Nurse by Night, Filmmaker by Day—How a Nursing Student Built a Thriving Video Business!

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Vipul Bindra (00:04):
doeran, thank you.
Thank you for taking the timeout of your you know schedule
and I know very busy scheduleand coming and seeing me and uh,
and it's great to just catch upwith you yeah, definitely.

Doron Cadiente (00:14):
I'm super, super happy to be here.

It's awesome that you're, you know, putting this
on and I know I've been talkingabout I've said this so many
times on this podcast, but I'vebeen wanting to do this for you
know, so many years becausewe've had so many talks right,
we've had coffees and stuff, andI feel like this is just that,
while just we're recording it,just because I feel like
obviously we're going to catchup anyway and have this
conversation but might as wellhave other people listen for

(00:38):
entertainment or whatever andgets maybe some value out of it.
I know I like listening topodcasts when I'm like driving
or flying and I'd rather listento people who think like me,
because I'm assuming theaudience here is more you know
filmmaker or want to be afilmmaker or a successful
filmmaker.
So anyway, let's, let's getinto it.
So what have you been up to?
It's been a few.

(00:58):
No, it's been a while since wegot up.
I haven't seen you at any ofthe filmmaker meetups or
anywhere.
So where have you been?

yeah, yeah, well , you know, uh, in our
conversations I, I'm, you know,I'm currently in nursing school
right now, uh, so I've beensuper busy with that lately.
I'm just trying to grind, grindthat out so that way I can
focus more of my time on onvideo which is so crazy.

You know, your, your, your fields are so, so
stark difference.
And we have obviously talkedabout nursing school so much.
But you're doing nursing school, which does take a lot of your
time, and then you do video aswell.
How do you even manage time?

Well, it's pretty difficult, I'm not going
to lie.
So I also work night shift atthe hospital as well.
So that's from 7 pm to 7 am.
So in the midst of you know,doing nursing school, working
night shift and then also doingvideo on the side, it's
definitely a hustle.
I wouldn't recommend it toanybody but, in my particular

(01:58):
situation, I just felt like I'ma type of person that really
likes security you know, I'm atype of person that really likes
security, you know and I'm notsaying you know to not take
risks at all, but definitely youknow, secure something in your
life so that way you havesomething to fall back on with,
whatever it is, and that's justkind of how I've.

No, that's very safe, and we obviously had this
conversation I remember a coupleof years ago, I believe, and
when you were contemplating youknow, know all of this and uh,
I'm glad, I think the decisionyou took is good to do both.
Obviously it's difficult, butbut you're, you're obviously
managing, you're almost there.
The thing I want to know isit's very, very varied interest.
Obviously, video and nursing isvery different.

Yeah, so tell me , tell me the connection, if
there is any yeah, well, well,honestly, I feel like I feel
like nursing just kind of, youknow, came to me.
I, in high school they had aCNA program there that I took
part in and I was like you knowwhat?
This would be a perfectopportunity, you know, right out
of high school have a job, youknow, a decent paying job for

(02:58):
what it was, and that's kind ofwhat led me into that path.
And then, you know, I've beenin and out of other jobs as well
.
But, yeah, I think it was aboutsix years ago I took a trip to
the Philippines with my familyand I had been watching some
travel videos on YouTube and Iwas like you know what I bought

(03:21):
my first camera.
It was a Sony a 6,500 and, um,yeah, I brought that with me.
You know, shot some stuffWasn't the best stuff, obviously
, but yeah, from then on I kindof just looked for other
opportunities to, you know, usethat camera and, um, that
brought me to California.
I met somebody out there thatwas already, you know, uh, head

(03:43):
deep in their business as well.
So I, you know, rubbedshoulders with them, I did some
you know gigs with them, andthen I came back here to Florida
, you know, started to make moreconnections and you know I kind
of just kept on to nursing andto video and you know the goal
is, once I graduate, to usenursing as a supplement to the

(04:06):
video thing which is so awesome,by the way, also just stop, and
and you said a lot in therethat we need to touch up, but,
but we got time, so I'll startback to nursing, though, and
it's not.

it's not common, right?
Um, for male nurses, that'salready your, your, uh, I guess
I don't know, doing somethingthat's not common for male
nursing, isn't that correct?

Yeah, yeah, you don't really.
I mean, when I go to work, it'smainly females there.

I mean, is that a good thing?

I mean, no, it's definitely a female.
You know there's a lot offemales that work there, but I
don't know.
I feel like it's a good placeto work.

Maybe, let's convert a filmmaker.
What would you say?

Is it worth?

it.
Is it worth it or no?

I mean man, if you can make plenty of money off
of film.
I would say stick to that, okay.

All right.

So don't, don't, don't leave your passion yet,
exactly exactly um, butdefinitely, if you're wanting
something with you know, like Isaid before, if you're wanting
something that's secure, um, youknow, I mean, I think
healthcare is a oh yeah, it'snot going anywhere, yeah I don't
know when people would stopbeing sick.

I don't think ever , uh, I mean, unless we become
robots but that's that's anotherscenario.
But yes, you're absolutely right.
Health care is, I think, one ofthe most safest, secure jobs
you can find, and exactly that'swhy I want to go back to a
couple years.
So here's the conversation Iremember.
I remember you reaching out asmeaning for coffee and I
remember you thinking um, youknow, if you wanted to do both,

(05:44):
or pick one or the other, tellme, tell me what was going
through and I know it's been awhile, obviously what was going
through your head and why didyou end up picking the decision
that you did now to do both?
And you know, divide your time.

Yeah, well, I think at that time I yeah, I
hadn't started nursing schoolyet and I was I was really
thinking about you know, becauseit was getting to the time for
me to start.
And you know I I don't know, Ijust I just really wanted to
make sure I made the rightdecision.
You know I'm I really reallytake a lot of time, and you know

(06:20):
, trying to figure out my lifeand you know what's the best for
me, and you know I, you know,trying to figure out my life and
you know what's the best for me, and you know.
I, you know I believe in God,like I'm God driven, and you
know I spent a lot of timepraying about it too.
And it's only two years, twoyears of nursing school.
You know, only two years oftime to.

you know sacrifice and you're very young, so you,
you know you have time.

Yeah, yeah, I'm 27,.
Turned 28 this month and youknow I was like, you know what?
I have no education under mybelt.
You know why don't I justsacrifice the two years?
And that doesn't mean I can'tmake you know lasting
friendships.
You know connections.

You know you and I you know we still, yeah, we
worked on projects.
Yeah, exactly.
So you helped me literally in2024 on a project.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So so you know what I was just like, you know
what.
Let me just, let me justsacrifice the time and then, uh,
you know if I can, there willbe times throughout nursing
school that.
I can pick up the occasional jobwhich I have been able to do,
um, which, honestly, has been ablessing because, you know,
there's still people that want,want to work with me and, um,

(07:22):
and I'm still making connectionswith, you know, future clients,
which has been another blessing.
So, yeah, that's kind of whatwas going through my head, um,
and I definitely didn't want tolet you know video go, you know.

So I wanted to try to keep each occupation in in
in place, so you think thedecision was right.

I think so and I think I think when I graduate,
I'll be able to see.
I'll be able to see.
You know the reasonings behindthat you know come come into
place.
But um, yeah, I think so farit's, it's been working out.

So your goal is as of right now and obviously
things can change his life, butit's to pursue both.
You want to have video businessand you're going to do nursing
and try to manage your time,like you have been the last few
years.

Yeah, yeah, I think definitely I would have to
change some things just to make, cause I definitely want video
to be superior over everythingelse, um, and just use kind of
nursing, as you know, the, the,the backup, uh, so if it is, you
know, doing part-time, uh, as anurse, I think you know that
would be great, but definitely,definitely video, because I've

(08:29):
seen, just to be honest, likeI've seen video, as you know,
more lucrative pursuit.

I'm sure.

Yeah, yeah, definitely, and it's definitely.
You know, there's a lot morefreedom you know, working for
myself.
I'm not having to you knowclock, know clock in.
You know, I can clock in when Iwant to, I can make my own
schedule.
Um, and I'm not having to, youknow, lean on someone else to to
give me money.
Yeah, I can make my own moneyexactly you get.

You get to be your own boss, exactly.
I mean, technically, we havebosses, but they're limited time
bosses, right, when you get theclient right, once you deliver,
you're done, unless it's aretainer client, definitely.
Uh, so that's awesome, man.
I love that the spark is stillhere and you're continuing to
progress with both and, uh,you're happy about it.
I don't remember what advice Igave you.
I hope it wasn't the wrong one.

(09:16):
I remember us having a longconversation, so I don't
remember what I said?
yeah, exactly I just hope it was.
Uh, it was that's'd picked,yeah.
I will say at least that's whatit was.
So now that obviously we'rehere, you're almost, you're what
one semester left One semester.
Yeah, almost there, almostthere.
And then what are you going todo?

(09:38):
You're going to register yourvideo business like an LLC or
whatever, and do you think youalready have clients, since
you've been building up to it,you know?

Yeah, well, honestly, I'm.
I'm not, as I'm not asexperienced as most other people
in their video business, which,again, you know, I'm grateful
for the people that I knowbecause I can always, you know,
reach out to people like you.
You know, if I do havequestions about, you know, the
video business and you knowthey'd be willing to, to help me
out.

But, um, definitely yeah, yeah, of course
, we have done that already,yeah.

Yeah, of course, absolutely, and, and yeah, I
think, uh, you know I wasthinking about that before
coming here.
You know, definitely this year.
Um, I want to see if I can, youknow, register as an LLC.
Um, I'm not niched yet in anyparticular thing.
Uh, which you know, I I'm tryingto get my feet wet and you know
many different aspects of video, uh, but yeah, I do have you

(10:34):
know some some weddings, uh,lined up wedding connections, um
, and some other.
You know corporate type, uhvideo clients as well.
It's just a matter of you knowmaking that time to be able to
meet with them and to actuallyshoot.
Yeah, so, and again, you knowthe, you know nursing school and
night shift have kind of youknow made that not possible

(10:56):
right now but hopefully in theforeseeable future?

Yeah, but you have been able to find.
I still remember it was midlast year, whatever.
I still remember I needed youas a cam up.
I reached out and I said hey,this is what I need.
I mean you to bring in f whichis rare for me to ask equipment
but I was like I need you tobring an fx6 and this lens or
whatever it was and and you'regonna operate in a camera.
For me it's like got it, youcame, you killed it, like always

(11:19):
, and so it was great.
I mean, that was awesome and,uh, you were able to somehow
find time for that, so that waspretty good yeah.

Yeah, you know, you know in some of those gigs
that when, when people ask me tocome help them out, it's, it's
typically, you know, like thenight before Well.
Well, the day of I get off ofshift at like 7 am and then I'm
crashing for like three hoursand then, I wake up and then I
head over to the gig.
And then I wake up and then Ihead over to the gig.
I know that gig that we didwith Adam once to help him out.

(11:46):
I think, yeah, it was at 7 am.
I had gotten off and then I gotmy stuff together and I went
over to his gig.

That was so cool because I remember him reaching
out and I was like, yeah, Iwould love to come help out, of
course.
And then it's like, oh, doran'sgoing to be there.
I was like, yeah, I would loveto come help out, of course, you
know why.
When then it's like, oh,doran's gonna be there, oh, I
was like, yeah, that's good.
Then then we got it, because Iknow we can, we can make it
happen, but I can't imagine howexhausted you would have been,
but we couldn't tell.
And that's what matters.
Right, you, you're able to pushthrough, which I mean a lot of
video people.
We can have long days, so themain thing is that you're able

(12:19):
to push through.
You're able to, you know, make,not let the crew around.
You know they or you knowyou're basically going down, um,
so that's pretty good.
Same thing on my gig, at least.
I don't know how tired you were.
We couldn't tell you which iswhich is the key.
Right, you came in like I say,uh, you were friendly, which,
like you always are, and youknow, we recorded the, the
content that we wanted to.

(12:39):
We got cool shots, we madegreat images.
You know we laughed, we had fun.
I mean, that's what it's about,right?
I don't know how's yourexperience?
Do you remember any of thatshoot?

because that's the most recent one that I
remember yeah, you know, I think, uh, right, um, yeah, I think
that was a little little bit ago, um, I don't know.
Just to just to kind of go backto what you were saying, I feel
like, I feel like mindset is abig thing when, especially, you

(13:08):
know, I had typically, when Iget off shift, uh, you know, I
am, I'm pretty pretty tired.
I mean, that's 12 hoursovernight, you know your body's
not used to hospital in ahospital, you know, and anything
can happen in the hospital,right?
um, but yeah, I think a lot ofit has to do with, like the, the
intention behind the decisionthat you make, right?

(13:30):
So you know, going into that, Ialready knew I wanted to be
there.
It wasn't like anybody wasforcing me to be there.
I didn't have to go.

Yeah, of course.

You know, um, but you know, I knew, by going,
it would be not only benefit tome but, you know, benefit to you
benefit to Adam and anybodyelse there, and you know I've
learned a lot from that.
I mean, like you know, I know,I know you brought some gear
with you as well.
And you know I, I learned a fewthings there.
You know, I learned, learned afew things about.

(13:59):
You know lighting and you knowhow to use different cameras, um
cameras and just like howproduction is actually run by
professionals you know, and Ihave been on a few gigs, you
know Thank you for consideringthis professional for me.
Because I haven't been on youknow a ton of different sets.
You know I've been on a handfulbut it's cool to see you know

(14:22):
people that I look up to yeah uhin action and and actually you
mean adam right, um, and, andyou know, actually getting work
done, yeah, but a bit to be real, I mean, with just my sets.

