March 28, 2025 • 49 mins
Ever wonder what your travel quirks say about you? In this episode, we’re spilling the tea on the little (and not-so-little) decisions that shape our adventures—starting with the ultimate packing showdown. One of us swears by the art of rolling clothes, but let’s be real... by the time we’re heading home, that suitcase is a full-on disaster zone.
Then it’s time to settle some hot debates: planes vs. trains, hotels vs. Airbnbs, street food vs. familiar favorites. Are you all about efficiency, or do you travel for the romance of the journey? Do you crave the comfort of a well-made bed with room service, or are you here for the full local immersion?
And don’t even get us started on sightseeing! Are you lining up for that iconic selfie at a tourist hotspot, or do you prefer discovering hidden gems that most travelers miss?
We’re wrapping it all up with a rapid-fire round of travel preferences—some of which might surprise you! (And yes, we will be judging whether pajamas at the airport are acceptable.)
So grab your boarding pass and join the conversation! Where do you land in these travel debates? Slide into our DMs and tell us what makes you the traveler you are!
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Good afternoon.
How are you doing today, cheryl?
I am good, it's sunny.
It's nice, it is sunny andspring is here.
Cheers to spring.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I have a mimosa, I'm just having wine.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, so I think there may be abird going into the bird box.
Sorry, that was a littlesquirrel moment.
I was looking out.
I was looking out andappreciating the fact that the
bradford pears have shed all oftheir white funk.
Yes, because I'm serious, likemy the allergies.
(00:54):
I keep talking about it and I'mnot trying to keep talking
about it, but it's like serious.
It's like the resistance is outthere.
May the author ever be in yourfavor.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah.
Um so what are we talking abouttoday?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So we're just talking about kind of like a this or
that travel style.
You know, like what is yourpreference?
Um, so, for example, I'll giveyou a this is like easy.
So would you prefer, are you acarry on or are you a checked
bag type of person?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm a both I'm taking a carry on and I'm taking a
checked bag.
Oh well, and let me rephrasethat Carry on is not always the
carry on suitcase.
Sometimes it's just a largerbag.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It depends on what airline you're on right because
they're really stretching thewhole carry-on.
It's really more like apersonal item with a lot of the
budget places like that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yes, carry on that like well, am I personally going
checked bag?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
yeah, bag at the very least, and we've traveled
together and we don't travellight, so it could be a checked
bag and a carry-on and apersonal item there.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That's my preference If I had a choice.
Honestly, yeah, yeah.
How about?
Oh, when it comes to packing,because we do overpack, are you
rolling your clothes in that new, that style that everybody's
talking about to pack tighterorpack?
Are you rolling your clothesand that new, that style that
everybody's talking about topack tighter, or are you just
folding your clothes?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I.
I mean, my first choice isfolding, just because I'm a
creature of habit and that'swhat I know.
I tried the whole rolling.
I don't feel like for me.
I don't feel like I got more inby rolling.
I think I think you can stillstack it in, I don't know.
So I'm going to go with.
I'm a folder.
(02:51):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I start off as a roller and my suitcase and my
bags are very organized pre-trip.
What it looks like coming backis a whole different experience.
It is literally just thrown inthere, however it will fit.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
There's no organization agreed because I
don't give a shit.
By the time it's coming home itall needs to be washed and
stuff like that.
I just need to make sure thatthe suitcase zips that's my only
criteria coming home.
It does not have to look neat,not wrinkled, it can be whatever
it, just the suitcase has tozip.
That's what I got.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Right, and I, when I'm packing, I'm making a list,
like even if it's a mental list,I'm having my days, I'm if
we're going somewhere where weneed bathing suits, I've got all
the components for that, likeI'm putting things in piles and
organizing it like that, so Iknow I have everything I need.
The funny thing is coming back,especially when I don't travel
(03:48):
with the kids, and when the kidswere little I did this, but I'm
not making sure I'm bringingeverything back.
I've totally left things beforebecause I'm not doing the check
.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I totally get that.
And how about suitcase versusbackpack?
But I think I've brought bothand I use the backpack as like a
day trip type of thing.
If I'm going to the beach orwhatever, I want to be able to
put sunscreen and all that stuff.
So I'm not bringing my fullsuitcase but I want to have even
(04:15):
if it's not a backpack.
I want to have a secondary bagthat I can do for day tripping.
How, how do you do the samething pretty much do for day
tripping.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
How do you do the same thing?
Pretty much, yeah, I.
Usually.
I try to make sure all the bagsthat I'm taking are usable.
In some way.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So if I'm doing a checked bag and a carry-on, or
like a personal item.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I'm making sure that personal item can be used for
the rest of the trip.
It's got a purpose.
And then if I can't like,depending on the style of trip
we're going on, I will take oneof those rolled up style bags
and stick that in my suitcase orthe backpack or whatever.
So I have it when I'm there.
But yeah that's definitelyabout that.
And obviously we talked aboutpacking light versus packing for
(04:54):
every scenario.
I'm packing for every scenario.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean, I don't pack light and I'm not planning
to adjust that behavior.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Right, okay, so this is interesting because when it
comes to luggage and packing, weare very similar in that we are
perfectly fine bringing thewhole house and kitchen sink and
all like.
We're perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think we've entertained other guests in the
hotel when they see our cartscarts yes.
They have to help us get intothe door and into the elevator.
They're like damn girls, areyou moving in?
And we're like, no, we're justhere for the weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I know that's the thing there for the weekend, all
right, so we're very similar inthat, but let's see how we are
when it comes to transportationshowdowns.
Okay, are you a plane versustrain?
What would be?
And those two what would be?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
your choice.
I'm definitely playing, I meanI.
I it's not that I don't want todo, I'm dying to get on rail
bookers.
That's one of our big vendorsand they have fit packages that
are really customizable.
So I do want to experiencetrain, but for me I'm just
basing this on um it takes a lotlonger to travel by train
(06:09):
versus plane.
So when I'm traveling thesedays, I'm traveling to make it
the shorter distance, otherwiseit for me it would be um, plane
versus road, tripping it.
And then where are you there?
Because then, if we're talking,we just we just had to
encounter that for podcast,right?
Yeah, we had to decide whetherwe wanted to take really bad
(06:33):
flights that were not the idealtime and it would have taken us
the same amount of time to go.
There wasn't even a directflight to get down to Florida.
It was going to take us almostas long to fly two different
flights with a layover than itwas to just drive straight
through.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, it was so much cheaper.
So I agree with you.
If it's plane versus road trip,it really depends on am I is
the goal here to just get to thedestination of the goal.
Or if, like, road tripping isfun.
I like road tripping to acertain extent.
Yeah, train travel Again.
If I'm just trying to get frompoint A to point B, I'm going to
choose plane and probably carover train.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, but I will say if you are going for the
experience of because on thosetrains there's beds, there's
like you can be sleeping whileyou're traveling you can't.
If you're driving straightthrough the driver, he does not
get any reprieve.
You're driving.
But if you're trying to getfrom point A to point B in a
(07:34):
timely manner and you don't feellike you could do the 12 or 15
hour drive, then I wouldrecommend a plane over versus a
road trip, because then you'reon there and you can do whatever
.
You can eat, you can drink,yeah, sleep, you can do whatever
you want.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's like being on a cruise on land, being on the
ship.
Everything is there.
Now I would for the adventure.
I would do like you saidrailbookers or rocky mountain
tier um, both of those arereally good for the adventure,
uh, and I and they're.
But it's set up that way.
Their trains are different.
They're made more for thatadventure versus your regular
(08:08):
like amtrak, where you just havea seat right.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I agree with that and the next category, um,
I think would depend more sowhere you live in the country,
if you're in a city, versus.
But what do you think aboutlike Uber versus like public
transportation per se?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I would rather take an Uber over a taxi and we're
talking about in the state side.
I would rather take an Uberversus a taxi because, as we
found out on one of our trips,the taxi was so much more
expensive.
Yeah, and it was just not thebest experience.
Public transportation if we'retalking about, like the buses or
(08:46):
the subways, I would do that, Iwould love to take.
I wish we had better publictransportation here.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, but I'll say the light rail has come a long
way.
We did not when I was justdoing that campus tour with Alex
, and the light rail to get toUptown Charlotte is included in
the your tuition of, and you canjust hop on the light rail and
be in Uptown Charlotte in lessthan 30 minutes Like that's
amazing you could have you takenthe light rail yet?
(09:11):
Yeah, yeah, I have taken thelight rail.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, so if I for events cause, I'll park at that
right in front of you and CCthat parking garage and then
take it all the way into Uptown,so I don't have to deal with
the traffic.
So it's great for events.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, for real, yeah, and we didn't have that.
So I mean public transportationwhere you can take it,
especially if you're dealingwith just traffic in general.
It definitely will save yousome time because it's a direct
shot up the rail, it can beintimidating though, because I
remember we were both when wewent to New York City.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
We were like, let's do the subway.
And we walked down, we tried tobuy tickets and we saw the
signs and we're like, never mind, and we walked back up.
We couldn't figure it, wedidn't feel confident.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That was after we had spent two hours walking around
like a four-block grid, rightyeah, and we had just traveled.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
We were so lost?
Yeah, but it was one of those.
We were only there for lessthan 24 hours, so we did not
take the time to likeinvestigate it, but I public
transportation can beintimidating.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It can be intimidating, especially in New
York city like the big apple.
I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So that's on my bucket list when we go back to.
New York city.
I want to experience, I want tolearn how to navigate that.
But, all right, let's talkabout accommodations, because
this people are pretty pickyabout and I'm I feel that Hotel
versus Airbnb, what are youchoosing?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And that's pretty complicated because for me that
is situational to the trip thatI'm going on.
Sometimes I want to be in ahotel.
Sometimes I want to be in anAirbnb, like if we're in New
York city and we want to bewalking around in Times Square,
I would definitely pick a hotel.
(11:00):
If I'm in the like in themountains, out in like
Gatlinburg or near Dollywood, Iwant to be in an Airbnb that has
a hot tub on the deck and Iwant to be able to be surrounded
by nature and I want thatexperience of that.
See what I'm saying yeah, I'mhotel.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I will choose a hotel over Airbnb and what is your
reasoning behind that?
um, I think Airbnbs are.
They're just not my preference.
I don't want to clean.
