January 22, 2025 • 21 mins
This episode explores the heart of love and responsibility, showcasing how these concepts drive fulfillment in both personal and professional realms. By connecting Curly's wisdom from "City Slickers" to modern leadership practices, we discuss the vital attributes of love and their impact on creating accountable and nurturing environments.
• Exploring Curly’s wisdom about life and happiness
• Defining love and its attributes
• Drawing parallels between love and Management by Responsibility
• Emphasizing work-life balance and mindfulness
• Understanding the importance of supportive environments
• Reflection on legacy and the impact of personal relationships
Presented by John Wandolowski and Greg Powell
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello everyone and welcome to our podcast Success
Secrets and Stories.
I am your host, JohnWondolowski, and I'm here with
my co-host and friend, gregPowell, greg.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah.
So today's podcast, greg and Ihave basically nicknamed it the
Curly Podcast, so we have hadsome fun putting this one
together and let me try toexplain a little bit of what we
mean.
I found this interesting quotefrom Adrienne Foster from
(00:51):
January 27th 2020, and it was anarticle Movie Confessions by
City Slickers, and it was justan interesting kind of tidbit
that I thought it was soappropriate.
In her article she has onesection where it's it goes this
way there's an old cowboy, curly, who is played perfectly by
(01:14):
jack palance um which, by theway, in 1992 he was awarded his
only oscar for best supportingactor for this movie who is a
daunting but wonderful man.
He takes a liking and befriendsthe main character, mitch
Robbins, who is played by theever-famous Billy Crystal.
So she goes ahead and the nextpart is an interesting quote
(01:39):
from Curly himself.
Curly said Curly himself.
Curly said I often find myselfhaving revelations while out on
the trail, learning to live inthe moment, to value the
exceptional company on and offthe back of a horse, the quality
(02:03):
conversations and therelationships.
Curly goes on to say that thesecret to life is one thing and
he holds a finger up to Mitchand says that's for you to
figure out.
It's a great quote and Mitchhas that look in his face of
(02:28):
what did he just say, as per thecourse, mitch is perplexed, and
that is the moral of the storyis to find out what makes you
happy, hold on to it andremember it In life as in
business, and that's the partthat I was intrigued.
When I think about that wisdom,what's the one thing that I
(02:53):
think is the most importantelement of life?
What is the secret of life?
Well, for me, that one thing islove.
So when I thought about thedefinition of the word love, it
became kind of an interestingplay on words of how many
different ways can it bepossibly described?
It's the most popular word inthe English language.
(03:13):
The results were unexpected andin some applications or
definitions the line is blurredbetween what is a business
application, what is personalviews.
So I thought I would dosomething a little bit different
and I used the tools of AI tohelp me with that sorting
(03:34):
process on how to use thosedifferent definitions, and I
thought it was interesting onhow much of that actually
responded to the MBR courses interms of management by
responsibility, how much synergythat is associated with
attributes of love are actuallyin common with management by
(03:55):
responsibility.
Greg, why don't you start usoff?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Thanks, john.
Ah, love, a fascinating andmultifaceted concept and there's
some attributes oftenassociated with love Affection,
that deep feeling of fondnessand care for someone.
We all are familiar with thatright, compassion, empathy and a
desire to help or support theperson you love.
(04:22):
We've talked a little bit aboutthat before and, as John said,
the strong connection tomanagement by responsibility.
You've heard trust before, thatconfidence in the reliability
and honesty of the one that'sloved, respect, valuing the
other person's thoughts, loyalty, a strong sense of commitment,
(04:44):
passion, intense emotions andphysical attraction towards that
individual, kindness, selflessacts and a desire to bring
happiness to the loved one,understanding patience and
acceptance.
And that's making sure youunderstand that people have
imperfections and you're willingto work with that.
(05:04):
And that's making sure youunderstand that people have
imperfections and you're willingto work with that.
Gratitude, appreciation, justflat-out appreciation for having
that person in your life.
And, of course, when you thinkof love, joy, a feeling of
happiness and contentment withthe loved one.
