Episode #133 - Josh Amberger, Professional Triathlete

Josh shares his journey as a professional triathlete, reflecting on the evolution of the sport, the balance between competition and joy, and the emotional challenges of performance. He and Seth dive into storytelling, music, and literature, exploring the connections between creativity, resilience, and personal growth. Their conversation touches on family, sacrifice, nature’s grounding influence, and the need for authenticity in a social media-driven, high-performance world.

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Episode Transcript

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How's it going everybody? And welcome back to another
edition of the Stupid Questions podcast.
So Dan the pod, we're going to be talking with Josh Amberger.
He is a professional triathlete who needs no introduction.
Very eclectic, awesome guy, can't fit him into a box, very
unique. And I really appreciated this
conversation. We talk about many things from
nature to metal music to literature to obviously

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triathlon. So I really appreciate him for
taking the time to make it happen.
And without further ado, when itenters you to Mr. Josh Amberger,
I mean, your hair looks pretty sweet.
Let's go out of the shower. Yeah, no, for sure.
Oh, well, sorry to put you on the spot.
But Josh, thank you so much for taking the time.
I know you're a busy guy. Obviously early morning, you've

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already got your bike ride in and had breakfast.
Got to scarf it down. So thanks for making the time
for me. No problem, Seth.
How you doing? I'm pretty good, mate.
It's it's yeah, early morning over here in Australia, just
kind of getting ready for the first race of the season this

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weekend. So yeah, all happening this
week, trying to remember what everything I need to do to get
ready for a race, like all the little bits of gear and yeah,
all that. But yeah, getting through that
and we'll travel to the race tomorrow.
But yeah, excited to sort of kick off off the season this
weekend. Yeah, for sure.
How far away is the venue from your house?

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So I'm travelling out to Goondiwindi which is 4 hours
drive from Brisbane. Not much between Brisbane and
Goondiwindi. It's pretty pretty far out
there. It's like cotton country A.
Lot of. Yeah, a lot of, lot of.
Sort of big Agri business out there, but classic old race in

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Australia. I think it's got been going 30
something years and yeah, it's, it's just like a really a really
nice community focused event andthey've always supported the the
event with a pro race. So yeah, decided to go there
instead of Geelong Pro Series race this weekend.
I didn't really feel like I was going to be at the level to be a

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competitive in Geelong this timeof year.
So yeah, we'll keep it local. Yeah, for sure.
That sounds like fun. Good way to kick off the season.
I'm curious before I kind of dive into some of the background
questions about your life and whatnot.
But for you specifically, what what do you, what needs to
happen for you to feel like, OK,I'm where I need to be to be to

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feel competitive? Is it like hitting certain
numbers or is it more of just like a gut feeling?
Probably more, more of a gut feeling, but yeah, you can't,
you can't avoid looking at, at your numbers and your fitness
and your volume of training heading into a race,
particularly in 2025. I think 10 or more years ago, I

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could kind of go into some racesa little bit underprepared.
The, the sport has evolved so, so much to the point where every
field is stacked and insanely competitive.
And you know, I, I guess if we're looking back into the
previous decade as a strong swimmer, I could and you know,

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for a long time I was one of thestrongest cyclists in the sport,
which you would have no idea that's the case now because I'm
sort of middle of the pack. But yeah, you could, I, I could
approach a race with sort of limited fitness, lead the swim,
have a have a gap still build anadvantage on the bike and hold

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on to the run. But yeah, those, those days are
long gone. So, yeah, definitely a lot more
conscious now of by preparednessfor events.
Obviously, you know, for the keyevents of the year, you're never
going into them underprepared. But yeah, just the, the little,

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the little races that that sort of pop up in the calendar
throughout the year. Yeah.
You can't even really go into them with a weakness.
So yeah. So you say the sport has evolved
a ton, and I mean, I can see that even from outside of it in
terms of racing at the professional level.
But how has Josh evolved over the years?

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I've, I've tried my best, but maybe like this, there's a limit
to to that evolution. I guess you would say I was.
Yeah, I've still missing world championship podiums and so
forth in like I'm in 70.3 and I'm in world champs.

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Obviously those that, you know, they're probably very unlikely
to come at this point. So I would have liked to answer
this question saying, you know, outlining it quite a detailed
evolution in my career. But I'm, I guess throughout the
years, I've always tried to obviously maximize my

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performance on the course, but maintain sort of enjoyment in in
what I'm doing. To that point, I have sort of
said no to to certain things. I've also got ashes has always
been the other part of the equation for me.

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And we work very much as attainment for for a long time.
We've sort of, you know, established our home in
Australia and decided that this is where where we're going to
sort of live permanently and then travel to races throughout
the year. We could have probably
definitely do a better job if wedecided to to move overseas,

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particularly given so much of the racing now is is centered in
Europe. So I mean, yeah, it's I guess a
bit of a loaded question. I'm very sad.
But yeah, obviously this year my, my sort of micro evolution
for this year is working with a new coach, Jordan Kirby.

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He's a, a bike, bike specific coach.
He was a cyclist himself. So Ash started working with
Jordan last year just for, for cycling.
And obviously that's really where the sport's going to the
next level. So that's kind of what what
we've identified needs the most work.
I mean, running is probably my weakest leg, but you know, I'm

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just getting further left, further behind on the bike.
So yes, the first time we've worked with a coach that's not
like specific to triathlon. So it's a, it's a bit, a bit
unique and you know, it was sortof, I'm Ash has already got the
hang of it. But yeah, I'm in the first

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couple of months. I still sort of get in the feel
of of how that's working and howwe sort of fit the the rest of
the training around the bike program.
Yeah, for sure. Well, thanks for unpacking that
very small but loaded question. I appreciate you diving into it.
There's a lot of stuff that I want to ask more questions
about, but first, before we get into that and kind of more
modern day, I'd want to go back a little bit.

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And my first real opener question for you is the third
person one and that is who is Josh?
All right, OK, All right. Josh.
Josh likes a lot of different things.
Josh likes extreme heavy metal music.

