April 23, 2022 • 38 mins
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(00:24):
Thank you for joining us during this very special Valentine's Day episode.
I know you secretly listen and you know,
I don't have time for cues.
Gnkzdzjo is this part of the green apron sponsor script or something?
I never went.
This is an interesting comment in the stream.
Which one?
Tyler Bunny 22 asks who does the song,
the subsist song?
(00:45):
No,
he's talking who does our song and the answer to that Tyler is our very own.
Sonny Tillman.
Yeah,
I made this 10 God.
It's been 10 years now.
It hasn't been that long since 2008.
Has it?
Do you think we need a new one?
I don't know the shows change songs.
I like this one.
Yeah,
I was just wondering maybe something to do.
Well,
(01:05):
do you have another song you want to use for the show?
We can change the song.
If you have a new one you're trying to show off.
No,
I,
I don't have anything.
Not right now.
You know how it is.
I'm not sure I do know how it is.
Well,
it's hard to hold on to a job where you make your money.
A side gig and your ambitions.
This shows your mistress.
Then I guess,
I don't know.
(01:26):
It just feels like I haven't had much time for music because of subsist.
But I'm really just making excuses for myself.
Yeah.
I wanted to pitch sitcoms and shows and stuff to producers when I first moved out here to L A.
But I guess you're right,
other stuff gets in the way you're in your early twenties and you think you have all the time in the world to figure it out and you'll create once you get a second,
(01:46):
but you look up and you're 30 you haven't made anything in years.
Well,
what about this?
You're a successful podcaster,
right?
No,
you're right.
And I do love doing this.
I don't know,
I guess it's hard to realize what you've given up to move forward.
You always have to let something go behind you.
I'm just scared of what I've let go.
(02:09):
You need to call me back or I'm getting the police involved.
This is getting kind of serious.
Now,
are,
are you calling her?
But yeah,
you heard her?
She's gonna call the police if we don't get this figured out,
you know how it sounds when you hear your voice in a recording that you didn't do.
I understand Jennifer's panic.
Are you still recording?
Oh,
yeah,
we're documenting all of this.
(02:34):
Are you gonna answer that?
It's not important and this is important.
This is about looking into these mystery episodes that keep showing up on my drive of our old podcast that ended over five years ago,
all based on a canceled reality show,
subsist culminating in a recording of my death due in a few months.
And now the woman on the original recording,
we found Jennifer Whitler is freaking out and I have to call her back to try to explain why her voice is on a recording.
(03:00):
She never did that figure out what she has to do with this.
I meant what are we doing?
Why are we still recording?
The police might get involved?
We have to make an account in case I do die in case anyone can hear this that is experiencing the same thing,
we have to keep going because this is real.
It's not fake.
Like everyone keeps saying because this,
(03:23):
this subsist a real podcast.
(03:50):
Hello,
Jennifer Whitler.
Who is this?
It's Ray Buchler.
You called me earlier?
Sorry,
I was in Eureka and on the drive home.
And how do you have recordings of my voice?
Who are you?
I don't know,
I mean,
I mean,
I know,
I don't know how the recording exists.
I know who I am.
Is this like an art thing?
You know,
I've just about been asked that every which way you can possibly imagine.
(04:14):
And I still don't know.
My sister says I should talk to my lawyer first.
That's not bad advice.
I know I've been talking to mine throughout this.
Are you trying to sue me?
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no.
I'm just as in the dark as you are.
I know we've never met.
So I don't know how this is possible,
but have you ever had any kind of contact with?
(04:36):
I have to get back to work.
I'm a geometry teacher.
Right.
10th grade.
How did you?
It's on the tapes.
You should probably talk to your lawyer just in case.
Make sure you feel comfortable about all this.
You know what I and then after that maybe call us back.
Yeah.
Yeah,
I'll call you back except she never did.
(05:20):
Jennifer Whitler died last week.
Car accident feels like it's always a car accident.
At least 90 people die a day from auto accidents.
There are 331 million people as of this recording in the United States.
And Jennifer happened to be one of those 90 what are the odds?
(05:42):
It seems suspicious to say the least that I finally get in contact with the mysterious woman from the tapes.
And she has as little idea as I do about what's going on.
Maybe we could have figured it out together.
But now Jennifer's sister,
Jessica,
former long time listener called the police about me,
at least I assume it was her because they paid a visit to my apartment the day after the accident.
(06:06):
So I turned on my mic just in case and that's all,
you know.
Yeah,
it's all recorded.
I run an Investigatory podcast so I've been recording everything you want proof where I was that day.
(06:29):
I got it.
Ok.
This is just preliminary stuff.
Honestly,
we got no signs of foul play.
It's all on the level.
But you know how it is.
Family member has a tip and we gotta look into it.
So it was definitely an accident.
Jennifer's death.
Yeah.
Tragic.
But yeah,
a driver was weaving through lanes and ended up slamming into her.
(06:50):
They both hit a median.
I hate stuff like that.
It's so random,
you know.
Yeah,
random.
Are you going to answer that?
It's,
it's just damn Robo College,
(07:11):
you know.
All right.
Well,
thank you for your time.
Mr Buchler did uh you need anything else?
Uh I know this probably isn't the time but me and the wife were big fans.
We loved your season.
Yeah.
Thanks.
(07:31):
Feels like a million years ago.
Now,
what did you ever end up doing with the million?
Uh you know,
uh you blow most of it on the new house and the new car.
You know,
this apartment seems like a downgrade from a house.
Don't need as much room when you're alone.
(07:54):
I was hesitant to tell the officer any more than that though.
After all,
he was the one delivering the news at Jennifer's death.
You don't think this is anything more than an accident?
Do you?
Ray Trisha?
Look at the timeline.
Jennifer dies a week after we finally talk.
You don't think that's suspicious.
I know.
I just don't see how they could have done it.
The other driver died too.
(08:16):
I don't see someone sacrificing themselves to keep the secrets of subsist safe.
Hey,
don't,
don't make fun of me.
Not right now.
I'm not making fun of you.
I know how easy it must be to jump into conspiracies right now.
I want to believe them too,
but you need to stay grounded.
Now.
We have to pick up the pace.
That's what we need to do.
(08:36):
We're running out of time.
Whoever plans on killing me on May 13th a month has already killed Jennifer.
Ok.
We can't know that for sure.
And we don't even know if that's you dying on the tape.
It sounds like it,
but it could be,
um,
me being tortured you.
I guess that's possible too.
Sounds way more fun.
(08:56):
Yeah.
All right.
Where are we on things?
I'm scheduling a meeting with Kira,
but she only wants to meet in person.