I don't even like to clean myown house.
I have no desire to do it now,and this is not to say that I
leave messy.
Because we have a timeshare, wehave to clean it.
We don't have services comeevery day.
(11:39):
I prefer the condo style orsomething like that, where
there's amenities around and allthat's kind of included.
But I don't want to have todeal with all those extra fees
that you get.
All these rules Nope, I wantclear cut fees.
Pampering, I guess, is the word.
(12:01):
I don't know.
I'm not there to follow thislist.
I don't know.
Airbnb stressed me out.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Okay, fair enough.
I get you, but I think,especially when you're going
with larger numbers, hotels getreally like the amount you can
get condo style hotels.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
When I'm thinking that I'm like you can get three,
four bedroom connecting or um,you can go through.
It's not individually owned.
I think that's more of what Iwant.
Is that style versus?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
yeah, because you're blurring the line a little bit
for me on that, because when Ithink a hotel, I think the max
you're getting and there's fourpeople in two queen beds.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I guess because we've always had more than one room
in our hotels because of thekids as we got older.
When we were young and broke ashell, it was the two double
beds with everybody, but as wegot older we had separate
bedrooms, and then even Dale andI travel with separate bedrooms
, if we can, because we like ourspace, we to sleep, and so I
(13:05):
can get all the amenities of thehotel with the hotel amenities
in kind of like a airbnb type ofmore room, more more freedom.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
As far as what?
you and I guess I just don'twant to have to worry about I
also watch way too much truecrime when I also think of hotel
as, like, if I'm out in themountains, I want to sit in my
own hot tub on the deck you knowwhat I mean like I don't want
to have to go to a hotel downinto the pool area where there
might be a lot of people, likesome in certain areas.
(13:39):
I just want more privacy, whichI think you can definitely, I
think you would get.
So for me it just depends on thesituation.
If I'm I've got a girl'sweekend going on and we just
want some downtime, it doesn'thave to be, or or even if it's a
couple's weekend, I want I wanta more chillax atmosphere
versus if I'm going to Nashville, I'll stay at a hotel with my
girls, and if we're just goingto different clubs and going out
(14:03):
to restaurants.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And let me answer this, then, because I think
you're right.
I think, when we say the wordAirbnb, which is more of a
branded word versus what itencompasses, because I think
about, like the cabins at, likeTreehouse, vineyard or something
like that I don't consider thatan Airbnb, but it's also not a
hotel.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, like that's why I'm saying it's.
For me, it's the scenario.
It depends on where we are andwhat we're doing versus what
would be the best accommodations, and maybe I'm thinking too
much into this because I'm atravel hotel.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I agree with you, though, but I think if you say
the word Airbnb, I'm usuallyturned off right away, but when
you dive deeper into what thatmeans, maybe we need to come up
with a different word.
When we're talking to peopleand we say hotel versus and I
don't know, that's a good point.
We're going to table that andcome back to it.
As travelers, we need to findout a better way to use that
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word, because Airbnb means thisto me, whereas hotel means all
the others.
So, and I think there is athere's definitely gray areas
and that's an onion.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's a lot of layers right.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's like checking the onion.
It's an onion.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So that's something.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm going to definitely write that down and
be like let's look at that,because I think using that
verbiage is just making it morepigeonholed when it's not, it
shouldn't be Right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
There is like that's also like this, the what level
of luxury you're looking for inthese accommodations, like a
hostile, hostile, hostile.
You see how I feel about ahostile.
I know, I see, I know that'swhere you're going, but Troy
didn't slip there.
Do you want to stay in ahostile?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
or a boutique hotel, and I'm assuming your answer is
going to be boutique hotel.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I mean, I've never stayed in a hostile and well,
yeah, I would probably farebetter, or that would be.
My first choice would be noteven a boutique.
I'm not that prissy pants, butI'm just saying, let me ask you
this what do you consider aboutique hotel?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I don't think boutique hotels are always super
expensive.
I think they're more.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think I think it's the experience and see it all
back to the experience.
Like some boutique hotels arejust that, just means they're
small and they pay for to.
They cater to wellness, theycater to beauty, they cater to-.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Or they're like a bed and breakfast, or they are
small mom and pop style.
That's what I think of when Ithink of boutique, not bougie.
I think bougie is on adifferent level.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Again, I think it's an onion.
I think there's layers of alittle bit of that everywhere
you go.
But, yes, would I rather stayin a more boutique style or than
versus a hostel?
Yes, what about you?
Would you prefer?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I think it depends on if I'm traveling like solo or
just like one or two people.
I'm probably going to choosethe boutique over the hostel.
However, if I'm traveling witha group, I think hostels are
great.
I've looked into group orhostels for group travel,
especially youth and studentgroups and scout groups, and
there are some amazing ones outthere.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Plus international travelers.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
We actually have hostels here in the States and
I'm familiar with a few of them,but hostel stays are more
traditional that's not the rightword.
You see them more ofteninternationally than you do here
in the States and I've readreviews.
They're great.
You have your own.
Sometimes you have your ownspace.
It's just a tiny room, but youhave a shared bathroom.
(17:33):
It's like being in a dorm mostof the time is what I would
think of it.
So again, like you said, Iguess it all comes down to what
experience are you looking?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
for and, and I think you can find that in any one of
these, this or that category.
So if we're talking destinationand experience, um, how about
Disney adults versus Disneyavoiders?
This is a hot topic right, am Iright, mm-hmm?
Do you have your Mickey mouseears?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
ears on.
Nope, I'm a disney avoider if Ican.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm a disney avoider.
I am.
I.
I've been to disney.
I do believe it's magical, um,but I'm definitely not one of
those people that like budgetsout for multiple times per year
and that's where you're truly inyour happy place I'm, and you
all dress up with the ears andthe outfits.
(18:26):
I think that there's a placefor that and I'm happy for those
people that this is what youknow they.
It really gives them something.
You can see, it, you can tell.
You can see how enthusiasticthey are to get in their outfits
day by day and is something butit that for it doesn't do that
for me and I think it's alsodifferent because one we went
(18:50):
when our kids were younger andnow we don't, which and my kids
want to go back.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
They absolutely talk about it.
They've even talked about thatbe.
Instead of us having like aChristmas, this year, we go to
Disney instead as Disney adult,as adults going to Disney, not
Disney adults.
There's a difference there.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Maybe it's something the thing with.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Disney, though is I.
I really think it takes to.
It depends on if you're goingand it's like a one one and done
kind of thing.
It takes a lot of planning toget the best bang for your buck.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I really think it does, absolutely not a on the
fly kind of trip and I wouldrecommend for sure people that
are travel agents that aredisney fanatics also.
We know a couple of them.
You know brian, jackie, julie.
You know what I mean.
Like they are, they areinvested and they know the back
(19:39):
doors to go.
There's so many like hidden,like if you go to this bench and
mention this code word likeit's a whole underground world.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think people should do their research and get
assistance.
If you've never been or youjust don't like planning it, but
google disney travel agents ortravel agents that specialize in
disney, because those are theones that are like with any
niche they can change level upyour experience, yes, yeah, and
I'm going to say I'm totallygoing to own it out there.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm not that, I'm not that travel I would send you if
I had somebody that's like Iwant the most amazing Disney
experience, like I can get you a.
I mean, I, I had an amazingDisney experience but I don't
know I know some of the insidesecrets just because I did so
much hours and hours and hoursof research.
(20:29):
But there are people out there,like the Brian's and Jackie's,
that just know all of the hiddensecrets.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Like yeah, and they enjoy that.
Like I'm going to be straightup, that's I.
Would I, if you know what youwant, you know where you want to
stay, you know where yourtickets, I'll a hundred percent
help you and schedule.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'll show you like sneaky club level shit, you know
what.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I mean, I'm not doing that, I don't, I'm not like
that's where my, that's where Ishine.
I know that that is customerservice when it comes to disney
is to recommend amazing disneyagents because I agree so many,
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or we have a few that I know ofthat.
This is something they aresuper passionate about so I
would definitely recommend thatone out.
Yeah, throw that one out.
All right, let's talk.
Oh, this is a good one.
Touristy hotspots versus offthe beaten path travel.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, you know what I like.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I'm more.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I love your off the beaten, like the hidden gems.
We thrive on hidden gems.
I think sometimes in this dayand age, if there's like a
influencer or something and theysend somebody to all these
places and it's overcrowded, I'mavoiding that all day.
Like I I've been to a lot oftouristy places, I'm kind of
more into the off the beaten orthe hidden gem and going behind
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the waterfall hikes, like that'smy jam.
Where I'm at right now, likeI've done touristy stuff and I'm
not saying that I would never.
I still have so many things onmy bucket list that are touristy
, but right now my vibe, my gem,is the hidden gem type of off
the beaten path.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I want the touristy stuff.
I because usually if it'ssomething touristy, that's what
drew my attention to that area.
But I don't like crowds.
I don't mind the crowds and Ican choose to go off season.
But if I've been planning so, Ithink about this like when I
went to Vegas, I did all thetouristy things.
When I went to the Grand Canyon, did all the touristy things.
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I went to the four corners,which is literally nothing in
the middle of nowhere.
It's four corners.
It's something that I learnedabout, I've either heard about
for years or it sparked my.
I have no problem doing thetouristy things.
When I get to travelinternationally and I get to go,
like, to Paris, I'm seeing allthose touristy things that I
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grew up.
That's what.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I said I'm going to do both, but I don't mind doing
the off the off the beaten pathstuff.
I have had so much joy walkingbehind a waterfall here in North
Carolina that I'm like who elsegets to walk behind this
waterfall?
Like this is kind of magicalwith the water coming down and
you feel like this is a hiddengem, it gives you a different.
(23:21):
So I I'm going to be likeSwitzerlanditzerland all the
time, because this is what I am.
I'm gonna see like there's atime and a place and an
opportunity to enjoy any of thisand all of this.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Given the scenario, I was thinking that, since we've
been going through this, thisisn't a great version for us of
this or that as travel agents,because we love it all I know we
really can love to book all ofit for everybody.
But I, when it comes to thetour, if I had to choose between
touristy and off the beatenpath and it's somewhere I've
(23:54):
been planning I really want, I'mgoing to do all the touristy
things because that's nothingwrong with that that's what I
learned about, or whatever I.
