and relaxed in your body, even if it's only for
10 minutes a day. So find 10 minutes, even if it's before you get up
in the morning, close your eyes and just sit quietly,
breathe, be in your body before you launch
into the day and all the things that the day entails.
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It's not a very sexy answer, but it's actually, it's
really the starting point. And get your hands on some hypnosis because it
will really, really give you some relief.
You've redefined your life, Coach. Souls turn Skeptics
into believers. Is there a bigger mission waiting on the horizon for you?
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So the, the reason I love the work that I'm doing now
in this liminal space is I'm really working with these visionary
people. And the thing with this liminal space is that
it's not just kind of day to day ongoing growth. They're almost like these big
quantum leaps. They're when people are stepping into.
I actually hate that expression because it sounds so coachy and I'm not a coach.
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But it's this, it's mastering this next version of
themselves. Right. And what's powerful about being involved in that
particular part of their experience is once they master that next version,
they go on to do incredible things. And you know,
I think when we look at the world, there's lots of stuff we're aware the
phase that we're in collectively, humanity wise,
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that that needs to be solved. You know, there's lots of things that we haven't
really mastered. We've got to find new ways of operating and I don't
believe all of that's going to happen in these big corporates. You know, they have
their role to play. But I think some of the brilliant things that are going
to come out are going to be from smaller businesses,
startups and individuals. And so, you know, my part
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of helping those people really experience more of their
potential so they can do that stuff is for me that, that feels really
significant.
What's your non negotiable daily practice to stay
aligned and energized? It is
so there's hypnosis, I have to say that. But the other piece for me,
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especially being a projector is I just have to go and lay down
on my own for like 20, 30 minutes a day where I
am not near anyone. When I reach this point where it just
feels like there's a lot happening in my field, I just go and
lay down, I discharge it and I
feel back to being myself.
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Your cough's okay, but
that's really a key thing. I think when we are
amongst everybody else all the time, we pick up so much
stuff and the ability to just find a little bit of time on our own
is again really, really powerful. One of the things that happens
in this liminal space, if any of you are in this space,
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you will know what it feels like because you don't feel like who you were
and you don't feel like who you're becoming. You start to really question
if you can do it or not. And it's almost as if
the analogy I like to give is, you know, when you watch a horror movie
and you have the monster and they kind of come up over the cliff and
their arm goes to kind of drag you back one last time? This
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is sort of what's happening. So it's like the inner critic is coming up, trying
to pull you back. Your emotional roller coaster is huge. And,
you know, you're questioning so much stuff when you're in this in between period, it
can be really uncomfortable. And what you'll see people do is
that they go actively outside of themselves to seek more.
So, you know, more. More podcasts, more books, more
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workshops, more information, more inspiration. And that's good to
a point, but actually, it just can create more chaos.
There is a point at which we almost have to turn it all off and
go, I'm my authority. What's happening for me. And
so finding that little bit of time to ourself every day
for as much as you can find, where you just don't put any more into
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you, just let some of it go, is really, really
powerful. It's feeling yourself.
When your clients look back in five years, what do you want them to say?
You helped them rediscover.
A part of themselves that they'd forgotten or a part of themselves that they
hadn't yet met? Because
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for me, it's, you know, our perspective on life
dictates what is possible for us. And if you
imagine that you're standing in one room in your house
and you're looking out of one window, and that's where you stand, that is your
view. That's your perspective on your outside life. And, you
know, maybe one day it rains, maybe one day it's sunny, maybe you put some
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sunglasses on. But generally speaking, you have that same view,
that same perspective. And most people spend their lives kind of
standing at the same window. You know, they sometimes press their face up against it,
they sometimes step back, but they're generally at the same window. The work that
I do is to help you leave that room, walk to a completely different room
in your house, and look at a totally different window. So you look out, you
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see something completely different. And that's when you go, oh, my gosh, there's a
totally different possibility available to me.
And so that's when you start to meet these other parts of yourself.
And so I would love my clients to say that Michelle moved me to a
completely different window to see a completely different perspective.
Awesome. Awesome. Well, we've come to the part of the show where now
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you get the Solo screen and you get to plug away
and let everybody know where they can find you, your website, everything.
Wonderful. Thank you so much. Great. If you're still here
and listening, if any of this has interested you, I've got a bunch of
resources if you go to michelle
boyd.com start
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and my surname, Boyd has an E on the end. A lot of Boyds don't,
but I do. So it's michelle boyd.com start.
You'll see a bunch of things there. So there is a liminal archetype quiz.
So if you're listening to me thinking I may be in the liminal, what you
can do there is work out which of the archetypes you are and then you'll
have lots of resources to help you collapse that liminal space so you can
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really master this person that you're coming. There's also the human
design chart there if that interests you. And then there's some other stuff
around desire and collapsing time.
I work with people one on one so if you're interested
to come work with me like that, you can come in through those routes and
then you'll be able to contact me. And I also have the alchemy sequence,
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which is my proprietary precision sequence and
that's shared in various other ways. And as you come into my world through those
channels, you'll be able to find out how to access that.
So Michelle boyd.com star.
Great, great, great. So I do go live and
we had Desiree of Sunshine come and said I learned something
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helpful from every podcast and thank. Thank you for, for
tuning in, Desiree. I really appreciate you tuning in. And then she goes
especially love the belief versus thinking comment that hit home.
