June 23, 2025 • 51 mins
Meet Tim and Ade, the charismatic British brothers behind the Casual Camping Podcast who have built their show on authentic outdoor experiences and infectious laughter. When they joined us, we discovered how their weekly phone conversations about camping gear and adventures naturally evolved into a podcast—now in its third successful season.
What makes their approach unique in the outdoor content space is their commitment to keeping camping accessible and fun. Unlike many gear-focused channels, Tim and Ade prioritize light-hearted discussions that celebrate the joy of outdoor experiences. Their no-sponsorship policy allows them complete freedom to share honest opinions about equipment and destinations. As they jokingly shared, if you skip forward 10 seconds repeatedly through any episode, you'll essentially create a laugh track—a testament to the genuine brotherly banter that forms the heart of their show.
Our conversation revealed fascinating contrasts between UK and Canadian camping cultures. While Canadians enjoy Crown Land camping with remarkable freedom to explore wilderness areas, UK campers face significant restrictions with limited wild camping opportunities and private ownership of many waterways. This led to enlightening discussions about how we adapt our camping styles to our environments—from Tim's beloved three-meter bell tent (his "one-man tent" complete with wood-burning stove) to Ade's enthusiasm for winter camping with modern amenities.
Both podcast teams shared personal insights about what makes camping special: the community that forms around campfires, the balance between adventure and comfort, and knowing your personal limits when planning trips. Whether you're new to camping or an experienced outdoor enthusiast, there's something refreshingly genuine about their approach that reminds us all why we seek these connections with nature and each other.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and good day.
Welcome to the Super GoodCamping Podcast.
My name is Pamela.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
And we are from supergoodcampingcom.
We're here because we're on amission to inspire other people
to get outside and enjoy campingadventures such as we have.
Today's guests are two brothersfrom the UK that love all
things camping related.
With the shortest introductionever, please welcome Tim and Ade
from Casual Camping Podcast.
Hey, welcome, hello.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thank you, oh, thanks for coming.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, cool.
So I actually have no idea howI heard about you guys in the
first place, but I remember itwas pretty early on.
You were within a few episodesand I went, hey, cool, that
sounds interesting.
And then you guys are just likeclowns.
You crack each other up all thetime.
So it was a really fun listenbecause you literally spend
(00:53):
almost 50% of the time justlaughing, which is fabulous At
any time.
Right, it's always a goodfeeling of things and it's
obvious you're both passionateabout getting outdoors and doing
all the things.
So tell us what.
What got you into it?
Well, sorry, I should mentionyour brothers for starters.
(01:14):
Um, what got you into what?
What got you into camping?
And then, how did you go?
Hey, we should do a podcastabout this gosh, the two big
questions.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
So I'm I'm tim and uh , and the this one that will
speak now is aid hello it'sprobably easy if we do that the
other way around.
So so, if I give a bit of a bitof a, a quick, um, quick sort of
(01:48):
history of the podcast really,and then, and then we can dive
into why, why camping, becausethat's, that's probably a much
longer conversation.
Um, okay, we're just twobrothers who, um, we've been
doing this now we're in ourthird season and, uh, we before
we did this, we just weren'tspeaking to each other often
(02:10):
enough and when we did, we werejust always talking about
camping and camping adventures.
We've been on campingadventures, we wanted to go on
bits of camping kit, we boughtand and we just kind of said,
you know what, why don't we do apodcast?
And we just talk about campingand um, and, and we started
doing it.
But that enabled us.
(02:32):
You know it meant that actuallywe had to, we had to speak to
each other every week and youknow that just kept kept us
close in contact and kept us,kept us together really and and
um, and here we are in our inour third year and we're still
putting out show every week.
We take, you know, we finish.
Our season kind of goes fromthe first, first um week of
(02:55):
February to the first week ofDecember.
So we take the rest of Decemberand January off and and relax
and then we, we start again.
We don't stop camping thenbecause we, we do camp 12 years,
uh, 12 months of the year.
But, um, but yeah, this, uh,that's kind of the the history
of the podcast.
We, we, we're not sponsored, wedon't do paid partnerships.
(03:16):
We just like to shout outreally quality gear and quality
campsites and places that we'vebeen um, and we think that not
being sponsored means we, wejust maybe have a little bit
more integrity than than otherother things.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
It's um, but uh, but that's that's it in in a, in a
nutshell, I suppose yeah, Ithink tim's been a little bit
modest there, so he was thedriving force between, uh, to
start with, to say we should berecording this, because we did
come off the phone every weekjust laughing about what we'd
(03:51):
done, or as only brothers do.
You know each other very wellso you can take and rib the
other one a little bit more, andI think we both do that very
well to each other, and you knowit always came away quite
uplifted that I've spoken to mybrother and we've also gone
through all of those things thatwe both have a love for, like I
(04:14):
say mainly gear, and wherewe're going camping and who
you're going camping with andwhat kind of site it would be.
Um, which is something thatwe've been doing for 20, 30
years.
We, um, we realized that wecame to camping late.
Uh, we weren't taken aschildren, like I think some
(04:35):
other people were.
Uh, which I've come to realize.
Uh, depending on how you weretaken as a child, whether or not
it was done, well, some peoplelove it, some people hate it and
, yeah, for everybody that wespeak to goes oh no, I don't
like camping.
It reminds me of familyholidays years and years ago and
(05:09):
, yeah, we out having that peacethat you know you've got to put
yourself out there in order tohave those sunrises or that
campfire moment and those things.
So, yeah, really, that's kindof what we talk about.
And now that we're in our thirdseason, it's about sort of that
(05:31):
content of how do we progressit, how do we, you know, make it
interesting not only for us,because I think we can yak away
quite happily about what we'redoing and what we might spend
our money on or what we'reupdating our gear with.
But, yeah, keeping itinteresting for our listeners,
as well as being quitelight-hearted, being really
positive, but having a laugh isprobably the main thing that we
(05:55):
want to do.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of shows out there and there's a
lot of people on YouTube and onsocial media where they do like
deep dives into pieces ofequipment and they're great and
I watch those, we both watchthose.
But that's not us where youknow it's.
We like to keep it light.
You know, the reason it'scalled casual camping podcast is
(06:18):
because we like to keep itlight-hearted.
You know we are well, supposeyou could jokingly call us
experts in, uh, in what, inexperts in what we do, I suppose
.
But, um, but it, you know, we'vegot a lot of gear.
We we've, we, we were adding upthe other day how many tents
each of us have and and thedifferent ways that we can go
(06:40):
camping at different times.
But, um, but actually, you know, we like it to be light-hearted
and the show is light-heartedand and, as aid says, you, you
can take the mick out of, out ofeach other in in only the way
that brothers can, and uh, andwe hope that comes across we, we
get good feedback fromlisteners, so, um, so I think
(07:02):
what we're doing works.
We certainly can't do it anyother way, can we aid?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
well, no, I think one of our listeners did say to us
if you press the forward buttonfor like 10 seconds jump, 10
seconds jump, all you've got isa show of laughing yeah, you
know if you, if you need toraise a smile, I think that's uh
(07:28):
, that's a good thing.
And you know we we have had somegreat experiences, uh, over the
years.
I think we're having some greatexperiences with doing a
podcast.
Uh, it's quite a niche area.
It's not something there wasn'tan awful lot of when we were
looking at them.
There wasn't an awful lot outthere, um, and yeah, you know
(07:53):
it's um.
We're not going to be able togive up our day jobs, I don't
think, but we are enjoying whatwe do and having that bit where
we're not sponsored.
I think those early episodes Iwas uh mentioning quite a lot I
had to tell you to stop askingso if you'd like to sponsor us
(08:14):
um, and then really afterwardsit, we started to realize that
our unique perspective is thatyou, without putting yourself in
somebody's category of you,have to talk well about their,
their gear, their site orproduct or whatever it is we can
(08:38):
.
You know, we've set ourselvessome rules.
We're positive about things.
We don't want to just, um,disparage something.
You know somebody's probably uhhard-earned sort of effort to
go on there.
But yeah, we want to try and bepositive about it, we want to
have a laugh and, yeah,hopefully keep it interesting
(08:59):
yeah, same to your point aboutuh wanting to be sponsored.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
There there was.
There was a time where it'slike, come on, somebody's got to
sponsor us, come on.
And also with the not giving upthe day jobs, you wouldn't be
able to do your podcast becauseit's far too expensive to buy
all that gear, to buy the nicemicrophones, to all that sort of
jazz.
Like yeah no, I actually haveto do my day job in order to be
(09:24):
able to do the podcast totallytotally, totally I think I am.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I came across your show, um, when I was researching
camping podcasts, um, at thepoint when we were, we were
coming on and, um, I listened to.
You know, there's not a hugeamount of camping podcasts out
there.
There's a few, it is, it isniche um, but I, I got listening
to your show and of all theones I listened to, um and I'm
not just saying this yours isthe only one that survived, uh,
(09:50):
this long and I I've stayed withyou, I know I know, I know I
can't help it.
It is actually true, though itis actually true all the other
ones have died by gone by thewayside because they, um, they
were just a bit boring reallyand uh, and I love your show
because it's just, it's just areally gentle show about, about
getting out in the outdoors andand and being out, you know,
(10:14):
properly outdoors you guys, youguys do it properly, you do
expeditions and stuff like thatcompared to what we do, but, um,
but the way you talk about itis just, it's just really it's a
really gentle way of talkingabout camping and it's it's a
it's a good listen.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We appreciate that man, it's the it's.
That's why we do that sort ofyou know, 30, 45 minutes episode
sizes.
It's somebody, I guess, oncetold us that it was it's a
snackable size and that's kindof what of what we want to do.
I don't want people having anap because we've been droning
(10:51):
on for ages and ages and ages.
It's like here's some coolstuff, here's some cool people.
Do the things I don't get, asyou guys do way better.
Sort of gear reviews becauseyou dive into what works for you
, why you bought that piece ofgear.
Reviews because you dive intowhat works for you, what, why,
why you bought that piece ofgear, what, what it was missing
in your kit in the first place,and then, and then how it, how
(11:13):
it has played out.
