Connecting Health Issues to Psychological and Relational Patterns w/ Angela Mazza (Ep.20)

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Emma Viglucci (00:07):
Hello lovelies, welcome to another podcast.
I am so excited for today'sguest, angela Massa, who is a
health coach who specializes inworking with thyroid issues and
health.
But what I love about ourconversation is the things that
she focuses on and the thingsthat she understands impact

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health, not just the thyroid.
So how emotions, lifestylechoices, even our relationship
patterns, how all of that stuffhas an impact on the body, our
health and our wellness, and howdisease might manifest.
So I love the conversation wego in.
We dive in into what some ofthose patterns might be, some of

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the lifestyle choices, whatthey might be and what we need
to clean out, what we need to doto stay on a healthy path and,
if we've had had disease or ifwe're facing a disease, how to
get healthy again right and howto have good health and wellness
in our life, for all thatbeautiful energy that we need

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and, in addressing our healthand staying in a healthy path,
also what that means for ourrelationship and our life
overall, our lifestyle overall.
So there's a lot of goodnuggets in there.
I love that she offers microhabits and a gentle way of
making changes, so it's easy andyet you get amazing benefits.

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So stay tuned, you're in for atreat.
Hello and welcome.
I am so excited to have Angelawith me today.
I'm going to read her bio andthen I'll say hello to Angela.
Angela Massa is the founder ofAngel Holistic Health Coaching.

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Her specialty is in thyroidhealth and healing to empower
her clients to reclaim theirhealth and precious energy.
A certified health coachthrough the Dr Sears Wellness
Institute, she is trained in alllife stages.
Angela is also a licensedregistered professional nurse
with over 20 years experience invarious settings, including

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hospitals, home care.
Years experience in varioussettings, including hospitals,
home care and, most recently,the New York City school system.
As a mother of three and acancer survivor herself, she is
passionate about empoweringindividuals and families to take
small steps to wellness inorder to prevent diseases and
manage chronic conditions forliving a full life.
Without further ado, let me sayhello to Angela.

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Hello Angela, welcome to theepisode.
How are you today?
I'm great, thank you so muchfor having me.
My absolute pleasure and joyand I'm so excited for this
topic, as I share with you whenwe spoke by ourselves and as the
listeners might know, healthand wellness is my little side,

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little thing that I love to doand learn more about, and so to
have conversations about thistopic is super fun for me, and
so thank you so much foragreeing to do this with me
today.
I'm happy to Lovely, lovely.
So, ashley, if you want tofirst start with, before I ask
you the first question, just alittle bit about what brought

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you to this journey, like what'syour own interest in this, like
why you do this passion.

Angela Mazza (03:46):
Since I'm a little girl I always wanted to
be a nurse.
I've worked as a registerednurse for the last 20 years and
when I went on my own healthjourney, going through thyroid
cancer, that brought me toholistic healing and health
coaching.
So I started to.
Once I healed myself, I wasable to kind of have that urge
to reach out to others andeducate them and help them

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advocate for themselves in theirown wellness journey.
So that's really what drives meas a mission.
And going through thyroid cancerand knowing the ups and downs
and kind of how you where you'releft when you get that green
light and told everything'sgreat but you don't really feel
that way and you need thatsupport afterwards.

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And I think a lot of people whogo through cancer in general
any kind of cancer they do haveso much attention and care on
them as they should, but thenwhen everything thank God is
good, they are often left kindof looking for what direction
are they supposed to go?
And I love being there to bethat liaison and support people

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at that point in their journey.

That's a very good point, right, so you can
have, like this intense focus onlike, okay, let's get you
healthy, and then you get thegreen light, okay, you're good
to go.
And it's like, okay, but now,how do I do my life now?
Right, like, what am I supposedto do?
How do I make sure I don't getthis cancer back?
How do I stay healthy, or howdo I not?
You know, like I have all thesethings that came about because

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of the cancer that I had.

And now now, how do I?
Clients who are cancersurvivors, not just thyroid
cancer, but breast cancer andesophageal cancer and things
like that.
So?
And I often hear that they'relike, oh well, I went through
this, and then I'm kind of leftwith where do I go from here and
what lifestyle changes and whatshould I do, because you are at
a higher risk for getting othercancers when you have gone

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through cancer.
So it can be a very scary timewhen you're kind of supposed to
feel great and everyone'sexpecting you to be jumping for
joy which you are but at thesame time you are feeling a
little bit like, well, whatdirection do I go?

So that's so good .
I know I mean, I've had cancerin my family and so I understand
this and also clients have gonethrough it and breast cancer
and just the impact that it hason their sexuality, their
relationship, their intimacy,their self-esteem, body image
there's just so many thingsright.
So it's not just like check youdon't have cancer anymore, but

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there's all these other things,so yeah.
So thank you for people likeyou, same here Very good things.
So yeah.
So thank you for people likeyou, same here very good, okay,
so ready.
Question number one what aresome symptoms that indicate that
something might not be rightand that we need to pay
attention to to them?
So that might be manifesting inour health and how we're

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feeling and what's going on.
Like this is probablypre-diagnosis or post-diagnosis,
even like okay, you know we'renot doing so well, like I'm not
feeling so hot, or like what arethe symptoms that are still
playing out or that are therethat could be indication of
something's not right?

I think we're very in tune with ourselves.
We kind of have an instinctwhen something's off, even if we
can't quite name it, and Ialways believe that we know.
And our body has a lot ofwisdom, so it's sending us
signals all the time about howwe're feeling.
So being in tune with your bodyis number one at any stage, I

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think.
And then just kind ofevaluating how you're feeling,
if your weight is changing,whether it's going up or down,
but maybe your habits are thesame, that's kind of an
indicator that maybe somethingis off or you notice some kind
of change in your physicalappearance.
You know, you can be dry, youcould be itchy, you can be

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irritated.
Maybe your skin is at thatpoint or your hair is getting a
little weaker, brittle, oryou're feeling a little puffier
for some reason.
You know, even those kind ofsubtle signs can indicate that
something is off.
And I always tell people to bein tune with what they're
feeling.
Kind of journal it down, justjot it down in a book every day.