So it's one, it's these are the reasons I,
I really do enjoy doing, doing the podcast is because
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if anybody, any, if one person can get anything from any of the,
any of the content I create or any of the guests that I bring on
that, that to me is success. That to me is making
an impact and helping someone out. Yeah, I
agree. I love it. But thank you so much for being such
a great guest. This was awesome. I love it. Well, thank you for having me.
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It's been lovely to chat to you. The pleasure is all mine. I'm
excited. I'm excited to cut it up and,
and release the clips to the I will send tag you and send
you any clips and everything. So thank
you so much for being a wonderful guest. I greatly appreciate you being. But don't
leave just yet. Let me close out the show and then we'll chat a little
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bit off the air, but thank you so much for being such a great guest.
Thank you for having me. Will all Pleasure's all mine.
All right, everybody. Another great episode is in the
books. I. I appreciate everybody tuning
in. If Michelle's insights gave you chills or a plan,
you know what to do. Go check out Michelle Boyd with a e
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Book a strategy session and strap in for for a great,
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Peace out.
Sa.
And welcome to another episode of Stuck In My Mind
podcast. I am your host, W I Z E. And
today's guest is rewriting the rules on burnout belief and
becoming unbeatable from the inside out.
My next guest is a master hypnotist, human design guru
and coach for high performers hungry to live life on their own terms.
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She shifted thousands out of survival mode and into thriving
using hypnosis, NLP and heartfelt design
strategy. If you're ready to go deeper than the
bullet journals and hustle culture, my next guest has
the map. Let's welcome to the Stuck In My Mind podcast,
Michelle Boyd. Well, thanks for having me on.
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Oh, the pleasure's all mine. Thank you for being a great guest. I'm excited.
Me too. Always up for a good chat. All right. All right, so
walk us back. What hit first, the burnout or the I'm done
moment? Oh, for me, personally, those two things were
definitely intertwined. So if we go back seven
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years ago, I was a consultant, so I was working with C Suite
doing brand and culture strategy. And I hit that. That place
that I think a lot of people do where you are, you know, you technically
very successful, you kind of ticked a lot of boxes and you look at your
life and you're like, yep, I've done the things, you know, I was told to
do and I'm making good money and I've got the good job title. I've got
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all the stuff. But I felt deeply unfulfilled and I
was working crazy hours and I was genuinely, really,
really burnt out. And I actually had this particular
moment. I'd finished this massive product project
for this big construction company in Australia and
finished it. And my boss had said to me, it's Friday drinks.
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Can you just share with the rest of the consultancy, kind of an overview of
what you've already presented to the exec team before we kind of
sign off. And I was due to go away on holiday for three weeks. I
was heading off to India to kind of really check out. And I had
this moment, Will, when there was only, you know, 25 colleagues standing in
there with a beer and this panic attack, and I'd never had one
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before in my whole life, came across me. And if anybody has
ever had one, it's literally. It's like the whole world
narrows and you can't see anything. You know, even
getting any words out my mouth felt like the biggest uphill
struggle. And this is a woman who I love to. I love to get on
stages and present, and I do Keynote speaking. So I'm one of those people that
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thinks that's a fun time, you know, And I was like, I can't do this.
And I remember literally grabbing my bag and bolting for the
L and heading out of the building and you know, my boss text
messaging me, you know, 15 minutes later saying, you know, where the hell are you?
And, and this is the thing with burnout. It tends to kind of come
out of nowhere. You often feel like you're tracking really
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successfully and you're fine and you're still holding it all together. And then out of
nowhere it hits and you have something like a panic attack. We just have complete
meltdown. And that was a year before I left my
career. After that I was like, I need to find a way out of this.
And then I did. And that was seven years ago. Awesome.
So how did hypnosis become your secret weapon to shift beliefs
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faster than traditional coaching ever could?
So I stumbled into hypnosis. It wasn't actually something that I
planned. So when I left my career seven years ago, I was like, I've got
no idea what is next. I'm just going to see what pops up.
And I decided after a while I was like, I want to become a coach,
but I want to become a really kind of world class coach. And this a
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lot of coach trainings out there. So I took a while to find the one
I wanted to do and I started to do this masters in coaching. And one
of the first qualifications was a practitioner in
hypnosis. And as soon as I was in that room and I was
starting to do it, I was like, okay, this, this is absolutely my thing.
And you know, some things just come to you very easily. They click in almost
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as if you've done them for years. And that was that, that was,
that was the case. And over the last six months, six years, the.
The sort of impact you can have with something that is as gentle as
an enjoyable as hypnosis is incredible. And
you know, where I'm at now is that the work I do
is in what I call the liminal space. So it's
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when you are basically between these two identities.
So you've totally shed who you are. You're not that
person. You kind of look at that person like that's not me anymore. But you
haven't actually yet stepped in to this person over here that you're
becoming. And you're in this weird, in between, kind of electric
terrain. And the reason why hypnosis is
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so fantastic for this is that what that
Liminal space is actually asking of you is to
master the person you're becoming. And that's not up here at
a head level. It is very much deep in your body, deep
belief level. And that's really what I use
hypnosis for. And I've developed the outcome sequence, which is a
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sequence that takes you through that liminal space so you fully embody
master that person that you know you meant to be.