So I like that about yours.
Uh, I did have a question.
I, to the best of my knowledge,I don't listen to every episode
of anybody other than usbecause I have to edit it.
To the best of my knowledge,you've only had one guest and it
wasn't terribly long ago.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
It was the fellow from Greenland, yeah, hugh
Thomas, who joined our, so we'reon Facebook.
And then, and then on facebook,we've got a, a, um, casual
camping podcast facebook groupand he some, which is great, by
the way, just saying thank youvery much, thank you, fabulous
engagement, it's good, it isgreat engagement on there.
It, um, it is brilliant.
But somebody else invited himto the group telling him they
(12:01):
thought he should join this,this group, and um, and he
started putting pictures of hisadventures on there.
So I just private messaged himand said your pictures are
amazing.
Who are you, um, what do?
you do, and thankfully he waslike, he was quite engaged and
uh, and after a few few messagesover a few days, I just said do
(12:21):
you want to come on the show?
Because we're never going to goaid and I are never going to go
to the arctic and camp.
You know we're never.
We're never going to do that.
You know we would love to dothat, but the opportunity we'd
love to do it, but yeah yeah,realistically, there's an awful
lot in the way to to actually doyeah but but isn't that what
youtube's about?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
you know that you can sort of get your fix of
somebody.
You know you can see the upsand downs.
I'm watching somebody, uh, ab,camping at the minute, who's
just done six episodes in Alaska, and you know, just seeing what
somebody has to go through todo that, and I was like, yeah,
great, I've done that in thecomfort of my own home.
(13:02):
I like to get out there, butyou know either funds or other
things that are prohibited forsome of those things.
So it's piggyback along andwatch what other people are
doing and get ideas and seetheir kit, and it inspires me to
go shopping, which it reallyshouldn't do, but you know, and
(13:23):
just things that might make thatnext experience, whether that's
by yourself or or with otherpeople, better.
You know, I think that's thething.
It's.
Um, I was listening to one ofyour uh.
You were saying to tim on uh,one of the recent episodes that
(13:44):
you know how to do.
Um, uh, all the fire lightingand stuff.
You just choose not to uh whenyou and I think you know that.
Similarly, you know we haveblow torches.
I do like to uh, you know howto do all the other things.
But you know actually, whenneeds must, it's cold, you're
hungry, let's get the blowtorchon it, just those things.
(14:07):
So so yeah, we've got some ideaand we've got gear, where I
think somebody was saying to uh,you know, recent camping one,
all the gear and no idea.
I was like I think we've gotsome idea yeah, I think I think
we, we, we pretend.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
A good pretend, I suppose, is uh, is you know we,
uh, we, we do know how to lightfires and we need to.
We know, we know, certainlyknow how to use all the kit that
we've got.
It's um.
But going, going back to yourpoint in um about guests, um, so
, hugh, uh, hugh was our recentguest, but, um, we've done a,
(14:44):
we've done a few, haven't we ate?
we, um, we had yeah we had leedonald who, um, uh, went up
mount everest 12 exactly 12months ago.
Um, so she, she's from aberdeen, uh, in scotland, and she, uh,
we followed sort of her journey.
We actually had a GPS trackerlink so I woke up.
(15:08):
Bizarrely enough, I woke up atabout half past one in the
morning and her GPS tracker wason the top of Everest, and it's
just like crazy.
And then two weeks later shecame on the show, which was
brilliant.
But yeah, we've had a fewguests, we haven't had a lot,
we're still I don't know.
(15:28):
I get really nervous we'restill nervous, yeah I'm quite
nervous today.
You can probably tell um, we'venever been interviewed.
This is the first time anyone'sasked us to do this, which is
um, so it's uh.
It's a new experience wherewe're used to just talking to
each other and taking the mickout of each other.
Adding other people into themix requires an extra level of
(15:51):
professionality that we mightnot have.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, there's also a lot of prep to it.
There can be.
I mean, when we do guestepisodes, I write the the sort
of intro bio thing.
So I have to, I have to knowwho it is, what, what, what I
have to say about them.
We used to do a whole likepages of questions and talking
(16:19):
points and stuff like that.
Now.
Now it's just like yeah, youknow, I would hazard, we've done
a hundred episodes with guests,so it's I don't need to say
anymore wow wow, yeah, and Ithink for us we have done
questions.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think, uh, how we bounce off each other can be
quite difficult when you add athird person into that that we
don't necessarily know that well.
So when we find that there issomebody interesting who's
willing to do it, uh, then we'llput ourselves out there.
But yeah, it's um, yeah, so farI think they've gone down very
(16:59):
well.
They're certainly not bombed asepisodes, uh, which you you
know, you you start to look atsort of trends in listening and
who who's listening, wherethey're listening and how many
downloads that week.
But yeah, you know we're, we'reconsistent with what we do,
thankfully.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, well, you are, it's but that's, but that's why
that your, your listener, saidyou just push the 10 second and
it and's a laugh track.
See, it doesn't matter whatepisode 10 seconds that's
awesome.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Do you guys find as well certain recordings?
You know we we come away fromthem and go, oh that was a
really good episode.
And others where we've maybenot, we've talked and given a
lot more facts and informationabout what we're doing and we we
kind of realize, oh actually,is that different?
Is that drier than our usualone?
(17:56):
So, uh, yeah, sometimes you youquestion yourself an awful lot
about, um, what your listenersmight think, but you know, so
far it seems to be working forus yeah, yes, same time.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's a hobby, so I don't.
I'm not going to lose sleepover it.
We do.
We do spend time discussing itin between episodes.
But the actual like yourecorded it's like I'm done, I'm
editing that, I'm publishingthat it's I'm done.
It's a hobby, it's not my job,it was my job.
Maybe they like nope, scrapthat episode, or we're going to
totally, you know, chop it up ina different way.
(18:35):
I take ums and ahs out.
I take out if I sneezed orsomething that's it.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, I, um, I, I do the editing and I'm the same.
Actually.
I edit it as quickly as I can.
I take out some ums and ahs orsome gaps and things like that
that I've made a note of aswe've kind of gone through, but
otherwise I edit it, I upload it.
I'm kind of done then, and sowe try to record earlier in the
week, early on, sort of seasonone and and part of season two.
(19:08):
We we weren't quite so rigidand actually we were both
incredibly busy with our dayjobs and our lives.
We had quite a lot going on andand often it got to sort of
Wednesday evening or Thursdayevening and we were recording
and our episodes go out on aFriday morning 4am GMT.
So it was just it always meantthat's a late night, for for me
(19:31):
I've got to edit as quickly as Ican.
To be honest, it's taught me toedit it was fine for me I
didn't mind it, you could do allof this.
I'm sure you just don.
You just don't bother to learnit so that you don't have to do
it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
No habla inglese.
Oh gosh oh dear.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, it's a good uh, the I would say technically for
sure, your, your episodes havegotten better over the years.
Uh, I think you know, I meanit's a, it's a learning curve,
right.
So you become quicker at it,become better at it.
I know there was an episodewhere I spent I think it was
(20:19):
just about eight hours justediting the audio.
It was an hour and changeepisode and it was just.
It was so full of extraneousnoises and it made me crazy and
that was the one that broke me.
That's when we finished off theepisodes we had in the can
because we tend to record fartoo far ahead and I finished
(20:40):
those off and we went on ourfirst hiatus.
That was the end of the threeand a half years, something like
that.
It was just crazy yeah, it'stoo much.
It's too much.
I went I'm gonna burn out andit's it's again.
It's a hobby, yeah, it's ahobby I love doing it.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
It's meant to be fun.
It's meant to be fun.
You can't, you can't, um, if itstops being fun, you've got to.
You've got to stop doing we.
We've we've said that if, um,if it stops being fun, you've
got to stop doing it.
We've said that If it stopsbeing fun, if it becomes an
arduous task that we've got todo, then you know that will come
across when you're talking,it's you know.
So you've got to call it a day.
At the moment, you know, I turn50 next month.
(21:17):
I'm not sick of it just yet.
You know, I think we'veprobably got a few more years to
go before I'm sick of it.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
As I'm the older brother, I sometimes get sick of
him, but With age comespatience.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
That's it, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It's comedy effect.
It right, you're.
You're the old gold retriever,I'm the young jack russell nice,
nice brothers.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So you guys get out a decent amount of camping.
Um, what's your favorite?
What's your favorite style ofcamping?
Meaning spring camping, wintercamping?
You have, you have a tent youlike to use.
You like to do it, you know,cooking over the fire as opposed
to cooking over the butanestove or what have you stove or
(22:26):
what have you.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, well, for, and I think it changes.
It has changed for me quiterecently because, uh, about two
years ago I got my first canvastent, uh, and that, yeah, I
don't know what it is about it,whether it's more breathable as
a fabric, but that has reallychanged how I view camping.
So my favorite tent at theminute is a robin's prospector
(22:47):
shanty.
It's a three meter by threemeter poly cotton tent.
Got it really quite cheap,which is always a bargain.
We're from yorkshire, so youknow chasing those savings and
just thought that would bedifferent than the other tents
that I've got.
Winter is certainly my favoritetime.
(23:09):
We came quite late to stoves intents and just the difference,
it extended that camping aroundthe world.
It doesn't get particularlycold here in the UK anymore, but
it does mean that you can getout there and you can have a
(23:31):
very good, nice, comfortablenight in a tent.
So, yeah, for me it's winter,definitely at the minute, and
the use of those other otherthings if you put in a stove in
a tent it's better to be cotton.
It doesn't go, it doesn't meltin the same way that the other
ones made which I've had.
That experience tried it.
(23:55):
Tried it with a synthetic tentand, uh, there's too many sparky
burns on that, so yeah, oh yeahthat's booby that's an
expensive lesson.
It's like equipment that letsyou down is dead to me after it
lets you down, so I patched itand sold it.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
It's got content, yeah I, um, I, I suppose you
know we, we camp in all sorts ofdifferent ways and you know,
last week's episode was abouthammock camping.
I literally tried hammockcamping for the first time last
weekend.
It's definitely something I'mgoing to be doing again.