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Listen to your playlist. Yeah, Josh likes triathlon, Josh
likes fitness and travel, I guess, and nature.
So I guess with my chosen careerpath or a path that a career
that I more or less fell into, Iguess you'd say being triathlon,

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I kind of get to get to experience a lot of that.
And yeah, it's, it's, I'm just fortunate that I can pursue a
career where it's also my passion as well.
And I guess to be doing that with, you know, Ashley, my wife
now, we met in triathlon. And so, yeah, triathlon's a big

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part of my life. And it's, yeah, sculpted my life
in so many different ways. So yeah, Josh, Josh is still a
triathlete, but a balanced triathlete.
And. Yeah.
Yeah, How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
35. OK, yeah, 'cause the the

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evolution that I. So I've got to talk with, I
don't know, probably over 100 athletes now in this sport and a
few other sports. And there seems to be that the
healthy ones that last a long time.
However you want to take that are the ones who kind of get to
the mindset of what you just spoke about a few minutes ago,
which was like, you know, you'redoing it for a sense of

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enjoyment rather than just necessarily chasing whatever
that pinnacle of the mountaintopis.
Have you always adopted that mindset of I want to do this
because I enjoy it? Yeah.
You know, it's, it's, I'd say for the most part, yes.
But there certainly has been times in my career where I've

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particularly when I first started winning.
Races, middle distance races specifically in 2014, I won 370
point threes podium did a lot more and a couple of like 5150
Olympic distance races at the time.
And I really, so that was like 2014 was a year where I really

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experienced like what it's like to build a career.
And to see everything coming in from, you know, you know, prize
money, endorsements, you know, just general like fandom of
people who enjoyed watching whatI what I did.

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And I was like finish that season super pumped and
motivated. But also, I just laid the, the
pressure on way too thick for the next year in 2015.
And I think I've, I've finished that year with like half the
races I wanted to do because I, I got injured, underperformed.

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And a lot of that was just because I just put way too much
pressure on myself to to, you know, repeat performances to
keep keep improving, keep earning.
More keep, you know, signing more sponsors and it just really
undid me. And I had to just sort of go

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back to basics and work out whatit was that I really wanted.
And yeah, I, I sort of steered the ship a little bit and got it
back on course for the followingyear in 2016.
But definitely learned a lot in,in that time about I guess like
athletic maturity and, and yeah,I, I, I think I've been pretty

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true to that for the most part since then.
And you know, I definitely agreewith you that if we're talking
longevity, balance is super important for athletes to
achieve. And you know, you, you could
look at a lot of pros in the sport now and in past years that
potentially have like prematurely shortened their

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careers or could have had longercareers for, for one way or
another. I also look at quite a lot of
amateurs that I know personally that come into the sport and
within sort of 12 months they gofrom never having done a try to
doing their first Iron Man to then even the next year doing

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going like Iron Man, it's not enough and wanting to do the
ultra stuff. And then by this, you know, the
end of the second year, they're burnt out and they're out of the
sport and kind of all those lifestyle factors that they
really like, found and enjoyed and appreciated when they came
to triathlon. They're back, you know, they're
just kind of just back to, they had a great experience, but

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they're just kind of back to that.
Yeah, I don't know, looking for something else.
And I just feel like if you takeyour time and really enjoy what
you're doing and potentially, I know it's hard for a lot of us
as athletes, but like, not become over obsessed with
things. And it's definitely going to

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work for you in the long run. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. It's interesting the different
mindsets that are accompanied with those who enter any
endurance sport because I remember when I first started
getting into triathlons and, youknow, the marathon running
scene, the guy I used to run with a lot, like he started open
up to me. He was about 15 years my senior,

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and he would start opening up like, oh, he gone through this
crazy divorce and, you know, allthis.
And then I start hanging out with some other long distance
triathletes and starting to hearsome of their back story and you
know, somebody died in their family close.
And I have started to realize like, oh, it's interesting on
the amateur side at least, it seems like a lot of these people
that go out to do these endurance races are running from

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something or they're trying to process through something.
And it's interesting. I don't know if that's
necessarily the case on the pro side as much because I mean,
everybody gets into it, but froma different path.
But some people it's from them being recognized as like, oh,
you have a lot of athletic potential and then they kind of
get steered in that direction. But it's different for everyone
for sure. Yeah, I think still like even at

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the pro level, there's a lot of like catharsis in in what we're
doing. And you know, if you break it
down, you could just look at athletes like Lionel and it's
like he needs, he needs to put himself through through this
suffering day in, day out, almost like just to keep himself

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occupied. Yeah.
And yeah, you can, you can definitely say sport is is a lot
of catharsis for for athletes like him.
And you know, myself as well, I've more or less just always
been a competitor. I grew up swimming from a really

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young age in Australia, as we do.
And like I was racing in the pool from, from age 5 or 6 in
like regional swimming events. So for me, sports like, and I,
it's just always been an identity.
It's not something that I've found as a coping mechanism in

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any way. But definitely, you know,
there's, there's definitely somesomething to be said for like a
really hard work out if you yeah, it's it can be a really
good release if you're having a crap day or whatever.
So. Yeah, for sure.
So born and raised in Australia.Yeah.
How far away is your birthplace home from where you're currently

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living? Probably about one kilometre as
the Oh, really? Even less.
Yeah, yeah. Which is funny.
I live so I'm, yeah, just reallyproud.
Brisbane night. Brisbane's a big city, you know,
we've got over 2 million people here.

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A lot of people don't know this,but we're hosting the 2032
Olympics. So oh, let's go.
Definitely a city on the global stage.
But it's also amazing for, for training and the outdoor life
and outdoor culture we have hereis, is like awesome.
And yeah, it's what's really kept me in a, in a, in a big

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city environment, training for, for professional sport, training
for three, you know, sports essentially.
So, yeah, it's, it's can be verytricky to find somewhere that
has the right mix for, for everything that we need to do as
a triathlete. But yeah, I feel like, yeah,
we're pretty close to nailing that here.

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Yeah. And yeah, that's kind of why
I've never moved away from from where I live.
It's just an awesome area. And but in saying that, it is
the suburbs. But yeah, it's the training that
I really enjoy. Yeah, for sure.
Siblings. Do you have any?
Are you an only child? I've got a sister, she's a

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couple years older than me. She actually got married.
We're celebrating a winning a few weeks ago, so it was
exciting for her. She's actually a dual Olympian.
A lot of people wouldn't know this, but she's a dual Olympian
in synchronized swimming. That's cool.
Which is, yeah, it's like insaneBeijing and London Olympics she

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went to. And yeah, she was incredibly
good at what she did. It was a sport that never
resonated me with me in any way.To the to the point where I
think. You know, some of the only times
I watched her do what she was doing was was at the Olympic
Games and Commonwealth Games. The music I just, oh, mate, I

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couldn't ever get when I I'd find myself at their practice
and I just could not stand the music just on repaid as they're
doing their routine. I was just like, Get Me Out of
here. Yeah.
But yeah, like incredible, like athleticism from like the

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athlete, this synchronized swim is like just what they're able
to do is ridiculous. And it's it's quite funny
because she's she went to two Olympic Games and retired from
the sport. She must have been about 25 or
26 with like absolutely nothing to her name.

