S2E3 Solitary Witch, Or Nah?

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Blessings, fellow weird and wild ones.
My name's goddess AKG, AKA yourfriendly neighborhood, which
they them, their pronouns,please.
And thank you.
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Thank you for joining me in thepractice of finding our way back
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Speaker 3 (01:43):
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Let's see.
We already started.
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I want to tell that to the ad.
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Oh Lord saying that priest is inWest African mommy.

(02:06):
Watsonville dune.
Yes.
Yes.
She lives in Atlanta and ownstwo businesses and wellness,
honeycomb, natural hair and restrituals.
Meditation.
Shana currently is hostingone-on-one virtual sound
meditation rituals that provideclients with both rest and
connection with spirit throughchannel messages during the

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sound Beth, welcome back, Shana,because this is your second
episode with us.
I'm so excited to have you backon.
I'm going to put a link to thatepisode too, because that
episode was dope.
So yeah.

(02:47):
Thank you again for being backon.
So you already know.
So, um, we go through our namepronouns and, um, ethnicity and
body.
So I'll go first.
My name is goddess.
I use they them, their pronounsand I am black body.
How about you Shayna?
My name is Dana.

(03:08):
I go by her and, um, I'm all theway melanated.
I probably have some littlepinches, but I'm not about to go
to ancestry.com y'all and givethem none of my DNA.
So we just don't have to figurethat out later on that side.

(03:33):
Okay.
That's all good to me.
Um, alright.
So, uh, today, where in yourbody do you feel and live in and
where do you feel?
Dormant?

(03:54):
Alive in my stomach and in mychest.
I honestly don't feel dormantanywhere as I do my body scan my
toes, tingle, my knees, my body.
Yeah.
I don't feel darn it anywhere.

(04:17):
I'm fully alive and present withit.
Yeah.
Fully present too.
That's what I was going to sayfully present.
Yes.
I hope that continues onthroughout the day and the week
for you in my body, I feltreally Enlive in like my temples
and like my eyes today,something just feels a lot less

(04:41):
heavy and clear.
I'm been working on some dreamwork and a lot came through the
other night.
So I feel really enlivened.
Um, yes.
Um, and dormant.
I don't know if I felt dormant.
I feel like my body's stillwaking up.

(05:02):
Um, so that that's not dormant.
Just, just waking up to the daymaking this way.
Okay.
So this particular topic.
So you had mentioned this in ourlast podcast and we had talked
about it before of doing anepisode about, um, being a

(05:24):
solitary witch and what thatmeans, but I'd love to hear from
you, like what inspired you to,to have this conversation?
Cause you were the one whoactually kind of created the
theme around this episode, um,in the spirit realm about being

(05:47):
solitary, um, anything in aculture that's about setting for
a wall and not including

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Other elements and especially the most powerful
element.
The assumption is you, you know,that you don't want to combine
forces like who that sound like.
You know what I mean?
That's just not a thing thatthere's privacy.
Um, there is, um, you're born,people say like you're born

(06:24):
alone and you die alone.
All these things, these kinds ofconcepts aren't even true, but
it makes us feel great.
It makes us feel independent.
It makes us feel powerful.
And the reality is you were notborn alone.
You were born of your mother andyou normally don't die alone

(06:45):
because anyone who's had anextra, what do you call it?
Uh, they have a little thing forit, like an outer body
experience or a near deathexperience.
What they say is that there arespirits or lights or some type
of energy on this other sidethat they were able to
experience, um, that was them,but also larger than them that

(07:09):
created a peace within them.
Um, and so then the work that Ido with the voodoo is these
plethora, like, yeah, I don'thave a clue, the amount of
energies and forces and spiritsjust for you.

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So you're not alone.
Right?
And so what are you even callingon when you are a solitary witch
and you're calling on these,these elements in order to be an
Alchemist, you are asking forall of these forces to come
together to maybe change,adjust, or whatever,
enlightened, whatever it is thatyou're doing.
Um, so I just want to be very,very careful for people of color

(07:54):
when they are talking aboutdoing things in solitude.
A lot of times that has to dowith distrust.
We live in a culture that tellsus to go inside our houses and
shut our four doors to put afence around our houses, um, to
drive only our cars.
They reward you.
If you are in the HOV lane, well, you go a little faster, you

(08:18):
put somebody in the car and wetry to do this thing as a
community, but they don't say,just get on the bus.
Like if you really want to savethe environment, why don't you
just get on the bus or get onthe train?
So I just always am verycritical of things that are
always done, um, alone, and totake it even further in diva

(08:39):
nation, normally in the highestforms of divination, where a
person looks into what it isthat your soul has been called,
he used to do traditionalAfrican traditions.
You can't do that with onepriest.
Why?
Because there's accountability.
Yeah.
So when you're talking aboutdoing payroll for yourself, cool

(09:01):
Terrell deals with yoursubconscious and just how you're
thinking, you can change at awhim, but when you're talking
about why you were born, therehas to be several priests or
priests there together to gatherthat information, to be able to
give it to you and your parents.
Cause a lot of times those aredone.
When you're a child, you canhave it done.
It.
I've seen people have it done at80 years old, right?

(09:23):
Like they didn't have accessmaybe when they were five or at
all, you know what I mean?
The United States, especially,but I had seen people go and get
their destiny readings atwhatever age and I've never seen
it done alone.
And there are prayers that we dothat we have to touch each other

(09:47):
in order to activate that thingor that prayer, I have to hold
someone's hand.
Um, when we're doing rituals,there are people who are
literally just there to holdyour hand, you know?
So I feel like what we get offon in this country a lot of

(10:08):
times is, well, I came to us,nobody, you know?
So I just have to do this aloneor I'm doing magic and I'm
really, really afraid of how I'mgoing to be judged.
Um, I don't have any friends whoI can really talk to about this
or celebrate when it does comedown the pipe.
And so we can sit inside of ourhouses and Google on YouTube and

(10:32):
learn the spill and then do thespell.
Right.
And it's great, but how muchmore powerful is it?
If you join hands with at leastone other person or your pit or,
you know what I mean?
Whatever is available that has alife force to magnify what it is
that you're doing isolating, uh,yourself.

(10:55):
Uh, it starts to be painful atfirst.
It feels very liberating becauseyou're doing the stuff you're
doing.
You know what you're doing,you're feeling super powerful
about it.
But when you have to constantlykeep things in secret, it begins
to erode you psychologically.
Very, very, very, very concernedwith that because I have not

(11:19):
ever had to walk this roadalone, fortunately.
Right.
And there's so many people whohave come to me, they're like
none of my friends understand,none of my family understands.
I have so many people who theirfamily completely rejected them
once they knew that they weredoing any kind of traditional
herbal, anything.
I mean, they, might've just beenlike I'm making tea and people

(11:41):
are like, if it ain't lifting,no what you're doing by their

(12:06):
favorably.
And I understand it, you knowwhat I mean?
So I'm not saying that I'mcoming from this place where I'm
asking people to be forced toforce their family into joining
hands and doing, you know, anykind of ancestral ritual or any
type of ancestral recognition.
No, I'm not.
All I'm saying is be very, very,very, very mindful of anything
that turns you away fromcommunity.

