#160 - Round 3 - Ari Klau, Pro Triathlete, Musician, YouTuber - Stupid Questions with Seth Hill

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How's it going, everybody? And welcome back to another
edition of the Stupid Questions podcast.
Today on the pod, gonna be talking with Ari Cloud.
This is his round three interview.
Awesome guy. Super excited to get to connect
with him again. And you know, each time I have a
round two or in this case, a round three interview, it allows
for the relationship to have built enough to where we can

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just kind of talk about anything.
And that's what I really love and enjoy.
Just diving into any topic that comes to mind.
So I won't spoil too much, but it's a really fun conversation
with Ari. So thank you so much to Ari for
coming on and I hope you guys enjoy this episode.
Round three interview with Ari Cloud.
Dude, I, I don't know, I might be a little bit on the wrong

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side of like overdone. You think?
I mean, I don't know, it's my first Iron Man block so I don't
know. I've definitely been more tired
than I've been in the past. But also like had a lot of
sessions where I've gone in likeI feel so tired and then just do
like a crazy 5 hour ride. So, you know, like, the name of

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the game is fatigue resistance. So yeah.
But it's just it's kind of been a string of of like rides where
I haven't felt great. Yeah.
Makes me wonder, yeah, maybe we should just taper like, a tiny
bit early. Like at this point all we got to
do is just land the plane. Yeah, for sure.
So for you like when you're comparing the 70.3 training in

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terms of just just sheer volume,what what has changed if you're
a compare and contrast? It's just bike volume.
That's yeah. Just bike a lot more.
Yeah, I would have probably beenrunning a lot more, but I've
just had like these niggles thatcame up before we even kind of
started the block. So we've had to be a bit more
cautious. I think in an ideal world, we

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the run volume would have gone up a little bit and more so just
the long runs would have gotten a little bit longer, a little
bit more specific. It's like on most weekends I'll
go 20 miles and then my longest long run this block was 20, 4,
like 20-3 something. Yeah, it was good, but we only

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did one. We probably would have done 3/4
of those types of runs, you know, if I had been like in, I
guess, full health. But yeah, you know, I run a lot
of mileage generally, so I guessjust 124 mile run is kind of me
being a little cautious, you know?

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Yeah, yeah. Which is a cool spot to be in.
Yeah, for sure. Well, that's you're strong too.
It's what you feel most comfortable doing I guess.
Yeah, but the biking has been the big that's really like the
swimming's been very similar aside from there's been a few
specific sort of 10 by 400 open water type session.
It's just been, I was actually looking at my training peaks the

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other day. I'm not going to be able to
remember the numbers quite off the top of my head.
It was maybe like on a normal month the the first four months
of the year, I was between like 20 and 23,000 kilojoules

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expended on the bike. I don't know if that's if that
checks out, I guess like yeah, 24 if it was 24,000 kilojoules
in a month, that would be like that's 6000 a week.
Maybe it's more than I don't know.

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Either way, if it was like two 2000 to 2020 thousand to 23,000
a month, I was checking and I, Iremember seeing like 37,000 for
like the month of June. Like just that that that like
level of increase, like almost double the kilojoules was kind

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of the level of increase we're talking about.
Yeah, I would love to see what that like looks like on like per
ride because I'm just looking atmy bigger ride on Friday and it
was like 2700, but you're doing like more than ten of those 1112
of those to get like to 37,000. That's just crazy.
Yeah, I mean, I can pull up my training peaks if we want to.

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Let I mean we get it out Yeah, good.
I'm just really curious like what you're because your long
rides are looking like 5 to 6 hours right now, right?
Your big ones? Yeah.
Oh, does it give me? Yeah.
All right, let's go to dashboard.
Where did I see this thing? For a month, yeah.

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I was trying to look at my charts to see if I could figure
out for the month. It was oh kilojoules by week
slash day. Here we go, bike only last.
Does it let you share your screen?
I believe so. I.

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Don't know how protective you are of your training peaks, but.
Not that much. I mean, I didn't plan for this
to be a super scientific one, but that sounds fun.
OK. So April, the average let's say
was, yeah, it was like 8000 kilojoules, 8800 kilojoules.

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This is like the weeks, the weeks in April.
So I guess we're looking at morelike 40,000 a month.
I don't know where I got those numbers from that I was talking
about the 20. Yeah, you know 9700 kilojoules
leading in this is like a leading into Chattanooga and
then we taper down to 7075 hundred and then the week after

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race week was like under 1000 kilojoules like basically
nothing. And then it was right.
So it yeah, it was like 8000 to 9500 kilojoules were like the
with the big weeks. And then once we start the Iron
Man block week 1 is 11,013 thousand, 11,014 thousand,
14,011 thousand yeah, like crazy.

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Yeah, like 50% increase in or maybe not quite that much.
It was just like energy expenditure and the way that
happened was just a little bit more volume.
So it was like we were doing 1011 hours a week with kind of
a, a lot of intensity like a, a work 2 solid bike sessions,
sometimes 3 every week. And then in the Iron Man block,

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there was less polarity, I guess, very little zone 4, zone
5, but it was like upper zone 2,mid zone 3 every single day.
Yeah. Which coach?
Coach had said, we're not going to do that in the future.
He was like, this is like a first Iron Man block type of
thing. And you see Lionel on his

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YouTube channel says it all the time.
He's like, yeah, when you do that type of training, that's
where you get dull and you like,it does work if you're coming
off of a huge base of VO2 Max work and like your threshold's
really high. I think.
And I, I've talked about this with my coach and, you know, you
can get away with six to eight, maybe 10 weeks of that sort of,

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you know, no zone 5, very minimal threshold sort of work,
lots of zone 3. And you'll do really, really
well off of it. And that's probably a great way
to kind of peek for an Iron Man.But beyond that point, you'll
just get dull. You'll just get dull.
So it was like we're doing this because we came off of super
high intensity kind of. We weren't even training for

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70.3. It almost felt like we were
training for like Olympic distance a lot of.
Times you're going so hard. Yeah.
And then now it's like full on Iron Man block, just high
fatigue, middling power for a long, long time, all the time.
And it it got to me, it was, it was mentally tough, but like
it's a different level. It makes the respect I have for

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the, you know, the Christian Blumenfeld's and the Ditlebs and
the Laid Lows and the Leon Chevaliers, you know, and Trevor
Foley, like these guys who just are great at Iron Man,
especially on the bike. It's a, it's a different level
of training. It's a different mindset.
Yeah, it's interesting. So for you, whenever you were
saying like you just felt the bike work, it's out at workouts

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weren't going good. And then you're also talking
about just the mental, I don't know, fatigue of this is a lot
of grinding when you go out to actually do the bike workout
where you just underperforming or was it mostly just mental
headspace like this feels like aslog.
It's been a lot of up and down and again, this is another thing
my coach has gotten on me about.He's like, you've been riding
the highs and lows too much thisblock.

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And I guess maybe in my defense,it's like it's a big, a big
thing. Like I've been kind of thinking
about doing an Iron Man for a really long time.
And yeah, I guess, you know, maybe my natural tendency is to
be prone to super high highs andsuper low lows.
And I felt like I did a really good job of just being super
consistent level headed through the beginning of the year.