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You know, it's it's a sport and there's many other sports in
this category, obviously. Even if you're reaching like
Olympic level success that you don't have an opportunity to to
earn or to build a career or to most of the time even be
recognized. Yeah.
So that's, that's like, I know really tough for athletes like

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her to sort of reconcile. All that time.
And effort they put in and it's more or less just like a a
personal pursuit. At the end of the day, we're
fortunate that triathlete is notniche.
People call triathlete triathlona niche sport, but having been

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so close to someone who is actually doing a niche sport, I
kind of fundamentally disagree with that.
Every time we we, we have a big audience and triathlon athletes
have huge fan bases. And a lot of opportunity to to,
you know. Get out a lot from our sport, no

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matter what level you're doing it at.
So yeah, that's something I really appreciate about
triathlon. And now she's actually in the in
the federal police. So she's a bit of a badass and
knows how to take the bad guys down.
And yeah, so. Take a life.
Yeah, she's a bit of a weapon, so yeah.

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You guys pretty close then I would imagine.
Yeah, she lives down in Canberra, which is a couple of
hours flight from here, so it's the capital of Australia.
So yeah, I don't actually see her that often, but yeah.
Tell me a little bit about your mom and dad.

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Were they also also in the athletic realm of ability and
did they have pursuits in that field?
So mom, no, she's like probably the fittest person that has like
never ever done anything competitive in her life, which
is quite funny. She's she runs every day

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religiously, but just like has no competitive drive.
I've like even tried to get her on the start line of a park run,
which I don't know if you have park runs in America, but it's
like a free 5K run every Saturday morning throughout.
You can find them in like the UK, Australia and New Zealand
and they're super popular. But yeah, people walk these five

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KS can't even get it too sharp to a park run.
But yeah, that's, that's mum. Dad, on the other hand, was, he
was a very competitive marathon runner in the 70s and 80s.
He was serving in the Army for New Zealand.
Both my parents are actually Kiwis, but I was born in

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Australia, so dad was in the NewZealand army based in a lot of
the times between Singapore and Malaysia, who did a tour in the
Vietnam War. So he's a, he's a veteran.
But yeah, he was, he was runningmarathons in the really early
days of sort of like, you know, competitive marathons.

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And yeah, he he is actually a wicked runner for his time.
He got down to 226 marathon in Singapore.
So there's. No gels or anything probably.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, you know, they hardly even
had shoes back in those days, Like actual good shoes.
So yeah, yeah, he was, he was a bit of a bad ash runner, but his

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body's totally broken now. Like he had a lot of parachuting
accidents and stuff like that. Jeez.
So yeah, he's yeah, yeah, I guess I'd definitely say I scrub
up some athletic talent from from my parents, probably
particularly my dad's side. But yeah, the the rest of of my

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abilities sort of been developedover a 30 year period where I'm,
yeah, in my, in my very formative years swimming 10
sessions a week and and transition transitioning into
triathlon sort of age 1415 and going from there.
Yeah, you said you fell into thesport.
Like what does that look like? I, I guess I, I didn't

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necessarily fall into the sport,say I fell into like a career in
the sport. So as a swimmer, I was a pretty
competitive junior like in the in the age categories through
till I was about 13 or 14 and then just sort of didn't hit the

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gross, but that everyone else was hitting around me and all of
a sudden like was kind of irrelevant within a very short
space of time. So I kind of got burnt out from
swimming and my coach at the time, Jr. or John Rogers, like
he's pretty, pretty popular in the Tri circles at the moment.

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People come from all over the world to train with him in
Noosa, Noosa Aquatic Centre. So yeah, Jr. was coaching me at
the time. This is, you know, early 2000s.
And he, he was an avid triathlete at the time.
He actually even gave me he so he kind of like pushed me into

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triathlon saying like, there's this whole other thing that I
reckon you could be good at. And so I started doing
triathlons because my swim coachtold me to ironically.
But yeah, he was definitely attached to the sport.
And you know, I've still even got signed posters from Dave
Scott that he gave me signed to Jr. from.

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One of them was like, be where I'm in Japan, I think 1999.
Wow. So yeah, some some like cool old
memorability there. But yeah, I guess I, yeah, I
immediately was like attracted to the the variety of triathlon
coming from swimming, obviously like it's, it's not a dull

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sport, but it's there's just so much repetition involved that
all of a sudden when I found myself cycling and running on a
daily basis, like it was like I was just in heaven.
The the variety in that and you know, the different places that
both those additional sports could take me and things I could

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see and do and yeah, like venuesfor events and everything.
It just totally, totally bought me in to triathlon.
So I was hooked pretty early andI guess I started racing junior
late, sort of like draft legal stuff from when I was 1516.

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And yeah, made the the Junior League team for three World
Championships and just kind of kept going.
And that's how I guess I, I, youknow, I fell into a career and
triathlon was just just by taking things to the next level
every year. So you mentioned a little bit

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ago that you know, it's triathlon has been a very
distinct and large piece of youridentity for many years now and
obviously you're continuing to compete and wanting to get the
best out of yourself. Do you feel like when it's time
for you to move on from this sport that it's going to be
pretty difficult in terms of howyour identity has been placed in

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this sport? I think so, I think.
Yeah, finding that identity after professional sports is
something that's never easy. It's not a simple thing by any
means. And, you know, right now I'm
sort of just listening to some like news podcasts at home.

