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December 3, 2024 18 mins

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Have you ever wondered if the essence of substitute teaching has truly changed over the years? As I step back into the classroom, I reflect on my own school days and how my role has evolved. Join me for a nostalgic journey that contrasts the traditional strict approach with a more positive and friendly style. In a recent elementary classroom incident, I found that kindness and understanding can have a profound impact, turning a day of substitute teaching into a truly rewarding experience. I’ll also share a memorable moment from cafeteria duty, illustrating how respect and empathy can create a more harmonious environment for everyone involved.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Greg Collins, substitute Teachers Lounge,
december 3rd 2024.
I've been looking forward torecording this one.
I hope you enjoy it as much asme.
I'm a nostalgic kind of guy.
I even had a website at onetime called Nostalgic Guru that
I did nostalgic stuff on.
I watched an older show thatwas based on even an older time

(00:26):
period.
Then it got me thinking aboutwhen I had substitute teachers
when I was in school.
Then I substitute taughtelementary school and a couple
of things happened that made methink, you know, are students
different today than they werein years past?

(00:47):
Or maybe, even more importantly, are substitutes today
different than they were inyears past?
So that's what we're going totalk about.
Happy Holidays, the fourthgrade Substitute Teachers'
Lounge.
All right, hope you had a goodThanksgiving holiday.

(01:17):
I know I did.
We have found out that mydaughter-in-law is going to be
on one of the cookie challengesthat's on the Food Network.
It's going to be December 19th,I think that is at 9 pm, if you
guys want to watch that Also.
That same family, the same lady, is going to give us a new

(01:40):
grandchild in July.
So we're going to be up toseven grandchildren and that is
certainly exciting for us.
So monumental weekend for us,this particular episode.
I've been thinking for a whileof doing all right, I remember
subs for my day.
I remember students how theytreated subs for my day and I'm

(02:05):
thinking is it really thatdifferent than it is today?
Now, I'll let you think aboutthat for a while.
I will tell you this Imentioned in the opening about
an old show and even though thatoccurs first chronologically, I
think I'm going to save it forlast and I'm going to start with
today.
Okay, so, and remember, I'vebeen subbing a lot of elementary

(02:33):
school.
I will say one of my memoriesof high school, and it wasn't
really that bad I was in oneclass and a student reacted
negatively to something I saidand I just made the comment man,
you really heat up fast.
And when I said that to him, helooked at me and apologized and
I realized, you know, rather Icould have reacted differently.

(02:57):
I could have said listen, yousettle down the fact that I was,
at least quasi, not nice aboutit.
He said I'm sorry.
And from then on I didn't havehim in class that much, but
every time he saw me in thehallway he would speak and wave
and I thought that was sointeresting that maybe, instead

(03:20):
of us saying my how studentshave changed over the years Well
, I'm not so sure they havethey're still students that have
needs.
I know that when I was in highschool I'm jumping around a
little bit or jumping backwardsa little bit I guess I remember
when it was weird there was somestudents that were okay for the

(03:45):
regular teacher but for somereason they thought they needed
to be as negative as possiblewhen a substitute was in the
classroom.
I wasn't like that, didn't seethe point, didn't need to try to
show off in front of other kids, so I never did that, but there
were plenty that did.
There are students around likethat, the ones that cheer at the

(04:09):
door when they see that there'sa substitute teacher, no matter
who it is.
I guess deep down they'rethinking all right, it's a
substitute, nothing I do willaffect my grade.
The sub doesn't know how toaffect my grade.
They can leave lots of notes,but do people really pay
attention to those?
Do the regular teachers payattention when they come back?

(04:31):
Let me talk about you know.
My general thoughts about whenI was in school is that students
behave better for the regularteachers than they did the subs,
but not that significantly, atleast from my perspective as a
student.
Now, were there substituteteachers in my era that I liked

(04:54):
better than Other substituteteachers?
Well, of course that's true,even if the gap isn't that wide.
You formulate in your mind whatyou like best when you have a
substitute teacher.
Now, just as I am, I like thesubstitute teachers that were

(05:15):
very friendly, shared stories.
Having said that, now that'swhat probably made me substitute
the way I am.
I'm a positive person, so thathelps too.
But let me tell you what'shappened to me in classes most
recently.
I'll give you, for instance andI just substitute taught

(05:35):
yesterday a class that told methat you know they're honest
with me.
It was an elementary schoolclass and they said Mr Collins,
we'd love to have you back as asubstitute again.
We like to hear your stories.
Other substitute teachers yellat us, and I'm not a big yeller,
so they like me for that reason.