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No, like almost through having no hero sessions, everything
became a bit of a hero session. But like I felt within myself
like everything was just going super well and didn't have to
push crazy hard to kind of get into lifetime best fitness.
And now honestly, up until I would say a week ago, everything

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was going like and things are still going well.
I don't I'm not like crashing out.
Yeah, I have just, I think felt maybe on the like more tired
side of the line since this one huge, huge ride last Saturday.
So it was like whatever 8-9 daysago, which was it was basically

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just like go out and do the IronMan bike.
So we started at, I started at 7:00 AM open water, did 10 by 5
minutes basically trying to get that Iron Man swim fatigue in my
body before starting the bike sothat the bike is extremely
specific. And then the instructions for
the ride were 4 hours, 25 minutes, although in retrospect,

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I think coach meant for 4.25 hours, so 4 hours 15 minutes.
So I didn't got 10 minutes bonusfitness there.
Yeah, at like just pretty solid,pretty solid effort.
You know, we don't really have like a Iron Man Watts target.
It was just like you're. Going to go by field.
Go do do like a very solid for four hours, 25 minutes and then

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take a little bit of rest and then do 2 by 12 minutes pretty
hard, like three 23120 watts minimum was what he said.
But you know, really we're looking for more than that.
And those are just again, working on fatigue resistance.
It's like do this huge ride, geta a ton of kilojoules expended,
you know, really ruin those legsand then push power, you know,

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5-6 hours into this ride and I ended up normalizing over 300
watts for the whole ride for sixhours.
And it was like that middle 4 1/2 was 305 watts average a
little bit higher normalized. And it was like, I mean, shit, I
just got to do that again, like in the race.
Like I do that again in the race.

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Like that's I mean, I I've done 70 point, I got halfway and I
was like, I've done 70 point threes.
Like this is the same power meter, the same bike.
I've done 70 point threes at lower power than this, you know,
and and like felt kind of good about myself.
Yeah, so. You're getting fit.
Despite the fatigue. You're definitely getting fit.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that day really was

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like, oh, it's this whole thing.This whole thing worked.
And I wonder, like, maybe I justgot to sleep more.
I got to eat more. Like it's hard to keep up with
the caloric requirements. Yeah, for all those kilojoules,
I mean that's calories you got to you up that what what is your
like go to favorite meal that gets you filled up.

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I mean, right? Whatever got on this?
Podcast dude, I just have a hugebag like an 8 LB bag of frozen
chicken Nuggets and I will just this is like AI always wondered
if this is weird or not because it's been a thing since I was a
very young kid. You know, since I learned how to
use the microwave. I would just like put chicken
Nuggets like when I go to McDonald's, dude, I had, I never

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would get a burger or a filet offish or anything.
Chicken Nuggets, Mcnuggets. And that's my thing.
And so, yeah, I just, I keep a huge bag of frozen chicken
Nuggets and it's like, it's so lazy.
I just get a plate. I just pour a bunch out and I
put it in the microwave for 3-4 minutes.
And I just have like hot sauce. Yeah, hot sauce on demand.
And I just, I just eat chicken Nuggets.

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And that's, that's, I guess likeone of my, I don't even want to
call it guilty pleasure. Do you think that's weird?
No, So like for me, what's funny, first of all, when you
mentioned chicken Nuggets, because like I used to eat them
religiously. So I grew up a vegetarian and
then like to do my, you know, myrebellious stage.
I was like, I'm going to eat meat.
So I started eating, you know, whatever.
Family like vegetarian Like vegetarian.

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Yeah, totally were. And like, it's so funny.
Like I went to such a conservative high school that
they were like, you can't, you can't have that in the dorm
because I went to like a privateschool and they're like, you
can't have. So we would like sneak in and
like, it's like we were doing drug deals.
But for for me, like people would literally the the
villains. I got some bacon.
So yeah, you want some bacon. So anyway, they were really
good. But no, I don't think it's

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weird. My thing used to be like bagel
bites. Do you remember those things?
Oh yeah, dude, those. Toaster.
Oh yeah, or just like, I like them kind of soggy.
That was my weird thing. Oh, interesting, like microwave?
Yeah, just like barely warm. I don't know why.
That's what I liked, Yeah. That is interesting.
Chicken Nuggets. Yeah.
It's, I mean, dude, it's just like pure protein.

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The breading's got a little bit of of carbs in it, I guess, but
it's just, it's just calories. And chicken nugs.
I could, I, I think I could eat it.
I don't know if I could eat it three meals a day indefinitely
and not get sick of it. You'd probably get.
Heartburn. But it is a little bit of a
delicacy to me. I'm like, I get excited.
I'm like, oh, fuck yeah, I'm going to eat some chicken

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Nuggets. But really, really, the main big
source of calories is white rice.
Yeah. I mean, I'm just like always
making two or three cups of white rice in the rice cooker.
And just slam it. Most everything.
Most days, yeah. And I just have a huge bowl of
rice. This is probably 2-2 of the
three meals a day and then the other is big stack of pancakes.

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And then like the morning pre training snack is English
muffins with cookie butter. And that's how I've gone about
it. But it's like 2 meals a day is
like rice. And then I've got a lot of like
meal prepped chicken and I have just arugula or like, you know,
greens sitting around like greens with apple cider vinegar
and olive oil. It's like my favorite basic
dressing kimchi. And then sometimes I'll have

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like olives or like artichoke heart, you know, like those kind
of marinated brined, like vegetables, just like keep the
fiber intake pretty high, but it's that's the bulk of it.
And like sometimes I don't know if it's too clean.
Like obviously the, the vegetables aren't very
calorific, but that's I just loads and loads and loads of

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white rice. And I would say that's probably
over 50% of my calories outside of like, you know, drinking,
sports, nutrition. Yeah, it's well, it's slam chock
full of carbs, so it works. I have a have a funny question
then for with all of the upped eating and then training, how
has this affected your bowel movements?

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Haven't noticed. You haven't been honest.
I haven't noticed. Yeah.
To be completely blunt, I feel like.
I wonder if I went to a doctor, they'd be like, you know, and
you know where you do like the poop tests, you know, And
they're like, they want to because it's like a way to
figure out a lot of things that are wrong with your gut.
Yeah. If they say something is wrong

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with me. And on this note, very
tangentially, I had a friend like a year and a half or two
years ago, he was talking about like a side hustle.
He's like, you can do poop transplants, you know, like
people will pay lots of money. Like people like with with, you
know, serious diseases, chronic diseases, like the insurance
pays for it. Like people are paying for it

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out of pocket. But like they need healthy
people with healthy stools. And I looked into it and like I.
Applied whole program. Actually.
Oh, really? And you look on the the Bristol
Stool scale. Yeah.
And I I basically looked at the criteria and I was like, Oh, no
way. They say.
I have way too many too soft bowel movements.

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Yeah, and it doesn't phase me. It's not like diarrhea or
anything. It's just like a lot.
I feel like there's so much sugar water and gels.
And then you put the, you know, the odd like extremely fibrous
meal. Like I feel like 2 meals a day.
I have a lot of fiber and then two meals a day, I have 0 fiber.