Love can manifest itself in somany ways and they're all unique
, don don't you think, john?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, and apart from the MBR perspective, trust,
respect, kindness, understandingand gratitude all were key
components of the MBR process.
But that's business, no, it'slife, and even the AI system was
seeing those similarities.
The next one that I thought wasinteresting so what if we
(05:47):
change the description?
What if we did it and be alittle bit more specific?
And I asked the question interms of a business context the
AI system basically said it's acombination of personal
satisfaction, engagement andalignment to company goals and
values.
There are attributes that areassociated with loving one's job
(06:08):
.
Now, a few unique ones that Idon't think are really MBA
related.
Clearly are passion andalignment to values because
that's company speak, like yourmission statement really not
part of MBR, but the rest reallydid fit into the MBR platform
of having a purpose, to findthat feeling of the job having
(06:30):
some meaning or you're makingsome contribution, Growth, the
opportunities of personal andprofessional growth and learning
, recognition, which is a veryimportant part of MBR, and
looking at being acknowledgedfor the work that you've done in
your contributions.
A subject we're going to talkabout a little bit later is
(06:50):
still within the MBR context offinding that work-life balance
and the ability to find ahealthy balance between what
you're doing at home.
How do you prioritize?
Prioritization was somethingthat was talked about in the
previous description, and it'sinteresting how it is common
(07:12):
Autonomy and the ability to haveyour own control and your own
independence.
Supportive environment Again,this is supposed to be in a
business context of love.
I just find it interesting inhow these words are in MBR at
(07:32):
the same time.
A supportive environment and aculture that is encouraging and
engaging and supportive.
Positive relationships andbuilding on the strength.
That a little bit of this partis what they're talking about.
Looking for your colleagues andyour supervisors.
The negative relationship isalso something that wasn't
talked about.
An MBR approach in terms ofrelationships is whenever
(07:55):
there's a broken employee andthey're just not interested in
being there, helping them with anegative relationship, and
that's called firing someone.
That's still an importantelement of MBR.
So positive and negativerelationships are relevant.
And then achievement being ableto have a sense of
accomplishment, knowing what theresults are and being able to
(08:17):
demonstrate that you'veaccomplished them, greg.
What's the next context?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So, john, when someone loves their job and
takes responsibility for theirlives, it often reflects a
strong sense of self-awarenessand personal accountability.
So we've got some attributesassociated with this kind of
mindset, and all of them relateto management by responsibility.
First one self-disciplinemanaging their time and tasks
effectively managing their timeand tasks effectively.
(08:49):
The next one ownership takingcharge of their actions and
decisions and understanding theimpact of their life and work.
Goal-oriented setting andstriving towards personal and
professional objectives.
Resilience bouncing back fromsetbacks and learning from
failures.
(09:12):
Adaptability being flexible andopen to change in both their
personal and professional lives.
Continuous learning, seekingopportunities for personal
growth and skill development onan ongoing basis.
Balance maintaining a healthywork-life balance and
prioritizing your well-being.
Self-motivation drivingthemselves to succeed and find
(09:35):
fulfillment in work and life.
Mindfulness this one's realimportant being present and
aware of your thoughts, emotionsand actions.
That goes hand in hand withintegrity, upholding strong
moral and ethical principles inevery aspect of life.
These attributes contribute toa fulfilling and balanced life,
empowering individuals to takecontrol of their destiny and
(09:56):
find satisfaction in theircareers and beyond.
John.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And you know that slide.
What was interesting isself-awareness was part of the
setup To start.
That description andmindfulness and being present
and being aware was another keycomponent that they brought out.
At the same time, dr Durst likespent the first third of his
(10:22):
book talking about being in thenow being aware.
When I went through the coursethe first time on the first day,
I thought the majority of thelessons were based on that
simple concept alone.
I thought I'd take it one stepfurther because I really do
believe that like balance isanother key component of
(10:46):
describing what it is as far asa leader and the things that
motivate or should be part ofthe discussion.
What does like balance reallymean?