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If you're feeling something's alittle off, you know, or if you
have moods going up and down,you know that usually shows
maybe your hormones are off, youknow.
Are you tired all the time,even if you are getting sleep or
maybe you're having insomnia,you know.
Or your temperature how is thatregulating?
A lot of people always feel hot, always feel cold.
That's usually a hormone issue,so they're never comfortable.

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So kind of just being in tuneand keeping a little journal of
what what you're feeling is soimportant and I always tell
people that's one of my big tipsis write things down.
It doesn't take long, it takes30 seconds to write down.
You know what?
You know I'm feeling a littlebloated today and just write it
down.
All you have to write is thatone word in your journal.
I do it for myself.

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I have a little journal andit's not big.
It's a little little tiny spotthat I write every day.
You know how I'm feeling,because it's really good to look
back and see how the progressis positive or negative, Is
there a pattern?
And then you don't feel likeyou're crazy when you're going
to the doctor and reporting this.
You're like, wait, I haven'tbeen writing.
This is really how I wasfeeling, Because you do tend to

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doubt yourself when you go andreport how you're feeling about
something.

Yep, so interesting.
I love that, and also itdoesn't have to be tedious.
I love what you said, even ifit's just the one word.
You could use a notebook, youcould use an, an app like just
some kind of tracking system foryourself.
Very simple, just kind ofcapture things right.
Very good, you know what we hadalso talked about when we
talked about yourself beforemenstrual cycle changes or
menstrual issues, right, so thatalso shows up.

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Like you know a lot of women.
I hear all the time things likeI've been bleeding so much, or
like I'm spotting bleeding,spotting bleeding, like all
these things are happening, likeokay, well, something
potentially is not right, right,right, like cycles shouldn't be
crazy, shouldn't torture us,right, exactly, most women, you
know what's really interesting.
Just a little side note here,just for kicks a lot of times

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myself included, I'm gonna behonest we feel like to be a
woman.
You know all the things I had todeal with.
But if we are healthy andeverything's balanced and proper
, like it shouldn't be a thingyou know all the things that we
have to deal with, but if we arehealthy and everything's
balanced and proper, like itshouldn't be a thing, like you
shouldn't be tortured by yourperiod and you shouldn't be
tortured by your womanhood,right, if you are something's
not right.
And even you know and I'm goingto say this cautiously even in

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getting a clean bill of health,sometimes, right, modern
medicine looks for disease andyou might have imbalances that
didn't manifest in a fulldisease yet that if you get
ahead of it, right, you createmore health and wellness.
As opposed to in, prevention,as opposed to like okay, now I
have this thing like how come Iwas healthy last month, now I'm

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not healthy anymore, but therewas all these indicators that
were missed because you justtraditional medicine only checks
for certain things, right?

Right.
Traditional medicine is onlygoing to look at symptom and
test for that symptom, where, ifyou're looking at it from a
holistic perspective, whensomething is off in the body,
something else isn't going to beworking right.
So you know, it is harder to gofrom a holistic perspective if
you're going to traditional orconventional medicine, which is
great and they want to help you,but you also kind of have to do

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your own work there, I think,and look at those lifestyle
changes that you can controlyourself and do kind of your own
research and advocate foryourself in that way.
Well, maybe there's things thatyou can do at home personally
to help yourself get better.
Or maybe there's some kind ofmineral and vitamin imbalance
and you can request a test forthat.

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You could request labs, youknow, request a metabolic panel
and see maybe you're justdeficient in iron and you're
feeling really low energy and itcould be an iron deficiency,
you know, and that's somethingsimple that you could take a
supplement and help yourself out, you know, and it will make a
big difference in your life yes,it's funny because a lot of

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times we check things off tolike well, I'm aging, this was
supposed to be happening.

You just feel more decrepit, not necessarily
right.
Aging doesn't mean I feeldecrepit or that everything
necessarily breaks down.
You know you could agehealthily, right?
Oh definitely yeah.
Um, so age healthily right?
Oh, definitely yeah.
So when we are having some ofthose symptoms and the body's

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saying something is not right,what might be some of the things
that might be going on in ourlife, in our lifestyle, how
we're doing ourselves that doescreate this?
Something's going on in ourbody, manifest in our body and
in our health right andeventually a disease.

Well, I think stress is a major thing for all
of us.
I think we all have,unfortunately, stress in our
lives and that manifests indifferent ways and it often can
come out physically.
You see it in physical symptomsand often people with
autoimmune disease have stressthat has contributed to that.

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Or even any other regulardisease, such as a cancer, can
come on, starting as stress.
And they say that even withstress you may not have been
diagnosed with a disease yet,but if you run labs you can see
the beginning of thoseantibodies starting to build and
increase.
So you will see a lot of stressand those lifestyle feelings of

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those workaholics who alwayshave to get things done, being a
perfectionist A lot of us wereraised in that environment or
maybe having people around youthat are over-controlling, or
maybe you yourself areover-serving, taking care of
everyone else and notprioritizing your own wellbeing.