Well,
what's the problem?
She shows up out of the blue and asks for an in person meeting.
You think someone assassinated Jennifer Whitler?
But this doesn't concern you at worst.
She's a glory hunt looking for some attention before another payday at best.
(09:20):
She's got an answer.
At least similar story.
I really think you should talk to beanie before we move on,
talking to cops.
People actually dying.
This is getting really scary ray.
I never thought Jennifer would die because of this.
I never meant any of this to happen,
which is what makes getting to the end of this so important we have to solve it.
(10:03):
You know what's satisfying?
The crunch of a lobster cracking.
Am I at a fancy seafood restaurant?
No,
I'm just hanging out at home after a long night of working on my podcast.
Lobster at home.
You cry out in the night.
Yes.
With red apron.
You can order delicious fresh seafood options that are delivered same day to make sure nothing is uh fishy.
(10:24):
Sign up for red A print today.
There's more to it than you realize.
And you've never met this girl before.
She's not an ex from college or something.
Beanie.
I've lived in L A for almost two decades now.
She's in Hershey,
Pennsylvania.
(10:45):
Not a great crossroads for just bumping into each other at the store.
You know,
and you've been my lawyer for over half that time.
I haven't been your lawyer for years right now.
We don't even have manage your right.
The rest of the conversation between being involved,
(11:07):
my finances and although I share quite a bit with you,
I don't feel guilty for keeping this part to myself.
Beanie was my legal representation when I first won subsist and got the million dollars,
but I never ended up needing him until now.
Re we need to talk about you.
What do you mean that version of me on the recordings?
(11:28):
Yeah,
I want to know about me as well.
No,
I mean,
you,
you step away from the subsist stuff just for a moment.
How are you?
The only answer I can come up with is I cant step away from s sister,
(11:50):
which probably means I'm not good.
Huh?
You know,
there's a lot to listen to and,
like,
edit all that.
A lot of pizza boxes and Tica behind you.
Re,
when was the last time you cleaned up?
Oh,
it's not that,
it's not that bad.
It's not that bad.
Really?
Oh,
really?
There's just trash in this area,
(12:11):
like where you can see on the Zoom call in my recording studio.
The rest of the apartment doesn't look like this.
It doesn't look like this.
Your recording studio?
Don't you live in a one room apartment?
Ray?
When was the last time you had a normal conversation?
Just listened to someone and thought about what they said.
(12:31):
Hell.
When was the last time you stopped and really listened to yourself?
Listen to myself.
Beanie.
That's it.
You're a genius.
I know.
But don't try to get out of this.
I care about you.
And that's why we have to have this hard talk beanie.
I swear.
I,
no,
I promise we'll talk more.
But I gotta go,
I think I figured this out.
(12:58):
Beanie made me think about it.
We need to listen to myself.
You think I don't listen to your voice enough as it is.
No,
Trisha.
Think about the last couple of episodes.
We've gotten the Valentine's Day episode,
the New Year's episode.
Did anything stick out on those?
Uh that Sonny was always a bit of a stick in the mud.
No,
no,
no,
no,
no.
Remember how they started to commemorate the New Year.
(13:21):
I just wanted to give a shout out RT Crhtdu Bs D OS PB K.
Thank you for joining us during this very special Valentine's Day episode.
I know you secretly listen and you know,
I don't have time for cues Gnkzdzjo.
(13:43):
That's code.
What is that code?
Oh,
I can't make heads or tails of it.
I've seen a few ciphers in my day but it's um mostly hunter killer stuff.
I,
I have no idea what these letters are supposed to mean.
Yeah,
they're really random.
Wait,
do you have any friends that are into like puzzles?
Yeah,
I gotta go.
(14:04):
Alright.
Well,
as long as he's nicer than your physicist friend,
try not to pick a fight with everyone you meet.
Hey,
really?
Who's been calling you nonstop?
It's nothing.
Get your friend on the line.
Let's figure out this code.
I felt like every lead was coming up empty.
(14:26):
Every path turns into a dead end.
But I knew that if we cracked this one,
we'd figure out this whole thing.
We went to college together at UCL A you never told me you went to UCL A?
You never asked?
All right.
And I'm not making a good first impression at my Orleans.
(14:49):
I wonder you ever even one subsist Orleans?
This is Ray.
My thoughts turned to Beanie.
How I hadn't talked to someone in so long.
Everything was about subsist and these podcasts now,
I don't feel like the re the one sub sister 10 years ago.
All I have left are questions,
(15:11):
regrets.
But if I walk away now,
so Orleans,
you're the puzzle guy.
I guess he's being modest.
Marlene said one of those speed Rubik's cubes to practice going faster and he always won at Jenga.
(15:32):
Well,
I know who I'm calling next time.
I'm at the bar and they have that giant Jenga good at cup stacking too.
Jenga isn't quite the same.
It's about picking the dominant strategy and then judging the variables.
OK.
Forget Jenga.
We've got a cipher for you,
Brad.
Thank you for joining us during this very special Valentine's Day episode.
(15:52):
I know you secretly listen and I know I don't have any time for cues.
Gnkzd CJ O Wait.
Isn't that?
Don't,
you know the answer you didn't tell him.
It's a long story.
Let's just say,
I don't remember and then go listen to the podcast and give it a good review.
Is there a cipher or,
(16:12):
or code or whatever this reminds you of?
I looked at Caesar cipher and a substitution thing.
But I can't figure any real words from it.
Why don't you have any time for cues?
Does that mean anything questions?
Maybe I don't have any time for questions.
Are you guys testing me?
(16:33):
No,
that's exactly it.
Now,
what do you think I meant by the Cukes comment?
No time for cues.
It could mean eliminating Q as a possibility from the replacement aspect of cracking the cipher.
OK.
So whatever letters we're looking for,
(16:53):
Q can't be part of it.
Does that narrow it down or is that just a part of it?
I think,
let me just look this up real quick.
Just saying we could have Googled cipher too except you don't know what to type.
You don't know what you don't know.
Yeah,
I think I know what this is and it's an easy solve once you have part of the key and we have the key,
(17:16):
it's the Q not having the Q is the key,
right?
We're looking at a play fair cipher like Jimmy play fair from season seven.
No.
Ignore him.
What's a play fair cipher?
Well,
you have to create a 25 L grid five by five.
So first row should be ABC D and E down the line horizontally except the alphabet has 26 letters,
(17:39):
right?
So you have to remove one,
the Q.
So now we have 25 letters that are in play.
We have a couple of rules to a play fair cipher the first is that this needs to be solved in pairs of letters.