Again, it was interesting toprioritize, to manage to ensure
that both your work and yourpersonal life has the necessary
(11:06):
attention, to define boundaries,to understand how to avoid
burnout and to maintain yourmental health.
Mindfulness, to be in thepresent.
Now we're starting to get intosome of the things that are
associated with MBR againDelegation, key component of MBR
(11:31):
, being able to find that lifebalance by sharing those
responsibilities, supportsystems and this I have found is
one of the stronger elements ofwhat I really have dedicated a
couple of our podcasts on is todevelop a network, whether it be
you know of our podcasts on isto develop a network, whether it
be you know co-workers orpeople who are in the industry,
or anything that you can do inorder to try to find connections
(11:54):
, whether they be professionalor personal.
That's all part of having somesocial value and we're going to
be talking about a little bit ofthat, about trying to be part
of the society and of thebusiness and of your home.
We've become so isolated overtime that we're really missing
(12:17):
how important it is for oursupport systems the
ever-standard time management.
I don't think there's anythingunique about that concept.
But the next one is kind ofimportant having the flexibility
to adapt those schedules andthose time management rules and
to accommodate them, regardlessof whether it's a business
application or a personalapplication, to be able to make
(12:38):
sure that you're applying anequal push on either side of
that balance applying an equalpush on either side of that
balance so you're looking athealthy lifestyle and to
maintain things like a balanceddiet and getting enough sleep
and staying active.
The last element of lifebalance is managing your leisure
(13:01):
time to ensure that you havethe relaxation, the hobbies and
you take time to enjoy life.
Step back, be reflective on justwhat it is, especially those
leisure times are taking theopportunity to be around people
that you maybe haven't seen in awhile, to re-establish some of
those connections, to enjoy thepeople that you find the most
(13:23):
fun to be with.
And then I would offer theopportunity to try to stretch a
little and do some leisure timeand introduce yourself to new
people and new experiences allat the same time, because that's
all part of that word ofbalance.
Greg, I think you have a prettygood example of how we can
actually apply it to the conceptof MBR directly.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Thank you, john.
Yes, we like to make sure welook at real good referrals to
Dr Michael Durst's Management byResponsibility material.
It focuses on creating amanagement system that
emphasizes individualaccountability and personal
growth within an organization.
Individual accountability andpersonal growth within an
organization this approachencourages managers and
employees to take ownership oftheir actions and results, which
(14:09):
fosters a culture ofresponsibility and
self-improvement.
Comparing this to theattributes of love we discussed
earlier, there are someinteresting parallels.
So let's talk first aboutaccountability.
Both concepts emphasize takingresponsibility for one's actions
(14:30):
and one's outcomes.
Growth Love involves personalgrowth and understanding, while
management by responsibilityfocuses on individual and
professional development.
Support Love involvessupporting and caring for others
, and in a business context ittranslates to providing support
and encouragement to yourcolleagues.
Trust Both love and effectivemanagement require a foundation
(14:53):
of trust and reliability.
We've talked about that manytimes.
Commitment Love involves astrong commitment to the
relationship, and management byresponsibility requires
commitment to personal andorganizational goals Again
parallel.
So in essence, both conceptshighlight the importance of
personal responsibility, growthand support in fostering
(15:18):
positive and productiveenvironments, whether in
personal relationships orprofessional settings.
John.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So when I think about what we've just talked about,
the things in terms ofaccountability and growth and
support, I think of your familyand the things that support.
I think of your family and thethings that happened in your
life.
Knowing you for geez, what isit?
(15:52):
Five decades?
Yes, indeed, you have somewonderful examples of, I think,
responsibility and love in yourlife.
Do you see the parallels?
Do you see some of thoseparallels?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I do, john.
I can start at the top of thehouse, and that's my parents
expressing love and support butalso responsibility, taking
ownership, with my father, whowas in the military and traveled
and helps serve our country.
And then my mom not a homemaker, although she did that maybe as
her third job, but as a socialworker, working in corporate
(16:29):
America, working in mentalillness hospitals, doing some
work there Just incredible andbeing a parent.