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Be very, very, very mindful ofthings that don't bring your
family together.
Be very, very, very mindful ofthings that you have to do in
secret that would erode yourself confidence, your strength,
or not give power to the thingsthat you are doing.
If you feel like you have to bea solitary witch, ask yourself,

(12:51):
why is it a choice, right?
Like, is it just something like,okay, I'm choosing this or is it
because you really don't feellike nobody rock with you or
that you don't trust nobody todo these types of magic things
that they might do something badto you.
Like if you join forces withthis person, your spell may not

(13:11):
come out.
Because they stay in there foryou, but they really not for
you.
You know?
Um, what ways in which can youreally strengthen your
intuition?
Where if there is somebody whocomes around and says, they want
to do a spell with you, how canyou check in with their
intentions above your ego?

(13:33):
Right?
So that's why you do what evennation, because it's above your
ego, then you can do a peril.
You can do a pendulum, you know,is Kesha good for me?
Is Kesha down for these ritualsis he should have magic up, you
know, energetic, magic up to parwith mine.

(13:53):
Right?
So those kind of things, um, Ihave so many people who call me
and go, I think I want to doReiki, but like that, like
that's how deep the trust is.
With black people as it shouldbe.
Like if somebody is in theremessing with my energy, I don't

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know.
Right.
But they'll go to a doctor andthe doctor's name will be John
White and you walk in and Johnis white and you got cool.
Look at my uterus.
Yes.

(14:34):
John White is cool looking atyour uterus, but you worried
about Kesha and you won't do asolid day.
What are we talking about here?
Like you don't even like rightnow, like my fears are like, yo,
that's nuts because it's nuts.
That is nuts.
You go and you pay John White tolook at your breasts, to look at
your inner parts, to look atyour toenail.

(14:55):
But then you're like, Oh, I'm asolitaire.
Which, because I don't trustnobody out here.
You know?
So

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Exactly.
I love how you brought up aboutaccountability because I don't
think I would have, so I becamea solitary witch because,
because of the fact that thecovenant I was was just so
white, like I just, I couldn'tpray.
I didn't see myself in thepractices.

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Like it taught me a lot abouthow to, um, respect, um, conjure
and how to be ethical about it.
And I don't think I would'velearned that in the way of that.
Um, um, without being a part ofa coven and had like an elder to
guide me, I don't think I wouldhave had that without a crone,

(15:49):
um, or some type of elder, butwhat, what, when you ask, like
what, what caused you to become?
So I was like, let me thinkabout that.
It was like, yeah, it was causeI was like, I'm not really
feeling this.
It was Alexandria in witchcraft.
And I'm like, I'm not from this,this isn't my lineage.
I just don't feel right.
And so I became solitary becauseno one else was doing what I

(16:12):
needed for my spiritualconnection.
And now as I come out of reallylike, European-based, um,
witchcraft, I'm like, okay, nowit's I need an Albert and I need
you for accountability.
And to like, have someone totalk to about like dreams and

(16:33):
like these, these things thatare coming up for me, like
meeting new assets or some way,hold up a second, like we need
community.
And so I think it's, and I knowas an introvert, I'm thinking,
Oh, why can't I can't be aroundpeople all the time.
And that's, I don't think that'swhat you're saying.

(16:53):
Community can look so differentthan how, um, if we look at
community outside of a Westernframework, there are so many
possibilities probably than theones that we are immediately
coming to mind.
Like immediately come to mind.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yes.
So ear to ear.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yes.
Like you like it's um, Hmm.
Like I'm thinking of like how,like how I view my urbalism and
how I'm, um, what I practice athome and like the herbs I make.
And then when a community memberbrings in their herbs and how
the, like the, the magic and theintention behind, like what is

(17:34):
brought in with their herbs andtheir knowledge, you know what I
mean?
And like, if I have a question,I can go ask an elder over here,
or a friend over here.
Like that's what community canlook like.
You can still be in your house.
We've been up here cadre, youknow, getting your thing

Speaker 4 (17:50):
The same time.
You have all these beautifulresources outside of yourself,
by yourself.
You are not by yourself.
You're not like, who are youconjuring with?
Like, it's normally someancestor, spirit guide w you

(18:11):
know, whatever level ofAscension that, that energy is
on.
And that's wonderful.
And that's lovely.
Um, but also understand thatthose same forces can bring you
about a community that is justelevating the shit out of you.
And like all the things thatyour ancestors asked you to come

(18:33):
to earth to do, like, I'm superbig on that.
I'm super big on what is it thatI'm here to do and making sure
that I get that done.
Number one, I'm a Capricorn son.
So that's just part of what itis.
And then I'm a Libra moon, whichmeans I'm all about like these
community codependent, you know,relationships.
So that's what I, what my mainfocus is, but I've been, Oh, how

(18:59):
do you say that?
Validated in those thoughts andactions by looking at how the
ancestors worked, you know, howmany times have I walked in
somebody's dreams and don't workwith them and didn't even know I
did it.
And so they called me the nextday and say, girl, you looked at
my dream telling me to do blah,blah, blah, blah.
I'm like child.

(19:19):
I did it.
Like there's so many timesbecause they elevate you to
these levels that you don't, youdon't have the mental capacity
to even understand.
Right.
So when I think, and I don'tknow, it just keeps coming back
to me that like being asolitary, which is about being

(19:43):
outcast, believing those storiesof being outcast, watching
movies that says the, the witch,the crone, all those things live
out in the forest by herself.
Um, so many of us are introvertsbecause we're impasse, which
makes us feel very isolated.
Because when we go into a space,we can feel so many things and

(20:07):
we can see that the people arenot necessarily wanting to be
aware or heal those things.
So it makes us go, always stayfor, just to be in the house by
myself.
If I'm going to feel all thisshit, like I was talking about
that with one of my closestfriends yesterday, if I'm going
to feel all that anxiety, let mejust stay at home with my own
anxiety.

(20:28):
So there's just all these thingsthat put us in this kind of, I
just want to be alone, or I justwant to do this magic alone or
what has, um, and eventually,um, you need help.
You know, eventually you need,you have to elevate out of that.
Eventually you have to come fromthe stereotypes that are in the

(20:48):
movies, because there's a reasonthat this lady is a crone.
What society, I mean, not aChrome, but, uh, isolated, which
in the forest, why, why isanybody asking why she's out
there?
What society put her out there?
What choices did she make to sayit's safer to be in the forest

(21:10):
by myself than to be amongstothers.
And why do we even know abouther?
We know about her becausesomebody had to go and visit her
because they needed helphealing.
They needed help.
And so she has to serve thegreater community.
So she's still not by herself.
She's still not by herself.

(21:31):
She's still out there workingher or doing her thing and
making sure that when thechildren and the mothers and the
fathers are coming to getwhatever that they have, you
know, what it is, they need toget their healing, you know, but
you have to question why thatstory is continually told why

(21:52):
and what society is supportingthat versus the society that
we're seeing now on socialmedia, where you see 15, 20, 30,
75 women at the water in whitetelling us we are, because

(22:12):
that's our truth is that thereare 15, 20, you know, a hundred
women out there holding handsand giving, offering to the
great mother spirits to theancestral spirits and make sure
that we're all loved.
They were all protected.
And that we all have wealth.
Nobody's telling us storybecause who benefits from it?

