March 11, 2025 • 17 mins
After six years as a substitute teacher primarily in middle and high schools, I've discovered that elementary school—specifically third grade—has become my preferred teaching environment.
• Elementary students are more engaged without smartphones and more enthusiastic about learning
• The COVID break significantly impacted middle schoolers, making them noticeably less mature
• Teaching the same class of students all day with scheduled breaks creates a better teaching rhythm
• Third grade is my "sweet spot" with kids eager to help and not yet developing attitude problems
• I still maintain special connections with former students, including my first long-term class now graduating
• Elementary students are genuinely excited to see me in the hallways and respond enthusiastically
• Try teaching all grade levels before deciding which one suits you best
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Greg (00:00):
You know I'm not a big gambler.
Sometimes I'll dabble withDraftKings, but I'm too scared
to bet more than $5 at a time.
But I say all that to say thisIf I had bet this time last year
that I would be recording apodcast episode like this one a
(00:22):
year later, I would have saidyou're crazy, there's no way.
But in fact we're going to talkabout elementary school once
again, and our most popularepisode in 2024 was back in
September about elementaryschool.
We had another one in Novemberfor elementary school, and I
(00:45):
tell you what I've got to talkabout it again because, after
subbing elementary school for 10days in a row and then doing
two days of high school, when Iwalked up to that high school
door, the first thoughts thatpopped into my mind were man,
(01:07):
what am I doing here?
Substitute teachers loud, allright, before I make my high
schoolers mad, because I knowthey're listening to me.
Walking up to the high schooldoor and thinking what am I
(01:31):
doing here has nothing to dowith the conclusion I've come to
.
Not only that, the high schoolclass the first day was a group
of honor students.
All day long they were inhonors classes.
The second day was a very aclass for a teacher who's also a
(01:51):
friend of mine and it's alwaysa good class.
It has to do with, you know,going through life, the first
years of life, that kind ofthing, and they were both
extremely enjoyable.
When I got in there In fact thesecond one, the life thing for
about two hours that day, theybrought in two and
(02:12):
three-year-olds for the studentsto teach.
That was so cool and I couldn'thelp.
But every time I heard thosehigh-pitched voices from the
other room I had to stick myhead in, see what was going on
and as they were leaving Iwalked out with them.
They hadn't really met me, infact.
One little girl said who areyou?
And I thought that was funny.
So as they were leaving, themain teacher was saying all
(02:37):
right, hug, miss, and all thiskind of stuff, and then finally
she looked at me and said hug,mr Collins, you know, and I
thought they might've beenthinking stranger danger, but
they, sure enough, they came upand hugged me and I love those
little kids like that.
I have gotten to the point nowwhere I'd prefer elementary
school.
I even talked about this tosome of the high school students
(02:59):
one-on-one when we were justcasually talking and they seem
to understand because at thatage they're still impressionable
.
More impressionable they stilland I don't mean this, in fact I
said something similar to thislast week but I love the way
that they jump up in the morningand do whatever the principal
(03:20):
tells them to do while they'reon the announcements.
I don't care about smartphonesin the classroom, but obviously
when you're in elementary schoolyou don't have them.
It does add a differentdimension to those young kids,
because even the most behavedhigh school students they've
(03:43):
still got their smartphone.
I noticed even in the classeslast week, the honor students.
You can't keep their attentionmore than about 20 seconds until
they're pounding their phonefor some reason, or at least
glancing at it would be probablya better way of saying it, and
it's just kind of refreshing tosee the younger kids do that.
(04:06):
Now I'll tell you the onlyreason.
I even tried elementary school.
I keep blaming things on theCOVID break, but sure enough,
that time, when we were all offand then had a year of virtual
learning that affected a lot ofkids, I could trail right away
at middle school, which was myfavorite school to teach for a
(04:28):
long time.
You could just tell the batchof new middle schoolers coming
in were so immature, bless theirhearts.
There wasn't a whole lot theycould do about it.
They just missed a year ofsocializing, interacting with
the other students, and youcould really tell sometimes.
(04:49):
You know, that same attitudewouldn't get on my nerves in
elementary school.
