Switch: The Psychology of Personal and Organisational Change

In Switch, Chip and Dan Heath reveal why change is so difficult, and what to do about it. This episode breaks down their powerful model: Direct the Rider (logic), motivate the Elephant (emotion), and shape the Path (environment).

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to The Deep Dive, the show where we take a stack of
compelling insights and well, weunpack them for you, our amazing
listener. That's right.
Today, we're plunging into the fascinating world of human
behavior change and why some things feel impossibly hard to
shift while others just seem to happen almost effortlessly.

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And to kick things off, believe it or not, we're going to talk
about popcorn. Popcorn.
OK, I'm intrigued. Seems simple enough.
It does, right? But as the authors of the book
we're deep diving into today illustrate, it reveals something
truly profound about how we approach change.
OK, so the book opens with this scenario.
Researchers at a movie theater are handing out these enormous

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buckets of popcorn to moviegoers.
And we're talking massive buckets.
Oh yeah, huge. Some just big, others even
bigger. So large that you know no one
could possibly finish them during the.
Right, that makes sense. Too much.
So the real question these clever researchers were asking
wasn't would people finish theirpopcorn?
Because, like you said, they knew that was a definite no.
OK, So what was the question then?

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It was would people with a larger, inexhaustible supply eat
more than someone with a smaller, equally inexhaustible
supply? OK, so they measured?
It meticulously weighed the buckets before and after, got a
precise measurement. And the answer was don't leave
me hanging. The answer was a resounding

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well, let's just say it challenged a lot of assumptions.
How so? Well, if you just saw the data
right without knowing about the bucket sizes, you'd likely jump
to a very intuitive conclusion, but a very wrong one.
OK, like what? You'd observe some people eating
a little, some a lot, and some, as the book amusingly puts it,
seeming to attempt to test the physical limits of the human

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stomach. Been there.
Haven't we all? Your immediate thought would be
some people are reasonable snackers and and others are big
gluttons. Right, that makes perfect sense.
It's about the person. That's the default.
A public health expert might even suggest.
We need to educate these gluttons about healthier
snacking behaviors. Let's show them the health
hazards. Blame the individual.

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And here's where it gets really interesting, because that's the
default conclusion we as humans tend to jump to It's a person
problem. Exactly.
We assume it's about willpower, about discipline, maybe even
character flaws. But the deeper, surprising truth
the authors uncover is that the environment, specifically the

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size of that popcorn bucket, played a much more significant
role than individual willpower or some inherent gluttony.
Whoa, so the bucket made them eat more?
Significantly more people with the bigger buckets ate way more,
even if the popcorn wasn't that great.
That popcorn study isn't just about snacks, then.
It's kind of a gut punch to our deeply ingrained belief that

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change is purely A willpower battle.
Totally. If even our most primal urges
are this easily swayed by something as simple as a bucket,
what does that fundamentally shift about how we approach any
personal or organizational change?
It changes everything. OK, let's unpack this, because
what looks like a simple people problem often isn't.
Precisely, it reframes the very idea of resistance from being

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some kind of character flawk. Right.
Like they're just stubborn. To being more like a design flaw
in the situation. That's the real insight here.
It's rarely about bad people, but almost always about bad
situations or maybe unclear directions.
Which really challenges that common misconception that people
resist change. The authors really push back

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hard on that idea. They do, and think about it.
Babies are born every single day, and parents inexplicably
welcome that change. Good point, Massive change.
Would anyone agree to work for aboss who wakes you up twice a
night screaming for trivial administrative duties and then
spits up on your new clubs? Absolutely not.

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Yet people volunteer for that massive change without a second
thought. That's a great point.
Or consider marriages, buying a new home, embracing new
technologies, taking on entirelynew job duties.
These are huge shifts we actively seek out.
Sometimes we welcome them with open arms.
Exactly. Yet on the flip side, you've got
these maddeningly intractable behaviors, like smokers who just

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can't seem to quit. Or, as the book amusingly points
out, the seemingly impossible task of getting a husband to put
his dirty shirts inside the hamper, not next to it inside.
Oh, the eternal struggle. It's a fascinating paradox,
isn't it? How we embrace monumental life
changes but struggle with what appeared to be simple shifts in

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habits. It truly is a compelling puzzle,
and this brings us to the core idea from the authors.
Chip is Dan. He's our minds are split into
two systems. Right, and they use a brilliant
metaphor to illustrate this internal dynamic.
The irrational writer and the emotional elephant.
The writer and the elephant. This metaphor immediately clicks
for me. So the writer.

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That's our conscious analytical part, right?
The planner. Exactly.
It's the planner, the one who can first see consequences.
The director. It sets the course, tries to
think long term. It's the logical bit of us.
OK, capable of careful analysis,strategizing.
Envisioning the future, it holdsthe reins and can theoretically
direct where we go. But then you have the elephant.
Yes, the elephant. This is our emotional,

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instinctual side. It's much larger, much more
powerful than the rider, and it provides the sheer brute force,
the energy, the motivation for action.
Think of it as our instincts, our gut feelings, our desires.
And here's the rub, right? The fundamental tension.
Exactly when the writer and elephant disagree, or when the
elephant is just plain unmotivated, change becomes

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incredibly difficult, almost impossible sometimes.
The writer can try to tug the reins, try to steer the elephant
with pure willpower. But the book makes a critical .1
that we often overlook. Willpower is an exhaustible
resource. It's not infinite.
No, it's like a muscle that getstired with overuse.
OK, that makes sense. A muscle.

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It's absolutely like a muscle. To illustrate this, the authors
share the food reception study. Oh, is this the cookie one?
That's the one students were told not to eat for three hours,
then brought into a lab filled with the intoxicating aroma of
warm, fresh baked chocolate chipcookies.
Pure torture. Totally On a table there were
two bowls, 1 brimming with thosetempting cookies and chocolates,

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the other with plain radishes. Radishes.
Wow. One group of students was
specifically asked to resist thetempting treats and eat only
radishes. The other group had no such
restriction. They could eat whatever they
please. No, the poor radish eaters.
My writer would be screaming forthose cookies, but my elephant
would be throwing an absolute tantrum, probably trying to

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knock over the radish bowl. It's a brutal setup.
It certainly is. Now.
After this food perception task,both groups were then given a
series of geometric puzzles. OK, but unbeknownst to them, the
puzzles were actually designed to be unsolvable.
A trick. So they were measuring
persistence. Exactly.
Exactly. Observing how long each group

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would persist before giving up. The untempted students who
hadn't had to resist the cookiesspent a solid 19 minutes on the
task, making 34 attempts on average. 19 minutes.
OK, but the radish eaters, they were less persistent, right?
They'd already used up their willpower reserves just
resisting those cookies. Significantly less.
They gave up after only 8 minutes, less than half the time

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of the untempted group, and onlymanaged 19 attempts.
Wow, 8 minutes versus. That's a huge difference.
Huge. This stark difference
unequivocally demonstrated that self-control, that precious
willpower, is draining. It's not just about resisting
food, either. Right, it applies more broadly.
Think about supervised behaviors, things that require

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conscious effort and self regulation, like trying to focus
on simple instructions such as don't think of a white bear.
Oh, that's impossible. Now I'm thinking of a white
bear. Exactly.
Those things are draining. And contrast that with automatic
behaviors which are effortless. They don't deplete your rider's
self-control. Like driving home and not
remembering the last few miles because you're on autopilot.