(22:36):
So it benefits a bigger, widercapitalist society to say, Oh
yeah, you'll wish you better goout into the woods and be by
yourself and be an introvert andnot talk to nobody because
you're pretty fucking scary.
And you better be an, you know,an isolation.
So I think that my ancestors arereally upset with that.
Because again, if you go onYouTube, which many of our

(22:59):
listeners and community are, itreally supports the solitary
wish thing.
You see one woman on theretelling you how to maybe do
ancestral money by yourself.
And you keep coming back to her.
And she's given Ashevilleastrological prediction by
herself, in a room by herself.

(23:20):
You don't see her on there withthree or four other women
discussing what today's lunareclipse me, one person like the
black community.
I'm talking about YouTube.

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I'm talking about America,America, America, as a whole,
like when I go online and I'mlooking at different things to
learn about, but, well, what'sthe, what's the what's going on
in the cosmos today.
I see one woman, you know what Imean, giving the information or

(24:01):
one man giving the information.
I see some people interviewing,you know what I mean?
But I don't ever see three orfour or five community groups of
people talking about what'sgoing on.
I never seen it.
I see what you're saying now.
Yeah.
So that's what I'm saying, if it, and so it keeps telling you

(24:23):
that it's best for you to dothis in, you know, one-on-one in
isolation and it's that again,support you separating from it's
.
In my opinion, it feedscapitalism in that I now have to

(24:43):
separate or compartmentalize myspirituality from my bigger life

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Come through.
Yes.
Yeah.
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Continue.
Yeah.
And it can't continue.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
And there's this idea around, like, I don't want to
call it privacy, but like being,um, secretive, whether it's for
protection or whether, I thinklike you were talking about
before, there's also a checksand balance system that needs to
, uh, to be there, to have,like, if you're off doing

(25:18):
something that maybe youshouldn't be doing.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah.
I've had a lot of mentees thatwill come to me and say, I'm
really upset.
It's dismissed.
And they won't say upset, butthey're like, this is what I'm
dealing with.
If I'm thinking about doing thisfail, and then, you know, like
you said, the accountability ofthe elder says, well, do you
want that to come back on yourkarma?
Do you really want to do thatfail?
And they're like, Oh.
And I'm like, okay.
So let's now think about how wecan do that sales to be

(25:46):
inclusive of healing.
And then we focus on it likethat.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
You know what I'm saying?
And so the trust is there.
Like you have to be accountable,you don't have to do these
things in isolation.
And also I'm here to supportthat healing that not only
you're going through, butwhatever that situation is to
bring it to a wholeness,

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Right then that in itself is exactly like being
vulnerable and saying like, thisis what I'm doing.
This is what I'm going through.
This is the steps that I saw fitto take.
Is this a good idea?
Like that in itself is powerfulbecause then you're holding
yourself accountable and you'rebeing very open about where

(26:28):
you're coming from.
And then that leads to more ofthe, um, when you do, when you
do, you know, do your conjure,like you can bring that full
self to the table because youdon't want your magic come at
you sideways.
Like

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yes, yes, yes.
Um, and then coming from thatplace of love, everybody does
their work for differentreasons, right?
I just happened to be a part ofan aid Bay or a house.
Uh, ag Bay is the, is a termthat I, that I'm just basically

(27:10):
calling church at this point.
So ag Bay is actually in, um,with Africa is what you would
call your voodoo house.
And so inside your egg bays yourhouse of all the people who do
work with you, um, and all yourancestors joined forces with the
spirits, et cetera, et cetera,all under one roof.
And so your, my particular eggBay works in the white light,

(27:35):
always the white light, alwaysthe white light white light is
love.
White light is healing.
So that's where I come from.
That's what I was wanting to do.
I don't got no judgment aboutwhat other folks do if they,
part of the red egg Bay, if theypart of the black, I don't know,
chow.
I know, but what I havedefinitely learned from the
voodoo is that my mental spaceis limited.

(27:57):
And that's normally wherejudgment comes from, like this
kind of limited mental spacewhere you just don't know
everything that's going on.
So you can't judge.
Um, and so everybody does theirwork for whatever ways.
And so I am just like, I justwant folks, as they're entering
into this understanding that itis very, very real and

(28:19):
constantly questioning.
What thought process are youunder based on your society?
Where does this, the society,where does the society hold your
power?
What have you bought into andwhy it's about being a solitary,

(28:45):
which if you're asking yourself,why you're even a witch eat it?
What does the word, which meansif you look on my, on my, um,
Instagram, you scroll way downto maybe a year and a half ago.
I don't remember.
I put on there.
I'm not a widow, I'm a priest.
What is the difference?
What's the difference?
You know?
Um, why is there a difference?

(29:05):
Is there even a difference?
What do you consider yourself?
Um, where does the word, whichin this country in context means
, you know, so once you examineall those things and really
determining through your ownmeditations, in your own
prayers, who, and what you are,because you have to know that
you are under a spell ofcapitalism under a spell of

(29:30):
whatever country that you'relistening from at this point,
you're under the spell of whatyour family has taught you.
You know, so really being ableto get down to numero UNO and
asking yourself a lot of why's,and as you grow and evolve and

(29:51):
you find freedom, you'll findyourself like breaking out of a
lot of stuff that you, you knowwhat I mean, since you initially
were like, Oh, I am gung ho youknow what I mean about being a
fellow take, which in, maybethat's the best possible thing
for you right now, becauseyou're in the middle of Montana.
And if you haven't ever been toMontana, anybody who's listening
and you're not gonna say[inaudible] animals, you know

(30:15):
what I used to animals andnature, and it's beautiful and
it's right.
But like, you might not get alot of human photos to be able
to touch and agree and holdhands and combine y'all with it.
Right.

(30:35):
It might be the very bestpossible thing for you at the
moment.
Um, but I would just want peopleto really, really, really be
clear, you know what I'm sayingon their, why?
You know, what does that powerof means, you know, to be a
conjure person and to be aperson of color.

(30:57):
And is it best utilized alone?
You know, is it in, are youdefining yourself as a witch or
you decide defining yourself asa priestess, are you defining
yourself as a high priest?
Are you defining yourself as awizard?
Are you defining yourself?

(31:18):
Um, as, for example, some peoplehave a gift in their gifts seems
so natural that they don't evenknow that it's a gift, right?
Like, um, how do I describe it?
They're a giver.
Like they, they see somebody andthey're like, Oh, that person

(31:39):
just needed a pencil.
And they always have the rightpencil.
Like, it seems so insignificantto them, but they literally are
able to conjure exactly whatfolks need and what you need at
that particular moment.
And it's so small, you know?
So just really looking at whatthat, what all of that means for

(32:01):
you.
Um, and I understand, again, meand one of my close friends were
talking about technology and howit's goal is it's beyond our
thought process at this point.
So right now saying that you're,which is very popular.
Why?
Because if you put it out thereone time on Instagram, all
Instagram is going to do is feedback to you all positive things

(32:23):
about being a witch and being asolitary witch.
And then you just keep gettingsaid that same thing on
Facebook, that same thing onsocial media, the same thing,
every time you pick up yourphone, you know what I mean?
That energy just keeps comingback to you.
So it's kind of like what you'remanifesting, what you're calling
in with the language you use todescribe yourself and what you

(32:44):
do as well.
Yep.
That is very true.
Can we go back though?
Cause we were talking about whenyou went from calling yourself,
can you talk more about thatjourney?
And like I've never calledmyself a witch I've never, ever

(33:07):
no, that's okay.
I've always been a priest.
I didn't even know that a, whichwas a thing.
Um, because I was so young whenI started on this journey, I was
18.
And before that, it just neveroccurred to me that something
that was something to be, I wantto see a doctor associate.
That's what I was looking at.

