June 30, 2025 • 44 mins
Two passionate adventurers with a mission to unite outdoor enthusiasts worldwide—this conversation with CW Goetz and Maya Marzocchi from The Outdoors People Show reveals how unexpected connections can blossom into meaningful partnerships that transcend continents.
Their story begins with a t-shirt that traveled from North America to Brazil, taking three months to arrive and sparking what would become a dynamic co-hosting relationship. What makes their partnership particularly fascinating is how they complement each other—CW with his lifelong love of camping and canoeing that began in his childhood backyard, and Maya with her transformative journey from having a fear of heights to becoming an accomplished rock climber who now "feels alive" when scaling extreme heights.
The conversation dives deep into cultural differences in outdoor participation, particularly highlighting the challenges women face in adventure sports. Maya speaks candidly about Brazil's gender dynamics: "Here women need to fight three times harder to achieve whatever we want." Yet despite these barriers, she's built Brazilian Outdoor Adventure (BOA), a company dedicated to showing international visitors the natural wonders of her homeland.
What sets The Outdoors People Show apart is their focus on humans rather than just activities. As CW explains, "We get to know Maya Marzocchi through her climbing. We didn't get to know her climbing through Maya Marzocchi." This human-centered approach has allowed them to discover extraordinary stories of transformation, where outdoor adventures become vehicles for personal growth and cross-cultural understanding.
Their shared philosophy—that outdoor adventures should be free from ego and open to everyone—resonates throughout the conversation. Whether discussing CW's drum-making past (including crafting for Neil Peart) or Maya's approach to confronting fears head-on, their stories remind us that the outdoors offers endless possibilities for discovery, both of the world around us and of ourselves.
Ready to experience the transformative power of outdoor adventure? Follow CW and Maya on The Outdoors People Show, and join our community at Super Good Camping as we continue inspiring others to embrace the natural world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and good day.
Welcome to the Super GoodCamping podcast.
My name is Pamela, I'm Tim andwe are from supergoodcampingcom.
We're here because we have amission to inspire other people
to get outside and enjoy campingadventures such as we have as a
family.
Today's guests are the hosts ofa live stream, slash podcast,
slash TV show, slash radio show,and it's all about folks that
are adventuring outdoors Prettyincredible adventurers at that.
(00:23):
Please welcome CW Goetz andMaya Marzocchi from the Outdoors
People Show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Can you hear my air conditioner?
It's really hot in here, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And the three we've got running right now too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, so 44 degrees Celsius slash 112 degrees
Fahrenheit.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's insane.
It's very hot when we'rerecording this and sorry for the
noise in the background butwe're going with it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, we're promoting noise on this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's all about our comfort, right.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Everybody's comfortable here.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If I drip on the microphone that'll be a really
loud noise.
That'll be the zap that happensright there, alright, so I want
to know how you met and then Iwant to know what you guys do in
the outdoor, like where youroutdoor activities are, because
(01:19):
I feel like they maybe kind ofgo together.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah, can we tell together?
I don't know yeah, can we tell?
I don't know you mean the onewhere you found.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You saw me on the the wall of the post office is most
most wanted.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yes, I don't know if we should share that story it
doesn't sound good for us, rightwell, you know what?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
you got your version, I got mine.
It's all, good man, I'm in theprotection program.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
The two shall never meet, that's right so I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You probably remember the story better than I do.
My go ahead, yeah yeah, um.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I found you on, um, um, on amazon, with free
shipping, right, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And discounted by the way you were there on.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Amazon.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, no, I'm kidding , so um that means I didn't have
a shirt on, I was 50% Anyway.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So yeah, I, I would never buy it anyways I wouldn't
either right so yes, they.
They start actually began withcw because he always had his
company CW Gats Outdoors.
So he found me on Instagram andhe saw my pictures like rock
(02:50):
climbing and hiking.
So he sent me a t-shirt and Ireally thought that he was a
creepy or fake page or somethinglike that.
And then the t-shirt came to myhome like three months later it
was it was pretty slow, right,the brazilian, you know it
(03:14):
doesn't work yeah it doesn'twork cheapest shipping ever so
three months later his shit cameand I was like, oh so he's real
and this company is real, he'sa real person.
And then I really took likestarted to see his Instagram and
(03:36):
then we started to chat, andthen we became friends, and then
he was interviewing me and thenwe were traveling around the
world and then he got marriedwith my friend.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So that's pretty much it.
That was the Reader's Digestversion.
I like that man.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
That was quick.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I can throw in a few details if you want those.
Yeah, please.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Do you want?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
to come up with details.