Both of them were very, verygood parents and they showed us
the love and taught us aboutbeing responsible and passing it
forward.
So then you fast forward.
I become a father, I getmarried, meet the right person
and love is there and I end uphaving a couple of kids my son,
(16:50):
the day he was born and cuttingthe cord, and that's what I saw.
I saw his cute face and I feltlove and I got lucky.
Nine years later, our daughtercomes into this world, erin Skye
same thing.
I've been twice blessed.
Just the feeling of love andthe impact I felt these kids
were going to have on the world.
And then, yes, another time,the next generation.
(17:12):
And John can definitely relateto this.
I'm a grandson and when Cajunwas born and I remember holding
him and my son's there, and mydaughter-in-law, my wife, is
there.
My daughter and I just wasalmost in tears by thinking
about love and the contributionhe was going to make and how
accountable he was going to beto the world someday and how
(17:33):
proud I was going to be of him,as I have been of my kids, my
wife and my parents.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And I think you've also had the opportunity to have
people that, as you wereleaving companies whether they
were closing or whether you weremoving on in your career that
you've had those moments in timewhere they come up to you and
they've said you're the bestboss I have ever worked with.
Maybe you can talk a little bitabout that too.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So you're going to hit my humble side, John
Hartford, to talk about thosetoo.
So you're going to hit myhumble side, John, hard for me
to talk about those things.
But I have had definitely thathappen to me, especially my last
job and even other jobs, but mylast job in particular, because
folks were able to pinpointsome things that I really did
that was tangible in their livesand then they felt the need to
pass it forward, so trying toput them in a position to show
what they could do for thecompany and excel, make sure
they got the recognition for itand then take that and put that
(18:25):
in their own repertoire ofexperiences when they became
managers moving for the folksthat were in their employ.
So I like to believe that, yes,I pass on what I inherited from
my family.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, exactly.
So it's hard to separate thosetwo.
When they're part of you,they're part of how you're
perceived and I think that wasthe part that I have seen in my
life too.
How you conduct yourselfhappens 24-7.
And if you're only doing thatfacade on the job and you're
(19:01):
different when you go home, theycan tell A phony is pretty
obvious to see.
When it's coming from the heart, almost anyone can see it.
So we just want to end thispodcast with some additional
Curly wisdoms.
And it's a couple elements ofCurly trying to help out Mitch
(19:25):
to understand elements of life.
And in the film at one point hehas this interesting quote you
city folk spend about 50 weeks ayear getting your knots in your
rope and then you thinkspending two weeks out here will
untie them all for you.
Another Curly wisdom.
And then you think spending twoweeks out here will untie them
all for you.
(19:45):
Another curly wisdom rides outhere often become therapeutic
time of growth.
And then he quoted TheodoreRoosevelt, who was accredited
for saying the outside of ahorse is good for the inside of
(20:05):
the man.
So I'm going to leave you withthose curly wisdoms and you have
to watch the movie CitySlickers.
You will see a very interestingapplication of psychology and
humor at the same time.
I would strongly recommend it.
It's a 1991 film and I'm sureyou can get it on some kind of
(20:34):
internet connection, but spendthe time.
It's worth a laugh.
Building your Leadership Toolboxsecond edition Tools for
Success are available on Amazonand Barnes.
Noble websites.
Success Secrets and Stories isavailable on the popular podcast
(20:55):
formats like the one you'relistening to in Apple, google
and Spotify.
Dr Durst's material on the MBRprogram is available on
SuccessGrowthAcademycom.
And if you want to contact us,please contact us on my website,
wwwauthorjawcom.
(21:18):
And the music has been broughtto you by my grandson.
So we want to hear from youAgain at the time.
Drop us a line.
We're always interested in youropinions and we have learned
from you to change, sometimes,our context to cover some of the
stories that you would like usto cover.
So thank you in advance.
(21:40):
So, greg, thanks, thanks,thanks thanks, john.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
As always next time yeah.
Hello everyone and welcome to our podcast Success
Secrets and Stories.