I'm really going to do that.
All right, the next two wintervacations versus summer
vacations.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
So this is funny because you know me and I don't
like the cold.
I was born and raised in Maineand I love Maine and Maine is
beautiful, but it's prettyfucking cold and it has a very
small window of summer.
So it's funny when you ask mewinter versus summer, in winter
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I'm going to be going on acruise to somewhere tropical and
and in summer I'm going tostill also be going to, maybe
the mountains on a waterfallhike or going to Dollywood.
I'm still going to be enjoyingwhatever warmer, whatever the
warmest thing I can do You'renot going to find me on a ski
lift.
You're not going to find me likeice fishing or doing the polar
(24:56):
plunge.
That's my version of vacation.
Is whatever is not cold.
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, it was funny when I first read this.
I thought, well, I'm going onvacation in the winter, if I'm
able to, and the summer.
But what you're saying iscorrect, they mean winter style
vacations like the skiing orsomething like that.
I mean I would try it because,honestly, I've never, but I've
never been skiing.
But I went snow tubing becausewe went up, we have the
mountains near us, so I've donesnow and I enjoyed it for less
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than an hour and then I wasready to go sit by the fire.
But I I won't mind trying it,but you're right, and I would, I
would love to try to ski, butit would probably be like a half
a day sing and then I'mdepending, maybe I love for me,
the biggest branching out wintertrip that I'm willing to take
at this point in my life is anAlaska cruise.
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That is yeah, but you're goingto take that in the summer, so
it's still going to be it's it'sgoing to be cold, you're going
to see snow.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That is true, potentially, yeah all right,
that's as branching out as I cango to the winter wonderland.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, our next one is beach versus mountains, but I'm
going to just say we both willgo to both, depending on the
time of year, and move on.
Since we are chatting and wegot a couple more, I definitely
want to get through.
So let's move on to big citiesversus small town travel.
What's your preference there?
Well, you know, I like themboth.
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I realized we didn't thinkabout this topic before we.
We came up with all theseverses, but we, I don't think
what.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I would say is I'll pick small towns over big cities
, because big cities have largerpopulations and I don't like
crowds, and so I think I wouldpick us, and there's so many
beautiful small towns likeChimney Rock and Blowing Rock
and all of the little.
I love a small town where youcan go into like the general
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store or whatever, and they'vebeen there forever and
everybody's so welcoming I.
To me, I would pick a smalltown over a big city, just
because I guess that's how I wasborn and raised and I do not
like a ton of people Like Idon't want to feel
claustrophobic, I like, I like Ilike open air.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You want your waterfall and your mountain.
Yeah, I totally get that.
I my goal is to hit most of thebig touristy cities.
I really truly want to hit allof them.
I was actually just watching ashow based in LA yesterday and I
was seeing all the scenic viewswhen they're driving around and
I was having like FOMO I cannotwait to.
I've been to LA one time as alayover.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
We stayed the night for our flight but I didn't get
to explore the city.
But those I want to go to, thebig cities I want to hit them
all.
Yeah, Okay, Well, similar tothat.
We have definitely twodifferent paths that we could
diverge on them.
So big city versus small city.
Then we're talking about guidedtours versus exploring on your
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own.
I think for me, that justdepends on where you are.
If I'm in Europe and I don'tknow anything where I'm going, I
want a guided tour.
If I'm bringing you to NorthCarolina, where I've been on the
trails and I know thesuspension height, bridges and
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all of that type situation, thenI'm I'm definitely would be
fine to be exploring on my own.
Um, so I?
For me, it's always situational.
What about you?
I?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
think um, it would be a structured tour versus a
guided tour.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I would like someone there if I'm going somewhere
I've never been like overseas orKind of like when you were in
Jamaica, when you just got inthe taxi and you're like show me
all the cool places.
I did, I just went and foundthe local driver and was like
hey, take us to the.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I think there are times I want that, but there's
also been times where I've goneon certain trips, like when we
went to Hawaii, we had a guide.
Now we were with a bigger groupand we were there for an event
and we had someone in thelocation that if we needed them,
they were there.
We were on our own, we had aschedule, but we had someone if
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we needed.
I think I would want that,especially if I'm traveling
overseas, even if you don't knowall of the customs, like
certain shit means differentthings in different countries so
.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think the more you branch out, the more you need
some kind of assistance, I agree.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well and I don't.
But I don't want a fully guidedtour, because if I find
something, I'm the type thatwill deviate.
You don't want it to be cookiecutter.
Well, I don't want it to be sostructured that I come across
something that's absolutelyamazing and I can't do it.
That's what I don't want.
I want to be able to have likea general plan and then, if
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something amazing comes up, wecan pivot, or you know, that's
what I really want.
I don't want someone telling meguys, we are only an hour.
If I'm loving it, I'd ratherspend half the day here and skip
the next one.
If that's what I'm loving,that's what I would prefer.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well, and then that takes you to fast paced
sightseeing versus slow travel.
And I think it depends on whatyour trip, how long you have
invested in that trip, how muchyou're hoping to see.
If if I'm only going to, uh,italy once in my life which
please Lord, but that not be thecase, but my goal is to to hit
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all of those places in thatwindow it depends on if you're
there for a week versus twoweeks.
You then you can go fast pacedversus having a little more
leisure time.
So it just for me that dependson what that trip that you've
booked out.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I agree.
I think there's a place, a timeand place for both.
Fast paced sightseeing is morefor I need to get in as much as
I can, because I'm probably notgoing to be back here, versus
this is somewhere I can go.
I can go up to DC because Ilove DC.
I don't have to be fast pacedthere.
Because I can, I'm not gonnafind Miss D in DC anytime.
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I love Washington DC.
I love the museum.
It's not anything against DC.
I just the crowd in the bigcity and I have to use public,
or I use public transportationthere.
I absolutely do in DC, um whenI've gone there.
But oh, here's one um earlymorning flights versus red eyes.
What's your choice?
What's your preference?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I would take an early morning flight over a red eye,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I want an early morning flight there, but I want
a red eye back.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's fair because I well agreed.
I try to get well and as atravel advisor we know the early
morning flights get out the thethere's least amount of chance
of delay, trip delay, and ifyour trip is delayed then you're
going to make it to yourdestination that day.
So I would always advocate foran early morning flight, versus
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like rolling in there at likenoon or after.
That's where you start to runinto some trouble.
Um, but I don't mind.
Like you said the red, I go onhome.
You're exhausted anyway.
But I can't sleep on a plane.
So that's my oh, I can't, it'sthat's.
I.
Wish I had that superpower orpower, because I feel like
sleeping on a plane, train, anyfor me it's unaccountability of
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my belongings and my person,like what's going to happen if I
fall asleep?
Anything, somebody couldfucking kill me inject.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I can absolutely fall asleep.
I have you know.
I've told you I sleep in theairport.
I've slept in the airport whenwe've had layovers.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I'm all in those chairs.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
No, no, totally crashing, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
No, somebody could harvest my organs.
I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, here's one of our fate Well, it's one of mine
food and drink debates.
Are we doing street food or arewe doing fine dining?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, you know what?
This is a gray area for me, solet me ask you what you are.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
because, because a I don't eat that much and I I have
reservations about what they'recooking up in those food trucks
.
See, I'm picking street foodwith maybe one night at fine
dining or even an amazing brunch, or fine dining, just because I
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don't like long drawn out mealslike that's me too.
I don't love that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I don't like long drawn out meals, like but also I
like to.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I will never forget.
Dale and I went to a finedining and I say that air quotes
in Vegas, um experience and the.
It was a type of restaurant.
This was gosh.
I don't even know how manyyears ago.
When I asked, I don't rememberif I asked for a soda, or did
you ask for a soda?
Because I don't?
I mean, we both aren't superbig, we weren't super big
drinkers, but they kind offrowned upon us for the soda.
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They had to bring a can.
It wasn't even something theyoffered.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And that reminded me of you.
Can't take them anywhere.
Quote that.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, that, and then the one time for Alexis's
birthday she wanted to go to.
Anyway, I'm just embarrassingin a fine dining because I don't
have the ethic.
I don't.
I don't do it on purpose, but Iwould much.
I don't want that rigidstructure but I want to dress up
and I will dress up to go to astreet vendor, street food.
I think you should wearwhatever you want, I don't need
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the fine dining experience tohave the fine dining.
I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I want a happy medium between.
I want the.
I want the food to be cookedand good oh street food is so
good.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I mean, yeah, but you have a risk of getting at any
restaurant crap food.
I think more of street food is.
I don't.
It's not commercial, so they'renot just putting out thousands
of different stuff.
No, that's a fucking hard jobto have.
It is so, I think they'reinvesting in it.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I think most people that have a food truck are like
they love to cook and that istheir passion and they so.
For me, I think I would choosestreet food over gourmet dining.
If the situation is alwayssituational, but I mean, yeah, I
don't like long drawn out meals.
If it was a special occasionwhere there's this amazing
restaurant that you want to see,then there is a time and a
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place for that.
But overall, the long, finedining I would just.
I would much rather do liketapas style and sit over a few
hours with glasses of wineversus a gourmet dinner being
all stuffy.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
All right.
So are we sticking with what weknow, or are we trying local
cuisine?
What is what would be your?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
choice.
You know that I don't branchout.
I know, no, I'm good, that's agoal I am going to.
I am trying to branch out morein 2025.
That is a goal I'm.
I am and I'm trying things thatI haven't before at.
I just did it at a restaurantthe other day.
I ordered something that Iwould not have normally ordered
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and I enjoyed it and it was okay.
But so many times I've not, andI am a creature of habit, I
will say that but, um, I'mtrying to branch out more in
2025.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I want to try the local cuisine so much more over
something.
I know, however, since I've hadmy gallbladder out, that that's
risky.
Oh, you got something else yougot to factor in?
I do, but I will just prepare,especially if I'm going some a
location that is known for theirfood.
I want to be.
I will prep for that because Iwant to be able to try all those
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street food, the mom and popplaces.
I want to go where the localsare going.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Now, that makes sense , and that makes a lot of sense
because they know where the goodplaces are in that area.
Well, so we got food covered.
How about drinks, like are youmore like coffee, more cocktail?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It depends, because I will choose coffee 90% of the
time unless we're drinking, youknow.
But cause?