I can think of the variety of corporate and
commercial sets you've been on.
So you, that set that you'rejust mentioning was a scripted
you know.
Uh, so I would call it morelike commercialist, yeah.
And then you've been on eventshoots with me.
Yeah, then you have been on, um, you know, live productions
with me the one, that last one,that we did, and then on top
that, you've done the typicalbread and butter interview and

(14:57):
b-roll shoot with me.
That was just you and me, yeah.
So, so you've done enoughvariety.
I feel like that, you, youshould feel like what, what do
you feel?
Do you've done enough variety?
I feel like that you shouldfeel like what do you feel?
Do you feel confident?

enough.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I feel like you know, I feellike everyone's a student in
this game you know, you'realways a student, You're always
learning something new.
So you know, I like to say thatI feel like I know you know a
decent amount, but I definitelydon't know everything.

Which of these was your favorite, or you would say
at least the most you enjoyedtype of shoot, I'm saying, not
the specific shoot.

And you know what, like doing my own stuff as
well.
I've really come to loveinterviews.
I love interviews.

That's good, because you make a lot of money
if you can figure out.

Oh man, I love it, Just like the setup.
The setup's typically prettyquick, but just like getting to
know the other person and askingthem questions.
I feel like that's to me.
That's kind of like the centerof why I do what I do, you know
relationships.

Exactly.
Do you remember the one we did?
Yeah, for one of my reallyawesome clients, don, and that
was a very good interview thatwe pulled together and the
B-roll on it too.
You killed it, and what I lovedabout it was there was a
challenge, so I was inmid-transition, so I went from
Canon to full Sony.
And I still remember I had C70sas my A and B cam, but I had an

(16:11):
FX3 as the gimbal cam socompletely different way of
working.
I guess I mean the cameras aresimilar, but you know what I
mean, the menus are different,so you managed obviously both of
them and you got some greatshots out of it, so that was a
very fun shoot.

I mean, I think we got to lit it.

It was a big room too for just the two of us to be
lighting it, yeah, so we litthe whole room, we lit the
interview and then, obviously,we did b-roll after.
And again, huge spaces, becauseshe was an event organizer, so
we needed to do, you know,bigger spaces, which is not
normal for corporate stuff.
You're stuck in tiny offices.
So how was that experience?
Do you remember any of that?

Yeah, you know, I think, yeah, it was kind of a
big, kind of a big spot to light.

Yeah, especially for corporate.

I'm saying typically it's a tiny office,
right, yeah, and I think you'reusing this light right here.
Yeah, yeah, this is using thislight right here yeah, probably.

Yes, this is my my go-to light 600x for light dome
150.
For anyone wondering what thatis.

Yeah, yeah, yeah , but um, overall, I think it
was um for me.
For me it was.
It was a good experience.
I, I, uh, I think you were theone asking the questions and you
know I was manning both cameras, um, but I like how you were
very um, you kind of stood backand let things run.

(17:27):
You know, aside from the askingthe questions.
You're like hey, doran, can yougo do this?
And of course you know, yeah,I'll do that, you know.

And then you kind of just let me do my thing, yeah
, and I feel like I likethrowing people and, and I and
some people may not like mystyle, but that is my style.
I like to just throw peopleinto it and see what, how they
react, what they do, and mostpeople I find and tell me if I'm
wrong will pull through becauseyou wouldn't be in this
industry if you weren't willingto learn and you know and do it

(17:55):
most time you just don't haveaccess to a light like that big
or the dome that big, whatever,but it's the same as a small
dome.
So if I'm just like, hey, doron,can you set the light dome 150
and put the 600x on?
And I'm pretty sure you couldfigure it out.
But I'm also curious, can you?

figure it out exactly so yeah.

So no, I'm so glad you didn't mind that, because
but that is my style, because Idon't want to baby you.
To me that's more condescending, where I'm like let me show you
.
So you do this, you do this,and you come on.
I mean, whether you know it ornot, I don't know.
To me, I'd rather wait for youto come and say, hey, I did this
, but I don't know how to dothis, and that's okay, obviously
, that's.

Yeah, but anyway .

so yeah, no, I definitely did that, yes.

No, no, I, and I appreciate that honestly,
because that's literally theonly way for me at least in my
experience for me to learn.

Like you just gotta.
You just gotta throw me inthere, and you know yeah, and
these are real life situations.
We don't have five hours tolight.

We had what 30, 40 minutes, something like that
the typical time, so you have toalso get it done, and get it
done fast, yeah, and I and Ithink from that shoot, I
remember, you know, there wassomething I think it was a stand
that I hadn't used before and Ididn't know how to, and I felt
silly.
Honestly, I felt silly that Icouldn't really I couldn't open
the stand, but I was like youknow what, let me just ask him.

Let me, just because, the longer I wait to
ask him, you know the longer weare, you know, setting up so
yeah, I just asked you.

You know you were kind about it.
You know I set it up and youknow now I know how to set it up
for a future reference.
You know Perfect.

So that's good.
So I was.
I wasn't condescending.

No, no, it was good, no, and that's what I tell
people.

Look here, here's the thing.
The best way to learn uh, in myopinion, you come to four
shoots with me.
You can learn more than anycollege degree in filmmaking.
The truth is it's differentwhat you do in real life than

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what you learn in school.
Not saying school's bad, Idon't want to discount that but
what I'm saying is but the onlyway you're going to learn is by
being in it, and I'm I'm totallycool with people knowing some
things and not knowing something.
That's okay, especiallycorporate.
That's there.
We're a little less laid backlike we're more laid back than
like a movie set or whatever the.
The main thing for me is justand you don't do this, but I'm
saying anyone listening justdon't like, if you don't know
something, just don't startsaying in front of a client,
because then to us that looksamateur.
Right, and you didn't do that.

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Obviously it's okay to go tothe other person like, hey, I
don't know that, can you show?
And I'm most people happy toshow you, obviously.
Why not?
Because that's why we're hereto learn and grow together.
And as long as the client justdoesn't think we're amateurs,
right, because then it's likewhat?
And obviously you've been veryprofessional about it, which is
why we worked together.
So, yeah, just the key would belike make sure that the client

(20:32):
doesn't know, but outside ofthat it's pretty cool.
I mean, that's how you learn.
I mean, I don't know, you canwatch as many YouTube videos as
you know, and it's not the samething as the setting the stand
yourself right yeah, I mean youcould watch a video.
But until you lift a stand, youknow you put it together it's.
It's a whole differentexperience exactly, so I don't
know.

I'm kind of curious.
You know you're where you comefrom, like what was your um?

starting point, my starting point, oh, that's a
good question.
So, essentially, like I said,I've been, I've said this kind
of before, but I am a.
I'm a techie at heart, I'm anerd, but you know what I mean.
Like I just wanted to, like,literally growing up, you know,
and now I can look back andobviously know I was into either
video games, like playingPlayStation 2 as a kid, or
watching Formula 1.

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That's all I did so anyway.
So I wanted to just play withthe latest tech and the best way
I knew then this is then I wasgrowing up in india there was a
tech show on tv and I was like,well, you know, youtube wasn't
that thing, wasn't even thing.
So I was like, well, if, if Iwant to play with tech, I have
to go be on that show.
So I have to learn how to be afilmmaker.
You know, this is your braingoes, and so, and plus, we were

(21:39):
into video games.
So I would just get with friends, we would pick cameras.
We had like those tape and dvdstyle cameras uh, it's crazy
anyway and then we would just goout and make funny, you know,
fun movies, and they were bad,they were terrible.
Maybe some of them are still onyoutube, but you know what I
mean.
But we were just going outhaving fun building things, you
know, creating content, justtalking about it, watching

(22:00):
movies, you know what I mean.
That that was my way of, um, Iguess, getting into the art form
.
So I was doing it, I guessbefore it was cool, you know.
Now obviously it's cool to be afilmmaker.
Then it wasn't my parents, likeyou know my mom's like why you
got to be an engineer or adoctor.
You know something valuable andand I'm like, come on, that's
not what I want to do.
But she understood.
So anytime to college I waslike, okay, I'm going to do the

(22:22):
closest thing I could at thattime, which was journalism and
mass communication, not reallyfilm, but they had a whole
camera and photography andediting element to it.
Um, but again, I had I'd beendoing enough that I already knew
more than again what theytaught in that school yeah but
it gave me an excuse to now playmore with cameras and more with
editing, more with um stuffanyway.

(22:44):
So that's where I came from.
I just came from wanting totalk about tech.
Funny enough, that will nowlook back.
I could have just done thatwhen YouTube came out.
I could have just become a techYouTuber.
But obviously you know how muchI was into YouTube and film.
I just couldn't connect.
And, funny enough, I went tothat tech show.
I worked there as an internthere for a few months or

(23:05):
whatever, and then when I wentthere I was like this is not
what I want to do, because youknow, you have to be in it.
Like, here I am, I'm dreamingabout doing something all my
childhood, and now here I am, ayoung adult.
You know, I don't know, I was18 maybe.
Point is, I was there and I'mlike, uh, I'm not happy, this is
not what I want to do.
I want to be behind the camera,right?

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I'm like I want to producethese segments.
I want to because you know,initially I was like, oh, I'm
going to be a host on the showplaying with tech, and then you
quickly realize the hosts arejust reading a script, right?
yeah, they're not the oneswriting and playing with the
tech or whatever anyway.
So I was like, oh, I want to bebehind the scenes and, long
story short, I had disneyopportunity here.
I came, opened um, freelance onthe side, and rest is history,

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if that makes sense.
So I've all.
So that's kind of what broughtme into filmmaking, but I'm kind
of self-taught.
I did go to school, but I don'tI don't want to give them any
credit.
I knew more about editing andcameras.
Plus, they were teaching itfrom a news perspective.
So you know, um, so it's funny,but funny, well, take that back
, because we didn't have YouTubethings.
Then the only thing I rememberlearning from a whole degree

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that I didn't know was NDfilters.
So those cameras, you knowbroadcast cameras, they had
built-in NDs.
You know like some cinemacameras nowadays.
So I would ask my professorslike why?
Do I use ND and I couldunderstand.
You know again, you don'tunderstand shallow depth of
we've just been as friendsmaking movies.
So I am not like a filmmaker andthere's no YouTube, there's no

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tutorial.
Well, there is YouTube, butthere's no tutorials about
filmmaking or anything.
Point I'm trying to make is youhave to learn all yourself.
So I'm going like, okay, now Iknow how to make movies, I know
how to operate cameras, I knowhow to tell a story.
Why do I use an nd filter?
So I still remember myprofessor chat.
And then you know they're usingthe, the lingo of, not what I
would teach now, anyone had nd,but anyway, that's the only

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thing I learned at school waswhy to use nd, to get the
shallow depth of field.
And then, once he taught me, Iwas like but why would you do
that in news?
You know, so my brain could,because you know news.
It's yeah, you don't really arecreative right, so anyway but
now that I know, but that's theonly thing I think out of three,
four years of college.
I was nd filter, but obviouslyit was a good opportunity.
It was, you know.
Obviously I had to go tocollege, india, you know.

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It's not an opportunity like.
They don't give you an optionnot to go to college.
So I'm glad I didn't just sitaround learning engineering or
something that I just wasn'tgoing to be interested in and
again, I'm so glad the journeyI've been on, that I was, that
I'm here.
Obviously, I could have taken alot of different paths.
I could have been a newsreaderyou know journalism background.
I could have been on that techshow.

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I could have started thiscompany a lot earlier.
Because, you know, that's theother part of me is like why
didn't I go from freelance tofull-time all in?
Because I did that 2018, rightand um.
But now that I look back, I'mlike no, I needed to.
I needed to be on this journeybecause because I wouldn't have
known all that, which is why alot of people get amazed when
I'm like no, I started this daythree, we had 30 to 50k of sales

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and most people go whoa.
But I'm like but remember, Istruggled for years as a
freelancer, so I kind of knewwhat not to do.
Yeah, but you, if I had notknown that and I started my
company, let's say 2013 orwhatever, or 2012 I wouldn't
have known anything like what tocharge, like how to do run
business, then I would havestill struggled and who knows

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what the story could have been.

Anyway, I hope that answers the question.
Yeah, no, it definitely does.
I got a follow-up question withthat, like if you could change
you know your path, like whatwould you have done differently
man?

I don't think there's anything I could have
done Because, like I said, Itried to do what is right, which
is what I'm telling on thispodcast.
People just reach out to people.
Where you want to be right, Itry to do that.
I found all the people aroundme at the time and I try to
reach out Because you knowhere's what you need to know,
right?
Because at that time, remember,youtube exists.
There's ways to learn.

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If you don't have the skill setI thought I was already there
most of the way to be able totell a story, but if you don't,
you can learn.
What you're lacking is thebusiness skills what to charge,
what the deliverables are, howto execute the whole business
side of things, which is farmore essential than your craft.

Absolutely.

And there was no one, no one willing to help.
There was a lot of gatekeepingand by the time I found people
who were willing to share, itwas years down the road and then
I was like, oh, I'm alreadydoing that, I just had to
stumble my way through that.
So, obviously, ideally, like Isaid, if I could go in the past,
I'd like to know, have thatknowledge up front.

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But, like I said, there was noone, at least around me.
It's not like I didn't do theright thing, which was reach out
, ask to have a cup of coffeeand just share what we've done
and other people have done.
It's just to talk.
And then sometimes you learn oryou're like oh, you're telling
me, I've got to have acontractor, you're telling me,
I've got to have contractors,I've got to go buy this
equipment, or don't buy thisequipment, or whatever.

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Whatever the case may be, it'sto me again, business knowledge
is the number one thing incorporate and commercial video
that most people don't haveCause.
Now I know how to like.
I could tomorrow start fromscratch and make six figure
business right.

In video.

It's not that hard , it's actually very easy.
Right Cause it's as long as youhave the craft, obviously, and
Right Because it's as long asyou have the craft, obviously.
And if you don't have the craft, just hire other people.
You don't even need to know howto make a video, as long as you
go tell the client right, oh,I'm going to solve this problem
for you, and then you hire theperson.
Who can you still made?

money yeah.