I had the most comfortablenight's sleep I've ever had.
(24:34):
I thought I was going to bereally uncomfortable and it
would be an awkward sleepingposition and my back's not great
and all of those things.
I have to say.
I slept so well.
So I will definitely be doingthat again.
But Ada and I I don't know ifyou've got this term over there,
but we class ourselves as carcampers.
(24:54):
So we load up the car and ifyou take in the car, you may as
well fill the car, because youtake in the car anyway.
So we take, we take a lot, of,a lot of gear predominantly, um,
I, certainly, you know I, Iwill fill up the car.
I've bought a bigger car to putmore stuff in it and put a roof
(25:15):
rack on it, just to get morestuff.
But, um, so, yeah, so we, we,we class ourselves as car
campers really.
So we, we can take, take asmuch stuff because we, we talk
often on the show about.
You know, camping doesn't needto be uncomfortable.
You know, you, you can take alot of comforts with you, and
and by comforts, you know we, wedon't do electric hookup or
(25:36):
anything like that um, that's,that's certainly not somewhere
that we're we're thinking ofgoing down.
But you, you can take acomfortable bed, you can.
You can take a decent stove,you can.
You know, you can make freshground coffee out in the field
quite comfortably and, um, andyou need all those sort of
gadgets and toys with you to todo that with.
So, um, so we load it all inthe car and go off to to a
(26:00):
campsite somewhere or campground, as you'd say, over there, and,
um, and then get it all in thecar and go off to a campsite
somewhere or campground, asyou'd say, over there, and then
get it all out and stay therefor a few days as a bit of a
base camp.
But at the same time, you know,I've done solo, you know,
hiking somewhere, camping, anddone that on my own and done
(26:20):
that on my own.
My favourite tent at the momentis my.
I've got two bell tents, twocanvas bell tents, I've got a
four metre and a three metre andmy favourite one really is my
three metre.
I'll call it my baby bellbecause it's.
Although it's a three metrebell tent, I class it as a one
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man tent.
A one man because it means Ican get a whole camp bed in it,
which does take up one side ofthe central pole.
I've got a wood burning stovein there that takes up another
sort of third really of the tent, or you know, a quarter of the
tent and then the rest of it.
There is sort of a littlecooking area and seating area
for when the weather's bad um.
But it's a it's a great tent.
(27:01):
It also means that you know,I'm over six foot.
It means I can stand up next tothe pole and put my trousers on
and get dressed properly andactually stand up.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I yeah, I'm getting a bit old dance come on, you have
to admit you have danced inyour tent I have danced in my
tent.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I have danced in my tent, yeah, but uh, but I, I,
you know I've taken that wintercamping.
You know it doesn't get as coldas it used to here, but it was
minus five when I was wintercamping in that and, uh, I had a
.
I mean, you guys, you get loadsof snow here, we, we don't get
a lot of snow anymore.
So I I was chasing chase.
For years I've been chasing awinter where we get enough snow
(27:45):
for me to actually go campingand wake up with snow.
And I did manage to wake upwith a blanket of snow that
morning.
So it was, it was great, propertick off the bucket list.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But um, yeah, and I'm very envious still.
I think the most snow that wehave ever seen really was.
We emigrated to Canada when wewere when I was 13, Tim was nine
, spent a couple of years therewith family and it didn't work
out, unfortunately, but we havegreat memories of being in
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British Columbia for quite a fewseasons in british columbia for
uh, quite a few seasons.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
So bc is gorgeous, man it's.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You can't if you're, if you're an outdoor lover, you
can't go wrong in bc.
It was just beautiful,absolutely beautiful.
We were, um, uh, we lived increscent beach just south of
vancouver and um, just uh, Idon't have a lot of childhood
memories before then, to behonest, because there was just
so much stuff going on in thosetwo years and and playing with
friends and and you know,particularly being on the coast,
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so there was just so much goingon, you know, on the water,
fishing or anything.
They um, those two years arekind of my.
My childhood memories are allkind of made up of of our time
in canada.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
It was, it was epic really was yeah, maybe that's
the, the influence of what.
Where we are now tim.
Yeah, maybe because there wasjust some big spaces and you
know, I just remember beingoutdoors so much, um, you know.
So maybe that that's the thingof how do we get outdoors.
The UK is obviously much, muchsmaller.
(29:23):
I think you can fit France andthe UK into just British
Columbia, so there's a lot morebuilt up.
We don't have the wildernesses.
The right to roam is only inScotland have the wildernesses.
(29:45):
Um, the right to roam is only inscotland, uh, so, yeah, getting
out there is a lot aboutcampsites, it's a lot about
meeting up with friends.
It's getting that time togetherwhere you can meet up and sit
around a fire and and talk a lotof nonsense and compare your
setups and see what other peopleare doing.
I think the one thing thatkeeps us coming back is that
(30:06):
just the brilliant people thatwe meet you know people that
have got a similar um outlook uh, we went to bushcraft shows
last year just the amount ofpeople that are so friendly,
that are so open, that stop byand just chat, and that's
getting rarer.
You know people as they closedown a little bit more, don't
(30:30):
talk to their neighbors as muchas they used to do and things.
And yet you know we find thatwith the camping community our
facebook group really runsitself.
People put so much on there thatyou know we're really really
grateful for that and that isabout inspiring others to get
out there, and when you seesomebody's out there, like this
(30:50):
weekend, you think, right, Iwish I was out.
Why, why am I not camping thisweekend?
The weather's great, it's um,you know there's a, and I think
that's the thing about trying toinspire to get out the
following week or plan your nexttrip, wherever that is.
And then some of those, likethe interviews that we've done
about greenland or whatever is,there's people that are doing
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longer things and, you know,doing more expeditions and
getting out there on a longerjourney.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So yeah, much as I would love to do that, that you
know, huge alaska trip or orwhat have you I I'm not less
stroud like it's, that's not.
You know, I I do.
I do eight, eight days with oureldest and that's that's.
(31:41):
I'm good, you know it's.
I know what my, my physicallimits are.
Yeah, I'm excited to do it.
You mentioned the bushbushcraft show.
Do you guys have a?
Is it just?
Do you have one show thateverybody gets together at, or
do you have?
Are there other shows thathappen out there?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
there's quite a quite a few.
There's one main one thatthankfully, is quite uh, local
to to both of us, in the middleof the uk.
There are other ones that arethat we've not been to really.
I think that was our firstintroduction to it last year and
it was just great to get somepeople that are showing really
(32:21):
primitive skills and everythingfrom butchering um, hunting and
fire making you know the thewhole gamut of it, as well as a
lot of knife stalls, so that youcan spend quite a lot of money
if you wanted to um so all thegear is there, so it yeah.
It really ticked an awful lot ofboxes and, unlike any other
(32:44):
show festival, uh, everybody waswalking around with a knife
strapped to their belt, whichwas just really good, so, yeah
it was.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It was interesting, wasn't it?
It's um, it's a.
It's the side of the campingcommunity we hadn't come across
before.
And although we've, you knowwe've done lots of you know fire
, you know we've I've you boughtme a book eight years and years
ago on multiple ways to to setfire to things and like and
start fires.
Sorry, not set fire to things,start fire right there's a
(33:19):
subtle difference there um sowe've been.
We'd kind of been into a bit ofbushcraft without knowing we
were into bushcraft really, andthen just through the show
actually, of meeting peoplethrough the show and some of our
audience got us talking to theorganisers of the bushcraft show
, and then we went along and itwas great actually, there are
(33:42):
really really really quite kindand open community who have all
of these incredible skills andknowledge and they just share
them freely with you and theyjust want, want you to know what
they know and uh, it's, it'squite, it's quite a cool
community of people.
It's uh, they, they are, theyare great we found the absolute
(34:03):
thing yep, yeah, absolutely it's.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's the.
I think everybody, well, Ithink I think anybody that
spends time like like campingand and soaking up that
experience, then becomessomewhat of a protector of of
nature, of of that sort ofexperience.
(34:26):
So anything that that they cando to make your experience be
even better, so that youcontinue to protect that thing
that we all love to do, I.
It's a win for everybody.
So that's that's kind of what Itake on what, the what, the
underlying philosophy of whyeverybody's so open, why they
share all the their knowledge,and stuff like that.
(34:48):
Yeah, if they get you excitedabout knives, you'll buy a more
expensive one so totally yesit's on my list.
It's on my list I literally Ijust bought a safety knife for
for on the on the uh, on my pfd.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
So yeah, interesting that you say you know your
limits, uh, about when, uh,what's comfortable for you, when
, when you're out there, andwe've spent quite a few shows
revisiting that.
I think one of our best showswas first time.
Camping was certainly one ofthe uh most downloaded for us,
(35:28):
uh, which is talking about our,our experiences of not uh, not
overestimating yourself.
You know, don't go right.
First time I'm off camping I'mgonna go for seven days.
Hella, high water, um, easeinto it.
You know, make sure that you'vegot the gear.
You don't have to buy the gear.
(35:49):
You could borrow the gear, youcould go with somebody or, you
know, just don't, don't sort ofput yourself off before you've
even started with it.
Um, and I, I think that's thething I love, camping, but I, I
know I have my limits too.
You know, I'd like toexperience more different ways.
I'm certainly going to have ago at hammock camping, uh, but I
(36:11):
would also, you know, know howlong I can go for.
And yeah, I'm sort of with youthere.
About seven, eight days isabout my tolerance really yeah,
same, same here.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
And we've got a camping trip the end of this
month.
We're going up tonorthumberland, which is sort of
northeast of england.
There's big empty beachesthere's.
There's nobody up there.
It's it's big sort of expansiveopen beaches up there and it's
beautiful.
Um, I'm going with my other half, I mean we're going as a bit of
(36:42):
a group but everybody else iskind of dropping in and dropping
out and just doing a couple ofnights.
I'm going up with my other halfand we're going to do five
nights.
I'm okay with that.
Probably seven nights isprobably my, my limit really,
before I I want to go and get aproper wash and get and get
cleaned.
My, my other half, um, mypartner, she's, she's not camped
more than three nights before.