So if we needed to crack the letters T est,
that's four letters,
two pairs,
(18:00):
you start by solving T and E,
then S and T,
you need pairs of letters codes,
eight letters.
Perfect.
The next step is solving each pair.
Let's think about a pair of letters.
There are one of three things that can be true of each pair.
Number one,
they are in the same row.
(18:21):
Number two,
they're in the same column.
Number three,
neither.
And if this is the case,
you need to create a box around the letters with your two chosen letters as the corners opposing each other diagonally.
We just do one of those things,
right?
If it's in the same row or column,
you can't create a box with the letters in opposing corners diagonally,
(18:43):
same simple.
It is.
If you know what these ciphers are back in the day,
imagine intercepting a letter with the most random string of letters.
If there are repeat letters,
then we start introducing X's into the mix and everything gets a lot harder.
But let's just wait on that.
We might not need to do that.
All right,
let's get the first pair of letters going uh GN uh Orleans.
(19:10):
No,
it's your puzzle man.
I wanna see you completed.
There's something cool about seeing it,
unlocking someone else's eyes.
Isn't that what he says in the saw movies or something?
Just do it.
Ok.
All right.
G and Nr I and LK and Z that's O and V,
(19:32):
oh,
I think it's Dnzreny.
It's a Valentine's Day episode.
And Joro and U I love you.
Huh?
Congrats.
You solved your first Play Fair Ray.
(19:55):
Are you?
Ok.
What are we doing for off-season content?
Another brand Steele.
I think we're gonna do something new this summer.
(20:16):
Oh God.
Last time we try to do something new,
I ended up getting a bowl of soup tattooed on my calf.
Well,
we need a new theme song.
We've had the previous one for too long.
I told you I don't have anything.
You're gonna have some time this summer,
some free time.
I don't get a lot of free time with this show.
Right.
Exactly.
We're gonna have to take a break this summer.
(20:37):
What is mal pregnant or something?
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
nothing like that.
I'm just,
uh,
I'm gonna have to leave for a couple of months.
Family vacation.
It's a weird time to go on vacation.
Oh,
shit.
Well,
hey,
hey,
hey,
we're gonna lose our sponsorship with Green Apron.
(20:58):
If you talk like that,
come on,
you're going on.
Subsist this summer is when season 36 would be shooting timeline fits.
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no.
Just a vacation.
Ok.
Of course,
you have to deny it.
It's part of your contract.
You couldn't say yes.
But I know you Ray.
I know when you're lying and you're going back on Subsist.
(21:19):
Oh,
look,
spend some time on your music.
You'll still get half the returns on the show.
Paid time off.
Make us a killer theme song.
Mal,
you're letting this crazy bastard go.
It's going to be,
no,
we're not gonna be apart.
We're both going on vacation.
Right.
Let's,
let's cue that music.
Let's get the music going.
That's the end of the episode.
(21:52):
Life before Mal,
remember your first day of second grade at a new school and you don't recognize anyone and everything is scary.
Then by the end of the year you have tons of best friends and the memory of that first day seems so funny now.
Yeah,
you get what I'm talking about.
Imagine that except in reverse,
(22:14):
walking in with a best friend and walking back out alone.
I've done what I can to Barry Mall and my memories along with anything else that might distract me from finding the truth when you're on the island playing.
Subsist you have to learn to compartmentalize to lock away everything that will take your mind off the game.
(22:34):
I feel like I never got out of that headspace.
It's probably the reason why Malan I uh and the things,
it's also the reason that I subsisted that I won.
(23:06):
Damn it.
Damn.
Hello?
(23:31):
Come on,
Ray.
Hey,
Mal Ray,
what is going on with you?
I've been calling you for the past month.
I haven't been looking at my phone much lately.
(23:53):
Well,
not like it's been easy to reach you the past couple of years anyway,
I was,
um,
I was working,
I was working on something.
You don't have to make up excuses and listen to the podcast you're working on.
Yeah,
kind of different than the old one.
So,
please tell me this is some kind of like performance art thing or story.
(24:17):
Now it's real.
It's,
it's in the title Ray.
What have you gotten into?
Every part of me wanted to give her a smart ass response to throw her compassion right back in her face to prove that I didn't need her anymore.
(24:39):
I just couldn't do it.
There's a part of me that resents her,
but there's an even bigger part of me that'll never stop loving Mallory no matter what happens.
Ray,
what have you gotten into?
(24:59):
I don't know.
But scary the first time,
I don't know.
Actually scared here.
You need to call the police and say what that there are mysterious podcast episodes showing up on my hard drive.
They'll laugh me right out of the room.
Someone threatened you that one recording of you.
(25:20):
I know and I know,
I know,
I know.
I know.
There's just no sane way to present this to someone though.
Have you,
you know,
gotten a medical opinion?
Have I checked to see if I'm crazy?
I did check the carbon monoxide alarm.
I'm not saying you're crazy.
It's just your behavior,
(25:40):
my behavior.
What are you talking about?
Meanie said you're having a hard time again.
Oh my God,
I'm not destroying myself.
I'm not some alcoholic or into drugs or parties.
I didn't do that when you know everything happened between us either.
Ok.
I'm not saying that I'm just saying I'm stressed.
This whole thing is just taking up all my time and I'm,
(26:02):
I was figuring out a work life balance before this.
Right.
I'm not trying to use this to comment on a relationship or make a judgment on you.
Does that sound like me?
No,
I care about you and we can't be together anymore.
But that doesn't mean I can erase everything I ever felt.
(26:26):
I still want you to be OK.
Right.
I'm OK.
Mel don't go into your subsist mode where you ignore everything and focus on your work.
No,
really?
I'm good.
Thanks Ray for once.
Just let subsist go.
You never needed it.
(26:46):
I can't this time.
Ok.
Just this time though.
Once this one's over,
I'm done with Subsist.
Hm.
That's a good thing.
But I've heard those words before.
Winning.
Didn't improve you to me.
I loved you before you ever won anything.
(27:11):
But did I love me?
The extremity of the situation may be new to meal,
but the feelings of me overwhelming myself and mal being left at the wreckage are old before I played.
(27:34):
Subsist.
I was obsessed with subsist.
I watched every episode.
Frontwards backwards.
Out of order.
I studied the edits.
I studied the character arcs,
the music,
the post game interviews.
I read books,
every Sonia Orbison article.
All the theories I even wrote a bunch of them was all about.
Subsist.
Every second,
every minute I had met Mal in college.
(28:01):
I was working for an accountant back then.
I did bookkeeping on an auto repair place.