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You do for everyone beforeyourself and I often see that
with women especially, tend tobe the martyrs who are going to
do for everyone beforethemselves, and it's it's very
common I know, with thyroidclients especially, I see that
that they're always doing forothers and they feel guilty to
take that time out for their ownwellbeing and their health, and

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I often have to remind them andwork with them to say you know,
if you're not around you can'thelp anyone.
If you're not being able to getoff the couch, you can't help
anyone.
So it's really important toprioritize yourself so that you
can give more to others and helpothers and feel good in that
way.
But if you don't have thatenergy to give, you know you're

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going to really be depletingyourself on a regular basis.
So stress really, that cortisolreally, you know depletes and
throws off the body all thosehormone imbalances.
It really does cause a hormoneimbalance if you have chronic
stress like that.
So I think stress is a hugefactor.
So knowing how to manage stressis very important.

Absolutely.
I love how you also mentionedall the other patterns in there,
right, overhelping, helpingother people, prioritizing other
people just the grind, theoverdoing, the over functioning,
the perfectionism, right.
So all of those things createstress in and of themselves, but
the patterns themselves havespecific ways that might impact

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our well-being, not not justthat.
One hormone, right.
So like, right, how else?
What are the patterns do yousee that play out in people's
lives or relationships, and whatbody?

parts might they affect and in what ways?
I often see people don't feelworthy, they feel shameful, they
kind of don't want to haveconfrontation and you'll see
that in pain They'll have pain,they'll have fatigue, they'll
have depression, mood changes,you know, and with thyroid
especially, it'll cause hairloss and that's stress symptom

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as well as a thyroid symptom,which a lot of stress and
thyroid tend to overlap.
It's very difficult because youreally have to slowly build
your self-worth, yourprioritizing your healing and
giving yourself compassion.
And every client that I workwith that's where we start.

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We start with thatself-compassion and you know,
kind of asking yourself what'sthe most healthy and
self-compassion thing I can dofor myself right now, today.
One small thing, and that'sreally important, and I mean I
speak from my own experiencebecause I've gone through all
these things.
I've had my own emotionalstress, my own blockages.

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You know we all have some kindof you know, whether it's big or
small trauma in our lives thatwe have to deal with and learn
to cope with.
So I'm able to identify withthem as well and understand that
I've always been a quiet personmyself.
So the fact of wanting to helpothers is what spurs me in my
own mission to have a voice andspeak up for people and speak up

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for myself, because I know howhard it was to go through things
and not have, maybe, the rightsupport and know the right steps
to take.
So now that I've been able todo those things, I really try
and advocate for others to dothe same.

Yeah, you know so good.
Definitely, in the health andwellness journey, we see how not
prioritizing ourselves, nottaking care of ourselves, plays
a huge role in grindingourselves, like putting
ourselves through.
The grind breaks down the body,right, um, but I'm loving what

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you're saying.
Additionally in there there arethe emotional patterns not
being able.
You know the shame, theunworthiness, unresolved trauma
or unhealed trauma.
The muscles and the cells holdon to that memory, right, the
impact of that energetically.
So all these different thingsthat just sit in there unless we
deconstruct them or de-patternthem or decondition them.

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I've been using all these wordsrecently to help with okay, how
do we do this healing?
Right, so how do we remove allthis stuff so that the body's
like it doesn't have to go likebecause of all these blockages
and all this stuff that'ssitting there and can't function
properly and then it breaksdown and then the disease comes
about.
And I especially love the oneabout being quiet or not having

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a voice and not being able toadvocate for yourself, and I'm
hearing that like in general,that could be true, but also
within our relationship.
I see that a lot in couples,right, when people don't want to
rock the boat they don't wantto get into another fight, they
don't want to upset theirpartner, they're more worried
about their partner's feelings,that then meeting their own
needs or whatever, all thedifferent ways that partners do

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things, and it's's like swallow,swallow, swallow.
A whole, whole, whole whole.
And it shows.
It shows in all the differentbody parts right, in this
particular one, I'm having avoice.
A thyroid makes so much sense.
The throat makes so much sense,right, and you mentioned
esophageal cancer before too.
Hello, right, so interestingbreast cancer.
Like just holding on to angeror resentment, like all the

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feelings.
Potentially you connect them todifferent body parts and how,
how unresolved things manifestin different illnesses and in
different, like different achesand pains wrapping your body
because there's something you'renot addressing or resolving
emotionally or relationallyright, and I think it's hard, as
people do start to heal and dostart to find a little bit of a

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voice and start to setboundaries and speak up for
themselves in a healthy way.

The people that they've been in relationships
with don't understand the changeand don't want to accept the
change, and then the person whois starting to speak up for
themselves also fears thatrejection.
So it's very, it's very complexto you know, kind of bring up
your self-worth and speak up foryourself.
And when you're in arelationship, you know you want

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to have a healthy relationshipwith the person that you're with
, or whether it's your spouse oryour partner or you know family
members, and it is very, it'svery complex and that's why it's
good to have you know peoplelike yourself.
And it is very, it's verycomplex and that's why it's good
to have you know people likeyourself who can help manage
that.
You know road navigation.

Yes, 100%, yes, totally Right.
So like, oh, I want to makemyself healthy and I'm going to
start doing my self care, I'mgoing to better boundaries, I'm
going to speak up when somethingbothers me.
I'm not just going to you know,whatever, and it's like okay, I
want to do these things.
But as soon as I start doingthose things, I get the yeah,
like a backlash, backlash fromit um, right, so.

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So then, I don't want to, I doand I don't, and it's like.
So having that support and theknow-how makes it easier.
And something that I like totell clients is like because
setting a boundary, because youwant to set a boundary, or
setting a boundary, doesn't meanthat you're a jerk, right, you
don't have to set a boundaryvery harshly or meanly.
It just means how you honoryourself, is still considering

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your partner.
Like you don't have to set aboundary that dishonors your
partner, you can find somethingthat's okay for both of you at
the end of the day.
So that's something that wework on from all different
topics, not just when it comesto health, but for sure, so it
could be done, it can be done,there is hope, okay, good.
So what are some of thelifestyle changes that you

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recommend?
Some of the things to help withthis pattern, some of the
emotional things and more youknow what else for making sure
that people are on the rightpath and the right track for
health and wellness.

