#193 – Lucas Bourgoyne — Fast Laps, Faith, and Finding Purpose Beyond the Podium

In this episode, I sit down with Lucas Bourgoyne, the 24-year-old U.S. Pro Criterium Champion who’s redefining what American cycling can look like. Lucas is raw, driven, and refreshingly honest — a kid from Texas who’s gone all-in on his dream and somehow still finds room for humor, faith, and a little cowboy swagger.

We talk about what it takes to grind for ten years for one perfect lap, how discipline and freedom coexist, and why stepping away from the bike can be just as important as the training itself. Lucas opens up about his parents’ influence, leadership, and the pressure that comes with newfound attention. This one’s not just about watts or wins — it’s about belief, burnout, and learning to stay grounded when the world finally starts paying attention.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hello and welcome back to the Stupid Questions podcast.
My voice is still crackling and I'm 33 years old.
How crazy is that? So anyway, today we're going to
be talking with Lucas. We're going.
He is the 2025 US Pro Criterium champ is on the team, Team
Cyclery. If you heard the episode with
Lucas, excuse me, with Luke justa few days ago, you'll recognize

(00:21):
that this is his teammate Lucas.So yeah, really good
conversation. Today we dive into his past a
little bit, up to present day, thinking about the future.
Really good conversation. I feel like I don't even need to
say much more, but I promise youit's really a good one.
Lucas is a very highly energetic, entertaining and
articulate guy with a lot of wisdom for his years of age as

(00:44):
well, so really appreciate him taking the time to jump on.
Make sure to check out the show notes if you want to follow them
with the team Cadence Cyclery and then also Lucas and Luke's
Instagrams. I'll link those in the show
notes. If you're here and you want to
support the podcast, also check out the show notes for ways to
do that. But yeah, I really appreciate
you guys being here. And without further ado, I want
to introduce you to Lucas Burgoyne.

(01:06):
There we go. Now we got lighting the best.
Lighting. The best lighting, Yeah, yeah.
Well, nice dude. Well, First off, I guess I
should say thank you so much fortaking the time to come on the
Humble Podcast. Really appreciate it.
Yeah, absolutely, man. I'm excited to to talk that
talk. Yeah.
So you were up till 2:00 AM lastnight.

(01:28):
How often do you do these training rides that last until
2:00 AM? Frequently anyone who knows that
rides with me. I'm a chronic procrastinator,
but my one commitment to myself every day is that whatever the
training plan says, we get it done.
So that means even if that meansI'm starting technically on the
next day. But but I started working out

(01:52):
because I lifted at like I thinkI went to the gym at like
10/30/11 for a couple hours and then rolled straight into an
hour, hour and a half a little spin my first day back and I was
not missing the first day back, that's for sure.
The. First day back from like what
you were taking some time off orwhat's going on?
Yeah, yeah, I took, I take a good little chunk of time off

(02:15):
every season. Last year it was 4 weeks.
The year before it was 5 weeks, the year before that it was 3
weeks, this year was 5 weeks. So that means no bike time for
me, but like I'll be in the gym pretty much immediately, like
3-4 days a week. Trying to kind of build up some
more muscle for the, for the, for the incoming season, do some

(02:37):
different stimulus, let my brainrefresh and reload from a long,
long year and season while stillstaying really in really good
shape. And you know, something a little
different so that the body and mind stay sharp.
I feel like we forget we're athletes, so we got to work out
and lift some big ass weights sometimes too.
Yeah, for sure. That's super fascinating because
the triathlon world I come from,I would say that most people who

(02:57):
even the professionals are chronic overtrainers and you
know, we're like, oh, I'm going into offseason for a week and
then they're like kind of still training and then they get back
into it. It's like, did you really take
time off? So 5 weeks that's that seems
like a good long time though to like focus on other stuff and
get that reset. Who influenced that?
I guess pattern of behavior? Yeah, yeah, I've had it.

(03:21):
It's it's a pretty standard thing.
And, and cycling, I know most, almost every guy I know does it.
It's just, yeah, man, you train so much.
I mean, it's like triathlon. You train so much every day, you
know, 20, you know, seven days aweek, 3030 days out of the month
that if you don't stop and, and get a reset.

(03:43):
I mean, I know a few, a few. The cautionary tale for me is I
know a few guys in the, in the, in the scene, especially here in
Austin where it's like they train 20 hours a week for 25
straight years and now they can't get their heart rate up
over a certain metric or they'lldie or they'll die, you know,
because they stressed out their heart too much and stuff like
that. And so it's like, that's always

(04:05):
my weary cautionary tale that sometimes a break is a, it's a
good thing for a body in it. And, and you need it to, to, to
reset you beat your body all down, down all year.
At some point it's got to have apoint to build back up and, and
be it be itself. So it's kind of it's kind of
where that came from and it's been something that I've found
great success with every year because I got a 5 month slog

(04:27):
ahead with training where there's no racing, there's none
of that shit. It's just me, the miles, the
weight room. And so you got to, you got to be
tenacious and hungry. And I think that off period
definitely gives me that like that fire.
You start, yeah, you start week one, you're like, I don't even
want to see the week 1 and two you're like, screw the bike.
This thing, this thing is ugly. Week 3 you walk by, you kind of

(04:48):
start touching, you're like, Dang, she looking kind of cute.
And then week 4 you're like, yo-yo, let me, let me.
And then week 5 you're just likewalking by, grabbing the brakes,
taking a roll around the neighborhood.
And then that's when that's whenyou know it's time and that's
when that hits. That's when you know the fire is
there. And then it's really it's

(05:09):
relentless and ruthless. Lock in for the next four or
five months because we got shit to do and places to be going.
So. Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah. So, so you're in Austin, is that
correct? Yes, Sir.
Yes, Sir, I am. Born and raised.
Born and raised Houston, TX so about two 2 1/2 hours away and

(05:31):
then and then I've grown. I've been in Austin.
I grew up in Houston my whole life up until I moved out for
school and riding when I was 18,and then I lived in Austin for
Austin's kind of been my home base.
I lived over in Europe technically for like 3 or 4
years where I'd kind of do like a 7525, like live in Europe,

(05:52):
live in the US. So Austin was always my home
even during that time, but I guess I was living over in
Europe. So been in Austin for like 6
years, but split time between Austin and Europe a good chunk
of that time. This is the first, I guess two
years now I've been fully home race in the US scene, doing that
whole shipping and focusing on that and getting to spend my

(06:13):
time time here. Yeah, what does it mean to be a
Texan? What does it mean to be a Texan?
Depends on who you ask I guess. Bro, no, I don't know It's it's
it's clean boots. Knowing how to deal with

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temperament, climate that for six months out of the year is
probably over 100°. That means you're finding a
watering hole every every chanceyou can get to cool off.
It doesn't mean despite popular opinion of all the EUR that I
have asked me. Do you ride your horse to
school? That is in fact, that is in fact

(06:56):
not true as much as I think that'd be so cool to claim that,
but no man, it's, it's a it's a pride.
It's definitely a Texas and Texans have a pride and and and
love for where they come from beyond beyond.

(07:17):
I feel like most places in the world, definitely Texas are
very, very prideful of being Texas and being big Texas and
all the things that come with that.
So yeah, man, I love, I love being where I'm from.
I wouldn't change it for the world.
I want to be here. Probably the rest of my my days,
just like Texas and I like the atmosphere and the the fuck you
energy sometimes brings. Yeah.