So what was your breakthrough belief you had to drop to design
a life by your own rules? It was
understanding that there is a completely different life
available to you that is not based on anything you've
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experienced so far. So it was that possibility could
look completely different to what I thought possibility was going to
look like. Because when you talk to people, and often when people are leaving
careers and they're heading off to build businesses or to do something different,
what people do. And you'll see people do this, you know, when they're not sure
what the next thing is, they kind of get out the notepad, they've got the
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pen, they sit down with a cup of tea and they're kind of brainstorming out,
where am I going to go? And what you find is they go back to
the same criteria all the time. It's like, okay, what's my experience? What's my
qualifications, you know, what's my expertise? What are my
strengths? What is all the stuff that people tend to put on their LinkedIn
profiles, what they put on their resume or their CV?
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And the reality is, you'll watch people, they start from there,
they go off in another direction and they end up back in that place
because the end of the day that the mind likes the
framework. And so, you know, this whole concept of think
outside the box, not. Does it just seem like a cliche? Right? And we've heard
it so many times when someone says it, you kind of roll your eyes, but
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at the same time, your brain likes the box. And so
we actually, we find ourselves in the same space
with the same possibilities when we're always working to the same
frameworks. And so I think things really change for people
when they're able to put that aside and understand that how they might like to
design their life doesn't actually have to do with anything like that, because
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that's all of the past. And the future has the possibility to
look completely different. So that's. That's
a really big part of it.
Your shift involved reprogramming the subconscious. What's the difference
between willing yourself and actually
rewiring your belief. So if you're willing
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yourself, the reality is you're operating from the conscious mind.
And, you know, a lot of people will know this stat. So it's not going
to be hugely new, but the conscious mind is like 4 to 5% of
your awareness. The subconscious is 95,
96%. Now, that conscious awareness is pretty
much always from the head upwards, and
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that subconscious is always in the body.
So not all of the body is subconscious, and I'll explain that in a moment.
But the subconscious sits in the body. And so what happens is, you know,
we create a new vision, a new goal, a new something that we want, and
we do it from the conscious mind. However,
all the programming to deliver on that new vision would be sitting
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inside our subconscious. And yet what you have in your subconscious
is the programming for exactly the person that you are today.
So what you end up with is this, like, tug of war where you've got
your conscious mind willing you in the direction of where you want to go,
but all the programming for actually how you behave is sitting
in your subconscious. And it's for the person that you were before and the goals
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that you've achieved before. And so the key
is to be able to shift more of who you are
into your conscious awareness. And there's different levels of that.
And people get stuck because often when they're coming to terms with what their
limiting beliefs are, they're working at a conscious level or
just when certain parts of their subconscious coming into their awareness.
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So, for example, if I said to you now, can you put your
awareness, your conscious awareness on your thoughts? It would be super
easy. Like, everybody can do that, right? Because they're up in their heads all the
time. And if I said, hey, will, tell me what you're thinking, you'd be able
to tell me straight away what you're thinking. And then if I said to you,
well, can you put your conscious awareness on, say, your left
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hand? You would be able to put your conscious awareness on your left hand.
And then most people can start to feel a bit into their left hand and
the sensations and perhaps what's happening in their left hand. And
that's part of the subconscious that tends to rotate relatively
easily into our conscious awareness. But then what if
I said to you, can you put your awareness on your gallbladder right now?
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Like, a lot of people would not be able to do that because that's really
in our subconscious, because it's all the stuff that's
operating without us ever having to think about it.
And that's the physical stuff, like digestion, hormones,
breathing, heartbeats, but it's also these patternings and ways
that we move through the world. And so if you're just trying to
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will yourself with your conscious mind, you're unaware of so much of
the automation, that of your identity that's sitting below the surface
and effectively sitting below your chin for most people, if that
makes sense. Awesome.
Why did human design become the key language for your
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change? You know, human design was a really interesting
part of my journey. And I don't know if you. Are you familiar with human
design? Do you know your human design? No. Okay,
I will tell you all about it. So, so human design is your
energetic blueprint of your potential. And
if anybody's listening to this and you're like, oh, this sounds interesting, you can go
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to my website and you can run your chart completely for free and I'll give
you the address for that. You just go to Michelle Boyd. It's with an e
on the end.com start and, and you have access to it there.
But essentially there are five different types in human design
and there's all these different levels. But what it tells you is
how your energy moves through your system, the type
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of energy you have, the flavor of that energy and
the way that it actually operates. And once you start to
identify a little bit more of who you actually are and you can
bring yourself into alignment, then what you're able to do
is create your life from a place of how you're actually
designed to operate. So one of those
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types is a projector, and I am a projector.
And if anybody is out there and you discover you're a projector or one of
the other non energy types, I'm sure this will really resonate with you, is that
I don't have this constant source of energy that some of the
other types have. And so when you start to look into human design, projectors
are only meant to work 20 hours a week. So when I
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first started my business, I was operating like a
generator. And about 70% of the population are generators
manifesting generators. They got tons and tons of energy. If they're doing
work that lights them up, they can just go and go and go. And you
know, you probably know these people, we all know these people. You know, you go
around, holiday with them and they wake up in the morning and they just want
to go, go, go, go. And you're sitting there thinking, gosh, I just want
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to sit down for a little bit, you know, and they never seem to stop
going and Then you've got other people, a bit like myself, that really needs
these cycles of rest to be at her best.
And so human design was really, really interesting because I suddenly
started to see that there was lots of ways that I'd been conditioned
by society, by the workplace, on how I was meant to
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operate. And yet when you start to push those aside
and you actually operate how you were designed, energetically,
then you have a lot more success. And I call this whole approach
energetically sustainable success. So when you look
into the body graph, which is what you get if you pop your details in
and you'll have a look at it, and it's got all these different centers and
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some of them are motors, so they give us this flavor of energy.