You know I'm happy to be hired, please, you know,
not that.
That's the point.

I'm this podcast to hire me.
But I'm saying you can hire me,I will gladly come make it.
You can put your pricing on topof that and make that
definitely.
Yeah, anyway, I remember thatthere was a time that I had come
across someone that, um, Iguess they were trying to I
forget what event there was someevent going on and they needed,
you know, some live streaming.
And, uh, I remember I hadreached out to you because I was
like hey, listen, I listen.
I don't do live streaming, butI know you do.

Yeah.

You know, and you were like, oh well, how
about you?
You know, you quote the priceand then you have me on and make
the difference.
Yeah, exactly, it's up to youwhat you can sell it for,
exactly.

Now, obviously you don't have to, because I get it
Like you said, it's OK.
Who are just like I don't wantanything to do with this,
because most of the effort issales.
So they're like no, no, justtake the lead, which is fine,
but I'm saying ideally, that isone way to be a successful
business owner.
And funny enough.
That's the better way to makemoney, because you have zero
investment.
You just go find the clientsyou help solve their problems

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and you find other people whocan solve that problem.
And, to be real, I work withdifferent crews all the time
because, uh, I don't know if I'mworking on a commercial set,
I'm going to bring more of myfriends or people I know that
that are on commercial sets andthen, or if I'm doing a
corporate set, then I'll bringpeople who I know can do great
on the corporate set.
The point I'm trying to make isit's it's good to have a variety
of people in your network, butat the end of the day, it's also

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important to leverage them.
Um, because the wrong way to dothis would be to go oh, I can
charge you five grand to make avideo.
Then either don't hire anyone,or hire somebody at, you know,
free, or 50 bucks, or 100 bucks,or not, uh, for the shoot.
And then they obviously aregreen, they're not there yet,
which would be fine if the videois free.
But now you charge a clientfive grand and they're not

(30:19):
getting their roi and they'renot happy about it.
You've just made a badexperience, right?
So there's a wrong way to dothis too, but that right way.
I'm just saying it's easy tomake money.
You don't even know how to needto know how to do video and I
think, as artists and to be real, I'm a camera person first,
business person after.
I love making films like I saidthat's how I started yeah so you

(30:40):
know that hurts to say that,but that's truth.
Like that, my value as afilmmaker is less than my value
as a business owner.
I hope that makes sense.
And it hurts and it may be ahard pill to swallow for some.
The thing is, if you know, if,let's say you reach out to me,
let's make a hypothetical You'relike, well, I got this client
live streaming client, I wantyou to come do it.
And I'm like, oh, I'm busy or Ican't do it, guess what.

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You can go in our group orother places and be like, okay,
I'm looking for someone to helpme with this and you can find
other technicians and othercompanies to help you with,
because they'll happily do it,because that's what they want to
do.
Right, versus?
Now it's the opposite.
Now you're like you have a$20,000 deal that you need to
close.
Can you go in and have someoneclose it for you?
No, Especially if they're goodenough to be able to close it,

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why are they going to do it foryou?
Right, that skillset is far morevaluable than the, the
technical skillset, and we tendto hyper or over exaggerate our
you know our talents that way,like the importance of our
filmmaking talents.
Now, that doesn't mean don'twork on your craft.
Obviously, you got to be ableto make good videos and know at

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least what good videos are.
Because even if you're hiringother people, you have to know
how to be able to vet them Right.
So, anyway, what I'm trying tosay is business skills come
above filmmaking skills, andskills in corporate and
commercial video At least that'show I see it and it'll be very
hard to, I think, find successif you're weighing filmmaking
over business, at least in thefield that we're talking about.

Definitely.
Yeah, yeah, I agree with thatwholeheartedly.
Does that answer this what youkind of think?

No, definitely, and my whole thing is why I
stumbled through.
Like I said, I had to find thismyself.
It was just me, because all thepeople I was bringing were
either helping with audio orlighting or editing or whatever
right.
I did build a crew immediatelyas soon as we were a production
company.
It wasn't me, it was us, right.
But at the same time I was thebusiness guy right.

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I was the only one makingexecutive decisions and I didn't
have anyone to help me.
I didn't have anyone to lean on, I didn't have a mentor.
I couldn't just go, hey, whatshould I do now?
And now, if I can save some oreven help?
I'm not saying just listen tome, listen to the people that
I'm bringing on this podcast,but if you can just go do it
like I've had people on here whohave literally laid out exactly

(32:57):
what to do, you know to findsuccess then why wouldn't you do
it At that?
Find success then why wouldn'tyou do it at that point?
It's no longer, oh, it can't bedone.
It's more like you want to doit or not, and it's okay if you
don't.
There's enough ways to makemoney in this.
You could just be a good dp andyou know, uh, you don't have to
be a production companyobviously so there's ways to
make money but there is aceiling in those because you

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know it's day rate times 365.25.
Right is here, and that's ifyou work every single day and
that's hard to do anyway.

Yeah.

So obviously you have to pick.
You know what you want.
To be Definitely Awesome.
That's awesome man.

No, I appreciate you.
You know your insights on that.

Yeah, you know, I try, I try, I don't know.
I don't know everything, man,Like you said, this is an ever
evolving, ever growing industry.
I'm learning every day andthat's why people here I'm not
learning.
That's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to catch what doronlearned in the last two years,
which brings me to what I wantto talk about.
Yeah, you're the only guy Iknow who got high paying gigs
from upwork, so obviously I'veknown for about upwork for a
long time.

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You know, keep up with all theplatforms out there.
However, upwork for me hasalways been fine, cheap,
international.
You know, keep up with all theplatforms out there, however,
upwork for me has always beenfine, cheap, international.
You know, uh, again, not nooffense to upward people, but
that's just what upwork has beenused for finding low-cost,
international uh people and yousomehow are closing decent
paying gigs from upwork.

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So how did that happen?
How did that work?

because that's an avenue somebody else may want
to explore yeah, well, let mefirst by saying start first by
saying that, like it's allrelative, of course, Right, you
know what someone might think.
As you know, a good paying job,it might be different for
someone else.

And.

I think honestly , especially if you're, you know
, in my shoes, someone that's,you know, really just trying to
find consistent work, I mean,take, take anything that comes
your way or anything that youfeel like you would, you know,
uh, be a good addition to.
And so, yeah, I, I, um, I waslooking for other ways to, uh,

(35:00):
you know, have more jobs right,uh, in video, uh, with the time
that I had, and I felt likeUpwork was a was a good um way
to try that out.
So, yeah, I, how Upwork worksis they?
They give you these thingscalled connects.
They're kind of like tokens andyou obviously have to pay money

(35:22):
to purchase more connects andthese connects are what allow
you to apply for different jobs.
So I bought a handful ofconnects and I started to apply
different jobs in the local area, so in Orlando, florida, and,
yeah, I landed a couple ofclients on there.

And what?

was the range, uh, in terms of like price.

Yeah, um, well, the first.
That's what we were all about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah well, the first, uh, the one of
the clients that I had, it was,I think it was like a in total
uh, plus travel, it was probablylike a four-hour shoot, uh, and
it was it paid like a thousanddollars dude, you're just saying
it paid just four four-hourshoot including travel.
Thousand bucks that's prettygood yeah, yeah, and it was um,

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it was over here in.
Uh, I think it was jacksonvilleuh, and it was, it was an
interview again, um, and, ofcourse, a little bit of b-roll,
but um, I didn't have to editthe footage.
All I had to do was, you know,I shot the footage and delivered
it to the client the same day.
So it was definitely, in myeyes, it was a successful shoot

(36:35):
and very, very easy.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's our bread and butter.
So I would have done it when Istarted.
I mean $1,000 for interview andb-roll and, like you said, even
travel, which is crazy,considering, you know,
jacksonville isn't that close Imean it's not far either but so
you went to jacksonville, youshot an interview, came home,
made a thousand bucks yeah, inless than four hours not bad.

Yeah, and that's uh, yeah, that's cake I mean, I
love that you know, and it's,it's did you have anything else
like that?

Anything else.

I think the other gig that I got from there
and I'm still keeping in contactwith them as well they're kind
of a repeat client hopefully,but it was like an apartment
walkthrough and I guess that'skind of their model is that they
need footage for differentapartment complexes that hire

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them out, and so they hirepeople like us to come in there,
shoot some footage of differentfloor plans, and then there
might be somebody there at theapartment complex that
introduces the place, and soyou're pretty much just tracking
them the entire day.

Um, but yeah, uh, I want to.
I'm curious about that one,cause you typically I find real
estate has lower budget.
So let's see, that would be.
I would call it real estate.
So what was the budget on thatit did?

I think.
I think from there.
I can't remember the exactprice, but it was somewhere
around like five to 600.
Um so definitely, definitelylower budget.
But the reason I did it wasbecause I I felt like I was, you
know, building a goodrelationship with the client and
if it means you know having agood relationship with the
client, like I'm gonna keep themyeah, but even 600 bucks for

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what?

half a day or day is not bad I mean yeah, it was
gimbal lopping most time, rightyeah?

yeah, definitely .
I think for the initial gig Iprobably spent a little bit more
time just because I hadn'tworked with them before.
It was something new for me, um, and I I wanted to do a good
job because I knew they hadseveral other opportunities to
film, you know, future, futuregigs and there's potential, you
know, for charging them more, uh, for doing if they know, no,

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absolutely.

That's great, that's awesome, uh, so here's
what I want to know next.
So that's what I find a lot ofpeople who are new or not full
time yet that struggle with is,uh, the the technical aspects of
like, how do you uh docontracts, if you even do it,
and then how do you chargepayment?
What payment format did you use?
All that Like do you?
What do you charge payment?
What payment format did you use?
All that like do you do?
What do you typically do?

because you probably don't have all the
systems in place, right rightnow?

no, obviously so.
So how did you do that?
Did you send them a contract ordidn't even bother about it?

you know what I, I probably, I probably should
have.

Honestly, no, that's okay.
I mean obviously, but it's okay.

A lot of people don't when they're part-time but
, but yeah, I I think what did Ido for the first client that I
talked about, the one inTallahassee, I feel?
I asked them for a 50% depositbefore I even started the gig,
so I already had some of themoney there and then they paid

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me literally immediately after Iwas done.
Once I messaged them and letthem know that.

What payment method?

I think they had like a private server that they
used.
It was something like Zelle orVenmo, but it was a private
server that they used.

I can't remember exactly off the top of my head
what it was.
So you didn't have to set upany payment platform um and uh,
yeah, very simple.

I, the other client that I worked with I
think they paid me again, it was, I think that one was
specifically through zelle- thatthey paid me uh for now I know
there are, you know, better waysof going about that.
Um, and there's definitely, youknow you, you kind of have to
cover your butt in certainsituations.

But no, and that's okay.
That's why I was curious to askthe people know, like you know,
how somebody you know who's notfull-time is doing it.
Obviously, my suggestion wouldbe to set up your processes but
again if you're new or you'renot doing this full-time, you
know you, maybe you don't andyou don't have time for it, so
that's okay and uh, anythingelse that came out of it, or
that was it for now that's itfor now.

I actually uh, it's funny that we're talking
about it now.
I've actually had somecommunications with them and, um
, hopefully, uh, we'll see youknow, um, but hopefully you know
we can set something up thismonth with them.
Look at that you're findingrepeat clients.
Yeah, trying to From Upwork ofall places, yeah, so.

See.
So I'm saying opportunitiesjust out everywhere, cause I
wouldn't think you would be ableto get $600,000.
Like I said, those that'spretty decent money.
And especially, like I said,especially, there's no editing
or any of that and um, andyou're, you're, you've been able

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to find these opportunities, sothey exist everywhere.
People just have to go, look,you know, and then, and there's
no sales, even technically, inthese, because they're already
looking for it.
You don't have to do any of thetraditional stuff, you don't
have to run ads, you don't haveto do that obvious.
Obviously you have to be able toshowcase that you can do it,
which, um, I want to know.
So what did you do?
Like the first one, especiallythe interview did they ask you
for any examples or anything?
How did you like, did you haveto do anything to get in their

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confidence?

yeah, yeah.
So pretty much when, when youapply for a specific job on
upwork, there's a section therewhere you can pretty much sell
yourself you can talk aboutyourself, right, and what you
and what you're, what you'reexpert in.
Uh, so what I did is I I kindof have a template, uh, written
up in my notes that you knowkind of outlines the same thing,

(42:13):
like a little bit about my gearyou know what I?
typically shoot with Um, andthen, um, I put a link to my
website, a link to my Instagram,uh, cause that's where some of
my work is um that I've shotpreviously and uh yeah.
And then I put my um, my rate,there as well.
Uh, if it's within their budget, and uh, yeah, I think the the

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first client, the one inTallahassee, uh, he, yeah, he
clicked on my website.
I have a demo reel thatdefinitely needs to be updated
now, um, but he saw it and hewas like, oh, that's perfect
okay, and I was like that'sgreat.
So I was like, wow, so demoreels actually do work, you know
, and it's not the best reel outthere, but the fact that he saw

(42:57):
the reel, he saw what I wasable to do and he was made the
decision to go with me that'samazing.

Well, I'm glad you know that worked out for you
and that you put the effort toput the website and the demo
reel and all that together.
Yeah, yeah.
But I think it's just thoughtabout putting yourself out there
, right?
Because, like I said, I've beendoing this a decent amount of
time.
I wouldn't have thought aboutgoing to upwork for finding
video business, but look, youdid.
You thought something and, tobe real, I've had many people.

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I don't think a single one ofus went to Upwork, which is what
made you think different.
Right and go do that.
Any other platforms you'vetried that didn't work.