(07:38):
So can I curse on here? By the way, I didn't even.
Yeah, you can do it, everyone. Oh, I'm chilling.
OK, OK, Chilling, Chilling. Yeah.
Sweet, sweet. So, so with your Instagram, when
I first came across it, you know, obviously you got the
cowboy, the hats, the, you know,the shades, you're obviously a
talented cyclist and you have like this persona that you put
out there. But I'm according, I'm curious,

(07:59):
according to you, who is Lucas? Who is Lucas?
I'm Lucas. Boy man.
No, I'm kidding. I am a I'm 24.

(08:22):
I live in Austin, TX. I love to race my bicycle.
I love to spend time with my buddies and working out and
making ourselves better. I think that's who Lucas
Burgoyne is. Luke's Burgoyne is the pursuit
of something the greater. And if I can bring my boys along

(08:47):
the way with me as that happens,damn, that would be a wonderful,
wonderful way to get to live life.
Where does your source of motivation come from to that?
Like you say your boys, obviously there's there's a
value sit there like you care about other guys in the
camaraderie, but where was that fostered?
Is that like a nature thing or anurture thing for you?

(09:10):
Dodge definitely a, a parental thing, you know, like I'm very
aware I'm definitely a perfect blend of my parents and like, if
you ever get so do you get the pleasure or the chance to, to
meet them? I love them very much.
You would understand me, I thinkto a tee pretty immediately.

(09:30):
I think I get a lot of the so like what I can do on a
microphone, you know, in front of people at the end of a race.
I get a lot of that from my mom.My mom's very tenacious and and
bold and like, I mean what she she she works at this place
called the landing, which is a human sits the one of the
biggest human sex trafficking nonprofits in Houston.

(09:53):
So she's the she's the CEO therenow, as of like a couple months
ago and what not. So we're goings are doing, we're
goings are doing the damn thing.But you see that in my mom.
And then I think you see the absolute just obsessive Dr.
comes from my dad. My dad is a numbers guy, comes

(10:14):
from a, you know, a smart college and then like a big
accounting background and what not.
And so he's very much of that. And I always picked up from him
young that you start something, you see it all the way through.
And if you're going to see it all the way through, you better
do it damn well, because there'sno point in doing it otherwise.

(10:37):
And so I think when you get the perfect little of those two, a
little bit of maybe EQ from my mom and the, and the, the
willingness to run through a brick wall, if that's what it
takes because of my dad, that's where that's how you get leaves
for going. And yeah, man, I'm very grateful
to my parents. I got a very good system behind

(10:58):
me and it starts with them and it, it, it goes upwards, man.
Got a lot of good people around me, a lot of good people that
take care of me and want to see meets a seed and I can't name
them all here, but it all adds. It all adds together and it
makes me, makes me me. Yeah, good answer, ma'am.
I think that's a really good answer.
Who is Lucas? No, that was really great.

(11:18):
Thank you. So do you have any siblings?
No bro, I'm a only child, man. I got the life you've got.
I've got the everyone tells me, aw, you missed out, But I don't
really feel like I did. Sure.
I don't really. I don't really feel like I did.
I feel like I really. Yeah, no brothers and sisters,

(11:41):
but I did grow up with one next door to me.
Basically. I had AI kind of, I kind of got
really lucky. I had a Elena and Hara Lambos
pashas to my 2 Greek neighbors who were one and two years older
than me. So I grew up with a brother and
sister for 18 years of my life. Pretty much.
We were born and raised together.
So I didn't get get get lucky enough to get a brother and

(12:01):
sister do like my it was kind ofthe perfect blend.
I had my brothers and sisters, other than when I didn't want to
hang out with them or Christmas time rolled around and it was
time for presents and I got all,I got all the the attention.
But yeah, man, no brothers, no sisters.
That's fair. No, that's good.

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I think it's good to have that perspective.
I think everybody who stands on one, one side of the fence will
probably have a, a list of laundry items that would say
like, oh, This is why this was the best for me because, you
know, retro in retrospect, everything's a lot clearer.
So we talked about we talked about like the the nurture
aspect of, you know, a lot of the drive the to nice tenacity
comes from your mom and your dad.

(12:42):
So some of that stuff is obviously going to be nature as
well. Like you're going to get some of
that in your DNA just because that's the people that they were
when they created you. But I'm curious, you know, on
the tenacity side, the drive side, often times that stuff is
useless without discipline. So it sounds like you had your
parents there to, to guide and direct you in a, in a particular

(13:05):
way. But a lot of times for kids like
those disciplinary times can be very good, but also pretty
difficult. So what were some of the more
difficult times you that you might be able to recall that
drove you? Maybe the life lessons or things
that stick out for like, oh, This is why I'm kind of
principled in this way. I'm very strong willed.

(13:25):
I'm extremely, extremely, extremely strong willed.
And I think when you're young, especially when you have to
defer and listen a lot that can,that can, can bring about some
problems and what not. And I think that was a huge part
of of growing up and becoming mewas realizing I have all of

(13:51):
these assets at the at my disposal.
I have all of these, you know, upward trajectory things in my
life, especially being in cycling where it's an affluent
sport, man, you know, it's a, it's a, you get a lot of access
to a lot of, I mean, the, the, for the longest time, I would, I
would go up riding in Houston with, you know, one of the

(14:12):
biggest oil and gas execs from, from Exxon, a dude who's the CFO
at Whataburger. The, you know, you're just
running in that, that kind of crowd.
And so you have to, to, you haveto listen, you have to learn to
communicate very rapidly, especially as an only child.
I think that's where some of my communication skills came from

(14:33):
and what not only child and, andall you, all your, you know,
your parents are hanging around grown-ups.
So you better learn how to communicate with them or you're
going to just be a, be a family on the wall for, for a good
chunk of your life, which if youknow me, I don't, I don't live,
I don't live life that way. So I'm a little loud.
I'm a little, I'm a little bit all of that.

(14:54):
But I, I lost your original question.
Sorry. Where was the original question
and all that? Yeah, I was just asking like
with you, that with the nurture side of things, what were some
of the life lessons that you learned from your family that
were kind of difficult? And I'll give you just a quick
example. Like for me, one of the earliest
memories I have of, you know, hating discipline in the
beginning was just taking the trash out every day or having to

(15:15):
go mow the lawn when it's reallyhot outside.
You know, those are just simple examples.
But things like that, that kind of stick out is like, oh, I
learned this lesson and that principle from this time.
Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
Absolutely, man, Absolutely. Yeah, Yeah.
Was that a question to me? Was that for me to go to that
that was? That was that was the original
question, but you did a good jobwith going through so I can move

(15:36):
on to the next one. Fair enough, fair enough.
So with your, your dad, you know, he's obviously very
driven, like that kind of stuff.I'm curious to know, do you feel
that he's proud of you? Yeah, yeah, man, absolutely.

(16:00):
This was always the goal. This was always the goal.
This was always the dream. I think for for myself, he
instilled the desire to. I don't think really either of
us at the end of the day gave a shit where I made it to the top
of whether it was business, whether it had stayed in sports.

(16:21):
For me, I knew I wanted to be a professional athlete.
I think my dad always wanted that a little bit too.
So for us it didn't. I came from track and field.
They cross country triathlons, I'm way better at those than
I'll ever be at cycling and whatnot.
That's just the path I decided to pick and, and and go down.