(33:30):
Yeah.
I was like, I don't want to be adoctor or a CEO.
Like that was my only trajectoryfor my life.
Um, so having any of this goingon in my life at this point is
not something that I saw formyself, you know, 16, 17 years
old.
Um, so when I was firstintroduced to every concept of
spirituality, it was from, um,other older black women.

(33:54):
And I just remember feeling thistremendous sense of freedom when
I met them.
Um, and that look of like, man,I want to be like, y'all like,
that's dope.
Like, Oh, I don't have to actlike I don't have a theory.
Or like the things that I wasasking about in church that
didn't fit.
I don't have to be like thoseladies in the church who go to

(34:16):
church.
And then they go out for therest of the week and they don't
seem to have like all that muchof a connection.
Like they would pray and stuff,but they just didn't seem to
have this empowered connection.
It was always a suffering,please, please help me
connection.
And these women, they did nothave that.

(34:36):
Like I remember the first time apriest has told me, Oh, my mom
was sick.
And so this is what she said.
I petitioned spirits.
And for someone who could helpheal her, and two days later an
herbalist called me and said,somebody gave me your number

(34:57):
saying that you needed help withsomething.
And I'm looking at her like youpetitioned.
So wasn't nobody on their kneesat the end of their bed.
No, no tea, no shade, because Istill pray on my knees at the

(35:17):
end of the bed.
Cause I feel like it's a big,humble thing to do.
Um, and I'm in a very receptiveplace, numb, you know, praying
in that position.
But his lady wasn't doing that,this lady said I petitioned,
meaning like I just called w youknow, said what it is that I

(35:38):
needed to say that back andwaited for them to show up, to
help heal my mama.
And at this time this woman is60 something years old.
Right.
So we're not talking about mebeing 20 and her being 35.
Right.
And I'm like, Oh, this is a coollady.
No, this is like, she been doingthis.

(35:59):
So these are my firstintroductions to African
spirituality.
And I was like, I want that, youknow, it was my first time ever
saying, I'm not a Christian, butI was like, I know, I know
these, these women are notcompartmentalizing.
These ladies are not going tochurches.

(36:20):
And then coming out stillbegging, um, they're not
confused on what God looks like.
You know?
Cause you know, a lot of us, hiskids were like, Oh, so there's
this white guy who lives in ourheart with long hair.
That if you pray to him, youmight not be a sinner anymore.

(36:42):
You know?
So I'm coming from that kind ofview to a person who was saying
as a black woman with locks thatshe petitioned and shit showed
up.
I was like, yeah, bro, I'm notgoing back.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
That is so different.
There's a lot more our, to that.
And a lot more, what's the wordwhere like, you're just, you
know, it's through self.
Like, you know, you're not doingit, but you're not listening to
yourself in order to get itdone.
If you're like I put in thisposition, this,

Speaker 4 (37:17):
She told me in that moment, universal consciousness,
you are universal consciousness.
So in your universalconsciousness show up and ask
for what is needed so thatyou'll get it.
Cause you don't want your mamato keep suffering.
So just be the universal forcethat you are I'm down.
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Me.
Uh, yes.
That is exactly what it feelslike.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think especially as blackpeople, um, we are constantly
being fed that we are notempowered.
Like we, we don't have anypower.
We need this like shrinkourselves, make ourselves

(37:58):
smaller.
Let me not quote that amazingwoman we were were were told
that we need to like, just besmall and depend on someone
else.
AK is white savior or black,depending on how you want to
argue with you as well.
I don't.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
So someone else is like, empowering, you gotta just
put that power to someone elseand let them handle it.
And it's like, no, no, no, thisis, this is something we have
within us.
We where we are the ones thatbought that brought the spirit
back into.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
So this is the magic that I'm just going to be a
banner for voodoo woo is aboutfreedom.
Like everybody thinks the boodleis about all these kinds of
power sources or manipulation.
You know, like I'm going tomanipulate the universe to make

(39:05):
myself well, or I'm going tomanipulate the universe to get
more money or I'm going tomanipulate the universe to do
this, this and this, the waythat I walk in the world.
And then I'll wake up everysingle day, being a Buddha and
priestess is this source offreedom.
That is very rarely known inhumanity.

(39:29):
Listen to me very carefully toManatee.
Meaning my breath alone is mywealth.
I ain't gotta manipulate shit.
I know that when I am talking toa white man that I'm never going
to be lesser.
That's not a self esteem issue.
I know that.

(39:50):
I know that because I have myspirit.
And when you have your spirit oryour spirits and your ancestors,
when you have that full sense ofself, the freedom is beyond what

(40:11):
Trump is going to do becauseTrump will have to come to your
grandmothers to see what's goingon.
His destiny.
It's beyond anything.
So as I walk in the world, Idon't have this sense of being
cropped up.
I have a sense of, Oh, I wasborn in America to do something.

(40:35):
Cause my fears could have had mebe born anywhere in the damn
world.
Okay.
So I'm in America.
So what y'all want me to do herewhile I'm born in America as a
female with this particularBrown skin, what are the lessons
I'm supposed to learn?
What is it that I'm supposed togive?
And when I laid my physical bodyto rest, then I've completed

(40:59):
that mission because this iswhat they asked me to do.
And that's just the freedom.
That's the freedom of beingconnected to your true divine
spirit.
And that's what they're therefor.
That's what the spirit of thevoodoo are about.
It's not even about conjuring.
It's not about herbs.

(41:20):
It's not about spiritual bath.
It's not about anything else.
Besides aligning you with yourhighest self to do your mission
so that you are free.
You're free.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
That's all I got.
I'm taking it.
I'm taking it all you're saying,because it reminds me that every
time I see something about, um,black spirituality, religion,
faith based practices, conjure,I take a moment to separate,

(42:00):
okay, what is whiteness comingthrough?
And like are what, what has thewhite man told us to tell us
what to believe about ourselves?
What do I feel is true?
And they leave like, what is myinstinct telling me?

(42:22):
And my answer don't get mewrong.
My instincts really is reallytrue, but I'm doing some work
around decolonizing myself.
And anti-black you, you gottause your own gauge, but I love
the way you put that aboutHoodoo.
Because as soon as people hearit, I would say now in the

(42:44):
circles are one with probablynot as often, but you still get
it.
Like the other day I was at, uh,I was doing a table of it and
this homeless, like, no I got, Igot Jesus.
I'm like, okay, that's cool.
I got, I got my ancestors.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
You said, I'm saying that's a whole, probably lineage
that I don't even know.
That's not for me in thisparticular lifetime.
As far as Jesus, my belief atthis current moment is great,
but I'm never going to ever makethat an issue.