(37:04):
So that's, that's going to be alittle a little a little test.
Um, but we booked a where, asaid said, we you kind of got to
camp on campsites in, certainlyin england.
Uh, there's no, there's no realwild camping, and so we book to
book to site that, accordingly,has got, has got facilities on
(37:25):
it, so it's, it's got a decentshower block, it's, it's got you
know, hot water and you know inthe washrooms and things, so
that you know, I know, I know,hopefully she'll, she'll be okay
with with five nights, becausethat's, you know, it's quite,
it's quite a jump to go fromthree nights to five nights when
she's not.
She's not a big camper.
She's not been camping before,um the last couple of years when
(37:48):
we got together, so so it'sstill relatively new for her.
She's, she's loving it, butit's um you gotta.
You gotta kind of appreciateyou know your own limits and not
push somebody else to yourlimits, because I've been
camping for years and and mylimits are kind of honed, really
, as of what I can do.
But um should be a good tripthough, shouldn't it?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
oh, it should be, and you know she should consider
herself lucky that, uh, she'sjoining somebody that's got all
of the the gear, you know shedoesn't have to go through those
airbeds that you know are verythin and go down halfway through
the night there's a fire in thetent, all of those things.
She's come in at sort of peaklevel, I think.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
And she did enable me to buy a four-meter bell tent
as well.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
So that's why I've got the larger bell tent.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
That's excellent.
That's a perfect way to look atit.
Yeah, uh, so so there's no, wehere, we call it crown land
camping, where, if, if it's,it's technically it's owned by
the people.
The province wrangles it, butwe own it, so we're allowed to
camp pretty much anywhere for upto 28 days, and then you have
(39:10):
to move it.
We're actually just starting to.
We've just planned a five-nighttrip to a piece of crown land
sometime in september.
So should be interesting.
I, I do, I, we, we do, pamelaand I do front country camping
(39:31):
most of the time, although shedid do a three day last fall, um
, and she's, she's going to comeout for this, the five day,
this, this, uh, september.
I don't, I'm not never adverseto having a shower like, but you
know, and she's going to comeout for the five-day this
September, I'm never adverse tohaving a shower Like, you know,
when the big kid and I are inthe backcountry and we hit day
(39:51):
four, day five, I'm going to tryto be.
I don't want people to bedownwind of me.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I don't want them to be downwind of me.
Even the bears are turning awayfrom you going.
No, it's spoiled, Exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Even the mosquitoes are turning away from you going.
No, it's spoiled, even themosquitoes are turning away yeah
, we, we don't really have uhcrown land.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
What um?
What's that bit down incornwall, devon area?
Tim near x.
Is it xmas?
Speaker 4 (40:22):
uh, you're meaning dartmoor so we've, got we've got
national parks, um, we've got anumber of national parks up and
down the country which are wildspaces that you have, you have
the right to roam on so you canwalk on um, but there's only
dartmoor.
There's only one one um nationalpark that you can officially
wild camp on, and only incertain areas.
(40:45):
And actually it's gone back tothe High Court this week or last
week because Dartmoor is ownedby somebody and they're actually
trying to get the right removedso that they can stop anybody
from camping on it, which shouldbe a a real, a real shame, a
real shame.
It's um, it's come aboutbecause too many people have
(41:07):
taken advantage of it andthey've not um, you know we're
big believers of leave no trace.
You know if you've taken it in,you should be bringing it back
out with you and sadly, too manypeople have taken disposable
barbecues, set fire to half theland and and you and left lots
of waste and there are lots ofwild animals on there, lots of
grazing animals on there, andI'm not surprised that it's
(41:31):
ended up in the courts to tryand close it down.
I think it's incredibly sadreally, particularly when north
of the border in Scotland theydo have the right to roam.
You can camp within reason,wherever you want to not in
front of a farmer's house oranything like that but you can
(41:53):
pretty much camp wherever youwant.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah, you've got access to all of the beaches and
things I think in England allof the beaches and things I
think in in england there's onlysomething like one third of the
waterways that are open to thepublic, so two-thirds of them
are private.
Whoever owns the land eitherside of them, then the river's
(42:15):
theirs.
That that.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
So you can't go up and down the waterways um and
they were going to sorry andthere were going to Sorry.
I was just going to say a lotof the rivers, that you can go
down the waterways.
The land on either side iscompletely owned and you can't
get out of the river.
So you're allowed to passthrough the land but not get out
.
So we're really quiterestricted from that.
Sorry, ed, I jumped in.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
No, I think a few years ago they were doing
something about it, I think, um,and then one one problem hit or
another, whether that's um costof living crisis or whatever
and it just got put off the uh,the legal books, so they've not
challenged it anymore.
But yeah, I wish there was morefree and open land for us to be
(43:01):
able to do that, but we'redealing with a lot smaller
spaces than I guess you are inCanada.
For years, I've been watching aguy called Joe Robinet Joe.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Robinet yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Just the way that he goes off into woodland and
always been very envious of that, the canoeing and portage that
it does, just yeah, just a wideopen space is, um, that we we do
have, but there's a, you know,there's just less of england
(43:35):
than there is canada, so yeah,well, and I think there must be
different laws We've got so youcan't own a waterway in Canada,
so you have passage, not anissue.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
And even if the land beside it is owned, there still
has to be something.
I'm going to get the term wrong, but there has to be something
along the lines of fair passagewhere if you need to get out of
the water, you can get out ofthe water and walk along the
bank or whatever.
You can't, you can't getcornered into things.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
We went some.
We went canoeing um a coupleyears ago now, just just a day
canoe trip um down.
We were camping and we kind ofwent up river and you got canoes
and then you spent the wholeday canoeing back down to your,
to your camp.
The big stretches of that wherethere were just lots of signs
saying you cannot get out of theriver here.
This is private land, do notget out of the river here.
(44:31):
It's um quite unfriendly really.
The river was beautiful but umand lots and lots of lots of
signs where there's no, nofishing.
You're not allowed to just setyourself up and start fishing or
anything like that.
That's true most rivers overhere.
Their fishing rights are really.
Somebody owns the fishingrights to every metre of every
(44:53):
river and you've got to pay themfor the right to stand there
and fish that bit of river.
It's a different world.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I think it goes back to sort of is it field times,
where there was whoever helpedthe king or whatever.
So there's a lot of land thathas been owned for generations
by various people.
So, um, yeah, and it's justquite closed down, um, but yeah,
you know, it doesn't stop usgetting out.
There are some brilliantcampsites.
(45:24):
If anybody's thinking aboutcoming to the uk, they certainly
will find some beautiful,beautiful places.
And scotland, wales um, I'venot been over in ireland camping
but, uh, maybe we should dothat soon but yeah there's some
absolutely brilliant places, butit is about sort of uh, those
(45:46):
uh sites more than anything andthere's a.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
There's a.
There's a sort of rise ofsomething over here.
You probably don't have a needfor it over there, but there's.
There's something called nearlywild here so, which is a type
of camp, campsite, campground,where they're trying to.
It's a campsite, so you've gotto pay to go and stay there, but
it's, it's.
It's quite basic.
Um, there's not a lot of, not alot of facilities and things
(46:13):
there and they're trying toemulate sort of those wilder
spaces where you can, you can.
You can camp in a bit of longgrass and you can.
You can feel like you're in onDartmoor or in the National Park
, but you're actually not andand it's quite nice to see that
that's, that's quite a populartrend now there's, there's a lot
of campsites yeah, so nearlywild is.
(46:36):
It's quite a big thing here inthe UK and it's certainly our
preferred sort of campsitecampground is is trying to get
it to that sort of nearly wildkind of place.
That, um, that we have to gobecause of, because of that's.
That's just what's availablehere in the uk don't not a big
fan of going to a campsitethat's got loads of facilities
(46:56):
there are.
There are sites where there'seven entertainment on and and
you know there's bars and thingslike that.
That's, that's not what we do,that's not what we're doing,
that's not what we're there for.
It's, um, I quite like a pub ifit's, you know, quite like a
pub down the road or somethinglike that, but I don't want
entertainment on the site oranything.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
It's uh, to be honest , adan, I, we bring the
entertainment yes, yeah, whowould be bored when you've got
things like fire foot?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
you guys have a thing for burning.
You know we did yeah, well he's.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
He's alter ego is pyro aid.
It's um he set fire to oursisters our Wendy house, when I
mean, I don't know how old youwere, but I must have been about
two when that thing went up, soit's like a.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I didn't burn anything down.
I'm a child of the 70s.
Both parents smoked, hadlighters and all of the
paraphernalia.
I stole so many matches to justgo and just like the matches
and uh.
So yeah, I think it's justalways been there and camping is
(48:09):
just a more acceptable way forme to be able to go about
setting flyers and continue thatum.
They frown upon it in themiddle of uh lemmington spa,
where I am so all right.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
All right, gentlemen, I think that's an excellent way
to end.
Hopefully, you don't get introuble from the authorities at
any point.
That was great.
I I don't, we could.
We could have you back again atsome point.
I'm sure we could continue justtalking about the, the
differences between your campingversus our camping.
(48:48):
Yeah, that that whole.
You can't use the rivers, youcan't like that's, you can't
fish here.
That's.
That's insane.
Well, we're I don't know, itfeels like we're the land of the
free, because we can dowhatever we want.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
You really are.
You really are.
I mean, you know we try not totalk about politics, but we're
so restricted in this country.
It's unbelievable, it'sunbelievable, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, and I think it's just that how our society
has come about.
You know, people were giftedlands from helping the king and
the various other things.
It's not really changed those.
Those families still hold thatland from.
You know, four, five, sixhundred years ago, longer even,
um, so, uh, yeah, so there is abig movement to try and reclaim
(49:36):
some of that.
Uh, I think in the 1920s and30s, scotland had a that which
is where their right to roamcame along.
Uh, people were taking backpathways and walkways and
they've got more access and itwas on the statute books to to
revisit for us.
(49:56):
But then various other thingshave happened around the world,
so, um, it's just got forgottenabout.
But there is a movement to tryand reclaim some of those and
have some more open spaces wherewe can do.