(16:42):
But yeah, I was to achieve at the highest level in the
discipline that I did. It didn't matter what it what it
was. I could have literally been
playing over the net badminton and some pro badminton
competition. And if that's what we set our
eyes to, that's what we set our eyes to.
And so I think I did. I didn't man, I achieved the I
achieved the the highest level of crit racing was getting that

(17:06):
that jersey and being able to call myself the fastest man in
the US for for a day. And so I think that I didn't
have to do that for my dad to beproud.
But Oh my God, was it so worth it at the end of all of those
years, 'cause he's the one that's he's seen it all, man.

(17:27):
And so to be able to be like, I remember there being after and
just being like, we did it, we did it, we did it.
So, yeah, he's proud. I could say.
I could say he's proud for sure,yeah.
Are you proud? Yes and no, yes and no.

(17:56):
I think I have a lot to be proudof and grateful for and a lot of
things that have that have, have, you know, gone the right
way. And I've, I've worked hard to
earn them to go, you know, I've willed them into going the right
way. A lot of times, a lot of times
people will say it's luck or whatnot, but there's a lot of
willing things into existence, whether no one anyone sees it or

(18:18):
not. And so I am, I'm proud of
myself, but because of the way Ioperate, I'm always looking for
what's next. And so it may seem like I may
not be, but it's just the pursuit of something, that
pursuit of something greater and, and, and chasing it and

(18:40):
being gun, being happy and satisfied when you come to the
conclusion of that. And yeah, I mean, I'm proud.
I'm proud for sure. So you know, when you said your
fastest man in the US for a day,you finish that race, it feels
amazing. Did you, what was your
expectation of like what you would feel in that moment of the

(19:01):
victory and then after versus what actually happened?
I couldn't picture it because I'd never done it.
You know, you could picture 1000different scenarios playing out
after that race and Oh my God, what it what it would mean to

(19:21):
me. I have a perfect picture.
I just knew when the moment cameI wanted to stoke it all in
because it comes for 30 seconds and it's gone.
That was 10 years of work for one lap, to ride around for one

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lap and feel that. And so couldn't have told you
what that feeling was. Now sitting after the end of
that, that's what I will chase for the rest of my career is
that feeling right there that I felt after pro Nats.
That's the that's the addiction now.
And it was absolutely incredible.

(20:05):
I don't know for the like, looking back at it, going around
on that last lap and kind of sitting in and absorbing it in
and I had all these guys. That had kind of like watched me
come through Tyler Williams, Robin Carpenters, just like
seeing me and giving me a a hug like as we rolled around because

(20:26):
they could just see. I was just like, I mean, man, I
had shot for that title for so you know, it had been the aim
for 10 years, something like that, and then specified for
four. And I had dropped my chain three
of the last times I had participated in it.
Two of the times I had set myself up perfectly where I was
like, I actually have a legitimate chance of doing

(20:48):
really well. And that's not going to say I
would have won because you can never say that there was a
winner who won on that day, but I would have had a damn good
chance in it. And for 1000 days, I just had to
sit and watch my chances evaporate, not because of things
that I was doing, but because mybike would literally just
malfunction in the race. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't have a bike problem all year.

(21:08):
Nationalist malfunction. And I'm like, yeah.
And it would usually be inside the last, like two or three
corners where I'm like, I've played it right this year.
I've made it. This is it.
This is the promised land. I'm landing on that podium drop
chain. I'm like, what?
Why? Why am I in corner one watching
50 guys go by me right now? This is crazy.

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That is crazy. So on the day that you on the
day that you won, then like was your mindset similar?
Like I've I'm here on the promised land my chains on.
Or were you more focused on not taking the wind mentally before
it was actually there? I, I went into nationals and it
was funny because like my parents were there.
They knew this was the big one. We knew this year coming into

(21:55):
nationals, I was flying. I had already won like 5 or 6
races by that point. I was like outright favorite.
So there's a lot of, there's a lot of pressure.
There is a lot of pressure to goin there and perform.
And I think the biggest thing I've picked up from all of my
years of doing this, like I've done high level sports since 8

(22:17):
years old and people might be like, oh, you can't do that.
It's like, OK, go do summer track at the Junior Olympics in
Houston, TX under 100° heat at nine years old expect you know.
And so it's like that performance has that performance
aspects always been there in my whole life since I've really
learned. I've probably done between

(22:38):
running track and field, triathlons, cross country,
indoor track and cycling. I've probably done and the since
I was 8, probably 2 or 3000 competitions now.
So it's like I'm prepared on theday and what brings me
preparation on the day is to treat it like it's every other
day. I knew it's the I knew it was
the national championship, but Itreated it like it was my local

(23:00):
driveway here at home. I rode my pre race before it was
a 50 minute ride from our house to the National Championship Rd.
course. We rode all the way to the
course because that's what I would do at a driveway.
I'd ride to the driveway and then and then you get to the
line. It's all about staying calm,
staying out of the noise of it. And then you've prepared.

(23:25):
You've done what you can do. And I knew that.
I knew that coming into this year.
There was no better Lucas Burgoyne that was going to touch
that starting line than the 1 I had right there.
So it's done. It already been written what was
going to happen in that race. There's nothing else I could
have done. Eaten, drank, done and prepared
in training, stepped back, sleptmore.

(23:47):
I was like, I did it. I did it this year and I gave
myself every opportunity. And I think that and I and I let
go of the expectation of the result and just went out there
and rode like a, like a, like ananimal, you know?
That's fascinating. So if you, you know, we've
covered a lot of ground right there, you're talking about many

(24:08):
a decade or more, actually more than a decade, you know, going
on what, 15 to 16 years of competition, thousands of races,
the preparedness that you're talking about having mentally,
you know, I've, I've heard that same mindset described to me by,
you know, Olympians who are getting ready to swim the 100
free and you know, they just quiet all the noise.

(24:28):
And it's whenever they aren't able to do that like that, they
get kind of messed up. So like that mindset you're
talking about is a is a big one and it and it can be easy to
kind of to say and explain, but to adopt that is another,
another story entirely, I would imagine.
Was it easy for you over time toadopt that mindset?
Or did you have like key people in your corner and mentors who
helped just talk you through that?

(24:50):
What did it take to believe like, oh, like I can't change
anything else. I've done what I can do stay
calm. Like what does that take?
It took a lot of time for me. It took a lot of time.
It took me choosing something that I think I truly wanted to
do because I think this is a huge struggle for me.
When I was back in track and field and running like I quit, I

(25:10):
quit running because of that feeling.
I didn't enjoy running. You stepped up to the starting
line. Running's a sport where if
you're the best, you're the bestand you're the best, you're
going to win 98% of the races that you start.
So I like cycling where it's like if you're the best and
you're the best and you're the best and you win 20% of the
races you start in a year, you're a God.
It's not like that. Running is just it is, it is

(25:33):
that that's how that's how it operates.
And so I think that gave me a big up on accepting the fact
that I needed to come to that realization as a young age.
Then picking cycling was my pick.
You know, my dad was in the running track and field.
That's how I got into it. So, you know, you kind of get in
by family ties. I didn't necessarily, I liked
track and field. I was really good at track and

(25:54):
field. I love the feeling of being good
at track and field and what thatmeant and whatnot.
But I don't think it was truly what I love to do.
And until I picked cycling and Icould go to the starting line
and justify, I want to be here because this is sick, then it
was really, really easy to kind of learn how to just all right,

(26:15):
let's get to work, boys. Yeah.
That was the that was the the mindset shift.
That was that was that was kind of where it occurred for me.
Yeah. And have you ever bounced back
to like where it's been? You almost lost it ever?
Or was it like from that day on?No, this is it.
I'm sealed, sign delivered. This is the way I think and feel
now. You definitely it's a, it's a,

(26:38):
it's an ever evolving thing. It's something you have to, to,
to keep on track. And the way I keep it on track
is like applying to that original thing we started talked
about right out the gate. Whereas if I know I did the work
and I know I put in the time, there's nothing, you know, just

(26:58):
keep the does it. You know, that's how I I don't
falter from that, that that saying or don't get worried and,
and can accept that is just because for the last 10 years, I
can say pretty confidently I didthe work.
I worked, man. And so I never, I never.