Well, one of the things is that I'm always
advocating, like I said, formaking choices, for better
health, for healing, getting ridof any kind of toxicity.
So that starts with food.
You know you want to get rid ofthe chemicals in your food
because that's going to affectyour well-being.
You're going to get rid ofthose chemicals in your products

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that you're using, whether it'spersonal care, cleaning
products.
And then examining yourrelationships and healing those
in a positive way, notcontinuing, maybe, something
that's a toxic relationship.
And we have a lot ofrelationships in our lives, not
just with our partner.
You know, there's our families,our friends, and really

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examining how do you feel afteryou walk away from a
conversation with that personand kind of reflecting on that.
And is that because of whatyou're feeling, how they're
feeling?
Is it a positive force in yourlife Because you want to do
everything to support yourhealth and well-being?

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And what are the choices you'remaking for yourself in a daily
way?
Like I said, are they aself-compassionate choice?
Are you making a compassion?
Are you giving yourselfcompassion?
How are you speaking toyourself on a daily basis?
And that's a huge one that Iwork on with my clients how do
you speak to yourself and we areoften so hard on ourselves.

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What would you say to yourfriend, right?
How would you speak to yourfriend?
That usually helps.
Or your child?
You know it often helps withspeaking better to yourself,
because people really beatthemselves up, as I'm sure you
go through.
You've seen as well, and that'sa huge one.

So I love that.
So there's like three slashthree and a half areas that you
mentioned.
So why don't we go through eachone a little bit more so the
listeners can have an idea?
Okay, so if I want to make surethat I'm on the proper health
and wellness journey and as I'mconsidering getting support for
myself, if that's what I need,what can I start thinking about?

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Oh, Angela mentioned food,right so?
And then chemicals andrelationships.
How do we remove toxicity fromour life that might be hurting
ourselves?
Right so, in food, anysuggestions there that people
could start thinking about whatto remove With?

nutrition.
I would always say you know,eat what is grown.
So, looking for fruits,vegetables you know those outer
rims of the supermarket, youknow those lean proteins, if you
could get grass fed, if you canget organic, if it can fit into
your budget, if it doesn't gowith, the ones that are the

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healthiest and the biggest onesare going for frozen foods.
That are often more smart toget because you can have them
frozen, they won't go bad andyou can use them and stay
healthy.
So, really going to, you know,avoiding those processed foods,
those box, and then learning howto read a label which I

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definitely go into with people,but you can look that up
yourself and just see what youknow the least ingredients, the
better you are being able tounderstand what the ingredients
are.
Those are all key things tolook for when you're looking at
food.

Yeah for sure.
So from what you said, I'mhearing hormones in the meats or
pesticides like things likethat, right, so are there other
things more specifically to lookat that pollutes our food that
we don't even the usual consumerdoesn't think about or realize?
That, the looser food that wedon't even the usual consumer
doesn't think about or realize?

With meats I always go organic or grass-fed
and with fish I always go withlike Alaskan salmon, because
they have to be free ofpesticides in Alaska so you
could buy those.
In the frozen food they havethe Alaskan salmon, and I always
look for things that were wildcaught.

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Also with the fish, becausewild caught is going to be
better than farmed so you'llhave less pesticides.
And then if you are buyingsomething in a box you want to
look for, you know, no additives, no colors, no hydrogenated

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oils, things like that you wantto look for.

Oh man, so that's so funny because I did a
podcast right before this that'scoming up right before this,
one that came out already bysome of these launches, but that
conversation also was talkingabout healthy habits and the
focus was removing unhealthythings.
So this is very similar now, um, and one of the things that I
brought up in that conversationis like all of the oils, right,

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and so that's so, yes and uh,people, people potentially don't
realize, unless they're reallyinto health and wellness, that
the oils are very difficult toget rid of from the body.
The sugar is supposed to be oneof the worst things to consume,
and yet you could process itand remove it.
It has the same impact, but itleaves the oils stick to you.

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So it takes years and years Ithink I don't know how many
years to get rid of them.
I don't know if you know, butthey stick to your body and then
they continue to have an impact, right, right.

Those oils are those seed oils that you want to
avoid them.

So all the things .
Okay, lovely, so that's food.
All the things are toxic.
Then you said all the toxicthings in life, so anything else
that we might want to avoid andremove.

Like I said, looking for clean products is
always really important.
When it comes to supplements,it's actually really hard to
find anything over the counter.
That's good A lot of them.
You really have to look for aclean product that is sold by a
person, owned by a person,usually because their name's
attached to it.

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They're going to be much morecareful about what's clean out
there.
So, honestly, that's a big one.
Because in our over-the-countermedications and cough syrups,
you know you're going to havethings like red dye 40.
And it's crazy to think that'swhat we're giving to our
children.
And even when I mean I did itwhen I was before I knew better,

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you know, when I went throughhealth coaching school, I mean I
was a nurse, I didn't know.
And I went through healthcoaching school and learned all
of it and I was like shockedthat this is what we are being
fed.
You know, and most of thethings right right is it's very
hard.
You know you have to know whatyou're looking for.
So really looking for thoseclean products.

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And then, like we said, therelationships.
You know it's how do you feelwalking away from the person?
Are you feeling good aboutyourself?
Is the person making you feelgood, you know, kind of evaluate
where you're at, what kind ofrelationship you have, and if
you have trouble doing that,definitely seek out someone like
yourself to kind of help younavigate that Right.