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Totally. Or the unthinking way you take a
shower or make your morning coffee.
Those are automatic. They don't cost you willpower.
But as the book points out, evenmaking tricky choices like like
setting up a wedding registry orordering a new computer with
endless customizable options, all those decisions deplete
yourself control. It's fascinating how much mental

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energy even seemingly simple choices can consume.
Decision fatigue is real. It truly is.
One study mentioned that participants spent only 12
minutes on a simulated wedding registry and it was enough to
SAP their self-control. 12 minutes.
Wow, makes you wonder how some real brides survive.
Doesn't it O The authors summarize this beautifully,

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proposing a three-part frameworkfor successful change, whether
it's personal, organizational, or societal.
OK, what's the framework? First, you need to direct the
writer by providing clarity and a clear destination.
Makes sense. Give the planner a map.
Second, you must motivate the elephant by finding the feeling
and sparking its emotional energy.
Give the emotional core on board.

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And third, you need to shape thepath by tweaking the environment
and making the desired actions easier.
Writer elephant path. OK, I like it.
That's the journey we'll embark on today in this deep dive.
Fantastic. Let's jump right into that first
pillar, then direct the writer. The book argues that often what
seems like pure resistance to change is simply a lack of

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crystal clear direction for thatrational thinking writer.
Yeah, exactly. Our logical side desperately
needs a precise map, not just a vague idea of the destination.
If the writer doesn't know whereto go or what the first step is,
it simply won't move. It freezes.
That's a crucial insight. When the rider is uncertain

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about where to go or what exactly to do, it can freeze up.
Leads to what looks like stubbornness.
But it's really just confusion or indecision.
Or what we often call analysis paralysis.
The clarity required needs to beincredibly precise, almost like
a step by step instruction manual for change.
So how do we provide that clarity?
What's the first strategy? The first strategy for directing

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the writer, which I find incredibly powerful, is finding
the bright spots. Bright spots.
OK, tell me more. This is so counterintuitive for
most of us because our brains are kind of hard wired to spot
problems, right? To look for what's broken,
identify deficits. Yeah, we're problem solvers by
nature. But this approach flips that
completely on its head. Instead, you intentionally look

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for bright spots, those instances where the desired
outcome is already happening, even if on a small scale.
So look for success, even tiny successes.
Exactly. And then the goal is to figure
out what's working in those bright spots and clone it,
replicate it. That's a radical shift from what
the book calls archaeology. Right.
Endlessly digging into what's wrong and trying to diagnose

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failures, which can be frankly depressing and demotivating.
So instead of digging in the ruins, you look for the the
green shoots. Perfectly put, A brilliant
example of this in action is thestory of Jerry Sternan in
Vietnam. He was tasked with tackling
widespread child malnutrition. The problem was enormous,
daunting, seemed utterly intractable given the limited

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resources. Absolutely.
You'd expect him to come in witha massive complex plan, maybe
importing aid, building new infrastructure.
Launching large scale education campaigns, the usual stuff.
But Sternan took a completely different approach.
Totally different. Instead of diagnosing the
failure of the malnourished children, he looked for the
bright spots. So he looked for kids who are
healthy in the same villages. Exactly.

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He sought out families in the same poor villages whose
children were well nourished. He looked for success within the
existing constraints. Didn't assume he had all the
answers. And what did he find?
Were they richer? Did they have more food?
That's what you think, right? But no, what he found was
astonishing. These Bright Spot families
weren't richer. They didn't have more food, nor

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did they have access to special medical care.
So what was their secret? Surprisingly simple.
An entirely local, they fed their children four small meals
a day instead of two large ones.Oh, interesting.
Why did that matter? It was far better for malnour's
stomachs that struggle to process large quantities of food
at once made perfect sense physiologically.
OK. And anything else.

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Yes, crucially, they added local, accessible foods like
sweet potato, greens, shrimp andcrabs, ingredients readily
available in the village that other families simply weren't
utilizing for their children's nutrition.
Maybe they thought it wasn't kidfood.
Wow, that's the genius of it, isn't it?
The solution was native to the village already present, just

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not universally adopted. Exactly, and Stern and didn't
just tell the other families what to do.
He knew, as the authors emphasize, that knowledge does
not change behavior on its own. You can't just lecture people.
Right knowing isn't doing. So instead, he arranged for 50
malnourished families in groups of 10 to meet daily and prepare

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meals together, specifically using these Bright Spot
practices. So they learned by doing.
He had them act their way into anew way of thinking.
They experienced the positive outcomes directly, saw their
kids eating the Greens, felt thecommunity support.
And the impact? Profound.
Almost unbelievable. Six months later, 65% of the

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kids were better nourished. 65%,that's huge.
And even more incredibly, years later, researchers found that
the changes stuck, even benefiting children who hadn't
even been born when Sternan leftVietnam.
That's incredible, sustainable change.
It demonstrates how focusing on what's working and helping
people replicate it through action is far more effective

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than trying to endlessly fix what's broken.
So become a Bright Spot evangelist.
That's the term the book uses. Ask not what's wrong, but what's
working right now and how can wedo more of it?
It's like finding a small, thriving garden in the middle of
the desert and then figuring outhow to make that garden spread,
rather than constantly analyzingwhy the desert is dry.

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Beautiful analogy. Another great example the book
shares is Genentech's miracle drug Excelare.
Right for asthma. Designed to prevent asthma
attacks. A truly life changing
medication, yet sales were way way below expectations.
So they looked for bright spots.They did applied this bright
spot thinking and found two saleswomen in Dallas Fort Worth

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who were selling 20 times more than their peers 20 times.
Whoa. OK, what was their secret?
Were they just amazing salespeople?
Well, yes, but their secret wasn't about selling the medical
benefits. Doctors already understood the
science and efficacy. The writers were already
convinced. OK, so it wasn't a writer
problem. What was it?
It was about teaching doctors how to administer the

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intravenous drug. Exhaler wasn't a pill or an
inhaler. It required an infusion.
An IV that's different for an allergist's office, maybe?
Exactly. It was unfamiliar and, as the
book puts it, elephant spooking.For many allergists and
pediatricians who weren't accustomed to administering IV
drugs in their offices, it felt like a hassle, maybe a bit

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scary. So these Bright spot saleswomen
weren't just selling. They were training, supporting.
They were actually shaping the path for the doctors, addressing
A subtle fear or hesitation thatwas holding back the elephant
from embracing the new protocol,making it easy for them to adopt
it. That makes so much sense.
It wasn't about logic, it was about the practical hurdles and

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the feeling. Precisely.
And it's not just big companies or global health initiatives.
The book mentions an HR manager struggling to get her team
managers to give in the moment feedback to their employees.
A classic management challenge. She was getting mixed results,
but she noticed 2 managers who were genuinely transformed and
were giving consistent, effective feedback.
The bright spots. There they are.