(27:19):
There was definitely sometimes younger in cycling where I was
still figuring that out, but where and here I am right now.
I've accepted it and it's a niceplace to be.
And I know that because I know at all shit man, first day back
and I like he had a bunch of work and I procrastinate all day
and now I got to go get the shitdone.
Well, I'll go out there at 2:00 AM.
That doesn't bother me, you know, like that, that, that

(27:41):
that's the expectation. And so that that takes all the
pressure off of me, all of this.That's the nice, nice thing
about it was I do the work. You don't have to worry about
too much else. And that's what we do.
So if you had to choose 1, you would say this is more impactful
for my overall performance long term?

(28:01):
Would it be discipline or like what you're talking about the
the the relaxed mindset of not applying pressure to yourself?
I think you have to have the discipline to get the relaxed
mindset. 1 doesn't come without the other.
I don't. I only have the relaxed mindset
because I'm disciplined enough to go out there and work.
Though it may not be the perfectconditions and though it may not

(28:23):
be the perfect environment. That's, I just listened to
Luke's thing yesterday and he said one of my things, which I
think is, is a key to recognize is I don't like, I'm not
perfect. I mess up.
I don't have the perfect training schedule.
I don't have the perfect this. I don't have, you know, it's
not, this isn't world tour whereit's everyday.

(28:46):
Yeah, Nah, man, I control a lot of my own life.
I make a lot of my own decisionsand food and whatnot.
And so I would be a great example of what Luke said where
it's like, I don't always make the right decisions, but I do
always make the right decision. That it's when it's training
time. It's training time and I don't
care if you're off an hour and ahalf of sleep or you slept 10,
that's what you committed to on the day and you'll get it done.

(29:08):
The hours need to get done. That's the expectation for the
mental, because the mental knowsthat it never has an out.
The mind will know that we get it done, and that sets the tone
for if we do it there. That sets the tone for when you
go up and you're doing intervals.
Damn, this interval hurts. Damn, this interval sucks.
Damn, I can't do this power. Get it done.

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Goes on up to the race. Damn, I'm shit in this race.
Damn, my legs hurt. Damn, this sucks.
Damn, I'm barely hanging on. You have a job to do, get it
done and it just keeps on, you know, you can just keep on
pushing that to every level and aspect of of life.
I think no. So when I shift gears a little

(29:51):
bit to what you said something earlier, you know, you said you
were, you're chasing that victory lap, that feeling.
Yeah. Do you think that that would
ever get old? Nah, no, maybe it will.
Maybe at some point in my life when Vikings not no longer my
center focus and whatnot, but we're not there yet.

(30:12):
So I can't even fathom a possibility where that that
finish line post up isn't the most absolute hit of the best
out of don't even know what you've ever had in your entire
life. Like that's a feeling you chase,
whether it's at pro Nats, whether it's at Tulsa, whether
it's at day four of Chicago gritin some parking lot, whatever.

(30:37):
That's what's like this chase. And and I hope it never gets
old, but I'm sure one day it will.
And I'm sure one day priorities and values and things will shift
and I'm fully able to recognize when that day.
Well, I hope I recognize when that day comes.
Honestly, I would like to bow out gracefully and not get

(30:58):
sucked sucked along and and dragged out.
That is definitely how I would like to go If I could go away in
this sport is to end my time. Have known I did what I wanted
to accomplish and get out while you're still while you still got
gas in the tank so that you can be like, hey, they didn't get
me. I got out.

(31:18):
I didn't get got. I didn't get got by Father time.
I I got it. I I did my thing and said bye
bye, I'm out. That's every I think
professional athlete would love to time that perfectly, because
that's always to be the debate, especially for triathletes in
the later 30s, you know, going into maybe early 40s.
They're like ah should I? Because the mind believes you
always have more, but truthfullythe body will end up not having

(31:40):
what the mental things you have,just the way good body.
Yeah, cycling. The body runs thin by 3233.
Usually there's some guys that are like legends that'll push it
past it and whatnot. But I think that's my if I
could, if I could tell you rightnow, it would be the end, the
end for me. The day we walk away is 4 pro
titles because the next best person has three right now.

(32:02):
Right now, there could be a there, There's a guy, there's a
really. Yeah, man, this is the the part
of cycling I think that has the most opportunity to blow up,
especially with where we're at in the US.
Long format Rd. racing, sorry, Americans don't care.
They don't have the attention span for it.

(32:23):
Not interested, you know. And so it's like long format Rd.
racing is not going to work. Cycle cross.
I mean cycle cross and mountain bike have the venues like crit
racing does where it's short format lap courses where you can
engage fans. I could definitely see both of
those work in, but they definitely need they, you know,
they, they, I don't know. We're, we're trying to get to

(32:45):
that level. Maybe maybe we're aspiring to be
at the mountain bike in the cyclocross level because they do
have a big show. They do have a big show.
So yeah, that's how I, that's how I see it.
It's the thing that were for Rd.biking in America will work.
And we're just bringing a new little flair to it and adding
some Instagram and some social media and just trying to tell
people about what we're doing. Yeah, so.

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Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. So then, you know, as you've
grown in popularity in this scene, obviously, I would
imagine you're relatively well known.
I even saw a clip where Lance Armstrong mentioned your name.
Have you heard that clip? Probably I'm.
Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So. Like that kind of that's got to
feel cool. So I'd love to hear how what
that was like for you for the first time.
But then also, you know, as you've grown in this sphere of

(33:29):
influence, I would imagine that people are trying to say like,
hey, Lucas, you know, maybe you should think about doing this,
or, Lucas, maybe you should comeover here and do this.
You know, there's a lot of tantalizing potential offers.
I don't know if that's the case or not, but I'd love to hear,
like, because you seem pretty solidified in your practice and
your discipline and what you want.
Is it easy to say no? Is it easy to say no to what?

(33:53):
Different like opportunities, I guess I'm kind of assuming that
opportunities are kind of comingyour way.
People are saying, hey, have youthought about this?
You want to come be on this pro team, Maybe you should come back
over to Europe. Maybe you should think about
long course racing. You know, you can maybe join
whatever EFF education, whateverlike.
Yeah, Yeah. No, I mean those, those not that
exact team, but like you know, offers to come back over to

(34:14):
Europe on a higher level than I ever raced over there before.
We're definitely presented this year and and it definitely you
had to make a decision, right. And I think two years ago when I
was racing in Europe full time and I was living in Nice, I'd

(34:37):
like my own place in Nice was making a good salary and I hated
it man. I hated every second while
living in the most beautiful place in the world.
Now I will say it was because I think I was a part of a French
outfit and Americans don't usually so well with the frit,

(34:59):
especially not in biking. Oh my God.
Tell me, Tell me why I'm so ignorant.
Yeah, dude, I, I, I, I couldn't.I think it's just from way
beyond the times of biking. I think that, like, honestly, if
you just had to, I think it's from way beyond the times of
biking. And also like, I do get some of

(35:21):
the frustration when you're like, like in the big cities in
Europe and like you have all theAmerican tourists coming around
and it's just crazy American tourist time.
So I think there's a little bit of derivative.
If I, if I could, could, could pinpoint it on two things in my
time there, I was like, why do these people just hate hate?