But we are a smaller countryand there's quite a lot of
people in our bit, so it'strying to maintain it as as best
as they can.
(50:17):
I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah, I think you're probably again.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
It's the yes, you should.
You should come visit.
Make sure you give us a holler.
We have canoes and stuff.
We'll get you out there.
We'll take you fishing becauseyou can do that here.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Good.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
That's it for us for today.
Thank you so much to our guests, tim and Ade from Casual
Camping Podcast.
Please do check them out.
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Speaker 2 (50:51):
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It's awesome.
It really is.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
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Hello and good day.
Welcome to the Super GoodCamping Podcast.
My name is Pamela.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
And we are from supergoodcampingcom.
We're here because we're on amission to inspire other people
to get outside and enjoy campingadventures such as we have.
Today's guests are two brothersfrom the UK that love all
things camping related.
With the shortest introductionever, please welcome Tim and Ade
from Casual Camping Podcast.
Hey, welcome, hello.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thank you, oh, thanks for coming.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, cool.
So I actually have no idea howI heard about you guys in the
first place, but I remember itwas pretty early on.
You were within a few episodesand I went, hey, cool, that
sounds interesting.
And then you guys are just likeclowns.
You crack each other up all thetime.
So it was a really fun listenbecause you literally spend
(00:53):
almost 50% of the time justlaughing, which is fabulous At
any time.
Right, it's always a goodfeeling of things and it's
obvious you're both passionateabout getting outdoors and doing
all the things.
So tell us what.
What got you into it?
Well, sorry, I should mentionyour brothers for starters.
(01:14):
Um, what got you into what?
What got you into camping?
And then, how did you go?
Hey, we should do a podcastabout this gosh, the two big
questions.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
So I'm I'm tim and uh , and the this one that will
speak now is aid hello it'sprobably easy if we do that the
other way around.
So so, if I give a bit of a bitof a, a quick, um, quick sort of
(01:48):
history of the podcast really,and then, and then we can dive
into why, why camping, becausethat's, that's probably a much
longer conversation.
Um, okay, we're just twobrothers who, um, we've been
doing this now we're in ourthird season and, uh, we before
we did this, we just weren'tspeaking to each other often
(02:10):
enough and when we did, we werejust always talking about
camping and camping adventures.
We've been on campingadventures, we wanted to go on
bits of camping kit, we boughtand and we just kind of said,
you know what, why don't we do apodcast?
And we just talk about campingand um, and, and we started
doing it.
But that enabled us.
(02:32):
You know it meant that actuallywe had to, we had to speak to
each other every week and youknow that just kept kept us
close in contact and kept us,kept us together really and and
um, and here we are in our inour third year and we're still
putting out show every week.
We take, you know, we finish.
Our season kind of goes fromthe first, first um week of
(02:55):
February to the first week ofDecember.
So we take the rest of Decemberand January off and and relax
and then we, we start again.
We don't stop camping thenbecause we, we do camp 12 years,
uh, 12 months of the year.
But, um, but yeah, this, uh,that's kind of the the history
of the podcast.
We, we, we're not sponsored, wedon't do paid partnerships.
(03:16):
We just like to shout outreally quality gear and quality
campsites and places that we'vebeen um, and we think that not
being sponsored means we, wejust maybe have a little bit
more integrity than than otherother things.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
It's um, but uh, but that's that's it in in a, in a
nutshell, I suppose yeah, Ithink tim's been a little bit
modest there, so he was thedriving force between, uh, to
start with, to say we should berecording this, because we did
come off the phone every weekjust laughing about what we'd
(03:51):
done, or as only brothers do.
You know each other very wellso you can take and rib the
other one a little bit more, andI think we both do that very
well to each other, and you knowit always came away quite
uplifted that I've spoken to mybrother and we've also gone
through all of those things thatwe both have a love for, like I
(04:14):
say mainly gear, and wherewe're going camping and who
you're going camping with andwhat kind of site it would be.
Um, which is something thatwe've been doing for 20, 30
years.
We, um, we realized that wecame to camping late.
Uh, we weren't taken aschildren, like I think some
(04:35):
other people were.
Uh, which I've come to realize.
Uh, depending on how you weretaken as a child, whether or not
it was done, well, some peoplelove it, some people hate it and
, yeah, for everybody that wespeak to goes oh no, I don't
like camping.
It reminds me of familyholidays years and years ago and
(05:09):
, yeah, we out having that peacethat you know you've got to put
yourself out there in order tohave those sunrises or that
campfire moment and those things.
So, yeah, really, that's kindof what we talk about.
And now that we're in our thirdseason, it's about sort of that
(05:31):
content of how do we progressit, how do we, you know, make it
interesting not only for us,because I think we can yak away
quite happily about what we'redoing and what we might spend
our money on or what we'reupdating our gear with.
But, yeah, keeping itinteresting for our listeners,
as well as being quitelight-hearted, being really
positive, but having a laugh isprobably the main thing that we
(05:55):
want to do.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of shows out there and there's a
lot of people on YouTube and onsocial media where they do like
deep dives into pieces ofequipment and they're great and
I watch those, we both watchthose.
But that's not us where youknow it's.
We like to keep it light.
You know, the reason it'scalled casual camping podcast is
(06:18):
because we like to keep itlight-hearted.
You know we are well, supposeyou could jokingly call us
experts in, uh, in what, inexperts in what we do, I suppose
.
But, um, but it, you know, we'vegot a lot of gear.
We we've, we, we were adding upthe other day how many tents
each of us have and and thedifferent ways that we can go
(06:40):
camping at different times.
But, um, but actually, you know, we like it to be light-hearted
and the show is light-heartedand and, as aid says, you, you
can take the mick out of, out ofeach other in in only the way
that brothers can, and uh, andwe hope that comes across we, we
get good feedback fromlisteners, so, um, so I think
(07:02):
what we're doing works.
We certainly can't do it anyother way, can we aid?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
well, no, I think one of our listeners did say to us
if you press the forward buttonfor like 10 seconds jump, 10
seconds jump, all you've got isa show of laughing yeah, you
know if you, if you need toraise a smile, I think that's uh
(07:28):
, that's a good thing.
And you know we we have had somegreat experiences, uh, over the
years.
I think we're having some greatexperiences with doing a
podcast.
Uh, it's quite a niche area.
It's not something there wasn'tan awful lot of when we were
looking at them.
There wasn't an awful lot outthere, um, and yeah, you know
(07:53):
it's um.
We're not going to be able togive up our day jobs, I don't
think, but we are enjoying whatwe do and having that bit where
we're not sponsored.
I think those early episodes Iwas uh mentioning quite a lot I
had to tell you to stop askingso if you'd like to sponsor us
(08:14):
um, and then really afterwardsit, we started to realize that
our unique perspective is thatyou, without putting yourself in
somebody's category of you,have to talk well about their,
their gear, their site orproduct or whatever it is we can
(08:38):
.
You know, we've set ourselvessome rules.
We're positive about things.
We don't want to just, um,disparage something.
You know somebody's probably uhhard-earned sort of effort to
go on there.
But yeah, we want to try and bepositive about it, we want to
have a laugh and, yeah,hopefully keep it interesting
(08:59):
yeah, same to your point aboutuh wanting to be sponsored.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
There there was.
There was a time where it'slike, come on, somebody's got to
sponsor us, come on.
And also with the not giving upthe day jobs, you wouldn't be
able to do your podcast becauseit's far too expensive to buy
all that gear, to buy the nicemicrophones, to all that sort of
jazz.
Like yeah no, I actually haveto do my day job in order to be
(09:24):
able to do the podcast totallytotally, totally I think I am.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I came across your show, um, when I was researching
camping podcasts, um, at thepoint when we were, we were
coming on and, um, I listened to.
You know, there's not a hugeamount of camping podcasts out
there.
There's a few, it is, it isniche um, but I, I got listening
to your show and of all theones I listened to, um and I'm
not just saying this yours isthe only one that survived, uh,
(09:50):
this long and I I've stayed withyou, I know I know, I know I
can't help it.
It is actually true, though itis actually true all the other
ones have died by gone by thewayside because they, um, they
were just a bit boring reallyand uh, and I love your show
because it's just, it's just areally gentle show about, about
getting out in the outdoors andand and being out, you know,
(10:14):
properly outdoors you guys, youguys do it properly, you do
expeditions and stuff like thatcompared to what we do, but, um,
but the way you talk about itis just, it's just really it's a
really gentle way of talkingabout camping and it's it's a
it's a good listen.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We appreciate that man, it's the it's.
That's why we do that sort ofyou know, 30, 45 minutes episode
sizes.
It's somebody, I guess, oncetold us that it was it's a
snackable size and that's kindof what of what we want to do.
I don't want people having anap because we've been droning
(10:51):
on for ages and ages and ages.
It's like here's some coolstuff, here's some cool people.
Do the things I don't get, asyou guys do way better.
Sort of gear reviews becauseyou dive into what works for you
, why you bought that piece ofgear.
Reviews because you dive intowhat works for you, what, why,
why you bought that piece ofgear, what, what it was missing
in your kit in the first place,and then, and then how it, how
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it has played out.
So I like that about yours.
Uh, I did have a question.
I, to the best of my knowledge,I don't listen to every episode
of anybody other than usbecause I have to edit it.
To the best of my knowledge,you've only had one guest and it
wasn't terribly long ago.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
It was the fellow from Greenland, yeah, hugh
Thomas, who joined our, so we'reon Facebook.
And then, and then on facebook,we've got a, a, um, casual
camping podcast facebook groupand he some, which is great, by
the way, just saying thank youvery much, thank you, fabulous
engagement, it's good, it isgreat engagement on there.
It, um, it is brilliant.
But somebody else invited himto the group telling him they
(12:01):
thought he should join this,this group, and um, and he
started putting pictures of hisadventures on there.
So I just private messaged himand said your pictures are
amazing.
Who are you, um, what do?
you do, and thankfully he waslike, he was quite engaged and
uh, and after a few few messagesover a few days, I just said do
(12:21):
you want to come on the show?