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So the action plan wasn't another generic training session
on feedback, nor was it obsessing over the skeptics, was
it? It was to investigate those two
managers, what's working for them and how can we do more of
it across the team. Simple, almost deceptively so,
but profoundly powerful. Focus on what works.
Clone it. Which leads us beautifully to
the second strategy for directing the writer script, the

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critical moves. OK, script the moves.
Once you've identified what's working or precisely where you
want to go, you need to translate those aspirations into
specific, unambiguous actions. No more vague stuff.
No more vague exhortations like be healthier or be more
creative. The writer needs concrete
instructions. It needs to know exactly what to

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do. That makes perfect sense.
It's like telling someone go to the store and buy groceries.
That's not a critical move. It leaves too much room for
interpretation. Decision fatigue.
Right. What groceries?
Which store? When?
A critical move is buy 1% milk specific actionable.
And the book has a fantastic example of this in action, the
1% Milk campaign. Yes, I remember reading about

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this. It's a perfect illustration of
directing the writer with minimal effort for maximum
impact. Americans were drinking too much
whole milk. Which is high in saturated fat.
Surprisingly, it was the single largest source of saturated fat
in the typical American diet at the time.
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that.
Calculations showed that if Americans simply switched from
whole milk to skim or 1% milk, the average diet would

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immediately meet USDA saturated fat recommendations without any
other dietary changes. Just that one change.
Just that one. So how do you get millions of
Americans to make that switch? Seems daunting.
The solution was incredibly clear, almost deceptively
simple. Buy 1% milk.
That was the message. That was the core message.

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They didn't need to change theirdrinking behavior.
People will generally drink whatever type of milk is in
their fridge. Right.
You just pro what's there. They needed to change their
purchasing behavior at the grocery store.
The moment of decision. That single specific critical
move immediately achieved the goal without asking people to
fundamentally rethink their habits around milk consumption.

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The genius was in the precision of the instruction script, the
critical move. It's a prime example of how
clarity for the writer can be revolutionary.
Another excellent case is Don Berwick 100,000 Lives Campaign.
Oh yeah, the hospital safety initiative.
He wanted to dramatically improve hospital safety and
reduce preventable deaths, but he had no real authority, just

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75 employees in his organization, the IH High.
So how do you tackle such a massive, nebulous goal like
improve hospital safety? That's a huge, overwhelming
target, yeah. How do you direct a writer or
thousands of writers in hospitals across the country
with that kind of ambiguity? Berwick made it crystal clear.
On December 14th, 2004, he stoodbefore hospital administrators

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and said here's what I think we should do.
I think we should save 100,000 lives.
A big number. And I think we should do that by
June 14th, 2006 9:00 AM. Specific date and time.
He famously declared some is nota number soon is not a time
that's directing the writer witha vengeance clarity.
Wow. But a big goal like that could
still feel overwhelming. Do you break it down?

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Absolutely. He knew he couldn't just say try
harder or be safer, so he proposed 6 specific known life
saving interventions that hospitals could implement
immediately. Like the checklist for central
lines. Exactly or elevating the heads
of patients on ventilators to prevent pneumonia.
Concrete create actionable things.

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So not 1000 changes, just six critical moves.
By staying laser focused on these critical, actionable
moves, Berwick made sure not to exhaust the writers of his
audience. He directed them precisely, but
he didn't overwhelm them. And the results were phenomenal,
right? They were.
He catalyzed a change that actually saved an estimated
122,000 lives across the country, all without having any

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direct power to force hospitals to comply.
Just shows the power of a clear scripted path that targets
specific actions. We also see this in the story of
the minor County High school students.
Remember that one? Vaguely remind me.
It's a rural community facing decline, complex issues.
The students did an investigation and found that
half their community's residentswere shopping outside the
county, leaking money. Right, that's a complex multi

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faceted problem usually requiring complex economic
solutions. Seems tough for high schoolers
to tackle. Indeed, but the students didn't
try to solve the entire economicdecline of the county, which
would have been paralyzing for their writers.
So what was their critical move?They focused on one critical,
actionable insight. The money leaving the county

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they're rallying cry became incredibly specific.
Let's keep minor dollars in minor county.
Simple, direct local. This single local action,
something within their direct control, led to an astonishing
$15.6 million increase in local spending over a few years, more
than twice what they expected. Wow, just by focusing the

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community on that one thing. It underscores the power of a
narrow concrete target scriptingthe critical move.
It's incredible how a small, specific action, clearly
articulated, can snowball into massive change.
It's like creating a destinationpostcard, A vivid, inspiring
picture of the future that the writer can immediately grasp.
That's a great way to put it. And that brings us to the third

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strategy for directing the writer point to the destination.
Yes. A clear, vivid vision of the
future isn't just about logic. It's about creating a compelling
image. It starts to engage the elephant
too, motivating and directing both at the same time.
So the writer needs to know not just the next step, but why
they're taking it and what the end goal looks like the big

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picture. Precisely like Crystal Jones, a
first grade teacher mentioned inthe book, she faced a classroom
with students at vastly different skill levels.
Yeah, that's common. Some kids are way ahead, some
are behind. Right.
Some couldn't even hold a pencilproperly, while others could
already recognize kindergarten sight words.
How do you set a goal for that group?
Good question. What was her destination

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postcard for them? Simple, relatable and
aspirational. You'll be third grader soon.
That's clever, very visual for asix year old.
It's a gut smacking emotional goal for a first grader, isn't
it? It's not just a cognitive
target. It taps into their aspirations,
their sense of progress, their future identity.
It makes the daily grind of learning phonics feel

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purposeful. Contrast this with typical SMART
goals. Specific, measurable,
actionable, relevant, timely. Which are useful, right?
But, the book points out, they often lack that emotional
resonance needed for big, transformative change.
Yeah, it's hard to get genuinelyexcited about a 15% return on
equity, as the book humorously notes.

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Unless you're an accountant, perhaps?
Sure. Maybe the problem is that SMART
goals often presume the emotion.They don't generate it.
They're excellent for tracking progress toward an already
desired goal. But less effective at creating
the desire in the 1st place. They appeal mainly to the
writer. The book uses BP's oil
exploration numbers game as a cautionary tale.

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Here how focusing too much on statistical odds can create a
false sense of comfort. Right where the writer gets
stuck in abstract logic. Their explorers would
rationalize If we drill ten of these, one in 10 wells, we'll
hit at least one and make a lot of money.
Statistically sound maybe. But reality doesn't always
follow statistics neatly. Exactly.

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As a leader at BP pointed out, something that is one in 10 in
theory often never works in practice.
This over reliance on statistical clarity created a
dangerous complacency. The rider, thinking it was just
a numbers game, could easily rationalize dry holes.
Allowing the elephant the sort of organizational momentum to
simply keep going without truly questioning the underlying

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strategy or feeling the sting offailure enough to change course.
It highlights how an over reliance on cold numbers without
a compelling visceral vision canlead the rider and therefore the
organization astray. But when you point to the
Destiny Nation with clarity and aspiration, it's incredibly
powerful. Think of Shearson's I or Die.