It did in middle school,because we got to go on and do
more important things and theystill had old middle school or I
should say elementary schoolhabits and it was impossible to
get them to break that.
So I finally said, all right,I'm going to try some elementary
(05:13):
school.
My wife did it for 30 years.
Of course I would hear all thestories.
You still got to deal withparents.
You still got to deal with thatoccasional kid that doesn't
behave himself in school.
Sometimes perhaps it's thefault of the parents, maybe they
needed a little bit morediscipline at home, and then you
(05:33):
get to flip side.
Maybe the only discipline kidsever have is at school.
And you know I've been toldthis by teachers before that you
know.
I think the kids like youbecause you're friendly and I
think some of them look to youas a father figure and man,
that's heavy, that's heavy stuffright there.
(05:54):
So all of that Now.
I'm going to back up now and goback to six years ago and tell
you.
I'm going to start with howmiddle school became my favorite
and then we'll go from there onhow I think and, you know, I'm
not even sure any of thesereasons will be a reason for you
to like elementary school, butI certainly would encourage you
(06:16):
to try it.
Way back 2018, november, firsttime I ever substitute taught.
I loved it.
I couldn't.
You know.
I walked in that day thinking,man, what are these students
going to think of me?
Are they going to just thinkI'm some idiot up here trying to
teach them?
Are the teachers going to thinkI'm some idiot that's inferior
(06:38):
to them?
By the time the end of the daywas over, the students were
telling me oh, mr Collins, canyou please come back to our
class again?
The teacher the teacher I wassubbing for was actually in the
building in a meeting all day.
She said oh, I'm going to keepyou on my list and have you sub
for me again.
And you know it went great fromthat point forward.
(07:02):
One of the schools that I subbedat several days and already got
close to the sixth gradersthere well, they decided that
they wanted me to teach thatclass, a math class in sixth
grade, from a week before springbreak until the end of school,
(07:22):
and I did just that.
I feel like I got so close tothose kids.
They I'm not sure much how muchI taught them, but I think they
look back at that year asfondly as I do and doggone it.
If those guys aren't seniorsthis year, I still tell them.
Aren't seniors this year, Istill tell them, you know, I'm
(07:47):
honest with them.
I say now, part of it's becauseyou're my first long-term class
ever I still look to them as myfavorite group of kids that I
ever taught.
They have a couple of them havealready invited me to their
graduation.
Of course it's a ticketed event.
One of the students has told meshe's going to give me one of
her tickets because they want meto be there.
(08:07):
I'll be there.
They know that I'll probablycry when I see them for that
last time and you know it's so.
It's so sad's not the rightword.
I guess melancholy.
I'll get melancholy because Irealize that the vast majority
of those kids I won't see againever.
(08:29):
They're going to go on withtheir lives.
Maybe I'll run into them at thegrocery store or the pharmacy,
shoot.
Some of them are going into themedical field.
It was a standing joke when Isubbed a medical pathway one
time because they werecomplaining about how much they
had to memorize.
I told them I said well, when Iget older and older and one of
(08:51):
you ends up being my doctor, Iwant you to know every word on
this sheet.
So I really got close to them.
I'm going to miss them a lot.
I think that's.
I think I feel like that whenthey're gone, maybe high school
won't be as much fun.
Middle school is just not likethe way it used to be.
(09:13):
Because of that break and thethings that you have to settle
them down from now, it just isno longer my favorite.
Elementary school is myfavorite.
Now I even catch myself classesfor middle school and high
school that I would have takenin years past.
(09:35):
Sometimes I'll let them go fora while to see if anything from
elementary school is going tocome up Now.
I've already noticed differencein grades.
I'm going to have to say mywheelhouse is third grade,
because every third grade I'vedone, I loved it.
Fourth graders, just one yearlater, are already starting to
(09:59):
develop their attitudes.
Some of them are alreadysetting during Pledge of
Allegiance and I'm sure that'ssomething their parents told
them to do.
I don't think they came up withit on their own.
But third grade is definitelymy wheelhouse.
Here's what makes elementaryschool fun.