(35:42):
They do not like me for the way I, I am, right?
Like, you don't even know me. Just ride off pool.
You hear my accent. So you're, you're like, oh, OK.
You know, it's definitely, I'm definitely not a French, French
kid. I would get a little bit of a,
of a buffer at first because my last name is Burgoyne, which is
a very, very French name. And I'm like French from way,
way, way, way, way back. But yeah, it's just a hard, it's

(36:06):
a, it's a hard sell. They're, they're set in their
way ways people. And it's a very traditional,
traditional and, and traditionallifestyle.
And America is not that way, at least not not anymore.
It's, you know, it's loud, it's boisterous, it's crazy.
It's, it's that. And that's what I tried to bring
over there. And I don't know, it wasn't

(36:30):
quite well. It was really, it wasn't well
received until I just said screwit and did it anyway.
And then all of a sudden, I'm sitting there after a French
amateur race signing autographs with all the French people for
an hour because I wore my podium.
I wore my cowboy hat on a podium.
And they want to know if I do, in fact, ride my horse to
school. And they're like, oh, my God,

(36:50):
it's a real cowboy. He probably has guns.
Like, Oh my God, he knows what agun is.
It's like it's just all these like, stereotypes flood into
one. But yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know if there's ever a thing you could pinpoint
it at. It just might be cultural, and
culture is culture and some people like each other and they

(37:11):
don't. But you hated it because of
mostly that or just like the regiment around the culture of
even cycling, like you just didn't jive with the training,
the races. No, the regiment, the racing,
totally fine. Like I said, it's, you know, the
mentality is the mentality from before.
I took that same mentality to toEurope.
I think I definitely put a little bit more pressure on

(37:31):
myself in Europe because I was there for one purpose.
But I think that's ultimately what drove me away from Europe
was I was there for one purpose and that year the team I was
riding me with had promised me abunch of things and then it
didn't quite turn out the way that they had had said it was

(37:53):
going to go. Which is fine, I know things
change and what not. But that drove me out of Europe,
man. I was a sprinter doing climbing
races because they didn't have enough race days and they just
wanted to stick me somewhere so they could say they checked
their box instead of doing what they had told me they were going
to do. And so at some point I was, you
know, an American living in the most beautiful place in the
world with my sole pole purpose being over there to race a

(38:16):
bicycle. I don't even really get to do
that. I just get to train all the
time. Well, shit, man, if I'm going to
train all the time, I might as well just go sit at my home in
Austin where at least I can talkand conversate to people like me
and and enjoy this. And then that was the thought
process that then just kind of kick started like, yo, what are
we going to do? What's the decision?

(38:37):
What do you want to do with yourlife?
How do you want to do it? And I started, I played around
with crits in 2021 and I saw there's a, there's a lot of
opportunity, untapped opportunity.
Crit racing is very much in a state right now where not just
crit racing, honestly, US cycling as a whole, whether you
pick any section or discipline, it's in the state of if a tree

(39:00):
fell in the forest and no one saw it, did the tree really ever
fall? And that's why we focused in on
what we did this year with mediaand everything because at the
end of the day, we were just trying to inform people at least
of what was happening, whether we won, lose or draw
information's key because what we learned from it was though
the crit racing market may be small, you know, it's an

(39:21):
inherently small community. Cycling community is not.
And the cycling community has anappetite for people doing, has
an appetite for people doing cool shit on bikes and crit
racing is cool shit on bikes. And that's what we did this
year, Octane. Yeah.
Yeah, bro. That's that's quite the

(39:42):
strategy. Was that in terms of because
I've seen like the content, obviously it's a lot of you
know, instead 360 type shots, you have the power metrics and
then the speed and you know, yougot the cool music going.
Was that the strategy and the goal, like to grow the sport
while also chasing the title? Or is that kind of did that just
happen hand in hand because you're like, well, we should

(40:02):
show people what we're doing? Like what was the hope and
strategy behind it? It was.
It was. The goal was always to win a pro
title. Nothing else, nothing else
really mattered. That was the goal.
And then along the way of tryingto obtain that goal, I realized
that you got to make money to get there.

(40:23):
You can't survive off of off of goldfish and food scraps if
you're trying to become the US pro champion at fucking
anything, you know? And So what do I have to do to
bring money in media? Cool, OK, let's do it, Let's run
it. And then I found out that I
actually really do join media. And it turns out that I'm

(40:44):
actually really good at creatingtrending pieces of media on
Instagram, which is our main source of medium, our main
source of pitching to sponsors and so on and so forth.
And so it just kind of like by happenstance rolled together
that it's like, OK, this thing dropped in our lapse and we're
pretty good at it. Bike racing, OK, then the media
was like, well, we should do that.

(41:05):
And well, it turns out we're half decent at that too.
OK, well, let's expand upon that.
What if we threw an activation corner to get people out at
races off of our meet? Oh, sick.
OK, people actually will show. OK, now our brands are wanting
to do rides with. OK, we'll go do right.
Probably 20 people show up. 140 people showed up.
OK, sick. Like it just kind of all started

(41:26):
snowballing. And I think the the fact we had
a lot of good people around us that want to see us succeed and
this world is what opens so manydoors.
But we had to have an appetite and a willingness to say, yes,
yes, we'll take your help. It's going to be a lot of work.
It's going to be a lot of time. None of what we've done in the
last, you know, year, I'd say has not been absolutely all

(41:49):
intensively time consuming, but every bit of it has been worth
it. Every bit of it has been worth
it and paid out tenfold especially when in another fact
that I get to do it with all my boys.
I get to do I'm, you know, I figure this thing out, I push
this way. We figure out it clicks.
They buy in, they buy in and help.

(42:10):
They drive it forward. All of a sudden you have Luke
picking up insta 360's and Richard picking up Insta 360's
and these guys with you know, small following account.
Instagrams are now making viewership videos with 250,000
views and half a million views and 100,000 views every week.
Like it's water. And I'm like, OK, well, OK,

(42:33):
well, he's like, this is kind ofsick and everyone's paying
attention. Let's keep doing that.
And then I think that's just what they bought.
The barrage on that was the halfthe back half the season.
Like the first half, we were building confidence, testing
guys were coming into shape thatweren't fully in shape yet.
And then we hit pro Nats and that was like the we hit U 23

(42:55):
and pro Luke wins U 23. That's like, oh shit, OK, we got
motion. I win pro.
It's like, oh, OK. And then boom, Josh full tilt
from there. It's like, I mean, you think you
look at the back half our season, we probably had like a
70% win rate. And I think it's just that
confidence just electrified in that moment.