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And it's, it's just that the body's under so much stress.
Like sometimes, you know, when it's like really, really hot, it
must be like a super, super softpoo.
And so it's variable, yeah. And there's definitely some
solid ones. I don't know if it's A1 or A5 on
the Bristol scale I. Think 1 is soft?
Let me just look at it so. Five, there's a couple 4 or

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fives on the Bristol scale, but it's really like all over the
place. But it always is.
I haven't noticed a difference in in this block.
Oh here we go. I'm actually looking it up.
There's you can buy this for $7.30, yeah, type 10 super hard.
So 7 is super like just straightup diarrhea, yeah.

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Yeah, so there's you know, someones and twos, couple
threes, not not too many sevens though I'd say like fours and
fives probably yeah. I again, I don't know if it's
like healthy, but I, I do try tokeep my my gut functioning well
because ultimately that's how you process carbohydrates.
So having fiber in a lot of these meals is, is like very

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intentional because I feel like to a certain extent you're,
you're like ruining your gut with all this sugar and you need
to counteract. That I wish there was like a
long term study actually that would look at that because,
yeah, you know, racing in itselfisn't healthy.
Training I think can be healthy when you're doing it in excess.
Like there's an argument to be made, but I would love to see
the longevity of gut health as compared to, you know, because

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if Morton or somebody was to go and fund a study, I don't know
if I'd trust their findings as much.
But it would be interesting to put together some money to do
like a five year study on, I don't know, 250 to 1000 athletes
just to see how many carbs you take per day versus and ratio to
how much solid food you eat and how that affects gut health.
That would be really fascinatingto, yeah.
But it's definitely like there'sa lot of people who I mean, Sam

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Laidlaw even was like, I've always had gut issues and I
can't seem to figure them out consistently.
And so that's, I mean, it's kindof one reason I'm very big on
just eating a lot of fiber because it is a performance
enhancer in addition to just, you know, knowing that eating
healthy is good. Specifically, gut health is
extremely important for processing carbohydrates, which

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is kind of everything these days, yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting when I got COVID back in 2020 or
whatever, it actually cured me of all of my gut issues dude.
Like I used to have so weird, crazy, but whatever happened
when I got COVID, I it did the taste and smell thing, but for
whatever reason I had just not to be too graphic, but just

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straight, I wasn't even like hungry.
So for like 3 days I was just drinking but it was all coming
out of my rear and it was just like the most intense PSI of
straight water. But I think it just.
Flushed. Dude, it flushed my entire
system and I was like, this is so crazy.
But after that, no, IBSI didn't have farts.
There was thinking all the time.I was regular, like now I go to,

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you know, two times in the morning or whatever and like
it's just like clockwork. And I was like, this is the
greatest thing that ever happened to me, if I'm being
completely honest. That's crazy.
I wonder if you just have like some?
Parasite or or. Like inflammation?
Yeah, just like. Inflammation that happened
whenever like maybe it's an autoimmune thing or like.
Idea that. Just happened whenever you ate
and of course you eat every single day.

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Like had you ever done a long term fast?
No, I mean no, the fat longest I'd ever fasted.
I used to fast once a day in college for like a year on
Mondays but other than that nothing wrong.
Like a sort of like 1/2 day. Like a day where I would just
drink water, sometimes a little juice.
Or for the full day, for the 24 hour or just like the sun up to

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sundown kind of thing. Yeah.
And I wonder if like, yeah, three days, two or three days,
like a longer essentially a fat,like a no food.
Yeah, I guess. That's what happened, Yeah,
Because I had no desire for food, not even remotely hungry.
That was the weirdest thing. Well, I, I mean, I'm not a
doctor. I don't know what happened.
I have no idea if that's like, you know, sometimes it's like a
conspiracy theory, like you justpresent something that seems

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like it can make sense and then all of a sudden it's like.
Oh, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man.
Well, we're already 28 minutes in, I should say.
Thank you so much for coming on again.
This is the third time. You're the first person, if
you're not counting, like Mark Diverks and I like roulette live
thing. You're the first person to come
on the third time. So thanks for making it happen.
Well, thank you for being so flexible with my schedule.

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You know it can. We had to cancel once a couple
days ago and reschedule and thenI was lost my heart rate monitor
before my ride and spent an hourfreaking out about like where is
I don't know where it is. Are you haven't found it?
No, I'm it's God. It's scary.
Like I don't know what I'm goingto like.
I'm going to have to buy anotherone like.
Those are expensive too. Which one do you use?
Like the Garmin 1. Garmin HRM Pro plus my

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girlfriend bought it for me for my birthday or Christmas present
or something because my old one had kept like conking out.
So yeah, thank you for being so flexible.
I'm honored to be on here for the third time.
And, and I was just thinking like, we always, we always get
up to something. We always talk about something
interesting. And here we are before the
official intro talking about Iron Man, gut issues and soft

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poo. Yeah, you know, and the
relationship between the three. So we're already off to a great
start. Yeah, no, 100%, man.
Yeah. So, I mean, obviously you've
been doing the Iron Man training.
I haven't seen you. I met you in person, I guess for
the first time in Taupo. But a lot has happened between
now and then. What's been going on in your
world other than Iron Man training?
Man, not much, not much, which is crazy.

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I mean, it just speaks to how all consuming.
This block I don't. Want to say because I know I
could do, you can do, and a lot of people do a lot of pros do
Iron Man training much less intense than what I'm doing.
But my coach and I are in full agreement of like we're going to
do this, we are going to do we're going to do this.

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And he he has said honestly, like towards the end of this
build, your body was not ready for this.
And I'm kind of like, yeah, that's.
I think. You know, but it's like we
didn't want to do the I don't want to like disrespect a lot of
people by calling it the junior version.
But, you know, my coach Jack hashas spoken to, you know, the

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majority of the greatest coachesand athletes in our sport.
And he knows what the top guys are doing.
He also knows, you know, in terms of progression, how to get
me there. And yeah, we I mean, that is all
to say that we hit this build hard.
The entire year was kind of trying to set me up in a place

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where I would be both physicallyand mentally ready to hit this
block hard. And you know, I mentioned
earlier on I've I've had these like, annoying little tendons
niggles on the run. But I mean, really, the star of
the show is just the cycling. And it's, yeah, it's been the
most demanding but greatest six weeks of cycling I've ever done.

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And the improvements are, are just crazy.
Like I'm, I'm so excited to justkind of see what I can do on
race day. Like I'm really not putting any
limits on myself. So, yeah, to answer your
question in terms of like, what else is going on, really not
that much. I spend time with friends when I
can. I spend, you know, basically all

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of my spare time with my partnerIris.
And we're moving in soon, which like, I'm really excited about
that. Just like I almost hesitate to
say I'm excited about how much time it will save me, but there
is so much time spent. And forth.
Driving and oh, she lives downtown.