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OK, what was that? Their goal wasn't just to
increase sales by X percent, it was to crack the institutional
investor top five analyst rankings.
Very specific prestigious goal. Exactly.
That was a clear aspirational goal.
Everyone in the department understood it, It resonated with
their professional pride, and they collectively aspired to it.

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It was a badge of honor. So it combined clarity with that
emotional drive. Combined with scripting critical
moves like making 125 client calls a week and citing
colleagues work to reinforce expertise, this created a
powerful shared aspiration. And did it work?
Within 18 months, 95% of a groupof newly minted analysts broke
onto the individual I I analyst rankings for their industry.

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The direction set by their leader, Rifkin, by painting that
vivid destination postcard prepared the department for a
contrarian bet that ultimately cemented Shearson's reputation.
Wow. So clarity for the writer is
absolutely crucial. Find what's already working
bright spots, specify the next key actions scrit moves and

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paint a compelling aspirational picture of the future.
Point to destination. You got it.
That's how you direct the writer.
But that alone often isn't enough.
Which brings us to the next big pillar, Motivate the elephant.
Yes, because the rider might know exactly what to do.
It might have the perfect map. But if the elephant isn't
motivated, if it doesn't feel like doing it.
Change just won't last. It fizzles out.

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Logic alone rarely changes behavior, especially long term.
This is where the So what's truly comes in.
We can have all the data in the world, the perfectly scripted
moves the clearest destination, but if it.
Doesn't move us emotionally if it doesn't resonate with our
gut. It's just information.
It stays intellectual. The elephant needs to be on
board and that means means finding the feeling, sparking

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the emotional engine. And that leads to our first
strategy here. Find the feeling.
OK, find the feeling. The book emphasizes the sea
feel, change philosophy. Analysis often leads to
paralysis, but seeing something that hits you differently.
You need to make people feel something, to spark that
motivation, that raw energy fromthe elephant.
And my absolute favorite examplefrom the book for this is John

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Stegner and his legendary glove shrine.
Oh. The Glove Shrine This story is
fantastic. Tell us about.
It it's a truly brilliant, almost theatrical move.
Stegner was trying to convince his company, a massive
corporation, to centralized purchasing.
He knew this would save a huge amount of money.
Standard corporate efficiency Dr. seems logical.

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Logical, yes. But he also knew that just
presenting spreadsheets and logical arguments to the writer
wouldn't work. His colleagues were analytical,
smart people. But they weren't emotionally
invested. Exactly.
They weren't feeling the pain ofthe current system.
It was abstract, so he had an intern investigate a single
mundane item. Work gloves.

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Gloves OK. He discovered the company was
paying wildly different prices for the exact same gloves across
different factories, some paying$5, others are ridiculous $17.00
for the identical product. Just pure inefficiency. $17.00
for a $5 glove. Ouch.
Right, so instead of a dry PowerPoint presentation with

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charts and graphs showing savings potential.
Which would put the elephant to sleep.
Totally. Stegner brought 424 different
kinds of work gloves, all the various types the company was
buying, and literally dumped them onto a boardroom table
tagged with their different prices.
He made a physical, undeniable display of the absurdity.
He created the Glove shrine. The emotional impact was

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instantaneous and visceral. His colleagues walked into the
room, saw this mountain of gloves, the sheer absurdity, the
visible waste. It hit them like a ton of
bricks. They saw the problem.
Their reaction wasn't analytical, it was emotional.
This is crazy. We're crazy.
That was the jolt feeling. They didn't need more data.
They needed to feel the problem in their gut.

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Their elephants got fired up to move.
Exactly. The book makes a great analogy.
Fighting inertia with analyticalarguments alone is like tossing
a fire extinguisher to someone who's drowning.
That's perfect. The solution doesn't match the
problem. The problem is emotional, not
just logical. That's such a perfect image.
It really hammers home that knowing isn't enough to drive

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change. You need that feeling.
Another powerful example of finding the feeling is the
remission chemotherapy video game.
Yes, for teen cancer patients. Right.
They often have terrible adherence to their medication.
Not because they don't understand why they need it.
The rider gets it. But because of a deep emotional
resistance, the elephant is digging in its heels.

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Yeah, the teens associated medication with being the sick
kid and just wanted to get back to being the original me, not
constantly reminded of their illness by pills and treatments.
That makes sense. The medicine feels like a symbol
of everything they hate about being sick.
So the solution was brilliant inits reframing.
Yeah, a video game where playersare nanobots fighting cancer

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inside a human body. OK, cool.
And they fuel their ray guns with chemotherapy.
Get out. That's genius.
I absolutely love that it transforms the medicine from a
symbol of sickness into a symbolof power.
Medicine isn't a reminder of your illness.
It's how you get power, how you fight back.
How you steal your life back from the disease.

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The game completely reframed theemotional connection, making
chemotherapy feel proactive and empowering.
And it worked, didn't it? Big time.
It increased adherence by 20%, which for these patients
literally doubled their survivalodds.
Wow. Doubled survival odds.
That's a profound power of finding the feeling and
reframing the narrative for the elephant.

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Just incredible. Similarly, Robin Waters at
Target trying to get merchants to embrace trend right fashion
more design LED products. Right, moving beyond just basic
beige stuff. She didn't use logical arguments
about market share or demographics, which would bore
the elephant. So what does she do?
She staged lively demos. She brought in products like the
colorful IMAX, trendy Michael Graves designs, even M&M's.

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Yeah, using vivid, appealing examples to get people to, oh,
and, ah, over them, she'd say. See look at your reaction to
color to design. Making them feel the appeal
directly. She wanted them to feel excited,
hopeful, and creatively inspired.
She showed them what was possible, creating a vivid
emotional experience that ignited their elephants.

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It wasn't about abstract trends.It was about tangible, desirable
stuff. See.
Feel change in action. Show, don't just tell.
Which brings us to the next strategy for motivating the
elephant Shrink the change. OK, shrink it down.
This is all about breaking down a daunting challenge into steps
so small, so manageable, that they don't spook the elephant.

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Because the elephant scares easily when a faced with big
scary changes totally. It makes people feel big
relative to the challenge, not overwhelmed by it.
Dread is a monumental demotivator for the elephant.
If a task seems overwhelmingly large, the elephant simply won't
budget. It will opt for inertia.
Procrastination kicks in. The book beautifully illustrates
this with Marla Silly, famously known as the Fly Lady, and her

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five minute room rescue method. The Fly Lady Yes, for tackling
messy houses. This is pure genius for anyone
who's ever felt paralyzed by overwhelming housework instead
of the mounting command to cleanthe whole house.
Which feels like climbing Mount Everest in your PJS.
Exactly. The instruction is deceptively
simple. Set a timer for 5 minutes, go to

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the worst room and just start clearing a small path like just
the coffee table. 5 minutes. That's it.
When the timer buzzes, you can stop with a clear conscience.
The internal question becomes how bad can 5 minutes really be?
It's an incredibly clever elephant trick.
The elephant hates doing things with no immediate payoff or
tasks that feel too large. But 5 minutes?

