From Broke to $100K in 1 Year: How to Scale Video Business

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Vipul Bindra (00:04):
Hey Sean, welcome man.
Thanks for coming over.
You know it's a new podcast, sothanks for giving me a chance.

Sean Philippe (00:11):
Yeah, of course.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah of course, man.
We talk all the time.

So, for all the new listeners and you, basically
the point of this con, thisconversation and this podcast
was I just wanted to start apodcast for years and I'm
finally actually doing itbecause, you know, having been
in this industry and hopefullynow I'm slightly successful, I
would say, uh, I would love.
You know the.
The most I learned wasconversating with other people

(00:40):
in the industry or relatedindustries, and these are the
type of conversations I wish Icould have listened to.
You know, when I was starting,or even now, as an experienced
person, I always learn somethingwhen I'm talking to another
professional, because they mayhave figured out something in
our industries moving so fast.
So, anyway, that's the wholepoint, man, we're just going to
have fun, and who knows wherethis goes.

(01:00):
So there may be some goldennuggets or they may be nothing
right, this goes.

So there may be some golden nuggets or they may
be nothing.
Right like I can't guaranteeanything, but we're gonna have
fun.

Right, I'm taking the nuggets, I don't have no
nuggets to give.
I'm here to take nuggets fromvipple and go home I I am all
open book.
I'll share everything becausethat's what I find.
You know, success comes fromsharing.
When you start to, you know, ina collaborative industry, keep
things to yourself.
You're just gonna fail you'renot gonna go anywhere.
That's at least what's workedfor me.
So I am.
I find the more I share, themore it comes back.
Yeah, so why would, why would Ikeep anything?
Yeah, so, um, I just hope, uh,people find value in this.

(01:35):
All right, let's get into it somain thing, tell me what you've
been up to man um, so right now.

So you know, 2025 .
Happy new year, by the waybrother happy new year, um 2025.
I uh, last night I sat down forlike I was working on new
year's eve so I didn't have timeto like prep my goals for 2025.
So I sat down yesterday andlike prepped my goals around um
health finances, um, uh, healthfinances, spirituality and just

(02:06):
like passions, and just wasorganizing that, did that for
like four hours.
It took a long time, wow, andI'm looking forward to 2025, man
.

What I want to know is the passions.

What are the?

passions of Mr Sean.

I want to be a salsa dancer.
I want to learn salsa.
Salsa, huh yeah yeah, I meanjust stuff that I feel like this
last year I was working so muchand there was no, nothing, just
cause nothing, that's notmaking money just for passions.
So, yeah, I actually want tolearn to salsa, dance and my
YouTube channel.

Okay, that's awesome.
So are you going to still dostand-up comedy, or what do you
think about your YouTube?
You know?

if I'm being honest man, so I've done
stand-up for like six years andyou know like, okay, you're a
successful business owner.
So you know like what it takesto be a successful business
owner, which is probably allyour attention and focus on that
thing, or it's a hobby, yeah,you know.
And for stand-up for me, I loveit so much I'm like I can't do
it as a hobby, so it's likeeither I'm doing it or not doing
it.
So I'm in a weird place rightnow.
It's like I kind of I'm like Ishouldn't do it if I'm going to

(03:12):
play with it, unless you'regoing to go all in and risk your
life trying to be a stand-upcomedian, exactly.
I mean, I don't know.
I think you're doing stand-uplate nights, thursday through
Sunday, so you're not gettinggood sleep.
Your weekends are gone.

(03:32):
You're sacrificing so much timeand I'm like I don't.
I like video's been nicebecause, like, I make my own
schedule and if I don't want towork on the weekend, I don't
have to.

Exactly.

No.

I mean yeah if had to.
Exactly, you know.
I mean yeah if you want to makemoney videos?
probably yeah, unless, unlessyou know, you become kevin hart
you know right and uh, you coulddo 20 movies in a year, you
know you're gonna different ballyeah yeah, you're gonna most
likely not make as much money.
It's a, it's a struggle game.
It's the same thing withactually video.
How many people I meet on adaily basis, you'd be amazed.

(04:02):
Or like I'm, I'm, I love this,I'm passionate about it, and yet
they're freaking starvingartists you know, that's such a
common thing in this field?
Yeah, you have to be businesssavvy to be successful.

What do you think like sets people apart?
Who who make money?
Because I've seen people whoare good that just can't figure
it out like what do you thinksets them apart?

I think um, it's the same as my story, you know.
The thing is you can bepassionate about it.
You're like, oh, if I am thebest camera operator, if I'm the
best sound?
The truth is that doesn'tmatter.
As soon as you show up on anyset, especially like Hollywood
sets, politics start to play.
It's just who you know.
You know they like you, right.
That plays more into it.

(04:43):
And same thing with businessstrategy.
So what we do, like corporatevideo, right, or commercials
it's like the client has to likeyou first, right.
It has nothing to do with yourskills.
Because the truth is, again,we're in a collaborative
industry.
So if I'm not good, guess whatI'm going to do?
I'm going to go hire in my teampeople who are going to be good
at that commercial.
So the skill is never really anissue, it's always the sales

(05:07):
part of it and which is wherepeople like me are not good, and
that's what I had to fight,because, you know, you're like,
oh, I just want to make coolvideos, right, but then I'm
broke, right, you're never notgoing to be rich.
So how do you?
How do you?
Or forget rich, just be, youknow, comfortable.
How do you do that?
And then what I found and, likeI said, I'm so glad I figured

(05:27):
this out was simple like, youhave to solve problems, right,
you cannot be the video guy, youhave to be the problem solving
guy, right.
And as a business owner notmyself I do the same thing.
If I have a problem, I'd ratherpay someone professional to
solve it then spend years,months, you know whatever days
of my life trying to figure thatout.

Figure that out yourself Exactly.

And it's so funny.
If I met my own self 10 yearsago, I'd laugh at it, because I
was the guy like going on BlackFriday, let me find the cheapest
deals you know.
And now here I am buying thingsbecause Black Friday is long
gone and I'm still buying thingsand I need them.
It's like I can't wait for nextBlack Friday.
Old Whipple would have waited.
New Whipple's like no, this isnot making me money if I don't

(06:14):
have it Right.
So so it's like that.
It's a, it's a mindset change.
I think it's very simple.
It's just you have tounderstand that how much you
want to be creative and tell meif I'm wrong.
Right, it's not going to makeyou money rich.
Right, it may make you creativerich.
Yeah, if you want to be moneyrich, you have to go solve
people's problems and you haveto understand that your skills
yeah, even though they'reawesome, are dime a dozen, right

(06:36):
?
We live in Orlando.
There's like three freakingcolleges churning out hundreds
of people every year who thinkthey can do video.
So you know, any price pointyou name, somebody will do it
cheaper.
So you cannot compete on thatright you have to compete on
giving them results andsolutions, and actually do it
too, obviously.
Yeah, and then all of a suddenyou'll find business owners are

(06:58):
willing to pay because you'remaking them way more Right and
as simple as that.
It's just that simple switch,it's just.

I find creative people have a hard time doing
yeah, I, I think it's um, it'slike a middle.
You know you definitely want tobe like you said.
You want to be good.
You know, like when I firststarted my business I had like
two philosophies that I I'velike used to tackle.
Finding clients first step, getgood.
You know you don't got to beclients.
First step, get good.
You know you don't got to bethe best, but at least get good,

(07:27):
you know.
And then from there getting infront of people who want what
you have to offer.
You know, if you can figurethose two out, then you're good.
But I feel like a lot of the,the creatives.
I know they don't do the, thenetworking part and they don get
out there and know people andmingle and stuff like that, and
it kind of puts you in a hole,you know, and and you know, I
think, we live in the freakinginstant, instant gratification

(07:48):
society so they'll go to anetworking event.

They're like I didn't get anything.
They don't understand.
It's a game.
You know, people buy frompeople.
They know like and trust.
Right, you're not gonna build afive minute handshake and two
minute conversation.
You know what I mean.
Like you have to.
You have to actually spend timeand nurture that relationship
and maybe 10 times you meet thembefore they're like oh, you
know what?
Yeah, let's do a video orsomething like that.
Or here, here's a buddy whoneeds.

(08:12):
You know you have to build thattrust.
So a lot of people, I think,just want like instantly right I
think desperation shows too,and people business owners see
through that, Cause you knowyou're a business owner.
How many emails do you getpeddling?

you Thousands every day.

So you get good at freaking, filtering out people
you don't want to buy from, butif somebody does have a good
offer, I even.
I am like hold on tell me more.

Yeah, let me see what you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't knowman.
I feel like, yeah, my businesshas been doing pretty well, just
from the networking aspect, youknow like, but I kind of made
us, I made it into a science.
You know, when it comes totalking to people, like when I

(08:59):
meet someone that I feel likewell one, I have to actually
like you.
I don, it's crazy.
I have like a list of all myfriends and people that I've met
and then, like, I try to juststay, you know, stay in touch
like every few weeks, everycouple of months, hey, how's
everything going Exactly?
And I feel like from that,people are like oh yeah, oh,
sean's on top of my mind.
Hey, sean, you know I got thisproject.

(09:20):
You I'm not doing it for that,because I actually like talking
to them, but I still want tonurture that relationship, you
know because, we get so busysometimes I find we forget.
Oh, building a friendship takestime and effort, you know.

Yeah exactly.
No, I'm totally with you.
Networking and business skillsare far more important in being
successful, even if you didn'twant to like.
Obviously, we're trying tobuild production companies and
new production companies, but ifsomebody wanted to just be DP,
you still need to it.
As somebody who actively hiredDPs, I'm like looking for that

(09:53):
relationship.
I'm always going to hiresomebody I know and trust over
somebody I've never met.
I don't care what you've shotbefore, because at the end of
the day, my name is on the linewhen I bring you on my set and
if you do something stupid or ifyou don't achieve what I'm
expecting you to achieve, it'sgoing to be my head on the table
, not theirs.
So that's what I tell peoplelike build a relationship with

(10:15):
me.
I get 10 emails every day.
It's like hey, I would love tolearn.
I'll just come work for free.
And I'm like it's not aboutfree, it's free.
And I'm like it's not aboutfree, right, it's about I don't
know you and I cannot have youin a professional set.
The better advice I'm like isjust ask for coffee.
I'm very rarely say no topeople.
I'm always like okay, I'll bein back in town and you know, on
this day, let's have coffee.
I'll always say yes because thetruth is, uh, you know, I want

(10:37):
them to see that, I want peopleto learn and meet, you know,
because I don't want want whatwas going around me, right.
When I was in my early dayspeople didn't want to meet, they
didn't want to share.
And then I quickly find out,the people who are successful
wanted to share.
It's only the people whoweren't making money.
They were like, oh, I got tokeep all this to myself and I'm

(10:58):
happy to do that, but I'm notgoing to bring anyone to my set
unless I absolutely know themright.

I gonna bring anyone to my set unless I
absolutely know them right.
I like that approach.
That's that's smart, likeasking for for car.
You hear that you young, youyoung, is out there, that's
trying to get out there becauseI've been offered that too.
Like, oh, I'll work for freeand I'm like I don't really need
, I'll figure out the money partif you, if you need to get paid
and you're good, but like, yeah, that doesn't make me want to
meet you, but yeah, if you wantto have a conversation.
yeah, come on.
Absolutely Ask questions.

And now that's why I'm doing this is hopefully
they can learn from real people,and obviously I'm not saying
there'll be two hours of goodinformation, but I'm sure
there'll be nuggets that theycan pull out of it, but that's
just the truth.
You need to have conversationswith people who are already
where you want to be.
Stop learning, because mybiggest issue issue online man,
and then we do videos.

(11:44):
Scrolling through instagram,it's like every other freaking
person is like peddling courses.
Everybody, dude and it's like,uh, do you want to make 150 a
month?
K a month.
Let me show you.
I have a guaranteed process.
It's like, dude, if you weremakes, if you're so good, then
where's your video company?
I want to first see that.
Yeah, you know, I want to seethe videos that you work, the

(12:04):
clients that you work, whoyou're doing, because the truth
is that is their business.
Their business is education,which is fine.
I have nothing against it.
But you can get thatinformation cheaper and better
for somebody who's actually inthe grind, you know who's
actually doing it Right andyou're going to find success way
easier.
And you're going to findsuccess way easier and you don't
have to pay for any of thesestupid courses.

Yeah.

And, like I said, the easiest thing is just ask
for coffee, and you won'tbelieve how many people who've
done that where I've been, likeyou know, and it may not happen
immediately.

I want to know.

But if I'm like having a set and I'm like, hey,
that person may be good, hey, doyou want to come BTS or do you
want to come do something?
Yeah, want to come bts or doyou want to come do something?
Yeah, and then I'm even happyto pay them a little money,
right, right.
But that's how you graduate andyou know, once you've been on a
few sets, now you can be likeokay, I'm confident, let me go
work.
Uh, instead of just straight uplike I'll come for free and I'm

(12:55):
like it's not about money yeah,I gotta know you, I gotta know
who you are.
You might, you might, be stankyeah or worst case you know,
they come to the client and thenthey start talking about their
ex or or what you know somethingstupid, weird that we don't.
That you know makes themuncomfortable and, you know,
make ruins my relationship andlike we just were talking about,
I will.

I will say there's some weird people in
this scene.
I gotta mess with people.
I'm like awkward, you know.
So it's like, yeah, you, yougotta, I gotta vet you, I gotta
make sure you're not gonna likeruin my relationship with
clients.
You know y'all can makeeveryone feel uncomfortable.
You know it's like I can't justhire you because you're good.

Yeah, it's a lot and then are you good?
This is the other issue.
Is that what again?
What they're teaching you inschool is?
Like oh, do this, do that, andthen you realize that's not how
we actually do it especially inthe corporate world yeah there's
no delineation, as in most setsare.
Tell me if I'm wrong.
10 or less people right, and so, even though I may be like sean

(13:51):
, you're my dp.
Guess what you're picking a bagyou're bringing a light.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, I'm like so gaffer's busy.

Can you put up the ?

stain.
You might be janitor for alittle bit.

You're doing a little bit everything, and that
that you know, I and and I wantto be very humble about that If
I'm hiring people and if I'mhappy to pick up stands and bags
and set up a light, then theycan.
Right, and that's just thenature of a corporate commercial
job.
You don't have big, huge crewswith big separate departments.

I've definitely come across some people who
stick to their role and they'relike I don't touch sandbags.
You gotta touch the sandbag.

You're not gonna last right.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Especially in the corporate field, Because I'm
like when it's so little, soless people.

You gotta be flexible.

Yeah, you can't just be.
I've seen people like that whoare literally?
Power pose standing in thecenter Alright.
I'm just touching my cameraespecially.

I understand if, like, if we have time, then you
of course you can let everybodydo what they gotta do, but if
we're on a time crunch, you got30 minutes, yo get the sandbag
exactly what are you doing?

yeah, I don't even know why that's such a problem.
I've had that happen where I'vebeen like, uh, hey, here's your
, here's your stand for yourDana Dolly or whatever, and that
person goes eh, it's not my job.
Yes, it's like last time Ichecked.
This is not Hollywood, you know.
And as somebody who doessometimes not all the time, but
I do tend to be lucky to be onbigger sets, and when I am I

(15:19):
understand the hierarchy right,and then if there are 50 people
on set, it be the opposite whereyou know you're not grip, and
now you start freaking, pullingfrom the grip they're not gonna
be happy about it.
So so there's, there's a placefor hierarchy but, that's not
small corporate sets yeah youknow we're doing talking heads
and and commercials.