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They've had some some Olympic athletes from Paris on programs
lately just sort of talking about like what they're doing
post Paris. And a lot of these were in niche
sports like like field hockey and water polo and stuff.
And it's just, it's, it's alwaysinteresting listening to the

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tales of these athletes and obviously having first hand
knowledge of my sister going through sort of the highs and
lows of, of Olympic level sport and life after life after that.
Like I know there is generally like quieter.
It is quite a tumultuous period to try and reconcile like what

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you do now, given that, you know, for me, in my case, I've
already put 20 years of, of likeelite level.
Like I've, I've been a pro for almost 20 years.
So yeah, it's, it's, I know, I kind of know what's coming when
I move on from sport. But at the same time, I feel

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every year I just try and check back in and I have goals of what
I want to do before I finish thesport.
And I don't want to leave those unchecked.
And I just, I, I, I think I can without having a, a solid plan
or without revealing that that plan in, in detail of what's

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coming next, as long as I know I've achieved everything that I
set out to and kind of leave sort of nothing unturned.
It's, it's like I mentioned before, I've always strived to
be, you know, a world champion or be on the podium in a World
Championships. But I've I might not achieve

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that but I've given it a red hotcrack.
Yeah, I'd say so. And still, you know, it's still
going to try and pursue that. As long as I know that I've
given it everything, then like how else could I best, best set
myself up for, for, for the nextstage of life other than just
being content with what I've done?

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So that's definitely what I've, what I'm aiming for in sort of
like I definitely say the last phase of my career.
Yeah. Would you consider yourself a
creative person? I, I would to, to the point
where I, I know I'm more creative than it's like others I

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do. I'm definitely not like, I'm
definitely not like a creative, but I do have a creative side
that I like to express when I'm not tired and grumpy all the
time. So like, yeah, a lot of people
might know me or have heard of me from race reports and like
bits of creative writing that I've done which I really enjoy.

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And there's like some sort of physical art and stuff that I
would like to do more and sort of express more.
But the the reality is like training for professional
triathlon is so like time consuming and energy sapping
that a lot of my creative side doesn't often get a chance to

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get expressed. So yeah, I would love to to to
show that creativity a lot more.But yeah, what you see is what
you get at the moment. Yeah.
Well, so the the race reports isa little bit of what I was
thinking about, but just in general, I think the way that
you communicate always has like this poetic, poetic fashion
about it. Are you a fan of poetry?

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Would you consider what you write to be poetic?
I, I'm not really into to poetryper SE.
Doesn't mean I wouldn't read it.Yeah, but definitely at the
moment really into a particular style of literature that kind of

(30:45):
comes across in some of what I'mdoing.
And I guess you could say it's alot of like, it's like a very
Australian style of, of getting things across.
Quite often. I'm like swearing a lot, which I
don't know, no one really ever tells me not to do it.
So I just keep doing. No backlash yet I guess.

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Yeah, which is nice. I'm sorry if that offends you,
but yeah, definitely like I'm very interested in in literature
at the moment and a lot of certain things like I studied
history and political science inuniversity, so it was like a ton
of ton of reading. And recently I've been getting a

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lot of into like, I couldn't saya lot into fantasy basically
like I've obsessed over, over Tolkien and all the works of
Tolkien recently said Lord of the Rings, you know, that sort
of stuff. And, and I've, there's an
Australian author, Malcolm Knox,who I've just keep reading his

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books back-to-back to back to, because his style is, is so
fascinating and so interesting to me.
So yeah, I, I forget what the original question is, I've kind
of gone off on a tangent, but. No, I think it's going to ask
you if you're creative. Yeah, definitely.
I read a lot even I actually, I get a, I'm probably one of the

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only people left in the world who still gets a physical
newspaper delivered to the frontdoor every day.
So even just like reading the news, reading opinions, just
generally like understanding stuff.
I guess I have, yeah, like a wide scope of interest outside
triathlon and reading is I guessjust a vehicle for, for, for

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that. Yeah.
So when you read and you're consuming these different
things, whether it's fantasy or history or what have you, what
are the what are the types of things that usually stick with
you that you carry throughout your day or that stick with you
even like days or weeks later and how you process or approach
life? Probably like like the emotional

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attachment you start to get to or emotional empathy you start
to get with like certain characters and what you're
reading. So I'm reading a book at the
moment called The Life and it's but I mentioned it his name
before by Malcolm Knox and it's a fascinating book.
It's like a first person book about the very first ever World

(33:27):
Surfing League champion who's anAustralian and his name is
Michael Peterson or MP. And in the book, he's been
appropriated to like a differentname, Dennis Keith, but just
the, the, and, and this, this guy was at the top of his level
in the early 70s. Like he took surfing to another

(33:49):
level, but had an insane amount of like personal demons and you
know, like struggles with addiction and everything.
And just this, this bulk, it's like, it's hard to put down.
But the, I don't know, I guess like it's stuff I can't relate
to in a lot of ways, but it's just fascinating to to like read

(34:15):
and understand the, the processes and you know, feel the
empathy feel for a character like this, knowing that even if
it I guess, even if it was basedon a real person or not.
And it's the same with with authors like Tolkien, like the
character development and if youread a lot of the earlier works

(34:36):
pre pre Lord of the Rings tales,like I don't know if you're
aware of any of the work, any ofthese works, but the children
are random. One of the the sort of the
biggest tales sort of on the side of the Lord of the Rings.
There's yeah, just an insane amount of like character
development and like sadness andlike tragedy.

(35:01):
I don't know. I that's the stuff that sticks
with you because I could affectsyou emotionally.
And I guess that's what makes things so memorable at the end
of the day. If, if, if, yeah, like you can
be emotionally invested in in what's happening and what you're
reading. And I'm definitely I like, like

(35:23):
you said, you think about it forweeks and sometimes months.
And yeah, it's kind of like a bit chilling how that can sort
of happen to you. No stuff matters that the reason
I ask that is just I was curiouswhat like what kind of things do
you like investing your emotionsinto?
And that makes sense. And it's also interesting the

(35:45):
way you described that because it made me almost come up with
this idea or theory. It's like, so I'm assuming you
have a best friend, obviously, if no one else, Ashley or Ash.
But whenever we get to know someone, it's usually kind of a
couple things that end up binding us to that person a hard
time that we've gone through or just them sharing something that

(36:06):
they've gone through for whatever reason.
Because that allows us to kind of dig into deep those deeper
emotions, I guess around empathyand whatnot.
But I feel like the best authorsare those like Tolkien or others
who are able to essentially ask the characters by way of other
people asking them the questionsin the book, Like asking them
the questions that draw out thatvery human side of the

(36:29):
personality that we can like grab on to.
Because I don't know, we just all really like stories, I
guess, at the end of the day. But yeah, it's fascinating how
you how you laid that out because it made me think like,
oh, well, that's that's how you become a good writer.
You make it to where it's like you're building real friendships
in the book and like the reader gets to kind of be a part of
that. Yeah, definitely.