And as I say, we've got like a sacral motor, which is this
continuous creative energy, if that's defined. It's
like you wake up in the morning, you're full of energy, you use it up
all day, you know, and then you go to sleep at night. Then we've got
other motors, we've got like the root motor, for example,
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and this is the one that kicks in, you know, that, that kind of last
minute thing you might have a client say to you the night before, hey, I
know this is, I know this is last minute, but can you, you
know, can you do something by 10am tomorrow morning? It's that kind of like get
shit last minute done kind of energy. That's what kicks in. Not
everybody has that. Some people do have that. And so there's all these different
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motors that when you start to understand this flavor of energy, you
can design your business, your career, the way you run your life with
the types of energy that you actually have available. Because we don't all
have the same part. So it's, it's been really profound. And I use
that with clients to help them restructure the way that they
run their life. Awesome.
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Was there a moment when you knew this new life felt more you
than the old career ever did? Oh
gosh, that's. I mean, that's a great question. When, when was that moment,
and you know, why it's hard to pinpoint is because I feel
that it's been this ongoing transition, Will. So, you know, it
felt very correct to step away from that consulting career. And then
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it's almost like every, you know, my business and my life continues to
evolve and I feel that it's always heading more in the
direction of alignment. So almost at any moment
it feels like, yes, this feels more
and more, you Know, like me. And I think that, you
know, one of the ways that you can tell if something feels that it's correct
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for you is that you do have access to an
energy inside yourself to keep moving forward. Like, we get
tired, things happen. You know, I'm not suggesting we never feel
tired, but there is this sort of pocket of energy that we can always tap
into when we're on, you know, that. That Right. Course
for us. For me, it's when I podcast. Like,
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I like this. I wasn't in media. That was.
This wasn't me. When. Then the pandemic hit and I was furloughed from
work, so I had this equipment and I started podcasting,
and I just. I just. I just fell in love with it. It was just.
It wasn't work to me. I. I
jumped into learning how to edit, learning how to do video,
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all these quality of mice. I just wanted to learn
because it was so freeing for me, because it was. It was
allowing me to learn, have some great conversations, and.
And it was just so much fun. And then when
people started responding to the. To the podcast and
then messages telling me, hey, this episode was great. Thank you. I needed
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to hear those kind of messages just encouraged me even more. They were like,
more. More inspiring for me. It was like, wow, I didn't know what
my purpose was. I didn't know what I wanted. Like,
I have a pretty good paying job, but
once I started podcasting and was able to
just communicate with people and have these great conversations,
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it was like, all right, this is what I love. This. This is just
being able to help and spread messages and. And help people
share their stories. And if someone out there can gain
anything from any of these episodes or any of the
content I create, I'm happy with that. Yeah.
And, like, hearing you speak, the whole desire piece is really important
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in that, you know, so much of the conversation, if you tap into
certain entrepreneurial spaces, is that it's not about what you want. It's not
about desire. It's about the app in the market and the commercial opportunity.
And there are obviously, you know, for a business to work, that has to be
there. But I think we discount the value of tapping
into desire. And, you know, lots of people talk
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about, you know, you want. You want to have a passionate leader or you want
to have someone who's passionate, but you never have
passion unless desire is already present.
It's actually the bit that unlocks the passion. Right. You know, like, for example, you
never have passionate sex with somebody unless you have a Desire
first, that kicks you into that passion. And so
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what we find ourselves being drawn to, that's really sitting like
a desire on our heart is really, really powerful.
And I use this as a really, a big starting point to move people
through that liminal space that I was talking about. Because if there is
a desire that you want and you know you've got a strategy,
you're taking actions and you're moving towards it, but you're not getting
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there, it's because there is some part of you, somewhere in that
subconscious that's not on board with that desire.
So for us to clear those distortions, we have to know what the desire is,
because they're always related to that desire.
But, you know, you're a great example of when that desire burns and it
just feels correct that there's an ease of which you're able to move forward
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with stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
So. So how do you blend hypnosis, nlp, design
strategy, and spirituality without getting woo woo?
Without getting woo woo. Well, that's a good question, because a lot of people think
it is woo woo. I think. Do you know, one of the interesting
things is, is people just having the experience
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of it. I've had, you know, I have clients that fit on a
quite a spectrum. So I have clients over here who, who believe
in something bigger. And, you know, that that might be religion, it might
be another form of spirituality, but they're like, there's something bigger than me.
And then I have these. I have clients over here who are highly analytical
and don't. And not that you can't be both, but they're in that space and
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they don't really believe anything outside of themselves. They're like, you know, when I die,
I'm done. There's nothing bigger. And what's really interesting with this
particular group is that when we go back to certain
places that, for example, we regress them to previous
lives because sometimes that's where the subconscious wants to go. And they
don't believe in a previous life, they don't believe in incarnation, and
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yet we go back to that place. They have this incredibly visceral
experience of what happens, and then we bring them back to here,
and then the problem that they had has disappeared. And they're like, okay, so I
don't necessarily believe in this stuff, but I know that something
has changed in me. And so a lot of it is having the
experience and having the experience of being in your body.
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Like, I was working with a client, I've just finished with her actually,
and One of the things that I was helping her with was also
where she shifted her energy inside her
body, which can feel really quite woo woo, can't. It's a bit like, oh, energy.