Yeah, corporate interviews and stuff yeah, like
it's crazy man, it's corporateinterviews and mainly what
you're doing right now too,right yes, so I do a few big
commercials a year, I would say.

And then most of what we do is, you know,
technically I work directly withclients most of the time I help
you buddies out around the dp.
But normally I am doing, youknow, all sorts of corporate
videos like you knowtestimonials, training videos,
recruitment videos, stuff likethat.
So which is mostly talking headand b-roll yeah, that's just
what the?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
best yeah, and it's the best is what pays the best.

Yeah, yeah, yeah because ultimately you're
solving their business problem,whatever that is.
And then the craziest thing, ona small level sounds so easy
interview b-roll.
But you would be amazed howhard that can get, because once
you return with 30 minutes ofunscripted content, that makes
no sense you know what I meanand you somehow form a story out

(16:33):
of it.
It's a challenge.
I think there's a lot in postthat we do.
Obviously, we do great whenwe're filming too, but there's a
lot that goes to it and I stilltreat those sets like Hollywood
.

You've been on set.
Oh yeah, I've seen I, I.

I believe, personally, client experience is
important too, because these,these people don't know what
cameras you're using.
You could show with the phoneand they they don't know.
Yeah, but they do know the size.
They do though the quality.
Once you deliver, they can seea cheaper camera, an expensive
camera and tell that there's adifference in the final footage.
They don't know what, what thedifference is right but they

(17:07):
know that something's different.
Camera has 70 buttons on it butbut I've had like clients go
okay, so we we hired avideographer, uh, and we're not
happy.
I've even had funny.
So I I'll tell you one storythat happened years ago where I
talked to someone.
We pitched them a proposal.
They're like okay, we'll thinkabout it, Right.
And I was like, okay, you know,no pressure environment, so

(17:29):
whatever.
And then come to find out, amonth ago somebody came like the
typical sales guy, sold them avideo, even made the video like
same day type of you know, hey,we'll make you a video.
And then the video was done.
I told them a whole packageright, here's going to be a
walkthrough, here's going to bea commercial, there's going to
be interviews about each of theperson.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Like you know it was very extensive yeah.

And it was solving real world problems that they
had.
And this was just a funny videothat they made them like go
wave the office staff and thenset to music.
There's like and so the clientdoesn't understand, obviously,
the technicality that they wereneeded to be interviewed, b-roll
.
But you know what they told meand that they called me back.
I was like they're like we'reready to move forward with you

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and then come to find out and Iwas like what happened?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
they were like well, you know, they pitched it was
cheaper.

But then when we got the video, we're like this
is not what we wanted, right?
So so kind of like, yeah, andthen the client, and then they
come back, so it's okay, youknow yeah because they and then
they obviously loved our videosyeah, that's exactly that's what
you wanted.

Yeah, it costs.
Sometimes it costs to get whatyou want exactly because you
know I had freaking staff there.
It's not and also people.

It's not just money.
You know, for it's like no, Ihad to have, you know, sound guy
, I need to have freaking twocam ops and we're doing actively
.
You know equipment andeverything and we have to
somehow manage that in a liveworking space where clients are
coming in and out, we can'tdisturb that.
So we have to, you know, tearapart, build their office or
whatever, to have space for usto film.

(19:01):
Point is it's not cheap, right.
At the same time, it's notexpensive because the truth is
tell me if I'm wrong Again Ithink my clients report on
average making over 10X returnimmediately from my videos and
that's not because I'm sellingany returns.

I'm selling good looking videos.
That's it.
That's what we do.

But at the end of the day, if videos are effective
, they immediately go to workand make money right.

Yeah, the way I usually frame it with my clients
, I don't really do like a 10xthing, but I'm like, if you have
a quality brand, why wouldn'tyou want a quality video,
exactly like plain and simple?
I mean, nike's not putting outno like iphone, like scrainy
video.

It doesn't look good and funny thing is you can
now have you seen?
The Apple events man.
Oh yeah, dude, like so.
But what's funny is I love whenthey put the BTS out, because I
knew it as soon as I saw itFirst time.
You know when they did it itwas what, a or whatever, and I'm

(20:10):
like whoa, it took me back fora second, but then as soon as I
went back I was like, oh, I getit, I see it.
But at the same time it's goodbecause not it's an iphone, it's
which?
Iphones are pretty good now,but it's not the camera, it's
the condor behind and the hugecrew behind this like freaking
they made custom rigs for it.
You know, there's something thatthe moves that they're doing
yeah I'm like dude, like ofcourse, of course the camera
wasn't even factor in the budget.
Obviously that was the goal topromote, but it's the people,

(20:31):
the crew, the equipment it's allthat, all that goes into it
good, not the camera.
I have personally snuck iphoneshots in commercials before, and
this is when I I'm talkingiphone 10 the camera wasn't that
good.
And people couldn't tell.
But the thing is, I didn't doit because I liked iPhone better
.
It was just an angle we neededto get and there was no other

(20:51):
way to get yeah.
It was a tight office.
It's where we can get it and wedid.
And at that time we werefilming on RED and it fit with
the RED footage just fine.
So and it fit with the redfootage, just fine.
People couldn't even freakingtell I still don't have the
agency.
The agency is never.
They may know now.

I didn't mention the exact commercial.

But you know, like the agency, nobody ever came
and says like this shot.

Is that an iPhone footage?

So it's like helium and monster footage.
And then there's an iPhone 10shot in there.
Yeah, yeah, so that's what I'msaying.
Camera, so that's what I'msaying.
Camera to me nowadays doesn'tmatter as much, it is the people
behind it.
I think that makes such a bigdifference.

Yeah, for sure.
So, as you know, I'm a new FX6owner as of, I think, february
last year.
Welcome to the family, I knowyeah, it was tough for me to
kind of make myself get it.
I knew that my camera doesn'treally matter because I can get
the footage with the FX three, aseven, s, two, whatever you can
do it.

(21:49):
But then, iPhone, like you canmake it happen.
But then it was like, like yousaid earlier, like the appeal of
the camera, like I've gotten somany jobs just from like, oh,
you have that camera.
All right, cool, I'll take it orlike I'll go to set on like a
client shoot and they're like,whoa, what is that thing?
It just blows their mindbecause they can't understand it
.
But I'm looking at them like Ican get whatever I'm getting

(22:10):
from this camera.
I can get from the cheapest$500 camera too, but it's just
yeah but they can't tell.

Here's to controversy.
Let's start at first we gettingcontroversial.
I'll tell you two things here,that's going to be complete
opposite, I don't like the FX6.

You don't like it .
Oh my, Let me get your cameras.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Let me do that the other way.

I own two of them and they have paid for
themselves like 100 times over.

Yeah, yeah.

The cameras make money right.
Now if somebody came to meblindly and was like, what
camera do I buy?
I would literally tell them FX6, even though it's three years
old.
Because here's the truth.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah.

The camera makes money.
It makes money and the truth isthe positives right now.
Now they're throwing shit at.

Sony.

The image is better.
I can tell a difference betweenFX3 and FX6.
I can tell the differencebetween A7S2 and FX9 and FX6.
But the truth is, like you said, our clients are not going to
be able to tell especially withgood lighting and good sound.
That's what they're going tonotice more than the camera.
So camera doesn't matter.
But the truth is, when youbring in FX6 to set, you throw a

(23:15):
good lens and a good matte box,not only are you going to get
good image, the client sees areal camera.
They go ooh.

I wanted that.

That's what I expected.
Yeah, when you put a fx3 on agimbal right because we that's
what I prefer over fx6 theclient goes hey, what, what?
Why did we switch to a smallcamera right?
That's just a nature of humans.
They don't understand that thesensor is pretty much the same I
don't think it's exactlybecause it doesn't match.
Yeah, but the people say it'ssomehow same.
Either way, I I know I can get%and it's a better unit when we

(23:48):
need to quickly grab B-rollRight.
But to a client, you know, it'slike all of a sudden they go
what happened?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Why are we using tiny and?

so that's the truth and that's why I'm like
you'll make more money If youcould only have one.
You got to have the FX6.
Yeah, if you could only haveone.
You got to have the FX6 becausethat camera makes so much money
.

It's crazy yeah.

And it's not even like I said.
The quality is good, I thinkthe camera's fine, I just don't
like the ergonomics person, Ithink there's way better cameras
out there.
But truth is, if I could owneven more, I'd buy two more
because I know I can go out andmake the money back.

It just makes sense.

Because, at the end of the day, I'm thinking as
a business owner and to me allthat matters is ROI, my return
on investment on the camera Idon't want, because you know
these don't sell.
The truth is, especially oncethe new one comes out, when I go
to sell them I'm not going toget that much money, even 30,

(24:45):
40% at most a c70.
He's gonna be next on thepodcast.
Talk to him about that.
Tell him get fx6.
Hey, funny enough, I love thec70.
I used to at one point own fourof them, oh, and it was one of
my favorite cameras, funnyenough.
So the two, okay, the currentworkhorses, for us at least, are
on the alexas, yeah, uh, themini and the million mini and
lfs on the higher end commercialand interview stuff, and then
lower end I end, I said lower,mid to lower end is FX6 and FX3.

(25:07):
That's the cameras I'm usingnowadays and that's what the
demand is Right.
But if I could choose, I wouldchoose C70.
Yeah, dude, the image on thething is the closest thing I've
ever seen to.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Alexa the.

DJO sensor is beautiful, but again it doesn't
make you money it doesn't makemoney and as soon as I switched,
I'm telling you as soon as Iswitched from Canon to Sony, I
made my camera money back.
Like it cost me what 30, 40grand, I think that switch when
I did a couple years ago, but itwas immediately I'm talking
like two weeks.

(25:40):
It was paid off.
I was surprised, Crazy, and I'mholding the camera and, to be
real, I was new to the sonyecosystem so I'm going.
You know I'm used to at thattime reds and cannons and you
know, alexis I wasn't used tothe sony ecosystem I had.
I shot a couple of videos on fxeffect, fs5s or whatever yeah,
yeah, the point is and even thenI had hated it.
I was like I'm just shootingbecause the the, the person

(26:02):
wants me to, uh.
But so I was going like I don'tknow the ergonomics work for
this or whatever, yeah.
But then when I was like, oh,the demand, everyone's like oh,
you got two fx6s, sure, let'sput it to work.
Oh, you can bring fx3s.
Oh, you, let's let's do it, andthen I was like this was the
best decision ever I am never Iam never going back and that's
what I tell people.

(26:22):
If you're starting out, whatcamera can you get?
Fx6.
Right, corporate world again,and then, second camera, get an
FX3.
Between the two of them you cando Everything you need.
I think 99% of you know andbecause you can always rent.

For high-end commercials.
You can rent something better.

You know, you can rent a Barano.
You can rent a Barana, you canrent a Lexus or whatever.

Corporate work.
If you're trying to make somemoney, fx6 all day.
So last year, as you know, Istarted my business two years
ago.
I only started two years ago.
Year one, I made like $10,000.
It was tough.
I don't know how I ate.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
In Orlando?
Yeah, it was tough.

I had a ZBE 10.
Your rent is like 10.
Yeah, I struggled.
I was on the street, it wastough, it was a hard time.
But last year you know that'swhen I bought client work was
starting to come in.
Things are, you know, pickingup steam.
I had the money and I was likeyou know what?
Fx6?

it just makes sense and I think the only
reason I made six figures lastyear is because of the fx6.
Six figures first time, firsttime my life.

I don't know, people are obsessed again I
don't think the number matters,from 10,000 to six figures, it
matters hey, uh, no, I know thefirst time I hit it, you know,
man that was like oh, if I couldjust make six figures from
video, why would I have a job?

or whatever you know, and that was the dream and
then, when you finally hit it,I was like I need to make more.

I got to make so much more.
I was doing taxes this morning.
I was like I got to make more.
What are you talking about?

Yeah, because you forget, because now you got to
freaking pay taxes,self-employment taxes.
You got to pay here TPP?
No, not TPP.
Tangible property, which is Ithink is egregious tax there's
so many freaking taxes you gotto pay and it's just crazy.

I actually wanted to ask you are you LLC, s-corp?
So LLC LLC.
Have you thought about becomingS-Corp?

Yes, this year.
So know I'm a big believer inequipment which is the worst
thing.
I would say Buy nothing.
Yeah, that's how you makeactual money, but Don't be like
this man.
Please Look.
And I think that's whatdifferentiates me, because, like
I was, telling you.
I'm an artist who loves cameras,lights, sound, everything Like.

(28:44):
I am obsessed with this right,I live and breathe video.
But the truth is I'm also abusiness owner and I can
separate the two and I can tellyou as a business owner look,
equipment has never made memoney, right, but that doesn't
mean I'm going to stop buyingequipment he loves it.
So business has been great as in.
Like you know, I do thebusiness, I make lots of money

(29:04):
and I just pour into you knowgas, you know gear acquisition
syndrome Right right, my problemI need help, save me.

But anyway, but yeah.

So the advice I give, that's why I tell anyone
I'm like man, you don't need tobuy any equipment because, guess
what, most people I hire,especially on the mid to lower
level, I provide them all theequipment.
You don't need to own anythingto be working on my set, so why
would you go buy it?
And even if you want to be a dp, let's say, just have one
camera package, yeah, fx6, butthat's it.
Any production you go rent, youknow, your grip truck or your

(29:36):
sound guy or whatever to makethe production happen.
There's no reason for you to ownthat much equipment, like
people start to, because thetruth is at that level your
equipment isn't good enoughanyway so so the truth.
So, for example, right, I'llgive you an idea what most
people will do.
They're like oh, I need ashotgun.
And then they'll go google, oh,mkh416 is good.

(29:57):
And then they'll rent it.
Not rent it, they'll buy it,add it to their kit, because now
they have good, good sound.
And then the first time theyuse it, they're like um, it
doesn't sound good.
Because what they don't realizeis don't go to these youtubers,
because their mic is good, verygood, but it's directional.
And guess what most people do incorporate world?
They're not actors, they'regoing, yeah yeah, exactly, and

(30:18):
then your sound is going in andit doesn't sound that great and
you're disappointed and that's,and you would have been better
off with something cheaper.
Just to go buy for your regulartalking heads and anything
better.
You should be budgeting for asound guy and in trying to be
cheap you screwed yourself over.
And now, guess what, you cansell that mic for it's $500

(30:39):
instead of $1,000, instant $500loss because that mic has been
around for two, three decadesand there's tons of them out
there.

There's too much of them yeah.

So the point it wasn't a good investment.
So, I say buy the least amountof gear you can do some projects
with and anytime you do biggerprojects, always rent gear.
Right, that doesn't mean that'swhat I do.

I know that's not what you do.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Yeah, I know that I'm notsaying all, that's not what you
do.
No, that's not what you do.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
I've seen what you do .

I've seen the binger production labels on
thousands of gear.

I know what you do , hey, anyone who wants to rent
it.
I got a whole production manfor you to rent.

Oh yeah, he got it, he got it.

If you want it, I'll rent it to you.
There you go, there we go.

We'll work together route of, like you have
all this gear.
A lot of people I feel likethey collect gear and they don't
make money off of the gear but,like, as a business owner,
return on investment, like Ihave to make a return on
investment.
Yeah, even though it took awhile, you collected all this
gear, but now you have this griptruck so it's like, okay, I'm
gonna make my money back afterall this, these decades of
collecting gear no, I've beentalking about for a couple years
, you know this man, everyonehas known me it's hurt it
because, um, I had a van andanother trailer set up and I
loved it I think I made even ayoutube video about it but

(31:49):
because it was so functional.