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I'd like 100% agree with that. I feel like a lot of what I find
valuable and really interesting about like extreme metal genres
like black metal and death metaland doing metal is also kind of
like the same thing. It's a lot of the times like

(37:13):
illustrating like deep levels ofof like suffering of the human
condition. It sounds like a bit like, I
don't know, a bit weird and thatbut like metal is a very
emotional genre of music to a lot of people.

(37:33):
It might sound like noise and screaming and stuff, but it's
like screaming is the the most like roar like human emotion.
Like if you're in pain or like what are you doing?
You're generally often like probably screaming.
It's it's like maybe difficult for some people to reconcile

(37:54):
that as an art form, but for me,I get like a lot of positivity,
funnily enough, at the same timeas like not negativity.
Generally for me, metal is or it's always positive, It's
always uplifting. Yes, I do listen to it if I'm

(38:16):
like pissed off or sad or whatever, but generally it's
like bringing me to a place of like a better emotional state.
It's kind of, it's, it's very difficult to sort of illustrate,
but it kind of touches on the same emotional empathy stuff we

(38:37):
were talking about with literature as well.
So, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can see I've got.
A really big record collection just just behind me over there.
That's that's like my, my littleyeah, Ash tolerates my music
very well. I was going to ask, does she
like the same type of music thatyou like?

(38:59):
She likes, she likes certain artists and certain sounds and
certain deliveries. But yeah, generally I know what
I can and can't play around her.There's definitely stuff that I
can't play around her if if I want to keep her onside.
So yeah. Yeah, that's interesting.

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Well, with with metal, so I don't listen to a lot of metal.
My dad was a musician, played drums and you know, a few other
things he tinkered around with growing up.
So I was exposed to all kinds ofdifferent types of music from
the old like Genesis and Asia and that kind of stuff.
And then all the way to like Linkin Park was a little bit in
between. And then like you can go all the

(39:42):
way to, I don't know what Dream Theater or what some of the
other artists that you probably listen to, they're a little bit
more extreme. But what like you say that you
feel the empathy through that music and it brings you to like
a positive place. Do you feel?
Because when I listen to like some of the heavier metal stuff,
I feel like this. Tension that's drawn and then

(40:04):
whenever the artist, specifically the singer kind of
comes off of it and then we'll actually sing like a melody line
or something like that, like it kind of dissolves that and then
they build it up again and go back and forth.
Are you, are you kind of like atthe top end where you're like, I
just like the screaming the whole time?
No like definitely not like I know exactly what you're talking
about. Like clean and harsh vocal into

(40:27):
play can be like, insanely compelling and interesting and
exciting. I kind of, I like a lot of
stuff. I also like music with a lot of
clean vocals too. But yeah, I don't know, Like a
lot of people say to me, you know, how can you?

(40:50):
How do you know what they're singing about?
How can you understand that? I've never found, like, lyrical
content very interesting or like, I've never really sought
much out with lyrics. I mean, I guess for me, the
vocals is just always another instrument.

(41:12):
And I don't necessarily need to know what they're saying to
like, appreciate the delivery and impact of that.
So I don't know, some people like lyrics.
It's like super meaningful to me.
It's, it's just part of the music.
Yeah, and there's definitely like, different, like huge

(41:33):
variety in like, screaming and harsh vocals, I guess you'd say.
I can listen to a band and I hate like, I'll just turn it
off. Like if I hate the vocals, Like
really, I'm really particular about the vocal sound that I do
enjoy in extreme metal. So it's not like, and there's a

(41:53):
lot of shit bands out there as well.
I'm like, I'm super particular about what I'm listening to and
about what I hear. And yeah, definitely like vocal
delivery is something that I'll just turn turn something off
straight away if it if it sucks and I hate it so.
Yeah. Are you a musician on any level?
No, I used to be, I mean, like Iwas raised playing piano and

(42:19):
then when that wasn't cool enough for me, I pivoted to bass
guitar. I kept that up.
I'm I played in a couple bands in high school.
But and like, yeah, that I definitely would say if
triathlon and sport in general didn't take over and didn't like

(42:41):
dissolve all my time, it it would have been something I
would have pursued further. But yeah, it's to the point
where now, like I don't, I can'tplay an instrument because it's
just all lost on me. I've like, yeah, triathlon
really just took, took over everything.
And you kind of almost have to let it.

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And this is where it becomes really tricky with the balance
that we've talked about because things like playing an
instrument and the the time and investment needed to like keep
perfecting that was just totallyat odds with training and

(43:26):
improving performance and everything.
So to achieve that balance can be really difficult because you
have to almost say goodbye to, to some of the, the things that
you're most passionate about if you want to get good at
something. And you know, there's a lot,
like, there's a lot of collateral that goes beyond

(43:50):
that. Like relationships is also
another thing that becomes very tricky to, to, to, you know, to
maintain friendships and connections with family and, and
stuff becomes really hard if you're always traveling, if
you're like absolutely buggered for most hours of the week when

(44:11):
you're not training. And yeah, it just becomes really
hard to, to like keep investing in certain friendships and
relationships when you just really don't have the time.
So yeah, it's, it's like a real sort of always give and take
scenario with what we're doing in in professional sport.

(44:36):
Yeah, it reminds me a little bitof, I don't know if you watched
the documentary The Last Dance, I think it was called, but
Michael. Jordan yeah, I watched the
class. That was so good.
Yeah, it was so good. But that, yeah, like there's a
there's a level of sacrifice that is required if you do want
to be quote, UN quote, the best.But that leads me to the next

(44:57):
question, just because I hear inyour voice and in the story that
you've been laying out, there's still a little bit of internal
turmoil, it sounds like on was it worth it?
Is it worth it? And maybe that's just my own how
I'm I'm taking it in. But my question is like, do you
feel like regardless if you get to where you want to be

(45:18):
professionally and performance wise, when it all comes to an
end, do you feel like it will have been worth it?
I yeah, I I can answer that now,definitely, for sure.
I think because like, I don't know, at the end of the day,
like what 1 experience, yeah, just been like to even like I'm

(45:44):
obviously not retired. I'm still going about to embark
on another season of professional triathlon.
But yeah, like I look back and Ireflect on like the, yes, the
results I've had, I've won 1270 point professional 70.3 races,

(46:06):
officially won one I men, unofficially won two.
I men's if you know, you take Colin Chartier out of one of
them, been on the podium for 10 more.
I men's, been on the podium for 30 something more. 70.3 is like
the results are great. But yeah, that like the people
that I met in places I've been obviously met Ashley through

(46:29):
triathlon, but yeah, just like so many like friendships that
I've developed amazing experiences that that I've had
through sport is something you can't get living in ordinary
life. So yeah, I think that the good
100% would outweigh the bad for sure.