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Like she lives in a really like amazing location.
I wouldn't like training from there, but I really like hanging
out there. It's like basically on the
waterfront next to Pike Place. If anyone's ever been to
Seattle, like literally a 2 minute walk from Pike Place,
just the options for like coffeeand food and just like hanging
out and walking are an incredible, amazing view of the

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Olympic Mountain, Olympic Peninsula and the mountain
range. It's just like awesome.
But it is downtown in like a midsize major city.
Apparently Seattle has the thirdworst traffic in the country.
Like it just wasn't designed to have as many people as it does.
And sometimes it will take me like 4550 minutes to get down
there when with no traffic. It's a 1011 minute drive.

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So yeah, I'm excited for us to consolidate our belongings, be
able to spend more time together, be able to like just
have a little bit more time outside of training that's not
spent, you know, packing a bag and and going over to hers.
So yeah, I would say those are the two things.

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It's been almost by necessity, like a little bit of a lack of
balance, not in a bad way, but Ihinted at the beginning of that,
that we've set myself up this year to be ready to hit this
mentally because it like, it hasn't been like that all year.
I've had a lot more time all year.
I haven't been training like crazy amounts of hours all year

(26:21):
up until this point, really justso hey, once we get to June,
July, it's go time And and that's just how it's been.
So like, there really hasn't been all that much going on
outside of yeah, training and, you know, the, the people who
are like very immediately closest to me.
So 2 questions. First one has to do with you and

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Iris, like that decision to movein together, it seems like it
just made sense, but was that a,was that like a long time
coming? Did that take some steps to kind
of things to get figured out before you guys made that
happen? Or was just is it kind of just
pretty chill easy to decide? We were talking about it a year
ago because she, you know, renewed her lease.

(27:04):
I just signed a new lease, A2 year lease but with my roommates
knowing. You might jump.
Hey, I'm, I'm, we're talking about moving in.
Like I might jump after a year. And yeah, so we were just like
had brought it up. And then, you know, as you go
over the next 12 months, you start talking about it.
Oh, it's getting close, You know, should we start looking at

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when should we start looking at places?
Like, should we move in? Like, because I'm living right
now with it's one of my best friends.
Like we ran in college together.Like we've known each other for
a long time. Like we ran and like have just
ended up in Seattle largely in part like due to each other.
And like, you know, he used to run like that's kind of where

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our friendship was formed and then he quit the track team.
And, you know, I don't blame forhim at all.
He just, he didn't love it the same way that I did and has
gotten like super into climbing.So like our lives have gone, you
know, somewhat separate ways, but I, I feel like we're still
so supportive of each other and like an extremely like, you
know, brotherly way. And so I'm with, you know,

(28:12):
living with him and his partner who's also a good friend.
And so I was like, well, I, you know, I'm living with one of my,
one of my boys. Like, do I, do I stick out this
lease? Like, do you just, you know,
renew your lease for one more year in the, you know, in your
apartment? Like, you know, because the way
we're looking at it is, well, we've got the rest of our lives.

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Should I just do one more year with my buddy?
And then just as it went on, it was like, you know, I actually
kind of wanted to spend all my time with you.
Like I'm not in a rush to get there, but I feel like you get
to a point where you know, like this is my, this is my person
who like has my back, you know, and it, it almost graduates away

(28:57):
from the feeling of romantic love that you that you knew
earlier on in the relationship. And it's just like, this is,
this is like, maybe it sounds stupid, but this is home.
Like this is the person I want to be with.
Making home together. Yeah, who supports me?
And yeah, it feels weird becauseI talked to my dad about it and

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I literally just straight up askhim like about.
What he thought. Marriage with my mom and this
like, he's like, like I thought I knew, you know, and it's like
it's the biggest commitment I'veever undertaken and I've been
married for I don't know what, 3033 years at this point.
Yeah, that's huge. And, and I feel like just the

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way he said it is, you know, it just evolves and.
The relationship. Yeah, and, and the way you think
about love evolves and I, I don't know, I feel like you look
at your parents as you know, especially if they've been
together for 30 years. It's like people who have
figured it out, but the truth isthey're still.
Figuring it out. Figuring it out like this is
their first go around at being married for multiple decades and

(30:03):
it's the only you know, everyoneonly gets 1, you know you only
get one. Well, it's hard to be married
for 30 years twice I guess, but.It would be done I'm sure, but.
But yeah, so it's just, yeah, it's getting to that point where
I'm just becoming more and more sure of like.
She's the one. You know, yeah, I think, I think
she's the one, but not in the stupid.

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Like I think she's the one. Man, I love her so much.
It's like in a more in a more like.
Mature. Yeah yeah, like rock solid.
Like we're here to support each other.
Yeah. Even if I decide I like don't
even like you piss me off. I don't like you anymore, you
know, like, cuz I know I've seenthat stuff happen like, you
know, in my own household, like,you know, and maybe that's like

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a little drastic to say, but it's.
Just I think that you can go through seasons of, of like, I
think that love can always remain regardless of like, but
it's important to have like. But there are, I think I do
believe because I've been married now for eight years,
there have been seasons of I don't really like you right now,
but I love you and I'm here for it.
And another time seasons where I'm like, Oh my goodness, I'm so
in like with you, like, you know, I can't keep my hands off

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you. So like it's a, it's an evolving
thing. As long as there's two sides, I
think that are committed to sticking it out.
I mean it, dude, it's just like,well, you know, you're saying
about Iron Man training. I, I really believe it's similar
to where you have the role of thirds.
Third of time, this is amazing. Third time, it's just like
you're kind of going through, you know, kind of stoic.
And the other third of time is like, this is so hard.
I don't know if I'm going to make it.

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And as a human, if you can continue to make it around that
circle of thirds, then that you just got to know that you can
get back around to that really happy time or that stoic time.
Yeah, that's a very good way of putting it.
Love versus like, you know, because it's like everyone, you
know, experiences like, and I think people mistake like for

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love a lot of the time and then like goes away a little bit and
they freak out. Yeah, it's hard to because,
dude, we live on social media and it's like, yeah, oh, look at
this hot woman, you know, and you're scrolling through and
it's like there's just girl after girl.
And those are the ones that get attention because we're all
animals at our core. But like that, that it's a level

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of infatuation. And that's a part of the piece.
Like you can't marry someone or could be with someone for a long
period of time that you aren't like, physically attracted to.
But it's so much deeper than that.
Like how long have you been dating?
It's been like 2 1/2 years. Yeah.
So it's. It's not that long in the grand
scheme of things. Like it's still, I consider it
to be pretty very young, you know, as far as relationships

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go. But at that point, it's like you
pretty well know that person. You're still going to learn
more, obviously, when you guys moving together or, quote, UN
quote, get married or whatever. But at that point, it's like the
shimmer has waned and you know how to find it when you need it.
But yeah, you learned that that person has some flaws.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I always think back to

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again, just my parents, They they got engaged six months
after they met and they never talked about it.
Like it was crazy. And I'm just like, how can you
like cuz I would date a girl forsix months in high school and be
like, how did you know? You know, you guys wanted to get

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married after six months? You guys are crazy.
Like you didn't know. And they're like, dude, you are
15. Like we had been around the
block a few times. And, you know, like, what are
the, what are the red flags? You know, like, how do you, how
do you cross people off? What are the boxes that need to
be checked? And, you know, at that point,
when you're in your early 30s, six months is enough time to get