Or no, that was just the one.
Honestly, that's kind of beenthe main one that I've used.
I know there's plenty of otherones out there.
There's Production Hub.
I know several creators usethat's kind of a popular one.

Yeah, that's a popular one.

I just haven't touched on that yet.
And then I know there's onecalled Staff Me Up and it's kind
of the same formula.

Yeah.

But I just really haven't dove into those
different avenues, but Upwork itseems to be.

You know, it's very user-friendly, I mean it's
good and, like you said, it'snot like you're only just trying
that.
You've set up your website,you've set up your reel, you
have your instagram, so so itdoesn't hurt to go try some of
these platforms and see if itworks, because it clearly can
work.
You know, obviously we know,production hub works.
It just has more, morecompetition.

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So I would say, if you'restarting out, why not go to
these websites where there'sless people on there, less
production companies, because,like I said, I don't, I don't
think I'm there, so you may beable to find these opportunities
.
And I think, when you'restarting out, being able to get
an interview, b-roll some ofthese for a thousand bucks, six
hundred bucks, that's notactually bad at all, that's a
very good day rate, and then youcan build connections, maybe,

(44:44):
maybe do repeat business Right.

Yeah, and I think I think that's the key
there.
I think it's, you know, startingout it's definitely not
sustainable by any means, butit's definitely, you know, if,
if you're looking to, you know,experience new things, cause
there are several differenttypes of uh, genres of jobs out
there that you can select from,um, which is kind of cool.
So if there's something thatyou find interest in, I mean,

(45:06):
you can apply anyway and seewhere it takes you.
But if you're really justtrying to get, you know, get the
jobs lined up, you can buythose connects and just
literally apply to any job thatyou want while you're.
While you're on there.

That's pretty cool , and you also have a kind of
thing that you're interested in.
Right, I think you wanted to domore fitness content, isn't
that true?

yeah, are you?

still leaning towards that, or yeah?

I mean um I I'm physically active, like I you
know what are you trying to do?

I'm, I'm at the gym, you know?
Like five times a week.

Uh, you know, I try to be, and it's just
something that I feel likethat's what you have to do,
right, like if there's, ifthere's an interest that you
have, you know, try, try to makea video out of it.
And uh, you know it's um, Ihaven't made.
I think I've.
I've had one client in the pastwhere they had a.
They had a gym, uh, it was likea one-on-one gym, um, and I did

(46:02):
a couple of videos with themand it was kind of cool, uh, to
be able to do that.
I would like to do more of that, um, but I would also like to
do a lot, a lot of other thingsas well.
Um, but I wouldn't say that's myniche right now.
Um, but it's definitelysomething I I really do have fun
with, so awesome.

So so, where do you, um, uh, where do you see
going next, like is thereanything, any gear?
That well, actually, no, let'sstep back.
I know you mentioned your gearlist.
What, what do you?
What gear are you using rightnow?

Um.
So right now I have the, the FXsix um that I use primarily.
Um.
I still have the.
So I upgraded from a seventhree Sony a seven three um,
which is kind of a dinosaur now,but I I still use it for
certain projects.
It's still able to, you know,get some good images.
Um.

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And then I have a?
Um.
I just bought some Amaron.
Uh, what is it?
The 60 S, those?

small lights.

Um, I love them and I just shot a wedding a few
weeks ago and, uh, it was myfirst time using those lights I
mean, they sound good.

Yeah, they probably be very good for
writing.

Oh man, what a game changer, so so fast to
throw up, uh, and it justchanges the way your video looks
I mean it's just amazing, um,but yeah, uh, and then I have,
uh I mean the FX6, you're ableto run audio straight from the.
Fx6.
So I typically just use my.
I think it's like a Rode EnchiT3, whatever, and it sounds

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great.
It's good.
Yeah, I just have theessentials.

Nothing crazy.
Your typical kit as avideographer, dp.
So you have a FX6, ntg3s, yourprimarily primary audio.
Uh, sounds like some amaranlights now.

That's pretty good, yeah and then I have a
aperture.
I think it's the 300x.
Okay, it's like bi-color, um,and that would that's like my
primary key that's a pretty goodum and it's.
It's small enough, you know,it's nimble enough to be able to
work with.

And um, I have one of those.
I love those, so that's prettygood, yeah.

So that's kind of my, my main, my main setup
right now.
So I I definitely, uh, you know, for for a couple of these
weddings that I've done in thepast, I've I've used the FX
three in conjunction with the FXsix and I gotta say I love the
FX3.
It is so quick, uh, you couldthrow it on a gimbal and it it
produces pretty close to thesame image as the FX6 now.

Currently, my favorite gimbal camera is the
FX3.
We have two of two of those and, man, they work all the time
especially events.

I mean, you've used one, they're awesome so
with me at least.

And um, you throw them on.
Like I said, two gimbals Giveto two operators, you can cover
most events, and that's what Ilove about them.
At the end of the day, again,they're money makers, right?
They make a good amount ofmoney because they can be used.
They're very versatile.
Now I wouldn't use them forinterviews.
Again, you can, although youcouldn't.

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It's just again fx6, I think,fit better in that uh formula or
in that format, but that'spretty cool.
Any new gear that you plan onacquiring?

or you need to, or yeah.
Well, like I said, I don'tactually own the fx3 right now
um typically for those gigs, Ieither I reach out to a buddy of
mine that you know he's morethan willing to just let me use
it, and then I I rent it as well.
Um, but I in the foreseeablefuture, definitely the fx3, and
I feel like that's pretty goodkit though fx6 a cam, fx3 b cam,

(49:38):
I think that's uh, that's avery good yeah yeah, I think
it's the perfect match and,honestly, I feel like with that
camera, you know, I feel likethe ease of shooting would would
definitely be in my hands withwith the FX3.
That's awesome.

So so it sounds like you've been shooting decent
amount of weddings too.
Now, how do you compare that tocorporate work?
Cause I like, so I don't shootweddings.
Um, so how would you comparethat to corporate and commercial
work versus you know, weddings?
Yeah.

I think, um, I think, with weddings, weddings,
it's, it's nice that you alreadyknow what to expect.
Typically, every wedding is thesame.
I mean, uh, you know, it'smaybe not the indian one, have
you?

have you done an indian wedding, if there's
anybody that needs one?

let me know.
But, uh, but yeah, definitely,it's typically carved out to be
the same the same day.
Um, if it is, uh, just a normalwedding, it's typically 10 to
you know, max 10 hours, um, anduh, you're definitely running
the entire time if you'reshooting it yourself, uh, which

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which I I did in this lastwedding and it it honestly it
was one of the best weddingsthat I've shot, in my personal
opinion.
Um, but yeah, it's definitelyfast pace.
Uh, you gotta be on your toes,um, and you gotta, you gotta put
, you know, put your best footforward and make sure that

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you're, you know, you keep upwith the schedule, because if
you're not ahead of the schedule, then you're going to lose out
on some important shots, and Ifeel like that's in any you know
type of gig that you do.

You just got to be on your Especially something
like a vetting, where you can'tgo back and recreate it.
You know you have to which iswhy, you know, I'm like I can't
imagine the pressure.
Obviously not that other fieldtype.
You know, corporate stuffdoesn't have pressure.
But you know, at least we canmaybe try again.
Right, with weddings there's no, you know, try again.
And so which one do you prefer?

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Do you have any?
Have you picked any preferenceor no?

I mean, you know , honestly, I want to shoot more
weddings this year and Seemslike you're enjoying it.
Yeah, I mean, it's like I said,I feel like going into a
wedding, you kind of alreadyknow what to expect, which I
like, because you know, yeah,there definitely are surprises

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on wedding days, and for anyvideographer out there that
shoots weddings, they know whatthat's like, um, but I like the
fact that, um, the pay is nice.

Yeah, right, so are you doing this as a second
shooter or someone, or are youactually doing the wedding?

I've done.
I've done some second shootingbefore.

But um so you're prime, you're taking the wedding
gig.
But um so you're prime, you'retaking the vetting.
Yeah, the vetting, you cancharge a lot, you know.
I mean, I find that there's norules like corporate stuff.
Uh, you can.
I've seen crazy numbers, crazynumbers yeah what range are you
in right now?
What are you range you'retrying to?

uh or hit, I guess yeah, this this year, I
kind of want to aim uh, I don'tknow anywhere between the 5 to 7
range, that's pretty good.
I know there are plenty ofother ranges out there which are
astronomical and that's great,but for me, right where I'm at

(53:05):
right now, I feel like the 5 to7K range uh kind of a good range
for me right now no, that'spretty good and and the costs
are low on a wedding.

That's what I like .
So you all you have to bring iswhat a second shooter and
that's about it.
And maybe editing that's yourcost, and if you edit yourself,
maybe you can even say yeah yeah, I mean, honestly, I know some
people out there, um, that aredoing weddings by themselves.

yeah, and that's what kind of inspired me to do
this last wedding by myself andhonestly, I was like why haven't
I done this sooner?
Like because in previousweddings that have been my gigs,
I've brought some secondshooters out there, which
obviously I'm more than willingto, you know, give a job out to
somebody you know, if it'sneeded right.

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But I realized in that tosomebody you know if it's needed
Right, but I realized in thatshoot that you know I really
don't need a second person to behere with me.
You know, I can maximize myreturn um and shoot this myself.

Do you think there's enough?
Uh, you can get enough coverage, just yourself, that you don't
need a second shooter.

Yeah, yeah, I definitely think you know you're
definitely working a lot harderbecause it's just you and
you're having to, you know, runto different areas to get the
right shots that you need.
And that's what I, that's whatI mean by you know what to
expect when going into a wedding, because you kind of already
know in your head, as long asyou know the, the outline of the
wedding, um, you kind ofalready know what shots you need

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to get.

Yeah.

Right, so it's already cut out for you, um,
unless if the you know, if thecouple wants something specific,
right, um, but that's what'skind of nice, and I feel like
there's.
There's a lot of weddingvideographers here in the
orlando area that are justcrushing it because, no, I mean,
this is a huge market.

A lot of people even, uh, travel here right for
for wedding.
Destination wedding is a thingand a lot of people like to come
here.
So, yeah, that's, this is ahuge market to be in.

Do you?

see Orlando as a long-term home.
Do you want to like?

stay here?
Yeah, probably, especially withyou.
Know everything with nursing.

Cause I remember you mentioned earlier, you know,
being in California for alittle bit.
How was that compared to outhere?

Yeah, yeah, I was out there for a little over
a year.
I wouldn't live there mepersonally.
It's too chaotic out there.

What part of California?

I was in Anaheim for a little bit.

and then I moved over to North Hollywood.
Oh my goodness, from one Disneytown to the other Disney town.

Yeah, yeah, I think it's great to build
connections out there, though no, absolutely.

I'm literally about to fly there in a couple
of days to San Diego, Right on,man so yeah, I mean there is a
lot more work, but so I mean I'malways in California.
But I also find it crazy whenyou go to stores, you know,
especially in LA, whereeverything's freaking locked up
it's like what is going on here.
Anyways, it's.

It's kind of nuts it's like a different world
.

Yeah, I can't imagine living in a place like
that.
But hey, I mean, people do,obviously, uh, but there is more
work.
Obviously there's a lot goingon there comparatively to to
orlando.
Obviously we have a.
We have a decent indie scene,uh, but that's about it you know
, and obviously tons ofcorporate and commercial and
conference work that we do, butnot that much like anything

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beyond that going on here.
Uh, but that's good, that's agood comparison.
Yeah, awesome, uh, all right, sotell me more about uh, I want
to know more about, like yourwedding filmmaking.
How have you been getting thesegigs?
How are you finding brides?

Yeah, well, honestly, uh, right now it's
been, it's been word of mouthreally Um and uh, you know, at
this last wedding I was shooting, it was for a good friend of
mine, and what's kind of nice isthat the friend group that he
has um were also my friends aswell.
Most of them aren't married yet.

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So, I mean right there you knowthat's you know they know who to
go to uh for for their weddingfilm.
And that's what's awesome aboutweddings is that you know once
you start to shoot, you know one, two, three, four, five
weddings.
You know you're bound to getmore people to reach out to you
by word of mouth Um.
another way uh that I I plan onthis year um getting more

(57:09):
wedding gigs is uh is via thephotographers, right the
photographers that you work with, because you know they have, uh
, a lot of, you know clients aswell, and what they're able to
do is they're able to bring on avideographer and charge more
you know, but again, that'sanother opportunity to shoot a
wedding.

you know what I mean.
So photo and video workingtogether at a wedding man,
that's incredible and, like yousaid, so your clients are right
there.
It's the singles at the wedding, the photographers at the
wedding, and so if you networkagain power networking you can
find more and more work.
That's awesome.
So you said you want toprimarily, at least this year,
focus on weddings.

Again, I honestly don't knowwhat my niche is yet, but I
definitely want to.
You know, I have a goal numberof around 10 to 15 weddings this
year.
That's pretty good weddings.

Hey, you're doing nursing and a job at a hospital
and 10 to 15 weddings I'm hopingso.

Definitely nothing's carved out yet but, I
feel like that's uh for the yearif I can close out on 10
winnings.
Uh for this year, I feel likethat would be a good, a good
number for me.
No, that's pretty good even onfive grand.

I mean that this is low for a wedding.
That's 50 grand right there andthat's just a side gig now
right right so that's, that's.
Hey.
Video can be a good side gig.
I mean, I'm all for, obviously.
Uh, my thing is just go dive in, but you don't have to cause.
Uh, you know, I mean, if I made50 grand on the side and had a
stable job like nursing, I mean,you know you seeming like you

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figured this out, I mean at thispoint, that's, I'm taking baby
steps, I'm taking one step at atime.

Who knows?
You know what happens.
You know a month from now youknow who knows what
opportunities you know lie aheadof me and lie ahead of you, you
know.
But you know you just I thinkthat's that's the whole point of
videography you just kind ofhave to be open to anything and
you know you're going to findstuff that you don't like You're
going to find stuff that you dolike and what do you?
You're going to find stuff thatyou do like and what you do not

(59:10):
like.
Oh man, um, that's a greatquestion, man.