(05:56):
It's not really that much.
More, of course, in fact maybeless, I don't know.
But my methods of teaching themwere different.
I didn't belittle them.
Let me go back a couple ofweeks and tell you why.
I get bothered when I see youngchildren treated bad and this

(06:18):
wasn't that bad.
I guess that should have beenbadly.
I'm getting my adverbs mixed up, wasn't that bad?
But still, I could see theexpression in the student's face
.
We were in a cafeteria.
I was doing cafeteria duty orjust walking around talking to
the students.
Most of the students in there.
They were from two differentgrades but I had subbed them all

(06:40):
so they all knew me.
So I walked around and talked.
There was a lady on themicrophone that was giving
direction to what studentsshould do, and then I happened
to notice that one of the nicegirls from the class.
I like her, especially becauseshe'll talk to me.
She's very friendly, she'soutgoing and I like those kind
of personalities.
Not that that's a requirement,but I like those kind of

(07:01):
personalities she had, andteachers had shared that with me
too.
She has a very pleasant,positive personality.
Well, it just so happened thatthe lady with the microphone
yelled at her because she hadher shoes up on the seat.
Now, in actuality, she wassitting on her legs, so for that

(07:24):
reason she had her shoes on herseat.
But when she yelled at her itwas in such a way that the
entire cafeteria could see herand I could just see she was
trying her best to keep fromlooking embarrassed, but I could
see her head drop.
She was trying to hide herfacial expression from everybody

(07:45):
.
I later saw her hugging one ofher regular teachers because I
think she was just trying to becomforted in some way.
She was trying her best not toreact negatively to what that
person thought.
And here's my thought.
I think that adult had no rightto say that to her in the tone

(08:09):
that she did.
She could have said now, younglady, would you mind dropping
your feet to the floor so thatwe don't get them dirty, all
that good stuff?
She could have said that way.
Instead, she sat in a way thatembarrassed the student.
And when I see a student'sfacial expression change
negatively because they'reembarrassed, I'll be honest, it

(08:31):
breaks my heart a little bitbecause I know maybe the student
didn't deserve it.
In fact, I'll even say ininstances where maybe the
student did deserve it stillbreaks my heart a little bit.
But especially in this case,that student great student in
the classroom, great personality, who talks to all her friends
and comes over and talks to theteachers just pleasant to talk

(08:54):
to that student did not deserveto be treated that way.
So your students as substituteteachers, they're going to make
perceptions.
We did, we like certain subsbetter than others.
Maybe you're one of those thatdon't care whether you're liked
or not and if you're like that,okay, that's all I'll say.

(09:15):
I don't.
I really enjoy when I I meanthe class I was in yesterday.
I was just in there first timeI ever met these kids and after
three hours the classes weresaying can you come back and sub
our class again?
Now, I'm not sure it's becauseI'm that much better.

(09:37):
I think it's because I'm thatmuch friendlier, and that's what
substitute teachers really work, need to work on.
Now I'm going to make the case,for probably things haven't
changed that much over the years, I will even say, other than
maybe the tools we have and whatwe can do today.

(09:57):
Things haven't really, you know, other than that it hasn't
really changed that much.
The treatment of students isthe same.
All right, here's the tv shownow.
Every now and then, especiallyover the holidays, it seems like
you're flipping throughchannels, watching to some, you
know, waiting for, looking forsomething that will occupy maybe

(10:18):
an hour of your life, beforemaybe you're going out to do
something.
Well, it just so happened thatan episode of the Waltons popped
up.
Now, the Waltons was an oldshow from the 70s, but it was
actually about the 1930s, thepost-Depression era, when

(10:38):
families were really poor.
And in this case the title ofthe episode was the Substitute.
And I got to thinking man, I'mgoing to have to watch that now
to see if in fact they aretalking about a substitute
teacher, and sure enough theywere.
Now, keep in mind that theoldest student in the classroom

(11:00):
was 18 and the youngest was six.
So it was back in the good olddays of one room classrooms
where all the grades were thesame.
This substitute teacher I guessit's what we would call today a
long-term sub, because she wasgoing to be there for a couple
of weeks and the oldestcharacter in the Waltons, the

(11:23):
oldest student in the Waltons,was called John Boy, and the
first thing the teacher said toher is I think this teacher, her
husband, had been involved withsome kind of aptitude test and
she told one of John Boy'sbrothers that you really don't
belong in sixth grade.
I'm going to start teaching youas a fifth grader.