(33:38):
to know someone and say, what are your values?
And yeah, make a decision about a lifelong commitment.
And I I guess in some cases people could say that and
potentially be wrong. But in this case, again, you
know, my parents are still cooking so.
Yeah, well, I mean, you said they've been married for 30
years, 30 years ago. You know, you're like mid
1990's. The Internet has really taken

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off. I feel like now, at least when
as I was growing up, there was like this false sense.
And maybe it's not a false sense, but there are more
options. You can connect with more
people, but it's like the illusion of more choices because
you can be connected with so many more people.
Like back in, you know, let's just go 100 years ago or even
200 years ago. It's like, well, I'm from this

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small town and there's Billy's sister and she's kind of cute.
And, you know, who can I, who can I like sort of get along
with? And then you make the decision
and all right, we got to make this work because it's a, it's
kind of survival. Like we have to live and survive
now, you know, can we fit into that puzzle with each other?
But I still think that there would always have been, you

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know, a quote, UN quote, someone, someone better, you
know, like there's Billy's sister and then there's Joe's,
Joe's sister and then the New Girl that, you know.
Comes into town. Yeah, the new farmer or whatever
it is like. And yeah, it's magnified by the
millions, I guess many, many orders of magnitude now.
But I think that concept of always feeling like you might

(35:06):
have another option would have always been there, at least for
for certain personality types. And I don't know, maybe that's
maybe that's true with triathlonas well.
Like you like, would I be betterat a different sport?
Would I be better with a different coach?
Would I be better with a different training style?
Is this the race I should do? I love this quote.

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Don't make the right decision. Make the decision right.
Because they're, you know, what even is the right decision?
Who, who is the right person? There's probably so many people
you could meet that you're compatible with thousands, 10s
of thousands, you know, and at acertain, at a certain point you
met, you met somebody at the right place in the right time.
And you know, you have to decidewhat, what kind of life do you

(35:51):
want to live? What kind of person do you want
to be? And, you know, I want to be the
type of person who is, who is loyal and is committed and
doesn't, you know, it doesn't get like my head turned, you
know, swayed away by like, shiny, shiny new things.
That's the way I think about, you know, my close

(36:13):
relationships. That's the way I think about,
you know, even this sport I tookvery seriously because I was a a
track runner and I had I was like, this is something I want
to, I'm committing my life to. And I saw a triathlon, even
though it was kind of adding twosports, I saw it as giving up to
a certain extent. And I was like, OK, I've been
doing this running thing for 10 years.

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If I pivot here, there's no going back and there's no
switching again. Like, this is this is it.
And I'm absolutely going to figure out a way to make it
work. And you know, that's just,
that's the way, you know, I wantto live my life.
With that commitment that you'vemade now the with you've been in
triathlon for this long, do you ever have a temptation to think

(36:58):
about, well, maybe, maybe running, just running would have
been OK. No, no, I'm so convinced of my
my own potential in this sport being far, far higher than it
ever was in running. And I think once you've done
something for a decade, you havea sense.
Of yeah, it's a good point. Where yeah, where you're like, I

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think so. I ran, you know, sub 14, the 5K
back when that was like a decenttime.
Now it's like everyone and theirmother in college is running
that I ran. I cannot.
No, I'm, I'm saying like at the top level, it's like, you know,
now that instead of being like 15th in the East Region, I would
be 200th. And at that point you're just

(37:42):
another guy. You're not even scoring at your
conference. You like you don't might not
even make your varsity cross country if you're at a a Power 5
school. Yeah.
And then I ran 751 for 3K, whichat that point was 17th fastest
time in the NCAA, which is like I maybe was at the point where I
I could have gotten like a smallrunning shoe contract.

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And I was like, I had begun to really, maybe I would have had a
self limiting mindset and I was still young.
I was like 21 or 22 and maybe I could have exploded and gotten a
lot better than I thought. But at that point I was like,
OK, well, maybe I can be a, you know, 13O513105K guy, which at
that point would have been like,you're, you're a a super dark

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horse for the Olympic team. You're constantly like making
finals, you know, making a living, but you're not making a
lot of money. And, you know, you're like,
you're, you might have, you know, sort of a loyal fan base,
but you're not well known on theworld stage or anything like
that. And that's kind of the level I
thought that I could get to is like a decent staple on the

(38:53):
American distance running scene and now in triathlon.
And maybe this is like credit tothe coaching, but I had kind of
just thought maybe out of sheer ignorance that I could reach a
much higher level in triathlon. And not only do I believe that
now I think I'm like knocking onthe door of it.

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So I feel validated, but also it's only been four years.
So in my mind, I have, you know,810 years to go before I can
really think about what's the next thing I'm doing with my.
Life. Yeah.
Interesting. Well, first of all, I really

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appreciate the way you were ableto articulate that journey
because I didn't hadn't ever heard the perspective of
somebody who was in the running world and how it comes to
triathlon but with that level ofdetail.
So that's really fascinating. I'm sure people loved hearing
that. But now that you are committed,
you've got the belief in yourself, Let's just say that
you get to quote UN quote where you want to go.
And I understand that everyone always has a new level of once

(39:58):
you reach 1 pinnacle, you have somewhere else you want to go.
So we can argue about that in a minute.
What that exactly that is. But after triathlon, I mean,
it's kind of leads to my next question.
What do you, what would you wantto do after?
And then I'll ask the question actually about the other.
Question Right now the thing kind of going through my head is

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like at some point in my life, because I know that athletics is
a is has a clock on it. You can't do it at a high level
forever. Right now is the window, but you
know, making music is something that you can do until you you

(40:39):
know probably until the day you die like the you know like you
can do it if you're bedridden, that sort of thing.
So that's the other thing that I've always been really
passionate about, but has definitely taken a backseat as
I've gotten more and more serious with training of like
one day I want to get back to that.
And, and I want to do that with the same level of aggression and

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commitment that I had brought totriathlon in my 20s and 30s.
So it's like very far off, very nebulous right now.
I don't know what it'll what it'll look like in a decade, but
that's the thing that I, but youknow, I, I, I'm almost 30, I'm
28 and since I became almost conscious, you know, since I was

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like a young teen, I loved musicand I loved running and I've, I
have felt like those are the twosides of me in many ways.
And again, the, you know, the athletics has a has a clock.
So I'm doing that now and then afterwards we'll we'll see.
But I think pursuing music in a,you know, I don't know if it
would be in a professional fashion or exactly what it would

(41:57):
look like, but just really giving myself time to do that
for a long, long period and see like what kind of stuff I can
create. Yeah.
Oh, I'm glad you brought that upbecause I was going to ask like
I know that you are very creative individual obviously
with the music and just the other stuff that you have going
on or have good done in the pastin your different outlets.

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So with this increased level of training and just focused on
athletics, do you feel like thatthis is enhanced or inhibited
your level of creativity? Inhibited.
Yeah, I feel, I think creativityrequires energy and maybe, I
mean, maybe there's a maybe there's a world where my habits

(42:41):
are, are different or there's somebody, you know, I get to a
high enough level where there's somebody doing more stuff for
me, you know, and I have more time on my hands.
I don't, I don't know how that would even work.
Like I don't know where the timewould come from or the energy
would come from. But yeah, it's so like I, I feel

(43:01):
like when I sit down, you know, when I do have time and I, I sit
down and try to, you know, make a beat if I'm like tired, if I
have that sort of frontal lobe, you know, lack of glycogen,
right? It's all going to like
replenishing muscle glycogen. Like the brain needs energy.