I am your host, JohnWondolowski, and I'm here with
my co-host and friend, gregPowell, greg.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah.
So today's podcast, greg and Ihave basically nicknamed it the
Curly Podcast, so we have hadsome fun putting this one
together and let me try toexplain a little bit of what we
mean.
I found this interesting quotefrom Adrienne Foster from
(00:51):
January 27th 2020, and it was anarticle Movie Confessions by
City Slickers, and it was justan interesting kind of tidbit
that I thought it was soappropriate.
In her article she has onesection where it's it goes this
way there's an old cowboy, curly, who is played perfectly by
(01:14):
jack palance um which, by theway, in 1992 he was awarded his
only oscar for best supportingactor for this movie who is a
daunting but wonderful man.
He takes a liking and befriendsthe main character, mitch
Robbins, who is played by theever-famous Billy Crystal.
So she goes ahead and the nextpart is an interesting quote
(01:39):
from Curly himself.
Curly said Curly himself.
Curly said I often find myselfhaving revelations while out on
the trail, learning to live inthe moment, to value the
exceptional company on and offthe back of a horse, the quality
(02:03):
conversations and therelationships.
Curly goes on to say that thesecret to life is one thing and
he holds a finger up to Mitchand says that's for you to
figure out.
It's a great quote and Mitchhas that look in his face of
(02:28):
what did he just say, as per thecourse, mitch is perplexed, and
that is the moral of the storyis to find out what makes you
happy, hold on to it andremember it In life as in
business, and that's the partthat I was intrigued.
When I think about that wisdom,what's the one thing that I
(02:53):
think is the most importantelement of life?
What is the secret of life?
Well, for me, that one thing islove.
So when I thought about thedefinition of the word love, it
became kind of an interestingplay on words of how many
different ways can it bepossibly described?
It's the most popular word inthe English language.
(03:13):
The results were unexpected andin some applications or
definitions the line is blurredbetween what is a business
application, what is personalviews.
So I thought I would dosomething a little bit different
and I used the tools of AI tohelp me with that sorting
(03:34):
process on how to use thosedifferent definitions, and I
thought it was interesting onhow much of that actually
responded to the MBR courses interms of management by
responsibility, how much synergythat is associated with
attributes of love are actuallyin common with management by
(03:55):
responsibility.
Greg, why don't you start usoff?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Thanks, john.
Ah, love, a fascinating andmultifaceted concept and there's
some attributes oftenassociated with love Affection,
that deep feeling of fondnessand care for someone.
We all are familiar with thatright, compassion, empathy and a
desire to help or support theperson you love.
(04:22):
We've talked a little bit aboutthat before and, as John said,
the strong connection tomanagement by responsibility.
You've heard trust before, thatconfidence in the reliability
and honesty of the one that'sloved, respect, valuing the
other person's thoughts, loyalty, a strong sense of commitment,
(04:44):
passion, intense emotions andphysical attraction towards that
individual, kindness, selflessacts and a desire to bring
happiness to the loved one,understanding patience and
acceptance.
And that's making sure youunderstand that people have
imperfections and you're willingto work with that.
(05:04):
And that's making sure youunderstand that people have
imperfections and you're willingto work with that.
Gratitude, appreciation, justflat-out appreciation for having
that person in your life.
And, of course, when you thinkof love, joy, a feeling of
happiness and contentment withthe loved one.
Love can manifest itself in somany ways and they're all unique
, don don't you think, john?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, and apart from the MBR perspective, trust,
respect, kindness, understandingand gratitude all were key
components of the MBR process.
But that's business, no, it'slife, and even the AI system was
seeing those similarities.
The next one that I thought wasinteresting so what if we
(05:47):
change the description?
What if we did it and be alittle bit more specific?
And I asked the question interms of a business context the
AI system basically said it's acombination of personal
satisfaction, engagement andalignment to company goals and
values.
There are attributes that areassociated with loving one's job
(06:08):
.
Now, a few unique ones that Idon't think are really MBA
related.