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Doesn't seem so bad. It's a low activation energy
task. The magic isn't necessarily in
what you accomplish in those 5 minutes, although you might be
surprised. Right, but the key is that it
gets you started. And as the book points out,
starting an unpleasant task is always worse than continuing it.
Once you get started, you often gain momentum, feeling a sense
of accomplishment. And sometimes you just keep
going. Might as well finish this
corner. Exactly.

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It creates A virtuous circle of progress and pride.
It shrinks the change just enough to get the elephant
moving forward. And it really does snowball.
Similarly, Dave Ramsey's debt snowball strategy for tackling
overwhelming debt. Yeah, another great example of
shrinking the change for families like the Farrar's who
the book mentions found themselves with over $100,000 in

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debt. That's a crushing amount.
The problem was not just financial.
It was emotionally overwhelming.It seemed utterly hopeless.
The elephant was paralyzed by dread.
So what's Ramsay's solution? How do you shrink that?
List all debts from smallest to largest, regardless of interest
rate, which is counterintuitive logically.
Right, mathematically you shouldpay the highest interest rate.
First, the writer knows that. But Ramsay's targeting the

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elephant. You suppressively pay off the
smallest debt first while makingonly minimum payments on others.
To get a quick win. Precisely the emotional win of
crossing off a relatively small $185 utility bill provides an
incredibly powerful victory, a tangible sign of progress.
I can see that, that feeling of yes, one down.
It builds psychological momentum, dissipating dread and

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replacing it with hope. It's the same strategy.
Drink the change, create immediate small wins and watch
the elephant. Build motivation.
Feed it success. The book also details Steven
Kellman's remarkably successful procurement reform in the
federal government. Oh yeah, tackling the
bureaucracy. Think of the bureaucratic
inertia, the mind boggling regulations, and the outrageous

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prices for things like mil spec chocolate chip cookies.
That literally required a 20 page document describing their
precise specifications for cookies.
How do you even begin to change that kind of entrenched system?
Seems impossible. Kilman, understanding the need
to shrink the change for these massive government elephants,

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started with tiny pledges. OK, like what?
He didn't ask agencies to overhaul their entire
procurement system overnight. Instead, he asked them to agree
to simple, seemingly trivial changes, like using government
credit cards for small purchasesto cut down on paperwork.
Seems insignificant in the grand.
Scheme exactly, but it was a crucial low stakes start.

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Easy to say yes to. It didn't spook the elephant.
And that's where the snowball effect came.
In Yep, after 8 or 9 agencies joined this small pledge, others
saw their success, Hey, it wasn't so bad and followed suit.
Soon, 20 agencies had taken the past performance pledge,
committing to more efficient processes.
So it built momentum. His initiative was the only one

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among hundreds of government reform efforts to earn an A from
the Brookings Institution for its effectiveness.
He shrunk the change into manageable low risk pledges,
building momentum step by tiny step.
That's amazing. It's also profoundly reflected
in Solution Focused Therapy's Miracle Scale, isn't it?
Absolutely. When a patient's miracle, their

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ultimate overwhelming goal, likeovercoming depression or
anxiety, seems too distant or abstract to motivate the
elephant. It feels impossible.
Therapists ask them to rate their current situation on a
zero 10 scale, where 10 is the miracle.
OK, even if a patient says they're only at A2 two or three,
the therapist responds enthusiastically.
Wow, you're already 20% or 30% of the way there.

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That's fantastic. What did you do to get to it
too? That's so smart.
It immediately provides visible,attainable milestones and shifts
the focus from the huge scary problem to the progress already
made. It shrinks the journey into
manageable steps. As the book notes, good coaches
are masters of shrinking the change, pushing for small,
visible goals. Which reduces the perceived

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importance of the task, reduces the demands on willpower.
And raises perceived skill levels.
Hey, I can do this. It's about taking comfort and
motivation from making real, measurable progress, step by
celebrated step. Small wins fuel the elephant.
Which leads to our third strategy for motivating the
elephant. Grow your people.
OK, this sounds different. Not shrinking, but growing.

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Yes, this is about cultivating identity and instilling a growth
mindset to build people's determination and inner
strength. It's not just about what they
do, but fundamentally about who they are, or more powerfully,
who they believe they can be. So moving beyond just behavior
to identity. Exactly, and the example here is
truly one of my favorites. It's almost mythical.

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Paul Butler and the Saint Lucia Parrot.
The parrot story. This beautiful parrot was
severely endangered, on the brink of extinction, and there
was no clear economic case to save it.
It wasn't like a major tourist draw or anything.
So if it disappeared, most St. Lucians probably wouldn't even
notice. Or at least that was the
conventional wisdom. So how do you get an entire
nation to care enough to act? Butler understood that a

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rational economic argument wouldn't work.
The writer might nod, but the elephant wouldn't care.
So he made an emotional case. Yes, appealing directly to the
islander's sense of identity andpride, he stressed.
This parrot is ours. Nobody has this but us.
We need to cherish it and look after it because it's a unique
part of who we are as St. Lucian.

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'S tapping into national pride identity.
And then he did everything imaginable to embed the parrot
into the national fabric. Puppet shows, songs, T-shirts,
bumper stickers. Parrot costumes in schools.
Ministers, citing Bible verses about stewardship, even parrot
calling cards. He made the parrot visible and
symbolic. Wow, he went all in.
And it worked. Saint Lucian's embraced the

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parrot as a sacred part of theirnational identity.
Poaching starved completely and the population soared from maybe
100 birds to over 500. That's incredible.
It wasn't about shrinking the change.
It was about growing the people,making them swell with pride and
feel determined to protect something uniquely theirs.
It transformed an abstract environmental problem into a

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deeply personal mission tied to their identity.
This beautifully illustrates James March's identity model of
decision making, which is a profound counterpoint to the
consequences model we often default to.
OK. Explain that difference
consequences versus identity. Most organizations incentivize,
penalize, or layout logical prosand cons.

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That's the consequences model. It appeals to the writers.
Cost benefit analysis, right? If you do this, you get a bonus.
If you don't, you get penalized.But March argues that our
deepest motivation often comes from answering Who am I?
What kind of situation is this? What do people like me do in
this situation? So it's about acting
consistently with who you believe you are.
Butler understood that. You can't just give people a

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rational reason to save a parrot.
You have to make them feel like the kind of people who would
save it. That's a fundamental shift in
how we think about motivation. So instead of just influencing
behavior through rewards or punishments, you're cultivating
A deeper sense of self, a core identity that drives behavior
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genuine commitment, it's much more powerful and sustainable.
Another great identity example is a hospital facing high nurse
turnover rates. Always a tough problem in
healthcare. Instead of doing a typical root
cause analysis asking why nursesleft, which is a problem focused
approach. Digging into the negatives.
They use something called Appreciative Inquiry.

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This methodology intentionally shifts focus to what's working
well, asking why nurses stayed and what they valued most about
their work and the profession. So focusing on the positives
like finding the bright spots but for identity.
Exactly, It's about building on existing strengths and positive
experiences rather than just fixing deficits.

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Creates a completely different energy.
And what did they find? Why did nurses stay?
They found that the nurses who stayed were fiercely loyal not
just to the hospital, but to thenobility of the nursing
profession. Their satisfaction was rooted in
this deep sense of professional identity.
Being a nurse meant something important to them.