(11:44):
Well, she said that in front ofeverybody.
I'm not sure how much.
Well, we know it wasn'tmotivational and it really upset
them.
And the teacher didn't like theway where the location where
the students were sitting, shemoved everybody and one student
tried to tell her how much shereally needed to sit up front

(12:06):
and she wouldn't listen to herand all that good stuff.
And it turns out that thestudent that wanted to sit up
front was because she was hardof hearing.
That was the only thing.
And because that substituteteacher, in my opinion,
overstepped her bounds and wouldnot listen to her students, she

(12:27):
had a negative effect on themand John Boy, the oldest son,
finally talked her into lettinghis brother go back to the sixth
grade, made him feel better.
Sometimes just a little positivemotivation is all it takes that
substitute teacher.
The parents I guess it was theboard of the school actually had

(12:49):
to meet and tell her that itjust wasn't working out.
She didn't do a motivationaljob.
Did she do the same style ofsubstitute teaching that I saw
in the 70s and that sometimes wesee today?
I'm sure she did.
Substitute teachers haven'tchanged that much, but were
there positive substituteteachers back then?

(13:11):
I'm going to say yes, werethere positive substitute
teachers in the 70s, of course,and I think it's great for us to
be positive today.
So sometimes nostalgia teachesus a lesson.
I'll be honest, some of mymemories from my school, when I
was in school, probably affectsthe way I sub today a little bit

(13:34):
.
I don't want to be treated theway some of the subs I saw were
being treated, treat it the waysome of the subs I saw were
being treated.
At the same time, I think thegood old phrase of what goes
around comes around.
I really think if I start rightout treating those students
negatively, they have no reasonto treat me positively.

(13:58):
If I go in and start yelling atthem and being a jerk and you
think their reaction is going tobe hey, let's treat Mr Collins
as well as we should, let'sinvite him back all the time.
No, it's not.
You have to have a positiveattitude.
Our job, the teacher's job it'sthe teacher's job mainly, but
our job too as substituteteachers is to keep those

(14:21):
students motivated, keep themtaught, follow the lesson plans
that the teacher left thestudents that I had yesterday.
They told me that they enjoyedthe stories I told and I told
them.
I have to be honest, becauseI've noticed that the younger
age group of kids that I have,the more they want to talk about

(14:42):
the stories I've shared.
As you get older middle schooland especially high school they
just listen.
They enjoy the stories, butthey just listen.
And you move on, the youngergrades they want to talk more
about it.
So you have to keep that inmind.
So here's my conclusionStudents really haven't changed
that much over the years and theway they treat substitute

(15:04):
teachers hasn't changed thatmuch over the years and the
reasons they treat them that wayhasn't changed that much over
the years.
Substitute teachers they'reprobably the same as they were
back in the day, but they willmotivate their students better
if they have that positiveattitude.

(15:25):
Maybe it's better to saymotivating attitude.
Kids, if we can get through this, we'll have a fun story after
this.
Kids, if you do your assignmentthe way you do, you will earn
maybe a Jolly Rancher today.
Here's it's funny.
I took some Jolly Ranchers inyesterday and I heard one of the
second period students as theywere leaving a room and talking

(15:47):
to the third period studentscoming in.
Hey, you get Jolly Ranchers in.
Yesterday and I heard one ofthe second period students as
they were leaving the room andtalking to the third period
students coming in.
Hey, you get Jolly Rancherstoday and it was so funny that
little cheap Jolly Rancher andhow motivational they are.
But there's my nostalgia forthe day.
We need to always look atexamples of people that you
enjoyed when they substitutetaught you and substitute teach

(16:09):
the way they did.
Remember students that werealways positive when you're
teaching and were your favoritestudents in class, and try to
treat the other students exactlythe same way.
I will tell you we've got twomore episodes before the
calendar year is over.
I think they're going to bemore, I guess not directly aimed

(16:30):
at the students.
I know the next one.
I want to talk a little bitabout anxiety.
There's some small anxietyissues that I have developed
because of my age.
I'm going to talk about them,and teachers and students both
deal with anxiety all the time.
I'll just be specific aboutmine.
I certainly am not going togive anybody any advice, but
I'll tell you what I'm goingthrough.
And then the final episode ofthe year I think it's going to

(16:52):
come out on New Year's Eve, ifI've got my calculations right.
We're going to talk a little bitabout intermittent fasting.
The second most popular episodeever of this podcast was back
in 2020, when I interviewed alady that wrote an intermittent
fasting book and I'm in fullsupport of that book, by the way
but I'm going to tell you somethings about it.

(17:13):
She was a teacher, so we'llalso talk about students.
Does it have an effect onstudents and that kind of thing?
And you know, let's face it,that's the kind of the year when
, time of the year when all ofus are wanting to do, you know,
do a little bit better, maybeget back to the gym more, maybe
watch what we eat more and allthat good stuff.
So glad you could be here withus today and I hope we all go

(17:37):
out with that positive attitudewhen we substitute teach.
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