Clearly are passion andalignment to values because
that's company speak, like yourmission statement really not
part of MBR, but the rest reallydid fit into the MBR platform
of having a purpose, to findthat feeling of the job having
(06:30):
some meaning or you're makingsome contribution, Growth, the
opportunities of personal andprofessional growth and learning
, recognition, which is a veryimportant part of MBR, and
looking at being acknowledgedfor the work that you've done in
your contributions.
A subject we're going to talkabout a little bit later is
(06:50):
still within the MBR context offinding that work-life balance
and the ability to find ahealthy balance between what
you're doing at home.
How do you prioritize?
Prioritization was somethingthat was talked about in the
previous description, and it'sinteresting how it is common
(07:12):
Autonomy and the ability to haveyour own control and your own
independence.
Supportive environment Again,this is supposed to be in a
business context of love.
I just find it interesting inhow these words are in MBR at
(07:32):
the same time.
A supportive environment and aculture that is encouraging and
engaging and supportive.
Positive relationships andbuilding on the strength.
That a little bit of this partis what they're talking about.
Looking for your colleagues andyour supervisors.
The negative relationship isalso something that wasn't
talked about.
An MBR approach in terms ofrelationships is whenever
(07:55):
there's a broken employee andthey're just not interested in
being there, helping them with anegative relationship, and
that's called firing someone.
That's still an importantelement of MBR.
So positive and negativerelationships are relevant.
And then achievement being ableto have a sense of
accomplishment, knowing what theresults are and being able to
(08:17):
demonstrate that you'veaccomplished them, greg.
What's the next context?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So, john, when someone loves their job and
takes responsibility for theirlives, it often reflects a
strong sense of self-awarenessand personal accountability.
So we've got some attributesassociated with this kind of
mindset, and all of them relateto management by responsibility.
First one self-disciplinemanaging their time and tasks
effectively managing their timeand tasks effectively.
(08:49):
The next one ownership takingcharge of their actions and
decisions and understanding theimpact of their life and work.
Goal-oriented setting andstriving towards personal and
professional objectives.
Resilience bouncing back fromsetbacks and learning from
failures.
(09:12):
Adaptability being flexible andopen to change in both their
personal and professional lives.
Continuous learning, seekingopportunities for personal
growth and skill development onan ongoing basis.
Balance maintaining a healthywork-life balance and
prioritizing your well-being.
Self-motivation drivingthemselves to succeed and find
(09:35):
fulfillment in work and life.
Mindfulness this one's realimportant being present and
aware of your thoughts, emotionsand actions.
That goes hand in hand withintegrity, upholding strong
moral and ethical principles inevery aspect of life.
These attributes contribute toa fulfilling and balanced life,
empowering individuals to takecontrol of their destiny and
(09:56):
find satisfaction in theircareers and beyond.
John.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And you know that slide.
What was interesting isself-awareness was part of the
setup To start.
That description andmindfulness and being present
and being aware was another keycomponent that they brought out.
At the same time, dr Durst likespent the first third of his
(10:22):
book talking about being in thenow being aware.
When I went through the coursethe first time on the first day,
I thought the majority of thelessons were based on that
simple concept alone.
I thought I'd take it one stepfurther because I really do
believe that like balance isanother key component of
(10:46):
describing what it is as far asa leader and the things that
motivate or should be part ofthe discussion.
What does like balance reallymean?
Again, it was interesting toprioritize, to manage to ensure
that both your work and yourpersonal life has the necessary
(11:06):
attention, to define boundaries,to understand how to avoid
burnout and to maintain yourmental health.
Mindfulness, to be in thepresent.
Now we're starting to get intosome of the things that are
associated with MBR againDelegation, key component of MBR
(11:31):
, being able to find that lifebalance by sharing those
responsibilities, supportsystems and this I have found is
one of the stronger elements ofwhat I really have dedicated a
couple of our podcasts on is todevelop a network, whether it be
you know of our podcasts on isto develop a network, whether it
be you know co-workers orpeople who are in the industry,
or anything that you can do inorder to try to find connections
(11:54):
, whether they be professionalor personal.