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Interesting, so was it wasn't just pay or benefits?
Those mattered, but the core driver was identity.
Once administrators realized this, they cultivated that
nursing identity through recognition programs, new
orientation programs stressing the admirable nature of the
work, mentorship, linking experienced and new nurses.
They grew their people by reinforcing who they were and

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who they aspired to be. And it led to a significant
reduction in turnover. Powerful stuff.
And if cultivating a national identity or professional
nobility sounds daunting, the book offers a simpler, classic
study in psychology. Foot in the door technique.
Yes, the Billboard study. How do you get homeowners to
accept an ugly, enormous Dr. Carefully billboard on their
front lawn? Most people would instinctively

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say no, right? It's huge and ugly.
And indeed, in one study, 83% did say no.
But here's the kicker. If two weeks earlier they had
simply agreed to place a tiny Bea Safe Driver sign less than
half the size of a postcard in their window.
A tiny, almost invisible sign. Suddenly, a whopping 76% said

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yes to the huge, ugly billboard.76%, that's wild from 17% to 76%
just from the tiny sign. Even stranger if they had just
signed a petition to keep California beautiful two weeks
prior, something seemingly unrelated, half of them still
said yes to the Billboard. Wow.
So what's going on there? It powerfully demonstrates that

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people are receptive to developing new identities and
that these identities grow from small, seemingly insignificant
beginnings. Agreeing to a tiny sign or a
petition makes you start to see yourself as a concerned citizen
or someone who cares about public safety.
And that paves the way for much bigger commitments later on.
Because you want to act consistently with this new self

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perception, your identity expands, making subsequent
larger actions feel natural. The elephant starts to identify
with the 'cause. That's fascinating.
Small commitments shape identity, which then drives
bigger behaviors. And this ties into Carol Dweck's
groundbreaking work on fixed versus growth mindset.
Right, huge concept in psychology and education.

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A fixed mindset believes abilities are innate and
unchangeable. I'm just not good at math.
Talent is fixed. This leads to avoiding
challenges because failure feelslike proof of inadequacy.
See, I told you I was dumb. Exactly.
But a gross mindset believes abilities are like muscles
developed with practice and effort.

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I can improve at math if I work at it.
This leads to embracing challenges, seeing effort as the
path to mastery, seeking criticism and persistence in the
face of setbacks. Failure is just feedback.
That's a game changer, especially in education and
professional development. The book describes how teaching
students that the brain is like a muscle dramatically improve

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their performance. They were told nobody laughs at
babies and says how dumb they are because they can't talk.
It normalizes the learning process and encourages effort,
makes it OK to struggle. And this growth mindset is often
implicitly rejected in the business world.
As the book points out, we tend to think in terms of planning
and immediate execution, with a little room for a learning or
practice stage in between. Practice is often mistakenly

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viewed as poor execution or failure.
Right. Just get it right the first
time. But to sustain real change,
especially in complex environments, you have to act
more like a coach, embracing thelearning curve.
You have to allow for failure aspart of the process.
Which is why IDO, the renowned product design firm, has a
project mood chart. Oh yeah, what does that show?

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It actually predicts how teams will feel at different phases of
a project. It's AV shaped curve initial
hope than a deep valley of insight.
Sounds ominous. Where the project often feels
like a complete failure, riddledwith problems and setbacks, The
valley of angst and doubt. We've all been in that valley.
Only after persisting through this valley do teams emerge with

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confidence and a successful solution.
So this seemingly pessimistic warning is actually profoundly
optimistic. Exactly because it creates the
expectation of failure, it normalizes the struggle and
prepares teams for the inevitable dips in morale,
encouraging persistence through the valley that tells the
elephant this is normal. Keep going.

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It's a growth mindset applied toa team.
Brilliant. Similarly, Dr. M's Mics
minimally invasive cardiac surgery team tackling a complex
new surgical procedure mistakes very they adopted a learning
frame, scheduled cases back-to-back for intensive
practice, ensured the same core team for initial cases to build
cohesion, and added new members 1 by 1.

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So deliberate practice and embracing the learning curve.
This iterative learning approachhelped them master a highly
complex new surgery. Embracing the learning process
rather than expecting instant perfection, they grew other
people's skills and their confidence.
So if you want your elephant to move, you need to appeal to its
feelings. Find the feeling.
Make the change feel small enough not to spook it.

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Shrink the change and help people cultivate an identity and
mindset that empowers them. Grow your people.
These are powerful internal motivators.
Absolutely. That's the core of motivating
the elephant. Which finally brings us to our
third and perhaps most surprising pillar shape, the
path. Right writer directed, Elephant
motivated. Now what?
This is where we go beyond trying to change hearts and

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minds internally and literally change the game board itself,
change the situation. This is a crucial pivot.
What looks like a people problem?
Laziness, lack of discipline, Apathy is often in fact a
situation problem. It's not them, it's the
environment. Often, yes.
When the environment, the path that people walk on, is shaped
effectively, change becomes far more likely.

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Sometimes almost effortless, regardless of what's happening
with the writer or elephant. You remove the obstacles or make
the desired action the default, the easiest option.
And we circle back beautifully to our opening example, the palm
corn buckets. The popcorn full circle.
That's the prime example of tweaking the environment.
Shrinking the bucket size shaping the path led to people

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eating significantly less popcorn without any conscious
effort, willpower or nagging. Their environment simply made
the desired behavior eating lesseasier and more likely.
They didn't even realize they were doing it.
It's elegantly simple, isn't it?Another fun example is the
clocky alarm clock. Clocky, what's that?
It doesn't rely on your willpower to get out of bed.

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It literally rolls off your night stand and scurries around
the room beeping, forcing you toget up and chase it down to turn
it off. That's brilliant.
It tweaks your physical environment to make it
impossible to stay in bed. Outsmarting your emotional
elephants desire for more sleep.I desperately need a clocky or
think about that perennial office frustration lead expense

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report filing. The bane of many managers
existence. Instead of nagging people,
sending endless reminders or blaming their character for
being disorganized is just yelling at the elephant.
The book suggests shape the path, simplify the forms,
prefill names and common information, provide pre
addressed envelopes for receipts.

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Make it as effortless as Amazon's one click ordering for
expenses. Exactly.
Every barrier you remove makes the path clearer, making it
significantly easier for people to do the right thing without
draining their limited rider willpower.
And consider the perennial challenge of developer empathy.
Right, software developers creating stuff users find

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confusing. Developers often create software
that's hard for customers to usebecause they're programming on
super fast machines with lightning quick Internet.
Their intuition about user experience is warped.
Because their environment is so different from their users, they
don't feel the user's pain. So the tweak require them to
program on the same machines customers use, Slow processors,

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slower Internet, standard monitors.
Ouch, that would be painful for them.
But this simple environmental change dramatically shifts their
perception and consequently theyintuitively start designing more
user friendly code because they feel the sluggishness.
It changes the path for their design choices.
My favorite example of tweaking the environment is Tucker, the

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manager, who kept looking at hercomputer screen while talking to
her team. Oh yeah, that's a common bad
habit. Makes people feel ignored.
She knew it was bad, making her seem disengaged.
Her writer knew. But her habit, Her elephant kept
pulling her eyes to the screen. So she simply rearranged her
office. What did she do?
She moved her desk so the computer screen was out of sight

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when she was talking to people at her desk and created a small,
comfortable meeting area with couches away from the screen.
Removed the temptation physically.
That small physical tweak dramatically improved her
communication scores because it literally removed the
distraction and reshape the pathfor better, more present in her
their actions. Simple but effective.