(43:31):
Right.
And it's what you said.
If it anchors you in your truthevery time when something comes
across your path, especiallywhen it comes to conjure work,
you need to ask yourself if theanchors you in your truth and
what we're talking about withbeing in solitary, which is it's
important to have community sothat they can be the mayor too.
Cause sometimes other peoplelike, like they're there help us

(43:56):
to recalibrate our compass everysingle time, every single day.
Well, the first is from whatI've been taught is character
and through the character, youalso get freedom.
Um, but there's huge on again,going back to our original

(44:23):
conversation and what we weretalking about is like, you have
good character, you know what Imean?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Are you doing the right thing?
Are you making sure that you aretelling the truth in every
aspect of what you're doing?
And so when you are in solitude,you know what I mean?
Which again, do meditation anddifferent things by that.
You can always come to yourtruth, but who helps you with
that truth of it not being acolonized, you know how who's

(44:56):
helping you because all of usare reading information and
gathering information and allthose different things.
And so it's just so importantfor us to come to a place where
we are understanding what we'recommuning with and are we
commuting with truth?
Are we communing with goodcharacter?
Are we commuting with freedom?

(45:24):
So let me ask you this.
So do you think this, I don'twant to generalize, but do you
think some of the reasons why,um, there are so many black
solitary practitioners and newinto the realm of what it looks

(45:50):
like to practice my conjurewithin the black diaspora, cause
I'm black.
You know that there's this ideaaround being super guarded.
Do you think that's rooted inour trauma of it being deeply

(46:17):
thin?
Let's not even, let's not evenanswered it.
I mean, all you have to do intwo seconds is look at history
and that answers the questiontoo, that you were told you
couldn't even attend church.
You couldn't speak, you couldn'tread, you lived your entire

(46:40):
existence in fear in work mode.
You didn't have any time to sitand think and be there's been
not a lot of opportunity in ourmost recent three to four
generations that we would havebeen able to do any of this in
really a lot of part of theworld beyond America in South

(47:06):
America, in Canada, there hasnot been an opportunity for the
world to be themselves.
We were busy being conquered.
And in defense, not even aquestion, the views of God all

(47:29):
over the world doing this shit,not a question.
So one of the things I finddifficult with the
distinguishing of like, what's,this was whiteness.
Like where's the whiteness inthis, um, is like imagining what

(47:53):
spiritual practices can looklike outside of whiteness, like
what my ancestors were doing andhow that like community looks
like, what have been your ideasaround that?
Cause I read, like I read likeMala, Domo of water and spirit,

(48:17):
and that book spoke to me somuch, but there were other
things about it that I'm like,although I don't agree with all
of it.
It was so rooted in community.
And, and I wonder like, becausehe's also coming from a Western
thought process and that was alarge part of the book was like,
do we really want this blackperson here?

(48:42):
But you know what I mean?
Like I'm trying to find remnantswherever I can, of what my
spiritual practice can look likeoutside of whiteness.
And it's hard.
So two things, two things cometo mind.
Number one.

(49:03):
Yes.
I thought about this a lot incollege.
Like when I was in my twenties,um, because there was this,
there was a huge leap in mytwenties for folks to just go
right into spirituality becauseit was like, these are the ways
that these have not been, ithasn't been painted.
And so these are places that wecan go to look towards, you know

(49:24):
, something that hasn't beenpainted by white men.
And then of course, as I grow,I'm like, how is that even
possible?
Because unless you just get adirect download, you know what I
mean?
You can't really know, but Ican't read this book on, like
you said, anybody who hasn'tbeen painted by their own
history, like it has to be adirect channel.
If they're going to write abook, it has to be a direct

(49:45):
channel.
It can't be something that theyread in.
The highly glyphs I hired withagain, was translated by a
person, whatever that kind ofjust goes back to like, just not
trusting, man.
Like I just need this comestraight from spirits.
Um, which is another reason divanation is so freaking awesome.
Um, so yes, that, it's very,very difficult to do that.

(50:07):
And number two, I would saydon't try, right?
I would say, Hey, don't try,come from a place where the
whiteness is not the center.
First of all, like if you canjust really start to train your
mind to come away from a whitesensor then because then you
become obsessed with this white.

(50:28):
I mean overnight,

Speaker 6 (50:31):
You me the same church, get out of here,

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Just stop and just make yourself dissenter, like
make your ancestors and centermake you listen to everything
that you freaking do and thingsjust sit naturally.
Eat something.
Talk about something wherethey're not the sensor and your
whole brain is going to be blownaway.
You're wellbeing.
It just, it just puts your pinpendulum right, where it needs

(51:00):
to be in our house.
Most of the things that we doare invented by people of color,
right?
But we get caught up in that.
We have to pay the light deal toa white organization, you know?

(51:21):
And if you just take a minuteand be centralized that for a
second, you realize you've givenher.
I'm like, I'm turning on thelight and I'm giving homage to
another brother.
Like if I need to inventsomething like Debra, they'll
come through in my, in myspiritual practice and that
ancestor, you write his namedown and he'll come through and
give you all the shit that youthink Tesla is, move, move your

(51:46):
pins going, boom, you guys haveit, the easiest, easiest.

(52:09):
All you got to do is go onFacebook.
All you gotta do is go onInstagram.
All you gotta do is like, youknow, Google have always found
my communities.
Um, I start with one and it justkind of spreads out.
So like when I moved to Atlanta,you know what I mean?
It's like, okay, I really lovemeditation.
And I would just type in, inGoogle maps child.

(52:30):
But I had to print the shit out,you know, meditation in Atlanta
and I would find a meditationcenter and then I would sit
there and I would be patient.
And then I would meet somebodynew at my kid's school.
And they would do like, I thinkI like meditation too.
And then I will bring her, youknow what I mean?
Like it's just really, so that'swhat I'm saying.
It's so much easier now really?

(52:52):
Like if you go online and youstart to see somebody that makes
sense, then you can either reachout to them.
Um, you can just sit in quietlyand see if they're actually
having things physically, youknow, you don't have to
automatically join nothing.
That's just cause you attend oryou're watching doesn't mean
that you have to be all of asudden committed to anything you

(53:13):
have to feel.
What's right.
Watch what they're doing.
See if it aligns with what it isthat you're doing, you know what
I mean?
Um, and you don't have to startbig, you know, you can start
with casual conversation.
Um, you don't have to do a wholeIowasca journey.
You know what I mean, with agroup of black women who are in
art, like you don't have to dothat.
You know, just one small thingat a time to build your own

(53:36):
trust in those communities.
Be very, very, very watchfulwhen you're first joining these
Facebook groups or theseInstagrams or whatever, be very
watchful about what it isthey're saying, who is saying it
and why, you know, if it's amillion people online putting
this bell on Instagram, youprobably don't want them.

(54:02):
If they're having conversations,that's the one thing.
But if they're straight upshowing all their workings, that
don't really make a lot ofsense.
That does not.
If somebody put in, if someone'sinstructing someone on how to
make a honey jar, that's the onething, you know what I mean?

(54:23):
That person maybe is the teacheror the mentor or whatever the
case may be.
But if everybody is constantlyon their showing their candle,
working in like, look, I'll getthe candle working in.
I, you know, my boyfriend brokeup with his ex girlfriend and
now we're back together.
Like, does that feel great?