(43:17):
And then the perfect storm of that's when it it literally
happened after summer at Somerville.
It happened because we're figuring out through the start
of the year, sunny kings speed week, all this stuff.
We're getting the winds. You know, we're doing a little
bit of posting, but there's not much media on it.
So we're like it's kind of a little bit known in our small
space, but that's that's it. And then we start, OK, let's try

(43:39):
these insta 360 things. My buddy was telling me this is
really cool. We should OK, cool.
We make a video. Oh man, these things that people
like these things. OK, that's it.
Like axe urban mid-May time. OK, let's hit pro do this.
Boom, we hit pro. I don't race any of that set up
because I'm like fully locked inlike as fast as I can go.
No other things outside of that.And then I hit then then we then

(44:01):
we hit pro boom bang, just like that.
Ripped the lid off of everything.
Oh my God, everyone's paying attention now.
And then we just nailed the Insta 360 content at the same
time. All of a sudden I launched like
a Somerville video and it goes, you know, 300,000 views in a
matter of no time. And I'm like, OK, take it as it

(44:26):
comes. Take it as it comes.
We got to lean into this, boys. And that's the day I think Luke
and Richard ordered an Insta 360.
And then we just started turningand burning because from that
point on, that's when you have like a barrage.
You know, everything we did fromwhen was Somerville.
Somerville was Memorial Day weekend, which was like May

(44:46):
26th, I believe, was the date. That is the date I can pinpoint
was like, yeah, that was the turning point.
That was a few days after pronouns where all the things
the media clicked, the racing clicked, the the boys were
already had already clicked. And it was like, OK, OK, let's
RIP the Band-Aid off. Let's go boys, because we're
going to the moon and let's see how far we can get.

(45:07):
We're shooting for the moon. Let's see how far we can get
along the way there. And if we land somewhere,
somewhere out there, a damn boys, that's a that's a pretty
good, that's a pretty good placeto be.
Well, I mean, even it's really interesting you bring that up
because a lot of you know what you're saying, some people I
think would be like, all I need to do is have an instant 360 and
you know, maybe go do this and like, sure, I guess maybe you

(45:28):
could get there. But you're talking about a lot
of the pre work, you know, the you said the boys were already
locked in. So I would be curious to hear
and know about just kind of the preparatory work or the
responsibility and pressure thatyou were able to that maybe you
felt and like as a team leader, because I don't know if you're
technically like a team captain or, or what what your specific

(45:49):
role is. But in terms of your leadership,
like to get people to a place toinspire them, like, hey, this is
where we can go. And then they slowly get by and
over time like you had, you had the wood soaked with gasoline
before you threw the match in. So like, tell me about that.
The wood was soaked with gasoline.
Because of everything we talked about before this, because my

(46:10):
boys see that if I asked them todo something, I will also do it
myself. If I say this is the
expectation, like we said earlier, it gets done.
And so it's really easy, I think.
I think in life, a lot of times we're all looking for just

(46:31):
something to believe in. And if we have a plan and
directive and it's not a half a bad idea.
And from what I've learned, and this is just one guy saying,
hey, bro, we can do it. And then the rest of the guys
being like, OK, what are the steps?
And then I don't have the perfect steps, but I can at

(46:51):
least be like, we need to go here next, I think.
And then they're like, hell yeah, I'm in.
And then we get there and it's like, OK, that worked.
OK, that didn't work. OK, why didn't it work?
OK, why did it work? OK, how do we get to the next
step? It's just, I don't know if I'm a
leader, but I'm good at giving directive and just like, hey
boys, I'll be level with you. I don't know if it's going to

(47:14):
work. I think it really could.
I think it could be really beautiful if we nail and do this
right. But to get to where we want to
go, we got 28 steps in between and it might take 37 because I
make 10 mistakes along the way. But if we're all together and we
all buy in and we all lock in and we all believe each other
and we all pick each other up when the other one's down,

(47:35):
that's how this year happened. And that's why this year
happened because every one of those guys I raced with, it
wasn't just a race on the course.
It was a guy, it was a, it was afriend, it was a brother that I
knew no matter what, because I showed I had their backs 100
times over. They showed they had my back in
the race 100 times over. And then it got to the point

(47:57):
where I didn't even have to win the race anymore.
All of a sudden now we're even more confusing because Luke's
winning some races and Richard'swinning some races and I won't
be in a full ass lead out where we've won seven days straight in
a row, dropping me off at 200 meters to go.
And I'll go, damn, Richard's looking really, really nice
today. Luke, may you look gone.

(48:19):
Then they win the race and it's like that all of that
encompassing of the just giving a plan, going head first into,
oh, look at that. I got a little giving a plan
check. You got a first step.
Get wait, come on, come on. Don't do me like this now.

(48:39):
I know now it's not going to show up.
Give a plan, check mark, give a plan.
Go, go. One of the best sayings I ever
heard was from a guy down here in Austin, Dr. Greg.
And it was when, when he, we were, we were talking about
something and it was like, you know, do you go with your boys

(49:01):
or do you, do you, do you, you know, take this new, this new
turn or something like that and can't even remember what it was
in relation to. But it was like, he's like, hey,
man, go with your boys, Go with your boys.
Because at the end of the day, those are the guys that if you

(49:21):
believe in them and they believein you, if you lay yourself out
on the line for each other, something good's going to
happen. Everyone's going to eat.
You know, there's a lot of opportunity and upward mobility
that you can make for your yourself in this world,
especially in this space with the opportunities and the people
we've been afforded and gifted to meet.
And so take advantage because they, because that's the thing

(49:45):
I've learned is they want you tonot to take advantage.
Advantage is the wrong word but but.
Capitalize on. Capitalize on on the knowledge
that is readily available to youbecause those men want to see
you succeed. That's that's part of their joy.
That's why a lot of these old man master, in my opinion, all

(50:06):
these older masters guys ride isthey want to see the next
generation succeed. And so that comes on the bike
and off the bike, you know? Well, sad men.
Yeah, that's really good. So, you know, with every high
season, just like with every spring and summer, comes the
fall and winter, and then, you know, you kind of repeat that
cycle. So my question to you is, what

(50:29):
are you doing, if anything, to prepare the boys and yourself
for like a season of potential drought?
I the last, the As crazy as it may seem, as crazy it may seem,

(50:54):
my my metaphorical, you know, racing life, the wife the world
sees the last six months, the personal I've been living in
drought for the last six months.I just know how to race a

(51:16):
bicycle. That's been my, I know that's
been my piece that this hard time personally.
Maybe it'll get harder for me inthe future.
I don't think it will personally.
That would be pretty crazy if itdoes.
But I've lived through it this year.

(51:38):
I've lived through the drought and I've somehow managed to come
out the other side looking like I never never really did.
But I don't know if that's necessarily true.
And I think that this season hasprepared me a lot for and how I
will handle and manage what whenthat day, when those days do

(51:59):
come. You know, eventually I didn't
crash at all this year. I got very fortunate.
I like when I crashed one time and landed on my feet.
You know, that was my that was ayear.
Some years I'll break a collarbone.
It will happen. Some years Luke will break the
collarbone. Some years Richard might or
whoever else may be in this program and fold and, and you
handle the drought seasons the rest of the way we handle, it's

(52:20):
going to be the it's going to bethe name of this podcast.
It's going to you handle the drought season the way we handle
the rest of it, which is all right.
We got to make a plan and we gotto commit to it, you know, and,
and, and guess what? If we're all, if we're all
hurting, at least we're all there, all there to pick each
other back up. You know, that's how we prepare

(52:41):
for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I think
that's awesome and thanks for sharing that.
I I do want to cry a little bit.Like what for you personally?
Like what is something that you're going through that that
most people don't see? Because you like you said like
it's, it's on the outside. Everyone looks like, oh, the
boys in Cyclery, you know, Lucasand Luke, everybody, Richard,
they're all just like blowing up, going to the moon.
Wow, it must be nice. So what is it?