But the problem was when, uh, in orlando, you
know downtown and stuff, it'sjust hard to maneuver a trailer
and then you have to unhook hook.
So I wanted to go to a vansetup.
So when I sold it the plan wasimmediately.
But then, you know, the businessside of me took over is like
this doesn't make financialsense because I'm flying 80 of
the time for my gigs, right.
So I'm like, why do I need avan?

(32:11):
Point is, but I did need it formy, you know, still remaining
20, I would say, non-travel gigs, or within florida or georgia,
maybe something like that.
But point is, and I never madethe purchase.
But having finally done so, I'mhappy to put the gear to work,
because what was happening was,you know, when I have a project,
sure, the gear goes to work,but the rest of them is sitting,
and sitting gear is just notmaking money yeah so now that

(32:34):
it's in a van, guess what?
I can not only do my projectsand do them way more efficiently
, and, uh, now, the days thatI'm available or the van's just
available, it can be rented out,it can be working and it can be
helping other filmmakers.
I have no problem with themmaking money, because obviously
I'm not charging that much money.
I think my rates are freakingincredibly low because I just

(32:57):
want them to pay for the van.
I already have the equipment.

Yeah, yeah, paid his van off.

So you know, it's like it's both ways a good deal.
And the crazy thing is it justmakes me so happy because I
wanted a legit grip man.
You know I rent them, so I'vebeen like watching other
people's grip bands, like I goto New York, I go to LA and I'm
like ooh.
And now to finally have likeactual and I'm talking like
legit frames corners.

You know what?
Throw up an image of the van onit Frames corners.
You know what?
Throw up an image of the van onthe video.
I can go take a photo.

Yeah, yeah, Put an image on the video real quick.
Dude, this is live.
I don't know how to do that.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Never mind, we're just kidding.

But anyway they can go see it.
I gotta make a tour video ofthat, yeah for sure.
But the point is Again, it'ssomething that makes me happy,
it's something that's veryfunctional for me.
But again, financially, what Irecommend to people?
No, especially in this market,right, there's not enough demand
.
Yeah, if you were just like, oh, I'm going to make a grip van
to make rental money, unless youalready have the gear, like,
yeah, you already had everything, so it makes sense.

(33:53):
Yeah, I just needed to get thevan and even that's been so
freaking expensive.
Yeah, and the padding, thefloors, the ramp, everything's
been a nightmare.
Buying all that and thengetting installed, so I wouldn't
recommend it.
But like I said, especially nowthat I have it, there's not
that many in this area.
I don't know the demand.

(34:14):
We'll find out.

But I know I can put it to use, yeah.

Either way it's good.
It's good for you.

Yeah exactly.

Hey, I want to back that up a little bit.
So what are you?
Are you an S-Corp or LLC?

So as of yesterday, I'm an S-Corp.

Ooh, this year you made the switch.

What made you switch?
So what did you tell people?
So, after you know, firstsix-figure year last year, look
at my taxes.
I think I'm going to owe aboutlike $10,000 in taxes.

That's not bad though.

Yeah, it's not terrible, but I was like I have
all the gear I need.
I don't see myself buying anymore gear, which is why I'm like
if I didn't buy gear last yearby the way it's IRS listening.

How's 10% your tax rate, sir?

But no, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Next, thing, this podcast could be over my best
friend.

You know, I love you.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
IRS right.

Yeah, good one.
Well, yeah, I paid myself like50K and then the other 50K.
I spent a lot on gear and thenI had like whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, I know, what you're?

I'm just joking, yeah.

So like I'm like I bought all this, I spent, like
I think, 30,000 on camera gearand I'm like this year I'm not
going to spend $30,000 on cameragear because I have my FX, are
you sure?
I'm 100%.

Sean, I'm talking to you in the future Do not buy
any more gear.

All right, you're done.

This is the other side talking.

Don't listen to that side.

There's a Mark II coming out.
I might buy it.

But that's the last one, and then I'm done
after that, are you sure?
Okay, from Mark II to FX3 too,I might have to.
I don't know, maybe.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Next year I'll stop buying and there goes more money
.

I just got to make more money, that's it.
But yeah, so I, if I'm notbuying any gear this year or any
major gear, I'm going to savemost of that money.
But if you save most of yourmoney, you pay more taxes.
So it's like S-Corp just makesmore sense.
If I make $100K again next yearand I pay myself $50K again and
I have $50K sitting in myaccount, I don't want to pay

(36:17):
taxes on that.
So become an S-Corp and you payless taxes on the $50K.

Exactly.
I think the biggest thing istalk to cpa, the biggest thing
people do is again you know, you, you, you start doing this,
finally start making money, andmost people just go oh, I gotta
keep it all and the truth is theonly way you can grow, because
last thing you want to do is youknow, and having done that yeah
, receipts from the year justall over your mileage everywhere

(36:43):
and you may make mistakes it'sjust better to hire a
professional and you're funnyyou'll make more money because,
yeah, a good cpa will find youways to save on taxes.
They'll find right and they'll.
They'll just help you.
Just set up, like if it's timefor s-carp or or what can you do
?
Or prepare you for the nextyear.
You won't be.
You'll be amazed how manyclients of mine will just like
in december yeah, pay me for thenext year because you know they

(37:04):
can write off video productionas advertising yeah okay, next
year we want to buy 10 grand ofvideo all and I'm like, okay,
sure, so money comes in not thatright off yeah, because
december is, you know, a slowermonth for video typically.
I mean, my december is prettygood this this year lucky I
don't jinx it, but but the pointis, you know, uh, so so people

(37:25):
will do that and that's a goodrevenue source.
I'm like sure, absolutely, andwrite it all write it all off
because they, because their cpstold them hey, you gotta spend
10 grand or whatever right andI'd rather be on video, because
the truth is, video will growtheir business versus some other
equipment, like I said, willnot usually give you the return
on investment you're looking for.
So I'm happy to take that andthat.

(37:45):
It hurts, though, when you goout to actually film it six
months later.
Then you go.
I'm not making money, I'mmaking zero dollars Exactly,
which is why you need a good CPAand money management and
business skills that are soimportant, but no, but that's so
important, man.
You got to find the rightprofessionals.
Build a good team around you,get good mentors and I think

(38:10):
that's the success, that's howyou get it it's not by yourself,
you know, stop, stop beingalone and that's what, um, you
know, changed, like I said, thegame for me, yeah, because,
believe it or not, which is,like I said, why I wanted to
have these conversations,because, uh, when I started, I
just felt so alone yeah, becauseyou know, and especially and I
know I'm an I'm an obsessivepersonality, so I get it.
I do more than most, but I waslike talking to you know, when I

(38:31):
was like, especially when I gotall in, I you know, my job is
done.
Everything I'm just solelydoing video right.
All I could talk about is videoright and and people around me,
don't care because they're, youknow, they're not the video
people.
So finding my tribe, findingpeople you know, like you like
right who are?
feeling the same way, actuallyso important for your sanity,

(38:53):
because last thing you want todo is feel like you're alone.
Yeah, because then you feellike, am I right, am I wrong?
Because you can't make theright decision.
So it's very important to findyour tribe and then believe it
or not.
A cpa even though they're notvideo people, they're part of
your tribe they're helping youmake more money, they're helping
you be more successful and uhlike I just recommend it to

(39:14):
anyone.

Yeah got to, yeah , and I definitely I didn't
notice like why I would likevideo so much.
Like I said, I just stand upcomedy before and then you know,
get into video and I'm like, oh, because stand up is by
yourself, like you're not onstage with anybody else.
You're up there by yourself,you're doing the shows by
yourself, maybe a couple friends, but usually it's like random
people that you've never doneshows with and it's just like ah

(39:35):
, all right heckling, you, yeah,you heckle an audience you
gotta drive home in silencebecause you bombed this.
It was terrible, you know.
But like with video, it's like,oh that's.
I'm hanging out with people allthe time.
It's like you're building thisbit, even if you're not they're
not your employees you'rebuilding like this community,
and I think that's the thing Ilove most about like working in
the video space no, that's mything and I'm I'm um introvert,

(39:59):
so I like to surround myselfwith extroverts like you.

Yeah, I'm introvert too.
He always says this to me.
You say that, you say literallymeditated this morning.

I made sure I got eight hours of sleep because I
know my social battery like itdrains very quickly.
Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, here I'mrunning on maybe one hour of
sleep.
Oh really, you're crazy, you'recrazy.
That's my life.

No, but that's my fault.
Yeah, let's not dig deeper here, but what I'm trying to say is,
like you know, if there wasfive other people like me, we'd
be, like you know, so focused oncertain things, sudoku or
something like that.

Yeah, no, no.

But I'm saying even on set, like I'm so hyper
focused on settings.
I like to bring people on setwho are like fun and you know an
extra word, because itcontrasts, so I can focus on,
especially when I'm'm directing.
I'm thinking about 10 000 otherthings, right, and again, small
sets.
So also I'm like thinking aboutevery department, everything
and how we can manage it with afour-person team, let's say, for

(40:56):
example, right.
So last thing I want is theclient to see that the thought
process, because you know um.
So having three other people,let's say, who are more
extroverted yeah, I mean, set isfun, I'm having a good time,
clients having a good time,right, it's very important, but
that's what I'm saying.
It doesn't mean you have to beextroverted.
That's why you collaborate rightif you're extroverted, maybe

(41:17):
bring some introverted peoplewho can more focus on the work
and not everyone's not justtalking too much and for me it's
the opposite, right I'm like Idon't want too too much silence,
because that would drive mecrazy, even though I'm
introverted, right right.
I want everyone to be having agood time, and I need people
like you, you know, to cracksome jokes or whatever.

(41:37):
It's a lot of pressure.
Vipples.

Make my clients happy?
Yes, exactly.

You're not only just camera grip.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
You're also a comedian.

Welcome to the corporate video production.
That's the world we live in.

So you think you're going to do this long
term though.

Yeah, I don't know.
I'm just kind of going with theflow, if I'm being honest,
because you're new, but you'realso successful right, you
figured this out.

A lot of people take sometimes years to figure
out.
You're also successful, right?
You figured this out a lot ofpeople take sometimes years to
figure out.
You've figured out very quick,yeah, and I saw that immediately
and I, and again I have to sayit you may not take it, but your
personality has to do with it.
People want to be around you,right, I know I want to be
around you, so I know yourclients want to be around you
and when people want around you,they want to hire you right.
People buy from people they knowlike and trust.
Yeah, so you, you have anadvantage from your personality

(42:29):
because you're a nice guy right.

Maybe, and I'm good.

Maybe I don't know about the good part, we can
debate that, but anyway pointout.
Yeah yeah, yeah but you knowyou've had faster success than
most people, so do you thinkyou're going to now stick with
this, or you know?
I mean, you know you see thisas a short-term thing.

I've seen some numbers from some friends
recently and I'm like oh themnumbers look nice.
So I might have to stick withthis a little longer.
I want to see, because I'm likeI see what I did last year.
This year the goal is to doubleand then we'll see what we can
do, just optimizing mystrategies.

So what's the magic number?
250.
250?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you thinkthat's good.
I think I can do that this year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then next year go up and hit an M, and
then I'll see how.

I feel from there, look at that 250, then an M.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean and tobe real the thing is, it's
doable as long as you understandwhat it takes, Right, Because
to go to 250, very easy in myopinion, especially from 100.
If you're already at 100,.

You know what you're doing.
It's got to double down.

Yeah, which is doable.
But then to go from 250 to amil, now it's a completely
different game, because guesswhat?
Now you have to become the guyin the chair because you
yourself care.
I mean, I don't want to jinx it, but it's hard to do a million
by yourself, right?

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah.

You have to hire other teams and have other
people go out and do shoots foryou.
That's what the rest of thatrevenue a lot of time comes from
is.
You become the boss, right, butyou have to then become the guy
in the chair or the guy on theheadset.
You think you're going to be ashappy doing that?
Yeah, 100%.

I hate holding the camera.
I don't want everyone to knowthat, dude, sometimes y'all
shoot me.
I'm like man.
I don't want to hold this heavy, heavy behind camera.
My back hurt.

Like I want to pay somebody to do this and just
like organizing orchestrate.

I want to be a.
What's it called?

I'm talking about the symphony.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know whatyou mean.
Yeah, yeah orchestrator.

Yeah, yeah, I want to do that, I don't.

I mean, I love the .

I love playing with them and stuff like that
for personal stuff but like forclient shoes, I'm like I'd
rather just direct yeah and seefor me it's a balance, the time
Exactly and then I can go makemoney on my own shoots when I
can.
Direct.

And, to be honest, I like directing and producing.
It's my favorite thing, but Iam an inherently.
You know I love being a DP guyfor some guy and I cannot do
that on my sets.

If I did that, I would not have you know I would
not be able to pay my bills.
Who's going to direct?

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Exactly who's going to be the boss, exactly.

So, you know, I call you, I'll be the boss.
I mean, hey, you're reachingfor the stars and I think you
can get it, man, I don't want tomake a joke about that.

This morning, man .
That's why I'm like, if I'mplanning to make 250, I'm
expecting to make 250.
So I'm like, alright, get theS-corp ready.
You know what I'm saying.
And now I got my emails andeverything.
Everything's ready to go and Ijust got to figure out how to do
it.
So what are you going to dodifferent this year?
I think I'm going to do moreoutreach.
So last year was a lot ofnetworking but I didn't really

(45:42):
do much cold outreach.
I got some clients from coldoutreach, but this year I'm like
I'm going ham on the coldoutreach.
I'm reaching out to get mystrategy for you young guys out
there, marketing agencies,production companies, av
companies and conferences allover Florida Sending emails.

if I got to go to conferences and pass out cards
and just meet people and just gosuper hard on getting more
people to know who, who I am andwhat I offer.

You know that's pretty good.
That's pretty good strategy.
Yeah I'm like I'm like I did alittle bit of that last year.
I made 100k.
So if I go like crazy and Iwork, all day every day.
I should be good.
Yeah, I think that's doable.

So, um, what's your like goal?
Like, how often are you gonnado that?
Like how, what's your like youhave a ratio often are you going
to do that?
Like how, what's your like youhave a ratio that, hey, this
much I go out and do this andthis much actually work.

Um, yeah, right now it's kind of like I'm kind
of figuring out a lot of itstill on myself.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, I'm I'm doing thevideo, I'm um, as far as like
emails, I'm trying to send likea hundred hundred a day and then
, um with like going toconferences or like networking
at least, at least once a monthat least, but I gotta find like

(46:54):
the right places to go.

So you're trying to get hired by um by other
people, right, because?
So you're not trying to be theagency.
You're getting hired by theagency.
Is that your goal?

right, yeah, either the agency or directly
with the client the client yeah,that's what you do.
I that sort of money's, thatespecially like, because, like
one thing I do a lot is a lot ofconference video and I'm like,
bro, these people paying like ahundred thousand just to be here
, yeah, just to get a booth spot.
So I'm like y'all got money.
Yeah, you know what I mean, yougot it that that's huge.

Here in vegas, I think, are the two big places if
you want to just make moneydoing conferences.
They're a little boring work,but they're definitely the
money's there.
Cause they're paying so muchthey want to capture that
content.

And that's the only time they can.
Once in a lifetime.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, exactly.

Or once in a year .

Once in a year, yeah exactly, and you can find
repeat clients.

I was going to say like anybody here that's
looking, looking for an industryto get into.
I like the event space because,like, if you do a good job and
you make good connections, theycome back every year.
Like I had a client last year.
They reached out to me to do aconference in atlanta and they
were like this is the best videoI've ever had.
Like thank you, the last guysuck.
Like, you're so awesome, we'regoing to vegas next year.