(54:43):
That's what I mean by watchingslowly, see how you feel about
the groups that are doingwhatever they're doing.
And if you love breaking peopleup, then that's the group you
want to be in.
If you're the one who's like,no, I really love authentic love
and like bringing familiestogether, then watch the people
who are doing that.
And bit by bit, you'll find thepeople that gravitate towards

(55:06):
you and who speak your languagedeep, um, really, really deeply.
And then when you meet thepeople in person or on a zoom
conference or whatever, watchtheir behavior, watch how they
move, watch their pastures.
Like when you and I get on thephone, all of we're giggling and

(55:27):
I already know what that is.
It's our spirits being so happythat we saw each other, that we
met each other, that we got tocome together.
Like we can't even stop laughingfor the first five to 10
minutes.
We on a dang call.
Right.
So just be very patient andprotective and watching what

(55:49):
feels like joy to you and walkhome.
Cause that's what family feelslike.
And they're going to eventually,you know how family is child, I
got the ups and the downs, youknow what I'm saying?
So don't judge just becausethere's a down moment or
somebody calling you on yourcard, you know what I mean?
Or whatever, that's the truth ofbalance, you know?
So it's not going to be all likepickles and popsicles, you know,

(56:13):
but what, what feels good dead?
I'm

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Glad you brought that up.
Cause that's key.
Like, like, yes, it's easy tofind community like, or it's
easy to find folks on theinterwebs now.
Cause you know, uh, this isbecoming more popular,
especially like with all thisgoing on, Beyonce, all of that.
But um, it like really being,um, like being secure in

(56:48):
yourself and trusting yourinstinct is so key because you
have to have enough trust inyourself to, to know how to
discern things and what, whatworks for you and with you.
Um, and so that you're notalways in like guard mode, you
know what I mean?
And like putting up these wallsso you can't see the blessings

(57:11):
when they come.
Like you have to be able to beopen enough to see things that
don't mean you take it on thatdon't mean you take it in, you
just have to be open enough.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
That's where we're coming out with.
The solitary wish thing is likebeing so blocked that anything
out and you're not lettinganything in.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Yep.
Definitely.
Definitely.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Oh goodness.
Okay.
So can you tell me, um, tell usactually a little bit more about
, um, Mami Wata?
Cause I think that that likemommy Watson means a lot to me,
but I don't know if everyoneelse's familiar.
So can you tell me more aboutmommy WASA?

(57:59):
Um, and her story?
Cause we were talking about thisearlier.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
So mommy wants to, is a, is so most people who will
probably listening to this arefamiliar with, um, West African
EFI RFI, which is what everybodyhears about when they say the
Orisha.
Um, and so sometimes, uh, peopleare like, well, what's the

(58:25):
difference between the Resha andthe voodoo?
It's not a lot.
I'm not going to say it's likethis wide huge variation.
It's just a different tradition.
Um, and so mommy wants to is awhole plethora of spirits.
So you say mommy Watson didn'tthink about there being a
thousand spirits underneath thatumbrella and you kind of have

(58:46):
some star players or what haveyou, but they're this, this
whole Pantheon.
And then the Orisha had theirown Pantheon of spirits as well.
And so the things that you seewith Beyonce are a part of the
Aleisha and their, um, you know,lineage of fear and mommy wants

(59:10):
the it's just a tad bitdifferent than that.
And mommy Watson, the ancestorscome first, none of the other
spirits did you have to walkthrough the ancestors before you
can get those others.
So that's why family isimportant healing.
Your family is important.
Um, having your own solitarybase is very, very important

(59:31):
with mommy Lhasa.
And so the things that we see inthe media, um, around mommy
Watson are a woman with hugehair that has usually has like a
snake around her neck, or she'sa mermaid because mommy water is
water and it's pigeon, but it'sit's from what we understand,

(59:55):
mommy WASA was not derived fromthe English version of white
people saying that there's thatmommy is a mother and Watson is
WASA.
From what we understand, this isthis mommy WASA was its own
spirit.
And we told them like, this iswhat she's called, right?
So it's not Trump's pigeontranslated situation.

(01:00:19):
It's way we're doing is fromWest Africa beneath Tobo that
whole kind of coast.
And it's believed that thosetraditions came from Africa, not
just West Africa, but asAfricans moved throughout the
diaspora, they moved to WestAfrica from Subsaharan Africa,

(01:00:41):
from Egypt, et cetera, etcetera.
And that these, uh, priest andpriestess who are aligned with
mama WASA, it only comes throughyour blood.
It's not something that you canchoose.
So be very, very clear on whatI'm saying.
Anybody who's listening, you arenot a mommy WASA because you
want to be your mommy wants itbecause it runs through your

(01:01:03):
bloodline.
If something runs through yourbloodline, that means generation
after generation, aftergeneration, after generation,
all the way back to Egypt, allthe way back to Lucy.
These that is what is part ofyour birth and your birthright.
Um, and so a lot of times you'recalled to be mommy, lots of,

(01:01:24):
because it's already in yourblood, it's already what you are
past here to do as a priest.
There are people who canrecognize and have also to mommy
watch because that spirit willbenefit them in their life.
Is that, is that clear?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yes.
Um, there's like a, there's adifference.
Sorry.
I had myself on mute and ittakes a second for it to come
off.
Um, there's a difference betweenwhat is it called?
Like a vendor narrator and likesomeone who practices.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Yeah.
So I've been a writer.
You're there, you practice thatspirit loves you once they help
you to create whatever it is.
That's a part of your destiny.
We can help you.
Right?
And then there are those who arepriestess of mommy.
Watson who's normally do thework.
Mommy walked in messages apartof what's going on in their
bloodline.
The spirit helps them.
It usually helps the biggercommunity, et cetera, et cetera.

(01:02:22):
Um, and so that's thedifference.
And so the representation havealways been, you know, mermaids
and these kind of mythicalcreatures.
A lot of things happen aroundthe water, all that kind of
thing.
And water is your forced sourceof life, which again can be
associated with the mother, etcetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So it just keeps going on downthe road.

(01:02:42):
So mermaid to always be in apart of African mythology.
It's not a white concept conceptbecause the water exists in
mermaids exists images.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
It just so happens.
I have a birth sister namedAriel, which I think is

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Okay,

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
So yeah, like that's mommy Watson is[inaudible], you
know, it's a spirit of blue dune.
Like I told you, we don't justmean spirit.
Um, in that tradition is if yougo anywhere and you say spirit,
it's the same thing.
It's fearful because that's whatwhite folks have used to put you

(01:03:33):
in fear of that particular word.
Y'all, it's just the wordspirit.
Anytime you walk around and yousay spirits, you don't get
spills out.
So there's no reason for you tobe sucked out by blue.
It's just a translation.
I don't know what the Germanword for spirit is.
It's spirits.
These Mo I don't know, that'sprobably Spanish, but that's the
same thing as going to Beneenand saying, boom, you know what

(01:03:53):
I mean?
It's just the word, um, that nowhas become this huge thing for
folks to be afraid of.
So one of the greatest thingswith Vodoun is that it works
with your destiny.
It works with your ancestralspirits and they're no pump.

(01:04:14):
They are direct, they are clearand they do not care about you
feeling good, feeling good isis, is, you know, kind of just a
human thing, right?
Like, Oh, I just want to feelgood about blah, blah, blah.
So when you go get a mommy, areading is no guarantee that
you're going to come out feelinglike, Oh, bells and whistles.