Uh, you said it, I just want to know.

Yeah, you know, I don't know Sometimes.
You know, sometimes obviouslyyou're going to have the
difficult client, right.
I I kind of my my main thingthat I live by is just being a
good person.
You know and it's sad to seewhen you know you try to do all
that you can for certain clientsand, uh, they just don't see it

(59:39):
.
You know, and yeah, I makemistakes, right, we all make
mistakes but um you know I.
I try to let my clients knowthat when I do make a mistake
that you know I, I try to let myclients know that when I do
make a mistake that you know, Ido my part to make sure that I.
Um that I saw it you know, andthat I, that I make amends for
it and that I do, you know yeah,you're human, obviously.

(01:00:00):
Exactly Right, and um, yeah,it's just, it's any client story
that you can share with us.

Vipul Bindra (01:00:07):
You don't have to tell us their name or whatever.

Doron Cadiente (01:00:09):
Yeah, Um, let me think on that Um.

Hmm, difficult client.

Yeah, man, um, yeah, you know, there there was
this one client, um, that I was,uh, that I was working with and
, um, I think, for him inparticular, I, I really wanted
to shoot with him because it wasa bit, it was a bigger company

(01:00:39):
and I was like you know what,for this first shoot, I'll do
for free, right?
I'll just, you know, andsometimes you know, sometimes
that's not the best thing to do.
And sometimes that's the perfectthing to do and yeah, you know,
I did a shoot for free.
It was a great shoot, loved thevideo, and then we sat down and
we started talking about youknow what he wanted.

(01:01:02):
You know, in the coming monthsand I think this is something
else that you know one of mygoals this year is to really
focus on pre pre-production.

Yeah.

Because the more you solve in pre-production,
the less hassle you have to dealwith later, because you have
everything.

Plus you make better content because you have
already figured it out Exactly.

Exactly, and you and you kind of you know, go
over all the hurdles that comewith, not with no pre-production
, right, and so, yeah, we werekind of going over that and, um,
I showed up again, you know,did, did some more shoots, but
uh, you know, and and this iswhere I messed up, because I did

(01:01:42):
another free shoot for him oh,so you kept doing free shoots
right and um you know, because Ifelt like okay, well, these are
.
These are pretty simple shoots Imean it's, I mean really,
really simple.
I mean they were short, youknow 20 second reels whatever.
Um, and you know, we had another, I think we had something else
lined up where I was.
You know, I had a you knowquote lined up for it.

(01:02:04):
Um, but you know, I, I, Iproduce these, these videos, and
I produce them pretty quick,yeah, and uh, man, I sent the
videos and I got like thelongest text which just hey,
well, this, this isn't how Ilike it.
You know this, this I don'tlike it like this.
Why is it like this?
And what's interesting is thatI made it based off of their

(01:02:28):
previous content that they'vealready been producing, because
you know I didn't want to takeanything away from their vision.

Yeah, exactly.

And I was like you know, and of course I
handled it professionally andyou know I responded with well,
hey, the reason why this is likethis is because of this, you
know.
But yeah, it was just, it wasvery.
There was a lot of critique,almost a little bit too much.

Especially for free.
I mean, I get it if they'repaying you.
Yeah, but but.

Yeah, and, and it I mean it was down to the T
of like well, hey, this, thisjust abruptly cuts to the next
shot and I'm like well, in yourin your content, it cuts
abruptly to the next shot aswell, so I mean it's just, and I
mean I, the guys, this guy's,cool guy, he's very successful,

(01:03:16):
and you know I I mean no, noharm in what I say but um, yeah,
it's just stuff like that andyeah, and that's why it's
important to to mesh with theclients, because, let's be real,
uh, not, I'm not saying youknow, any client is just bad,
that nobody will fit with them.

But not everyone is your client, right, my
clients are.
You know, my clients for areason, and then your cleave may
find clients that you like towork with.
They're your clients.
There's enough clients to goaround for everyone.
And the truth is becausedifferent business owners are
different and they havedifferent visions and they have,
and so you just have to findsomebody who you align with
right, and sometimes, uh, youjust end up with the client that

(01:03:54):
you know your visions justdon't align and that doesn't
mean you did a bad job or youknow they did a bad job, it's
just they're you're just not theright fit, exactly, which is
why I'm all for about qualifyingclients.
So one of the things which canbe hard sometimes, I always like
to be like do you have anything?
You can send me any video,because you know they're
reaching out.
We want to make a video, orwhatever.

(01:04:14):
I'm like is there anything Ican see of what you want to make
?
You know it doesn't have to beyours.
Go to google or youtube orwhatever you know, find me a
video and sometimes they'll haveit.
They're like oh yeah,absolutely, this is what my
inspiration is.
Or, um, like, I had clientrecently they wanted to make a
reel right to get more work andthen I looked at it and I was
like well, you know, this reel'sreal great, we can make this.

(01:04:35):
But for this we would have tofollow you for months, get
enough content, because you know, what you have sent me is cell
phone footage.
Can we edit it?
Can we make it look good?
Can we tell a story?
Absolutely, because you knowcan.
We can build story frommultiple cell phone videos.
But is it going to now start?

(01:04:56):
looking automatically like itwas filmed by me or are you or
anyone professional?
No, it's cell phone footageright at the end there.
Maybe we can mask it withphotos or something on top of it
or some graphics.
Right, there's ways to waysaround it.
But we cannot make it look likethe example.
But if I would have never knownthat, had I not asked for the
example Because I had justgotten the footage hey, make it
real from this.
And I was like, okay, we canabsolutely do that.
So I think sometimes it'simportant.

(01:05:17):
And then you start to talk andthen you find out, oh, and
they're like oh, we have thisbigger contract we can give you,
where you can capture the otherside of it.
So it's like A is just makingthem understand, but the other
side of it was like hey, there'sthis bigger contract coming up
where you we can give you frommy company or whatever, where
then you can come record me, youknow all these times anyway,

(01:05:38):
and then saves me cost fromhaving to pay you to film me or
we don't have to make this lowquality content now I hope that
makes sense so.
But that conversation wouldn'thave happened had I just said
yes to what they wanted to doright, exactly so it became from
a simple editing job to likesetting the expectations to, oh,
this could be worth a lot ofmoney because this could be a

(01:06:00):
huge contract.
Uh, would have never knownuntil I brought up like, look,
this is what you want and thefootage you're sending me
doesn't match, and that, and youknow that's the type of
conversations you have to have.
But once you set realisticexpectations, uh, I'd rather do
it now than later because, um,like you said, if the um you
make content and then they go,ah, I don't like it.

(01:06:22):
Now what?
exactly especially if free.
They should just be grateful,um, and then again we can talk
more about free work.
I would love to, but what I'msaying is but if it's paid,
that's a different thing.
Right, then you better be oh, ofcourse on the same page, and
I'm not saying it's you, theyhave to be on the same page.
They should pick person makingtheir content that you know is
aligned with their vision.

(01:06:42):
I guess, right, um, so anyway,coming to free work, obviously
I'm my views on that are verypolarizing, and one day I'm like
, yeah, if you don't have theskill set, you have to work for
free, you have to get thoseskills because that's very
important, to be able to makegood content.
But on the other side it can beexploitive.
You go and make so many reelsand they're like, oh, do all

(01:07:04):
these revisions.
And you're like dude, I'm doingthis for free.

So where do you stand and what's your views on
free working for free?
Well, so, yeah, I I think yougot to be very careful with who
you decide to work for free.
You know when you, when youdecide to work for free, um, but
, like I said, uh, at thebeginning, I this is a client
that I I saw would be a coolclient to add to my portfolio.
Um and uh, which let me addthis that client found me via
Upwork, um, so this was a thiswas an application.

(01:07:45):
Yeah, that I sent out.
You know, several months ago,um yeah that I sent out, you
know several months ago.
At the time, yeah, and Irandomly got, I got a message on
my phone right Like, hey, youknow, we have this project, we
want you to be a part of theblah, blah, blah.
And you know I responded and Isaw what they were about and I
was like, man, I want to be apart of that, like I want to be

(01:08:08):
there.
So, you know, just being, youknow I hadn't met them before.
You know, I had a phone call, abrief phone call, with them,
but I wanted to see them inperson.
I I prefer, you know,face-to-face interactions and
and so, yeah, I was like youknow what, I'll just come by
your shop and, uh, you know,we'll talk and if you want, I

(01:08:32):
can shoot like a quick 30 secondpromo for you guys while I'm
there.
Um, something super simple.
Uh, obviously I try to keep mytime within like like an hour,
so I'm not, you know, cuttinginto, you know, any of my my own
time.
Yeah, you're already busy, yeahexactly so, yeah, I went there
and, you know, shot himsomething quick and had fun with
it and you know, yeah, I mayhave not, I may have not gotten

(01:08:55):
paid for it, but I still havesomething that I could add to my
reel yeah right, so andsomething you wanted to make
because exactly you wereimmediately like I want to be
part of this.
I want to make this contentexactly exactly and, and who
knows, you know in the future,if, if that you know free work
that you did may find anotherclient that really likes it you
know, and wants love to comemeet you and I can make you a

(01:09:17):
quick 30-second reel within thathour that I'm there and that
dynamic is different.

They're not saying come make free stuff for us.

Yeah, that would be a different story, for sure,
yeah exactly here you are.

You're saying hey, and then that's okay because
they get something out of it forletting you do that.
But then now you get somethingout of it because now you're
learning a the skills and be aproduct that you can maybe
potentially put in your reel orshow other clients in the same
industry.
So then it's.
I think it's more of a win-winsituation, right.

Again, I don't recommend thatfor every client.
You know that you get out thereto just do a free you know a
free reel for them.
Um a free reel for them, Um,but in in certain cases
definitely like by all means,especially if, obviously, if you
can afford it like yeah,especially if you're starting
out, I think that obviously, um,like we were talking about,

(01:10:20):
obviously your sales skills aremore important than your, your,
uh, work skills.

But if you're not there where you can be providing
that service because, let's bereal, eventually the way you
succeed is by collaboration, bybringing crews or whatever other
.
Your friends are working withthem.
But in the beginning, when it'sjust you, right, and that's
where the budget is and that'sthe type of clients you're
working uh, you have to haveyour skill set somewhere where

(01:10:44):
you can at least match.
Again, it doesn't need to bethat great, but if you're
charging 500 bucks or 600 bucksor a thousand bucks, it needs to
match.
That's still a lot of money.
So, your skills, and if they'renot there yet, then that's the
best way to learn, because youcan A go, obviously, meet other
filmmakers in the area, but totest it out, go make some

(01:11:04):
contacts, find the type ofbusinesses you want to work with
and it's okay to go make themsome content, but only so you
can improve your skill set.
Obviously they get somethingfree out of it.
Um, don't waste their time, butbut don't let them take
advantage of you either.
Right, don't, don't keep goingback.
Is that what ended up happening?
You just kept keep going back,or?
yeah, so eventually I soundedlike they lured you in for the

(01:11:27):
promise of paid job.
Did you ever get paid?
Nope, nope, and that's why, youknow, unfortunately, that's why
I kind of had to, you know,kind of split ways from them um
which I mean it happens did youfix it, at least when all that
text came, or you said no well,I I provided the reasonings
behind.

You know why this was shot the way it was,
why it was edited the way it was, and um yeah, that's it, that
was it.
Okay, that was it um, you knowthat I think they prefer.
You know, they were like oh,let's hold off on this type of
content and we'll stick tosomething else.
Okay, which is great.

I was like okay, I mean, I mean, no, not hard
feelings, though, because at theend day, you were providing a
free service.
They were getting it for free,so yeah yeah, nobody lost any
roi or anything out of it soexactly and plus you learn
anyway um, yeah maybe.
Uh, to me, the the best thingthere would be just in the
future, setting up whatexpectations or whatever,
because I mean it's not likeyou're exactly you were making

(01:12:21):
the right content that you, youknow.

Maybe they just their expectations were not
correct and that, and that's whyI brought up at the beginning
like pre-production is soessential, especially with your
clients, like you know.
Get those expect expectationson the table.
Um, that way, both of you areon the same page and then moving
forward.
If there is anything outside ofthat, well, you guys can
conquer that when you get there.

Yeah plus, it doesn't even have to be
something extensive.
It's not like I get it.
If it's a commercial, whatever,you have to set mood boards or
whatever and shot list and allthat.
But if it's just a corporatevideo, just a simple, what I do
is obviously you know we don'tdo that much work We'll
obviously find the solution,find the problem, offer the
solution, offer the.
You know, once we have an offerand a price, let them sign the

(01:13:05):
proposal and make a payment.
Once they do that, I'll set uplike a pre-production call with
them and so essentially most ofpre-production is just that
right, like same thing, likefiguring out what it, what, uh,
what is the goals, examplevideos, so we can kind of
reference the quality they'relooking for, because you know
their example is, uh, not thathigh quality.

(01:13:25):
Then you know, okay, I know thequality they're going for.
What's the same thing like ifthey're showing you a commercial
from Coke or Pepsi or whateveryou're like.
Okay, we need to manageexpectation.
Ideally you would do thisbefore they pay.
But you see what I'm saying.
Either way, reproduction can bevery helpful in just figuring
out those details of music andbranding, brand guidelines,

(01:13:48):
logos, logo placement and, yeah,the overall.
You know, energy, uh, anyway,the look and feel, whatever
they're going for, and it's justusually a simple one hour phone
call or zoom meeting, right,just, you're just asking simple
questions, uh like hey, can yousend me a brand guideline, what
do you think about this?
And and you can usually evenfind questionnaires, like this

(01:14:09):
corporate video you know, uh, Idon't know uh, pre-production
meeting notes or whatever.
And there's so many apps outthere, man, like uh, millinode
or whatever they can use evenjust normal notes app to, to
make them take those notes down,and it can just be so easy.
A step plus.
It also makes them like youcare, obviously, right, because
you actually care.