(10:22):
Now, in our area the breakbetween the grades is the same
in that for the grades upthrough third grade the teacher
has the same students for theentire day, other than when they
go to activities and lunch andthat kind of thing.
(10:43):
Once you get to fourth grade andfifth grade, well, they start
changing classes.
I remember we changed classeswhen I was in school.
We did it in the fifth grade,but it was only because two
teachers that were kind of offby themselves.
They wanted to do it.
We flipped back and forthbetween those two classes.
The rest of the fifth gradestudents didn't do it.
(11:05):
They kind of envious of us.
I thought it was kind of fun todo that, but they changed
classes.
Here's what makes I was going tosay recess.
Here's what makes elementaryschool fun.
In third grade they have two15-minute recess classes.
Teachers go out with them.
They have their fun.
(11:26):
I love seeing them experimentwith.
We used to call them monkeybars.
I don't know what they callthem now, but they're still out
there.
They no longer have the15-foot-tall metal slides that
we used to have or all thoseother things on the playground
that would hurt you.
In fact, you have as many teamsports at recess now, like
(11:49):
soccer or shooting somebasketball, as a lot more than
we had back in the day.
But that's two things.
That kind of breaks up your daya little bit.
You also have an hour each dayof activity.
So the third grade I did last.
They actually had their recess,their first recess.
(12:10):
It's 15 in the morning and 15in the afternoon.
Their first recess and thentheir activity and then there
was like 15 minutes of readingbefore lunch.
So you really had like atwo-hour period there where the
students weren't in theclassroom for most of it, and
(12:30):
that's kind of a break.
I mean the planning period forteachers just about at every
school level is during relatedarts.
They call it activity in middleschool or I should say in
elementary school most of thetime art, music, pe, library,
those kind of things, and that'sreally refreshing.
(12:52):
So you have the same kids allday long, but there are breaks
in there and those kids as theweeks went on I shouldn't say
the weeks as those days went on.
They would have done anythingfor me.
Every time I told them I neededsome help with something, even
(13:13):
if it's just passing out papers,they were really falling over
themselves to try to help me outbefore somebody else did.
Now there might be some of thatin high school.
I don't see it very often and Idon't fault them for it.
It's just older kids don'tvolunteer as quickly or as
enthusiastically.
(13:34):
Just to hear them shout outthey do a morning class motto
and to hear them shout it out soenthusiastic with those little
high-pitched voices was so cool.
I've gotten to where I reallylike it a lot the third grade
class that I had recently taughtfor four days in a row, the
(13:55):
principal.
I knew him before he was aprincipal.
I actually worked with hisfather at one time but he came
in that fourth day like healways does.
He always drops by all theclassrooms as he makes his
rounds and he came in and saidhow's everybody doing today?
And they enthusiasticallyanswer him and he said are you
(14:15):
guys going to miss Mr Collinsafter today?
And you know they answeredright away and that really made
me feel good and I'm so gladwhen I can have an effect.
You almost feel.
I told this to some high schoolstudents.
At the high school class I saidyou feel like you can affect
(14:37):
their lives in a good way andyou know when they're that young
.
And the high school studenttold me he said you affected my
life too.
So you know all theseheartstring things that are
going on.
But I'm here to tell you nowthat I seek out elementary
school.
I like to do third grade andhigher, but I am going to do it
(14:58):
all.
If I see a kindergarten orfirst grade or second grade come
up, I'm going to take it.
I'm going to experiment with it, see if I like it just as well.
You got to make up your ownmind.
But do all three, do elementary, middle and high school.
And even there's an IgniteAcademy in our area that does I
don't know how I would describeit.
(15:19):
You know you learn welding oryou learn car repair or you
learn how to play the guitar.
So all of those classes are outthere, along with some
business-specific classes,nursing-specific classes, even
to the point of getting your CNAso that you can become a
nurse's assistant.
But anyway, that's my story.
That's why elementary school iskind of my gig now.
(15:40):
I like to do it best.
I like to see those kids I likewhen I go back and whenever I
go in, take the kids to thecafeteria.
There's always students fromanother grade when I first get
there and a different grade whenI leave and and most of them
know me now and they all waveand it's so cool.