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I just end up feeling flat. And I don't, I don't like
anything that I'm making. You know, I don't hate it
necessarily. I'm just like, I don't know
where to go with this. You know, I've laid down a very
basic beat. I don't know how to turn it into
a song. And I think a lot of it comes
down to a lack of energy. But again, it's very, it's very

(43:44):
conscious. You know, I'm very conscious
with where I'm putting my energyright now.
Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned that with like sitting
down to make something and like you're not loving it.
And this is a lesson that I'm about to share a little bit that
I have not learned yet. I know that it's true and I know
that this is the process and howthings should work.
And this could be applied, I think, to anything in life, from

(44:05):
endurance sport to the artistic endeavors.
But so my father, my that fatherwas a painter, a pretty good
one, I would say. I have a lot of his artwork that
I need to actually hang up on these walls.
But when he would sit down to, let's just say, do a basic oil
painting or watercolor, he wouldinitially kind of draw out the
architecture of whatever it was he was going to do with like a
light pencil. And then he, you know, he would
kind of add some of the color. And for the first little while,

(44:27):
I guess as a kid, it all looked cool to me.
But as I've gotten older and realizes, you know, I go down
these these roads myself, whether it's drawing or
whatever, it takes a little bit of time for that thing to come
to life to start to take form enough to where you can like
really take pleasure in your ownwork.
So whenever I've sat down to like write a song or record
something, guitar, piano, whatever, I often times will hit

(44:49):
this point where I'm like, I hadthis blast of inspiration.
I go to write it down or do it and I sit down and this been
like 1520 minutes. And then, you know, like you
said, it doesn't sound that great to me.
And then I just, I let it die. But for those who can stick that
process out, I think that's where greatness comes from.
And there are some artists, music artists who are like, I
heard this tune in the shower and I wrote it down and I had

(45:09):
the lyrics in 5 minutes and it was a wild hit.
And like, that does happen everyonce in a while, I guess, but
for the majority of things, it'slike Iron Man training.
I feel like you have to stick with it.
And for whatever reason, artistics or if that's a word,
it's so hard for me to believe that process and follow through.
Is it the same for you? No, I, I have experienced it

(45:30):
many times where I do have that,that wall and I'm just like,
let's try something else. OK, that didn't work.
Let's try something else that didn't work.
Let's change, you know, go threesteps back and change this
around. And then eventually it's just
like, oh, shit, I'm so glad I stuck this out because this is
like, yeah, this is so good. But it takes energy.

(45:56):
It takes time. You have to keep trying.
You have to keep banging your head against the wall.
And like, you know, again, I would love to immerse myself in
that more often. But, you know, just you think of
the energy that it takes to be like this isn't good.
I have to sit down here for another 20-30, forty, 60

(46:18):
minutes, who knows how long it'sgoing to be and just keep trying
until it becomes something good or, you know, maybe it never
becomes something good. And then I just trash it and try
again tomorrow. You know, it's hard to do on,
you know, when you're trying to to be a professional in another
area that just requires physicaland mental energy.

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Yeah. Do you find that it's similar
with the stuff that you do with YouTube?
YouTube, I don't I no, I think sometimes I can get into a flow
with YouTube, but I don't I don't feel like super creative
when it comes to YouTube. I'm not like a filmmaker.

(47:01):
I'm not like, I don't feel like like Eric Lagerstrom.
I have immense respect for, you know, the way he.
It is a yeah, it is an art. I what I would love to do
another vision I have of when I become a a very big, rich,
successful triathlete. But you know.
One of the first things I'm doing is I'm hiring a team of

(47:23):
like one or two guys, like full time camera guys, film and edit
and we'll make, you know, every week or twice a week or every
other week. I don't know what it is.
We're going to make a a kick assYouTube video of some sort and I
will have next to no part in thevisual side of it, but I will

(47:45):
score it. I'll score and you can go back
to some of my older YouTube. Videos I did.
With my friend Johnny, where he was, he was the king of the of
the visuals. He was getting all the shots.
He kind of had the vision there and he show me what he has and
I'm like, oh, this is cool. Like I'm going to, you know, I'm
going to get to work on bringingthis to life musically.

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And that was so much fun. That's the most fun I've ever
had making videos. Like if you go back, we did some
when I was training with Lionel both in 2021 and 2022 that, you
know, I was living with Johnny and we were just like filming
all the time. And it was that was fun.
I don't really enjoy doing it myself and like having to take
the lead on the filming side of things.

(48:29):
And again, yeah, it just comes back to music being the thing
that I'm passionate about and brings me joy.
That's sweet. So whenever you listen to music
or create music, you know the feeling I get, I get certain
feelings whenever I listen to certain things and it's like,
oh, I want to chase it again. And then you play that song on
repeat until you just beat it todeath.
When you create music, are you chasing the same types of

(48:50):
feelings or is it a different thing?
I wouldn't say I'm chasing anything.
It's a very clean slate. You know, when I open up the
project, I don't, you know, there's different workflows I
have that lead to, you know, sometimes I open it up because I
had just listened to a song or acouple of different songs and
I'm like, oh, I want to try to make something like that.
And honestly, when I go in with the intention of trying to make

(49:13):
something like that, it either doesn't sound anything like that
or I again, I just don't like it, you know, because it's like,
well, this isn't me, this is somebody else.
And yeah, it's a super just likeopen book.
Like I have a sample library, it's called Splice that I'm and

(49:34):
I've paid 10 bucks a month and it's like millions and millions
of royalty free samples of like every possible sound, you know,
and, and sometimes I'll just go,I'll scroll through there and
find like some cool like old time piano sample like in the
saloon and be like, oh, OK, I want to make something like hip
hop beat out of this just like chop it up.

(49:54):
And so I, yeah, I like going in without knowing what it's going
to end up being. Yeah, so I have a totally
unrelated question. Yep, with your mustache you have
been grown this thing for how long?
Was it 2018? Is that how long it's?

(50:15):
Been like it might have been 2018 or it could have been it
might have been 20. I want to say it was like
November of 2018, something likethat was the last time I had
like fully shaved. Yeah, and it's now become full
and well like your brand. So do you think it will ever

(50:35):
leave? I don't.
Know you ever get tired of that?No, not really.
I think there's there's a fear of shaving it.
So it's like. Who am I?
Yeah. Oh my God.
My identity. Yeah, who's a?
Mustache. Yeah, it would be crazy.
I mean, I, I think I would love to go do some arrow testing and

(50:56):
figure out like, is this actually costing me something?
Because if it was costing me something significant.
You might drop it. Yeah, I'd probably go without it
or shave it the Super short. Like Oceanside accidentally
shaved it super short. I think I might do that.
Again. It grows back fairly quick and
it seems like that that's not I would really.