Where do you know, shifting your energy. But I was guiding her to
actually move it down her body and deeper into sort of her
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pelvic bowl. Because a lot of the time when we are
striving for something and we're really reaching for it, and what I'm doing with
my body here is obviously exaggerated, but when you're kind of doing this, your
energy tips forward and then you become a
little bit disembodied. And so when you can pull that energy fully back
into your body and root it down into yourself, and then you
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drop, you know, that almost energetic center of
gravity, what you feel is very grounded, very sturdy,
and you're able to, you know, operate much, much more
effectively. And so again, with this particular client, she'd
never had this experience before, but as soon as she felt
this shift, she's like, okay, well, I feel it. So, you know, I don't
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necessarily have to understand it, but I feel it. And
I think that's one of the beautiful things with hypnosis is you can see results
really quickly. So even if you're somewhat skeptical, you
can have, you know, you have an experience. And then once you've had an experience,
there's not much more to say, really. So
what's the one myth about stress or success that keeps people stuck
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even when they have the tools to get unstuck?
I think there's a few things with stress, I would say,
but one of them is recognizing that it's not always
to do with the outside stressor. So a lot of it is to do with
your relationship to your stress. And
this is why lots of different people can be put in equal
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situations and yet not experience the same level of stress.
So there's certain times when we literally have to. We have to change the outside
situation. It is too stressful. You can't hold that stress for so long.
But your relationship to that stress is the most immediate
thing that you can actually start to change. And this
is where hypnosis is really useful. Because when we take you into
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hypnosis, first of all, you cannot be stressed. If I
take you in hypnosis, it's not physiologically possible. Once we slow
your brain waves, we put you into such a relaxed state, it's not possible.
But once we're there, we can change your relationship to
that stress. Because if you're feeling Stressed, you're
usually not here in the present moment. You know,
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anxiety, stress is all a worry about what
is going to happen in the future. And if people
recognize that in the absolute present moment that they're in,
they can't have that same relationship to stress, it can
change their whole experience of stressful
situations because it's ultimately all perception for
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the most part. Okay,
what, what, what? Walk us through a client case where life literally
changed after one hypnosis session. So do you know,
the one I'm going to tell you about, because it's so, so close to my
heart, is actually my dad. And this is one of those
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situations where when I did all my master hypnotist
training and it cost me a lot of money, and I've said if I never
helped anyone else after my dad, this made it completely worth it. So
my dad had very, very severe tinnitus. You
know the buzzing that you get in the ears. Yeah. And he had it very
extreme. So it was like buzzing. It was pressure
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changes. It was. It was beeping. It was all sorts of
different sounds, droning sounds, and it was. It was so
severe that he would say to my mom, on really bad days, he was like,
if you gave me a gun right now, I'd stick it in my mouth and
shoot myself. That's how bad it was. And so when I qualified as a master
hypnotist, I said to him, I've actually got the skill to help you with this,
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dad. Like, you know, let me help. And he was like, you know,
doctors say there's no cure for tinnitus. And I said, in Western medicine,
that's. That's correct. But, you know, the man that has trained me has
helped many, many men with tinnitus. So I said, look, you've got nothing to lose.
You're my dad. I'm not going to charge you. Like, my only request is
that you throw yourself in wholeheartedly. Give it a go. And then he said,
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okay, I'm happy to do that. He said, I don't really believe in this stuff,
but he said, I do believe in you, so we'll give it a go. And
it took one session, and we went from, like, all
of this noise and pressure change to this lower level. Like,
we took it right down from like a 10 to a 2. And after
that, he said, well, this is. This is life changing. And I said, well, we're
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going to keep going. It took us 10. Sorry, seven sessions
in total for it to completely disappear. So the first session took it right down
and then it took us a further six to get rid of that, too. But
that was over five years ago, and he's never had tinnitus come back
again. So this is. And this is what's
really interesting, Will, about the subconscious mind and how it operates. Because
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I'm not a doctor, I actually don't understand the intricacies of
tinnitus and what causes it and. And why, you know, you
get those sounds. But the subconscious mind is hugely
symbolic, and so we can go in using
symbolism and it understands that. So I literally,
I am simplifying my process, but I basically
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told his subconscious mind to turn off the
sound. And then also, and I don't know if you know this
and to anybody listening is, do you know what the
emotion is that sits behind tinnitus? No, it's
stubbornness. So if anybody's listening
here and you've got a partner who has tinnitus or you've got tinnitus, you might
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be considering how stubborn your partner is. And so we worked on his stubbornness
and I basically told his brain to turn the sound off,
just like turning the sound off on a stereo. And we turned the sound off
and it's not come back. And so, you know, the power
of the mind and the power of the body, because
it controls everything, right? It creates all this stuff, and so it actually
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knows how to uncreate it. You know, like when, for example, you cut
yourself and you know, your body heals, it knows exactly when to
stop healing, when to scab it over, when for the scab to fall off.
It's not something that you consciously are involved in. It's
just something that your body does, that your subconscious does. It's the wisdom that sits
inside it is phenomenal.
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So human design freaks people out. How do you simplify
it so they can use it, not. Not just know it,
not just knowing. So the key thing with human design is it is not something
that you want to just pick up lots more information on. You know,
we. We tend to collect knowledge. That's a bit of a
habit we have as humans. And what you need to do is actually, we call
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it, in human design, extension, experimenting with that knowledge.