(48:01):
We can fly you out.
Like it's gonna be like sevenday shoot.
I'm like, yeah, fine, and thisis only just me.
Like no crew like just gimbal,gimbal camera and like that
appeared like 5 000, you know.

Look at that, make that, make that dough.
But that's what it's about see.
To them, the value is they knowwhat they're gonna get right,
and that's a lot of people don'tget.
I've had some clients and thisis more from clients perspective
who who don't understand it.
Yeah, they're like why wouldn'tI just hire local?
Because consistency is key.
You can't have one video look sogood and then the other one
kind of be off and right yourbrand has to have consistent

(48:34):
image, so they will gladly payfor you to fly anywhere and
everywhere, because that is moreimportant than the little cost
of travel, right?
So don't be hesitant, because Ifind a lot of people also don't
want to then charge for thetravel they're like I'll travel
for free, or yeah, sure, justget me a hotel, or maybe I'll
sleep.
I've had two minutes of sleep inmy car and I'm like no, you've

(48:56):
got to be able to value yourself, because if they're bringing
you, they value you, they valueyou, because they can always
hire a local.
That's just the truth.
So if you're flying, that meansyou are valued and you are
important, so that means youshould be treated well.
You know right for sure.
Now, that doesn't mean go startasking for business class.
Yeah, I'm not.

(49:18):
I'm not buying any businessclass tickets for me and I fly
economy.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, yeah, but no spirit if I have to, you know,
okay, no that's not.

You went a little too far earlier this year, so I
had to go um.
Funny enough, I had this, a lotof this, and somehow it worked
out.
So I was working with um adam, Ithink in hollywood, okay, and
then I had a buddy who needed meto fly to, like detroit or
whatever yeah philadelphiaeither way so I told him like
hey, I can't obviously go fromorlando because I'm going to be

(49:49):
there, right, but I can fly sameday, so nothing in the schedule
is affected as long as you flyme from uh, florida, no, my like
near miami, hollywood, florida.
So it's like if I fly fromthere straight to philly, you
know, it'll all work out.
And guess what?
The only plane available wasspirit.
I was like fuck but then we diddo that, to be honest.

(50:09):
He, uh, he uh.
We got us the because we hadbags and stuff, so it was worth
the upgrade.
We got the big they call it bfgor whatever big freaking seat
or whatever.
Yeah, upgrade.
And then that was good.
I, I was up front of the plane.
The seat was big, it wascomfortable, none of the spirit
problems, yeah, so that one Iwill take.
It wasn't that bad, butnormally I'm like uh, spirit and

(50:30):
frontier Plus, they don't havemedia pass things.
You know, with the bags that wefly with.

They don't care for media.

Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
They don't give a shit.

And then we need uh, yeah, that's there'd be you
want to go with because theygive you the uh, you get two,
two free media bags.
Sometimes they give you alittle headache but like I had
one time when I was flying totennessee, the um, the airline
person was like yeah, we don'tdo media unless you work for fox

(50:59):
or abc.
I'm like I ain't never heard ofthat.

Like, I fly southwest all the time, I'm not
media, but no, I've never hadthat trouble yeah, they are easy
to work with.

That's why I like it, yeah because I just give
them pass.

Actually I take way more advantage to them
because I can also getpre-boarding with them, because
I'll usually go and I have a.
You know, obviously I'm a legitproduction company I have a
legit production.
You know my badge, so, and I'lleven give it to anyone who's
flying with me like their ownbadge yeah but I've, uh, um, I
will always like go to them andbe like hey, obviously I need
passes, but then can also getpre-board, because you know I

(51:31):
need extra time for mediapersons carrying media equipment
and sometimes you'll getpushback.
But usually when you're like no,I won't talk to manager,
they'll give it to you and thenthe advantage is a you sit up
front, so you're you know youcan make your connections faster
.
Plus the dreaded thing for afilmmaker I never want to put my
cameras, because I always carrycameras yeah, I never put it
under under the, under the planeand the way they throw this do

(51:54):
like overhand wwe into the plane.

It's like.

Sometimes I feel like they just do it on purpose.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
They're like yeah yeah they don't even look.

What are they throwing.

You know camera bag, yeah, so uh, and I had to
do that recently.
That that was a.
That was a very scary momentbecause we didn't know we were
going to transfer into tiny,freaking plane.
Uh, yeah and um, I was.
They were like oh, that's theonly place to play the thing can
go.
We don't even have overheadbands liars.
I went in it was a tiny plane,but they did have overhead bins

(52:26):
I could have easily put my bagthere but but that was scary.
I told the guys like, look,there's very expensive cameras
in here, Please put it to thetop.
And nothing broke.
But, yeah, that can be anightmare.
So at least with Southwest I'vehad good luck.

Yeah, they're usually good.
With that situation I had withthe lady who was saying I had to
work for Fox and ABC, I waslike you know what, I'm about to
be late.
I paid the $100.
And you asked for a refund andI called South West and said, oh
yeah we're sorry you had todeal with that.
You know here's a refund,Exactly.

So yeah, that's what I'm saying Take advantage,
but get a legit ass main.
You'd be surprised how I shouldhave brought mine.
It's a piece of paper.
I'm gonna be fine oh no, that'slegit see it's still a piece of
paper, but you at leastlaminated it, but you know,

(53:13):
there's a website who'll print areal badge for you?

yeah, like a plastic card, yeah, with an.

NFC and everything you can even be like hey, just
tap on it, it'll open my website, or whatever.

And I get everyone who's working for me
one of those A million dollars.
You can do that.
I don't know if they can seethat, but look at the picture of
Sean, come on Now, when I hadhair.
That's not you, oh my goodnessThey'd be like.
Well how long ago was this sir?
Yeah, that was probably likefive years ago before I got
engaged people.

(53:49):
Yeah, most people will justhave a paper and it's like, yeah
, if you're getting pushback,then it's on qr code, they scan
it, they see the website.

It's like okay, he's legit.
Yeah, plus, you know we're notto be honest, we're not trying
to take advantage of this.

This is we genuinely need to travel with
our equipment like I don't likebringing hundreds of pounds, how
much would you pay?

yeah, you had to pay for all that gear hundreds
of dollars, yeah, yeah, and I'mlike I, but I'm also saying I
don't enjoy bringing that withme so like we're genuinely going
out of work and, like you know,they understand it, we
understand it.
Like, so, nobody's here tryingto freaking, take it right.
Plus, if I was traveling, mybags wouldn't weigh that much
anyway right, you know, I don'tknow what you have to do to

(54:25):
carry.
I have literally reached limitsso many times.
I have pictures where you knowthe 100 pounds limit, like my
bag's, like literally 99.7.

Like 99.8.

It's like it's funny, like how close I get to
that and I'm like that's notclothes.

That's clearly, that's definitely C-stands.
Yeah, and lights and other crap, the boom pole or whatever when
you're traveling, are you like,if you have to travel, you're
bringing all this stuff with you.

still, it depends, you know.
So I've kind of mastered travel.
I do so much.
So initially, how I used to doit was bring cameras and audio,
because, again, most peopledon't have Shep's mics or
whatever.
I like to use, so I'd bring thatand then I'd rent lights and
stands.
Then now lights became so smallbecause they're LEDs, I could
bring lights and then all Ineeded was stands.

(55:13):
But now, because again lightsare so light, I love my latest
favorite travel lights are likeF-22Cs from Aputure or Amaran or
whatever, but they're like verylightweight and especially if
you take the case off you canbring a bunch of stuff.
And then I found theseewsfoldable stands and they're
they're like those cheap ones,but they're matthews, they're

(55:34):
strong.
Point is that's what I broughtthe last few gigs and um, I've
had, but nothing but successbecause you know they're
lightweight lights, they'restrong but small travel compact
so I'm having to, and then it itsaves me time from having to
rent stuff locally.
So that's at least what I'mtrying.
Obviously, that won't apply toevery gig.
Some gigs you have to rent liketwo ton or three ton grip truck

(55:55):
when you're on set.
But that's just part of thegame?

Yeah, exactly.

You know everything is different, but
normally again, what we're doingis talking heads, and I can
travel with enough equipment todo good talking heads.
I've done like 10, 20 talkingheads at this point.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I feel like I could do in my sleep.

I've like seen every corner, every office.
I don't think there's anydifferent variation of an office
left that I've ever seen,because you know again corporate
they shove us in the samefreaking office, same corner,
same make it look nice which islike uh, there's a blank wall
here all right, what can we do?

you have a plant.
Is there a plant in here?

right, you're hunting for random things, or,
and then sometimes you don'thave time.
That okay, so you've 10 minutesto this interview like uh, okay
you know like, give me at leastfive extra minutes I'm gonna
put up this uh f20 to see, whichdoesn't take that long.
So that's an advantage too, uh,but you know it's.
It's like crazy rush, um yeahthat you have to put in, but at

(56:53):
the end of the day, like I said,that's why I'm trying to become
more independent.
What I've learned I see theindustry going is you know, the
rates aren't going down, butyou're expected to do more right
like 10 years ago, they wouldhave been paid you, let's say,
two grand, and then they wouldhave paid a sound guy, you know,
800 bucks or whatever theywould have had a gaffer 600
bucks.

(57:13):
And they still do that on biggershoes, but a normal smaller
shoes.
They're like okay, we'll payyou the two grand, but now you
got to come with your own sound.
You gotta do your own gaffing,you gotta do everything and and
you're like uh yeah plus the2000 me doesn't mean as much as
it used to 10 years.
So they're not going down butthey're not really going up, and
accessibility of gear has madeit much harder for them to vet

(57:37):
people.

Yeah, especially because somebody out there will
do it for whatever price andit's not good.

See, the thing is, if it was good, I'm okay with
it.
Market determines price.
What happens is literally afull sale.
Again, they'll give you an FX6.

My friend has it.
I'm like, how did you get this?

They give you a laptop, a MacBook and an FX6.
The point is or anyone can buyit.
I mean, it's a lot of money,but it's not a lot of money in
the grand scheme of things, andyou'll get hired because, like I
said, the demand is so high.

(58:14):
Yeah, when people are like I'mjust looking for an fx6 operator
and you're like I have one, butthen when you saw a show on set
and you don't know what you'redoing, then it's like a disaster
and then you get fired orthey're like regretting their
decision.
It's just overall a badexperience.
But you have to understand likeyou're in that noise now.
So let's say they're trying tolook for not that I'm doing that
many dp gigs, but let's saythey're looking for a dp and
they want an fx6 and I'd behappy to obviously do that.
Right, then they go.
How do they know, unless theyknow me personally?

(58:35):
How do they know me versus afull-sale student, versus and
not saying all full-salestudents are bad, nothing
against full sale.
Yeah, but you know, what I meanlike how do they know the client
Right Like especially ifthey're not from the industry
like Right, what they're gettingis what they want, until you
show up on set and they go ohyeah, it's not what I wanted, I

(58:57):
didn't want that and that issuedidn't exist, I think in the
back of the day.
In the past, but now.

I think that's more, yeah, more yeah, because
nobody just had fx6 levelcameras at the lower, lower
level exactly, which is good,I'm all for.

Like I said, making it more accessible.
Yeah, but there is a negativeto it because I do multicam, so
I love cheaper cameras, as inand again, to some fx6 may not
be cheaper, but to me you knowyeah, coming from alexis and
reds it's cheaper.
But I can buy four, I can buyfive and I can do multic-cam
shoots on my own and right andmake that rental cost, because
that's how you have to make.
You know your difference, butuh, so so, like I said, I'm all

(59:36):
for making them cheaper, but atthe same time that's the issue
now yeah, yeah, you're, you'recompeting against that, but
you're not really competing.
It's a sad for the client,because all I want is nothing
but the best for the client,right, I want them to, and if
they could get something that'scheaper, absolutely go for it,
it's just you know, some soundstoo good to be true usually,

(59:56):
usually nine times out of ten,is too good to be true.

Sean Philippe (01:00:00):
yeah, yeah, I um my f I don't know my fx6, it
gets the client work done.
It gets the job done.
I do feel like there's nobarriers to entry, you know, but
like, what's your B?

Vipul Bindra (01:00:17):
camera A7S.
So how does it match?
Do they match?
Well, it matches pretty good.
It's locked in, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it matches.
Yeah, I'm about to say it's alittle warmer.
I feel like it's a little bitwarmer, so I just had to adjust
the warmness of the a7S III, butit looks almost the same.
Nobody can tell.

Okay, yeah, and what lenses are you choosing
normally?

See this is coming from the king of G Master
himself.
The G Master king.

My favorite are ARRI Sign signature primes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I can't afford them I can't afford them on every gig.

I don't own them.
I have to rent them, so I can'trent them on, you know.
Unfortunately, that's one thingI don't own, not yet.
I would love to own a set, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
How much those lens cost.

Like 40 grand a pop.

And then you got to buy the whole set Because you
know you need at least.
That's crazy.
That's the price of a car.

Yeah, but they're so good, I mean, and funny
enough.
And again, this is so opposite.
I have two parts of me.
Here's me doing a high-endcommercial.
I need an Alexa Mini LF two ofthose and I need an artist
signature set right.

Yeah.

And then the other , now the indie, the corporate
movie.

I'm like look G Master throw an hbm filter,
you're right 95 we're good.

So yeah, we're good so it's kind of like that,
you know you gotta do what yougotta do with the budget, the
client has.

I mean so like I have.
I got one g master lens, I gotthe 16 to 35 and then everything
else is sigma.
I think it's all sigma, yoursigma 70 to 200.
But I feel like the, the sigmasare catching up.

They're like just bought and then everything else
is Sigma.
I think it's all Sigma.

Yeah, Sigma is $7,200.
I feel like the Sigmas arecatching up.

I just bought my first Sigma you bought a Sigma
Was it $7,200?
$24,000 to $7,000.
I need a second one, and for aB, for a.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
C or no, not even B B camera.

B camera.
Yeah.
So what happened is?
I think the GM lenses are greatAgain.
Not a big fan of Sony, but forwhat they are, they're amazing.
Yeah it does the job.
Yes, and I like compared to.
Like I said, I still think,optically, canon lenses were
better.
The new, you know, rf series.
However, the Sonys are lighter,so they're better.
You know, as in like you knowless, you know fatigue on you on

(01:02:24):
long shoot days, but anyway.
So I own pretty much the wholelineup of the gm, whatever the
latest versions is.
But I needed a second uh 24 to70, and then you know that 2600
bucks even me I'm like.
Do I especially?
I'm never gonna operate that,I'm gonna give it to someone and
I'm like to operate most times.
So I went with the sigma.

So my first is that one like 1200 or?

something?
Yes, it was, and it was on saletoo.

Come on.

Less than even half what?

do you think about it?
I haven't gotten it yet, but Iwould love to Not bad.

I'll tell you when .
But again, I don't know if I'llever operate it.
Because the truth is it'spretty good for what we need
again.

Most likely we'll be throwing an FX3 gimbal.

Like get it just done.

You know, yeah, exactly.

And I think Sigma's good enough for that.

But it just feels blasphemy.
It's going to be like all GMand then one Sigma.
Sigma's like ugh.

Hey again.
No, no, man, I don't want tosound like snobbish, you know.

I mean, it's okay , go ahead, talk your stuff.

No no, so you got sick months.
My feelings hurt.
I'm sad, I'm gonna throw all mylessons in the trash like well,
I got.