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The book also introduces the Haddon matrix here right as a
way to think systematically about tweaking the environment.
Yes, a brilliant framework for thinking holistically about
preventing problems, whether it's data loss, a factory
accident or a health issue originally used for Traffic
Safety. So instead of just blaming
reckless colleagues for losing data on their laptops, which is

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a person problem approach. The Haddon matrix prompts you to
think systematically about the environment and timing what pre
event interventions can prevent crashes from happening in the
first place. Like monthly computer checkups?
Maybe using padded laptop bags? Exactly.
Then what event interventions can minimize damage during a
crash? Like mirrored hard drives, so

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the data exists in two places. Perfect.
And finally, what post event interventions can help recover
after a loss? Like automated nightly backups
or using cloud storage. It fundamentally shifts the
focus from blaming people finding fault to shaping the
system and environment, finding solutions to prevent and
mitigate issues, shaping the path proactively.

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And Rackspace, the web hosting company, provides another
powerful example of path shaping.
Yeah, they had a big shift. Initially, they operated with a
denial of service model, viewingcustomer calls as costs to
minimize and avoid get them off the phone fast.
Standard call center thinking sometimes.
But they shifted to fanatical support by fundamentally
changing their processes in physical environment to

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encourage customer interaction. How did they tweak the path?
They moved their support lines from a separate department right
into the tech teams. So customers talk directly to
experts. They empowered staff to spend as
much time as needed. They celebrated great support
stories. So they tweaked their path to
make it easier for customers to reach them and for their
employees to deliver exceptionalservice.

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Exactly. It transformed their entire
business and brand identity, allby shaping the path.
Which leads us to the next strategy for shaping the path
build habits. Habits.
The autopilot for behavior. Habits are behavioral autopilot.
They allow positive behaviors tohappen without depleting the
writers precious self-control. They're essentially behaviors

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wired into the path. So to change behavior long term,
you often have to change habits or build new ones.
The story of Mike Romano, a soldier who became addicted to
heroin in Vietnam, illustrates this profoundly Studies showed
addiction rates were incredibly high over there.
A very stressful triggering environment.
But the amazing thing was when the soldiers came back home to

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the US, something like 95% of the addicts just stopped without
rehab. Romano was one of them.
Back home in Milwaukee, his addiction simply vanished. 95%
That's staggering. Why?
Because his environment changed completely, he was no longer
surrounded by drug use. The social cues were different.
The stressors were different. Access to the drug was

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different. The path changed entirely.
His habits shifted with the new path almost automatically,
because the cues and rewards that sustain the addiction in
Vietnam were gone. That's incredible.
It underscores how powerfully our environment, our path,
influences our automatic behaviors, sometimes more than
our conscious desires or even physical addiction.
And a key tool for building new desired habits is action

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triggers, pioneered by psychologist Peter Goldwitzer.
Action triggers OK. The core concept is deceptively
simple but incredibly powerful, specifying when and where you'll
take an intended action, making a plan.
This sounds almost too easy to be effective.
I'll go to the gym tomorrow, rarely works.
But that's not specific enough. The power is in the when and

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where. In one study, college students
had the option to write a Christmas Eve paper for extra
credit. Tough sell on Christmas Eve.
Only 33% submitted it, but for students who made a specific
plan, pre specified when and where they write it.
For example, I will write my paper in my dad's office on
Christmas morning before everyone gets up.
OK, that's very specific. A whopping 75% submitted the

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paper. Wow, 33% to 75%?
That's a massive difference justfrom that tiny mental
commitment, that specific. Plan.
It's an astonishing result for such a small mental investment.
It's not about forcing you to dosomething you truly don't want
to do. But it has a profound power to
motivate people to do the thingsthey know they need to do, but
keep putting off the things the rider wants.

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But the elephant resists starting.
Exactly. It takes the decision out of the
moment of execution when the elephant might resist and
programs it into your environment and schedule.
It pre paves the path so to speak.
Turns intention into action. That makes sense, you're making
it easier for your future self. Patty Pop, a department manager
and AGM plant use this for a newsafety policy about goggles with

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side Shields. Welders often suffered eye
injuries from sparks. Right, A serious issue.
She didn't just tell them to be safer or wear your glasses, she
got them to specify when and where they would put on their
safety glasses. When I pick up my welding tool,
I will put on my safety glasses.Linking the action to an
existing queue. That little mental commitment,

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turning an intention into a concrete action trigger, made a
huge difference in compliance and reduced injuries.
It built the habit into the workflow.
And doesn't always have to be about starting a new hard
behavior. Sometimes it's about adding an
easy supporting habit. Like the Penn State Dieters
study? Exactly.
Adding two cups of soup daily asbonus food, not replacing

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anything to their diet resulted in only slightly less weight
loss compared to other local diets.
But significantly increased feelings of fullness and
sustainability. Right.
It was an easy, consistent supporting habit that made the
overall diet more manageable andless draining on willpower,
helping them stick to it long term.
It shaped the path by making thehard journey easier.

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Another fantastic example of building habits through routine
is Natalie Elder's work with School Morning Routine.
Oh yeah, the chaotic school mornings.
She had chaotic, disruptive mornings that set a terrible for
the entire school day, creating an environment ripe for
misbehavior. The path was bumpy from the
start. So her solution?
Create consistent, almost choreographed routines.

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Shape the path. Literally change the path.
From the moment students arrived, staff became valets at
drop off, ensuring a calm and orderly entry.
No morning chaos. There was a peaceful, structured
cafeteria experience and a structured assembly with
calling, response, character lessons, the Pledge of
Allegiance and songs, predictable, orderly, calm.

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And the result. Order and continuity in the
environment led to bad kids acting like good kids.
She shaped the environment to make good habits automatic,
almost without conscious effort on the students part.
The smooth path encourage smoothbehavior.
And in complex environments, nothing shapes the path for the
rider quite like the humble checklist.

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Ah, the checklist. So simple, yet so powerful.
It provides clear, ironclad steps directing the rider
precisely and helps avoid blind spots and human error, even for
highly competent professionals like pilots or surgeons.
Doctor Pronavos ICU checklist with just five simple steps for
central line insertion dramatically reduced infections

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because it made the right way the obvious easy way, ensuring
no critical step was missed evenunder pressure.
Takes the thinking out of it when you're stressed.
And it's not just for medical emergencies.
Cisco Systems uses an acquisition checklist for their
multi $1,000,000 deals. Really.
For business deals, yeah. Do the key engineers want to
relocate? What's the plan for customer
support? A smart business person might

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remember 80% of these crucial details.
But forgetting the other 20% cantank $100 million deal.
Precisely. Checklists are, as the book puts
it, insurance against overconfidence, guiding the
writer through complex tasks without relying on exhaustive
willpower or perfect memory. They shape the path by making
thoroughness automatic. All of these strategies in

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shaping the path, tweaking the environment, building habits,
and using cyclists are about relieving the writer's burden
and making the desired behavior the easiest, most frictionless
option. You're literally changing the
playing field so the game is easier to win, less reliant on
heroic effort. Which finally brings us to the
last strategy for shaping the path.
Rally the herd, ah. Social influence.