And the kind of starting point, if you do go and get your
chart, if there's one thing I would suggest you do, it is look at something
called your strategy and your authority. So your
strategy is actually how opportunities
in the world interact with you. And all the five
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different types have a different strategy. And then when all
these various opportunities and the ways that you interact with the world come
in, your authority is your decision making. It's
the way that you are designed to make decisions. So when you put these two
things together and you start to observe how things come into your world,
and then you decide, is this right for me or is it not correct for
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me? You will start to really live your design.
So if I make that practical with one of the kind of the
types that you'll see a lot to the generator, which 70% of the
population is a type of generator, the
strategy is to respond. So you literally
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pull lots of things in for you to respond to. You're
responding all the time. Like if I say to you right now,
would you like a cup of tea? Very English thing to say, but would you
like a cup of tea? Will, I'm giving you something to respond to, okay?
And then if your authority is something that's called
sacral, what you literally get is you'll have
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a yes or no come from your gut. You'll either be like,
huh, I want that cup of tea, Michelle. Or you'll be like, I don't want
it. And so what you would do if that was your setup, if you
were a generator and you had sacred authority,
is you'd start to really observe what are all the things I get to respond
to? And you'd follow that sacral. Now, that
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sacral response is your body and not your head. And
this is the thing, we make too many decisions from our head. We don't
leverage the wisdom of that 96% of our subconscious
and our body and people override it. So you'll
see this. Perhaps you get up in the morning and your partner says to you,
do you want a cooked breakfast? I'll do eggs, toast, sausage, the whole thing.
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And your body, your sacral goes, uh huh, because it wants it. It perhaps
wants that fuel, for example, but your head goes, I'm in
a bit of a rush this morning, I need to get to the office early,
etc. Etc. I'll just grab a coffee. And so
we override this. So the way to start to really
use human design and to experiment is to start actually
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following that strategy and authority. Because the power is,
it puts you on exactly that course that you're
meant to be on. You can almost think of it as, it's like breadcrumbs from
God, Source, universe, whatever. You know, is your belief system
going, hey, come this way. And when we follow them, you end
up in exactly the place that you're meant to end up.
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You, you hypnotized people in groups of 80 plus, tell us what
that looks like and feels like. So it actually feels
exactly the same as if we do it one on one. To be honest. The
wonderful thing about hypnosis is if you can hear my voice, I
can hypnotize you. So I'm not hypnotizing you right now, but
I promise I'm very ethical. But, yeah, you
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only have to hear my voice. So I often do these big
sessions at different conferences and
workshops where there'll just be a whole room of people or laying down
or sitting up, and I guide them with my voice through it. I've also
done it over zoom. So during COVID you know, when everybody
was. And in Australia, which was where I was at the time, we were locked
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down for a very long time. I was doing it for some of the big
corporates as experiences for clients and
also for their employees. And, yeah, it's deeply
relaxing. So it may feel initially
as if you're going into a meditation, but then you'll reach a
point when I will draw your attention to things, and you'll realize that you can't
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lift your arms and you can't open your eyes, for example.
And then we get into a place where you will drift up and
down through different brainwave states. So most people find that they have times when
they feel quite alert, and then they'll have periods where they feel like my
voice almost starts to get quite far away,
and they're less aware of some of the stuff that's. That's been said. But
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it's deeply relaxing because you really
are just shifting down into these brainwave states that mean
that you can't experience any stress and anxiety and your
nervous system shifts into that parasitic, parasympathetic division
where you get that rest, that region, rejuvenation. So.
So, yeah, I love doing big groups, to be honest, because it's like you take
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everybody out of it, and then people are like, I went here and I saw
this and I felt this. And yeah, it's really. It's really good fun.
Awesome. For someone drowning in hustle and
productivity culture, how do you reintroduce meaning without
making it mental? Oh, that's a really, really good question.
So the way that I like to pull them back is to get them
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out of their heads, get them into their heart, and start
off with their desires. Now, let me talk you through this, because it kind of
goes back to front because we talk a lot about
purpose, right? And lots of people are actively seeking their purpose.
And I think, you know, I left my job because I wanted to do more
meaningful work. You know, this is meaningful for you. We want
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to do purposeful work. One thing I will caveat is that
the pursuit of purpose, if it doesn't have action
associated with it, can become the ultimate self sabotage.
So you have lots of people who are almost waiting to discover their
purpose before they go out and they really change things. And it's like, well,
I'm always, I just need to work out my purpose first. And it can also
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feel quite a lot of pressure, you know, my purpose, this, this big thing.
And so my advice is to totally put purpose down.
And this is because if you subscribe to the idea
that you have a purpose, that you've been put on this earth to do
something, then you must prescribe to the idea that you've
been given the potential to execute it. So I
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say that your potential is the gateway to your
purpose. So leave purpose, focus on just experiencing
more and more of your potential, which is sitting in your human design, by the
way. And then you'll end up on purpose. And then the bit that comes
before that is the desire piece. Because your desire will
point you in the direction of your potential. So if we keep
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it really simple, really tap into your heart's desires, not the ones that
are in your head, not all of that conditioning about what you think you
should be doing. Because we all have that stuff, we have all these definitions of
success that we picked up from our parents, from society.
But what is the stuff that is really sitting on your heart?
And place your energy there and you will end up
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accessing your potential and ultimately doing more purposeful work.