So, like the new 70 to 200, I want you know the
YouTube videos.
You can only take it at facevalue, but, like um, a lot of
the videos are like this ispretty much as good as the g
master 70 to 200.
I mean, probably they were likeit's like it's more the
integration.

See what?
What I like?
Why, again, I chose when I?
When I did that was becausethey're native lenses, right,
and they had that focus,breathing, conversation.
What I found very quickly wasthat's not common in my past
experience again with the rflenses, but um in the sony world
, the focus breathing, the focusbreathing is just it's crazy
too much yeah and but, but again, the camera compensates for it,

(01:04:17):
as long as you have a gm lens.
They're smart about it.
I think they're purposefully atit, just so, just so.
Here comes so many fanboys inme, but I don't know.
Now you're right, I think I'mpretty sure that engineers could
make make a better lens buteither way I don't care because
it compensates at the end of theday.
We just want don't want focusedbreathing right.
And that's literally the, Ithink, the only advantage of

(01:04:38):
sony lenses that you can getthose automatic corrections in
camera um for any kind ofdistortion, and whatever the the
corrections that they build, inthat the a third-party company
like Sigma can do, but I don'tthink optically.
They're that much better.

Yeah, it's not that they can't be, I mean funny
enough.

So typically, again, I'm not for watching
YouTubers because you knowthey're not actually out in the
field and working.
But I think Gerald Undone didthis really awesome video
comparing an Arri SignaturePrime 35mm with the Sony One 4
4gm 35.
Yeah, and it's crazy comparison, but when you look at them side
by side, you go that's sofreaking close, yeah, I mean.

(01:05:16):
But again, I would personally,as somebody who uses both lenses
and loves them both, you know,yeah, yeah there's difference,
but then, but is it?

is it that?

much?
Is it 30, 30 grand, no, 35grand, whatever the difference
is Worth that much?
Probably not, probably not.
But the truth is, when you're,I think the only thing that
matters is if you're doing aproject where the client's
budget is 50 grand for the shootday, you're doing them
disservice by using the cheaperlens.
Because the truth is and I'msure you'll never get rehired,

(01:05:47):
yeah, by using the cheaper lensbecause the truth is and I'm
sure you'll never get rehiredbecause the rental difference in
the both because I cannotcharge them full price that oh,
I own the 35 millimeter switchthere's a rental cost.

It's not that huge of a difference on that big
budget.
I'm saying there is thisdifference but it's not that
huge.
Yeah, on a 50,000 budget.
Yeah.

Exactly, and then I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to use the best.
I'm going to get them what I'mused to and that's pretty much
nowadays the industry standard.
They're going to be happy, I'mgoing to be happy.

Right.

Life goes on, why?
Just you know yeah why, not,and I find those are the people
that don't get rehired, becausethen you start to cheap out.
The gear is very expensive on asmall set, but as the sets go,
bigger gear is literally like avery small portion of your
expense.

Yeah, it's the people, right?

yeah, exactly so I'm like I'm one of the.
If I'm spending so much ongetting the good people there, I
want them to have the rightstuff, otherwise what's the
point?
What's?
The purpose exactly so, uh, butyes, on on a small when I'm
doing talking heads.

Yes, yeah, it's not that much.
Yeah, especially, like you saidearlier, like the client's not
going to be, like is that Sigma?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Yeah, they just see a lens?

No, they wouldn't even know.
You put a matte box on it, man,it's as good as it gets.

Yeah, I can write Sony on the side, oh, the
quality of footage, or anythinglike that.
So I'm just like like, yeah,you guys out there, just you use
what you have, you know, usewhat you have.

Here's what I'm gonna say get the lighting best
purchase buy a matte box get thesound silly, but you want a
matte box, but to be real, it'sfunctional as somebody, so my
favorite choice is again.
I've already said, I'mrevealing it you want to make
fx6 look good yeah put a thelowest one, which is like an
eighth, I think power hollywoodblack magic filter.
There you go, very expensivebut worth it.

(01:07:31):
But you buy and always buy them.
Don't buy filters in four byfour, circular, weird portion
you buy the once and you cryonce right by the five, by, you
know, 4.56.
Whatever the, the bigger formand the regular format is
because they'll always last.
Right, you're a hollywood dp,you're a local but you use the
same filter, right so so there,it's about four, five hundred,

(01:07:52):
but I think that's worth it,because you throw that filter,
obviously the lowest setting.
You're not doing music videoshere, right you?
Don't want it to be too strong,but that just creates this
beautiful image.

Man, I haven't played with that one yet.
Oh, I got like four.

That's like my secret sauce man you want to
this is basically this is what Ido, so it's normal talking head
just straight up gm lensesright and obviously, like I told
you my formula, at the high end, but somewhere in the middle
where there's like oh, my budgetis 10 grand, 15 grand, we don't
have enough budget because Iwould rather have more people
and more talented people in myset right then some equipment

(01:08:27):
that we don't need.
For sure they're not expecting.
You know, alexa's there.
I would rather spend my budgeton, like I said, people, so what
I end up doing is that I willthrow hbms on it.
Man, the footage comes out socreamy, yeah, and it looks so
beautiful, and so the matte boxis functional.
What I'm saying?

because that's where it goes.
The filter goes right in thematte box, so it is functional.

But regardless, in the corporate world that we are
in, if your camera doesn't havea mad box versus your camera is
a mad box, you're gonna makemore money.

That's the truth because client doesn't know what
it does.
I hate it.
Yeah, it's so nasty, I meanit's functional like I think
people should focus more onfiltration.

I think that has gone away a lot it has um and
again and again.
I'm not that old school, but Ifeel like a few years ago it
mattered Like DPs would have afilter collection.
They wouldn't be like oh, I gotto use Radiant Soft or whatever
, because this person'sAfrican-American or whatever, or
this person's Asian, whatever.
This filter will make them lookslightly better.
Whatever People had thatNowadays it's not really the

(01:09:26):
case.

I think everything's clinical, which?

was my issue with Sigma.
It's like it's so good thatit's too good.
Do we want some character, somelook to it Anyway, and I think
that HBM does that.
It's not takes the slight edgeoff it's not like um, like the
other one people use um what isthe it's called black pro mister
I think that's too much, evenat the lowest setting.
Yeah because you want it totake the edge off, make the

(01:09:51):
footage creamy.
You don't want it to like,start getting like what music?
video.
Is that right?
Yeah, so yeah and plus, I thinkagain, the fx6 highlight
response is terrible anyway, soI don't want you know more
halation and highlights, right?
Um, so anyway, but that's mysecret sauce and I would highly
recommend anyone who to buy thatfilter once you get to that
middle stage.

(01:10:12):
Yeah, I don't think you shouldbe putting that on the low
clients because again they'regonna, not they're expecting
sharp footage yeah yeah, youdon't want to give them creamy
footage they're not expectingthat right, uh, but yeah, the
mid-level clients who areexpecting better footage that's
what

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
that is that yeah?

that image and once you buy it, like I said,
it's not like they're going toinvent yeah you know the filter
changes.

It's like a better investment, in my opinion
, than cameras when, when you'reusing a filter like that, are
you because, let's say, you havelike three cameras are you
putting out all your cameras?
Or is it like, oh yeah, if youwanted to match, this is what
I'm saying.

I don't have to get four of them because, uh,
and then I love the miragemadbox.
Those are tiny, so for gimbalcams yeah they're really tiny
and uh so I'll throw that, okay,yeah, and it'll work with my nd
filter that goes in it, so sowe can do two, four six stop
because I don't like thevariable and yeah, they're never
good, so we can do hard stoplike IRNDs, and so we get best

(01:11:05):
quality image, even from thegimbal camera, and it doesn't
add too much weight, because Idon't want the operator to get
tired.
Yeah, for sure, for sure Lookwhen I'm paying you for four
hours, I expect you to work forfour hours, but it's on me to
make sure the person doesn't gettired.

Make it easy.

Yeah, exactly, but obviously it's not going to
have the impact for the client,but who cares?
I mean, at that point you needto be functional.
So I like the Mirage matteboxes for the gimbal camera for
the FX3.

Yeah.
And then I'll put whateverbigger I have a bunch of them on
the FX6 and then throw.

HBM on it and then remove it.
That's the only thing I'mreally changing Most of them.
I stay on my format.
My focal lengths of choice are50, which is what this is, yeah,
my a cam, and then 85 would bemy b cam.
Uh, it used to be on c70s, usedto be 35 and 85, yeah, but I
find with the, the full frame,or rather the larger format, uh,

(01:11:59):
35 was just too wide.

It was too wide, so 50 and 85, I think, is good,
and I love the 85, man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
The 85?
.

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
The 85 is.

So that's like my favorite, I think, focal length.
Yeah, I don't think I wouldever change it, man.
And, like I said, you throw athird camera if you have an
operator, you do.
Handheld man, you got the besttalking head.

You're good.
That's all you need.

That's all you need.

So like, if you don't mind me asking with your
clients who you're doing theselike talking head videos for,
are you like selling them onthis idea?
Or are they coming to you likehey, benja, we need a talking
head video, oh no no, they don'teven know what talking head
means.
No, really.

So it depends.
So I market to agencies likeyou want to market to, they know
it.
They usually will say I needtwo operators or whatever.
Sometimes they'll say we needSony or they'll say they don't
care.
Very rarely I've ever heardCanon like once, maybe in five
years.
Where they're like we want 300or whatever.
Very rare is what I'm saying.
So either they don't care orthey want Sony, and then we just

(01:13:00):
follow with what the plan is.
But a lot of times when I'mworking directly with clients,
they have no idea, right?
They just say we want to make avideo about this, and then you
find out they don't even meanthat, because they don't
understand our lingo.
So you have to kind of ask thequestions Okay, awesome, where
are you going to share it?
Who's the audience you canshare with?
Do you have a video that you'veseen similar that you like?

(01:13:21):
Right, because then whathappens is you find out what
they actually want and then youcan obviously make it for them.
But then I'm making thedecision now, obviously I am not
the what's the low-end car?

I'm trying to make an analogy here.
I don't know, it's subishimirage.
Is that a cheap car?
Okay, so I'm not at the mysteryfive thousand dollars.
Okay, so I'm there's a $5,000car still Anyway, so.

so if I give them FX6, I just take the car.

Yeah, basically so no but in that case?

but anyway, I'm not trying to be the cheap
option, but I'm not trying to bethe expensive option either.
Right, I want to give my clientsvalue.
That's what I'm there for.
So I'm trying to give them myfor um, so I'm trying to give
them.
My goal is to maximize theirbudget.
I figure out what they need,what quality level they are at
right like small, medium, high,whatever and then I just go from
that right, right and but Idon't discuss that with the

(01:14:13):
client.
That that is not the discussionyou want to have.
We want to talk about impactroi the audience you know what?
the what the goal is, what thelook needs to be.
Those are the questions.
The gear is on me, but at thispoint it's so dialed in my gear
that I kind of know.
But to be real, we're alwaysstill at the same time evolving.
You don't want to get stagnant.

(01:14:34):
The worst thing you can do invideo production is go.
Oh, I got to figure out.
That's how you become adinosaur right.
Because things are changing.
Like just this past year weadded reflective lighting.
Because I kept sewing on all myhigher-end gigs, all these
gaffers I would buy would haveCRLS panels.
And then at first I was like Idon't see the but then they
would put it and I was like, oh,a light there would be nice.

(01:14:54):
And they're like, oh, I couldjust throw a panel and it'd be
perfect, and so much easier tothrow a tiny little panel than a
huge light a tiny little panel,then you know, yeah, like, so I
started to see advantage.
I was like I need this, I needthis on my set, right.
So I bought a, bought a kit.
The point is I'm saying we haveto evolve like that, as in new,
things are always coming,things are changing.
The new 1200x, from aperture,looks freaking incredible right

(01:15:17):
so things like that I'm sayingat the 1200d came out a couple
years ago.
I bought.
I have literally every aperturelight, yeah, multiples of every
aperture and I didn't buy itbecause it didn't.
I didn't see the use of it.
I was like I'd rather use anm18 than if I need that much out
that much output it didn't fitat least.
And then the reflector disheswould, uh were terrible without
the 1200x.

I'm like this is it.
This is what I need so kind oflike that.

You know, the industry moves so fast sometimes
it's even harder to keep upwith it, and I am obsessed with
it.
So you know, I try to keep upwith it, yeah.
But the point is, yeah, youhave to be ever evolving.
But at this point I have, formost, talking heads and, like I
said, I have formulas right nowthat may change.

Even new cameras come out or something comes out.
It seems like the industry,like it is constantly.
It wants you to be faster andit wants you to do more things
you know, I'm saying kind oflike we're saying earlier with
like the audio, like your cameraoperator has to at least know
how to connect the boom mic tohis camera and manage the audio
levels exactly because sometimesthat might be what you have to
do.

(01:16:17):
We can't.
We can't get an audio guy, butyou know but the truth is.

Here's the thing, man yes, that's what's a
requirement and that's what yougot to do, or you're not going
to work.
But the end of it is, you arefar more effective when you can
focus, right, right.
So Sean the guy totally focusedon camera.
Yeah, is better than Seanfocused on camera and sound

(01:16:43):
Right, 100%, and that's justit's anyone who says no, I'm
best they're lying, yeah they'relying and it's not like, can
Sean do great audio?
Absolutely yeah, but you aredividing your focus right.

You have to make sure the image looks good, right
, but you have to make sure theaudio is good, make sure
everything's in focus.

So what happens?
I feel like Internet is full ofit.
The accessibility has gone upbut the quality has gone down.
And that's what I tell myclients my video.
People shouldn't even knowwe're making a video.
I don't want to do Flashytransitions and flashy
animations Because I want ourvideos to last, unless they're

(01:17:21):
social media content.
But the point is, I want tomake content that's not going to
look jaded because we used atransition that was cool.
Now yeah, but in three months,because you know it's moving so
fast, um and and so you want tomake evergreen content.
But that's what I'm saying.
Like so much trash content isout there if you just make good
content yeah that tells peoplethe right thing, like, for

(01:17:42):
example you know you're.
You're a freaking chiropractorthat explains hey here's the
services that we offer.
Here's why you use servicesright.
Here's what this service isbest for.
This content is going to beevergreen right right and it's
going to consistently,consistently make money, because
if somebody asks this question,they're like, hey, this is the
answer.
Plus, here's a video, right,right, and now you're constantly

(01:18:02):
selling, because they'll go sayshare it with their friend, or
yeah, or they may have thatresource.
You become, you know, uh, likea micro influencer in a way, but
I think that's why video iseffective.
That cannot be when you'remaking videos that are for today
, like they're.
They've all these fancyanimations and stuff, or or
effects only last.

(01:18:23):
That, yeah that lasts today,like, yeah, nobody's watching,
they've scrolled it, they'redone, they're like I'm not
watching that again.
Yeah, that makes sense yeah,which is fine, but then you
cannot charge clients a premium,you cannot make a premium
product, that's when you pullout your phone, you freaking
swipe, swipe and then you giveit to them, and that's not what
I want to make.
I mean hats off to other people.
I still think phone and tiktokcontent is important.

(01:18:43):
Yeah, and there'll be creatorsout there.
My clients need it.
I'll bring one of these youngpeople.
I'll happily, you know, bringthem in uh, tell them what we
want, get that made.
But I am not making that right.
Yeah, I want to make contentthat makes them money, right,
and a and a tiktok video wouldhave to be hundreds of tiktok
videos to make the same kind ofroi.
That I usually make for myclient with one video, because

(01:19:06):
you just have to figure out whatthe problem is right, and, and
once you do, you're like how canvideo solve it?
And sometimes it can't, thenyou have to be upfront about it
too.
You don't, and, and that's whatI'm saying.
Uh, that comes from not havingthat starving mindset, because
if you like if I can't get thisgig, I'll I lose.
You know my.
I don't know my mortgage orwhatever I've been there yeah.