Because we're never going to goaid and I are never going to go
to the arctic and camp.
You know we're never.
We're never going to do that.
You know we would love to dothat, but the opportunity we'd
love to do it, but yeah yeah,realistically, there's an awful
lot in the way to to actually doyeah but but isn't that what
youtube's about?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
you know that you can sort of get your fix of
somebody.
You know you can see the upsand downs.
I'm watching somebody, uh, ab,camping at the minute, who's
just done six episodes in Alaska, and you know, just seeing what
somebody has to go through todo that, and I was like, yeah,
great, I've done that in thecomfort of my own home.
(13:02):
I like to get out there, butyou know either funds or other
things that are prohibited forsome of those things.
So it's piggyback along andwatch what other people are
doing and get ideas and seetheir kit, and it inspires me to
go shopping, which it reallyshouldn't do, but you know, and
(13:23):
just things that might make thatnext experience, whether that's
by yourself or or with otherpeople, better.
You know, I think that's thething.
It's.
Um, I was listening to one ofyour uh.
You were saying to tim on uh,one of the recent episodes that
(13:44):
you know how to do.
Um, uh, all the fire lightingand stuff.
You just choose not to uh whenyou and I think you know that.
Similarly, you know we haveblow torches.
I do like to uh, you know howto do all the other things.
But you know actually, whenneeds must, it's cold, you're
hungry, let's get the blowtorchon it, just those things.
(14:07):
So so yeah, we've got some ideaand we've got gear, where I
think somebody was saying to uh,you know, recent camping one,
all the gear and no idea.
I was like I think we've gotsome idea yeah, I think I think
we, we, we pretend.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
A good pretend, I suppose, is uh, is you know we,
uh, we, we do know how to lightfires and we need to.
We know, we know, certainlyknow how to use all the kit that
we've got.
It's um.
But going, going back to yourpoint in um about guests, um, so
, hugh, uh, hugh was our recentguest, but, um, we've done a,
(14:44):
we've done a few, haven't we ate?
we, um, we had yeah we had leedonald who, um, uh, went up
mount everest 12 exactly 12months ago.
Um, so she, she's from aberdeen, uh, in scotland, and she, uh,
we followed sort of her journey.
We actually had a GPS trackerlink so I woke up.
(15:08):
Bizarrely enough, I woke up atabout half past one in the
morning and her GPS tracker wason the top of Everest, and it's
just like crazy.
And then two weeks later shecame on the show, which was
brilliant.
But yeah, we've had a fewguests, we haven't had a lot,
we're still I don't know.
(15:28):
I get really nervous we'restill nervous, yeah I'm quite
nervous today.
You can probably tell um, we'venever been interviewed.
This is the first time anyone'sasked us to do this, which is
um, so it's uh.
It's a new experience wherewe're used to just talking to
each other and taking the mickout of each other.
Adding other people into themix requires an extra level of
(15:51):
professionality that we mightnot have.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, there's also a lot of prep to it.
There can be.
I mean, when we do guestepisodes, I write the the sort
of intro bio thing.
So I have to, I have to knowwho it is, what, what, what I
have to say about them.
We used to do a whole likepages of questions and talking
(16:19):
points and stuff like that.
Now.
Now it's just like yeah, youknow, I would hazard, we've done
a hundred episodes with guests,so it's I don't need to say
anymore wow wow, yeah, and Ithink for us we have done
questions.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think, uh, how we bounce off each other can be
quite difficult when you add athird person into that that we
don't necessarily know that well.
So when we find that there issomebody interesting who's
willing to do it, uh, then we'llput ourselves out there.
But yeah, it's um, yeah, so farI think they've gone down very
(16:59):
well.
They're certainly not bombed asepisodes, uh, which you you
know, you you start to look atsort of trends in listening and
who who's listening, wherethey're listening and how many
downloads that week.
But yeah, you know we're, we'reconsistent with what we do,
thankfully.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, well, you are, it's but that's, but that's why
that your, your listener, saidyou just push the 10 second and
it and's a laugh track.
See, it doesn't matter whatepisode 10 seconds that's
awesome.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Do you guys find as well certain recordings?
You know we we come away fromthem and go, oh that was a
really good episode.
And others where we've maybenot, we've talked and given a
lot more facts and informationabout what we're doing and we we
kind of realize, oh actually,is that different?
Is that drier than our usualone?
(17:56):
So, uh, yeah, sometimes you youquestion yourself an awful lot
about, um, what your listenersmight think, but you know, so
far it seems to be working forus yeah, yes, same time.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's a hobby, so I don't.
I'm not going to lose sleepover it.
We do.
We do spend time discussing itin between episodes.
But the actual like yourecorded it's like I'm done, I'm
editing that, I'm publishingthat it's I'm done.
It's a hobby, it's not my job,it was my job.
Maybe they like nope, scrapthat episode, or we're going to
totally, you know, chop it up ina different way.
(18:35):
I take ums and ahs out.
I take out if I sneezed orsomething that's it.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, I, um, I, I do the editing and I'm the same.
Actually.
I edit it as quickly as I can.
I take out some ums and ahs orsome gaps and things like that
that I've made a note of aswe've kind of gone through, but
otherwise I edit it, I upload it.
I'm kind of done then, and sowe try to record earlier in the
week, early on, sort of seasonone and and part of season two.
(19:08):
We we weren't quite so rigidand actually we were both
incredibly busy with our dayjobs and our lives.
We had quite a lot going on andand often it got to sort of
Wednesday evening or Thursdayevening and we were recording
and our episodes go out on aFriday morning 4am GMT.
So it was just it always meantthat's a late night, for for me
(19:31):
I've got to edit as quickly as Ican.
To be honest, it's taught me toedit it was fine for me I
didn't mind it, you could do allof this.
I'm sure you just don.
You just don't bother to learnit so that you don't have to do
it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
No habla inglese.
Oh gosh oh dear.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, it's a good uh, the I would say technically for
sure, your, your episodes havegotten better over the years.
Uh, I think you know, I meanit's a, it's a learning curve,
right.
So you become quicker at it,become better at it.
I know there was an episodewhere I spent I think it was
(20:19):
just about eight hours justediting the audio.
It was an hour and changeepisode and it was just.
It was so full of extraneousnoises and it made me crazy and
that was the one that broke me.
That's when we finished off theepisodes we had in the can
because we tend to record fartoo far ahead and I finished
(20:40):
those off and we went on ourfirst hiatus.
That was the end of the threeand a half years, something like
that.
It was just crazy yeah, it'stoo much.
It's too much.
I went I'm gonna burn out andit's it's again.
It's a hobby, yeah, it's ahobby I love doing it.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
It's meant to be fun.
It's meant to be fun.
You can't, you can't, um, if itstops being fun, you've got to.
You've got to stop doing we.
We've we've said that if, um,if it stops being fun, you've
got to stop doing it.
We've said that If it stopsbeing fun, if it becomes an
arduous task that we've got todo, then you know that will come
across when you're talking,it's you know.
So you've got to call it a day.
At the moment, you know, I turn50 next month.
(21:17):
I'm not sick of it just yet.
You know, I think we'veprobably got a few more years to
go before I'm sick of it.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
As I'm the older brother, I sometimes get sick of
him, but With age comespatience.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
That's it, yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
It's comedy effect.
It right, you're.
You're the old gold retriever,I'm the young jack russell nice,
nice brothers.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So you guys get out a decent amount of camping.
Um, what's your favorite?
What's your favorite style ofcamping?
Meaning spring camping, wintercamping?
You have, you have a tent youlike to use.
You like to do it, you know,cooking over the fire as opposed
to cooking over the butanestove or what have you stove or
(22:26):
what have you.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, well, for, and I think it changes.
It has changed for me quiterecently because, uh, about two
years ago I got my first canvastent, uh, and that, yeah, I
don't know what it is about it,whether it's more breathable as
a fabric, but that has reallychanged how I view camping.
So my favorite tent at theminute is a robin's prospector
(22:47):
shanty.
It's a three meter by threemeter poly cotton tent.
Got it really quite cheap,which is always a bargain.
We're from yorkshire, so youknow chasing those savings and
just thought that would bedifferent than the other tents
that I've got.
Winter is certainly my favoritetime.
(23:09):
We came quite late to stoves intents and just the difference,
it extended that camping aroundthe world.
It doesn't get particularlycold here in the UK anymore, but
it does mean that you can getout there and you can have a
(23:31):
very good, nice, comfortablenight in a tent.
So, yeah, for me it's winter,definitely at the minute, and
the use of those other otherthings if you put in a stove in
a tent it's better to be cotton.
It doesn't go, it doesn't meltin the same way that the other
ones made which I've had.
That experience tried it.
(23:55):
Tried it with a synthetic tentand, uh, there's too many sparky
burns on that, so yeah, oh yeahthat's booby that's an
expensive lesson.
It's like equipment that letsyou down is dead to me after it
lets you down, so I patched itand sold it.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
It's got content, yeah I, um, I, I suppose you
know we, we camp in all sorts ofdifferent ways and you know,
last week's episode was abouthammock camping.
I literally tried hammockcamping for the first time last
weekend.
It's definitely something I'mgoing to be doing again.
I had the most comfortablenight's sleep I've ever had.
(24:34):
I thought I was going to bereally uncomfortable and it
would be an awkward sleepingposition and my back's not great
and all of those things.
I have to say.
I slept so well.
So I will definitely be doingthat again.
But Ada and I I don't know ifyou've got this term over there,
but we class ourselves as carcampers.
(24:54):
So we load up the car and ifyou take in the car, you may as
well fill the car, because youtake in the car anyway.
So we take, we take a lot, of,a lot of gear predominantly, um,
I, certainly, you know I, Iwill fill up the car.
I've bought a bigger car to putmore stuff in it and put a roof
(25:15):
rack on it, just to get morestuff.
But, um, so, yeah, so we, we,we class ourselves as car
campers really.
So we, we can take, take asmuch stuff because we, we talk
often on the show about.
You know, camping doesn't needto be uncomfortable.