So what does living by your design actually feel like in daily life?
Do you know? One of the ways it really feels is you feel
that you are operating in a rhythm that feels
like you. And that rhythm is different
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for everybody. But there is this sense of
correctness to the way that you are moving through the world.
And within that correctness, you will feel that it complements
your energy and the way that your energy moves. And you will also
feel that you are in the right places with the right people,
having the right conversations and using the
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magic that is inside of you. Because all of us have,
whether you call it magic, you call it genius, everybody has some
something about them that is really special. And going
back to what I said at the beginning of the conversation, it often doesn't fit
in those boxes that we have used of expertise and
Strengths and qualifications, etc. It can be something, you know,
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that is not Something that you would necessarily always notice.
For example, with a client that I've been working with, we
discovered that she has this wonderful ability that when
she is present, when other people are having a
discussion, she changes the tone and the way
that they interact with each other. And it's not that she's really a
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negotiator as such. She doesn't even really need to say anything.
And this can be. She's observed this. She could be in a business meeting
or she could literally be stood in the coffee shop waiting for her
coffee. And just her presence between, say, the
barrister and the customer, customer actually shifts. So there's
a real superpower and magic to her. And that's not something that you
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would ever list on your cv, just like my presence changes the way people
operate. But it is something that we've, we've tested in lots of scenarios
and this is really true for her. So when you're really living by
your design, it isn't just, am I living the life I want to
live, it's that you feel that you're moving with a level of
correctness that just feels like you're really being yourself.
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You don't feel that you're being someone else.
So where are people getting it wrong with human design
and hypnosis? So with
human design, I think the way people get stuck is that they
don't actually use it, they don't apply it and see how it plays out for
them. Because what you don't want to do is have it become another
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dogma. So you will get you, as you learn about your
human design, you'll understand how things play out,
but you need to then apply that and look at how it works in your
reality. So it's very important to apply it, experiment it
and see. Okay, that's exactly how that bit plays out for me. So if
you're embarking on the human design route, I'd say don't just keep
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trying to grab information, don't just stick it all into ChatGPT
and get a load of information, because you won't get that much from it. So
you need to apply it to your life and see how it plays out.
And when it comes to hypnosis, the key is really to get
deep into those roots that you want to work on.
You know, when I talk about that liminal space, that place between
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where you are, what you're really being asked to do,
is to truly, truly master yourself.
And there is a difference between what you think and what you believe.
So thinking is situational, whereas
Your beliefs are not. So to make that tangible.
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For example, and I do hate using this six figure, seven figure,
eight figure. But we all know what it means, which is why it's good, right?
Is let's say you sit in a room of six figure business owners and
you are able to say, I'm successful, right?
And yet if we move you into a room with eight figure business
owners and you can no longer say I'm successful, you suddenly start to
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feel that you're less than, then you think you're successful.
You don't actually believe you're successful because when we change the
situation, you feel differently. Whereas if you truly believe
that, it doesn't matter what room I put you in, you, you've, you believe that
you are successful. And so the key is to move ourselves,
the things we think into the things that we believe.
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And that is the embodiment piece. And so where
people perhaps don't, don't get the results they want from hypnosis is
where they're not truly shifting stuff fully down into embodiment
and finding the root of things that allow those things to be
fully collapsed down into the body.
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For someone, for someone jacked on hustle but starved on. So what's
the first small step toward redesign?
The first step towards redesign is I would, from a very kind
of logical and practical point of view, I would say, what can I
remove? Because if you feel like there's too much, there probably is
too much. And so find at least one thing that
(39:31):
you can take away, whether that is something that you can stop completely,
something you can give to someone else, or you can at least ask for something
support from. And if you sit there and you're listening to me and you're thinking,
that's all very well and good, but I actually can't get rid of anything.
Ask somebody to look at your life with you because there will be from
some perspective, something that can be shifted. And then the second
(39:53):
part is give yourself the experience of being
in your body and relaxed in your body, even if it's only for
10 minutes a day. So find 10 minutes, even if it's before you get up
in the morning, close your eyes and just sit quietly,
breathe, be in your body before you launch
into the day and all the things that the day entails.
(40:17):
It's not a very sexy answer, but it's actually, it's
really the starting point. And get your hands on some hypnosis because it
will really, really give you some relief.
You've redefined your life, Coach. Souls turn Skeptics
into believers. Is there a bigger mission waiting on the horizon for you?
(40:38):
So the, the reason I love the work that I'm doing now
in this liminal space is I'm really working with these visionary
people. And the thing with this liminal space is that
it's not just kind of day to day ongoing growth. They're almost like these big
quantum leaps. They're when people are stepping into.
I actually hate that expression because it sounds so coachy and I'm not a coach.
(40:59):
But it's this, it's mastering this next version of
themselves. Right. And what's powerful about being involved in that
particular part of their experience is once they master that next version,
they go on to do incredible things. And you know,
I think when we look at the world, there's lots of stuff we're aware the
phase that we're in collectively, humanity wise,
(41:21):
that that needs to be solved. You know, there's lots of things that we haven't
really mastered. We've got to find new ways of operating and I don't
believe all of that's going to happen in these big corporates. You know, they have
their role to play. But I think some of the brilliant things that are going
to come out are going to be from smaller businesses,
startups and individuals. And so, you know, my part
(41:42):
of helping those people really experience more of their
potential so they can do that stuff is for me that, that feels really
significant.