Lovely, so that's .
I love how you made it sosimple for people to understand
that something might be toxic,right?
So how do you feel after theinteraction?
After you walk away from aninteraction or an event or a
gathering or speaking withsomebody, how do you feel?
So that's a good indication ofsomething didn't go right.
Is it because of what theycontributed to the conversation?

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Is it because they impacted theheart of me, or is it because
of how I was projecting orfeeling, or just what I did with
what they gave me?
Some people don't do anythingand it's like, well, we do with
it, right, a lot of the time, alot of the times, and it's so
easy to blame other people.
Oh, let me just get rid of theperson, let me just get rid of
the baby with the bathwater.

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You know, like they're toxic,so they could very well be.
You know I'm not saying thatthey're not, but so they could
very well be.
You know what?
I'm saying?
That they're not, but it's soeasy to point a finger at
somebody else as opposed toobserving a whole internal world
.
And what do we do with what weare receiving, right?
Like, we mess with it and wemake it bad for ourselves Right.

You really have to work on yourself first, I
think, before you could fullyevaluate if the relationship is,
you know, good or bad for you.
Let's say, but definitely we'realways working on ourselves,
but you have to be making thateffort to heal yourself and take
care of yourself, because a lotof us have gone through things

(29:51):
that cause us pain or trauma orand it might not even be
something in childhood, it couldbe something that happened with
your, you know, in school.
You know maybe you had aperfect home life, but in school
you're, you know being bulliedand you know feeling bad about
yourself every day and beingabused.
You know that takes a toll onsomeone mentally, so you don't

(30:13):
that goes into it, but thatdysregulation in your nervous
system which affects your health.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, oh, so good.
So just to add a little bitmore to that when people come
for couples therapy, just alittle clarification and of
course, you could work on theirrelationship.
It doesn't mean that you don'twork on yourself, right, and you
don't solely need to work onyourself before you could

(30:40):
address things in yourrelationship.
They could be done together,just so that people don't feel
like, oh, I would never feel andfix things and then it's
hopeless, not true, not true,never hopeless, never hopeless.
Awesome, so anything else interms.
So we said about removingtoxicity, so things that you
would add that you alreadymentioned a lot of compassion.

(31:03):
Um, you didn't say self-loveper se, but that's what I heard.
I translated that in my head.
Uh, but what else along thoselines?
Just to to sprinkle in?
So removing, it's easy to say,but then a lot of times when
we're removing things that wecan't eat, we don't know what to
eat, right, or what to do, orif we stop hanging out with this

(31:23):
friend now, now, what do I dowith all my free time?
I don't know, I'm just makingthis up, but do you know what I
mean?

Yes, Well, as a coach, I've always try and focus
on adding instead of takingaway with my clients.
So I always focus on before weeven worry about taking
something out, just let's startadding in the good and that kind
of pushes out the bad.
So you know looking for thosegreen leafy vegetables.
If we're talking about food,you know having your fruits in

(31:49):
the morning, having your glassof water, water is a huge one.
So because hydration is soimportant to every cell in our
body, our well-being, mentallyand physically, and it really
affects our energy levels, soadding that water into our
system, so that's a big thing.
When we're talking abouttoxicity too, because we're
flushing out our system byhaving the more water we're

(32:11):
adding in.
So maybe you're not a waterdrinker and many people aren't.
Maybe just add a glass in themorning.
I'm all about small steps towellness.
So we do things very slow, verygradually.
So you know each week you'readding something in that's
really small and simple, like aglass of water to help your
wellbeing.

(32:31):
And then that self-love, youknow, like you said, it's funny
because I call my thyroidprogram the thyroid love program
about giving yourself love,because I'm all about that and
it's really about just doingthose daily little actions to
support yourself Does thissupport my healing and does this
support my well-being?

(32:52):
And kind of just working on it.
So we'll do like a dailyaffirmation, I'll send out every
Monday morning a quote toinspire them, to let them know
I'm supporting them, and we'lldo those like here's, here's,
you know, three little shortaffirmations to say every
morning to yourself.
And we just start like that,just to work on adding good

(33:12):
things in before you're eventalking about you know how your
relationships are going, Justworking, like I said, starting
with yourself, working on therelationship with yourself and
speaking kindly to yourself.
And then one of the other thingsis I try and work in gratitude,
because I always start mysession with what are you
grateful for today and look onwhat you're grateful for.

(33:33):
Because that's something thateven before I did coaching and
before I went through healthcoaching school, when I went
through difficult times whetherit was cancer or trauma, with my
own children or my fatherhaving cancer I always had that
gratitude that kind of carriedme through and so it's kind of
like that, that pillar for me.

(33:54):
So I feel it is very importantand there's so many studies done
on how well that changes thebrain and helps the brain.
So Absolutely.

I love that.
This is something that I wantedto comment on.
It fell out of my head, like Ilike to say it's all good, it's
all good, yeah, so adding allthese little things, so
gradually making the change intomore wellness, into more health
, into having your own backright.

(34:27):
So, like adding little habits toyour routine, to your day, to
your lifestyle, in a way thatserves you, support yourself,
nourish, right, and then, as youfill in your plates with good
food or your routines with goodhabits, there's no room for the
bad stuff, right, or to thethings that don't support you or

(34:49):
that hurt you.
So that's a great tactic to do.
So.
Some things we need to remove,right but, and we have to like
oh, you stop that right now, butfor the most part, right, like
it's much easier to go the otherway right, I'd like to do the
addition.