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I don't think that's costing me anything aerodynamically or in
the water. Yeah.
So I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I don't know the
answer to that. I like it, is what it is today,
and maybe I won't like it tomorrow and it'll be gone.
Oh, wow. So it's like not yeah, yeah,
you're not that married to it. Well, you did like a didn't you?
Do a bet with Justin. That was crazy.

(51:40):
Because I was like kind of hoping that you would have to
shave it. Oh man, yeah, no, during the
race. So the bet, the context here is
Justin reality. And I had a bet going into
Oceanside about who would beat the other and he put $500 down
if I put my mustache down. And in retrospect, my thought in

(52:05):
the moment was, oh, OK, because it's a cool 500 bucks.
You know, I'm like a struggling like mid level pro triathlete
like that could. That's like 4 sets of new tires
for the races like that goes over.
That's a flight to my next race.Yeah.
And the mustache will grow back.So I should definitely there's a
good decision to take it. I should have tried to get more
money. Yeah.
I. Was gonna say he probably would
have. I know he's doing well, yeah.

(52:26):
Should do like 1000 or 1500 nexttime, maybe more.
And then yeah, in the race. So I hadn't ridden my I had like
everything going like not wrong going into the race, but I
didn't have a bike until six days before the race or I had AI
had a road bike that on the trainer.
I couldn't ride outside. Because you were like, getting

(52:48):
it fixed or something, right? Yeah, I was getting carbon,
getting it carbon repaired because it was just like cracked
to to like I couldn't ride it. And just all the estimates were
going over in terms of when the carbon repair was going to be
done, in terms of when the shop was going to have it built back
up. And I got it back like, yeah,
three days before I travelled, got a couple rides on it.
And then, yeah, Justin reality has a great swim, goes off the

(53:11):
front front on the bike and he has AI want to say a 12 minute
lead on me coming out of T2. And this is funny because our
our mutual friend, Evan Price, sorry, Evan Price was there on
course and he said Justin's got a 12 minute lead, He's leading

(53:33):
the rate. Well, he actually lied.
He told me it was like 10 minutes because he thought 12
minutes was too much. I wasn't going to be able to
mentally handle. That it was just big enough,
yeah. He was like 10 minutes.
He's like, yeah, he'll be able to do that.
He was like, Justin's leading the race.
He's in First off the bike. And I was like, oh, that's
great. He's going to be like soaking up
this TV time and he's going to go out way too hard and he's
going to blow up. And that is what ended up

(53:56):
happening. But halfway through the race,
you know, so I thought I had a 10 minute deficit and I get
through the 1st lap and I hear 7minutes and I was like, I only,
I took out three minutes of a 10minute deficit on it.
Like, and I'm running well. Like I was like I was running
one O 9 pace and I was like, Oh my God, like Justin's having a,

(54:16):
a great day. And I can't believe I bet my
mustache on this. Like I'm going to have to shave
my mustache on Instagram live. Like, oh, this is the worst idea
ever. And then like less than a mile
later I heard 6 minutes and thenat the last turn around, so I
didn't get any, didn't hear any splits for a while.

(54:38):
And going into the last turn around it was like 2 1/2 minutes
and I was like, oh man, we have like 2 miles to go.
It's too much. I'm still not going to get him.
And then 800 to go, I saw his bright yellow kick up in the
distance and I still was like, Oh no, because I can see the
finish. Like you can see the finish a
kilometer away. And I was like, Oh no, it's too

(54:59):
close. I'm not going to get him.
And I looked down at my watch and I saw like 20 point 4K.
So it's, you know, 600 to go. And I was like, I've done so
many track workouts, so many like run races in my life.
I can kick for 600 like I know Ican't.
I can go right now. And so I just sent it.
And this is another funny momentI just remembered.

(55:23):
So Braden Curry was between the two of us and as I was coming up
on him, I hid behind. Braden.
Just in case he looked behind because I was like, if he's like
dying right now but kind of has a second wind like and he sees
me, it might be too close to thefinish.
So I like, hid behind Braden until I got by him, just in case

(55:44):
he looked back. And then yeah, I got him like
304 hundred meters from the fashion wild.
And it was, it was an exhilarating moment because.
$500 Did you give him the finger?
No, no, I just went by and I knew that was enough.
Passing him was enough. And then, yeah, he, he paid up.
His buddy was filming for his YouTube channel and he paid me

(56:06):
on Venmo on camera. So oh, that's so funny.
Oh man, what a good story. I know.
And you guys have still been doing, like, have you guys still
been doing a podcast? No, he stepped away.
Just stepped away. No, we've been we've been doing
one on the triathlon hour Patreon, still me, him and Greg,
which has been a really fun time.
Honestly, just like to to get, you know, three guys who love

(56:28):
training, love triathlon, just to sit down and chat about what
we did. Like, you know, I don't know if
it's the kind of thing that has mass appeal, but for kind of the
the like loyal followers, I think they enjoy it and we enjoy
doing it a lot. It's kind of just.
Community it's. To kind of have a phone call
with your friends, Really. It just so happens to be

(56:49):
recorded. Yeah.
And that's where the bet came from as we were doing the
podcast leading into Oceanside. And we were both like, I'm in
such good shape. Well, I'm in such good shape.
Well, all right, Who's gonna win?
Yeah. And that's the bet was born.
That's awesome. So you guys are still doing it.
I'll have to link that in the show notes for people if they
want to check it out. Yeah, like the it's is it on
Patreon only? Like you have to go there, pay.

(57:11):
Yeah, yeah, it's a Patreon. OK.
Patreon, it is behind a paywall but it is worth your money and
we are getting a share of it so OK.
Nice. Yeah.
So Jack keeps on like, giving methe carrot.
He keeps saying he's going to beon, but then, like, he won't
commit. What do I have to do to get this
guy to commit to like stick a date?
I catch him on a good day honestly.

(57:32):
Like I message him once a day, I.
Would say yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Jack is one of the most interesting people that I've
ever met. He is insanely intelligent in a
lot of different areas he's done.
He's like been involved in like,like MMA stuff, like training

(57:53):
MMA fighters, Aussie rules football, like I think.
When he was young, he was. Like a very high level tennis
player and then running, runningand and triathlon and you know,
sports that he did like AI don'tknow if he finished the law
degree or if he did just like a couple years of it.
And he has he has a sports science degree.
Like it's great. He's done like so much stuff and

(58:15):
he's definitely one of those ultra creative types of guys who
I think he'll get like he'll just like go super, super hard
on something. And this is the way he was like
at training too. He would go like just overboard
on training. I think you can see it in the
way, like, sometimes he'll just be like, banging out podcasts

(58:39):
for, you know, however many weeks on end and then, you know,
need a little bit of a break. So yeah, if you want to get him
on the podcast, I think you justgot to get lucky.
Yeah, I just met a catch. You got to catch him in a good
mood. I'm gonna message you got.
To catch him in a good mood. I'm gonna, I just messaged him.
I said brother just recorded with Ari.
I need to interview you. Are you in a good mood?
So we'll see what he says because he's been so back and

(59:01):
forth because one time he's like, yeah, I'll be on the pot.
I was like, OK, great. I'm planned out like 6 weeks.
He's like, what the heck are youdoing that for?
And like, give me all this. That's the.
Other thing you got to do it like it would.
Let's record in 10 minutes. No, actually, yeah, it's it's
tough, you know, I don't know that he knows what?
What are you up to tomorrow? Yeah.