You know, you, you can take alot of comforts with you, and
and by comforts, you know we, wedon't do electric hookup or
(25:36):
anything like that um, that's,that's certainly not somewhere
that we're we're thinking ofgoing down.
But you, you can take acomfortable bed, you can.
You can take a decent stove,you can.
You know, you can make freshground coffee out in the field
quite comfortably and, um, andyou need all those sort of
gadgets and toys with you to todo that with.
So, um, so we load it all inthe car and go off to to a
(26:00):
campsite somewhere or campground, as you'd say, over there, and,
um, and then get it all in thecar and go off to a campsite
somewhere or campground, asyou'd say, over there, and then
get it all out and stay therefor a few days as a bit of a
base camp.
But at the same time, you know,I've done solo, you know,
hiking somewhere, camping, anddone that on my own and done
(26:20):
that on my own.
My favourite tent at the momentis my.
I've got two bell tents, twocanvas bell tents, I've got a
four metre and a three metre andmy favourite one really is my
three metre.
I'll call it my baby bellbecause it's.
Although it's a three metrebell tent, I class it as a one
(26:40):
man tent.
A one man because it means Ican get a whole camp bed in it,
which does take up one side ofthe central pole.
I've got a wood burning stovein there that takes up another
sort of third really of the tent, or you know, a quarter of the
tent and then the rest of it.
There is sort of a littlecooking area and seating area
for when the weather's bad um.
But it's a it's a great tent.
(27:01):
It also means that you know,I'm over six foot.
It means I can stand up next tothe pole and put my trousers on
and get dressed properly andactually stand up.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I yeah, I'm getting a bit old dance come on, you have
to admit you have danced inyour tent I have danced in my
tent.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I have danced in my tent, yeah, but uh, but I, I,
you know I've taken that wintercamping.
You know it doesn't get as coldas it used to here, but it was
minus five when I was wintercamping in that and, uh, I had a
.
I mean, you guys, you get loadsof snow here, we, we don't get
a lot of snow anymore.
So I I was chasing chase.
For years I've been chasing awinter where we get enough snow
(27:45):
for me to actually go campingand wake up with snow.
And I did manage to wake upwith a blanket of snow that
morning.
So it was, it was great, propertick off the bucket list.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But um, yeah, and I'm very envious still.
I think the most snow that wehave ever seen really was.
We emigrated to Canada when wewere when I was 13, Tim was nine
, spent a couple of years therewith family and it didn't work
out, unfortunately, but we havegreat memories of being in
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British Columbia for quite a fewseasons in british columbia for
uh, quite a few seasons.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
So bc is gorgeous, man it's.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You can't if you're, if you're an outdoor lover, you
can't go wrong in bc.
It was just beautiful,absolutely beautiful.
We were, um, uh, we lived increscent beach just south of
vancouver and um, just uh, Idon't have a lot of childhood
memories before then, to behonest, because there was just
so much stuff going on in thosetwo years and and playing with
friends and and you know,particularly being on the coast,
(28:50):
so there was just so much goingon, you know, on the water,
fishing or anything.
They um, those two years arekind of my.
My childhood memories are allkind of made up of of our time
in canada.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
It was, it was epic really was yeah, maybe that's
the, the influence of what.
Where we are now tim.
Yeah, maybe because there wasjust some big spaces and you
know, I just remember beingoutdoors so much, um, you know.
So maybe that that's the thingof how do we get outdoors.
The UK is obviously much, muchsmaller.
(29:23):
I think you can fit France andthe UK into just British
Columbia, so there's a lot morebuilt up.
We don't have the wildernesses.
The right to roam is only inScotland have the wildernesses.
(29:45):
Um, the right to roam is only inscotland, uh, so, yeah, getting
out there is a lot aboutcampsites, it's a lot about
meeting up with friends.
It's getting that time togetherwhere you can meet up and sit
around a fire and and talk a lotof nonsense and compare your
setups and see what other peopleare doing.
I think the one thing thatkeeps us coming back is that
(30:06):
just the brilliant people thatwe meet you know people that
have got a similar um outlook uh, we went to bushcraft shows
last year just the amount ofpeople that are so friendly,
that are so open, that stop byand just chat, and that's
getting rarer.
You know people as they closedown a little bit more, don't
(30:30):
talk to their neighbors as muchas they used to do and things.
And yet you know we find thatwith the camping community our
facebook group really runsitself.
People put so much on there thatyou know we're really really
grateful for that and that isabout inspiring others to get
out there, and when you seesomebody's out there, like this
(30:50):
weekend, you think, right, Iwish I was out.
Why, why am I not camping thisweekend?
The weather's great, it's um,you know there's a, and I think
that's the thing about trying toinspire to get out the
following week or plan your nexttrip, wherever that is.
And then some of those, likethe interviews that we've done
about greenland or whatever is,there's people that are doing
(31:13):
longer things and, you know,doing more expeditions and
getting out there on a longerjourney.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So yeah, much as I would love to do that, that you
know, huge alaska trip or orwhat have you I I'm not less
stroud like it's, that's not.
You know, I I do.
I do eight, eight days with oureldest and that's that's.
(31:41):
I'm good, you know it's.
I know what my, my physicallimits are.
Yeah, I'm excited to do it.
You mentioned the bushbushcraft show.
Do you guys have a?
Is it just?
Do you have one show thateverybody gets together at, or
do you have?
Are there other shows thathappen out there?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
there's quite a quite a few.
There's one main one thatthankfully, is quite uh, local
to to both of us, in the middleof the uk.
There are other ones that arethat we've not been to really.
I think that was our firstintroduction to it last year and
it was just great to get somepeople that are showing really
(32:21):
primitive skills and everythingfrom butchering um, hunting and
fire making you know the thewhole gamut of it, as well as a
lot of knife stalls, so that youcan spend quite a lot of money
if you wanted to um so all thegear is there, so it yeah.
It really ticked an awful lot ofboxes and, unlike any other
(32:44):
show festival, uh, everybody waswalking around with a knife
strapped to their belt, whichwas just really good, so, yeah
it was.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It was interesting, wasn't it?
It's um, it's a.
It's the side of the campingcommunity we hadn't come across
before.
And although we've, you knowwe've done lots of you know fire
, you know we've I've you boughtme a book eight years and years
ago on multiple ways to to setfire to things and like and
start fires.
Sorry, not set fire to things,start fire right there's a
(33:19):
subtle difference there um sowe've been.
We'd kind of been into a bit ofbushcraft without knowing we
were into bushcraft really, andthen just through the show
actually, of meeting peoplethrough the show and some of our
audience got us talking to theorganisers of the bushcraft show
, and then we went along and itwas great actually, there are
(33:42):
really really really quite kindand open community who have all
of these incredible skills andknowledge and they just share
them freely with you and theyjust want, want you to know what
they know and uh, it's, it'squite, it's quite a cool
community of people.
It's uh, they, they are, theyare great we found the absolute
(34:03):
thing yep, yeah, absolutely it's.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's the.
I think everybody, well, Ithink I think anybody that
spends time like like campingand and soaking up that
experience, then becomessomewhat of a protector of of
nature, of of that sort ofexperience.
(34:26):
So anything that that they cando to make your experience be
even better, so that youcontinue to protect that thing
that we all love to do, I.
It's a win for everybody.
So that's that's kind of what Itake on what, the what, the
underlying philosophy of whyeverybody's so open, why they
share all the their knowledge,and stuff like that.
(34:48):
Yeah, if they get you excitedabout knives, you'll buy a more
expensive one so totally yesit's on my list.
It's on my list I literally Ijust bought a safety knife for
for on the on the uh, on my pfd.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
So yeah, interesting that you say you know your
limits, uh, about when, uh,what's comfortable for you, when
, when you're out there, andwe've spent quite a few shows
revisiting that.
I think one of our best showswas first time.
Camping was certainly one ofthe uh most downloaded for us,
(35:28):
uh, which is talking about our,our experiences of not uh, not
overestimating yourself.
You know, don't go right.
First time I'm off camping I'mgonna go for seven days.
Hella, high water, um, easeinto it.
You know, make sure that you'vegot the gear.
You don't have to buy the gear.
(35:49):
You could borrow the gear, youcould go with somebody or, you
know, just don't, don't sort ofput yourself off before you've
even started with it.
Um, and I, I think that's thething I love, camping, but I, I
know I have my limits too.
You know, I'd like toexperience more different ways.
I'm certainly going to have ago at hammock camping, uh, but I
(36:11):
would also, you know, know howlong I can go for.
And yeah, I'm sort of with youthere.
About seven, eight days isabout my tolerance really yeah,
same, same here.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
And we've got a camping trip the end of this
month.
We're going up tonorthumberland, which is sort of
northeast of england.
There's big empty beachesthere's.
There's nobody up there.
It's it's big sort of expansiveopen beaches up there and it's
beautiful.
Um, I'm going with my other half, I mean we're going as a bit of
(36:42):
a group but everybody else iskind of dropping in and dropping
out and just doing a couple ofnights.
I'm going up with my other halfand we're going to do five
nights.
I'm okay with that.
Probably seven nights isprobably my, my limit really,
before I I want to go and get aproper wash and get and get
cleaned.
My, my other half, um, mypartner, she's, she's not camped
more than three nights before.
(37:04):
So that's, that's going to be alittle a little a little test.
Um, but we booked a where, asaid said, we you kind of got to
camp on campsites in, certainlyin england.
Uh, there's no, there's no realwild camping, and so we book to
book to site that, accordingly,has got, has got facilities on
(37:25):
it, so it's, it's got a decentshower block, it's, it's got you
know, hot water and you know inthe washrooms and things, so
that you know, I know, I know,hopefully she'll, she'll be okay
with with five nights, becausethat's, you know, it's quite,
it's quite a jump to go fromthree nights to five nights when
she's not.
She's not a big camper.
She's not been camping before,um the last couple of years when
(37:48):
we got together, so so it'sstill relatively new for her.
She's, she's loving it, butit's um you gotta.
You gotta kind of appreciateyou know your own limits and not
push somebody else to yourlimits, because I've been
camping for years and and mylimits are kind of honed, really
, as of what I can do.