(01:19:26):
And you don't want to.

I mean it's okay, it's a human thing.

But if you're when you're there, fine.
You give client bad advice,that's how you don't get repeat
clients.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Yeah.

Because the truth is then you'll go oh no, no,
let's make this.
I'm going to be honest yeah, Idon't care how much I want that
money or how much I want to makethat video.
If the video is not the rightsolution, I'll tell you like hey
, this video isn't going tosolve the problem.

I think they appreciate that.
Yeah, exactly.

And then it'll come back.
It's not like they don't needvideo.
Every business needs video.
Right, and it may not be today,but I'd rather them be like hey
, honest and you know, he justmade me a video that didn't
solve my problem yeah, yeahbecause a lot of times they're
not even describing it right.
I've had so many times they'relike, oh, we're doing this event
, we want a recap video.
Yeah, and I'm like, okay, cool,we can make a recap video.
What's the purpose of it?

(01:20:13):
Oh, we're going to use it toget new clients or we're going
to use it to recruit new uh, newdoctors in our hospital,
whatever.
I'm like that's not gonna getget it done.
I mean, we can make you a recapvideo which is good to share,
but there's no roi in that right.
The roi is gonna be making adedicated recruitment video,
because we cannot focus right onthat.

(01:20:33):
Showing this event isn't gonnamake somebody want to come work
for you, for sure so but?
but they don't know that right.
I like that philosophy but Idon't think that's just easy,
you know, because then you don'thave to lie yeah yeah, now I
know I can sometimes come acrossthis over because I'm so
passionate about it.
I'm like yeah, because onceI've signed the solution right.
You're talking like this, is itwe?
Said this is it, but they maynot get it yet because they're

(01:20:54):
not there yet.
So then you have to slow down,you have to be like okay, this
is what the problem is, right,this is how this is going to
solve it and that's that's okay,that's part of our job.
I wish I didn't have to do it,because I'm just a filmmaker,
but that is what I have to doexactly, and um, but but I love
it though.
Man, the the best thing is,then they come back and they'll
message you like dude, you're soright, you know we love it, or

(01:21:19):
that's the best thing.
or that they start tearing up,or whatever man, that at the end
they make money.
Their life is changing.
They're getting happier and I'mgetting happier.
My family can eat.
Have a good time, that's allthat matters, I think.
Doing business from.
I know it sounds crazy that Ihave to say this, but being nice

(01:21:40):
is easier than being sleazy, inmy opinion.
100%.
Now can you make money beingsleazy?
Absolutely.

Oh yeah, people do.

But why do it when you can make it speak nice, you
know?

Yeah, I think a lot of times with my clients
like I'd prefer to make a goodproduct, something that makes
them happy, but like make lessmoney than to make a lot of
money and feel sleazy.

Yeah, you know, and feel sleazy.
I'm just like I'd just rathernot take the job.
Yeah, but you have to becareful too, because sometimes
I'll advertise like oh, we madeour clients $500 million or
whatever, but I don't want themto think that I'm selling.

I'm not a marketing agency.

I'm not trying to sell you.

KPIs or whatever?
What are you going to do withthe video when you get it?

I don't know.
I mean, I'll happily tell youthis part of like hey, what to
do with it, where to post it,but what I'm saying is I'm not
guaranteeing anything.
I'm not guaranteeing no.

ROI.

I'm just telling you what my past clients have
experienced.

It's what I've done, you know.

I'm sure some marketing agency will be happy
to you know, put it in writinglike, hey, this video will give
you this KPI, but then they'regoing to charge you, I don't
know, let's say 20 grand, andthen they'll pay somebody 500 to
make that video the video willnever be as good, because half
of that is just insurance thatin case this doesn't work, they
can return your money.
Yeah, I'm saying that's if youinsisted on it, right?

(01:22:53):
So I tell them like hey,nothing, here's what I guarantee
somebody.
Can you know?
I'm gonna make most beautifulvideo and best video for that
price point.
Nobody in the country can beatme.
I'm going to bring out moreequipment, better people at that
price point right you know youcan't compare my 5 000 video to
somebody's 30 000.
That's all I can guarantee andI'm going to put my heart and

(01:23:15):
soul into it.
I don't care if you're my lowestpaid client as long, as you
know, you match the budget ofthe video.
We're going to do our best.
We we're good and, in myopinion, this is the results
that show that it works.
That's what we've done forthese past clients, right, and
they self-report it and a lot ofthem don't take it.
So the way I get this reportingis, a year after I work with

(01:23:36):
someone, I'll usually send thema survey, right that says, hey,
this is only with direct clients, we don't even do this with
marketing clients.
Yeah, so it's a lot biggernumber.
And I'll say, hey, what?
And the survey is just two,three questions, nothing
complicated.
It's like, hey, did you makemoney from it?
Yes, no, were you happy?
Yeah, and what would you saythe return was?
You know rough number.
We don't need the exact number.
These are self make.

(01:24:06):
Half a billion dollars from thevideos that I've made in the
last six, seven years that'sabsurd to think about, but
that's the kind of power videohas.
Yeah, and and I'm saying thisare not total numbers, because a
lot of times you can't, youknow, uh, capture that right,
because you can't capture, Idon't know.
Q a what the roi is sometimesdirectly.
I'm saying they may not putthat number in, so at the end
their videos work right.

(01:24:26):
I genuinely believe in that.
And then they scientificallywork.
There's been hundreds ofstudies done in it.
So I don't like selling video.
This one thing I'm like videoworks if you don't know video
then you need to spend some timeon the internet.
The question is making the rightvideo?
Yeah, right, that's what I cancome help and other people that
I know can help.
But you know, should you needvideo, then we're way lower at

(01:24:50):
the base level where you, as abusiness owner, need to educate
yourself.
Because if you don't evenbelieve in video, then I don't
want to be the the guy thatcomes in and takes their money
because, guess what, they'regoing to be disappointed because
they don't understand how it'sgoing to work.
I've had that happen a few timesin the past where somebody's
got a video and I'll even tellthem.
I'm like, okay, put this onthis website this corner and

(01:25:13):
this is what you do with it.
Then they don't do it.
So I'll check with them, Likeyou said.
Okay, but did you also share,like I said, with a new client
at this stage, like in a textmessage, like something
nonchalant, and they're like, ohno, no, we haven't integrated
into our workflow.

Well, then it isn't going to work, you have to
.

Obviously they have to do some homework, and
that's where marketing agenciescould be very helpful.
But problem is marketingagencies in my opinion are great
.
Obviously, we make a lot ofmoney from it, but they're
sleazy.
Dude.

Yeah, I don't get it man, I don't get it Because
instead you know what they'll do.

I've had this happen.
I am saying go to yourmarketing agency.

Yeah.

Right, let us partner with them.
And the marketer will be like,oh, how much are you paying for
that video?
You mean that?
25 grand and then what happensis it's not like they're gonna
make the same video they'regonna just keep most of that.
Yeah, hire some cheapvideographer or have their
in-house guy who doesn't knowanything, those 500 is even
remotely close.

(01:26:14):
Dude, they're making trash.
Yeah, I've edited videos formarketing agents.
I'm telling you I could closemy eyes and that's saying
something.
Yeah, and shoot better contentthan they did professionally
it's that bad where I'm justlike how can you be that bad?
I mean, you have to make aneffort yeah, yeah, to want to be
bad, yeah exactly to do thatbad.
How little are you doing your?

like employees.
Last year I worked with a fewmarketing agencies and I'll go
on like their website, look attheir stuff.
I'm like this is bad, yeah, youknow, but they're not video
people.
But I'm like, how do theclients like?
But then I hear the prices.
I'm like, oh, y'all makingcrazy money for these videos,
like you said, 20 grand, 30grand, 40 grand.
I'm like how are you guysgetting away with this stuff,
exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
And now, obviously, when we're doing it still needs
to have some level of especiallymatch their brand right Like
the level that their brand is at.

If they look like it's a trash, then people are
going to perceive the brand astrash.
So, you're actually hurting theclient's brand by having those
trashy videos out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Yeah.

You know, unless you're making it look like UCG.
But even then, know, I don'tknow, that shouldn't go on
website, then I don't, I don'tknow.
Man, I think marketing agenciescould be such assets with us
and the clients but, theyusually end up being a hindrance
because all they want to do istake the chunk out of the video
without understanding how videoworks right.

(01:27:39):
I've had feedback given bymarketing agencies.
It's so funny.
I could go on a whole rant aboutthat, but you know but you know
how, uh, it's like uh, you're,you're doing better filmmaking,
so you'll add a foregroundelement and a background element
, and I've had feedback wherethey're like uh, there's
something in the foreground.
Next time, make sure there'snothing, you know, no plant or
whatever in the front.
I'm like that is videoproduction.

(01:28:01):
We did that on purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

But they have no knowledge of it.

Yeah, yeah, I always wonder.
The only time I've worked withmarketing agencies where I'm
like, oh, you're doing a goodjob is where they are in a part
of the company you know.
So like well, they're not anagency but like a marketing
department.
Usually they're better off thanmarketing agencies.
I've noticed.
For, like, the big companies Iwork for, like okay, I'm working

(01:28:28):
with your marketing department.
Yeah, they're going to bepretty good because you know
they're savvy with the brand,they understand the level of the
brand.

Yeah, it's this third party marketing agencies
that just want to take a cut oneverything, yeah, which there's
nothing wrong with taking that,of course, yeah, sure.
But the issue comes is whenthey want to just, um, you know,
take so much cut that there'snothing left, and then they can
just hire somebody really,really low end, who's very green

(01:28:53):
, who can't just deliver.

I guess it makes sense because they're the first
people to touch the money.
So it's like okay, we're firsttouch money, we're going to take
this much.

Yeah.

And you can have $100.

Oh, we're being generous, yeah, man maybe 50.
I don't know you bringing anFX6?

Also you got to buy your own lunch.
Yeah, yeah, we're not buyingyou food, nothing like that.
And you're going to bring fivecameras right.

Yeah, five cameras lighting.
Everything's covered.

Audio guy, two camera operators.
Okay, yeah we're good, we'regood.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Yeah, it's tough man.

That's not an industry I would want to.
When I first started mybusiness, I was kind of trying
to do both, like it makes sense,they go together so well.
Like, okay, I'm doing video,but I also should know social
media and marketing and all thisstuff.

So I was trying to do both, but that that's like.
As you're seeing, once you grow, you can bring in people who
are not who are not like yeahlike I'm terrible at social
media, right, which is why Ineed to, this year, bring
somebody who can do my socialmedia because that's why we
don't post anything.
You're on my instagram.
It's like oh, what is viplam upto?
Nothing, yeah, even though I'mworking literally every day so I
don't have time to go onInstagram because.
I don't care.
Most of my clients are notfinding me on Instagram you know

(01:30:06):
, their, their referrals, so,but at the same time, that
doesn't mean we shouldn't poston social media, it's just.
I'm not good at it or I'm verybusy to do it, then the solution
is you bring in somebody who isgood at it or who can do that
Right.
So I think, like you you saidyou pick your lane right, you
pick video.

(01:30:27):
This is what you're gonna doand as a founder, as the is the
first person in the business,and then eventually, once you
get enough revenue, you start tobring in people, I think, who
can help complement you thingsthat you're not good at right,
like we were earlier talkingabout, like cpa, you're not
gonna sit here and learnaccounting and taxes and all
that.
Like you have, you need to havepeople, but that's what that is
right, right you?
You start to use these funds,um, and and that, like you have,
you need to have people, butthat's what that is right, right
you, you start to use thisfunds and and that makes you

(01:30:47):
grow even more because nowyou're not things that you were
not good at right that otherpeople will fulfill that and
make you better.

Right yeah.

I think it's important to to surround
yourself with people who havedifferent skill sets than you,
than the same thing.

I don't need, yeah, different skill sets than
you, than the same thing.

I don't need you can't be a master of everything.
Exactly, yeah, and and that'sjust just how it is.
And you want to get it doneright too, if you?

go.
If you're gonna be putting yourhands in some like like cpa,
especially like if you have.
If you don't, if you're doingyour own taxes and you mess it
up, the irs will kill you.
They will literally, they willliterally assassinate everyone
you know.
So it's like you might as wellget the cpa, so they can, sir?

if irs is listening to this, you're in
trouble they're coming they'relike are you calling us?

yeah, look, man, I don't trust that for me.
I'm trying my best not to paythe irs any money, as little as
possible, because I like thismorning I was looking at the um,
do you, do you payroll yourself?
No, not yet, not yet.
So, like, when you're an escort, you have to payroll yourself.
No, not yet, not yet.
So, like when you're an escort,you have to payroll yourself
right.
So I put myself on payroll thisweek and I'm like looking and
I'm like okay, it automaticallytakes out tax when I send the

(01:31:52):
money from me and then also whenI get the money as tax, and
then at the end of the year Igot to pay another.

I'm like what is going on, See, which is all my
money in business investments,yeah, so, so we don't have to
worry about it anyway anyway,we're not gonna go there, uh but
you know what I mean.

Like yeah, for sure that's what I'm saying.

Talk to an accountant, talk to cpa, they'll
figure out your strategies.
Yeah, and find the the bestthing for you, and that's just
again.
With anything, I'm just sayingdo what you're best at yeah, be
the best at it, and then letother people help you with
things you're not good at oryou're still learning, or
whatever, and it's justcollaborating man, it's just
talking to people who are doingwhatever you need.

(01:32:33):
That's just the way to succeedand I'm telling you, that's just
the everyone I talk to who'snot successful.
That's the thread.

They're like they're trying to do either
everything themselves, orthey're just too like.

I don't want to spend this money.
It's like, no, you have toinvest it, exactly so invest in
yourself, in your own company,and it's a tax write-off.
Yeah, plus you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
That's how you get time to do what you're good at
yeah yeah, if you're good atmaking videos, you should be
making videos yeah yeah, notsitting at home doing whatever
else you got to do, or writingemails or whatever.

Right now, my thing I'm trying to invest in is
an editor and I went throughprobably 30 editors interviews
and talked to them.
I'm like, bro, every editor'sbad.

Don't get me started.

That's my mind.
It's crazy right.

I don't know what's about it, but they just
can't seem to get it.
I don't get it, yeah.

And I'm like I don't want to edit.
You know cause, like I don'twant to do too much, I'm trying
to.
I got to come home, edit, tryto find clients and film.
It's too much, but it's likethey all suck.

But once they, once myself, because I'm telling
you that the problem is vision,like julie, who's my lead
editor.
Man, you got up, you gottaunderstand.
I I don't have time to comehere and babysit I'm gonna tell
you hey, I need a sick ass recapvideo.
Here's the footage yeah andright.

(01:33:55):
a good editor somehow just makesit.
That's it like you see it.
I love it when, for example,like I have julie editing it and
it's like first time I come,I'm okay, it's almost there,
maybe a few little tweaks, butthere I don't have to do any
direction, nothing, it justmatches what I want to create.
But then you hire a bunch ofother editors who are like they

(01:34:16):
make something completelydifferent.
It's like this is not evenrecapping the event.
You're showing the ending, thebeginning, and I'm just like
that's obviously one way, butlike they screw up.
And then the worst ones arewhere you tell them that's okay,
you know, you have to alignyour vision, so you have to do a
few projects before they getyou for sure.
But when you tell them exactly,you're like, hey, this scene
needs to come before this sceneneeds to come before and then

(01:34:38):
they go nah, your vision isn'tgood.