(46:51):
Any like any day of the week, nomatter how I look at it.
So I guess that's where talking about like my sister before, I'm
not sure that she could really say the same about her career.
She was like tormented, like abused by coaches.

(47:17):
Like, it's just a really rough sport for her.
And she can say she's an Olympian, but I'm not sure she
has. And she, she actually has very
good enduring friendships from the athletes she she did the
sport with. But I'm not sure she has many,

(47:38):
like, amazing memories from it. So yeah, I definitely say I'm
fortunate that like for me, the outlook is like really positive.
Yeah, yeah. So you strike me, especially
when I first started observing you, I guess when I first became

(47:59):
more or less a part of the sportseveral years ago.
You come across me as like a guywho I don't know most people.
It's relatively easy for me to, whether right or wrong in my
mind, kind of profile them and place them in kind of like, oh,
they're this type of person, this type of person.
You do not fit like any of thoseboxes for me.
I think you're just like a superunique guy, the way you approach

(48:22):
life. And again, I don't know you
other than this 48 minute conversation, don't really know
you on a personal level. So all of this could be
completely wrong. But based on what I've observed,
like you seem to be very unique in those aspects and you come
across me as like guy who prideshimself in being like tough or
and having grit. Is that true?

(48:45):
I would say to the first part ofthat like, like, thank you.
That's like like quite. That's quite a nice compliment,
even if it wasn't designed to be1.
Like job done for me. Yeah, you're gonna retire now.
It's all good. But no, definitely like to
having grip. Yeah, for sure.

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I mean, there's really not much in life that I would could
honestly say I've given up on yet.
I don't give up easily. I wouldn't say that there's not
times where like I'm backed intoa corner and I've capitulated.
There's definitely been a coupleof them.

(49:27):
But on the whole, I think, you know, you don't get to mid 30s
and still racing a a, you know, still competing in a
professional sport trying to, you know, trying to find a new
level every year, trying to compete with with these young

(49:47):
guns that are just really pushing the sport to another
level without having a degree ofgrit.
And you have to have that to to stay competitive.
I think there was possibly a time in triathlon, even when I
was younger where you could sortof go through the motions and

(50:07):
still make a living and and havea career.
But you just really can't do that now.
Like, you need to fight for for everything.
And yeah, I guess growing up as a swimmer doing like insane
volume in the pool every morning, every night, it's like

(50:32):
there's an old adage like that, you know, you can't see your
tears in the water. And I mean, it's true.
Like sometimes you're, you know,you're just a kid and you're,
you're suffering and you don't know why.
It's just you're suffering. And it's like, but then you
finish the workout and I don't know, everything's cool.

(50:54):
You like it was. You still alive?
Sick way. And you're like, oh, that was
fun. And that's, I don't know, that's
the thing about people who thrive in endurance sports.
It's like, it's hard to hard to,like understand it, let alone
explain it. But yeah, it's like, that's for

(51:15):
me that that like toughness and everything was sort of just like
bedded into me. And generally, it's always
followed, you know, followed closely by, you know, enjoyment
and fulfillment and, like, pleasure, oddly enough.
So yeah. I think there's, it's an element
of creation. It's like almost like when you
do write something and you spendthe time or you make a maybe

(51:37):
it's physical art or music or goout and run an Iron Man and you
have that one metal. It's like it's more than the
metal. It's more than the painting.
It's a remembrance of like all of the time and effort you put
into that. And really it's like creation.
It's like you've created something.
It's there to stay. Nothing can make a lie about it
like it's 100% there. At least that's that's kind of

(51:57):
the way I look at it. Yeah, that's that's quite an
interesting way to, I've never really looked at it that way,
but definitely I wouldn't, wouldn't disagree with you.
It's like the Internet, the Internet's forever now.
So, like, this conversation's eternal.
Eternal until some a few until afew key C cables are cut or a

(52:17):
few placed atom bombs are placedand then our entire existence.
That's something that kind of blows my mind here in the modern
era. It's like, why do I work?
Well, I go to work to get reallysomeone to do a transfer on a
bank, but it's really I'm working for some pixels on a
screen and as long as those numbers having so many numbers
and some commas and doesn't get down to 0, then like I'm OK.

(52:40):
But I'm like working for these pixels.
Everything that I do is like online.
And if that was to cease to exist tomorrow, our world would
be so messed up. Like we would have to go back to
well, I guess I'm going to go plant some seeds in the backyard
and figure out how to grow some food and what else am I going to
do? Like it it's we've gotten so out

(53:02):
of touch. This is kind of a tangent.
We've gotten so out of touch with like, what is life,
actually? Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't disagree
with you. I mean, like I remember being a
young kid before like Y2K and I was like super like concerned
about it because it was all I bloody heard on on the news the.

(53:25):
Computer. Like New Year's was like such an
exciting, always such an exciting time with fireworks and
family and parties and stuff. But we were like, Oh my God, the
world's going to end. It's crazy.
I mean, it didn't obviously, butlike, but it was like the
thought was that like, shit, what's next?
Yeah. I mean, I guess the same rate,

(53:45):
you know, recently with COVID, when everything just kind of
shuts down. And for me, I actually found
that like, I could take a deep breath and not, I wasn't worried
about what was next. I was kind of like, God, I can
actually relax and I didn't really give anything.