I will say that I do not likecoffee and alcohol together.
I've not found a coffeealcoholic coffee drink I like,
but I will drink coffee all day,even as I remember when we were
on the cruise you were going tobring that up.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
You were like I need good coffee.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, it was hard to find good coffee on that cruise.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And so, yeah, you were definitely like we'd wake
up in the morning and you'relike I need good coffee, Denise,
and I'm like, okay, I need amimosa, Cheryl, let's get us
both what we need, and we founda great place that offered both.
I got my coffee and then thatwas our jam Once we found your
good coffee place and my mimosaplace.
Where do we go Every morning?
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Yeah, Went to that place.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I know there are some times where I will have a
mimosa.
Let's be real, it's not amimosa, it's a Prosecco, because
I don't want all the juice andthe acidic.
I maybe a splash of cranberry,just like you say, for color.
I learned that from you.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Other than that, it's just and cranberry is healthy
for your digestive system.
So to me it's I I call it ablush champagne and uh or mimosa
, and it's Prosecco or thesplash of cranberry, and it's a
little bit healthier.
It gives it good color.
I mean, I think it's just youguys should try it, it'll make
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you feel better on a cruise.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, all right, let's talk about tech and travel,
because that is interesting,where we started out with all
the things and then where we arenow with the tech Paper maps
versus Google Maps, I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I listen, you're making me feel old Like I.
I was never really a paper mapperson, like where I came from
back in my day like the cryptkeeper, but I prefer I.
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I have problems with bothbecause I am not very
navigationally.
Um, I am navigationallychallenged, meaning like I'm not
good with directions and Icould be using GPS on my phone
because who knows what the fuck.
500 yards, you know.
Am I turning on this?
Yes, tell me, am I turning onthis street or is it the next
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street up?
Get, throw me a fucking bone.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I don't know, I don't knowwhat 500 yards is I?
If I did, I wouldn't even needyour fucking app in the first
place.
But I have more.
I have more hopes to getting tomy destination with google maps
than regular maps, becauseregular paper maps?
I mean, you have any paper maps?
(39:50):
No, but I have.
In my life I've looked at papermaps, but do I own them?
No, what about you?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I do have like I have North Carolina maps.
Um, I used to know because Itraveled a lot before we had
phones and everything.
I mean you're so.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Crypt Keeper old too.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yes, I am, and I had to drive.
I used to drive before we had.
I print out MapQuest.
Let's throw that one back.
I have some MapQuest directionsand because I travel a lot by
myself or with my kids, I wouldalways take the post-it note,
write the next step and put iton my rear view mirror.
And as I reached that step Ipulled it off.
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But since I stopped using mapsactual paper maps and I
absolutely 100% rely on GoogleMaps that is my jam.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I know, but we're so reliant on it.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But what if the battery dies, then what?
Well, not only that, I think,since I've been doing the
digital mapping, my skill hasreally taken a nosedive.
I don't pay attention, and Idon't mean, I'm not paying
attention Like no, I knowexactly what you're saying,
because when we were kids howmany phone numbers that were?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
what 10 digits Did we have to remember in our brain
my mom's number's number, mygrandma's number, my best
friend's number, like weremembered all flashy back, let
me remind you we used to nothave to remember area codes.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
remember that it was only seven digits.
It was right, you didn't haveto remember the area code.
That wasn't always somethingyou had to dial or for me it
wasn't because we lived, I guess, further out in the country,
but I remember when it became athing like you had to start
dialing the area code, and thatwas a whole other thing.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And then I'm just saying our children have no idea
what, probably what theirnumber is, let alone our number,
or they're like it's all justin the phone, that's all they
know.
Scroll through the phone, findwhat you need, but it's not.
It's not.
We live in, we're so fucked.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I know, all right, we're at like a little over time
, so let's do this.
Next, the last few parts andrapid fire.
Okay, okay.
Let's's try it, we've actuallytried rapid fire before and it
doesn't go well, because wealways want to give an
explanation, because we like tochit chat, but we're on time for
our timing.
Let's do this real quick.
Okay, when you're traveling,are you doing a digital detox or
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staying connected whiletraveling?
I'm staying connected.
Same, I'm staying connected.
I don't need to digital detox.
All right, selfies, selfies orasking strangers for photos.
I'm all about a selfie.
I used to be like alwayswanting to ask someone for the
photo, but now I prefer.
I feel awkward, so I willprefer to do the selfie and I
don't like it.
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It makes me uncomfortable whenpeople ask do you want me to
take that for you?
If people will.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
If people come to me and ask, I be like, absolutely,
but you've, you've heard thehorror stories where they just
run away with your phone and Idon't know what I would do if I
don't have my phone.
So that's that.
Honestly, what factors intowhether I let a stranger hold.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
My phone is my wallet .
Like I know that's goteverything my life on it.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
So when somebody offers to take my phone to take
a picture, I I'm like you knowwhat we need to do when we
travel.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Have the stretchable lanyard.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
That might seem a little awkward.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
They might not offer her at that point, that's all
right, though.
All right, let's move on.
Are you checking your emails onvacation?
Are you completely logging off?
I'm checking my emails.
I'm checking my emails.
We kind of have to, thoughWindow seat versus aisle seat.
Windows, all aisle.
This is why we are such greattravel Cause I don't.
I want the aisle.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I want to be able to look out and see where I'm
leaving from, see where I'mgoing to.
I like to look at the fluffyclouds.
I like, I like to just look,it's I listen.
I used to work in thecartography lab at university in
North Carolina, so I'm allabout some maps and some
topography and I just I like it.
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I like to look out and see whatdifferent types of land I'm
flying over.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I'm choosing window seat because I want the illusion
of being able to escape.
I don't like feeling trappedNow.
There's nowhere to escape onthis plane, but I like the
illusion that I'm not trapped inthe middle I thought you said
your aisle I said aisle okay, soyou like the illusion of the
window seat, but is I?
Thought oh, I'm sorry, I likethe illusion of the aisle seat.
Did I say that incorrectly?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
yeah, that's why I was confused.
You said I like the illusion ofa window seat.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Oh, no, no, no, no I like yeah, okay, let me, I'm
just making sure, because youknow, clarifying maybe what I
was, I don't know what I want.
The aisle seat 100 okay, likethe illusion of not being
trapped, of being able to escapein the aisle seat, okay that's
what I was like for a pottybreak.
If you need to go pee, you needto get out and not have that too
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, like I don't want to feel,like I have to, you know,
inconvenience others.
I don't like to feel trapped.
I do not like the middle or thewindow.
Now, one of the things you okay, we need to not go on our
tangent.
We suck at the whole this orthat, or rapid fire where it's
quick answer, because we alwayswant to elaborate.
So let's move on.
I want aisle.
You want window check.
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Are you reclining your airplaneseat or are you staying upright
?
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I just stay.
I like I, you know me, you'veslept with me.
I like I just stay in my area,stay in my lane, Don't cause any
ruckus, I don't, I don'trecline, I just stay there and I
read my naughty book and I'mjust like there for the ride and
I try not to cause any kind offootprint.
(45:32):
I take my trash with me, that's.
I'm just moving on.
I'm just there for a fractionof the moment to get from point
A to point B.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yes, I am.
I want to recline my seat, butI don't want to inconvenience
others, so I usually stay upstraight.
Now, if it's a long flight Imight have to, just for comfort,
like whatever, but I would.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I do.
I sacrifice my comfort to juststay in my lane and just be.
I don't want to inconvenienceothers.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I do too.
Just stay in my lane.
All right, I know the answer tothis for you, but was on the
list wearing pajamas to theairport why do people think it's
okay to wear pajamas everywherelike I?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I'm trying not to judge you, but I'm kind of
fucking judging you because Iknow, I know it's not
comfortable to be on a plane.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
That's what leggings are for, though, like you can,
can still wear comfy clothes.
Yeah, I'm look, I'm with you.
I know you're.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
I'm never catching you.
Pajamas or pajamas.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
You don't even go down to breakfast at the hotel?
I will not.
I will say you've gotten betterbecause you'll wear, like your,
your sleep leggings and yourt-shirt, but you always put your
sparkly sweater on over it thatyou have.
Whatever one you have thatyou're wearing for, like keeping
warm, right, but you don't.
100 change now since you'vebeen traveling with me because
I'm not wearing pajamas?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
because because mine are like fleece line leggings,
yeah, like honey love tops, andit's like stuff that you could
work out in it doesn't look likeeven that you don't prefer, you
still will.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
No, I would still prefer to.
I'm literally going down now.
I won't wear my pajama pants tothe airport, unless I ever read
I.
Maybe I haven't really donethat, but I'm wearing leggings
and comfy clothes.
The only time I'm dressing upis when we have to go straight
from the airport to an event.
Then I'm wearing somethingthat's business casual usually.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely something that's
business casual usually, yeah,yeah, yeah, I'm definitely.
I can't do the pajamas thing.
I just I just can't.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
All right, let's do one more, because we are way we
don't do well at being quick,rapid fire this or that.
We want to chat All rightoverpacking snacks or relying on
airport food.
Well, I don't pack snacks, Iknow, and that I don't pack
snacks, I know, and that I don'tunderstand that.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I'm always packing snacks.
I don't Well, but I don't orderstuff at the airport either, so
I guess I just don't eat.
I'm going to rely on yoursnacks.
I hope that we go together.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
I am always taking snacks and if there's something
really good at the airport, I'mprobably grabbing something
there, depending on what mytransition is, if I'm getting
there in the morning or justlike a quick thing.
But yeah, I'm usually probablyI don't really I don't feel like
I spend like We've got thecharcuterie.
Did we get the charcuterieboard on the airplane?
It's not a charcuterie board, itwas like a lunchable for adults
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, but I think we bought it thatone time on the airplane, it was
at the airport, it wassomewhere.
While we, I know, with thechampagne, did we not get that
combo?
Speaker 1 (48:34):
no, we just got the champagne.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh, got you okay, but that was fun.
Remember, we take time becausewe are so over time right now.
We get on so many damn tangents.
Save that for another episode.
All right, you guys want tohear what she's gonna say.
You gotta come back next week.
We'll probably forget what itwas but we had.
This was a lot of fun, becauseI like to learn.
You know our differences aswell as what we want to hear.
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What you guys do, um, yeah,everybody's travel style is so
different, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
So interject, intervene, give.