And, uh, one of the things I always do is some
kind of movement.
We always add some kind ofmovement, even if it's just
going for a walk or doing ashort yoga.
Even a lot of people will saythey can only do a few minutes,
they'll do five.
And I say then do five minutes,five minutes in the morning.
You know, it really builds thathabit.
And the amazing thing is, whenpeople start to build that habit

(35:27):
, then they want to do more,they feel good and they can do
more.
I mean, I had a client who wasin her 70s.
She was afraid to walk aroundthe block.
By the time we finished workingtogether, she was walking a
mile and she was so excited thatshe was able to do it and it's
nice to see.
But it's really because westarted with just go down the
block with your neighbor or justgo down the block with your

(35:48):
husband, whoever you can get,because she was afraid to go by
herself.
Right yeah, Just by ourself.
Right yeah, just go togetherjust one block and back.
You know, if you don't want todo the one block, walk in your
house with them and I'll startthat way.
And it really built and it'samazing to see that those small
habits really compound.
So it's really a beautifulthing beautiful.

For those out there who are a little more
nerdy and they're used to doinglife more, I don't know what to
use for it, but, like they do,the investment of their money in
the stock market, all thethings so I like you to use the
analogy of this is a good returnon investment, right?
You get the compounded effecton your health, not just in your
bank account.
So just this stuff.

(36:30):
And something that I wanted toadd earlier is that I love that
you start your sessions withthat gratitude.
I start mine with couples'appreciations, so people have to
share appreciations for eachother.
Great, I totally agree.
There are a gazillion benefitsIf people want to look it up,
the benefits of gratitude andbeing thankful and stuff like

(36:50):
that.
The brain center just lights upand just your whole rewiring
and repatterning that happens.
It's just a tiny little thing,right?
Yeah, I used to give um,sometimes I still do, but I
haven't done it in a while.
A.
I call it the gratitude rx,right?
So separate like a prescription, three times a day morning,

(37:12):
lunch and dinner.
Like you say.
A few appreciation of gratitude, just statements.
Be like I'm so happy, soblissful, so thankful for
whatever.
This one thing right, and thatstate stays in you.
The effects of that stays inthe body for a few hours and
then kind of like weans a littlebit.
So then give it another doseand then another dose so you

(37:33):
keep your brain and your body ina state of gratitude.
Right, we're in a state ofgratitude.
You can't also, at the sametime, be in a state of fear, bam
, right.
So that's like reallycountering uh, all the good
stuff there, right, that's great.
Yeah, so I love all the examplesthat you gave for things to add
, little things that you do withyour peeps to help them get on

(37:56):
that journey and to build atrack record for themselves.
Any other suggestions of eitherexamples one or two?
How can people do this forthemselves to kind of like okay,
I'm going to try to do thisthing and I want to get myself
on a good path, or just shiftgears here I'd like to use the

(38:20):
idea of 30 day challenges.
So any suggestions for doingthose, how to do them, what to
do them on, like things likethat.

I love 30 day challenges.
What do you like about them?
First Tell us what you love.
What do you like about them?
First tell us what do you love.
You know I like about them thatthey kind of they give you a
set time, that you're justcommitting yourself to 30 days,
and they're usually very small,very simple.
They're not too involved,they're not a lot of work.
So it's just one task thatyou're giving yourself for 30

(38:50):
days and usually I would say,you track them typically.
So whatever works for you, likewe were saying before, I would
definitely track in some way,whether it's an app, you want to
track it on your calendar, youwant to write things down.
I think tracking makes a bigdifference, and tracking if
you're not used to it can be apain.

(39:11):
It's definitely not easy, it'sa habit, but a 30 day challenge
is really great to do becauseyou see the difference in 30
days.
So there's a couple ofdifferent things you can do.
One of the ones I like is awater challenge.
You know getting up everymorning and starting with a
glass of water is the easiestway to start and then gradually

(39:35):
increasing your water intakethroughout the day, having that
water bottle with you throughoutthe day and just having it next
to you, carry it around.
And if you go out in the car,have your water bottle, no
matter where you're going, evena short trip, always having your
water with you, and you willincrease your water intake,
naturally.
And I mean you can challengeyourself to do more throughout

(39:59):
the weeks.
But I would definitely startslow and just kind of reward
yourself after five days, andnot that it has to be a reward
like you're going out to eat.
It could be a reward likeyou're giving yourself a pat on
the back.
Maybe you're posting it onsocial media that you might,
five days, you know, kind of addpeople in.

(40:20):
I always think it's great if youcould get a partner or buddy to
support you and do somethinglike a challenge with you.
If you have that supportivepartner, it kind of keeps you
accountable for it.
So you know, just asking aclose friend, do you want to do
this water challenge with me?
Most, most friends are going tosay, oh, yeah, this'll be great
, let's do it.
And then you know you couldeven just text each other and

(40:41):
that's your way of journaling ortracking that you did it.
You know, and having I drank myglass of water and maybe you
don't like um to have plainwater, but you could throw like
the frozen fruit in there, or alemon or a cucumber, something
to flavor it up and make it moreappealing, and then you could

(41:02):
add to it.
As each week goes on, you coulddo something different look up
different types of flavors, seewhat you like, different
hydrating foods and see, well,what else gives me water besides
that glass, you know.
So there's a lot of greatchallenges that you could do.
I mean, I love a gratitudechallenge where every day you
write something you're gratefulfor.

(41:24):
You could start with one thingyou could add to.
You know you could add everyday and start to go to three
things a day.
You know you could do that atnight before you go to bed.
It's a nice way to kind ofunwind right before bed.
Kind of works into your life.
I always like to attach a habitto something you're already
doing, so it's easier.
You know, as soon as I wake upand I have my glass of water

(41:45):
next to me, I'm going to drinkit.
As soon as I brush my teeth, Iknow I'm going to write down
what I'm grateful for.
You know you attach it tosomething you're already doing.
It makes it much easier I lovethat.