That's all part of having somesocial value and we're going to
be talking about a little bit ofthat, about trying to be part
of the society and of thebusiness and of your home.
We've become so isolated overtime that we're really missing
(12:17):
how important it is for oursupport systems the
ever-standard time management.
I don't think there's anythingunique about that concept.
But the next one is kind ofimportant having the flexibility
to adapt those schedules andthose time management rules and
to accommodate them, regardlessof whether it's a business
application or a personalapplication, to be able to make
(12:38):
sure that you're applying anequal push on either side of
that balance applying an equalpush on either side of that
balance so you're looking athealthy lifestyle and to
maintain things like a balanceddiet and getting enough sleep
and staying active.
The last element of lifebalance is managing your leisure
(13:01):
time to ensure that you havethe relaxation, the hobbies and
you take time to enjoy life.
Step back, be reflective on justwhat it is, especially those
leisure times are taking theopportunity to be around people
that you maybe haven't seen in awhile, to re-establish some of
those connections, to enjoy thepeople that you find the most
(13:23):
fun to be with.
And then I would offer theopportunity to try to stretch a
little and do some leisure timeand introduce yourself to new
people and new experiences allat the same time, because that's
all part of that word ofbalance.
Greg, I think you have a prettygood example of how we can
actually apply it to the conceptof MBR directly.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Thank you, john.
Yes, we like to make sure welook at real good referrals to
Dr Michael Durst's Management byResponsibility material.
It focuses on creating amanagement system that
emphasizes individualaccountability and personal
growth within an organization.
Individual accountability andpersonal growth within an
organization this approachencourages managers and
employees to take ownership oftheir actions and results, which
(14:09):
fosters a culture ofresponsibility and
self-improvement.
Comparing this to theattributes of love we discussed
earlier, there are someinteresting parallels.
So let's talk first aboutaccountability.
Both concepts emphasize takingresponsibility for one's actions
(14:30):
and one's outcomes.
Growth Love involves personalgrowth and understanding, while
management by responsibilityfocuses on individual and
professional development.
Support Love involvessupporting and caring for others
, and in a business context ittranslates to providing support
and encouragement to yourcolleagues.
Trust Both love and effectivemanagement require a foundation
(14:53):
of trust and reliability.
We've talked about that manytimes.
Commitment Love involves astrong commitment to the
relationship, and management byresponsibility requires
commitment to personal andorganizational goals Again
parallel.
So in essence, both conceptshighlight the importance of
personal responsibility, growthand support in fostering
(15:18):
positive and productiveenvironments, whether in
personal relationships orprofessional settings.
John.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So when I think about what we've just talked about,
the things in terms ofaccountability and growth and
support, I think of your familyand the things that support.
I think of your family and thethings that happened in your
life.
Knowing you for geez, what isit?
(15:52):
Five decades?
Yes, indeed, you have somewonderful examples of, I think,
responsibility and love in yourlife.
Do you see the parallels?
Do you see some of thoseparallels?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I do, john.
I can start at the top of thehouse, and that's my parents
expressing love and support butalso responsibility, taking
ownership, with my father, whowas in the military and traveled
and helps serve our country.
And then my mom not a homemaker, although she did that maybe as
her third job, but as a socialworker, working in corporate
(16:29):
America, working in mentalillness hospitals, doing some
work there Just incredible andbeing a parent.
Both of them were very, verygood parents and they showed us
the love and taught us aboutbeing responsible and passing it
forward.
So then you fast forward.
I become a father, I getmarried, meet the right person
and love is there and I end uphaving a couple of kids my son,
(16:50):
the day he was born and cuttingthe cord, and that's what I saw.
I saw his cute face and I feltlove and I got lucky.
Nine years later, our daughtercomes into this world, erin Skye
same thing.
I've been twice blessed.
Just the feeling of love andthe impact I felt these kids
were going to have on the world.
And then, yes, another time,the next generation.
(17:12):
And John can definitely relateto this.
I'm a grandson and when Cajunwas born and I remember holding
him and my son's there, and mydaughter-in-law, my wife, is
there.