(53:02):
What's actually going on? I think with growing attention,
it can put a lot of strain on your personal life, a huge
strain on your personal life. And I think that's something
that I that was one of the things I wasn't prepared for
walking into this. And I preface all of this by

(53:24):
saying like, at the end of the day, it is the cycling sphere.
This is not NBANFL that kind of attention, right?
There's there. I want no one to be under the
guise that I'm trying to act like that.
But there is, you know, like I'mwalking, I'm walking good in my
sport. I'm doing good things, good
people that attract, you know, it it, it can it can it, it

(53:46):
Yeah. It's just, it's been a lot.
And yeah, it's put a strain on things, things back home.
But I think I'm coming out the other side of it, which is very,
very nice. I think I'm starting to kind of,
I've gotten to find the seasons over the sponsorship obligations
are slowing. The travel is coming to, you

(54:06):
know, season ended September 7th.
But I've pretty much been traveling every weekend up until
now and I still might even leavethis weekend for another crit in
San in San Diego. And I haven't ridden my bike in
five weeks. But like, yeah, man, I'm, I'm,

(54:27):
I'm taking it day by day. And you know, I think the the
biggest take away I could give anyone and what I realized is
you're not the only one out there dealing with it.
You know, that was what I focused on was God, what a
beautiful life I get to live. And even though damn, this
shit's hard in this background, like, what else you going to do,

(54:51):
bro? You got to, you got to deal it
head on, you know, and so and so, yeah, yeah.
I don't know. I don't know what the future
brings. I don't know what that what that
holds, but I know I'll take it head on when it does, when it
does come. And somehow I'll make it turn
out to be a year. You're like, that is the best,
that is the best way that that this you're going to turn out

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with all the stuff going on. And so if I could have repeat
that or, or half of that, man, like, shit, I'll take it.
I'll, I'll take it, man. Yeah.
Is it with what the stuff you'retalking about, like, you know,
going down, is that at all tied to when I asked you earlier, you
know, the first time and you came around, but I asked you

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like, are you proud of yourself?And you're like, yes and no.
Like, is that tied to what we'retalking about now?
No, it's not tied to what I'm talking to because I think that
was a very biking specific question.
And I'm very proud of what I've done on the bike.

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I've worked very hard to to, to do that.
This is just this is just life, man.
This is just the met the messy bits of life that you navigate
along the way. And they teach you how to be a
better and stronger person and man for what comes down to the
then cut what comes down the road.

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And that's what I keep my eyes focused on, you know, in the
midst of in the midst of all of it, what comes down the road?
What are we looking towards? What are what's the, what's the,
what's the Yeah, what's the end all, be all of it all?
And if I can just keep my nose there, I can keep my head quiet
enough. And if I can keep my head quiet
enough, I can ride a bike fast enough.

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And then that brings the bringing the bikes to peace, the
bikes to peace. I hit a race day.
That was a big thing. I think that's honestly why
maybe racing might have gone so well during such a tumultuous
time was it was the one place myhead would turn off for an hour,
an hour and 15 minutes. And all I did was race.
And yeah, I would just race, man.

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And I think there was some rage watts out there and some anger
watts and some happy watts and some just absolutely a few
watts. But like, yeah, man, it, it, it,
it, it, it, it was a place for my mind to go for a little bit
and find a place to just be, just be who I am.
And so, yeah, man, yeah. Do you believe in God?

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Yeah, I do absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
My family, I was raised religiously fully in on the
higher power. I think there's a bigger meaning
to this all. I think that it and no one has
to agree with me on it, but I think it's a very pointless
existence to live if there is nothing greater past this.

(57:52):
I think that you can absolutely to I, I think I think it helps
you. If anything, people will take it
the other way where it's like, oh man, you know, like I have to
be so goody 2 shoes and I don't get to live my life and da da da
da da. It's like, OK, maybe you take it
that way and you can look at it that way, but you could also

(58:13):
take it in the way where it's like it's teaching you the
morals and the things to be a better person.
Times have changed. Things that were true back then
aren't true today. And so there is things that are
open for interpretation and whatnot, but being the best,
best and truest version of yourself, which is what I think
that tries to teach you when youlook into the word of it all and

(58:33):
whatnot, I think that's worth something And that's meaningful.
And it gives a lot of people peace.
It gives a lot of people peace in this world.
And I'm, I am no one to take that piece away from people or
say that your, your way or belief or anything like that is,
is, is not valid or right. And no one has the right to do
that to me. Have you, have you ever heard

(58:55):
God's voice or they? Maybe not literally, although
that can happen I think, but if you ever heard it like him speak
to you directly in some type of a way.
No, no, I've never had. I've never had any.
Like, what is it? What do they call it?
Like a revelation or an epiphanyor, or anything like that?

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I grew up in the church. Like I understand the background
and the basis of what it means. I decided somewhere along the
way that I do believe in this. And I believe in it because I
think that gives life a meaning and a reason to live at the
highest level that you can live at.
And because of that, that's whatI strive to do, be and attain.

(59:37):
It's a good moral setting and a good moral compass.
And yeah, it's nice to to know that after 100 years of living
here that like it's a comfortingthing that, yeah, maybe there is
something beyond. Maybe I will go someplace and I
will live on for eternity because, you know, you really
look at it from a a bird's eye 360 view with what we're doing

(01:00:00):
in sports, with what we're doingand all of that.
At the end of the day, for many men, it comes down to legacy.
And so it's like you step back and, and, and what lives on past
you, that in and of a way is what lives on, you know, past
you. And so that's why for me it's
always just. It's never been a hard sticking

(01:00:23):
point. It's never a lot.
I've never been to like, oh, I got to thump that shit straight
in your face or anything right now.
But I know where I am. I know who I am and I know where
I stand. And I know that that's important
to me. And I know that it's important
that someone, that the people around me know that that's
important to me. And though I am not perfect and
I will make many mistakes, that will go against all of the

(01:00:44):
things that that stands for. Human, bro, I'm human and I'm
and I'm going to, I'm going to mess up and it's just getting
back on track. And I think that's what it's
about. It is a moral compass and a
guiding book of helping you align yourself and get yourself
back to where you belong to be. Beautifully said.

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So walk with me down this thought process for a second.
You're 100 years old on your deathbed.
You know, you've kind of fall asleep and to death.
The next thing you realize is like, oh, well, like this is it.
I guess I'm approaching eternity.
What, what in your mind is like the best case scenario of what
that actually looks like? What do you think that that
looks like? Like what do you do for
eternity? I'll tell you when I get there,

(01:01:29):
bro. I'll tell you.
I'll tell you when I get there. Maybe we'll see each other up
there. Maybe we'll see each other down
below. We won't know until we get until
we get there. I think you can know.
Yeah, what you can want, I don'tknow if you can know, but you
can want and you can hope. I think, I'm sorry, I meant know

(01:01:51):
where you're going. But yeah, I what will it be
like? I got no idea.
I have an imagination and we alldo.
We all look up at the stars and be like, wow, that's crazy.
But yeah, right. You can't really know.
So I was just curious. No, no, yeah, I don't know if I
I'm not, I'm not built that way.I think, I think that's a key
thing in talking to you because you look this this this podcast

(01:02:12):
has been looking very future forward, right.
And I think that coming to you and talking to you about this is
I definitely know a little bit like I have AI have a directive,
I know X where I want to go at. But I think the in between steps
and all the ways of, of how we got there and how that is the

(01:02:33):
most beautiful part because I never really had, I never had
the this is what I see. This is what I've done.
It's just like, OK, I was willing to leap and take the
jump. I was willing to step off the
ledge. Now we're falling and grab as
much as you can while you can before you hit the ground.
You know, like build. The plane in the air before.