But um should be a good tripthough, shouldn't it?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
oh, it should be, and you know she should consider
herself lucky that, uh, she'sjoining somebody that's got all
of the the gear, you know shedoesn't have to go through those
airbeds that you know are verythin and go down halfway through
the night there's a fire in thetent, all of those things.
She's come in at sort of peaklevel, I think.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
And she did enable me to buy a four-meter bell tent
as well.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
So that's why I've got the larger bell tent.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
That's excellent.
That's a perfect way to look atit.
Yeah, uh, so so there's no, wehere, we call it crown land
camping, where, if, if it's,it's technically it's owned by
the people.
The province wrangles it, butwe own it, so we're allowed to
camp pretty much anywhere for upto 28 days, and then you have
(39:10):
to move it.
We're actually just starting to.
We've just planned a five-nighttrip to a piece of crown land
sometime in september.
So should be interesting.
I, I do, I, we, we do, pamelaand I do front country camping
(39:31):
most of the time, although shedid do a three day last fall, um
, and she's, she's going to comeout for this, the five day,
this, this, uh, september.
I don't, I'm not never adverseto having a shower like, but you
know, and she's going to comeout for the five-day this
September, I'm never adverse tohaving a shower Like, you know,
when the big kid and I are inthe backcountry and we hit day
(39:51):
four, day five, I'm going to tryto be.
I don't want people to bedownwind of me.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I don't want them to be downwind of me.
Even the bears are turning awayfrom you going.
No, it's spoiled, Exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Even the mosquitoes are turning away from you going.
No, it's spoiled, even themosquitoes are turning away yeah
, we, we don't really have uhcrown land.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
What um?
What's that bit down incornwall, devon area?
Tim near x.
Is it xmas?
Speaker 4 (40:22):
uh, you're meaning dartmoor so we've, got we've got
national parks, um, we've got anumber of national parks up and
down the country which are wildspaces that you have, you have
the right to roam on so you canwalk on um, but there's only
dartmoor.
There's only one one um nationalpark that you can officially
wild camp on, and only incertain areas.
(40:45):
And actually it's gone back tothe High Court this week or last
week because Dartmoor is ownedby somebody and they're actually
trying to get the right removedso that they can stop anybody
from camping on it, which shouldbe a a real, a real shame, a
real shame.
It's um, it's come aboutbecause too many people have
(41:07):
taken advantage of it andthey've not um, you know we're
big believers of leave no trace.
You know if you've taken it in,you should be bringing it back
out with you and sadly, too manypeople have taken disposable
barbecues, set fire to half theland and and you and left lots
of waste and there are lots ofwild animals on there, lots of
grazing animals on there, andI'm not surprised that it's
(41:31):
ended up in the courts to tryand close it down.
I think it's incredibly sadreally, particularly when north
of the border in Scotland theydo have the right to roam.
You can camp within reason,wherever you want to not in
front of a farmer's house oranything like that but you can
(41:53):
pretty much camp wherever youwant.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah, you've got access to all of the beaches and
things I think in England allof the beaches and things I
think in in england there's onlysomething like one third of the
waterways that are open to thepublic, so two-thirds of them
are private.
Whoever owns the land eitherside of them, then the river's
(42:15):
theirs.
That that.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
So you can't go up and down the waterways um and
they were going to sorry andthere were going to Sorry.
I was just going to say a lotof the rivers, that you can go
down the waterways.
The land on either side iscompletely owned and you can't
get out of the river.
So you're allowed to passthrough the land but not get out
.
So we're really quiterestricted from that.
Sorry, ed, I jumped in.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
No, I think a few years ago they were doing
something about it, I think, um,and then one one problem hit or
another, whether that's um costof living crisis or whatever
and it just got put off the uh,the legal books, so they've not
challenged it anymore.
But yeah, I wish there was morefree and open land for us to be
(43:01):
able to do that, but we'redealing with a lot smaller
spaces than I guess you are inCanada.
For years, I've been watching aguy called Joe Robinet Joe.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Robinet yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Just the way that he goes off into woodland and
always been very envious of that, the canoeing and portage that
it does, just yeah, just a wideopen space is, um, that we we do
have, but there's a, you know,there's just less of england
(43:35):
than there is canada, so yeah,well, and I think there must be
different laws We've got so youcan't own a waterway in Canada,
so you have passage, not anissue.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
And even if the land beside it is owned, there still
has to be something.
I'm going to get the term wrong, but there has to be something
along the lines of fair passagewhere if you need to get out of
the water, you can get out ofthe water and walk along the
bank or whatever.
You can't, you can't getcornered into things.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
We went some.
We went canoeing um a coupleyears ago now, just just a day
canoe trip um down.
We were camping and we kind ofwent up river and you got canoes
and then you spent the wholeday canoeing back down to your,
to your camp.
The big stretches of that wherethere were just lots of signs
saying you cannot get out of theriver here.
This is private land, do notget out of the river here.
(44:31):
It's um quite unfriendly really.
The river was beautiful but umand lots and lots of lots of
signs where there's no, nofishing.
You're not allowed to just setyourself up and start fishing or
anything like that.
That's true most rivers overhere.
Their fishing rights are really.
Somebody owns the fishingrights to every metre of every
(44:53):
river and you've got to pay themfor the right to stand there
and fish that bit of river.
It's a different world.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I think it goes back to sort of is it field times,
where there was whoever helpedthe king or whatever.
So there's a lot of land thathas been owned for generations
by various people.
So, um, yeah, and it's justquite closed down, um, but yeah,
you know, it doesn't stop usgetting out.
There are some brilliantcampsites.
(45:24):
If anybody's thinking aboutcoming to the uk, they certainly
will find some beautiful,beautiful places.
And scotland, wales um, I'venot been over in ireland camping
but, uh, maybe we should dothat soon but yeah there's some
absolutely brilliant places, butit is about sort of uh, those
(45:46):
uh sites more than anything andthere's a.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
There's a.
There's a sort of rise ofsomething over here.
You probably don't have a needfor it over there, but there's.
There's something called nearlywild here so, which is a type
of camp, campsite, campground,where they're trying to.
It's a campsite, so you've gotto pay to go and stay there, but
it's, it's.
It's quite basic.
Um, there's not a lot of, not alot of facilities and things
(46:13):
there and they're trying toemulate sort of those wilder
spaces where you can, you can.
You can camp in a bit of longgrass and you can.
You can feel like you're in onDartmoor or in the National Park
, but you're actually not andand it's quite nice to see that
that's, that's quite a populartrend now there's, there's a lot
of campsites yeah, so nearlywild is.
(46:36):
It's quite a big thing here inthe UK and it's certainly our
preferred sort of campsitecampground is is trying to get
it to that sort of nearly wildkind of place.
That, um, that we have to gobecause of, because of that's.
That's just what's availablehere in the uk don't not a big
fan of going to a campsitethat's got loads of facilities
(46:56):
there are.
There are sites where there'seven entertainment on and and
you know there's bars and thingslike that.
That's, that's not what we do,that's not what we're doing,
that's not what we're there for.
It's, um, I quite like a pub ifit's, you know, quite like a
pub down the road or somethinglike that, but I don't want
entertainment on the site oranything.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
It's uh, to be honest , adan, I, we bring the
entertainment yes, yeah, whowould be bored when you've got
things like fire foot?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
you guys have a thing for burning.
You know we did yeah, well he's.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
He's alter ego is pyro aid.
It's um he set fire to oursisters our Wendy house, when I
mean, I don't know how old youwere, but I must have been about
two when that thing went up, soit's like a.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I didn't burn anything down.
I'm a child of the 70s.
Both parents smoked, hadlighters and all of the
paraphernalia.
I stole so many matches to justgo and just like the matches
and uh.
So yeah, I think it's justalways been there and camping is
(48:09):
just a more acceptable way forme to be able to go about
setting flyers and continue thatum.
They frown upon it in themiddle of uh lemmington spa,
where I am so all right.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
All right, gentlemen, I think that's an excellent way
to end.
Hopefully, you don't get introuble from the authorities at
any point.
That was great.
I I don't, we could.
We could have you back again atsome point.
I'm sure we could continue justtalking about the, the
differences between your campingversus our camping.
(48:48):
Yeah, that that whole.
You can't use the rivers, youcan't like that's, you can't
fish here.
That's.
That's insane.
Well, we're I don't know, itfeels like we're the land of the
free, because we can dowhatever we want.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
You really are.
You really are.
I mean, you know we try not totalk about politics, but we're
so restricted in this country.
It's unbelievable, it'sunbelievable, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, and I think it's just that how our society
has come about.
You know, people were giftedlands from helping the king and
the various other things.
It's not really changed those.
Those families still hold thatland from.
You know, four, five, sixhundred years ago, longer even,
um, so, uh, yeah, so there is abig movement to try and reclaim
(49:36):
some of that.
Uh, I think in the 1920s and30s, scotland had a that which
is where their right to roamcame along.
Uh, people were taking backpathways and walkways and
they've got more access and itwas on the statute books to to
revisit for us.
(49:56):
But then various other thingshave happened around the world,
so, um, it's just got forgottenabout.
But there is a movement to tryand reclaim some of those and
have some more open spaces wherewe can do.
But we are a smaller countryand there's quite a lot of
people in our bit, so it'strying to maintain it as as best
as they can.
(50:17):
I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah, I think you're probably again.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
It's the yes, you should.
You should come visit.
Make sure you give us a holler.
We have canoes and stuff.
We'll get you out there.
We'll take you fishing becauseyou can do that here.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Good.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
That's it for us for today.
Thank you so much to our guests, tim and Ade from Casual
Camping Podcast.
Please do check them out.
They are on Facebook, instagram, xthreads, youtube and
Buzzsprout, which is the samehost as we use for our podcast.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Check out their group on Facebook.
It's awesome.
It really is.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
And check us out while you're there on Facebook.
Check us out on all thosethings too, and otherwise we'll
talk to you again soon.
If you would like to talk to us, our email address is hi at
supergoodcampingcom.
That's hi atsupergoodcampingcom.
We'll talk to you again soon,bye, bye.
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