She was a legal aid for the owner's lawyer.
We met across a room.
It wasn't love at first sight or anything.
We just talked in the parking lot,
but those minutes we talked turned into a decade.
(28:21):
My love for subsist always felt like this awkward thing in between us,
like in older cars when someone rides in that middle seat up front,
it just feels like something jammed in there that isn't supposed to be.
And now at the end of it I think about regret,
you know,
did I spend too much time fixated on a reality show?
(28:45):
Did I care more about people on the internet?
People who would eventually become my fans?
Do I care more about them than I did my own wife?
And what do I have to show for?
Not much of a life.
Not much of a winner either.
(29:07):
I'm starting to wonder what's the point of subsisting if it means you can't be happy.
(29:35):
Right.
Right.
Right.
Ray.
Are you ok?
Let's just solve this next one?
You really should answer that or block them.
At least I'm gonna call them back.
Tell them what they want to hear.
So she leaves me alone.
She,
(29:56):
are you talking about Marlins?
You beautiful genius.
Let's solve that.
Next one I gave you to the tool to solve it.
It's up to you.
Now,
what's the second code?
Trisha RT Crhtdub space SD OS PB K.
(30:18):
OK.
So let's start with RT uh S and U cr is BS.
So this word is subsist.
The first word is subsist,
winner,
maybe,
subsist,
winner.
That's who I'd be thanking though.
That doesn't make sense.
OK.
So what's BS R completes the end of subsist?
(30:40):
And the next letter is CD O comes out to en ce N uh next group of letters gives us tr then A L Ce Ntrals sister Central.
What is that?
I,
I don't know Ray,
(31:01):
it's a website.
It was never a huge website.
It was run by one guy or something.
That's what you're thinking.
Who is subsist central?
I don't know.
It's a fan site back in the old days.
The subsist,
you know,
when it was really big.
I,
you remember when it premiered after the Super Bowl those days?
Dude,
I was like one,
(31:22):
the bigger question is why does this,
you the,
you on the fake podcast know this code and you didn't.
I sort of never.
Now hold on a second.
Have you seen it before?
You know what I think I have when I played some sister,
the way production will give you information was through a mailbox called Sail Mail.
(31:46):
A giant mast planted in the ground with a mailbox.
They used to put letters of clues to what our challenge would be in there.
On the Dominican Republic season.
They actually hit a clue to an invulnerability artifact in a letter we received through sale mail.
I remember seeing random letters scattered at the bottom but I didn't solve it.
Carlos solved it.
He went and found the artifact but he never ended up using it.
(32:06):
I didn't even know he had it until after the season when I was watching it on TV.
Like everyone else,
it seems this other,
you the one that didn't win subsist knows a play for your cipher.
Maybe he,
he got the artifact.
Tricia check out.
Subsist Central.
I don't even know if this site still exists but we gotta look into it.
(32:26):
Wait,
is this all pretend or part of a story or something?
I'm so confused.
It's for the podcast.
Big guy.
We're just trying to keep things entertaining.
You get it.
No,
I really don't.
Trisha anything.
I don't know.
It's just like any other subsist website talking about season 34 and the cancellation and stuff seems totally normal.
(32:50):
Another dead end.
Maybe I should talk to Carlos and figure out how he solved the play Forcier.
Yeah,
this is just useless stuff.
I don't see what could be useful.
I guess we need to talk to the creator.
Why bother for all we know,
subsist central might be the biggest website for subsist in the other Ray's world.
I'm so sick of this Tricia.
(33:12):
Keep looking.
I gotta take this oil in sinks for everything.
What did we even do?
I ask myself that every day?
Ok.
I ended my session with Trisha in Orleans to call meal.
(33:35):
That's what you heard before and afterwards I didn't feel right.
I felt drained,
empty,
emptier than usual.
I don't know what happened to me here when I changed.
I used to be nicer happier.
I want some sister because people liked me and trusted me and now I don't even like being around me.
(34:00):
I wasn't gonna stop looking into this.
But after talking to Mallory,
I really wish I could.
I won a million dollars.
But how come it feels like I lost everything?
(34:20):
Hey,
Trisha.
Thanks for calling back.
But uh I think I'm gonna take a break for tonight.
I just don't have it in me.
Here we go again.
Ray.
Every time I think we're out of rope,
someone lengthens the noose.
Wait,
what is it?
Do you know the creator of subsist Central?
His name is Clarence.
He,
he wrote everything.
Oh,
yeah,
I remember Clarence now.
(34:40):
Yeah,
he was all right.
I like some of his stuff but he,
you know,
he was kind of uh weird for lack of a better term.
I can't remember why.
I thought that though.
Probably because he writes fan fiction about subsist.
Oh,
that's right.
He used to create his own seasons and write out these elaborate superstar seasons with returning players.
(35:01):
I actually liked some of his writing,
but I wasn't about to spend time reading fan fiction.
Well,
you really should have.
I don't know why.
Let me read you his version of the season.
Dominican Republic,
the one he wrote after the season aired after,
why would you write a fan fic after the season ended at that point?
(35:22):
Everybody knows how it's gonna go.
Ray leaned forward,
he could feel the fire in the center of island judgment on his face.
He knew that he needed to survive this vote to make it to terminal judgment.
But Carlos and Leah would be fools to let him go.
They both knew that he would win and when Ray couldn't win the invulnerability necklace at the terminal challenge,
(35:45):
they knew that Ray couldn't stay.
The decision had come down to Leah since she had won Curtis Lowe trudged to the podium with a clay pot that contained the ballot.
What would it say?
Carlos or re Ray had played the better game?
Carlos was a likable underdog though Leo would do well to eliminate either one who would subsist.
(36:12):
Curtis Lowe opened the ballot and read his grim face,
betrayed nothing.
He looked up and flipped the ballot.
Ray,
Ray groaned in agony.
He had been so close and now he'd be joining the Shadow council on day 38 to choose the ultimate subsist.
(36:34):
Ray brought his torch forward.
Curtis lowered his extinguisher to eliminate the flame.
Ray had been voted out of subsist.
He had played such a good game that he'd likely never win because he'd be voted out immediately.
If he were to return,
he was too dangerous.
He could sway minds with his words,
(36:56):
change their thoughts and they wouldn't even realize.
But we wouldn't see Ray again until season 36.
When was this written,
December 2011?
More than a year after you won.
But a decade before we found that recording of Sonny figuring out I,
(37:18):
uh,
Ray plays in season 36.
There's no way they can be connected though.
Right.
Let's give Clarence a call.
(37:47):
Subsist a real podcast will return in two weeks.