I'm going to do this.

No, I'm paying you .

It's my video.
Do what I say, it's not yourvideo.

Sure, you may be a great editor.
Then do your own videos how youwant to.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Here I'm paying you to edit the way I want to Like
this yeah exactly, and if youdidn't get it, that's fine, you
can work on it.

But then if you're refusing to to fix what I want
fixed, and how I want it fixed,then please no, thank you.

Yeah, and I definitely realize with some of
these editors I work with youkind of got to film how you want
them to edit.
You know what I'm saying,because sometimes with me I'll
have the footage isn't the best,but you can get creative and
make it happen With an editorthat you don't trust.

Like that you gotta like I organize it
perfectly for them and so I'msaying that's extra work, it's
more work, which is why yougotta find I basically might as
well.
Edit it exactly, ah, julie hey,don't don't be poaching my
editors.
Hey, bender production willtake your edit job.
Okay, I'll take that.
Yeah, you can go through me.
I gotta take my cut.

(01:35:40):
You know everybody needs a cutexactly that's how it works.

I did find one good editor, but she, she's like
she charges so much and I waslike yeah, that's what I'm
saying?
Good ones and they know they'regood.
They know they're good.
She was saying like, yes, atleast $1,500 for any project.
I'm like, ah, the budgets don'tbe that much, exactly.

I.

Yeah, like I'm like for one of the Trackman
videos.
See, that's what you got to do.
Then you got to increase theexposure.

Man, I don't edit no more, and that was the best
thing that freed up my time.
I actually love editing.
One thing is I don't know itputs me in that zen mode.
It's the only thing that calmsme is somebody you know who's
again like I'm just going.
However as soon as I stoppedediting is when I started to
make money.
That's the best thing I did six, seven years ago and I'm never

(01:36:27):
doing that again.
Yeah, Because, as I said, thetime suck.
That editing is yeah If youwant to make money, unless you
just want to be an editor.

That's one thing For sure, be an editor, make
money Go ahead.

But if you want to make money, you cannot edit,
because that is the biggest timesuck and especially if you're a
perfectionist, you could spendhours just perfecting something.
It's just not worth it.
Let the people who actuallywant to be editors edit.
I'm telling you, and find thegood editors and then keep them,
pay them what they want to getpaid, charge your clients,

(01:36:58):
because these clients will loveit too.
Because once they see an awesomeedit man, they'll pay it.
I'm telling you when the too,because once they see an awesome
edit man, they'll pay it.
I'm telling you, when theclients tell me it's the best
video I've ever seen of me or mycompany or my brand or whatever
, that's what you want to hear,and they'll keep coming back
right.
So, um, the first time may be alittle harder, but once they
get hooked on that good edit man, they'll pay for that yeah, and

(01:37:19):
I'm telling you, those are thehardest ones to find camera
lighting lighting.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
You know all that.

Yeah, we get it, there's so many people because
they want to do it.

Yeah, but editors are good.
There's not that many editors,dude.
When I tell you I went throughso many bad, I'm like you guys
are, and they're working editors.

They're full-time editors.
I'm like, bro, you guys suckyeah.
Because see it's which is veryeasy to learn.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
It's a software.

You take a script right.
That's easier.
In my opinion, those morepeople can do when it's like.
It literally defines likehere's the shot, here's the
title, here's the cut, here'sthis.
I think more editors areinclined to do that what we need
in the corporate world is.
here's five interviews, here'sthe story we want to tell and
having to figure that out fromthat, not everyone can do that

(01:38:05):
because, now, it requires notjust the skill of editing, it
requires actual storytelling,right, right, because if you're
now, now, yes, we could put in,like you said, the work.
I could transcribe it, I couldcut it, I could tell them here,
piece this, this, but then theamount of work I put in I don't
have time for that exactly, andthen there's the technician part
left, which is not that hard.

(01:38:25):
Yeah, so personally, but at thesame time, I want to tell the
story.
I want to tell.
I don't want to be telling someothers, Because you know you
could tell a different storyfrom the same footage.
So that's why you need to findan editor that will tell the
story.
That you want to tell withoutyou having to freaking
transcribe everything you know,cut everything.
Or like, do spoon, feed them andand that's taking you hours and
hours that you could be outthere can't be out here doing

(01:38:47):
what I gotta do exactly, man,and that's why.

This is why, like , I've been saying no to a lot
more um, like cheaper jobs, um,just because I'm like, at the
end of the day, I'm not gonna beable to hire an editor, I have
the cheaper jobs.
You have to edit it.
It's the only way.
So it's like I just say, no,I'll figure it out and that's
what I'm saying.

You gotta make those cheaper jobs come up you
gotta get them to a point whereyeah, uh, you can charge
whatever you want to charge forshooter right and you can give
the editor.
You may not be able to makethat much money off the editor
in the beginning let's say it'snot like you're gonna be able to
charge them 1500.
Pay the editor less a thousandyeah now, it may happen
eventually, but saying in thebeginning, even if that means
just transferring the moneyminus your costs, it may be

(01:39:27):
worth it because you're givingthem better videos and, like I
said, it's not taking any ofyour time, right?
Obviously you need an editorwhere you're not giving your
time, because if you're spendingtoo much time correcting that
editor, this back to square one.

You might as well have edited it.

So, but yeah, I think that will help you scale
your business so much becausewhat you need to do is focus on,
like you said, meeting otherpeople, networking, creating
projects, and every time you'reediting every minute of it.
Guess what you're not doingWorking on the business, Exactly
.

Because editing is like and I think that's why
it does put you in a trancestate, because you only can do
this- you can't edit and watchTV.

Yeah, you can't I mean maybe listen to music.
But that would be it and I'msaying that's the most you can
do.

You can't be emailing, yeah, and I have to
lock in on this, yeah, and thattoo.
On a talking head you can'teven listen to music because
you've got to listen to them.
So, yeah, no, that's what I'msaying.

I don't edit, I don't want to edit.
Finally, I found some goodeditors.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
I'm gonna stick to them.
I can't get one, no no, sir,there's no love man there's no
love out here.

No, there is.
Bender Productions available tohire.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
That's fair yeah, you just send me the project.

I'll give you the budget and we can make it
happen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Say less say less, I can take some.
Hey look this is a business.

I'm happy to share everything For sure, for sure,
but I got to make money too.

That's the game.
I will take you up on thatoffer.
This is all I do?

I don't have this is not a passion for me.
This is what pays the bills, sowe got to make money.
But I'm happy to again,obviously Again we're not a DP,
but like for but for friends I'mhappy to go be a.
Dp and you know they benefitfrom it.
Why not?
And plus, I get to be on coolset.
Same thing with you, if I meanI get to edit your cool videos.

(01:41:12):
Why?
Not I mean I wouldn't mind,especially if it's a bigger
project, like with the.

TrackMan videos like those edits man, like it'll
be like two weeks of editing,yeah, and you don't want to do
it and I'm like bro.
I just edited for two weeks andI couldn't edit, I couldn't
even touch other clients' stuff.

We have a 14-day delivery timeline, by the way.

So the day you get a restart.

You pay me.
14 days later you get the video.

Obviously it needs revision.

I'm saying maximum .

It could be even sooner, but that's what I
advertise 14 days delivery fromwhenever we start obviously.
So, pretty fast.
I don't want to be holding formonths.

Look at him selling me right now.
Man Always be selling hey, I'mbad at it, see, I'm telling you
the truth.
My selling style is just sayingthe truth which is you want
something edited, you pay me.
14 days later, I'll give you anedited video and I and I'm
pretty sure it'll be what youexpected.
Obviously you have to try it,because juliet is what I want
her to do may not be the videosyou want to do right, but it

(01:42:14):
doesn't hurt to try right yeah,and if it is what you're looking
to do, then go, why not?
and then you can.
And again, it's not, shouldn'tbe coming out of your pocket,
you should be billing yourclients for it, and they'll
happily pay for a good editor.
That's the thing, because whatmakes you look good?
Why wouldn't you want to do it?
And again, you don't have to doit, julie, if you find your
weather.
I'm saying a good editor, but,man, I want more editors too.

(01:42:35):
I'm telling you, we have somuch workload that I want more
editors.

It's just I, like you said, I keep trying.

What I'll do is sometimes I'll take footage and
I'll give it to someone and belike hey, here's a trial run.
Obviously it's not full budget,but it's like, yeah, this is.
This will never be used with aclient here's, here's the
original video.
Sometimes I'll even show themlike I don't want you to make
that, I want you to makesomething make your own, yeah,
and here's a couple hundredbucks just as a bonus, like
remember, this is just testingit out yeah, and very rarely and
if it's, if they yeah, ifthey're good, though, then
obviously I'll try more of it.
That means more work.
But again, I find most editorsand it's not that they're bad,

(01:43:10):
it's just they get in their head, they get to their vision, and
then there's their soul that'sit I'm.
They forget that you're working, it's just like me, like I have
a vision, right I?
When I talk to a client, butthey'll come up with the
silliest requests, right?
I look a little too fat in thatshot and you know, even though
I love that shot, but at thatsome point you have to let go.
It's not my video.

(01:43:31):
I'd rather change that one shotwhere they're not happy with
what they look like, even thoughit's a self thing, then fight
over that, that doesn't matter.
Now, something that changeschanges a story that's different
.
That's where I will actuallyyeah, well, not fight, but like
at least argue my case that hey,I think this is what's gonna
make you money if you take thisout yeah, you know the story
yeah, exactly, maybe we can maskit, we can maybe put, uh, some

(01:43:54):
b-roll on it or something.

You know what I mean?

yeah, exactly we can, we can work around them,
but at the end it's their video.
So you know I have to ask themit it's on my video.
But that's why I like againediting Julie.
I like to send the first cutalready where I'm so happy, like
I want to send my video first.
That's why I don't do draftsanymore.
So the way I do it with myclients is I say the first one
will be a draft, but we alreadysend it all edited, all color

(01:44:18):
corrected.
I want them to just love it,because I want to set my vision
first, because what I found inthe past was when we would do
that just a draft, they wouldpick it apart so much because
you know wouldn't, because, look, it's a draft, right, and then
it wouldn't be my vision and Iand I was like it was like the
only way I can make the money isby making the video I want to
make right because, again, it'snot about me, it's about them,

(01:44:39):
but I have to do my job well toto you know for it to work for
them.
So that's why I found, like inmy like what I call draft, if
it's already a final, they veryrarely have edits.

Yeah, and on top of that, they're going to be
happier because the video isactually going to work for them
another thing I've noticed toowith clients is uh, the clients
who pay the most don't everreally ask for revisions.
It's like, oh, this is great,yeah I, I'm like what Really?

Because they're letting you be professional.
Yeah, yeah yeah, I've noticedthat.
That's what I'm saying whenyou're low.
See, the thing is that $10, $5,whatever your money is, it
matters a lot.
When you only have, let's say,20, right.
But when you have a million,five grand is drop in the bucket

(01:45:28):
, right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
And what they're doing you to do is bring an
expert, right?

yeah, so in my opinion, uh, when you're the
expert and you act like anexpert, you make them something
awesome.
They, they trust you.
That's why they hired you,otherwise they wouldn't have
hired you.
Right?
And but those are the best onesfor us, because now we get to
do what we want to do, rightwe'd have no edit freedom and
they love the video, and theirclients love the video.
Their customers love the video,and that's the win-win situation

(01:45:50):
yeah so those are the clientswe're all chasing, right, we're
chasing clients who want to workdirectly with us and who want
to, who want to sled, becreatively, you know, freedom
yeah creative freedom.
But then uh, you know uh, andthen they're happy too, and
we're happy.
I think everyone wins at theend.
Yeah, um, obviously there.
You can't always be happy.
There's always crazy setstories yeah, part of the game.

(01:46:12):
That's part of the game which iswhy I like my method, uh, you
know, which is like gettingreferrals, because, uh, the
people that who are referring mehave already worked with me, so
they already have set theexpectations.
They know, and I love that Likemy best thing of what I love,
and I didn't create this, Ididn't go tell anyone I'm the
best or whatever, because that'snot my way.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
But other people but yeah, but when?

the people introduced me.
I love when I go to anetworking room they're like hey
, bindra, you hire bindra yeahyou know, and and then it's
funny is they don't mean best,like oh, which I mean we try to
make it best visually for everybudget but they're not saying
best visually, best soundthey're just saying best, best
video.
Yeah, whatever that is right isgoing to be bindra and that just

(01:46:55):
become, at least locally here,synonymous with the, with my
company and I love thatespecially with the business
circle that I'm in and thatmakes me so happy, because I
didn't go tell people to tellthat, and when other people tell
them like I must be doingsomething right, because that's
exactly what I'm trying to do,yes, we'll try to make it sound
good, we'll make it light good,we'll make it video.
But I'm not selling that.

(01:47:15):
I'm selling you a solution andas long as we make the best
solution, we are the best right,and obviously it's not like
we're lacking in skill right,our equipment.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
Clearly, I think we have more equipment than anyone
else.
Yeah, more than enough in thatdepartment.

Yeah, so so and that's and because, and just so
you know I don't like collectequipment that just doesn't work
everything oh, I've seen itthat that doesn't get worked is
sold or checked out.

You have all functional equipment.

It is literally what gets worked over and over
and again.
Obviously, there's some itemswe're not pulling every day, but
they're still working.
If I'm not pulling somethingfor six months a year, oh, it's
getting sold because I'd ratherrent it.
It makes no sense financially.
So it's not like I want peopleto know.
I'm not just trying to collectgear, just to collect gear.
Obviously I'm not just tryingto collect gear just to collect

(01:48:06):
gear.
Obviously I'm passionate aboutit.
I'm a techie.
But at the same time it has towork, otherwise no point,
there's no purpose.

Yeah exactly, we don't want to just carry weight.

We already have sandbags.

We already have dirt.
It gets heavy.
Man.
I'm still driving my Corollawith 1 thousand pounds of gear
in the backseat, in the trunk,though.
Oh wow, yeah, yeah.
I was about to buy a car lastyear and I was like, hmm, what
were you thinking about buying?
I was going to get a Tacoma, ohI know, yeah.

Welcome to the taco game Taco game.
It's so sad my Tacoma is notgoing to work that much anymore
because I'm going to have toswitch to the van now and you
know, even before my Tacomaworked with the trailer not
anymore.

So that's kind of sad, it's just back to a
personal vehicle, except formeetings.
You don't need it, no more.
No, I need it.

What are you talking about.
Now I can go make it.
I'm going to put big tires on,you're going to go crazy.
Yeah, exactly, now I can make itbecause you know it's just
meetings and stuff.
So maybe right, uh, it may notbe hauling gear anymore right,
so, but no man tacomas areawesome just so you know I ran
this business last few years outof tacoma and so you took all
my good.
Enough is what I'm saying Iguess it gets for corporate work

(01:49:12):
and it's an incredibly reliablevehicle I have nothing to bad
to say.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Funny, how many miles you got 30, 35 35 000.

Yeah, but it's only a couple of years old.
Oh, okay, okay, so it's fairlynew, but my car has like 200,000
miles on it and it's stillriding.
It drives so smooth.
What is it again?

Corolla, oh yeah.

Toyota.

And that's what I'm saying.
I had a Mercedes before thenand never again.
No-transcript was a brand newcar, top-line model, and, uh no,

(01:49:57):
the window would roll, thechrome started and the the trim
started to like fade or oxidizeor whatever Point is.
It wasn't worth it ever again.
And I said I bought Tacoma,I've had it obviously only two
and a half.