We want to hear what yourcomments.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, Interact with us guys.
We need to know you'relistening.
That's right.
We want to we're just havingfun talking with ourselves.
We'll keep going, but we'd liketo participate.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Okay, we wanted to and we are invested in you.
We want to hear your travelstyle and that might help us
like, if you give us some input.
We are travel agents that mighthelp us help somebody else
because of your input, so we'rehere for you to help others all
right have a great day, guys,you.
Good afternoon.
How are you doing today, cheryl?
I am good, it's sunny.
It's nice, it is sunny andspring is here.
Cheers to spring.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I have a mimosa, I'm just having wine.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, so I think there may be abird going into the bird box.
Sorry, that was a littlesquirrel moment.
I was looking out.
I was looking out andappreciating the fact that the
bradford pears have shed all oftheir white funk.
Yes, because I'm serious, likemy the allergies.
(00:54):
I keep talking about it and I'mnot trying to keep talking
about it, but it's like serious.
It's like the resistance is outthere.
May the author ever be in yourfavor.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah.
Um so what are we talking abouttoday?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So we're just talking about kind of like a this or
that travel style.
You know, like what is yourpreference?
Um, so, for example, I'll giveyou a this is like easy.
So would you prefer, are you acarry on or are you a checked
bag type of person?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm a both I'm taking a carry on and I'm taking a
checked bag.
Oh well, and let me rephrasethat Carry on is not always the
carry on suitcase.
Sometimes it's just a largerbag.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It depends on what airline you're on right because
they're really stretching thewhole carry-on.
It's really more like apersonal item with a lot of the
budget places like that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yes, carry on that like well, am I personally going
checked bag?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
yeah, bag at the very least, and we've traveled
together and we don't travellight, so it could be a checked
bag and a carry-on and apersonal item there.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That's my preference If I had a choice.
Honestly, yeah, yeah.
How about?
Oh, when it comes to packing,because we do overpack, are you
rolling your clothes in that new, that style that everybody's
talking about to pack tighterorpack?
Are you rolling your clothesand that new, that style that
everybody's talking about topack tighter, or are you just
folding your clothes?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I.
I mean, my first choice isfolding, just because I'm a
creature of habit and that'swhat I know.
I tried the whole rolling.
I don't feel like for me.
I don't feel like I got more inby rolling.
I think I think you can stillstack it in, I don't know.
So I'm going to go with.
I'm a folder.
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What about you?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I start off as a roller and my suitcase and my
bags are very organized pre-trip.
What it looks like coming backis a whole different experience.
It is literally just thrown inthere, however it will fit.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
There's no organization agreed because I
don't give a shit.
By the time it's coming home itall needs to be washed and
stuff like that.
I just need to make sure thatthe suitcase zips that's my only
criteria coming home.
It does not have to look neat,not wrinkled, it can be whatever
it, just the suitcase has tozip.
That's what I got.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Right, and I, when I'm packing, I'm making a list,
like even if it's a mental list,I'm having my days, I'm if
we're going somewhere where weneed bathing suits, I've got all
the components for that, likeI'm putting things in piles and
organizing it like that, so Iknow I have everything I need.
The funny thing is coming back,especially when I don't travel
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with the kids, and when the kidswere little I did this, but I'm
not making sure I'm bringingeverything back.
I've totally left things beforebecause I'm not doing the check
.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I totally get that.
And how about suitcase versusbackpack?
But I think I've brought bothand I use the backpack as like a
day trip type of thing.
If I'm going to the beach orwhatever, I want to be able to
put sunscreen and all that stuff.
So I'm not bringing my fullsuitcase but I want to have even
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if it's not a backpack.
I want to have a secondary bagthat I can do for day tripping.
How, how do you do the samething pretty much do for day
tripping.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
How do you do the same thing?
Pretty much, yeah, I.
Usually.
I try to make sure all the bagsthat I'm taking are usable.
In some way.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So if I'm doing a checked bag and a carry-on, or
like a personal item.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I'm making sure that personal item can be used for
the rest of the trip.
It's got a purpose.
And then if I can't like,depending on the style of trip
we're going on, I will take oneof those rolled up style bags
and stick that in my suitcase orthe backpack or whatever.
So I have it when I'm there.
But yeah that's definitelyabout that.
And obviously we talked aboutpacking light versus packing for
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every scenario.
I'm packing for every scenario.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean, I don't pack light and I'm not planning
to adjust that behavior.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Right, okay, so this is interesting because when it
comes to luggage and packing, weare very similar in that we are
perfectly fine bringing thewhole house and kitchen sink and
all like.
We're perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think we've entertained other guests in the
hotel when they see our cartscarts yes.
They have to help us get intothe door and into the elevator.
They're like damn girls, areyou moving in?
And we're like, no, we're justhere for the weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I know that's the thing there for the weekend, all
right, so we're very similar inthat, but let's see how we are
when it comes to transportationshowdowns.
Okay, are you a plane versustrain?
What would be?
And those two what would be?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
your choice.
I'm definitely playing, I meanI.
I it's not that I don't want todo, I'm dying to get on rail
bookers.
That's one of our big vendorsand they have fit packages that
are really customizable.
So I do want to experiencetrain, but for me I'm just
basing this on um it takes a lotlonger to travel by train
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versus plane.
So when I'm traveling thesedays, I'm traveling to make it
the shorter distance, otherwiseit for me it would be um, plane
versus road, tripping it.
And then where are you there?
Because then, if we're talking,we just we just had to
encounter that for podcast,right?
Yeah, we had to decide whetherwe wanted to take really bad
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flights that were not the idealtime and it would have taken us
the same amount of time to go.
There wasn't even a directflight to get down to Florida.
It was going to take us almostas long to fly two different
flights with a layover than itwas to just drive straight
through.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, it was so much cheaper.
So I agree with you.
If it's plane versus road trip,it really depends on am I is
the goal here to just get to thedestination of the goal.
Or if, like, road tripping isfun.
I like road tripping to acertain extent.
Yeah, train travel Again.
If I'm just trying to get frompoint A to point B, I'm going to
choose plane and probably carover train.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, but I will say if you are going for the
experience of because on thosetrains there's beds, there's
like you can be sleeping whileyou're traveling you can't.
If you're driving straightthrough the driver, he does not
get any reprieve.
You're driving.
But if you're trying to getfrom point A to point B in a
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timely manner and you don't feellike you could do the 12 or 15
hour drive, then I wouldrecommend a plane over versus a
road trip, because then you'reon there and you can do whatever
.
You can eat, you can drink,yeah, sleep, you can do whatever
you want.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's like being on a cruise on land, being on the
ship.
Everything is there.
Now I would for the adventure.
I would do like you saidrailbookers or rocky mountain
tier um, both of those arereally good for the adventure,
uh, and I and they're.
But it's set up that way.
Their trains are different.
They're made more for thatadventure versus your regular
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like amtrak, where you just havea seat right.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I agree with that and the next category, um,
I think would depend more sowhere you live in the country,
if you're in a city, versus.
But what do you think aboutlike Uber versus like public
transportation per se?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I would rather take an Uber over a taxi and we're
talking about in the state side.
I would rather take an Uberversus a taxi because, as we
found out on one of our trips,the taxi was so much more
expensive.
Yeah, and it was just not thebest experience.
Public transportation if we'retalking about, like the buses or
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the subways, I would do that, Iwould love to take.
I wish we had better publictransportation here.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, but I'll say the light rail has come a long
way.
We did not when I was justdoing that campus tour with Alex
, and the light rail to get toUptown Charlotte is included in
the your tuition of, and you canjust hop on the light rail and
be in Uptown Charlotte in lessthan 30 minutes Like that's
amazing you could have you takenthe light rail yet?
(09:11):
Yeah, yeah, I have taken thelight rail.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, so if I for events cause, I'll park at that
right in front of you and CCthat parking garage and then
take it all the way into Uptown,so I don't have to deal with
the traffic.
So it's great for events.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, for real, yeah, and we didn't have that.
So I mean public transportationwhere you can take it,
especially if you're dealingwith just traffic in general.
It definitely will save yousome time because it's a direct
shot up the rail, it can beintimidating though, because I
remember we were both when wewent to New York City.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
We were like, let's do the subway.
And we walked down, we tried tobuy tickets and we saw the
signs and we're like, never mind, and we walked back up.
We couldn't figure it, wedidn't feel confident.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That was after we had spent two hours walking around
like a four-block grid, rightyeah, and we had just traveled.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
We were so lost?
Yeah, but it was one of those.
We were only there for lessthan 24 hours, so we did not
take the time to likeinvestigate it, but I public
transportation can beintimidating.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It can be intimidating, especially in New
York city like the big apple.
I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So that's on my bucket list when we go back to.
New York city.
I want to experience, I want tolearn how to navigate that.
But, all right, let's talkabout accommodations, because
this people are pretty pickyabout and I'm I feel that Hotel
versus Airbnb, what are youchoosing?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And that's pretty complicated because for me that
is situational to the trip thatI'm going on.
Sometimes I want to be in ahotel.
Sometimes I want to be in anAirbnb, like if we're in New
York city and we want to bewalking around in Times Square,
I would definitely pick a hotel.
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If I'm in the like in themountains, out in like
Gatlinburg or near Dollywood, Iwant to be in an Airbnb that has
a hot tub on the deck and Iwant to be able to be surrounded
by nature and I want thatexperience of that.
See what I'm saying yeah, I'mhotel.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I will choose a hotel over Airbnb and what is your
reasoning behind that?
um, I think Airbnbs are.
They're just not my preference.
I don't want to clean.
I don't even like to clean myown house.
I have no desire to do it now,and this is not to say that I
leave messy.
Because we have a timeshare, wehave to clean it.
We don't have services comeevery day.
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I prefer the condo style orsomething like that, where
there's amenities around and allthat's kind of included.
But I don't want to have todeal with all those extra fees
that you get.
All these rules Nope, I wantclear cut fees.
Pampering, I guess, is the word.
(12:01):
I don't know.
I'm not there to follow thislist.
I don't know.
Airbnb stressed me out.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Okay, fair enough.
I get you, but I think,especially when you're going
with larger numbers, hotels getreally like the amount you can
get condo style hotels.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
When I'm thinking that I'm like you can get three,
four bedroom connecting or um,you can go through.