Continue the investigation on Patreon with exclusive bonus episodes and more links in the show notes.
Thank you for joining us during this very special Valentine's Day episode.
I know you secretly listen and you know,
I don't have time for cues.
Gnkzdzjo is this part of the green apron sponsor script or something?
I never went.
This is an interesting comment in the stream.
Which one?
Tyler Bunny 22 asks who does the song,
the subsist song?
(00:45):
No,
he's talking who does our song and the answer to that Tyler is our very own.
Sonny Tillman.
Yeah,
I made this 10 God.
It's been 10 years now.
It hasn't been that long since 2008.
Has it?
Do you think we need a new one?
I don't know the shows change songs.
I like this one.
Yeah,
I was just wondering maybe something to do.
Well,
(01:05):
do you have another song you want to use for the show?
We can change the song.
If you have a new one you're trying to show off.
No,
I,
I don't have anything.
Not right now.
You know how it is.
I'm not sure I do know how it is.
Well,
it's hard to hold on to a job where you make your money.
A side gig and your ambitions.
This shows your mistress.
Then I guess,
I don't know.
(01:26):
It just feels like I haven't had much time for music because of subsist.
But I'm really just making excuses for myself.
Yeah.
I wanted to pitch sitcoms and shows and stuff to producers when I first moved out here to L A.
But I guess you're right,
other stuff gets in the way you're in your early twenties and you think you have all the time in the world to figure it out and you'll create once you get a second,
(01:46):
but you look up and you're 30 you haven't made anything in years.
Well,
what about this?
You're a successful podcaster,
right?
No,
you're right.
And I do love doing this.
I don't know,
I guess it's hard to realize what you've given up to move forward.
You always have to let something go behind you.
I'm just scared of what I've let go.
(02:09):
You need to call me back or I'm getting the police involved.
This is getting kind of serious.
Now,
are,
are you calling her?
But yeah,
you heard her?
She's gonna call the police if we don't get this figured out,
you know how it sounds when you hear your voice in a recording that you didn't do.
I understand Jennifer's panic.
Are you still recording?
Oh,
yeah,
we're documenting all of this.
(02:34):
Are you gonna answer that?
It's not important and this is important.
This is about looking into these mystery episodes that keep showing up on my drive of our old podcast that ended over five years ago,
all based on a canceled reality show,
subsist culminating in a recording of my death due in a few months.
And now the woman on the original recording,
we found Jennifer Whitler is freaking out and I have to call her back to try to explain why her voice is on a recording.
(03:00):
She never did that figure out what she has to do with this.
I meant what are we doing?
Why are we still recording?
The police might get involved?
We have to make an account in case I do die in case anyone can hear this that is experiencing the same thing,
we have to keep going because this is real.
It's not fake.
Like everyone keeps saying because this,
(03:23):
this subsist a real podcast.
(03:50):
Hello,
Jennifer Whitler.
Who is this?
It's Ray Buchler.
You called me earlier?
Sorry,
I was in Eureka and on the drive home.
And how do you have recordings of my voice?
Who are you?
I don't know,
I mean,
I mean,
I know,
I don't know how the recording exists.
I know who I am.
Is this like an art thing?
You know,
I've just about been asked that every which way you can possibly imagine.
(04:14):
And I still don't know.
My sister says I should talk to my lawyer first.
That's not bad advice.
I know I've been talking to mine throughout this.
Are you trying to sue me?
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no.
I'm just as in the dark as you are.
I know we've never met.
So I don't know how this is possible,
but have you ever had any kind of contact with?
(04:36):
I have to get back to work.
I'm a geometry teacher.
Right.
10th grade.
How did you?
It's on the tapes.
You should probably talk to your lawyer just in case.
Make sure you feel comfortable about all this.
You know what I and then after that maybe call us back.
Yeah.
Yeah,
I'll call you back except she never did.
(05:20):
Jennifer Whitler died last week.
Car accident feels like it's always a car accident.
At least 90 people die a day from auto accidents.
There are 331 million people as of this recording in the United States.
And Jennifer happened to be one of those 90 what are the odds?
(05:42):
It seems suspicious to say the least that I finally get in contact with the mysterious woman from the tapes.
And she has as little idea as I do about what's going on.
Maybe we could have figured it out together.
But now Jennifer's sister,
Jessica,
former long time listener called the police about me,
at least I assume it was her because they paid a visit to my apartment the day after the accident.
(06:06):
So I turned on my mic just in case and that's all,
you know.
Yeah,
it's all recorded.
I run an Investigatory podcast so I've been recording everything you want proof where I was that day.
(06:29):
I got it.
Ok.
This is just preliminary stuff.
Honestly,
we got no signs of foul play.
It's all on the level.
But you know how it is.
Family member has a tip and we gotta look into it.
So it was definitely an accident.
Jennifer's death.
Yeah.
Tragic.
But yeah,
a driver was weaving through lanes and ended up slamming into her.
(06:50):
They both hit a median.
I hate stuff like that.
It's so random,
you know.
Yeah,
random.
Are you going to answer that?
It's,
it's just damn Robo College,
(07:11):
you know.
All right.
Well,
thank you for your time.
Mr Buchler did uh you need anything else?
Uh I know this probably isn't the time but me and the wife were big fans.
We loved your season.
Yeah.
Thanks.
(07:31):
Feels like a million years ago.
Now,
what did you ever end up doing with the million?
Uh you know,
uh you blow most of it on the new house and the new car.
You know,
this apartment seems like a downgrade from a house.
Don't need as much room when you're alone.
(07:54):
I was hesitant to tell the officer any more than that though.
After all,
he was the one delivering the news at Jennifer's death.
You don't think this is anything more than an accident?
Do you?
Ray Trisha?
Look at the timeline.
Jennifer dies a week after we finally talk.
You don't think that's suspicious.
I know.
I just don't see how they could have done it.
The other driver died too.
(08:16):
I don't see someone sacrificing themselves to keep the secrets of subsist safe.
Hey,
don't,
don't make fun of me.
Not right now.
I'm not making fun of you.
I know how easy it must be to jump into conspiracies right now.
I want to believe them too,
but you need to stay grounded.
Now.
We have to pick up the pace.
That's what we need to do.
(08:36):
We're running out of time.
Whoever plans on killing me on May 13th a month has already killed Jennifer.
Ok.
We can't know that for sure.
And we don't even know if that's you dying on the tape.
It sounds like it,
but it could be,
um,
me being tortured you.
I guess that's possible too.
Sounds way more fun.
(08:56):
Yeah.
All right.
Where are we on things?
