Mel and Michael discuss the possibility of dishonest actors parasitizing the conservative movement in pursuit of power. Mel gives advice for how pastors and Christians should react to sociopolitical perturbations. Next they talk about the steps for changing the culture of a church. If you're unhappy with your church, should you leave or should you stay and try to change things? What is it like for Pastor Mel to have conversations with high profile leaders and guest speakers? What kind of things do they talk about off-stage? The conversation finishes with the power of story. Why are stories so effective at delivering the gospel?
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