(01:02:55):
Build the plane, all the pieces are all the pieces.
That's really what's you know, that's really what's happening
with this with with this, you know, the season before this
year's launch year going into towhat is coming next, how big
it's going to be next year. You know, like we had the year,
it's got to be bigger next year.Now how we going to do?

(01:03:18):
It. You know, how are we going to do
it? And I think all of those things
through this time, through this podcast, they make themselves
readily along the available along the way.
You just have to be willing and ready to one say yes and lock
the hell in because that's when the work starts.
As soon as you say yes, you're in.

(01:03:38):
You got to go, and you got to gowith purpose.
So my final question for you, because you are growing in terms
of like influence, what do you say to all the kids out there
who may be a little bit younger than you see your content and
like, man, I want to be like that when I grow up.
I want to do career racing and you know, do all this stuff what

(01:04:00):
and live that lifestyle. What would you say to them?
If you believe it and you can see it and you're willing to
work all the way, not just enough, not just to get there,

(01:04:26):
you got to blow through that door and give another 100%
because that's the only way shitwill get done in this space.
Go for it, man. There's no reason to be let go
of all the expectations you put on yourself.
That's the hardest thing for like a 12 year old is so much
expectation because they're looking at their dad, their

(01:04:47):
dad's like we got to win. And it's like, you know, the
kids. So that's where the kids
identity can get tied to and whatnot.
But none of it matters until youget a bit older, man, when
you're 1718, OK, you need to really be paying attention
because now the world, if you want to go to the world tour is

(01:05:08):
decided by that. You know, you're starting, it
starts to matter younger and younger for crit.
You get a little bit more of a buffer time.
We're showing that we're coming in and and being this youthful
wave into crit racing and whatnot.
I think that's going to provide a lot more opportunities for the
younger kids coming behind us because now we're showing it's
yeah, it really is. It's find a little bit of cash,

(01:05:29):
find a black minivan and pick upa $500 Insta 360.
And you too can get the viewership that if you're making
interesting enough things, you can push it out to this world
and you can have exactly what you want to have.
You just have to figure out do you want to go there?

(01:05:51):
And so, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's I think for these
kids, it's the best advice I could give is though you are
young though it though you have the opportunity to try so many
things. If you know you love something
and you know you want to try something, it doesn't matter if

(01:06:11):
everyone's telling you, oh, you're young.
You got to try 77 different things to know what you want.
Go full in the West way. I figured out whether I like
something or not is I went full tilt.
And then I was like, Nah, this ain't for me or Nah, this is for
me. I kind of oh, oh, I kind of like
this. Let me keep doing that.
Oh, oh, oh, OK, I'm kind of OK. And that's how it snowballs.

(01:06:34):
And then it's the willingness tosay that acceptance of yes, but
just take that step. Don't put too much pressure on
yourself. Work to learn.
I think cycling specific, the biggest thing I would love to
say to kids that I think a lot of people get lost on and see
it, especially because I run a coaching business and I do coach
some younger guys, is everyone pushes.

(01:06:56):
Power is everything. Power is a lot.
It is not everything. Skill is everything and
especially and what I do, skill is everything.
Spend time developing your craft, spend time developing
your cornering techniques, your bike throws, your sprinting
form, your climbing form, all these things that will then make

(01:07:18):
it easier down the road to use and apply this big engine that
you will have if you work hard enough.
Cycling is a sport where a lot of times if a guy is willing to
beat his head off the wall hard enough and has a little bit of
talent and he's probably willingto go over there and it is
willing to eat shit for a littlebit.

(01:07:40):
Because there is a time where you just got to sit there and
take it. You'll get to where you want to
go. You'll get to where you want to
go and that's it makes all of itworth it.
It makes every bit of it worth it.
Inspiring words, man. Well, Lucas Burgoyne, thank you
so much for answering my questions, for taking trip down

(01:08:00):
memory lane and focus on the future for a bit.
There you go. Now we got.
Confetti look, look, I can get Ilearned.
I learned we can also get fireworks a bit.
Boosh. I'm the I'm the I'm the the zoom
meeting man right now because I got all I've learned low key by
doing just the mannerisms. I'll do it.
Crit races and shit. I figured out like 5 different

(01:08:23):
like like cool background. That's so funny.
Well, dude, I really appreciatedyour time.
Yeah, it was really fun to get to connect with you and wish you
all the best as you figure out. Yeah, going into next year, I
hope that you are able to kind of figure out how to get back up
a little bit on a personal level.
But yeah, like as you know, and I think we all know with any

(01:08:46):
type of a sport that requires stamina, endurance, it's those
tough times we go through that make us stronger if we can find
the recovery. So.
Yeah, it it did. It was really cool.
Thank you for having me on here.I would say this is probably the
most unique podcast I've ever done because you ask a lot of
very interesting questions and questions that they don't
normally, you know, you get in behind you lifted the hood.

(01:09:07):
Thanks brother. Everyone, everyone knows my
results, you know, like that's the one thing you can find and
we can talk about the races. If you want to talk about the
races, there's also, you know, abunch of that out there, but
like this was really cool. Thanks.
This was really cool so keep doing your thing brother and and
it was an absolute pleasure to to get to be on here and spend
some time with you dog. Sick.
Thank you. Thank you so much to Lucas for

(01:09:31):
jumping on really good conversation with him.
Yeah, I think I want to start doing more of the professional
cycling scene just because it's super interesting to me.
And whatever I find curious, I feel like makes for the best
potential interview because I get to ask questions that I'm
like really excited to ask. You know, it's interesting as
I've done this podcast over time, I have a few questions
that I kind of list out beside me that help get conversation

(01:09:54):
flowing. But the favors kind of the
favorite kind of questions that I get most excited for are the
ones that are usually off scripted, that are prompted
based on the conversation that Ihad with that person.
And this was no exception. Really good conversations there
around, you know, his dad being proud of him, the fact that he's
growing in this space and getting to be known by more

(01:10:14):
people. What kind of responsibility does
he feel to his team and then to also the people who are
witnessing and viewing his stuff?
Yeah, just really cool stuff. Obviously, Lucas has got a very
intense Dr. and tenacity, and that was really cool to see.
I saw myself and him in a numberof different ways, not in his

(01:10:34):
ability to push bots, but more and just like the way that he
deals with thing is things and is driven.
Yeah, I'm a little bit older, soI'm like looking back and trying
to think, what was that like at 24?
Anyway, Yeah, really good conversation.
So I really appreciate you guys for jumping on and listening.
Really super thankful for Lucas and Luke for both jumping on in
the past week or so and just allowing me to talk to them

(01:10:57):
about their story. If you guys like these episodes,
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(01:11:18):
episode that are super impactfulto me.
So thank you for being here again.
As I said the fourth time, I appreciate you guys and we'll
catch you in the next one. Peace.