(01:04:37):
No, because your ancestors arethere to put you on a mission.
And so it can be super brightbecause they're like, you're
already on your mission.
You're in alignment.
We just need you to do this,this and this.
But they're not these psychicreadings that you go in and
somebody tells, you know, whenyou feel, Oh, somebody saw me

(01:04:57):
and it feels so good and blah,blah, blah, which normally
people get in terrible carreadings and stuff like that.
Like, it's just all these fields, that feelings, because they
finally feel seen, they don'tfeel alone.
They feel like, Oh, now I knowspirits watching the boudin,
take that for granted.
Right?
Because they're like, of coursewe were watching you.
Of course, we're here.
We stand with every single day,we make sure that you're

(01:05:19):
breathing.
Like, what are you talkingabout?
So they're not in, in, in anykind of vein of making you feel
good during a reading.
Normally you go to get a mommy,watch the reading.
And all they're concerned aboutis if you're on your road, if
your family is safe, if you aresafe, if you are going to make
it to the finish line of yourlife.

(01:05:41):
And that is all of your road isyou're off your destiny.
If you have blocks, if somethinghas come on your road that is
taking you off your destiny,then we need to make sure we're
doing the work to get you backwith your star player.
And that you're walking the walkthat you're supposed to walk and
that you are free.

(01:06:04):
That's it.
And I, in my opinion, the Orishaare the same way.
They're there to give you tools.
They're there tell you thetruth.
They're there to empower you inwhatever way they empower your
gifts so that you can walk yourwalk.
I happen to be born a mommyWatsa if I was not born in mommy

(01:06:26):
what's I don't know whattradition I'll be born too, but
that's also what makes me soopen and not judgmental about
the whole Christian thing thatwe talked about.
Right?
Because I'm like, I don't know.
She might've been born to walkthe Christian path because she's
going to read, you know what Imean?
Like that truth aligns with herstar destiny for her, you know
what I mean?
So that's, that's what it'slike, you know what I mean?

(01:06:49):
That's what it is.
Um, and it's, everything is allinclusive.
You know, as I've grown older,there is no beginning and there
is no end to the voodoo becausespirit does not energy may
change, but it just neverdissipates.
And I'm always in awe, I'malways in awe.

(01:07:11):
And how it shows up, you knowwhat I mean?
In real life, in something thatI would have wore was bad.
Like, Oh, that's bad.
That's bad.
And then fear, they'll say, no,that's their lesson because
that's their destiny.
And they have to learn thatlesson to get to their highest
destiny.

(01:07:32):
Oh shit, let me shut up and justmake it need.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
You know, I'm like, wow.
She had two miscarriages.
Like why would this person, youknow, go through that?
That's so bad.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no youdon't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so when, like, if you cameto me and you had some type of

(01:08:00):
issue like that, we will firstgo to spirit.
I wouldn't just automaticallygive you herbs.
I would go and say, what isgoing on?
You know, it's, we're in pain.
We don't know why she's keepslosing her job.
What's going on.
You know, then the spirit says,okay, this is what's going on,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Now, and then we reset you, youknow what I'm saying?

(01:08:21):
On, on your destiny?
Or we say, yeah, you supposed todo those shots because you got
this, this and this coming oryou don't never listen, you keep
losing your job because youdon't never listen.
You know, I'm saying, so youkeep doing the same thing over
and over again.
If you start to listen, thenyou're good.
You know?
So it's why you just can't, youjust kind of got gotta come to
the table and you got to gothrough the much higher, higher

(01:08:42):
stores.
Also the reason that, becausethat's such a powerful tool, you
know, because the diva nation issuch a powerful tool.
That's also the reason why wedon't do reading alone.
Because what if the reader justlike, Oh yeah, I know what the
person's destiny is.
And I just manipulate it.
There's not another police thereto keep you accountable.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Yeah.
I'm saying you just add yourWilly nilly, doing whatever you
see what I'm saying and you havethe power.
Yeah.
Mommy wants to is, it's just somany things that you cannot do
alone.
You cannot do alone.
And when you go to spirit,they'll say, well, we can't do
that because you did that alone,but we don't even know they,

(01:09:30):
nobody would,

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I don't know what you were doing there

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Wow.
Okay.
So, so tell, tell us more aboutyour work.
Um, what are you currentlyoffering?
You were talking about some, um,one on one sessions in your bio.
What are, what, what are youcurrently working on and do?

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
So I still doing the salon, which is my natural hair
salon, but I also do theseone-on-one sound.
He was that I didn't even knowwere going to happen in the way
that they happen.
I just really enjoy doing soundhealing because it's so
nourishing for me.
And I do recognize, um, based onhow it happened with me, that

(01:10:22):
this was a bridge for me toconnect people with spirit
because of all of the rat race,because of all of the things
that happened in our lives.
Um, we tend to be disconnectedand again, compartmentalize.
And so just in rest alone, um,the reason I've worked with so
many people on just rest in, inbigger forums is because I

(01:10:46):
really understand how much justbeing able to consciously and
intentionally wrists reallyreconnect you with spirit,
really puts food on your heartand your soul for you to be able
to do your life's work.
So I was like, yo, I really wantto do this.
If I can just help people takenaps.
Intentional net is so differentthan exhaustion at the end of

(01:11:08):
the night, and then trying yourbest to get six hours of sleep.
It's a different experience.
It was like, this is so great.
So I started doing it and itjust became these amazing
shamonic experiences.
So from the person that mentoredme to me doing it myself, I was

(01:11:29):
like, Oh wow, people see colors.
Oh.
And then I can interpret thecolor that they see.
They will start to see theirancestors.
They will start to see spiritguides.
And then I was like, Oh my God,this is like a whole shamonic
experience, but there's not alot of conversation or talk or
expectation of like leadershipin terms of, um, uh, how do I

(01:11:50):
describe it?
I guess what I would say, like alot of moving parts, you know,
you just kind of come down andyou come, you lay down, you see
your colors afterwards.
I can kind of teach you evenwhat your colors are.
So you can just ask me one timeand I can tell you what they
are.
And from that point on, youcould have hidden more, uh,
found best in, see colors and beable to interpret it for

(01:12:11):
yourself.
Like, I'm really huge on peopledoing the work themselves.
So they don't put so muchemphasis on the priestess or the
guide or the shaman.
So I was like, this is supercool because this is the way
that people can empowerthemselves to understand what's
going on with them and connectwith spirits.
They get this like, yes.
Oh my God.
I love it.

(01:12:31):
So when I started to do them oneon one, which I had not done
them one-on-one before coded,you know, like the things that I
would do, I would go to people'shouses and do them for groups.
But nobody had ever really hiredme just to say, let me do it one
on one, everyone else.
I did one on one for you back tomy son, you know, like people
that I'll be trying to practiceon.