So I love how tricky you are in there, like
there's a so and I love it.
See this water right rightthere, so good.
But what I love about the waythat you describe that you have
not only like very small microhabits, something so simple and
easy, like anybody could do itfor the most part, right, if you
want to.
One, two easy way of tracking,all kinds of different ways of

(42:20):
tracking that you mentioned sogood.
Then you added the progressionof that habit.
I love that, right.
So like you start with just oneglass and then you add, maybe
at this all the times, or moreounces or whatever, like as you
go, or I went through this manydays, right, like something that
it progresses, the amount thatyou're doing, so you're getting

(42:43):
better and better as you'regoing, and also rewarning
yourself like little streaks,tracking and keeping streaks is
like nowadays is like a thingthat we are familiar with, the
concept of keeping streaks, sogo, I did it for five days.
I mean two for six days, right,so that's another thing in
there.
And, um, what's the last thingthat you said?

(43:05):
That that was really reallygood?
Oh, and then the the habitstacking, right.
So then you attach it tosomething else.
So then, like you bring nobodyknows to brush your teeth every
day.
Like that we got right.
Some people are lazy, but youknow, like you, you got that
under your belt for the mostpart, so perfect.
I touch it to something.
So when I brush my teeth, Ialso do this, right, perfect.
So something that I throw inthere when people are having a

(43:28):
hard time doing these littlethings for themselves.
Right that the resistance isthere, like I have no time or I
can't remember, or like I don'tknow, whatever all the excuses
that people give.
But it could be as simple aslike I start with, like one
micro habit that could be atleast like deep breaths, right,
like you're breathing already.
Right, like you're not ever notbreathing.

(43:50):
So make it intentional andattach it to something that
you're already doing when you goand pee.
Okay, I'm going to take acouple of these breaths when I
go pee.
When I'm in the shower, I dodeep breathing also, whatever.
When you stop at a stoplight,right.
So just train your brain tolike when I do this, I do this.
It's very simple, it doesn'ttake anything, right, and so
you're taking care of yourselfso nicely.

So good.
I love that you said thebreathing, because that's the
probably the number one thing Itell people when they ask me
what's the one thing I could dofor my health and I say breathe,
because you're exercising yourlungs, you're relaxing yourself.
You know it just triggers thatrelaxation response in the body
and then when you are stressedyou can kind of tap into it much
faster than if you haven't beenpracticing.

(44:32):
So it sounds silly because webreathe all the time.
But taking those deep breathsyou know, if you do at practice
like you're saying, makes such adifference and it's something
that I incorporated when COVIDwas around.
I started doing those deepbreathing every day and it
sticks with me now.
Like you said, I did it.
You know at those times thatyou're doing other things like

(44:52):
taking a shower.
You know Totally.

I love that Exactly.
So thank you for reinforcingthat and for adding on why it's
important, right?
So it's like another musclethat you exercise, so now you
have it really accessible to you.
And it's also preventative,because now your body has like a
much larger resilience, if youmay, or you know capacity, and
so whatever stress you deal with, it's going to deal with it

(45:16):
much better.
It's not automatically going tospike you or throw you off
whatever, because your body'slike okay, we can self-regulate
as we're going.
Okay, something's coming, I canstill self-regulate it as I'm
going.
You know what I mean?
Like I'm standing still,nothing's going to throw me off
because I built this resilienceor this way of being.
So, yes, so good.
Thank you for that awesome.
So, um, any other thoughtsabout either micro habits or the

(45:40):
30-day challenges or other waysto kind of play with a
lifestyle and incorporating, um,the relationship piece, like
anything to bring the partner inor to deal with a relationship
from this angle, like anythingthat would help with that, I
think?

it's definitely important, like I said, to have
support.
So having that accountability,so doing something with your
partner, is definitely going tostrengthen your relationship.
I know for myself, my partnerand I we go work out together,
we do the deep breathingtogether, so we do some of the
exercises like that together andit definitely is something that

(46:16):
we look forward to.
You know we'll go for a walktogether and I think it
definitely helps when you canshare that experience together
and you're both working on yourwellbeing and your health.
So if you're both willing, youknow, and it does help keep you
accountable because maybe you'llget a little annoyed, but you
know one of you is going to sayyou know it does help keep you
accountable because maybe you'llget a little annoyed, but you
know one of you is going to sayyou know we're supposed to do

(46:39):
this today.
Let's go.
You know let's, so it's.
It's good to have that supportand keep yourself kind of
encouraging one another.
So it's good to have that backand forth in the relationship
where you can kind of encourageone another and celebrate
together as you are maybegetting stronger or feeling

(46:59):
better, whatever it is.

Beautiful.
Yes, thank you so much for that.
That's the perfect way for usto start wrapping up.
And when I want to add to that,it's like because I'm hearing
people listening that they mighthave like my partner would do
anything with me, or like I'mnot even talking to them, like
forget doing exercises together,like I could hear things.
So if that's the case, do youand you might inspire your

(47:25):
partner.
That's level one.
Level two maybe they don't wantto join in, but they would take
pleasure, enjoy and supportingyou and keeping you accountable.
You could report to them howyou're doing, you could share
with them like, oh, day two, daythree, and they don't need to
do it themselves, but at leastthey could be in there in spirit
with you, right?
And so then you keep addingmore to that.
As you, the relationship getsbetter, as your health gets

(47:46):
better, and that things improveI agree, that's perfect
beautiful well, angela, thankyou so much.
that's just to be last thingsbefore we say goodbye for the
day.
Do you want to share a littlebit about how these things
impact the thyroid?
I know that that's yourspecialty, so did you want to
hone in a little bit more, justso the audience knows if they're
dealing with thyroid issues orsome of the symptoms that are

(48:09):
thyroid related?
Do you want to connect that alittle bit more for people and
then maybe share what you offerservices?