(54:06):
Yeah, I wasn't stressed or, or like concerned, like obviously
didn't want to get sick, didn't want to get anyone else sick.
But for me, like the first like lockdowns and stuff was I could,
yeah, just like relax and just chill out and yeah, not really

(54:26):
worry about anything. So I definitely feel like it's,
it's as a professional athlete, you can we're always told and
you know, Ashley's exposed this a lot like with say to 100, you
know, they're going to have to be hitting certain post quotas

(54:48):
on social media before and afterevery race.
It's like super tough, super tough criteria for them this
year as I guess a freelance athlete, I don't have any
commitments like that. But like we're always told, we
need to be optimizing everythingmore.
We need to be building our audience, we need to build our

(55:09):
followers, you know, like comment, subscribe sort of shit.
It's obviously an essential and and it I kind of lament sport in
a way that this is what it's become.
You know, you don't have to be aprofessional athlete.
So to be a professional athlete now you also need to do be a
professional at all these other things.
And there's all these other requirements and we're just

(55:31):
always told we need to optimize more, we need to engage more, we
need to do more of everything. And at some point, it's like,
you know, that's, that's when you lose sight of what you're
doing. And to be honest, like a lot of
the time, I just think I couldn't give a shit.
You know, it's hard. I do really enjoy doing creative

(55:54):
stuff and engaging with fans. But yeah, like, I don't know
you, you hold sentiment about losing track and losing sight.
I definitely think that that is permeating more and more into to
everything that we're doing, particularly in in like the
social media space. So it's like definitely we

(56:19):
talked about balance a lot, but it's definitely like a balance.
I like a lot of things these days.
Yeah, it's interesting. There's this more broader
popular conversation going on right now with some of the
podcasts that I listen to, whichare some of the bigger ones, Joe
Rogan, Modern Wisdom, a few others.
But it's just this idea of like most people are living for

(56:42):
Instagram now and it's like really difficult because like
when you're a professional athlete, I feel like it is
required to the next NTH degree because you know, a lot of your
ability to attract sponsorship is like, oh, well, there's this
number and there's the amount ofeyeballs I can get you.
And then you know, you can, you know what your ever your 1%

(57:02):
conversion rate is like, that's how many sales we can get you
in. It gets drilled down to the
numbers. But my question to you is like,
do you think that there will ever be a a correction in that
and there will be less value placed upon the amount of
eyeballs and more on the athletebeing who they are rather than
just the, I don't know, ingenuine constant posts?

(57:22):
Oh, I broke this, but here, get my collagen supplement.
Or, you know, yeah, he's kind ofmaking fun of his thing.
Like definitely, I'm not sure iflike correct, like I would like
there to be a correction for it to kind of just go back to being
like what it was 10 years ago. You sound, you sound old, Josh.

(57:47):
What's that? But Oh well, I am old in the
sport now, if you if you hadn't noticed, but definitely like,
you know, I mean, platforms havelike come and gone a lot over
the years. Instagram seems to be like
really enduring and for everything that we get like

(58:10):
pissed off about it, it it just seems to still be there and
still be relevant. That being said, like I'm Ashley
and I are like not joining any other platforms like we've
YouTube is like would be fun, but it's a lot of work and we're
not really willing to invest that the time in that space and

(58:35):
we don't personally use it ourselves.
So it's just not really interesting.
Like Tik Tok's another thing, like it's exploded.
But I think in our what my age bracket, like people are just
like, Nah, can't be bothered, don't want to invest in this
other platform. And I don't know, it's

(58:58):
definitely like, so yeah, we're kind of like just locked into
Ashley and me. We're like locked into
Instagram. That seems to be where like a
lot of the the dialogue still is.
And you can do it, you know, andlike a lot of people are doing

(59:18):
it to hit algorithms. I think.
So like this morning the PTO zone wasn't so PTO.
It was Protry News released a data set with like the top, I
think 10 men and women in their rankings and their engagement on
their pile. Firstly like the amount they
were posting and then the engagement.

(59:39):
And it was like super obvious that a lot of the athletes are
like just training and not posting.
And then they got there the the the pros that have a media team
behind them. Probably not Sam long because
Sam long just is like hyper, hyper bandwidth, you know, just
loves pumping shit out every day.

(01:00:00):
Just thought bubble after thought bubble.
Everyone else, you can tell they've like they've contracted
a media team to do stuff for them because there's just no way
that any athlete other than Sam long can like authentically put
that amount of content out there.
And for me, that's like. Ashley and I with always, always

(01:00:24):
had control of our our own accounts.
Like there's not a question where we would ever like have a
media team to do like posts thataren't what we want to say and
what we want to do. And I guess just to backtrack,
it's really nice to see like a bunch of those athletes that are

(01:00:45):
the best athletes in the world are not really like caring about
hitting the algorithm. And that's, it's just like so
much emphasis now. Like T100 is really trying to
hit the algorithm like Iron Man is really trying to hit the
algorithm, like the amount of volume that they're putting out.

(01:01:08):
But like, it's nice for me to say that a lot of pros still
really don't give a shit about that.
They just want to be pros. They just want to, they want it,
they want to engage and they want to share like moments with
their fans. But it's to be authentic in
doing that while you're trainingto be the best in the world is

(01:01:28):
extremely difficult. And yeah, like it is.
I mean the amount of like traffic we get Ash and I get
every week for like just shitty collab requests with like
nothing brands and stuff that's not even sponsorship.
Like professional sports always been geared around sponsorship.

(01:01:50):
Like aligning yourself with brands on like you know, it, you
know, semi permanent to indefinite basis has been really
important for athletes for stability and brands for
obviously like long term marketability.
And now just the yeah, what is much frustrating for us to see

(01:02:14):
this shift to really like semi like just like nothing like one
off stuff. It's kind of it kind of means
nothing in a way. I'm not like I have done sort of
one off collabs with certain brands and there's actually one
in the pipeline, but that's kindof just to keep the lights on

(01:02:37):
really. I mean, it's not that grim, but
it's more or less just what it is.
And yeah, I'm like, I don't know, that's just the way the
world we live in at the moment. I guess.
I've gone on a huge rant about this.
Yeah. Like it's good insight.
It's not something that gets talked about enough.