What's your non negotiable daily practice to stay
aligned and energized? It is
so there's hypnosis, I have to say that. But the other piece for me,
(42:04):
especially being a projector is I just have to go and lay down
on my own for like 20, 30 minutes a day where I
am not near anyone. When I reach this point where it just
feels like there's a lot happening in my field, I just go and
lay down, I discharge it and I
feel back to being myself.
(42:27):
Your cough's okay, but
that's really a key thing. I think when we are
amongst everybody else all the time, we pick up so much
stuff and the ability to just find a little bit of time on our own
is again really, really powerful. One of the things that happens
in this liminal space, if any of you are in this space,
(42:50):
you will know what it feels like because you don't feel like who you were
and you don't feel like who you're becoming. You start to really question
if you can do it or not. And it's almost as if
the analogy I like to give is, you know, when you watch a horror movie
and you have the monster and they kind of come up over the cliff and
their arm goes to kind of drag you back one last time? This
(43:11):
is sort of what's happening. So it's like the inner critic is coming up, trying
to pull you back. Your emotional roller coaster is huge. And,
you know, you're questioning so much stuff when you're in this in between period, it
can be really uncomfortable. And what you'll see people do is
that they go actively outside of themselves to seek more.
So, you know, more. More podcasts, more books, more
(43:34):
workshops, more information, more inspiration. And that's good to
a point, but actually, it just can create more chaos.
There is a point at which we almost have to turn it all off and
go, I'm my authority. What's happening for me. And
so finding that little bit of time to ourself every day
for as much as you can find, where you just don't put any more into
(43:56):
you, just let some of it go, is really, really
powerful. It's feeling yourself.
When your clients look back in five years, what do you want them to say?
You helped them rediscover.
A part of themselves that they'd forgotten or a part of themselves that they
hadn't yet met? Because
(44:19):
for me, it's, you know, our perspective on life
dictates what is possible for us. And if you
imagine that you're standing in one room in your house
and you're looking out of one window, and that's where you stand, that is your
view. That's your perspective on your outside life. And, you
know, maybe one day it rains, maybe one day it's sunny, maybe you put some
(44:40):
sunglasses on. But generally speaking, you have that same view,
that same perspective. And most people spend their lives kind of
standing at the same window. You know, they sometimes press their face up against it,
they sometimes step back, but they're generally at the same window. The work that
I do is to help you leave that room, walk to a completely different room
in your house, and look at a totally different window. So you look out, you
(45:02):
see something completely different. And that's when you go, oh, my gosh, there's a
totally different possibility available to me.
And so that's when you start to meet these other parts of yourself.
And so I would love my clients to say that Michelle moved me to a
completely different window to see a completely different perspective.
Awesome. Awesome. Well, we've come to the part of the show where now
(45:26):
you get the Solo screen and you get to plug away
and let everybody know where they can find you, your website, everything.
Wonderful. Thank you so much. Great. If you're still here
and listening, if any of this has interested you, I've got a bunch of
resources if you go to michelle
boyd.com start
(45:47):
and my surname, Boyd has an E on the end. A lot of Boyds don't,
but I do. So it's michelle boyd.com start.
You'll see a bunch of things there. So there is a liminal archetype quiz.
So if you're listening to me thinking I may be in the liminal, what you
can do there is work out which of the archetypes you are and then you'll
have lots of resources to help you collapse that liminal space so you can
(46:09):
really master this person that you're coming. There's also the human
design chart there if that interests you. And then there's some other stuff
around desire and collapsing time.
I work with people one on one so if you're interested
to come work with me like that, you can come in through those routes and
then you'll be able to contact me. And I also have the alchemy sequence,
(46:31):
which is my proprietary precision sequence and
that's shared in various other ways. And as you come into my world through those
channels, you'll be able to find out how to access that.
So Michelle boyd.com star.
Great, great, great. So I do go live and
we had Desiree of Sunshine come and said I learned something
(46:54):
helpful from every podcast and thank. Thank you for, for
tuning in, Desiree. I really appreciate you tuning in. And then she goes
especially love the belief versus thinking comment that hit home.
So it's one, it's these are the reasons I,
I really do enjoy doing, doing the podcast is because
(47:16):
if anybody, any, if one person can get anything from any of the,
any of the content I create or any of the guests that I bring on
that, that to me is success. That to me is making
an impact and helping someone out. Yeah, I
agree. I love it. But thank you so much for being such
a great guest. This was awesome. I love it. Well, thank you for having me.
(47:39):
It's been lovely to chat to you. The pleasure is all mine. I'm
excited. I'm excited to cut it up and,
and release the clips to the I will send tag you and send
you any clips and everything. So thank
you so much for being a wonderful guest. I greatly appreciate you being. But don't
leave just yet. Let me close out the show and then we'll chat a little
(48:01):
bit off the air, but thank you so much for being such a great guest.
Thank you for having me. Will all Pleasure's all mine.
All right, everybody. Another great episode is in the
books. I. I appreciate everybody tuning
in. If Michelle's insights gave you chills or a plan,
you know what to do. Go check out Michelle Boyd with a e
(48:22):
dot com, grab your free human design chart or book.
Book a strategy session and strap in for for a great,
great session. And if you know a soul stuck in the
hustle who needs a mind shift, send them this episode. Let's
rewire. Let's rewire them real fast. Stay aligned,
stay unconventional, and stay wise. You know how your boy wise does it.
(48:45):
Peace out.
Sa.
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