I don't get as many highschoolers waving at me Some of
(16:03):
them do, but some they're toocool for that man.
What am I doing waving at anadult?
Anyway, I like elementaryschool.
Now.
Give it a try if you haven'talready.
If you're mainly elementaryschool, give middle school and
high school a try.
I surprised myself how much Iliked elementary school.
No-transcript.
You know I'm not a big gambler.
Sometimes I'll dabble withDraftKings, but I'm too scared
to bet more than $5 at a time.
But I say all that to say thisIf I had bet this time last year
that I would be recording apodcast episode like this one a
(00:22):
year later, I would have saidyou're crazy, there's no way.
But in fact we're going to talkabout elementary school once
again, and our most popularepisode in 2024 was back in
September about elementaryschool.
We had another one in Novemberfor elementary school, and I
(00:45):
tell you what I've got to talkabout it again because, after
subbing elementary school for 10days in a row and then doing
two days of high school, when Iwalked up to that high school
door, the first thoughts thatpopped into my mind were man,
(01:07):
what am I doing here?
Substitute teachers loud, allright, before I make my high
schoolers mad, because I knowthey're listening to me.
Walking up to the high schooldoor and thinking what am I
(01:31):
doing here has nothing to dowith the conclusion I've come to
.
Not only that, the high schoolclass the first day was a group
of honor students.
All day long they were inhonors classes.
The second day was a very aclass for a teacher who's also a
(01:51):
friend of mine and it's alwaysa good class.
It has to do with, you know,going through life, the first
years of life, that kind ofthing, and they were both
extremely enjoyable.
When I got in there In fact thesecond one, the life thing for
about two hours that day, theybrought in two and
(02:12):
three-year-olds for the studentsto teach.
That was so cool and I couldn'thelp.
But every time I heard thosehigh-pitched voices from the
other room I had to stick myhead in, see what was going on
and as they were leaving Iwalked out with them.
They hadn't really met me, infact.
One little girl said who areyou?
And I thought that was funny.
So as they were leaving, themain teacher was saying all
(02:37):
right, hug, miss, and all thiskind of stuff, and then finally
she looked at me and said hug,mr Collins, you know, and I
thought they might've beenthinking stranger danger, but
they, sure enough, they came upand hugged me and I love those
little kids like that.
I have gotten to the point nowwhere I'd prefer elementary
school.
I even talked about this tosome of the high school students
(02:59):
one-on-one when we were justcasually talking and they seem
to understand because at thatage they're still impressionable
.
More impressionable they stilland I don't mean this, in fact I
said something similar to thislast week but I love the way
that they jump up in the morningand do whatever the principal
(03:20):
tells them to do while they'reon the announcements.
I don't care about smartphonesin the classroom, but obviously
when you're in elementary schoolyou don't have them.
It does add a differentdimension to those young kids,
because even the most behavedhigh school students they've
(03:43):
still got their smartphone.
I noticed even in the classeslast week, the honor students.
You can't keep their attentionmore than about 20 seconds until
they're pounding their phonefor some reason, or at least
glancing at it would be probablya better way of saying it, and
it's just kind of refreshing tosee the younger kids do that.
(04:06):
Now I'll tell you the onlyreason.
I even tried elementary school.
I keep blaming things on theCOVID break, but sure enough,
that time, when we were all offand then had a year of virtual
learning that affected a lot ofkids, I could trail right away
at middle school, which was myfavorite school to teach for a
(04:28):
long time.
You could just tell the batchof new middle schoolers coming
in were so immature, bless theirhearts.
There wasn't a whole lot theycould do about it.
They just missed a year ofsocializing, interacting with
the other students, and youcould really tell sometimes.
(04:49):
You know, that same attitudewouldn't get on my nerves in
elementary school.
It did in middle school,because we got to go on and do
more important things and theystill had old middle school or I
should say elementary schoolhabits and it was impossible to
get them to break that.
So I finally said, all right,I'm going to try some elementary
(05:13):
school.
My wife did it for 30 years.
Of course I would hear all thestories.
You still got to deal withparents.