It's not individually owned.
I think that's more of what Iwant.
Is that style versus?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
yeah, because you're blurring the line a little bit
for me on that, because when Ithink a hotel, I think the max
you're getting and there's fourpeople in two queen beds.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I guess because we've always had more than one room
in our hotels because of thekids as we got older.
When we were young and broke ashell, it was the two double
beds with everybody, but as wegot older we had separate
bedrooms, and then even Dale andI travel with separate bedrooms
, if we can, because we like ourspace, we to sleep, and so I
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can get all the amenities of thehotel with the hotel amenities
in kind of like a airbnb type ofmore room, more more freedom.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
As far as what?
you and I guess I just don'twant to have to worry about I
also watch way too much truecrime when I also think of hotel
as, like, if I'm out in themountains, I want to sit in my
own hot tub on the deck you knowwhat I mean like I don't want
to have to go to a hotel downinto the pool area where there
might be a lot of people, likesome in certain areas.
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I just want more privacy, whichI think you can definitely, I
think you would get.
So for me it just depends on thesituation.
If I'm I've got a girl'sweekend going on and we just
want some downtime, it doesn'thave to be, or or even if it's a
couple's weekend, I want I wanta more chillax atmosphere
versus if I'm going to Nashville, I'll stay at a hotel with my
girls, and if we're just goingto different clubs and going out
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to restaurants.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And let me answer this, then, because I think
you're right.
I think, when we say the wordAirbnb, which is more of a
branded word versus what itencompasses, because I think
about, like the cabins at, likeTreehouse, vineyard or something
like that I don't consider thatan Airbnb, but it's also not a
hotel.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, like that's why I'm saying it's.
For me, it's the scenario.
It depends on where we are andwhat we're doing versus what
would be the best accommodations, and maybe I'm thinking too
much into this because I'm atravel hotel.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I agree with you, though, but I think if you say
the word Airbnb, I'm usuallyturned off right away, but when
you dive deeper into what thatmeans, maybe we need to come up
with a different word.
When we're talking to peopleand we say hotel versus and I
don't know, that's a good point.
We're going to table that andcome back to it.
As travelers, we need to findout a better way to use that
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word, because Airbnb means thisto me, whereas hotel means all
the others.
So, and I think there is athere's definitely gray areas
and that's an onion.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's a lot of layers right.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's like checking the onion.
It's an onion.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So that's something.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm going to definitely write that down and
be like let's look at that,because I think using that
verbiage is just making it morepigeonholed when it's not, it
shouldn't be Right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
There is like that's also like this, the what level
of luxury you're looking for inthese accommodations, like a
hostile, hostile, hostile.
You see how I feel about ahostile.
I know, I see, I know that'swhere you're going, but Troy
didn't slip there.
Do you want to stay in ahostile?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
or a boutique hotel, and I'm assuming your answer is
going to be boutique hotel.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I mean, I've never stayed in a hostile and well,
yeah, I would probably farebetter, or that would be.
My first choice would be noteven a boutique.
I'm not that prissy pants, butI'm just saying, let me ask you
this what do you consider aboutique hotel?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I don't think boutique hotels are always super
expensive.
I think they're more.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think I think it's the experience and see it all
back to the experience.
Like some boutique hotels arejust that, just means they're
small and they pay for to.
They cater to wellness, theycater to beauty, they cater to-.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Or they're like a bed and breakfast, or they are
small mom and pop style.
That's what I think of when Ithink of boutique, not bougie.
I think bougie is on adifferent level.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Again, I think it's an onion.
I think there's layers of alittle bit of that everywhere
you go.
But, yes, would I rather stayin a more boutique style or than
versus a hostel?
Yes, what about you?
Would you prefer?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I think it depends on if I'm traveling like solo or
just like one or two people.
I'm probably going to choosethe boutique over the hostel.
However, if I'm traveling witha group, I think hostels are
great.
I've looked into group orhostels for group travel,
especially youth and studentgroups and scout groups, and
there are some amazing ones outthere.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Plus international travelers.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
We actually have hostels here in the States and
I'm familiar with a few of them,but hostel stays are more
traditional that's not the rightword.
You see them more ofteninternationally than you do here
in the States and I've readreviews.
They're great.
You have your own.
Sometimes you have your ownspace.
It's just a tiny room, but youhave a shared bathroom.
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It's like being in a dorm mostof the time is what I would
think of it.
So again, like you said, Iguess it all comes down to what
experience are you looking?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
for and, and I think you can find that in any one of
these, this or that category.
So if we're talking destinationand experience, um, how about
Disney adults versus Disneyavoiders?
This is a hot topic right, am Iright, mm-hmm?
Do you have your Mickey mouseears?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
ears on.
Nope, I'm a disney avoider if Ican.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm a disney avoider.
I am.
I.
I've been to disney.
I do believe it's magical, um,but I'm definitely not one of
those people that like budgetsout for multiple times per year
and that's where you're truly inyour happy place I'm, and you
all dress up with the ears andthe outfits.
(18:26):
I think that there's a placefor that and I'm happy for those
people that this is what youknow they.
It really gives them something.
You can see, it, you can tell.
You can see how enthusiasticthey are to get in their outfits
day by day and is something butit that for it doesn't do that
for me and I think it's alsodifferent because one we went
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when our kids were younger andnow we don't, which and my kids
want to go back.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
They absolutely talk about it.
They've even talked about thatbe.
Instead of us having like aChristmas, this year, we go to
Disney instead as Disney adult,as adults going to Disney, not
Disney adults.
There's a difference there.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Maybe it's something the thing with.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Disney, though is I.
I really think it takes to.
It depends on if you're goingand it's like a one one and done
kind of thing.
It takes a lot of planning toget the best bang for your buck.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I really think it does, absolutely not a on the
fly kind of trip and I wouldrecommend for sure people that
are travel agents that aredisney fanatics also.
We know a couple of them.
You know brian, jackie, julie.
You know what I mean.
Like they are, they areinvested and they know the back
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doors to go.
There's so many like hidden,like if you go to this bench and
mention this code word likeit's a whole underground world.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think people should do their research and get
assistance.
If you've never been or youjust don't like planning it, but
google disney travel agents ortravel agents that specialize in
disney, because those are theones that are like with any
niche they can change level upyour experience, yes, yeah, and
I'm going to say I'm totallygoing to own it out there.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm not that, I'm not that travel I would send you if
I had somebody that's like Iwant the most amazing Disney
experience, like I can get you a.
I mean, I, I had an amazingDisney experience but I don't
know I know some of the insidesecrets just because I did so
much hours and hours and hoursof research.
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But there are people out there,like the Brian's and Jackie's,
that just know all of the hiddensecrets.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Like yeah, and they enjoy that.
Like I'm going to be straightup, that's I.
Would I, if you know what youwant, you know where you want to
stay, you know where yourtickets, I'll a hundred percent
help you and schedule.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'll show you like sneaky club level shit, you know
what.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I mean, I'm not doing that, I don't, I'm not like
that's where my, that's where Ishine.
I know that that is customerservice when it comes to disney
is to recommend amazing disneyagents because I agree so many,
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or we have a few that I know ofthat.
This is something they aresuper passionate about so I
would definitely recommend thatone out.
Yeah, throw that one out.
All right, let's talk.
Oh, this is a good one.
Touristy hotspots versus offthe beaten path travel.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, you know what I like.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I'm more.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I love your off the beaten, like the hidden gems.
We thrive on hidden gems.
I think sometimes in this dayand age, if there's like a
influencer or something and theysend somebody to all these
places and it's overcrowded, I'mavoiding that all day.
Like I I've been to a lot oftouristy places, I'm kind of
more into the off the beaten orthe hidden gem and going behind
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the waterfall hikes, like that'smy jam.
Where I'm at right now, likeI've done touristy stuff and I'm
not saying that I would never.
I still have so many things onmy bucket list that are touristy
, but right now my vibe, my gem,is the hidden gem type of off
the beaten path.
What about you?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I want the touristy stuff.
I because usually if it'ssomething touristy, that's what
drew my attention to that area.
But I don't like crowds.
I don't mind the crowds and Ican choose to go off season.
But if I've been planning so, Ithink about this like when I
went to Vegas, I did all thetouristy things.
When I went to the Grand Canyon, did all the touristy things.
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I went to the four corners,which is literally nothing in
the middle of nowhere.
It's four corners.
It's something that I learnedabout, I've either heard about
for years or it sparked my.
I have no problem doing thetouristy things.
When I get to travelinternationally and I get to go,
like, to Paris, I'm seeing allthose touristy things that I
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grew up.
That's what.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I said I'm going to do both, but I don't mind doing
the off the off the beaten pathstuff.
I have had so much joy walkingbehind a waterfall here in North
Carolina that I'm like who elsegets to walk behind this
waterfall?
Like this is kind of magicalwith the water coming down and
you feel like this is a hiddengem, it gives you a different.
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So I I'm going to be likeSwitzerlanditzerland all the
time, because this is what I am.
I'm gonna see like there's atime and a place and an
opportunity to enjoy any of thisand all of this.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Given the scenario, I was thinking that, since we've
been going through this, thisisn't a great version for us of
this or that as travel agents,because we love it all I know we
really can love to book all ofit for everybody.
But I, when it comes to thetour, if I had to choose between
touristy and off the beatenpath and it's somewhere I've
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been planning I really want, I'mgoing to do all the touristy
things because that's nothingwrong with that that's what I
learned about, or whatever I.
I'm really going to do that.
All right, the next two wintervacations versus summer
vacations.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
So this is funny because you know me and I don't
like the cold.
I was born and raised in Maineand I love Maine and Maine is
beautiful, but it's prettyfucking cold and it has a very
small window of summer.
So it's funny when you ask mewinter versus summer, in winter
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I'm going to be going on acruise to somewhere tropical and
and in summer I'm going tostill also be going to, maybe
the mountains on a waterfallhike or going to Dollywood.
I'm still going to be enjoyingwhatever warmer, whatever the
warmest thing I can do You'renot going to find me on a ski
lift.
You're not going to find me likeice fishing or doing the polar
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plunge.
That's my version of vacation.
Is whatever is not cold.
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, it was funny when I first read this.
I thought, well, I'm going onvacation in the winter, if I'm
able to, and the summer.