(01:02:57):
I think I appreciate you saying what you said because I would be
interested in keeping tabs on how it continues to grow because
it seems to me that there's a level of growth that happens in
a sport. If you're looking at like the
tier one sports that are followed in the US or I guess
even in the world like Formula One, you have these, you know,

(01:03:19):
pro drivers and whoever else is involved.
They post occasionally like themselves actually on the
account, but most of the time it's like you say, an entire
media team behind them. And that's because they're
they're training 24/7, you know,with some rest, like to get to
that point. And I think it's the same with
NBA players or I don't know, I don't follow cricket, but maybe
the international teams, like there's probably a similar

(01:03:40):
situation. Like you don't have these guys
constantly being like, Oh yeah, today is this hyper eyes thing.
It was great. Yeah, buy this, use my code.
So as it gets bigger, it'll be interesting to see as the sport
grows, if that will continue to be so much emphasis on the
obligations of the actual athlete individual themselves to
make those requirements. I definitely can say that like a

(01:04:04):
lot of brands are moving to, it's like the sponsor that we're
having negotiations with. It's they're, they're wanting to
like mandate a certain amount oflike content for the contract
and that's not negotiable. And at some point you, you

(01:04:26):
wonder if they actually do want to sign the number two in the
world because she's like an exceptional, like phenomenal
talent that will deliver value on the race course.
Or if they just want like some disposable content from the
number two in the world and not really give a shit about what

(01:04:48):
they're doing on the race course.
Yeah. So yeah, sometimes it's just
hard to identify the priorities of of like, who you're working
with or like prospective partners.
And you just hope that like you're never in a situation

(01:05:09):
where your performance is like undervalued and it's just about
a social media account rather than the athlete that you are
and the athlete that you've worked so hard to be.
And that's where I think like this is, yeah, this great sort
of misalignment or like potentially even
misunderstanding of like how valuable like social media is.

(01:05:31):
And I'm, I'm not a marketer. I don't have, you know, sales
data. I don't have like all that
stuff. But yeah, definitely like some
priorities, I think getting confused in the marketplace.
Yeah, for sure. Well, it'll be interesting to
see what happens. I can't enact any change at this
point, but hopefully these this conversation carries to some

(01:05:53):
ears from hopefully some, some movers and shakers who can
change it a bit. But I have just kind of one more
question in semi topic and you can go as deep as you want, But
you mentioned it earlier that like nature was a huge part of
just what you enjoy and you like.
And I'm wondering what is it about nature that you like?

(01:06:15):
And is there, is there a spiritual element to that?
Loaded questions, Seth. I mean, what do I like about
nature? It's like it's, it's natural, I
guess. Like it's, it's like the way
things were like right now I'm like staring at at it like into

(01:06:42):
our backyard. And we're quite fortunate.
We've got like a nice big block of backyard.
We've got trees I'm looking at that probably like 300 years old
or something like remnant bushland that was here before,
you know, white civilization arrived into this continent.

(01:07:03):
And to me, it's just like, I really appreciate nature because
you get like a snapshot of the way it's supposed to be without
sort of human interference. And that's what we tend to do
really well as humans is like interfere with a lot of stuff,

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sometimes for the better, a lot of the times for the worse.
But I guess in nature, you can look at bird life or animal life
and just appreciate it for for what it is.
It's like something that like isjust so I don't know, like
innocent and different to to us as humans and what we prioritize

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as it's, you know, as humans andspecifically like, I just like
the what I'm really attracted to, like bushland and, you know,
coastal environments, you know, even like desert environments
and like big tree. I don't know, like just the, the

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colours, the, the shapes, the yeah, it's like stuff that we
can't control. That's just fascinating.
Like you just wonder how is thatthe way it is?
And you're just like, oh, it's like that's nature.
I don't know, I hadn't really like, I don't have a really nice
package answer to that question,but it's just a bunch of stuff

(01:08:31):
that I've like thought about right now.
But yeah, I don't know, it's just like immersing yourself in
the outdoors is like, it's just like a really good way of like
resetting and refreshing. And yeah, that's like, like as I
mentioned with with triathlon, we get to sort of be, I mean,

(01:08:55):
some people choose to train indoors, but like, I would
definitely send myself outdoors any day of the week just to be
in places that I really like to be because it's, it's healthy.
It's good for, it's good for like, yeah, my, my all around
health, my mental health, yeah. Are you a spiritual guy?

(01:09:16):
Not really, no. I'd say I'm just like, I
wouldn't even say like an atheist.
I just I'm I guess I'd say I'm probably agnostic.
I don't think too much about spirituality.
I feel like, I feel I had spiritual experiences and like

(01:09:41):
nature is a big vehicle for those experiences, I guess.
Yeah, yeah. Would you ever share those
experiences? I wouldn't know where to start
to be honest. It's not like I'm like munching

(01:10:01):
on on mushrooms like walking around the woods.
I wasn't looking for the ayahuasca experience per SE,
but. I don't know, it's just like
like like like imagine like I love going like bike packing and
stuff and I love doing like a 10hour day on my bike, like just

(01:10:23):
riding through the woods by myself.
I don't know, that's like you can't really explain what is
happening during that time, but it's just a feeling of like
feeling like, you know, free andunencumbered.
And you can kind of just, you really enjoy riding your bike
and you really enjoy nature. And it's just like this

(01:10:46):
collision of like enjoyment. It's like it's, it's hard to to
really like extrapolate the spiritual stuff, but that that
is like, it's just a feeling of like just feeling good, you
know. Yeah.
No, I get it. Yeah, there's there's a feeling,
I think that anyone, regardless of their religion or

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spirituality or whatever their experiential bent it might be.
But if you stand at the base of any majestic mountain or at the
base of any Redwood forest, you feel the inferiority of yourself
in comparison just the age of a 300 to 500 year old tree.
Like it makes you feel a certainway.
Yeah. And also like the quietness of

(01:11:29):
those sort of environments is like pretty humbling.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like that quiet, that feeling oflike quietness is definitely
like something that's to be appreciated and yeah, pursued, I
think. 100% Well, I won't take any more of your time, man, but

(01:11:50):
I just want to say thank you so much for taking the time out of
your busy morning and sitting down with me and exploring a lot
of different topics. I would love to have you again
on in the future just to dive deeper into some of these
things. But yeah, really appreciate you
making this happen for me. Thanks Seth, that was cool.
Cheers mate. Thank you so much to Josh for

(01:12:12):
taking the time to come on the pod.
Really appreciate it. He's a deep thinker and a
methodical guy. So thank you so much, Josh for
taking that time and for just putting words to your thoughts.
It'd be really cool to see how he does this year and continues
to impact the sport in a positive way.
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