(01:14:29):
Um, and then once you have theexpectations right and what I'll
do, like so, the biggest thingI love doing is showing them
something visually.
It's funny.
I'm the opposite.
I'm like hey, none of my talkby reels, none of my clients
care about reels andtestimonials, anything, because
they're usually warm leads.
They already want to work withme when they come to me.
But on the other side, I wantto show them video because I'm

(01:14:50):
like let me find you a videothat I made.
Hopefully I've worked withenough industries at this point
I can tap into my resources andfind them a video at that budget
and type a video.
The only difficulty when ithappens is sometimes it's like a
commercial.
Uh, for I don't know.
Let's say a product right, andtheir budget is five grand, but
the only one I have is for 30grand.

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Now it becomes hard.
I'm like look, I could show youa product commercial, but this
is not the price point you'relooking at, just so you know I
can work in the industry, butthis is a commercial that was
done at this range.
So I but I would love, I lovefor them to see something.
And then I like to get theirvision like, hey, does this look
like something you're lookingfor?
And then usually get either ayes or no.
And if you know, then now weneed to continue doing

(01:15:34):
pre-production.
But usually, as long as youknow, you listen correctly,
you'll get, and it doesn't evenhave to be yours.
I've done that sometimes.
I've had, like shoots that arenot common for me, like dance or
uh, you know, or, or um,underwater stuff that is not
common for what I do.
And then it's okay to even goand ask your colleagues.
I've gone on our chat or othernetworking groups.

(01:15:56):
I'm like, hey, you know anyonedone this type of shoot and you
know what it makes the best partof it, at least for me.
They're going to make moneybecause they don't know, I'm
going to hire them.
So I'm like show me the video,because I don't want to lie to
my clients.
I'm like, hey, here's one of mycolleagues, here's what he
we've done right.
And then if they like itobviously that's what they say
yes, then I'm going to go backto the guy who showed it was
like so now you're experiencedwith this, do you want to come

(01:16:18):
on the set and help me out?
Because I don't want to lie tomy clients, I don't want to be
like this is my work right and Idid it.
But, but, but, worst case, I'msaying even this I've gone to
YouTube and I've been like look,this is not my video, but
here's what I found on YouTube.
Is that what you like?
The point I'm trying to get tois find something close to it,
or at least the budget level.
Get that.

(01:16:39):
You know that nod ofaffirmation Like yes, because I
can't imagine going through thewhole production, especially a
reel is still easier, but I'mlike a bigger, like talking head
, like interview, b-roll, allthat.
You're putting it together andthem going ah, that's not the
look and feel we were going forthat that would that would.
That would not make me happyyeah, yeah, definitely so but.

(01:17:01):
But these are the type oflessons.
Now is the time to learn, rightnow, later so uh, and I'm glad
hopefully people who arelistening wouldn't make that
mistake.
Now they're listening to us.
Look, we've all made mistakes,one of the common ones that I've
talked about.
One of my first shoot wheresomebody was like oh, I'll give
you I don't know a few thousandbucks, whatever to go record
this band.
And I'm like what you'retelling me?
I remember they're.

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They're pretending like they'resinging for someone, but there's
no one there sometimes thiswhole band is just gonna sing
for me and I just have to makethem a reel so they can get more
gigs, right, that's.
That's the type of thing.
So I'm like, okay, perfect, yougot it and and plus, I'm
getting paid for this.
It was like four or five songsor whatever so I set up a bunch
of cameras.
Uh, you know, I recorded it.

(01:17:46):
And the next thing I know I I'mlike this is gonna be a piece
of cake.
You know multicam on final cut,because I'm editing these
myself.
Then you know I could press abunch of buttons, you know like,
you know how I don't know ifyou've done multicam on final
cut very easy you can switchbetween abc camera.
Anyway, point is, yeah, I'm soexcited about this because I'm
like I'm getting a free freakingperformance just for me.

(01:18:08):
I'm recording, I'm getting paidto do this.
You know I'm in a cool studioAnyway, so I do shoot when great
, nothing wrong, and sometimeswhen it's like going too good,
something is wrong.
So I recorded it.
And then, anyway, I came homeand then it's like nothing would
line up and I'm like you wouldthink you can.
Oh, you know people say, oh,waveforms, but some some glitch
was happening.

(01:18:28):
Point is, it wouldn't line up.
So I would lighten this way andform up.
It wouldn't line.
At the end, nightmare.
And it was five, six cameras,so it wasn't.
Oh, it was not two cameras andand there was cuts because I
also was using a gimbal, so it'snot like one take, dude, it
went from being a fun gig tofour days later, and most of it
was just that lining up the song, because then I could just cut

(01:18:50):
it through like it's a multi-cam, that's easy.
Right, it's the.
It wouldn't line up oh my and Idon't know what the glitch was.
Anyway, the point is so we'veall screwed up and literally
first thing I did after that gig, obviously I did it, I made
yeah, so what happened?
I'm curious nothing I justworked my butt off for days and
days and days and days and daysto edit that crap, which would
have been very easy because,like I said, I spent hours and

(01:19:12):
hours lining up because I wouldhave to do.
What ended up happening was Iwould just cut the clips the
long ones so some glitch washappening.
I don't, I don't know.
Obviously it was years andyears ago.
Point is, all I had to doultimately was just make sure it
lined up.
Whatever I had to do sometimesand it was by a frame, normally
I wouldn't care.
I just want you to know.
On a talking head you can getaway with the frame, but this is

(01:19:33):
music.
Like you can see when the drumis hitting, you know it's a band
thing and the sound needs tocome from that.
They're trying to get gigs here.
This isn't, anyway.
Point is so, yeah, yeah, I hadto like cut and you know, move
by frames here, frame here, andthen it would line up.
Then, if I go to another camera, I do that and once, obviously,

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I lined up the song.
Same thing, very easy go tomulti-camera, just switch.
That was that part was in thehard part.
Point is something that Ithought was going to be a few
hours ended up being days, likeyou said, maybe even a week, and
at that point that you know, Ihad, uh, told them like I would
only do like the four or fivesongs, whatever.
Initially I'd been like, oh,I'll just go above and beyond,
give them all the songs thatrecord I was like no, no, I

(01:20:16):
didn't even mention that.
I was like, nope, this is allyou get.
They were like the future, ifyou want to do more, I was like,
yeah, reach out.
But I was like please don'treach out my brain.
I'm like.
I was like, yeah, absolutely,let me know.
You know, and normally, like Isaid no, no, uh, you know what
do you call unedited content?
But I was like you know what?
I'm happy to give you thecontent.
You can edit it.
You know, I'm like I don't wantanything to do with this anyway

(01:20:37):
, but that's a disaster.
But first thing I did was,literally when this was done, I
was like on amazon or sorry, onbnh or whatever.
I was like, okay, time codedevices, never again, will I
ever film without time code?
Because that could have beenone second fix, right, uh.
But I was relying at that timeon the software and the
pluralize and all that crap thatexisted, but it didn't work on

(01:20:59):
that one anyway.
So I'm saying we've all madedisastrous things, uh, and and,
but learn from me.
The main thing is to, I think,just learn from it, right.
And then, like I said, I'venever had a syncing issues ever
again, because I always now usetime code, always because I'm
like I cannot have that happenagain, you know, and plus funny
thing is, I don't edit anymore,so I don't even know who'd

(01:21:19):
matter right but regardless, youknow, and that was the solution
and I solved it and never hadthat issue.

But you know, so I think we've all had you know
situations oh yeah, speaking ofanother one I had was, uh, I, I,
it was another wedding that Iwas shooting and, um, the client
prior he told me to shooteverything in 4k.
And you know, wedding wentgreat, got some good shots,

(01:21:46):
solid wedding right, and I thinkI was, uh, I had someone else
with me and, um, we got somegood footage.
And then I go to look at thefootage and I realized
everything was shot in 1080.
Oh man, I was, oh, it was, itwas awful and the good thing is,
ai upraises the thing nowadays,but yeah, yeah, but still, yeah

(01:22:08):
, that would not make me happy.
Yeah, so I, I, you know, I senthim the footage anyway, and um,
oh, you didn't try to uprise itno, no, I, I, yeah, I sent it
anyway I appreciate yourintegrity.
Oh, that's good man it was, itwas rough, but again.

I mean, it is what it is, yeah you know uh
learning experience you know?
And was he mad or did heunderstand?
Oh, of course, of course yeah,because it was.

It wasn't the, it wasn't the couple I was
working with.
It was someone else's uh clientand so, yeah, of course he was.
He was definitely frustrated.
Yeah, um, we still coveredeverything but um, but the fact
that I wasn't in 4k, that wasthe talk about a mistake that
now I'm remembering oh mygoodness, I can't believe.

At the time I sent you to do shoots.
I think I was going to vegas orwhatever, and I asked you to go
film something for me and Icompletely forgot.
And that's on me, because Iasked you hey, what camera do
you have?
You're like uh, because youknow, our other b-roll for uh
was fx3 or whatever.
And you were like and again,that's not what you said, but
that's what my brain wanted tohear you said I've got an a7s3
and I was like, oh, perfect,that's gonna match.

(01:23:09):
So, uh, you know.
Anyway, I said sure, doron, goget this b-roll for me, I'm
gonna be in vegas, I'm busy, andI come back and I'm like the
footage doesn't match.
And then I remember I was likeyou said a7iii not a7s3 and uh,
my brain just added the s thereand the freaking thank.
Thank goodness again, I wasn'tediting, but Julie who was

(01:23:31):
editing the footage.
She's like I can't move thiscolor Because you know it's not
10-bit.
That's the only difference.
So it's not like A7 III is bad,it's just not 10-bit, so you
can't adjust the colors thatmuch.
She's like I do white balance,the color sheet.
I'm like, oh, and then I knewit wasn't your fault, because
I'm like I remember hearing A7SIII, but he said A7 III.

(01:23:53):
But obviously we made it work.
We just had to do a lot ofmanual.
You know, I think what we endedup doing was it was just a shot
or two, so it wasn't like thatmuch, but we ended up having to
layer it and, you know, do it insections Because you know, know

(01:24:15):
it's not 10 bit, so you can'tjust manipulate the whole image.
And same thing.
I'm like always want 10 bit,but I didn't know a7iii didn't
do 10 bit.
I didn't even know it was a7iii.
Like I said, I was so busy.
I'm like I'm going to vegas.
Hey, can you do this?
All right, perfect, go, comeback.
I'm like I took your footage,gave it to the editor.
I'm like all right, I'm done,I'm done.
And then they're like why, whywould this footage change colors
on us?
I'm like I don't know.
Anyway, but that was a funexperience and I was like I need
to listen more.
You know I'm asking somebodywhat camera do you have?

Now I feel bad.
No, but I saw you.

That was on me.
That's what I'm saying.
That wasn't at all anything youdid wrong, but what I'm saying
is my brain automatically addedan S in there Because that's
what I assume for some reason itwas and uh, anyway, that was a
fun time.

Thank goodness it was one shot uh otherwise.

Yeah, because we were also trying to match with
the other cameras.
You know, that's the wholething.
Uh, because you know if you'rejust using the same camera, then
it doesn't matter because it'sall gonna match.
Um, yeah, I had oh talk about, Imean stories yeah, yeah I had a
buddy who shot a wedding it washis first wedding and he was
like um, uh, he shot a wedding,he had no experience and he

(01:25:19):
charged a decent amount of money.
And then obviously he came homeand same thing, I think,
whatever camera he had only shotin like 8 bit.
And so he has now here a reallynice camera um, uh, you know
fs5, whatever, whatever.
And then the other thingwouldn't match.
And then he's like I guess hetried a while to edit, to fix
the colors, and he couldn't.
So he shouted me he's like hey,don't you have a colorist?

(01:25:41):
I was like, yeah.
He's like can you please?
see if we can fix it and I sentit to my buddy and he's like, uh
, no, he's like I could try anddo some good stuff to like you
know, like to maybe make it mesh, but it's like, you know, the
problem with 8-bit is like it'skind of what you get and
especially if you start to doeven a little bit too much, it's

(01:26:02):
going to start bending.
Um, so so that was a fun thing.
And I was like, here's a fs5mark, whatever it was, the other
one, oh, you can do whateveryou can up, you know, because 10
bit cinema camera you canmanipulate everything.
And then here goes, whateverthe other one was, I don't
remember now, um, some sony, youknow right, but point is it was
it had like no manipulationbecause it's 8-bit.

(01:26:24):
And I was like even aprofessional colorist is like,
uh, I don't know what I can do.
I mean we made it work, poorgirl, you know, because we don't
want the bride to not be happy,but there was very limited of
what we could do.
I felt even bad charging myfriend.
I'm like, ah man, I justalready feel bad for you.
I mean you made decent moneybecause weddings, but still, you

(01:26:46):
know, first wedding and now thecolors don't freaking match, I
mean, but things that you don'tthink about, and they these are
the reasons, see, why people arelike why can, how can we charge
more money?
Right?
Why?
Why?
Why is the shoot not 200 bucksbut 3 000 bucks or whatever?
I think that's what it is.
You're being paid to make surethe footage doesn't get deleted,
to make sure the shoot wasright, and the higher you charge

(01:27:09):
, the more they're expecting youto, and not that saying that
there won't be one rare exampleof things just absolutely go
wrong.
But I think that's um why we'repaid right, right to, to make
sure all the things that aregoing to go wrong hopefully
won't go wrong.
And it's the reliability whypeople are willing to pay more.