But what you're saying iscorrect, they mean winter style
vacations like the skiing orsomething like that.
I mean I would try it because,honestly, I've never, but I've
never been skiing.
But I went snow tubing becausewe went up, we have the
mountains near us, so I've donesnow and I enjoyed it for less
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than an hour and then I wasready to go sit by the fire.
But I I won't mind trying it,but you're right, and I would, I
would love to try to ski, butit would probably be like a half
a day sing and then I'mdepending, maybe I love for me,
the biggest branching out wintertrip that I'm willing to take
at this point in my life is anAlaska cruise.
(25:48):
That is yeah, but you're goingto take that in the summer, so
it's still going to be it's it'sgoing to be cold, you're going
to see snow.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That is true, potentially, yeah all right,
that's as branching out as I cango to the winter wonderland.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, our next one is beach versus mountains, but I'm
going to just say we both willgo to both, depending on the
time of year, and move on.
Since we are chatting and wegot a couple more, I definitely
want to get through.
So let's move on to big citiesversus small town travel.
What's your preference there?
Well, you know, I like themboth.
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I realized we didn't thinkabout this topic before we.
We came up with all theseverses, but we, I don't think
what.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I would say is I'll pick small towns over big cities
, because big cities have largerpopulations and I don't like
crowds, and so I think I wouldpick us, and there's so many
beautiful small towns likeChimney Rock and Blowing Rock
and all of the little.
I love a small town where youcan go into like the general
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store or whatever, and they'vebeen there forever and
everybody's so welcoming I.
To me, I would pick a smalltown over a big city, just
because I guess that's how I wasborn and raised and I do not
like a ton of people Like Idon't want to feel
claustrophobic, I like, I like Ilike open air.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You want your waterfall and your mountain.
Yeah, I totally get that.
I my goal is to hit most of thebig touristy cities.
I really truly want to hit allof them.
I was actually just watching ashow based in LA yesterday and I
was seeing all the scenic viewswhen they're driving around and
I was having like FOMO I cannotwait to.
I've been to LA one time as alayover.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
We stayed the night for our flight but I didn't get
to explore the city.
But those I want to go to, thebig cities I want to hit them
all.
Yeah, Okay, Well, similar tothat.
We have definitely twodifferent paths that we could
diverge on them.
So big city versus small city.
Then we're talking about guidedtours versus exploring on your
(28:05):
own.
I think for me, that justdepends on where you are.
If I'm in Europe and I don'tknow anything where I'm going, I
want a guided tour.
If I'm bringing you to NorthCarolina, where I've been on the
trails and I know thesuspension height, bridges and
(28:26):
all of that type situation, thenI'm I'm definitely would be
fine to be exploring on my own.
Um, so I?
For me, it's always situational.
What about you?
I?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
think um, it would be a structured tour versus a
guided tour.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I would like someone there if I'm going somewhere
I've never been like overseas orKind of like when you were in
Jamaica, when you just got inthe taxi and you're like show me
all the cool places.
I did, I just went and foundthe local driver and was like
hey, take us to the.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I think there are times I want that, but there's
also been times where I've goneon certain trips, like when we
went to Hawaii, we had a guide.
Now we were with a bigger groupand we were there for an event
and we had someone in thelocation that if we needed them,
they were there.
We were on our own, we had aschedule, but we had someone if
(29:21):
we needed.
I think I would want that,especially if I'm traveling
overseas, even if you don't knowall of the customs, like
certain shit means differentthings in different countries so
.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think the more you branch out, the more you need
some kind of assistance, I agree.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well and I don't.
But I don't want a fully guidedtour, because if I find
something, I'm the type thatwill deviate.
You don't want it to be cookiecutter.
Well, I don't want it to be sostructured that I come across
something that's absolutelyamazing and I can't do it.
That's what I don't want.
I want to be able to have likea general plan and then, if
(30:00):
something amazing comes up, wecan pivot, or you know, that's
what I really want.
I don't want someone telling meguys, we are only an hour.
If I'm loving it, I'd ratherspend half the day here and skip
the next one.
If that's what I'm loving,that's what I would prefer.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well, and then that takes you to fast paced
sightseeing versus slow travel.
And I think it depends on whatyour trip, how long you have
invested in that trip, how muchyou're hoping to see.
If if I'm only going to, uh,italy once in my life which
please Lord, but that not be thecase, but my goal is to to hit
(30:37):
all of those places in thatwindow it depends on if you're
there for a week versus twoweeks.
You then you can go fast pacedversus having a little more
leisure time.
So it just for me that dependson what that trip that you've
booked out.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I agree.
I think there's a place, a timeand place for both.
Fast paced sightseeing is morefor I need to get in as much as
I can, because I'm probably notgoing to be back here, versus
this is somewhere I can go.
I can go up to DC because Ilove DC.
I don't have to be fast pacedthere.
Because I can, I'm not gonnafind Miss D in DC anytime.
(31:17):
I love Washington DC.
I love the museum.
It's not anything against DC.
I just the crowd in the bigcity and I have to use public,
or I use public transportationthere.
I absolutely do in DC, um whenI've gone there.
But oh, here's one um earlymorning flights versus red eyes.
What's your choice?
What's your preference?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I would take an early morning flight over a red eye,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I want an early morning flight there, but I want
a red eye back.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's fair because I well agreed.
I try to get well and as atravel advisor we know the early
morning flights get out the thethere's least amount of chance
of delay, trip delay, and ifyour trip is delayed then you're
going to make it to yourdestination that day.
So I would always advocate foran early morning flight, versus
(32:06):
like rolling in there at likenoon or after.
That's where you start to runinto some trouble.
Um, but I don't mind.
Like you said the red, I go onhome.
You're exhausted anyway.
But I can't sleep on a plane.
So that's my oh, I can't, it'sthat's.
I.
Wish I had that superpower orpower, because I feel like
sleeping on a plane, train, anyfor me it's unaccountability of
(32:32):
my belongings and my person,like what's going to happen if I
fall asleep?
Anything, somebody couldfucking kill me inject.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I can absolutely fall asleep.
I have you know.
I've told you I sleep in theairport.
I've slept in the airport whenwe've had layovers.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I'm all in those chairs.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
No, no, totally crashing, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
No, somebody could harvest my organs.
I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, here's one of our fate Well, it's one of mine
food and drink debates.
Are we doing street food or arewe doing fine dining?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, you know what?
This is a gray area for me, solet me ask you what you are.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
because, because a I don't eat that much and I I have
reservations about what they'recooking up in those food trucks
.
See, I'm picking street foodwith maybe one night at fine
dining or even an amazing brunch, or fine dining, just because I
(33:32):
don't like long drawn out mealslike that's me too.
I don't love that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I don't like long drawn out meals, like but also I
like to.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I will never forget.
Dale and I went to a finedining and I say that air quotes
in Vegas, um experience and the.
It was a type of restaurant.
This was gosh.
I don't even know how manyyears ago.
When I asked, I don't rememberif I asked for a soda, or did
you ask for a soda?
Because I don't?
I mean, we both aren't superbig, we weren't super big
drinkers, but they kind offrowned upon us for the soda.
(34:04):
They had to bring a can.
It wasn't even something theyoffered.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And that reminded me of you.
Can't take them anywhere.
Quote that.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, that, and then the one time for Alexis's
birthday she wanted to go to.
Anyway, I'm just embarrassingin a fine dining because I don't
have the ethic.
I don't.
I don't do it on purpose, but Iwould much.
I don't want that rigidstructure but I want to dress up
and I will dress up to go to astreet vendor, street food.
I think you should wearwhatever you want, I don't need
(34:34):
the fine dining experience tohave the fine dining.
I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I want a happy medium between.
I want the.
I want the food to be cookedand good oh street food is so
good.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I mean, yeah, but you have a risk of getting at any
restaurant crap food.
I think more of street food is.
I don't.
It's not commercial, so they'renot just putting out thousands
of different stuff.
No, that's a fucking hard jobto have.
It is so, I think they'reinvesting in it.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I think most people that have a food truck are like
they love to cook and that istheir passion and they so.
For me, I think I would choosestreet food over gourmet dining.
If the situation is alwayssituational, but I mean, yeah, I
don't like long drawn out meals.
If it was a special occasionwhere there's this amazing
restaurant that you want to see,then there is a time and a
(35:29):
place for that.
But overall, the long, finedining I would just.
I would much rather do liketapas style and sit over a few
hours with glasses of wineversus a gourmet dinner being
all stuffy.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
All right.
So are we sticking with what weknow, or are we trying local
cuisine?
What is what would be your?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
choice.
You know that I don't branchout.
I know, no, I'm good, that's agoal I am going to.
I am trying to branch out morein 2025.
That is a goal I'm.
I am and I'm trying things thatI haven't before at.
I just did it at a restaurantthe other day.
I ordered something that Iwould not have normally ordered
(36:14):
and I enjoyed it and it was okay.
But so many times I've not, andI am a creature of habit, I
will say that but, um, I'mtrying to branch out more in
2025.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I want to try the local cuisine so much more over
something.
I know, however, since I've hadmy gallbladder out, that that's
risky.
Oh, you got something else yougot to factor in?
I do, but I will just prepare,especially if I'm going some a
location that is known for theirfood.
I want to be.
I will prep for that because Iwant to be able to try all those
(36:47):
street food, the mom and popplaces.
I want to go where the localsare going.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Now, that makes sense , and that makes a lot of sense
because they know where the goodplaces are in that area.
Well, so we got food covered.
How about drinks, like are youmore like coffee, more cocktail?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It depends, because I will choose coffee 90% of the
time unless we're drinking, youknow.
But cause?
I will say that I do not likecoffee and alcohol together.
I've not found a coffeealcoholic coffee drink I like,
but I will drink coffee all day,even as I remember when we were
on the cruise you were going tobring that up.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
You were like I need good coffee.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, it was hard to find good coffee on that cruise.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And so, yeah, you were definitely like we'd wake
up in the morning and you'relike I need good coffee, Denise,
and I'm like, okay, I need amimosa, Cheryl, let's get us
both what we need, and we founda great place that offered both.
I got my coffee and then thatwas our jam Once we found your
good coffee place and my mimosaplace.
Where do we go Every morning?