I'm scheduling a meeting with Kira,
but she only wants to meet in person.
Well,
what's the problem?
She shows up out of the blue and asks for an in person meeting.
You think someone assassinated Jennifer Whitler?
But this doesn't concern you at worst.
She's a glory hunt looking for some attention before another payday at best.
(09:20):
She's got an answer.
At least similar story.
I really think you should talk to beanie before we move on,
talking to cops.
People actually dying.
This is getting really scary ray.
I never thought Jennifer would die because of this.
I never meant any of this to happen,
which is what makes getting to the end of this so important we have to solve it.
(10:03):
You know what's satisfying?
The crunch of a lobster cracking.
Am I at a fancy seafood restaurant?
No,
I'm just hanging out at home after a long night of working on my podcast.
Lobster at home.
You cry out in the night.
Yes.
With red apron.
You can order delicious fresh seafood options that are delivered same day to make sure nothing is uh fishy.
(10:24):
Sign up for red A print today.
There's more to it than you realize.
And you've never met this girl before.
She's not an ex from college or something.
Beanie.
I've lived in L A for almost two decades now.
She's in Hershey,
Pennsylvania.
(10:45):
Not a great crossroads for just bumping into each other at the store.
You know,
and you've been my lawyer for over half that time.
I haven't been your lawyer for years right now.
We don't even have manage your right.
The rest of the conversation between being involved,
(11:07):
my finances and although I share quite a bit with you,
I don't feel guilty for keeping this part to myself.
Beanie was my legal representation when I first won subsist and got the million dollars,
but I never ended up needing him until now.
Re we need to talk about you.
What do you mean that version of me on the recordings?
(11:28):
Yeah,
I want to know about me as well.
No,
I mean,
you,
you step away from the subsist stuff just for a moment.
How are you?
The only answer I can come up with is I cant step away from s sister,
(11:50):
which probably means I'm not good.
Huh?
You know,
there's a lot to listen to and,
like,
edit all that.
A lot of pizza boxes and Tica behind you.
Re,
when was the last time you cleaned up?
Oh,
it's not that,
it's not that bad.
It's not that bad.
Really?
Oh,
really?
There's just trash in this area,
(12:11):
like where you can see on the Zoom call in my recording studio.
The rest of the apartment doesn't look like this.
It doesn't look like this.
Your recording studio?
Don't you live in a one room apartment?
Ray?
When was the last time you had a normal conversation?
Just listened to someone and thought about what they said.
(12:31):
Hell.
When was the last time you stopped and really listened to yourself?
Listen to myself.
Beanie.
That's it.
You're a genius.
I know.
But don't try to get out of this.
I care about you.
And that's why we have to have this hard talk beanie.
I swear.
I,
no,
I promise we'll talk more.
But I gotta go,
I think I figured this out.
(12:58):
Beanie made me think about it.
We need to listen to myself.
You think I don't listen to your voice enough as it is.
No,
Trisha.
Think about the last couple of episodes.
We've gotten the Valentine's Day episode,
the New Year's episode.
Did anything stick out on those?
Uh that Sonny was always a bit of a stick in the mud.
No,
no,
no,
no,
no.
Remember how they started to commemorate the New Year.
(13:21):
I just wanted to give a shout out RT Crhtdu Bs D OS PB K.
Thank you for joining us during this very special Valentine's Day episode.
I know you secretly listen and you know,
I don't have time for cues Gnkzdzjo.
(13:43):
That's code.
What is that code?
Oh,
I can't make heads or tails of it.
I've seen a few ciphers in my day but it's um mostly hunter killer stuff.
I,
I have no idea what these letters are supposed to mean.
Yeah,
they're really random.
Wait,
do you have any friends that are into like puzzles?
Yeah,
I gotta go.
(14:04):
Alright.
Well,
as long as he's nicer than your physicist friend,
try not to pick a fight with everyone you meet.
Hey,
really?
Who's been calling you nonstop?
It's nothing.
Get your friend on the line.
Let's figure out this code.
I felt like every lead was coming up empty.
(14:26):
Every path turns into a dead end.
But I knew that if we cracked this one,
we'd figure out this whole thing.
We went to college together at UCL A you never told me you went to UCL A?
You never asked?
All right.
And I'm not making a good first impression at my Orleans.
(14:49):
I wonder you ever even one subsist Orleans?
This is Ray.
My thoughts turned to Beanie.
How I hadn't talked to someone in so long.
Everything was about subsist and these podcasts now,
I don't feel like the re the one sub sister 10 years ago.
All I have left are questions,
(15:11):
regrets.
But if I walk away now,
so Orleans,
you're the puzzle guy.
I guess he's being modest.
Marlene said one of those speed Rubik's cubes to practice going faster and he always won at Jenga.
(15:32):
Well,
I know who I'm calling next time.
I'm at the bar and they have that giant Jenga good at cup stacking too.
Jenga isn't quite the same.
It's about picking the dominant strategy and then judging the variables.
OK.
Forget Jenga.
We've got a cipher for you,
Brad.
Thank you for joining us during this very special Valentine's Day episode.
(15:52):
I know you secretly listen and I know I don't have any time for cues.
Gnkzd CJ O Wait.
Isn't that?
Don't,
you know the answer you didn't tell him.
It's a long story.
Let's just say,
I don't remember and then go listen to the podcast and give it a good review.
Is there a cipher or,
(16:12):
or code or whatever this reminds you of?
I looked at Caesar cipher and a substitution thing.
But I can't figure any real words from it.
Why don't you have any time for cues?
Does that mean anything questions?
Maybe I don't have any time for questions.
Are you guys testing me?
(16:33):
No,
that's exactly it.
Now,
what do you think I meant by the Cukes comment?
No time for cues.
It could mean eliminating Q as a possibility from the replacement aspect of cracking the cipher.
OK.
So whatever letters we're looking for,
(16:53):
Q can't be part of it.
Does that narrow it down or is that just a part of it?
I think,
let me just look this up real quick.
Just saying we could have Googled cipher too except you don't know what to type.
You don't know what you don't know.
Yeah,
I think I know what this is and it's an easy solve once you have part of the key and we have the key,
(17:16):
it's the Q not having the Q is the key,
right?
We're looking at a play fair cipher like Jimmy play fair from season seven.
No.
Ignore him.
What's a play fair cipher?
Well,
you have to create a 25 L grid five by five.
So first row should be ABC D and E down the line horizontally except the alphabet has 26 letters,
(17:39):
right?
So you have to remove one,
the Q.
So now we have 25 letters that are in play.