(01:27:29):
Because for a bride think aboutit, I mean, I'm thinking again.
I don't do weddings like.
Can you imagine going to abride and saying I lost all your
wedding footage?
Oh my goodness, that would notgo well yeah, because it's not
like yeah, let's not.
But I'm just saying uh, youknow, because I that's not like
they're gonna go get marriedagain.

I mean, hopefully not but even you know
what I mean.

Oh, yeah, definitely wow, any other crazy
stories you can think of no man.

Um, yeah, I think this past those two things
that I brought up, those thishappened this past year, so
really yeah, yeah both atdifferent times, but yeah, so
let's hope this new year youknow, starting a new year off
right?

especially with 10 weddings and 10 to 15 weddings
you want to do this year.
You don't want to, you don'twant to be messing with that,
but see, I think as long as youlearn, the biggest thing is look
, everyone's going to makemistakes, we're human.
I had, like I said, I thinkI've told this story but I had
somebody mess with my cameras,like on set, like DP.

(01:28:30):
But you know what I mean, likeand not ask.
But point is so I used to havea very rarely, you know, not
anymore, but on my FX6's we hada button to burn in the phantom
light if needed, always off,never had that issue.
I've owned the Sony platformfor a couple of years now and uh

(01:28:52):
, obviously I leave for fiveminutes, come back because you
know, and all sony too, I meanthere are many it all it shows
is m.
So if you're burning in thelight, that's all it shows and
the m goes away.
Obviously if you're not, and uh, you know, uh, the, the guy who
was the dp fix his cameras.
We and I was in charge of thetwo fx6s and uh, on the lighting

(01:29:14):
and the sound and everythingelse.
So I did everything.
We walked away to get somesnacks.
We came back.
He's like oh, I already, youknow, I moved the cameras a
little bit, but they're all setand I'm like okay, we hit record
.
I'm listening to the audioshoots done, go go home and you
know, footage is copied, done,right.
And this was the director hecalls like hey, the color is

(01:29:34):
like, I see color in thisfootage and you're supposed to
be log.
I'm like, oh, what I'm likehe's like make doesn't make
sense.
I was like, yeah, I know for afact it was an s log three, you
know, because, yeah, I don'trecord in color.
So anyway, I go back in and I'mlike you know, I see color too.
Now I'm like what you know, Isee color too.
Now I'm like what happened?
And obviously there's been manyshoots since then.
So obviously the camera isfixed.

(01:29:55):
But anyway, I come to find outthat and I don't know if it was
sabotage or not, I don't thinkit was Accidentally somebody
pressed the button and he did iton both cameras, but he burned
in the light and that's why Iwas like the first thing I did
was go and remove um and removethat button.
I was like I don't care,somebody wants to burn in the

(01:30:15):
lot.
Now you have to go deep diveinto the menus, but things like
that happen.
The good thing was he burned inthe phantom lot, which is the
phantom neutral lot, which iswhat most of the time we used
for conversion, so it didn'truin the footage that much.
It was still 10 bit.
You know, it was only thephantom let, so it could be, you
know, still color graded Causewe were going to have a colorist
on the shoot.
Nice point I'm trying to get todon't let anyone touch your

(01:30:37):
cameras, especially if theydon't know any of the shortcuts
and buttons, like that.

And yeah that was a fun experience.
How's that been for you?
By the way, you know, havingyou know, you have two FX6s now.
Yes, I have two.

FX6s, two FX3s, two FX30s.
That's the current camera.
Yeah, got rid of all theexpensive cameras.
Don't have the V-Raptorsanymore.
Don't have the Alexa.
Just sticking to Sony and thenrenting the Alexas as needed is
the current formula.
Obviously, we'll rent RED, butnobody's asking for them, at
least from me, anymore.
Please call me for a red shoot.
We will do it, obviously.

(01:31:09):
I know enough people komodosand v raptors that we can rent
them but no that's all thedemand I'm getting.
You know, that's all I shot in2024.
It was all sony fx6 and fx3, tobe most likely.
Uh 30 only comes out for likeevent shoots.
And then, um, uh, the other onewas alexas and alexa minis.
You know mini and mini lfs.
That's literally what I've, atleast you shot in 2024.

(01:31:32):
I'm camera agnostic.
I'll shoot on whatever, yeah,but yeah, that's what I
currently have.
And uh, obviously you saw thevan, the, the new thing for this
year right yeah, finally gotall the gear.
I've had the.
Funny enough, like I said, alot of people like you must have
put so much money in the gear.
I'm like, no, I already had thegear.
I did have to buy the carts andthe van, which was not cheap
but the rest, just you know, wasalready in there.

(01:31:54):
I just had to load it up and andthank goodness it come, you
know, it went away.
Plus, I had to have a couple ofstorage units.
I'll save money over there too,so it's actually not a bad
experience, you know to thinkabout it.
What do you think of that?

the van.
Yeah, oh man, that's like everyfilmmaker's dream I think it's
awesome.
I would love to have one ofthose.
No, I think I think it's greatand I'm I'm looking forward to,
uh, you know, what 2025 has tobring for for you and your
company, and especially with, Imean, having a van.
That's kind of.
Those are big things.

That's a big move yeah, I mean funny enough.
Like I said, I'm already tryingto just replicate what I had a
couple years ago.
I had the trailer set up and Iloved it, uh, but got rid of it
harder to maneuver arounddowntown and stuff like that.
And then you know smallercities and things like that
miami.
Good luck with the trailer.
So, yeah, it was just a coupleyears in the making.
I'm so glad it finally happened,but at the same time, um, I

(01:32:50):
think, uh, funny enough, you saythat all I'm like is, if I can
just do what I did in 2024, I'dbe happy.
2024 was an incredible year formy business and, um, obviously,
minus the last two monthsbuilding all this and the van
and the crap, that was a littlebit of nightmare, but no, I'm
just happy.
To be honest, it's just that Ijust want to do what we did in

(01:33:10):
2024.
Obviously better would be nicer, but it's not neat if I can
just uh, and I think this ismore efficiency gain.
I know, uh, um, like I said, inall it changes for me is like
we were talking before westarted the podcast.
Is this the time, the time to?
You know?
At this point it like I'mshaving, saving just minutes.

(01:33:31):
I'm trying to shave minutes oftaking things out because you've
shot like an interview with me,right?
Yeah, the difference is,instead of bag, now it's already
on the card, right, exactly, soI mean it's.
Is it essential?
No, but since you, since I doso many of these might as well.
You know every minute adds up,the less set of time adds up and
as I'm only getting older, youknow less.

(01:33:53):
You know being more efficientand is is better.
Plus, now that I like the, mybiggest goal of this year is to
collaborate with people more.
Now that the van is ready and mysetup time isn't hard, isn't
long, might as well go be onother people's set.

(01:34:14):
That's help other people out.
Since we have it.
Yeah, might as well go do.
I'm already doing it.
I have a buddy which I don'ttypically do like movies, so I'm
about to help uh, a buddy ofmine uh, film a short film, uh,
and normally I wouldn't.
He's like, hey, do you want adp?
This, you know, normally in thepast I would have been like no,
but now I'm like, hey, I havethe van, you know what I mean.
He's gonna let me, uh, havesome creative control, right,
that's cool.
And I'm like sure, and so it'salready opening new creative
horizons.
I don't think it's going to addto the money aspect of it.

(01:34:34):
Of course, I mean, I hope so,but I don't think so.
But I think it will definitelyhelp streamline things be able
to let me be on more setswithout sacrificing family time,
because all those prep days nowcan become extra shoot days and
then so I still can maintain,you know that, the balance of
family life relationship.

(01:34:55):
So, yeah, I'm looking forwardto it, man.
Uh, I was excited to show it toyou because you hadn't seen it.

Uh, you know I was seeing it in the chats and I
was like, oh man, he's got anew van, he's got a new house.

Yeah, oh shoot yeah, that old news now almost
you know, uh, but yeah, no, I'mexcited to share it.
Funny enough, only the peoplewho've been on the podcast have
seen, and I'm excited to, uh,we're shooting a video in a week
or two which I'm gonna ask youfor free.
Come on, help us out.
You know I'm down yeah, so butyeah, we're gonna make a just
fun, I mean a video about it, um, and then share it.

(01:35:27):
But so yeah, that's that's agoal, um, and we'll see how it
it.
But so yeah, that's that's agoal, and we'll see how it turns
out, you know, yeah, so that'sexciting.
All right, doron.
So what else man?

what's been going on in life?
Yeah, you know, oh shoot, let'ssee here.
Um well, 2025, right.
Um, new year, new things.
Um, yeah, I just really, youknow, I just really want to be
more intentional about aboutvideo this year.

(01:36:02):
I feel like I'll have a lotmore free time.
You know you're talking abouttime you know time with your
family, but I think you know,after finishing school I feel
like you know, there will be alot more time on my hands to be
able to dive deeper into videoand I know that's been a you
know a big conversation betweenus two, and I've leaned on you a
lot about a lot of things inrelation to that.

Which, by the way, I appreciate you trusting me.
You know to, to, to, becauseyou know, I don't know.
I haven't never tried to exertmyself as an authority or
anything.
Look, I'm like.
Look, this is what I did.
I'm happy to share because itworked right.
Finally clicked in, I'm likewhy wouldn't I tell people look
this is what I did when itfinally worked right.
So I've been always happy todecide, but I'm never like you

(01:36:45):
know I'm the authority.
Look at listen to me, because Idon't know everything and this
is just one way of doing it.
I've already had, like Imentioned earlier, so many
people telling about differentways to get to the hypothetical
six-figure plus number thatpeople are looking for, and so,
yeah, I really appreciate it andI feel honored in a way that

(01:37:05):
you felt that I could provideany value to you.

Yeah, man, and I hope you doing this will only
add to other people's lives aswell with whoever sees it
Exactly.

And it's going to help me too, because I get to
hit up with so many coffeerequests and all that.
I'm like look, now I'm going tobe able to be like I hate
self-promotion stuff, but I'mgoing to be like just go listen
to this, it's exactly what I'mgoing to tell you.
Anyway, might as well justlisten for free, right?
and also be able to be moreproductive and be on more set,
because, anyway, I don't want torepeat myself, but yeah, that's

(01:37:39):
the goal this year I'm going tobe on more on set, you know,
create more, uh.
So anyway, going back to you,what you were saying so I feel
honored is what I was sayingthis you considered me any kind
of resource yeah, no, no, and Iappreciate.

I think you're a good person, I think you know
what you have going on here isis huge and uh, it, you know
it's.
It's great.
It's a great, you knowcommunity that we have here in
orlando.

Yeah, everyone knows, everyone I've told
everyone when I was like oh,doron's coming, and they were
like oh yeah, I've been on thisshoot with him and I'll be on
this shoot with him so you knowit's not like uh, and I know you
just a little bit discountyourself on this podcast, like,
oh, it's a side thing, but youdo enough shoots because
everyone I know has been in someset or the other with you.
So you know you are very active.

(01:38:22):
I mean not as active I'm surewhen you know, uh, fully get
into it, but you are still veryactive.
You're still, you know, outthere shooting and and creating
content, which is what I wasgoing to ask you.
So how do you find do you haveany fun comparisons, because
you've been on so many shootswith other people that I work
with, like I know, emmanuelyou've shot something with and

(01:38:42):
then you've shot with Adam,you've shot with me Any
differences or are we all doingsimilar stuff or any?
I don't know, I didn't knowwhat.
What from your perspective,having worked with other people
that I have worked withseparately, do you see any
differences or contrasts orstyle differences In terms of
like?

(01:39:02):
the shoot or Just tool style,just hanging out, I don't know,
Trying to start controversy.
No man, I can't do that.
Tell me who's better.
I can't do that.
Tell me who's better.
No.

I can't do that.
No, it's honestly been apleasure to you know work with
all you guys.

Okay, don't give us political answers.
That's not allowed here.

It's been awesome.

No, no, I'm not trying to do it that way, I'm
just saying how is the setdifferent?
Because, you know, everyone isdifferent obviously.

Yeah, so.
So I think with emmanuel thethe last one that I shot with
him it was a while ago, um, butI think he was just trying to do
.

I think he was trying to collect.

Yeah, like an ad , he was trying to collaborate
with uh, you know differentcreators from that you know
group um and uh, yeah, it was,uh, it was for, uh, I think we
were making an ad for amotorcycle, right.
It was very fun, right, like wewere just doing it for fun and
we were able to light everythingand it came out pretty good.

(01:39:58):
I thought it was, and it wasjust good to work with someone
new, because I had never workedwith them before, which, again,
which is why I was down to, youknow, work with them to begin
with you know, and Emmanuel wasa cool guy.

Yeah, I think guy yeah him.

And what geo as well, geo, that's right geo,
yeah, geo was there, um, but uh,yeah, I mean, that was cool.
Again, it was unpaid, it wasjust, you know, out of our own
free time um versus like withyou.
I've done a couple you knowpaid gigs with you um and uh.
I mean, we've already talked alittle bit about it, you know

(01:40:34):
interviews and, uh, differentevent shoots as well.
Yeah, um, and then with adam,I've done quite a few shoots
with him, um doing more, um, Ithink we've done, we've done
quite a few med spas actually um, and it's been a little mix of
like interview what's with medspine video?

I literally have my camera out on a rental with
another friend really uh, he'sabout to yeah, bring that back
after the podcast, and he'sshooting a med spa.
So, huh, that's maybe a marketto target.

You know, a med spa, yeah yeah, yeah and and
yeah, it was basically just youknow some interviews.
Um, I think we've done a coupletestimon testimonials too.
So some of their clients camein, we had the same interview
set up and then we also did someB-roll of them actually doing
like a procedure or whateverthey had planned for that day.
Yeah, super.

I wonder, pre-production would be nice.
I'd be like let me show up, letme test the services before I
can shoot them.
Yeah, right, right would benice.
I'd be like let me show up, letme test the services before I
can shoot them right.