You're going to have that table forever, no
problems or change.
And that's it man.
Nothing, and I don't want tojinx it.
Literally nothing and plus.

I love the community of it.

Again, I love videos, I love the community of
it.

Again.
I love videos.
I love going to YouTube andbeing able to.
How do I change taillights?

So change, you know, put back taillights, and
it's easy to work on yourself.
Exactly yeah.

And funny enough, I'm not a car guy, but every mod
on my Tacoma, I did it myself.

Come on now.
It's that easy, man, yeah.

Yeah, I put like those devil, oh you did Yourself
.

Yeah, yeah.

And the taillights .
I mean these simple mods.
But the tonneau cover.
You know, the point iseverything I did myself and I'm
so surprised that I did that.
And if I can do it and I'm nota car person, then I can.
Anybody can do it.
So, I'm excited, man.
When's the Tacoma?
When did you join?

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
the family.
I love my too.

Yeah, yeah so I'm saying you guys joined the
tacoma gang one day.

I because like for me, like I was just looking
at my expenses, I'm like I justfeel like it's such an
unnecessary, like my car drivesgood and I've gotten this far.
If I need to bring that muchgear, I'll run a car, true I
mean to be really to go.

Toyota's will run forever.

I'm like my friend had.
My first car was a uh two, no,1991 uh toyota celica with like
350,000 miles on it.
Wow, I started every morning,drove me to school, drove from
West Palm to Orlando.
That's crazy.

Well, that's what I was telling my daughter.
So she's just eight now.

Yeah.

So long ways from driving I was like hey, what?

kind of car you want.

No, she slammed the door.
Oh really, I was like, hey,don't slam it, you're gonna be
driving this one that she's likeI'm not gonna drive I was like
late, so tacoma it's toyota,it's gonna be here I don't think
it's going anywhere and I Iusually I swap my cars every few
years because, again, I'm not acar guy and I don't want to
trust a vehicle that's notreliable.
Right, but this is the firstone where I'm like I don't see

(01:51:57):
why I have forever changing it.
You know, I mean a cyber truck,hey what do?
You doing, but my, my kidthings in.
Uh, you know my significant.
They think they think it's afreaking cockroach.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Yeah so, so, I don't know, I don't see cockroach.

I see a lot of other things yeah, so I don't
want to disappoint anyone.
That's why I haven't pulled aplug.
Plus, I like my tacoma.

I've had nothing but good I know man, I go to
meetings I feel like it's sopolarizing yeah yeah, yeah, I
don't know, I don't get it.

I think the tech in it is really cool.
The shape is polarizing.

Yeah, the shape, yeah, but see.

I'm a tech guy so I'm looking at the under the
hood all the stuff they did.
The specs and everything.

yeah, yeah, the steering and the tech inside,
but the shell is stillpolarizing.

Yeah, and I don't want to disappoint my family or
don't do that be judged by thethe public.
Right I'm driving, they're like.

I don't know.

I don't know.

So I plus I'm happy with my Tacoma so I think
I'm just going to stick to itone new vehicle is fine with the
van right now, and they holdtheir value too.
That's the thing about toyotalike yeah, like your tricoma,
probably what 30 000, 40, Idon't, I haven't looked at it,
but I know in the pandemic.

I could have freaking sold it for more money,
right so I bought my, my tacomawas like 50 grand with the tax
and everything, something likethat.
I don't remember when I got ityeah I got it during the
pandemic, but that's before thisso a year later, uh, uh, which,
funny enough, that means I'vehad it like three years anyway
it was during.
The point is when the car partskyrocketed.

(01:53:29):
People started calling me andthey were like we'll give you
like 55 or 60 grand for it andI'm like.
I don't know how serious it waseither way but point is I was
like that's crazy to me that Ican get more.
Obviously that market is nolonger there, but like that I
could get more money for mytruck than I paid for it.
Brand new, um, but even now,yeah, it's probably like you

(01:53:51):
said 30, 40, 40 easily holdingthis back mercedes them things,
oh no tank dude, I bought it forsame thing 50, 55, brand new.
It was like a suv.
Yeah, all facts and whatever Isold it like, not even a year,
year and a half, like I said, Ihave bad experience with that
and I got half of it.
That's what I'm saying and thatwas lucky, like I went

(01:54:11):
everywhere.

Usually you get in like 20% of what you're
paying for.

I was just like wow.

Yeah.

Depreciation is.
It's because they're yeah, Imean, I never get like that Is
that Toyota game.
I've learned my lesson inluxury cars.
You know, that's what happensin life, right?
You get filing some money.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
I was like oh, let me buy, Give me a nice car.

Exactly because that's what you know.
You hear about German engineersor whatever.
Yeah nope, man, I mean.
And to be real, German stuff isgood, Like I love Chef's
microphones.

Yeah, german company, so they make good stuff
.
It's just mercedes, yeah,mercedes, and I thought mercedes
used to be good, but today'smercedes is just not at least my
sample size.

Yeah, I don't know .
But no man, I can't wait.
Obviously no rush, because,like you said, make smart
decisions yeah, I can't wait foryou to join tacoma I will be
there soon, brother.

That'd be fun anyway, all right.

So another thing I wanted to ask you was, uh, talk
about like family and personallife balance, like work and life
balance.

Okay.

So, you know now that you worked a full year
where you made six figures.
How do you manage to still givetime to your family and to your
significant other?

So I'm newly engaged, by the way, yeah.

Yeah, I got a fiance.
You finally popped the question.

Yeah, last October, you know, got on one
knee.
You know super nerve wrackingand crazy, but that's what's
happening now.
I think the biggest thing withme and my fiance is that I
communicate.
You know.
So you know, cause industry isso like, it's so random and
sporadic.
You don't know what days you'regoing to be working, how often
you're going to be working.
So I try to be verycommunicative.

(01:55:49):
Like, hey, like this week I'mworking all week, so I'm not
really gonna have time to spendtime with you, but I always find
time to make time.
So I'm trying to be trying tobe conscious and make her feel
that I'm, um, I'm present and Iwant to spend time with her.
So, like at the beginning ofthe week, I'm like, hey, I'm
working these six days, I'm freeSunday.
What time you want to hang out,let's go on a date that day,

(01:56:09):
and then.
So the biggest thing is justcarving out that time.
So, like, even with my family,like we do a once a month like
family fun days, so like thewhole family gets together, and
if we plan that, like I'm bookedthat day, I'm not booking any
jobs, like I just try to atleast have that once a month,
exactly.

That's very smart man.
And then I think it also tellme if I'm like a business
owner's significant other alsois not just can anyone be?
Like they have to be able tounderstand that, like you said,
at one moment, you know youcould be working six days and
then you know two weeks laterit's for two weeks, you're home.
Right, I'm free.
Yeah, exactly, so they have tobe able to like balance that.

Yeah, and that's a special person, yeah exactly.

It can't just be anyone but.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
I think that's very important though.

Once you find that person, that is very important
to have that.
You know that relationship as asupport person in your life,
right?

Yeah, I know a lot of people like their
relationships have been tornapart from just the person's
working too hard and they justlike I need your energy, I need
your attention.
It's like in this industry Imight not be able to give you
attention all the time,especially when you have work.

right, I gotta work.
Yeah, you gotta work.
I have to go Exactly.
So you Probably in the nextthree years oh so you already
planned it, yeah yeah, planningit all out, I mean the goal— A
little comedian, a little funnydude.

I mean I told my fiance I was like if my kid
don't laugh like I'll bemiserable.

Yeah, got me cracking jokes all the time.
Man with that laugh yeah, yougot to have a kid.
I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, itsoon.
Um, yeah, yeah, I got kids.

No, yeah, marriage is coming in november
this, so you already set thedate.
Yeah, november or october.
We're like we're still doing ontwo different days, yeah um,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm all grownup, man, it feels crazy, I know
yeah, man, I'm so happy for you.

Uh, you know, like I said, we met what it's been a
few years now I work two yearsthese good amount of projects
together too, man, every timeit's been just nothing but a
blast I'm telling you, you arethe funnest guy I can have on
set.
I mean, I don't know about yourstand-up, but on set man,
you're incredible can't help it,sorry uh, but no I mean man

(01:58:24):
like for real, like it'sincredible energy and, like I
said, I'm envious.
I'm envious of the energy thatyou have.

Yeah, I appreciate you.

And I'm telling people, man, that this is part
of it and I wish I had it.
I don't have it.
So, I have to work harder toyou know, to offset the energy
that you have and that's a funpersonality that you have Cause
to be real.
Clients want that.
They don't want to besurrounded by boring.

Yeah, I mean, you know the corporate world is
already so boring, exactly, youknow, yeah.

Yeah, so they need a little bit of yeah.
So uh Again especially futureendeavors on marriage and
everything.
Man, keep her, keep her, keepher close.

Keep her close and also, don't forget.

you know that you pay attention, continue to pay
attention to her Because, likeyou said, our work especially
now that you're going to go to250,.

You're going to go to.

Mill, you've got to freaking.
Going to be busier and busierand busier.
But you've got to keep payingyour attention, man.

It's very important, but you know that
yeah, why do I gotta tell youthank you for reiterating, and
you know I'm here, man anythingyou need ever ask a question or
whatever.
I think you got it, but Idefinitely I, I want to say
thank you for the guidanceyou've given me over over the
last year or two, um, justalways being like willing to
answer questions and be therefor us, like it's uh, it's hard

(01:59:42):
to find someone like that's at'swilling to, like, you know, be
there for people who are comingup.
Because when I was coming up,like I said, when I was making
$10,000, I was talking to thisguy you know what I'm saying Any
question I had, he's like yeah,okay, yeah, I'll call you,
you'll answer, you know, like,yeah, I got you and see and that
I didn't.

Now I want other people to have that.
I don't know why would I keepthat to myself?
If I've made mistakes, I don'tneed other.
I still need lots of money.
I just bought a house.

Oh yeah, never mind, he needs a pedo man.
If he needs video, hire BingerProductions.
He needs some money.

Hey, we're not peddling anything on this
podcast.

It's a but anyway , but I appreciate it.

Yes, if you need video, but most people watching
this probably want to makevideos.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

But anyway, but no , I genuinely am like that's
been my philosophy man, like Ifind in life, like I say you
share, it comes back Right, I'mhappy to share Plus, if I can
save you even two months of yourlife, not wasting on something
that doesn't work.
It's important, or at leastdidn't work for me.
Yeah, and I can just tell youhey, this worked Right.

(02:00:47):
Yeah, which is exactly whatyou're doing, which I'm like go
meet more people, yeah, tellthem what you do Right and then
just match it up Actually do itRight, and if you can't do it,
bring in people complicated, butyou and you're doing it
obviously which is why, youfound success.
I mean, I'm watching you guys,so I will take tiny credit, but
not a lot I think, you.
Just I hope you.

You know I had some part to play in it, but I
think it's all you uh,definitely had a because, like
for what I, what I, what I do,is like one thing I do.
You know who sam walton is?
Yeah, so, the founder ofwalmart.
I read his book a while ago andlike his big philosophy was
like, just take from people whoare doing it right, you know.
So, like, so he was makingWalmarts.

(02:01:28):
I'm going to go to Publix andall these different stores and
see what they're doing Right andadd that to my store and that's
how Walmart got so successful.
So I took that same approachwith the business and I'm like
all right, I'm looking at bingerproductions and you took me to
a chamber of commerce meetingand, uh, was it horizon wherever
it was?
yeah, yeah, but yeah, we wentover there and I'm like, oh my

(02:01:48):
okay, this is what he's doing.
He's meeting people, he'sshaking hands.
He's oh hey, how's it going,vipo?

I'm like, oh okay, I'm still in that you know I
said and just take all thelittle and absolutely that's so,
that's, and I'm all for it,because go meet people, man, get
work, because you know,ultimately I'll tell you this
thing, it comes back becauseguess what, when sean grows
bigger than me, you're gonnaneed a dp or director or
whatever.
I'm here right so exactly andthat's how it is man, it's

(02:02:15):
collaborative, it's it's allfriendly.
So I'm I'm so happy for you.
Now, before we go, anythingelse you want to ask me or
anything and you want to?

add um I guess what?
What drives you, what's yourdrive?

to be honest, never having to have the job
again, so I'll make it quicktime for us to end this, but uh
you know, like I said, I I Ialways love video.
I'll tell my story some otherday, but the main thing is is
when I started to do freelance,I also had to have a job,
obviously right, to pay thebills, and it was miserable.
At least I worked for Disneyfirst.

(02:02:51):
Then I went to a differentcompany and that was just
miserable because money was fine, right, it paid for all the
bills and then I made decent atthe end of it because there was
commissions and stuff, but Ijust was miserable.
It I just was miserable.
It was like the same thing youhave to sell, you have to peddle
stuff, you have to managepeople that don't really want to
be there.
So this was a negativeenvironment.
I'm like here's something thatmakes me happy and here's

(02:03:14):
something that doesn't make mehappy, but I'm spending the
majority of my time here becausethis is supposedly paying the
bills and making that leap.
It was the hardest thing inlife to do be like I'm not going
to do this job anymore, I'm notgoing to do anything, I'm just
going to, um, do video and I'mgoing to focus my passion.
And then so many people in hereyou're telling you can't do it
or this isn't going to work orwhatever.
Right, but best thing I everdid so you know what drives me

(02:03:34):
every day.
Coming back to your answer, justnot going back to life.
I would rather work 18 hourslike today, because you know we
were getting the studio ready, Iwork.
I would rather work 22 hourslike today, right, barely any
sleep, than ever go back to aneight-hour job where I'm
miserable because I'm happy, I'mpassionate.

(02:03:55):
I don't know if you can't tell,but this is what I love.
I live and breathe this andthis.
If I was doing this as a hobbyright I'm I was putting all my
money into it.
I'd rather have this make, makeme money and make me be happy.
Rather, my opposite is to tonedown a little bit, because when
I talk to non-video people, Igot to be like, not talk about
video.
And that's all I can talk aboutis video production and cameras

(02:04:16):
and sound and lighting and gripand all this crap or business
strategies.

Speaker 3 (02:04:24):
And, and you know, sometimes you just gotta dial it
back and go like let's go tomagic yeah, yeah exactly so.

So that's, but that's mainly been my driving
factor man and then, like I said, like they say it's kind of old
saying you know, like love,like find a way to make what you
love, make you money right.
So and I'm one of the luckyones that I've figured out how
to have a family and you knowlife and and house and cars or

(02:04:49):
whatever right from somethingthat I love, something that you
love and I no longer considerany day work anymore.
Right, even though I work, Ifeel like way, way more than
I've ever have.
Yeah, but it's worth it.
So I, I guess I'll continuethis, so that retirement is not
even a word in my brain.
I'll do this as long as I loveit, and currently I don't see
this love going anywhere and ifit ever does then you know, we

(02:05:10):
just figure it out when thatrole comes.

Yes, sir awesome man.

Again, thank you for coming in.
Any day you're welcome to comeback, but thank you and thank
you for watching.
Appreciate, before we go sharepeople.
How can I find you?
What's your instagram?

Instagram Badash B-A-D-A-S-H films on Instagram,
twitter, youtube all theinternet.

Perfect, we're not selling anything on this
podcast but, definitely gofollow.

Sean.

I think he's definitely going to be posting
way more than I am.
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I am Allright, sean, thank you.
Thank you for coming, man.

Peace Sweet.
Alright, sean, thank you.
Thank you for coming, man,peace sweet.

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