You still got to deal with thatoccasional kid that doesn't
behave himself in school.
Sometimes perhaps it's thefault of the parents, maybe they
needed a little bit morediscipline at home, and then you
(05:33):
get to flip side.
Maybe the only discipline kidsever have is at school.
And you know I've been toldthis by teachers before that you
know.
I think the kids like youbecause you're friendly and I
think some of them look to youas a father figure and man,
that's heavy, that's heavy stuffright there.
(05:54):
So all of that Now.
I'm going to back up now and goback to six years ago and tell
you.
I'm going to start with howmiddle school became my favorite
and then we'll go from there onhow I think and, you know, I'm
not even sure any of thesereasons will be a reason for you
to like elementary school, butI certainly would encourage you
(06:16):
to try it.
Way back 2018, november, firsttime I ever substitute taught.
I loved it.
I couldn't.
You know.
I walked in that day thinking,man, what are these students
going to think of me?
Are they going to just thinkI'm some idiot up here trying to
teach them?
Are the teachers going to thinkI'm some idiot that's inferior
(06:38):
to them?
By the time the end of the daywas over, the students were
telling me oh, mr Collins, canyou please come back to our
class again?
The teacher the teacher I wassubbing for was actually in the
building in a meeting all day.
She said oh, I'm going to keepyou on my list and have you sub
for me again.
And you know it went great fromthat point forward.
(07:02):
One of the schools that I subbedat several days and already got
close to the sixth gradersthere well, they decided that
they wanted me to teach thatclass, a math class in sixth
grade, from a week before springbreak until the end of school,
(07:22):
and I did just that.
I feel like I got so close tothose kids.
They I'm not sure much how muchI taught them, but I think they
look back at that year asfondly as I do and doggone it.
If those guys aren't seniorsthis year, I still tell them.
Aren't seniors this year, Istill tell them, you know, I'm
(07:47):
honest with them.
I say now, part of it's becauseyou're my first long-term class
ever I still look to them as myfavorite group of kids that I
ever taught.
They have a couple of them havealready invited me to their
graduation.
Of course it's a ticketed event.
One of the students has told meshe's going to give me one of
her tickets because they want meto be there.
(08:07):
I'll be there.
They know that I'll probablycry when I see them for that
last time and you know it's so.
It's so sad's not the rightword.
I guess melancholy.
I'll get melancholy because Irealize that the vast majority
of those kids I won't see againever.
(08:29):
They're going to go on withtheir lives.
Maybe I'll run into them at thegrocery store or the pharmacy,
shoot.
Some of them are going into themedical field.
It was a standing joke when Isubbed a medical pathway one
time because they werecomplaining about how much they
had to memorize.
I told them I said well, when Iget older and older and one of
(08:51):
you ends up being my doctor, Iwant you to know every word on
this sheet.
So I really got close to them.
I'm going to miss them a lot.
I think that's.
I think I feel like that whenthey're gone, maybe high school
won't be as much fun.
Middle school is just not likethe way it used to be.
(09:13):
Because of that break and thethings that you have to settle
them down from now, it just isno longer my favorite.
Elementary school is myfavorite.
Now I even catch myself classesfor middle school and high
school that I would have takenin years past.
(09:35):
Sometimes I'll let them go fora while to see if anything from
elementary school is going tocome up Now.
I've already noticed differencein grades.
I'm going to have to say mywheelhouse is third grade,
because every third grade I'vedone, I loved it.
Fourth graders, just one yearlater, are already starting to
(09:59):
develop their attitudes.
Some of them are alreadysetting during Pledge of
Allegiance and I'm sure that'ssomething their parents told
them to do.
I don't think they came up withit on their own.
But third grade is definitelymy wheelhouse.
Here's what makes elementaryschool fun.
(10:22):
Now, in our area the breakbetween the grades is the same
in that for the grades upthrough third grade the teacher
has the same students for theentire day, other than when they
go to activities and lunch andthat kind of thing.
(10:43):
Once you get to fourth grade andfifth grade, well, they start
changing classes.
I remember we changed classeswhen I was in school.
We did it in the fifth grade,but it was only because two
teachers that were kind of offby themselves.