little bit more for people and then maybe share
what you offer services.
Sure, well, with the thyroid,when we were speaking at the
beginning, a lot of those signsI was saying, like with the
weight, if your weight ischanging, whether it's going up
or down, that could be a thyroidissue, especially if you
haven't done anything differentand or maybe you're doing a lot
of things different.
You see, like maybe weightstaying on or weight staying off
, that's definitely a sign todefinitely go check out your

(48:40):
thyroid and have them run a fullthyroid panel, because most
doctors are going to only dothat thyroid stimulating hormone
test and that's like thestandard of care right now but
that really doesn't give you afull picture of what's going on
with your thyroid.
That's the last piece that'sgoing to be shown on a blood

(49:00):
test, so there could be thingsgoing on and that's still come
out quote unquote normal.
So ask for that full thyroidpanel if you have any kind of
sign.
And some of the things wementioned the hair loss, the
weight changes, menstrualchanges, constipation those are
all signs that can be thyroidissues.

(49:21):
And then, of course, if you seeany kind of lump around your
throat area, definitely go getthat checked out because there
are lumps not necessarilycancerous always, but can affect
the thyroid as well.
So you definitely want to getthat checked as well.
So anything like we said listento the wisdom of your body.
If you feel like something'soff, you definitely should go

(49:43):
check, and there are a host ofsymptoms.
I probably can't name all ofthem, but those would probably
be the biggest ones.
And then that exhaustion,feeling tired and not really
being able to keep going.
So that's a big one withthyroid.
If you really are sufferingwith thyroid issues, you'll feel
that exhaustion, and it's notjust because you're not, it's
not because you're not sleeping,it's just exhaustion.

(50:05):
You're always feeling tired andI hear that from a lot of my
clients and often you'll seethat in children too.
So you should keep that aware,because I know a lot of young
girls after they go throughpuberty who tend to get thyroid
issues and the parents thinkthey're just being lazy and
they're just sitting around andthey're actually suffering
because they're exhausted.
And then they find out later onthat they had a thyroid issue

(50:30):
and of course then as mom or dad, you feel awful.
It's something to be aware ofif you're a parent too, to
definitely go, ask for that fullthyroid panel, for sure.
And then my program is, like Isaid, my Thyroid Love Program.
It's a four-month program and Ihelp people who have already
been diagnosed with some kind ofthyroid issue and we focus on

(50:54):
that self-compassion, thatgratitude, those lifestyle
changes, nutrition, which we goin depth.
Of course each and every personis very different when it comes
to nutrition.
We all have our own body typesensitivities, so it's fine
tuned to you.
And then we do some of thosemovement goals, like I said, to
keep yourself healthy, thatholistic approach.

(51:15):
And then I do a lot of movementgoals, like I said, to keep
yourself healthy, that holisticapproach.
And then I do a lot of educationwithin that so you can go and
speak to your doctorintelligently and advocate for
yourself and know what you'retalking about when you're
discussing tests and know how totake your thyroid medication
and what interacts with it,because there's so many things
that do interact that nobodyever tells you and I know
firsthand, being a thyroidpatient, that I was not told a

(51:38):
lot of things that couldinteract.
Even coffee interacts with yourthyroid medication and you find
out.
So many people are just havingcoffee after thyroid medication
and you should be having coffeewith the meal and giving an hour
between that thyroid medicationand eating and proper
absorption.
And then you're not getting theproper absorption and you're

(51:58):
feeling tired and maybe the doseis right but you're not doing
the right things to support thatabsorption.
So a lot of education aroundthat as well.
Excellent, there's so much micronuances and things in there
Like you just find two, one ortwo little things and it's like
oh right, right, and I feel likeoh right, right, and I feel so
much better now myself and thenwhen I had a thyroid, because I

(52:21):
had my thyroid fully removed.
So I always have to be onmedication, so I have to make
sure I'm balanced.
So it's very important to be ontop of all of that.
But so many people feel likethey can never feel good again
because they had their thyroidremoved or had a thyroid surgery
, and that's just not true.
You can feel good again, youcould be strong, you could do

(52:43):
all the things.
So you know, you just have todo it slowly.
And I'm all about those slowsteps, you know, and taking it
slow and gentle.

Very, very nice, angela, terrific, so good.
So I know you have a gift tooffer, or maybe even two gifts.
Do you want to share with theaudience what they are?
And don't worry people aboutwriting this down.
I'm going to put it in thedescription and in the show
notes so that you could accessthem.
But if you just wanted toexplain what are you giving,
Sure, I have two freebies.

let's say that I have one that's just questions
to talk to your thyroid doctorabout, so that you understand
what's going on with you, likewe were discussing, so you can
advocate for yourself andunderstand fully, because you
should be a partner in your carewith your doctor.
They shouldn't just be tellingyou what to do.
You should understand whyyou're taking something, what's

(53:33):
going on with your body and beable to discuss.
You know how to move forwardtogether.
And then and then I have mythyroid love e-guidebook, which
has a couple of good thyroidsupporting recipes in there, as
well as loving considerationswith some of those tips for
taking medications and how tosupport your thyroid well.

Beautiful, how generous.
I love it.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so, in all beautifulconversation, so satisfying to
hear a fellow wellness geek outand I love that.
You had your own experience andfrom that you dove in, so you

(54:16):
have a lot to offer from apersonal perspective and just
from your your.
You're a nurse by training andthen you're you're coaching and
then your personal experience,so you're robust in what you're
saying and so I love that and soI thank you for sharing your
time and all your wisdom and allyour nuggets with us today.

I appreciate you, you having me on.
Thank you so much, my joy.

Thank you and to the audience.
I'll see you at the next one.
Bye.

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