We have a couple of rules to a play fair cipher the first is that this needs to be solved in pairs of letters.
So if we needed to crack the letters T est,
that's four letters,
two pairs,
(18:00):
you start by solving T and E,
then S and T,
you need pairs of letters codes,
eight letters.
Perfect.
The next step is solving each pair.
Let's think about a pair of letters.
There are one of three things that can be true of each pair.
Number one,
they are in the same row.
(18:21):
Number two,
they're in the same column.
Number three,
neither.
And if this is the case,
you need to create a box around the letters with your two chosen letters as the corners opposing each other diagonally.
We just do one of those things,
right?
If it's in the same row or column,
you can't create a box with the letters in opposing corners diagonally,
(18:43):
same simple.
It is.
If you know what these ciphers are back in the day,
imagine intercepting a letter with the most random string of letters.
If there are repeat letters,
then we start introducing X's into the mix and everything gets a lot harder.
But let's just wait on that.
We might not need to do that.
All right,
let's get the first pair of letters going uh GN uh Orleans.
(19:10):
No,
it's your puzzle man.
I wanna see you completed.
There's something cool about seeing it,
unlocking someone else's eyes.
Isn't that what he says in the saw movies or something?
Just do it.
Ok.
All right.
G and Nr I and LK and Z that's O and V,
(19:32):
oh,
I think it's Dnzreny.
It's a Valentine's Day episode.
And Joro and U I love you.
Huh?
Congrats.
You solved your first Play Fair Ray.
(19:55):
Are you?
Ok.
What are we doing for off-season content?
Another brand Steele.
I think we're gonna do something new this summer.
(20:16):
Oh God.
Last time we try to do something new,
I ended up getting a bowl of soup tattooed on my calf.
Well,
we need a new theme song.
We've had the previous one for too long.
I told you I don't have anything.
You're gonna have some time this summer,
some free time.
I don't get a lot of free time with this show.
Right.
Exactly.
We're gonna have to take a break this summer.
(20:37):
What is mal pregnant or something?
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
nothing like that.
I'm just,
uh,
I'm gonna have to leave for a couple of months.
Family vacation.
It's a weird time to go on vacation.
Oh,
shit.
Well,
hey,
hey,
hey,
we're gonna lose our sponsorship with Green Apron.
(20:58):
If you talk like that,
come on,
you're going on.
Subsist this summer is when season 36 would be shooting timeline fits.
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no.
Just a vacation.
Ok.
Of course,
you have to deny it.
It's part of your contract.
You couldn't say yes.
But I know you Ray.
I know when you're lying and you're going back on Subsist.
(21:19):
Oh,
look,
spend some time on your music.
You'll still get half the returns on the show.
Paid time off.
Make us a killer theme song.
Mal,
you're letting this crazy bastard go.
It's going to be,
no,
we're not gonna be apart.
We're both going on vacation.
Right.
Let's,
let's cue that music.
Let's get the music going.
That's the end of the episode.
(21:52):
Life before Mal,
remember your first day of second grade at a new school and you don't recognize anyone and everything is scary.
Then by the end of the year you have tons of best friends and the memory of that first day seems so funny now.
Yeah,
you get what I'm talking about.
Imagine that except in reverse,
(22:14):
walking in with a best friend and walking back out alone.
I've done what I can to Barry Mall and my memories along with anything else that might distract me from finding the truth when you're on the island playing.
Subsist you have to learn to compartmentalize to lock away everything that will take your mind off the game.
(22:34):
I feel like I never got out of that headspace.
It's probably the reason why Malan I uh and the things,
it's also the reason that I subsisted that I won.
(23:06):
Damn it.
Damn.
Hello?
(23:31):
Come on,
Ray.
Hey,
Mal Ray,
what is going on with you?
I've been calling you for the past month.
I haven't been looking at my phone much lately.
(23:53):
Well,
not like it's been easy to reach you the past couple of years anyway,
I was,
um,
I was working,
I was working on something.
You don't have to make up excuses and listen to the podcast you're working on.
Yeah,
kind of different than the old one.
So,
please tell me this is some kind of like performance art thing or story.
(24:17):
Now it's real.
It's,
it's in the title Ray.
What have you gotten into?
Every part of me wanted to give her a smart ass response to throw her compassion right back in her face to prove that I didn't need her anymore.
(24:39):
I just couldn't do it.
There's a part of me that resents her,
but there's an even bigger part of me that'll never stop loving Mallory no matter what happens.
Ray,
what have you gotten into?
(24:59):
I don't know.
But scary the first time,
I don't know.
Actually scared here.
You need to call the police and say what that there are mysterious podcast episodes showing up on my hard drive.
They'll laugh me right out of the room.
Someone threatened you that one recording of you.
(25:20):
I know and I know,
I know,
I know.
I know.
There's just no sane way to present this to someone though.
Have you,
you know,
gotten a medical opinion?
Have I checked to see if I'm crazy?
I did check the carbon monoxide alarm.
I'm not saying you're crazy.
It's just your behavior,
(25:40):
my behavior.
What are you talking about?
Meanie said you're having a hard time again.
Oh my God,
I'm not destroying myself.
I'm not some alcoholic or into drugs or parties.
I didn't do that when you know everything happened between us either.
Ok.
I'm not saying that I'm just saying I'm stressed.
This whole thing is just taking up all my time and I'm,
(26:02):
I was figuring out a work life balance before this.
Right.
I'm not trying to use this to comment on a relationship or make a judgment on you.
Does that sound like me?
No,
I care about you and we can't be together anymore.
But that doesn't mean I can erase everything I ever felt.
(26:26):
I still want you to be OK.
Right.
I'm OK.
Mel don't go into your subsist mode where you ignore everything and focus on your work.
No,
really?
I'm good.
Thanks Ray for once.
Just let subsist go.
You never needed it.
(26:46):
I can't this time.
Ok.
Just this time though.
Once this one's over,
I'm done with Subsist.
Hm.
That's a good thing.
But I've heard those words before.
Winning.
Didn't improve you to me.
I loved you before you ever won anything.
(27:11):
But did I love me?
The extremity of the situation may be new to meal,
but the feelings of me overwhelming myself and mal being left at the wreckage are old before I played.
(27:34):
Subsist.
I was obsessed with subsist.
I watched every episode.
Frontwards backwards.
Out of order.
I studied the edits.
I studied the character arcs,
the music,
the post game interviews.
I read books,
every Sonia Orbison article.
All the theories I even wrote a bunch of them was all about.
Subsist.
Every second,
every minute I had met Mal in college.
(28:01):
I was working for an accountant back then.