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We're social creatures, after all.
Because behavior is profoundly contagious, you can leverage
social norms and peer pressure to spread change like wildfire.
What others do shapes our path. This is powerfully illustrated
by the phenomenon of bystander non intervention, the famous
smoke filled room study. Where smoke pours into a room.
But if other people who are actors ignore it, the real

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participant often ignores it too.
Exactly. In ambiguous situations, people
look to others for cues. If everyone else is idling
waiting to see what to do, theirbehavior becomes data for your
theory that it's not an emergency, and vice versa.
It's a paralyzing loop. So the solution?
Direct instruction breaks the loop.
You in the blue shirt call 911. It overcomes the ambiguity and

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leverages the herd effect by giving a clear social signal.
It tells the herd which way to run.
And the evidence for contagion is everywhere.
Absolutely. Obesity and drinking habits have
been shown to spread through social networks.
If your friends gain weight, you're more likely to.
And the hotel towel example. Classic hotel guests are
significantly more likely to reuse towels if they see a sign

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saying the majority of guests inthis room reuse their towels.
Specificity matters. We're highly sensitive to what
others like us or in our situation are doing.
It normalizes behaviors, makes them feel like the right thing
to do. It shapes the path via social
proof. Gerard Cashon, an academic, used
this to brilliant effect with academic journal reviewers who
were notoriously slow, delaying publications, a huge bottleneck

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in science. How did he rally that heard
academics could be pretty independent?
He posted an Excel spreadsheet online showing the status of
every paper submitted, visible to every reviewer.
Total transparency. Public accountability.
The social pressure was immediate and profound.
Reviewers could see in plain sight.
Look, Smith finished his review in three weeks.

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Jones did hers in four. Whoops.
I'm the bottleneck holding up this paper for three months.
Nobody wants to be the slacker holding things up on his public
knowledge. This public display of group
norms made good behavior contagious.
Quickly making his journal the fastest in the field, he shaped
the path with transparency. That's a masterful use of social
accountability. But perhaps the most impactful

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example of rallying the herd is the designated driver campaign
in the US. Yes, a huge public health set
story before the 1980's. The concept didn't even really
exist here. It wasn't part of the social
lexicon or norm. So how did it become so
ingrained? Jay Winston, a public health
professor at Harvard, saw how effectively the designated
driver concept worked in Scandinavian countries and made

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it his mission to create this social norm in the US.
But how? Public service announcements.
That was part of it, but his brilliant strategy was to
partner with Hollywood. He convinced TV shows and movies
to subtly include the term designated driver, often in just
five seconds scenes. Not lecturing, but just showing
it. Showing it as a normal accepted

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behavior. A character saying no thanks,
I'm the designated driver tonight.
Normalizing it within the stories people watch.
It was subtle but incredibly pervasive.
And the results. Staggering within just three
years, by 199190 out of 10 people were familiar with the
term and an astonishing 37% of Americans had acted as one.

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Wow, and traffic fatalities. Alcohol related traffic
fatalities plummeted. This wasn't about creating new
believers. As the book notes, most people
already knew drunk driving was bad.
It was about unleashing the believers who already existed by
making the solution a widely accepted, almost invisible
social norm. Shaping the path by changing the
social script. It truly shows the power of

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making the desired behavior seemnormal.
Highlights the complex case of interns and the.
Daily signaut at hospitals they were resisting formal patient
handoffs, which are crucial for safety due to a strong cultural.
Identity of working hard and. Not handing stuff off a deeply
ingrained norm. The old guard valued endurance
over systematic safety. So how do they rally the herd

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for change there? It compares 2 hospitals right?
Alpha and beta. Yes, in Alpha Hospital reform
minded interns had. Lengthy private rounds where
they could coordinate and build a new shared identity, and US
versus them against the old guard who clung to outdated
practices, a safe space to figure out the new way.
Exactly this. Free space allowed.

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Change to. Brew and new norms to solidify
without public scrutiny from resistors, letting them rehearse
and internalize the new process and beta hospital in beta
hospital in contrast. Casual.
Short rounds happened in public computer lounges.
This prevented open discussion about the problems with the old
way and inadvertently reinforcedthe old norm.

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As no one wanted to challenge the status quo publicly.
There was no safe space for the new herd to form.
So the lesson is clear, to trulychange culture.
And rally the herd. You often need to provide a free
space for reformers to coalesce,coordinate, and rehearse how
they'll react to resistance. It's about allowing an
organizational molting as the book.

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Calls it where the old skin can be shed to reveal a new
identity, driven by the powerfulherd effect of a new committed
group who believes in and practices the change shaping the
path by creating a supportive subculture.
What an incredible deep dive into the mechanics of change.
We've covered a huge amount of ground today, all drawn from the
brilliant insights of the book. It gives us such a practical

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lens through which to view humanbehavior.
It really does. To recap, the authors give us
this. Powerful, actionable framework
for change, whether it's personal habits, organizational
shifts, or even societal movements 3 key parts 1st.
Direct the rider, provide crystal clear clarity and a
compelling. Destination, no ambiguity.

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Second, motivate the elephant. Find the emotional.
Connection Make the change feel small.
Enough not to spook it and cultivate an empowering
identity. Feel the change, make it doable,
make it us. And finally, shape the path.
Tweak the. Environment to make desired
behaviors easier build. Strong habits through triggers
and routines and powerfully rally the herd to spread the

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change through social proof and norms make it easy, automatic
and normal. It truly changes how you look at
what we often label as. Resistance or laziness, doesn't
it? Completely reframing them as
signals of a lack of. Clarity, insufficient motivation
or an unsupportive environment. It's usually not the person,
it's the situation. The authors remind us that even
when facing daunting. Challenges.

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Whether it's a personal habit you can't break or a massive
organizational shift, even in failure there is success if you
learned from it. It's about diligently finding
those bright spots. Shrinking the task to an
achievable size and understanding the powerful
interplay between our rational selves rider our emotional
drivers elephant and the environments we inhabit path.

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So for you listening right now, what's 1 intractable challenge?
In your life or work that after this deep dive you might see in
a new light through this writer elephant path lens, what's the
smallest bright spot you can find where it's already working?
A little the tiniest critical move you can script for yourself
or others, or the simplest environmental tweak you can make

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to the path to start your own switch and truly make a change.
Think about it by understanding these fundamental mechanisms.
Of change You gain a powerful new lens through which to view
human behavior, predict its responses, and ultimately unlock
profound possibilities for yourself and others.
It really empowers you to be an agent of change, not just a.
Victim of circumstance. That's all for this deep dive.

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We hope it sparks something for you.