But uh, I mean it, it was a good shoot.
Uh, I, you know, adam, he's,he's killing it like he's.
He's very organized and hisshoots very professional and, um
, I love the way that he handleshis um handles his shoots.
But, um, yeah, yeah, I med spas.
That's a good gig, man.

Yeah, now the thing about I wasn't even
thinking see you brought I'malready like my.
My wheels are turning.
That seems great, uh, but no,that's, I think, what's
incredible about filmmaking,right, it's just collaborating
with different people andlearning from their styles, and
I'm sure you're developing yourown style, uh, learning for all
these people that you'recollaborating, man, until you
know, you form your style, howto interact with.

(01:42:14):
I'm pretty sure that's veryimportant to the type of gigs
you're doing right now andimportant how do you interact
with brides, right, how to getthem to see your vision or
whatever.
That is right, do you see?
And then, yeah, definitely.

I feel like there's always something you
know to take from those that youwork with, and I mean that in a
sense of like what they do.
There's some things that youcan emulate in your own business
and what you do, and that's whyI find benefit in collaboration
.
You know, working with peoplelike you, adam Emmanuel, even if

(01:42:48):
it's for free, you're alwaysgoing to get something out of it
yeah you know that's going tobenefit you, even if it's not
paid.
Paid work yeah, um, and so youknow, that's why I hate that.

I know you've done like, I think at least one of
those for me and I'm like Idon't know.
It feels like taking advantageof someone.
That's why I like to pay thepeople something, because yeah,
yeah because, at least to me andagain it may just be again in
my head I'm just like I don't.
If you come for free, then Ifeel like I owe you something,
but versus, if I pay you, thenit's like I mean, I'm still
happy for people to come andlearn, right, but I at least I

(01:43:22):
have felt that way personally,which is why I know you've
offered a few, I'll come for I'mlike you know what let me pay
you, but I think you didinitially.
That's how we started right.
I think you did do a shoot withme at disney or something that
was unpaid right, that's rightyeah that was.
That was fun shoot do youremember that any of it?

I do.
Yeah, we were um, it was uh,what, what was some kind of
event.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was somesome event and, uh, I was
running, I was running your, um,oh, what was it?
The canon?
Uh, you're running canon r5c.

Yeah, that's right .
Yeah, you were running your r5cin a gimbal.
Oh, my goodness, that's a longtime ago.

Yeah, uh, the battery life on that thing is
terrible, terrible, terrible.

Yeah, now we're going back to that okay, not bad
, I should let me not comment onit.

I don't even think I was about to say not bad
image.

But then I was like yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean such an oppositething, so funny.
No, no, I mean we're going on atangent yeah but I wanted to
add those.
Um, you know, I had four c70s.
Then I realized c70s were alittle too much on gimbal for
most people because, remember,I'm not operating it, I want
people to get tired.
So I sold two of the C70s andgot two of the R5Cs and I was

(01:44:32):
like, oh, that'd be a perfectcombo.
A, b, you know, and then C andD, gimbal cameras.
Dude, the amount of problems Ihad with that camera, which,
again, it was great.
I liked the hybrid nature of it, that you could go to the
cinema line, it had all thecinema stuff.
But then the limitations, thelimitations, the battery life
issues, yeah, and then theweight wasn't that less that I
thought it would be.

(01:44:53):
So, yeah, I was in and theoperators weren't happy.
I don't know if you remember,even if you liked it or not,
probably not.

Which is why they got rid of it very fast.
Yeah, yeah, I like Sony man,yeah.

Not as good as C70 , though the battery of life was
just.

I think I had to change that During that time
that we were there.

I think I had to change the battery like three
times.
Which sounds very good for thatcamera.

The shoot was good.
I would love to do more ofthose of course, I feel like
that's another fun gig.

Plus Disney it was a Disney resort, so the all
these nice places.
Yeah, exactly, it was one ofthose rare instances where
somebody was working Cause, youknow, it was like I think what
do you call like one of thosepartner events for me?

Yeah.

And so it's very rare for me to, you know, bring
on people for free.
So I was a little hesitantbecause again and that's more in
me, not you I was like, ah, Idon't want him to feel like I'm
taking, but but you obviouslyvolunteer, like no, no, I want
to do it.
And obviously you killed it.
Um, you know, you were, you didgreat and I think you had hamza
with you, it was really goodtoo, too bad.
He went to new york, yeah, butanyway, but yeah.

(01:46:07):
So.
So you know, in a way I waslike, ah, what am I doing?
But but then on the other side,when you you know you were
working, I was like, oh, that'sawesome, he's getting good
content and hopefully, um, Ihired you a few times after that
, so you know, you got somemoney yeah, exactly, man, and I
think that was the first shootthat I like, the first event
shoot like that that I've evershot before you know to to be a

(01:46:27):
part of which that's highpressure to go to dis and so the
events, you've never, I mean,done.

That it was uh, it was great.
You know, I'm pretty sure inthat room you were hanging out
with like all the big wigs of uhbusiness in in florida, because
yeah, it was like a businessnetworking event, right, yeah,
yeah, we were able to do, uh,you know, do some some little uh
snippets of you know, littlemini interviews, yeah, so that
was kind of cool.
That's pretty pretty cool.

Yeah, I'd completely forgotten about that.
Now that you know we're talkingabout it, I'm like, yeah, that
was an incredible fun night andthat's how we kind of started
this working relationship.
So you never know, you knowwhere it starts and where it
goes and where it ends up.
But anyway, and that alsoreminds me of the, like you said
, the horrible time of the r5c'sman getting and getting rid of
them was tough.
They were brand new.

(01:47:12):
You know, I pre-ordered them and, uh, we only used them a little
bit and then trying to get ridof them, oh, my goodness, nobody
wanted it.
And I'm like this camera justcame out and, yeah, I had to,
like, uh, make some efforts toget rid of them, which is crazy,
you would think.
You know people want canoncameras and, opposite of c70 by
the, I love the C70 image.
So it was surprising to me howgood this one camera is from the

(01:47:35):
same brand, minus the hingeissues.
That's the only thing negativeon the C70.
Anyway, and then the R5C, whichwas a terrible nightmare, but
hey, I've moved to Sony camp,that kind of.

Finally, was like Welcome to the dark side.
Yeah, I know.

And plus a lot of the agencies I worked with, we
were already renting, you know,sometimes Sony cameras, so they
were already like asking for alot of FX6 and FX3 anyway.
So, yeah, I finally was likeyou know what F this?
I mean, I don't care, you know,let me just because you know,
whatever.
It just was a big cost.
To be real, I'm not canon fanor sony fanboy or whatever.

(01:48:14):
So I was just like this isgoing to be huge to get rid of
all the lens lineup.
I had all the ef and all of therf lenses and at that point,
like I said, it was two r5cs andtwo c70s and now I have to sell
all of that and acquireeverything sony again.
You know all the gm lenses andyeah, that was.
That was not fun, but again,they paid for themselves.
What's crazy is, within themonth of acquiring them, uh,

(01:48:38):
they paid for themselves I waseverywhere, every and, funny
enough, all shoots were likeusing all the cameras.
There were always multi-cams andI was like this is crazy, so
the demand is so high.
Obviously I was doing my owngigs anyway, um, but then I was
able to do client work, and thenthe and then all these agencies
were.
They started flooding me withwork as soon as I was like, yeah
, we have these and they'reavailable, like to go any minute

(01:49:00):
, and they were like, oh, here'san interview, here's this,
here's that, and I'm like, hmm,that's, it's just crazy, but
that's, that's good for business, right?
So that's awesome, man.
Well, I wanted to thank you forcoming as we wrap this up.
Anything else you want to talkabout?
Any other fun stories?
Anything you want to ask me?
I don't know, I don't know.

Uh, I know yeah, well, I mean, uh, how much, how
much time do we have, man?

I mean, we have as much time as you want, but I
mean it's almost time to wrap up, but yeah, if you have anything
, please um yeah, this is youropportunity.

I don't know yeah, uh, if you're gonna say to
the audience, ask me, tell usany story, please, man um no, I
think, uh, you know, I think, if, if anybody's in a similar
situation as myself with youknow juggling, you know school
and a job and you know video aswell, I think it's definitely

(01:49:52):
possible.
Uh, obviously everyone hastheir own path, but, um, it's
definitely doable.

So yeah, and you're doing it with nursing
most people may not be in school.
That's that hard right, yeahit's not even harder you know,
like, but but you know it's,it's definitely possible.

It's just a matter of you know what your
intentions are and acknowledgingthose intentions and then
acting through.

Yeah, and what I like about you is that you're
not just doing video as a hobby.
Right, you have paid clients.
You're getting paid to go shootthese weddings or commercial,
or whatever, whatever workyou're doing so this is legit.
Like you can go make a veryhealthy living.
Like you said, this year's plan10 to 15 weddings, that's 50 to

(01:50:36):
70 and that's low end of herethe budget that you are trying
to aim for 5k, that's going tobe 50 to 75k of side money,
right, right.
So it can definitely be doneand you just have to be
intentional about it, rightdefinitely, man.

I think that's the big thing.
You know, just if you have, youhave the goals you know, if you
have the vision, take the riskright and do it.
You know, yeah, if there isanything that you know to be
risky with you know.

I know I talked at the beginning about being you
know secure, you know just berisky on your, on your
intentions and I love how peoplecan see the contrast and pick
their own choice.
To be real, what you, you'redoing is very safe.
Right, it's a safe choice.
Nursing is a very safe job and,uh, uh, obviously filmmaking is

(01:51:27):
a good money maker, but itcan't, it's not that.
So you're having both.
You know it's very secure.
But versus me, when I did this,I had a kid, you know, and I
and on top of that, me just, andI had a very good, you know,
well-paying job and I let go ofeverything and I go okay, now
I'm going to just do thisfull-time business, which you

(01:51:47):
know who knows, you know howthis is going to go.
Plus, you know there's nosecurity in this at all.
One month you could have somuch work.
Next month you have no work, orwhatever.
Uh.
So it was such a huge risk.
Plus, you know, I was pouringevery money I have into this in
the initial investment.
So it's a complete opposite.
I'm saying is like there wasall risk.
It was like it's gonna work orit's not gonna work.
But it was all in.
There was no, there was nobackup plan.

(01:52:09):
Because once I went in, I waslike, no, we're going in, and I
was just recruiting everyonethat I knew who could help, like
, hey, you, you're good, you,you, you have a grammy right,
can you do audio for me?
Oh, you, you're this, you'vecamera operation skills, sure.
Then I even had friends.
I was like, oh, you don't knowhow to do anything.
Good, here's a camera, you cando bts, because I don't care if
they screw up, right.
But I was in, I was includingeveryone in there.

(01:52:30):
I was like, no, no, this isgonna be huge.
And here I am, you know, likein my brain going uh, this
doesn't work out.
Then you know.
But what I'm saying is and nowand there could be a balanced
approach to I think just peoplehave to carve out their own
journey, right?
and I'm saying there's nothingwrong with either, or because
you're making a good living, uh,doing what you're doing and and
still be able to maintain, beable to still do your passion of

(01:52:53):
video and here I am going allin and still be able to do this
thing of video and, I think,anyone listening.
You just have to be intentionalabout it and carve out a path.
Obviously, it's one thing to berisky, but another thing to be
reckless.
Please don't be reckless.

Absolutely man.

And plus that's how I, how I am, I'm obsessive,
so I just went all in doesn'tmean that was the right decision
I mean now, it was now to thinkback but doesn't mean it'll
work for everyone.
So I also like your strategy ofsafe plus.
It's working, so why change it?
You know, and I'm so glad youdid it and uh, can't wait to you
know, know, a nurse, you knowthat'd be, that'd be so cool.
I mean, I don't know, uh,hopefully I don't have to see

(01:53:36):
you.

Which is funny in this profession.

I'm like uh, I hope I don't have to see you,
but you know it's at least goodto know someone who's uh, who's
doing this?

yeah man.

Um, so yeah, thanks, man.
I really appreciate you forcoming and sharing your insights
.

Yeah, of course, before we go.

Do you want to shout out people?
You're any.
Where are you more active?
Your instagram, youtube,whatever?
Tell people where they can comefollow you yeah, yeah.

So, uh, um, my website is uh caddyfilmscom,
that's c-a-d-d-i filmscom, andthen, um, on my social media oni
primarily use instagram.
It's at caddyfil, um, and then,uh, another goal of mine is to
to start using YouTube more, uh,this year.

(01:54:16):
So, um, same thing, you canfind me, uh caddy films on on
YouTube.

What do you want to do on YouTube this year?

Um, right now, honestly, um, I just want to use
that as a a way to just makemini short films, okay, so, um
fashion projects yeah, man, uhjust just very short, like mini,
mini, uh short films.
So anywhere between, like what,two to five minutes something

(01:54:43):
like that.
So um and uh, yeah, see where ittakes me.
You know, just get in justintentional and uh be consistent
on youtube, because I've seen alot of uh consistent people on
there and they've actually had anice uh return yeah, no,
exactly, as long as you'reconsistent about it.

And again, that's just anything right.
We talked two hours about it beconsistent, be intentional and
you'll find success in anythingas long as you know you, you
give it your all and, uh, Ican't wait to see all that.
I'm'm subscribed to you, so Ican't wait to see whatever
content you make and I'm lookingforward to it.
I'm also looking forward tocollaborating.
You know, we've collaboratedevery year since we met, which

(01:55:20):
was, I mean, only a couple ofyears ago, so we definitely have
to, you know, make projectsthis year again.

So I will still be reaching out to you.

Likewise, if something comes up, you know I
would love to have you on myside again.
I mean forever.
As long as you're willing tocome, I mean you're welcome man,
all right, thank you, doron,it's been a pleasure.
Thank you, sir, absolutely.

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