I did bookkeeping on an auto repair place.
She was a legal aid for the owner's lawyer.
We met across a room.
It wasn't love at first sight or anything.
We just talked in the parking lot,
but those minutes we talked turned into a decade.
(28:21):
My love for subsist always felt like this awkward thing in between us,
like in older cars when someone rides in that middle seat up front,
it just feels like something jammed in there that isn't supposed to be.
And now at the end of it I think about regret,
you know,
did I spend too much time fixated on a reality show?
(28:45):
Did I care more about people on the internet?
People who would eventually become my fans?
Do I care more about them than I did my own wife?
And what do I have to show for?
Not much of a life.
Not much of a winner either.
(29:07):
I'm starting to wonder what's the point of subsisting if it means you can't be happy.
(29:35):
Right.
Right.
Right.
Ray.
Are you ok?
Let's just solve this next one?
You really should answer that or block them.
At least I'm gonna call them back.
Tell them what they want to hear.
So she leaves me alone.
She,
(29:56):
are you talking about Marlins?
You beautiful genius.
Let's solve that.
Next one I gave you to the tool to solve it.
It's up to you.
Now,
what's the second code?
Trisha RT Crhtdub space SD OS PB K.
(30:18):
OK.
So let's start with RT uh S and U cr is BS.
So this word is subsist.
The first word is subsist,
winner,
maybe,
subsist,
winner.
That's who I'd be thanking though.
That doesn't make sense.
OK.
So what's BS R completes the end of subsist?
(30:40):
And the next letter is CD O comes out to en ce N uh next group of letters gives us tr then A L Ce Ntrals sister Central.
What is that?
I,
I don't know Ray,
(31:01):
it's a website.
It was never a huge website.
It was run by one guy or something.
That's what you're thinking.
Who is subsist central?
I don't know.
It's a fan site back in the old days.
The subsist,
you know,
when it was really big.
I,
you remember when it premiered after the Super Bowl those days?
Dude,
I was like one,
(31:22):
the bigger question is why does this,
you the,
you on the fake podcast know this code and you didn't.
I sort of never.
Now hold on a second.
Have you seen it before?
You know what I think I have when I played some sister,
the way production will give you information was through a mailbox called Sail Mail.
(31:46):
A giant mast planted in the ground with a mailbox.
They used to put letters of clues to what our challenge would be in there.
On the Dominican Republic season.
They actually hit a clue to an invulnerability artifact in a letter we received through sale mail.
I remember seeing random letters scattered at the bottom but I didn't solve it.
Carlos solved it.
He went and found the artifact but he never ended up using it.
(32:06):
I didn't even know he had it until after the season when I was watching it on TV.
Like everyone else,
it seems this other,
you the one that didn't win subsist knows a play for your cipher.
Maybe he,
he got the artifact.
Tricia check out.
Subsist Central.
I don't even know if this site still exists but we gotta look into it.
(32:26):
Wait,
is this all pretend or part of a story or something?
I'm so confused.
It's for the podcast.
Big guy.
We're just trying to keep things entertaining.
You get it.
No,
I really don't.
Trisha anything.
I don't know.
It's just like any other subsist website talking about season 34 and the cancellation and stuff seems totally normal.
(32:50):
Another dead end.
Maybe I should talk to Carlos and figure out how he solved the play Forcier.
Yeah,
this is just useless stuff.
I don't see what could be useful.
I guess we need to talk to the creator.
Why bother for all we know,
subsist central might be the biggest website for subsist in the other Ray's world.
I'm so sick of this Tricia.
(33:12):
Keep looking.
I gotta take this oil in sinks for everything.
What did we even do?
I ask myself that every day?
Ok.
I ended my session with Trisha in Orleans to call meal.
(33:35):
That's what you heard before and afterwards I didn't feel right.
I felt drained,
empty,
emptier than usual.
I don't know what happened to me here when I changed.
I used to be nicer happier.
I want some sister because people liked me and trusted me and now I don't even like being around me.
(34:00):
I wasn't gonna stop looking into this.
But after talking to Mallory,
I really wish I could.
I won a million dollars.
But how come it feels like I lost everything?
(34:20):
Hey,
Trisha.
Thanks for calling back.
But uh I think I'm gonna take a break for tonight.
I just don't have it in me.
Here we go again.
Ray.
Every time I think we're out of rope,
someone lengthens the noose.
Wait,
what is it?
Do you know the creator of subsist Central?
His name is Clarence.
He,
he wrote everything.
Oh,
yeah,
I remember Clarence now.
(34:40):
Yeah,
he was all right.
I like some of his stuff but he,
you know,
he was kind of uh weird for lack of a better term.
I can't remember why.
I thought that though.
Probably because he writes fan fiction about subsist.
Oh,
that's right.
He used to create his own seasons and write out these elaborate superstar seasons with returning players.
(35:01):
I actually liked some of his writing,
but I wasn't about to spend time reading fan fiction.
Well,
you really should have.
I don't know why.
Let me read you his version of the season.
Dominican Republic,
the one he wrote after the season aired after,
why would you write a fan fic after the season ended at that point?
(35:22):
Everybody knows how it's gonna go.
Ray leaned forward,
he could feel the fire in the center of island judgment on his face.
He knew that he needed to survive this vote to make it to terminal judgment.
But Carlos and Leah would be fools to let him go.
They both knew that he would win and when Ray couldn't win the invulnerability necklace at the terminal challenge,
(35:45):
they knew that Ray couldn't stay.
The decision had come down to Leah since she had won Curtis Lowe trudged to the podium with a clay pot that contained the ballot.
What would it say?
Carlos or re Ray had played the better game?
Carlos was a likable underdog though Leo would do well to eliminate either one who would subsist.
(36:12):
Curtis Lowe opened the ballot and read his grim face,
betrayed nothing.
He looked up and flipped the ballot.
Ray,
Ray groaned in agony.
He had been so close and now he'd be joining the Shadow council on day 38 to choose the ultimate subsist.
(36:34):
Ray brought his torch forward.
Curtis lowered his extinguisher to eliminate the flame.
Ray had been voted out of subsist.
He had played such a good game that he'd likely never win because he'd be voted out immediately.
If he were to return,
he was too dangerous.
He could sway minds with his words,
(36:56):
change their thoughts and they wouldn't even realize.
But we wouldn't see Ray again until season 36.
When was this written,
December 2011?
More than a year after you won.
But a decade before we found that recording of Sonny figuring out I,
(37:18):
uh,
Ray plays in season 36.
There's no way they can be connected though.
Right.
Let's give Clarence a call.
(37:47):
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