(59:23):
Yeah, I think if he says yes, just just.
Just make it happen. Quit your job.
Do it, you know? What a prima Don.
Call in sick, whatever you're doing for the day.
That's so funny. Oh, cool, man.
Well, dude, it sounds like you've got a lot coming down the
Pike. You've got Placid.
Obviously you're getting to the Ironman block.
I'm assuming because Placid's like the last race that you
could potentially qualify for Worlds, right?

(59:45):
That's not really on. My mind to be honest, like.
If it's in the back of my mind of like, oh, if I got a slot,
would I, would I go? But I don't know.
It's, you know, I went, I trained in Nice with Penny
Slater last year and it's I've spent a lot of time on the bike
course. That's good.
It's a really awesome course, but also just the level I I
decided after Tapo last year, like I'm not going back to a

(01:00:07):
world championship. Honestly, I'm not really going
to a race of that level, period.Until you're ready.
That takes the fight the well, Iwould if it was like a driving
distance away or you know, like if it's outside the US and it
requires a kind of a large financial commitment.
And there's also, there's so much uncertainty with travelling

(01:00:29):
internationally with just on different time zones, like how,
yeah, like the further out you go, the better, but that's a lot
more money you're going to have to spend on, you know, housing
and that sort of stuff. And then you're in a different
country. What's the, what's the food?
Like, what's like, I almost friggin had a mental breakdown
in France because they wouldn't speak English to me at the

(01:00:49):
grocery store. And like, I didn't you, you have
to go, like, scan your fruit. Like if you're buying fruit or
produce, you have to go, like, scan it and weigh it out before
you get to the register, which is just like in America, you
just bring it to the register and it, like, weighs it on there
if it's by weight. Yeah.
And like, I was just, like, stuck at the register and like,

(01:01:11):
it's in this small town in the mountains, and nobody speaks
English there and they hate you if you speak English.
And I was just like, oh, my God,this is tough.
This is tough to be here. So you know, things like that
that you got to deal with. So but yeah, back to the I guess
the original question is I'm notgoing to do that again unless
I'm like I'm going to go here and basically make some cash

(01:01:34):
and, you know, have it be or like it's worth my while in
terms of, you know, sponsorship and exposure, you know, things
like that. So if I like podium, that Lake
Placid, you know, and the, you know, the field that's going to
be there is pretty insane. It's Trevor Foley, Cam Worth,
Christian Hogan, Hog Leon Chevalier is there.

(01:01:54):
It's like, you know, legitimate podium threats at like at Nice
are going to be showing up in Lake Placid.
So yeah, if I were to podium andget the slot that way, I'd
consider it because you know, maybe I can go and get top ten,
top 15, whatever. But yeah, if I like got the slot

(01:02:15):
from a roll down from like, you know, I still have a good race
and I get 6th, 7th, 8th, something like that and it rolls
down. Probably wouldn't go.
Yeah. What is the next thing that you
are looking for in terms of, like taking the next rung of, I
don't know, professional maturity in this sport?
I mean, obviously you would likethe podium, but like, is there
something that you're shooting for to get maybe a specific

(01:02:35):
sponsor or just that would make your life a little bit easier?
No, I think they're all all pretty internal things.
Like I could be better with my like just getting training done
early. I think getting training done
early get having like a better routine.

(01:02:56):
That's a big thing that Jack hasbeen harping is like, let's get
training done early. And yeah, I find it I would have
to be a lot better with my sort of meal prepping, you know, in
the in the days leading up and and just, yeah, having a
routine, being disciplined aboutabout things.
Otherwise, no, I think I'm on a I'm on a really good path.

(01:03:17):
Yeah. I think I could go for, you
know, some long, some big training camps with Greg Harper.
I think that would help if he was like on deck if I could.
Swim. On deck, yeah.
Yeah. If I could swim with Greg, you
know, like coaching on deck, youknow, like every day for several
weeks. I think that would go a long
way. But otherwise, you know, I think

(01:03:38):
I, I just have to keep doing what I'm doing and like honing,
honing my routine, honing the, Iguess the, the mental side of
it. Like I've mentioned, I think
early on in the podcast, you know, riding the highs pretty
high and the lows pretty low, just like trying to be more
balanced throughout the whole thing.
And I think that comes with experience.

(01:03:58):
Like it's my first Iron Man block, you know, I maybe I
didn't execute it as well as I did my, you know, I don't know
how many 70.3 blocks I've done, but it's been like three, 3 1/2
years of it. So it's like once I get there,
I, you know. I kind of.
Understand it. But yeah, it's my first Iron Man
block, so I'm, I'm, you know, giving myself some space to do

(01:04:18):
really well some days and do really poorly the other days,
and I will do a lot better on the next one.
Right on. So last question, do you think
you'll cry when you finish? That is a really good question.
I don't know. I have visualized myself crying
on. I won't cry if it's a bad day.

(01:04:40):
I. I would.
Only cry. I would cry if I won, probably.
Oh sure. Well, let's hope you win.
I think yeah. Or honestly a podium, I think is
is possible. I've never podiumed a race
before. And if if I were to do that on a
race of this level like that would be.
Top five podium or top three? Top three, top five.
I've been top five a bunch of Times Now.

(01:05:00):
Three times in 70.3, so that doesn't.
Care. Well, you're edging there, man.
Cool. Well, I'm going to try to get
some footage of you then at the finish line and see if I can
make a real from this or something.
You're going to be there. No, I'm not, but I'm sure
somebody will be. The finish line camera or
something? Cool it would be awesome to be
there. I thought about doing that race,
but just given some family stuff, it's just going to, it
was going to be too much, but maybe next year.

(01:05:21):
Yeah, love to get to see you again, but cool, man.
Well, dude, thank you so much for taking the time and jumping
all over the spectrum with me. It's always a good time and
really appreciate you making it happen.
Yeah, No, I I really appreciate.I feel like, you know, there's
no there we're not tied down on this podcast at all.
You know, I get to be like a pretty authentic version of

(01:05:42):
myself talking about things, youknow, yeah, that aren't, that
aren't triathlon that I know a lot of people like to hear
about. So.
So thank you. For that, yeah, man, Poop,
relationships, triathlon everything.
Yeah, we went through it all. Thanks, brother.
All right, thank you so much to all right for coming on the
podcast and for just letting theconversation flow as friends.
Really appreciate him for takingthe time, obviously with his

(01:06:04):
busy training schedule and for sharing in the way that he does.
Super articulate guy, obviously deep finger, creative, emotional
in the best way possible and very talented and all three
sports. So really appreciate him for
coming on. If you made to this point the
podcast. So just want to say thanks for
being here, Really appreciate it.
Check out the show notes in the description for the Patreon
episodes that Greg and Ari and Justin do.

(01:06:29):
It's probably a really fun time,so check that out and then check
out the SQ Socks link in the description if you want to get
some of those and support the pod.
Would really appreciate it if you're listening on any of the
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comment and review that really helps to continue grow us in

(01:06:52):
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