(01:12:51):
And these downloads startedcoming from spirit with them and
for me.
And so we, for me, meaning likefear would tell me what to say
to them.
And I didn't know that was goingto happen, but I didn't set out
six months ago to say, Oh, I'mgoing to give spiritual readings

(01:13:13):
during, I didn't know.
That was not a thing.
And from the very first one,that's just what started
happening.
And I was like, Oh, this is whyor anybody, even that comes to
me today, I'll still do like,y'all just crazy.
Like, I didn't, I didn't, Idon't know what they're going to
say.
And then when they say it, likeI've seen inside people's houses

(01:13:36):
and be like, Oh, you got abookshelf over here.
And fear the saying that wewere, they really loved that
book.
Like, I didn't know that wasgoing to happen.
So I'm blown away by theseexperiences.
And I honestly don't even knowhow to describe them on social
media.
Like I can try, but it just kindof, um, if I'm speechless within
it myself, I don't know how toput that in content form.

(01:13:59):
I don't know how to be abusiness woman in terms of
Instagram and showing people,Hey, this is, I don't know how
to advertise this thing.
That feels like a miracle forboth of us at that moment.
And so I, um, I have a hard timekind of like communicating what
it is.
So right now I'm still in themode of, of communicating what a

(01:14:24):
sound bath is.
Cause that's what I've beentrained to get content on is,
you know, a sound bath isintentional risk.
Um, it's a way for you toreconnect with your spirit, it's
time for you to, um, have timefor yourself.
Um, all those kinds of things.
I don't really know how toexplain that other side of what

(01:14:44):
happened.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Uh, um, and, and before you were doing these one
on ones, you did like check-insfor your, um, for your, for your
other work, like when you woulddo the sound bass, like, like in
person you would do like checkins and stuff.
Right.
Um, when you would check in tosee how the person was doing,

(01:15:09):
like after the whatever sessionthey did with Jane.
Yeah.
That was always a thing.
And that's, I really love thatabout you.
Like, what you do is like, it'snot just like, boom, boom,
you're done.
And then they go off like,

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Yeah, no, right now I have to email them back and let
them know like what happenedduring their, their sound bath.
I mean, where I got to gothrough and I just sit there and
like answer all the emails andget on a call with them or
whatever.
And just, that's probably what Ifeel like is one of the most
important things with the soundbath, you know what I mean?
I love that part of being ableto do like, Oh, you're having

(01:15:48):
the sound bad.
This is what happened to you.
You didn't make anything up.
Cool.
Now let's go into what thatmeans for you.
And somebody says, Oh, mysoldiers switched.
Okay.
Your shoulders switched.
I'm not, I've been trained onshoulder.
Twitching has to do with yourheart chakra.
Your heart chakra has somethingto do with you, either opening
or closing to love, blah, blah,blah.
You see what I'm saying?

(01:16:08):
That part is just things that Istudied throughout my entire
life, that not entire life stopline, since I was about 1718
that I studied and I was juststudying them for myself, super
excited.
And then when I get trained insound bad, it's like, all that
stuff came together for me to belike, Oh, now I can relay this
information to other people.

(01:16:29):
You know what I mean about whatgoes on.
So again, that's why I didn'tknow that I was going to get
these downloads because Ithought like, if it's a miracle
that I'm able to do all thisstudy for 15 years, you know
what I mean about all thisstuff.
And now I get to even talk topeople about what is going on in
their hearts, because they had aswitching during the sound bath.

(01:16:50):
This is cool as hell.
So then to take it that stepfurther and just get complete
telepathic communication.
Like I was like, yo, this isdope.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Yeah.
That's like next level, like, Ohmy God.
So that being said, Shana isblessing of the sensee community
, um, with a wonderful offer.
Um, so if you, um, use the promocode sun seed, um, you will get

(01:17:25):
20% off a virtual exhale or restritual with miss Shayna.
Um, so make sure you reach outto Shayna.
How, how can we reach out toyou?
How do we contact you?
How do we learn about yourservices?
Tell us them

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
I'm online.
I'm Shana.
Nunley, that's a long name, buthopefully you can look at it in
title.
So a lot of hands it's a lot ofales, y'all sorry.
Um, st.
And then lead.com and then onInstagram, um, connect with
Shayna.
And I think those are my onlytwo, um, Facebook, um, my first

(01:18:04):
and last name and my profile isopen.
And then my business page iscalled born free spirit.
And that there was no way forme.
I can't figure out Facebook tochange it, to connect with Shane
.
So right now it's more freespirit.
All those places you can emailme, you can schedule yourself
online.

(01:18:25):
Um, because I was going to hearbusiness I'm big on online
scheduling and, you know,empowering folks to like, just
get on the schedule when it'sbest for them.
So if you reach out, I'm mostlikely going to send you a link
and with a, if you've mentionedthe podcast and I'll also send
you what the promo code is, sothat you can schedule yourself
at the time, that's mostconvenient for you.

(01:18:48):
Um, the difference between thereis a difference between what I'm
offering.
So exhale is just a place foryou to exhale.
It's just a place for you to getyour sound bath.
And then again, if you wantquestions answered, that's cool,
but there's no spiritual readinginvolved in that.
It's just, you know, again, ifyou had a switching or colors or
something like that, we can talkabout that, but there's no

(01:19:09):
downloads or anything like that.
But then if you do rest ritualsand that's the full gamut of
everything,

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Okay, I'm going to have to sign for one of those
breast rituals.
I'm excited.
I'm so excited.
So I'm so make sure you reachout to Shayna, promo-code send
seed, and then that offer endsDecember 19th.
So make sure y'all get on that.
If you miss it, you can stillget on and connect with her, you
know, support black businesses,support black women.

(01:19:41):
Um,

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Oh, let me mention this too.
If you have an organization thatis a frontline worker, if there,
there are so many people who areactivists right now, all those
types of folks, if cost is anissue, please reach out.
I do group stuff.
So if you're a part of a groupand you want everybody to

(01:20:01):
experience this, whether it'stwo of y'all or this 20 of
y'all, let me know.
I'm there.
Like, just

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Let me know, shut up.
So my, you just now telling methis, let me just sign up
everyone.
Now, we all come.
I am so grateful that you haveonce again, blessed us with your

(01:20:34):
trues, with your personality,with your time.
Thank you so much, Shana forbeing in.
Let me say to you that all of us.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for allowing us tospeak so freely and for all

(01:20:55):
those everybody who's listening.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for just showing up tobuild this platform and to do
what you're doing.
This is brave.
It's really, really, really,really brave.
And we're really, we are reallyproud.

(01:21:18):
Just take it in and just say,thank you.
Thank you.
Um, so for this BiPAPcelebration, give away, uh, make
sure you post on IgE and orFacebook, a picture of
something.
Um, you feel safe sharing aboutyour magical practice, um, and

(01:21:39):
your favorite quote from thisepisode, I know I have written
down a couple of quotes fromShayna.
Where's the wisdom and make sureyou tag connect with Shayna and
the SSE, um, handle as wellcommunity.
And then your handle will beputting in a drawing for a free
60 minutes herring with me.
I'm going to have to rethink mytear readings.

(01:22:00):
So I'm gonna have to get aholdof squat, squat.
I love that would be amazing.
So make sure y'all are doingthat.
Make sure you reach out to Shanaand get to know her work.
She is so dope.
So dope.
This has been amazing Shane andthank you.
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
That's it.
Yo, that's a show big thank youto black dream escape for
providing us with the intro andoutro music for season two.
We sincerely love your work andhope breasts comes to us all and
big thank you to Vesta forproducing our small but mighty
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Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Yes.
Well, come, come, come.

(01:23:41):
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