My daughter and I just wasalmost in tears by thinking
about love and the contributionhe was going to make and how
accountable he was going to beto the world someday and how
(17:33):
proud I was going to be of him,as I have been of my kids, my
wife and my parents.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And I think you've also had the opportunity to have
people that, as you wereleaving companies whether they
were closing or whether you weremoving on in your career that
you've had those moments in timewhere they come up to you and
they've said you're the bestboss I have ever worked with.
Maybe you can talk a little bitabout that too.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So you're going to hit my humble side, John
Hartford, to talk about thosetoo.
So you're going to hit myhumble side, John, hard for me
to talk about those things.
But I have had definitely thathappen to me, especially my last
job and even other jobs, but mylast job in particular, because
folks were able to pinpointsome things that I really did
that was tangible in their livesand then they felt the need to
pass it forward, so trying toput them in a position to show
what they could do for thecompany and excel, make sure
they got the recognition for itand then take that and put that
(18:25):
in their own repertoire ofexperiences when they became
managers moving for the folksthat were in their employ.
So I like to believe that, yes,I pass on what I inherited from
my family.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, exactly.
So it's hard to separate thosetwo.
When they're part of you,they're part of how you're
perceived and I think that wasthe part that I have seen in my
life too.
How you conduct yourselfhappens 24-7.
And if you're only doing thatfacade on the job and you're
(19:01):
different when you go home, theycan tell A phony is pretty
obvious to see.
When it's coming from the heart, almost anyone can see it.
So we just want to end thispodcast with some additional
Curly wisdoms.
And it's a couple elements ofCurly trying to help out Mitch
(19:25):
to understand elements of life.
And in the film at one point hehas this interesting quote you
city folk spend about 50 weeks ayear getting your knots in your
rope and then you thinkspending two weeks out here will
untie them all for you.
Another Curly wisdom.
And then you think spending twoweeks out here will untie them
all for you.
(19:45):
Another curly wisdom rides outhere often become therapeutic
time of growth.
And then he quoted TheodoreRoosevelt, who was accredited
for saying the outside of ahorse is good for the inside of
(20:05):
the man.
So I'm going to leave you withthose curly wisdoms and you have
to watch the movie CitySlickers.
You will see a very interestingapplication of psychology and
humor at the same time.
I would strongly recommend it.
It's a 1991 film and I'm sureyou can get it on some kind of
(20:34):
internet connection, but spendthe time.
It's worth a laugh.
Building your Leadership Toolboxsecond edition Tools for
Success are available on Amazonand Barnes.
Noble websites.
Success Secrets and Stories isavailable on the popular podcast
(20:55):
formats like the one you'relistening to in Apple, google
and Spotify.
Dr Durst's material on the MBRprogram is available on
SuccessGrowthAcademycom.
And if you want to contact us,please contact us on my website,
wwwauthorjawcom.
(21:18):
And the music has been broughtto you by my grandson.
So we want to hear from youAgain at the time.
Drop us a line.
We're always interested in youropinions and we have learned
from you to change, sometimes,our context to cover some of the
stories that you would like usto cover.
So thank you in advance.
(21:40):
So, greg, thanks, thanks,thanks thanks, john.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
As always next time yeah.
Popular Podcasts
True Crime Tonight
If you eat, sleep, and breathe true crime, TRUE CRIME TONIGHT is serving up your nightly fix. Five nights a week, KT STUDIOS & iHEART RADIO invite listeners to pull up a seat for an unfiltered look at the biggest cases making headlines, celebrity scandals, and the trials everyone is watching. With a mix of expert analysis, hot takes, and listener call-ins, TRUE CRIME TONIGHT goes beyond the headlines to uncover the twists, turns, and unanswered questions that keep us all obsessed—because, at TRUE CRIME TONIGHT, there’s a seat for everyone. Whether breaking down crime scene forensics, scrutinizing serial killers, or debating the most binge-worthy true crime docs, True Crime Tonight is the fresh, fast-paced, and slightly addictive home for true crime lovers.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.