They wanted to do it.
We flipped back and forthbetween those two classes.
The rest of the fifth gradestudents didn't do it.
(11:05):
They kind of envious of us.
I thought it was kind of fun todo that, but they changed
classes.
Here's what makes I was going tosay recess.
Here's what makes elementaryschool fun.
In third grade they have two15-minute recess classes.
Teachers go out with them.
They have their fun.
(11:26):
I love seeing them experimentwith.
We used to call them monkeybars.
I don't know what they callthem now, but they're still out
there.
They no longer have the15-foot-tall metal slides that
we used to have or all thoseother things on the playground
that would hurt you.
In fact, you have as many teamsports at recess now, like
(11:49):
soccer or shooting somebasketball, as a lot more than
we had back in the day.
But that's two things.
That kind of breaks up your daya little bit.
You also have an hour each dayof activity.
So the third grade I did last.
They actually had their recess,their first recess.
(12:10):
It's 15 in the morning and 15in the afternoon.
Their first recess and thentheir activity and then there
was like 15 minutes of readingbefore lunch.
So you really had like atwo-hour period there where the
students weren't in theclassroom for most of it, and
(12:30):
that's kind of a break.
I mean the planning period forteachers just about at every
school level is during relatedarts.
They call it activity in middleschool or I should say in
elementary school most of thetime art, music, pe, library,
those kind of things, and that'sreally refreshing.
(12:52):
So you have the same kids allday long, but there are breaks
in there and those kids as theweeks went on I shouldn't say
the weeks as those days went on.
They would have done anythingfor me.
Every time I told them I neededsome help with something, even
(13:13):
if it's just passing out papers,they were really falling over
themselves to try to help me outbefore somebody else did.
Now there might be some of thatin high school.
I don't see it very often and Idon't fault them for it.
It's just older kids don'tvolunteer as quickly or as
enthusiastically.
(13:34):
Just to hear them shout outthey do a morning class motto
and to hear them shout it out soenthusiastic with those little
high-pitched voices was so cool.
I've gotten to where I reallylike it a lot the third grade
class that I had recently taughtfor four days in a row, the
(13:55):
principal.
I knew him before he was aprincipal.
I actually worked with hisfather at one time but he came
in that fourth day like healways does.
He always drops by all theclassrooms as he makes his
rounds and he came in and saidhow's everybody doing today?
And they enthusiasticallyanswer him and he said are you
(14:15):
guys going to miss Mr Collinsafter today?
And you know they answeredright away and that really made
me feel good and I'm so gladwhen I can have an effect.
You almost feel.
I told this to some high schoolstudents.
At the high school class I saidyou feel like you can affect
(14:37):
their lives in a good way andyou know when they're that young
.
And the high school studenttold me he said you affected my
life too.
So you know all theseheartstring things that are
going on.
But I'm here to tell you nowthat I seek out elementary
school.
I like to do third grade andhigher, but I am going to do it
(14:58):
all.
If I see a kindergarten orfirst grade or second grade come
up, I'm going to take it.
I'm going to experiment with it, see if I like it just as well.
You got to make up your ownmind.
But do all three, do elementary, middle and high school.
And even there's an IgniteAcademy in our area that does I
don't know how I would describeit.
(15:19):
You know you learn welding oryou learn car repair or you
learn how to play the guitar.
So all of those classes are outthere, along with some
business-specific classes,nursing-specific classes, even
to the point of getting your CNAso that you can become a
nurse's assistant.
But anyway, that's my story.
That's why elementary school iskind of my gig now.
(15:40):
I like to do it best.
I like to see those kids I likewhen I go back and whenever I
go in, take the kids to thecafeteria.
There's always students fromanother grade when I first get
there and a different grade whenI leave and and most of them
know me now and they all waveand it's so cool.
I don't get as many highschoolers waving at me Some of
(16:03):
them do, but some they're toocool for that man.
What am I doing waving at anadult?
Anyway, I like elementaryschool.
Now.
Give it a try if you haven'talready.
If you're mainly elementaryschool, give middle school and
high school a try.
I surprised myself how much Iliked elementary school.
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