(37:50):
Yeah, Went to that place.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I know there are some times where I will have a
mimosa.
Let's be real, it's not amimosa, it's a Prosecco, because
I don't want all the juice andthe acidic.
I maybe a splash of cranberry,just like you say, for color.
I learned that from you.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Other than that, it's just and cranberry is healthy
for your digestive system.
So to me it's I I call it ablush champagne and uh or mimosa
, and it's Prosecco or thesplash of cranberry, and it's a
little bit healthier.
It gives it good color.
I mean, I think it's just youguys should try it, it'll make
(38:29):
you feel better on a cruise.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, all right, let's talk about tech and travel,
because that is interesting,where we started out with all
the things and then where we arenow with the tech Paper maps
versus Google Maps, I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I listen, you're making me feel old Like I.
I was never really a paper mapperson, like where I came from
back in my day like the cryptkeeper, but I prefer I.
(39:06):
I have problems with bothbecause I am not very
navigationally.
Um, I am navigationallychallenged, meaning like I'm not
good with directions and Icould be using GPS on my phone
because who knows what the fuck.
500 yards, you know.
Am I turning on this?
Yes, tell me, am I turning onthis street or is it the next
(39:29):
street up?
Get, throw me a fucking bone.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I don't know, I don't knowwhat 500 yards is I?
If I did, I wouldn't even needyour fucking app in the first
place.
But I have more.
I have more hopes to getting tomy destination with google maps
than regular maps, becauseregular paper maps?
I mean, you have any paper maps?
(39:50):
No, but I have.
In my life I've looked at papermaps, but do I own them?
No, what about you?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I do have like I have North Carolina maps.
Um, I used to know because Itraveled a lot before we had
phones and everything.
I mean you're so.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Crypt Keeper old too.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yes, I am, and I had to drive.
I used to drive before we had.
I print out MapQuest.
Let's throw that one back.
I have some MapQuest directionsand because I travel a lot by
myself or with my kids, I wouldalways take the post-it note,
write the next step and put iton my rear view mirror.
And as I reached that step Ipulled it off.
(40:32):
But since I stopped using mapsactual paper maps and I
absolutely 100% rely on GoogleMaps that is my jam.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I know, but we're so reliant on it.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But what if the battery dies, then what?
Well, not only that, I think,since I've been doing the
digital mapping, my skill hasreally taken a nosedive.
I don't pay attention, and Idon't mean, I'm not paying
attention Like no, I knowexactly what you're saying,
because when we were kids howmany phone numbers that were?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
what 10 digits Did we have to remember in our brain
my mom's number's number, mygrandma's number, my best
friend's number, like weremembered all flashy back, let
me remind you we used to nothave to remember area codes.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
remember that it was only seven digits.
It was right, you didn't haveto remember the area code.
That wasn't always somethingyou had to dial or for me it
wasn't because we lived, I guess, further out in the country,
but I remember when it became athing like you had to start
dialing the area code, and thatwas a whole other thing.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And then I'm just saying our children have no idea
what, probably what theirnumber is, let alone our number,
or they're like it's all justin the phone, that's all they
know.
Scroll through the phone, findwhat you need, but it's not.
It's not.
We live in, we're so fucked.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I know, all right, we're at like a little over time
, so let's do this.
Next, the last few parts andrapid fire.
Okay, okay.
Let's's try it, we've actuallytried rapid fire before and it
doesn't go well, because wealways want to give an
explanation, because we like tochit chat, but we're on time for
our timing.
Let's do this real quick.
Okay, when you're traveling,are you doing a digital detox or
(42:19):
staying connected whiletraveling?
I'm staying connected.
Same, I'm staying connected.
I don't need to digital detox.
All right, selfies, selfies orasking strangers for photos.
I'm all about a selfie.
I used to be like alwayswanting to ask someone for the
photo, but now I prefer.
I feel awkward, so I willprefer to do the selfie and I
don't like it.
(42:39):
It makes me uncomfortable whenpeople ask do you want me to
take that for you?
If people will.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
If people come to me and ask, I be like, absolutely,
but you've, you've heard thehorror stories where they just
run away with your phone and Idon't know what I would do if I
don't have my phone.
So that's that.
Honestly, what factors intowhether I let a stranger hold.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
My phone is my wallet .
Like I know that's goteverything my life on it.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
So when somebody offers to take my phone to take
a picture, I I'm like you knowwhat we need to do when we
travel.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Have the stretchable lanyard.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
That might seem a little awkward.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
They might not offer her at that point, that's all
right, though.
All right, let's move on.
Are you checking your emails onvacation?
Are you completely logging off?
I'm checking my emails.
I'm checking my emails.
We kind of have to, thoughWindow seat versus aisle seat.
Windows, all aisle.
This is why we are such greattravel Cause I don't.
I want the aisle.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I want to be able to look out and see where I'm
leaving from, see where I'mgoing to.
I like to look at the fluffyclouds.
I like, I like to just look,it's I listen.
I used to work in thecartography lab at university in
North Carolina, so I'm allabout some maps and some
topography and I just I like it.
(43:52):
I like to look out and see whatdifferent types of land I'm
flying over.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I'm choosing window seat because I want the illusion
of being able to escape.
I don't like feeling trappedNow.
There's nowhere to escape onthis plane, but I like the
illusion that I'm not trapped inthe middle I thought you said
your aisle I said aisle okay, soyou like the illusion of the
window seat, but is I?
Thought oh, I'm sorry, I likethe illusion of the aisle seat.
Did I say that incorrectly?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
yeah, that's why I was confused.
You said I like the illusion ofa window seat.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Oh, no, no, no, no I like yeah, okay, let me, I'm
just making sure, because youknow, clarifying maybe what I
was, I don't know what I want.
The aisle seat 100 okay, likethe illusion of not being
trapped, of being able to escapein the aisle seat, okay that's
what I was like for a pottybreak.
If you need to go pee, you needto get out and not have that too
(44:46):
, like I don't want to feel,like I have to, you know,
inconvenience others.
I don't like to feel trapped.
I do not like the middle or thewindow.
Now, one of the things you okay, we need to not go on our
tangent.
We suck at the whole this orthat, or rapid fire where it's
quick answer, because we alwayswant to elaborate.
So let's move on.
I want aisle.
You want window check.
(45:06):
Are you reclining your airplaneseat or are you staying upright
?
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I just stay.
I like I, you know me, you'veslept with me.
I like I just stay in my area,stay in my lane, Don't cause any
ruckus, I don't, I don'trecline, I just stay there and I
read my naughty book and I'mjust like there for the ride and
I try not to cause any kind offootprint.
(45:32):
I take my trash with me, that's.
I'm just moving on.
I'm just there for a fractionof the moment to get from point
A to point B.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yes, I am.
I want to recline my seat, butI don't want to inconvenience
others, so I usually stay upstraight.
Now, if it's a long flight Imight have to, just for comfort,
like whatever, but I would.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I do.
I sacrifice my comfort to juststay in my lane and just be.
I don't want to inconvenienceothers.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I do too.
Just stay in my lane.
All right, I know the answer tothis for you, but was on the
list wearing pajamas to theairport why do people think it's
okay to wear pajamas everywherelike I?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I'm trying not to judge you, but I'm kind of
fucking judging you because Iknow, I know it's not
comfortable to be on a plane.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
That's what leggings are for, though, like you can,
can still wear comfy clothes.
Yeah, I'm look, I'm with you.
I know you're.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
I'm never catching you.
Pajamas or pajamas.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
You don't even go down to breakfast at the hotel?
I will not.
I will say you've gotten betterbecause you'll wear, like your,
your sleep leggings and yourt-shirt, but you always put your
sparkly sweater on over it thatyou have.
Whatever one you have thatyou're wearing for, like keeping
warm, right, but you don't.
100 change now since you'vebeen traveling with me because
I'm not wearing pajamas?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
because because mine are like fleece line leggings,
yeah, like honey love tops, andit's like stuff that you could
work out in it doesn't look likeeven that you don't prefer, you
still will.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
No, I would still prefer to.
I'm literally going down now.
I won't wear my pajama pants tothe airport, unless I ever read
I.
Maybe I haven't really donethat, but I'm wearing leggings
and comfy clothes.
The only time I'm dressing upis when we have to go straight
from the airport to an event.
Then I'm wearing somethingthat's business casual usually.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely something that's
business casual usually, yeah,yeah, yeah, I'm definitely.
I can't do the pajamas thing.
I just I just can't.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
All right, let's do one more, because we are way we
don't do well at being quick,rapid fire this or that.
We want to chat All rightoverpacking snacks or relying on
airport food.
Well, I don't pack snacks, Iknow, and that I don't pack
snacks, I know, and that I don'tunderstand that.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I'm always packing snacks.
I don't Well, but I don't orderstuff at the airport either, so
I guess I just don't eat.
I'm going to rely on yoursnacks.
I hope that we go together.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
I am always taking snacks and if there's something
really good at the airport, I'mprobably grabbing something
there, depending on what mytransition is, if I'm getting
there in the morning or justlike a quick thing.
But yeah, I'm usually probablyI don't really I don't feel like
I spend like We've got thecharcuterie.
Did we get the charcuterieboard on the airplane?
It's not a charcuterie board, itwas like a lunchable for adults
(48:22):
, but I think we bought it thatone time on the airplane, it was
at the airport, it wassomewhere.
While we, I know, with thechampagne, did we not get that
combo?
Speaker 1 (48:34):
no, we just got the champagne.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh, got you okay, but that was fun.
Remember, we take time becausewe are so over time right now.
We get on so many damn tangents.
Save that for another episode.
All right, you guys want tohear what she's gonna say.
You gotta come back next week.
We'll probably forget what itwas but we had.
This was a lot of fun, becauseI like to learn.
You know our differences aswell as what we want to hear.
(48:59):
What you guys do, um, yeah,everybody's travel style is so
different, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
So interject, intervene, give.
We want to hear what yourcomments.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, Interact with us guys.
We need to know you'relistening.
That's right.
We want to we're just havingfun talking with ourselves.
We'll keep going, but we'd liketo participate.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Okay, we wanted to and we are invested in you.
We want to hear your travelstyle and that might help us
like, if you give us some input.
We are travel agents that mighthelp us help somebody else
because of your input, so we'rehere for you to help others all
right have a great day, guys,you.
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