Yeah, all right.
So in the meantime I called hera couple and go hey, man, did
you get the t-shirt?
Because I follow up, you know.
And she goes no, I didn't getthe t-shirt.
And did you send it?
Did you send it, where did yousend it to?
And I'm like this went on forlike three or four times.
I go well, hell, it's nevergoing to get there, I don't, you
(04:33):
know.
So anyway, and meanwhile she'sprobably thinking yeah, this
guy's a you know fake, you know.
But once and then, once she gotit, oh, in fact, you know what,
I sent a second one.
I go, I'm gonna send you oneagain, man, because the first
one didn't get there.
So I did that and I thinkthat's the one you got.
In fact, the other one, thefirst one came back to me
another six months later.
Really weird.
Yeah, anyway, brazil, get yourprogram together down there with
your deliveries, Okay.
But anyway, in the meantime wehad been talking, once she got
(04:54):
her first shirt, she goes okay,you're real.
And I said I got a show.
You know, it'd be really cool,let's do, I would love to do
like a remote broadcast inBrazil.
And she goes well, you knowwhat.
It just so happens.
I mean, there may have beensome weeks in between this, but
she said it just so happens thatI have a women's climbing
(05:16):
outing that we're going to bedoing and I said yeah, great,
that sounds perfect.
Give me some details when's itgoing to be?
And she said I think, give mesome details when's it gonna be?
And she said I'll get you thedetails soon.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
If so, maybe a week or two later she did, and I said
okay, let's do it and and Ididn't know this, but she didn't
take that seriously yeahbecause, okay, I was like so
he's coming to Brazil with hisco-host to stay here like for
two weeks to shoot a girl'sclimbing in the middle of
(05:53):
nowhere on Minas Gerais State inBrazil.
Okay, sure, fine.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, and I called her back, I said, and I said,
probably a week or so later,maybe a few days later, I said
hey, look.
I said um, here's our flightgets in at, uh, on whatever date
it was June, whatever it wasand I said we're going to be
there.
It'll be 10 30 AM flight andwe'll need you to pick us up or
we'll need a car, one of the two.
And she's like wait, what youknow you guys are coming.
(06:21):
Yeah, that's what she said, justlike that.
And I said, yeah, you said youwanted to do it right.
And she goes yeah, but hummin'and hummin' and hummin'.
I didn't think you were reallygood.
So I had scheduled mysub-co-host, my substitute
co-host from Canada, her namewas Janelle Morissette.
(06:43):
Yeah, and she said, yeah, yeah,no problem, and we, we arrived
and we go ahead.
When the rest you can tell us?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
what we did when we got there and uh and Janelle had
lots of problem, uh, buying thetickets, because I think it was
the fires and the smoke.
So the airports are not working, do you remember?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
that, oh, do you remember they were on strike?
They were on strike at theairport, remember, and they were
canceling flights.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, okay, yes, so yes, in the end of the day it
happened and he came to Braziland we had a like a blast, the
three of us, and we traveled toSao Paulo City, to the beaches
and this really small town inthe middle of nowhere, to rock
(07:30):
climb Right In the middle of thejungle.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Welcome to the jungle man and yes, we had a blast.
Like we became like brothersand sisters, like right there a
blast like we became likebrothers and sisters, like right
, yeah, I, you know the thing onmy show where, where the
co-hosts get pregnant.
Okay, I don't know what that is,but but so.
So my former two, two of mythree former co-hosts were
(07:59):
pregnant and had to leave theshow and one was going to school
, but the other two got pregnant, had to leave the show.
So, lo and behold, I called myfriend from Brazil and I said
hey, listen, I need a co-host,would you be interested in doing
that?
And again, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.
And she was kind of nervous.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I was like I just need to learn English, right,
because they do not speakEnglish.
So yes, let me learn, and thenI can be your co-host.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Fine, yeah, it's going to be a quality year.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But it happened, and so pretty soon, and I tell you
what Pam she, right off the batshe was a little nervous, which
was, you know, normal.
Oh my gosh, god, in the first,show I was shaking.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I was so nervous.
In the first show I was like,oh my gosh, I am live on, live
speaking english.
Like that's too crazy.
Even for me, rock climbing iseasier than that but but she was
.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
She was a natural right off the bat.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I go, this is gonna work just fine man in the rest
is history I had a good teacherbecause you rock it on patience
of teaching me, of teaching mehow to do that, teach me how to
speak English.
So you are a great teacher.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I just, I just taught you the slang words.
Man, you're like sister fromanother mister and mother, you
know brother from another motheryeah, no, but thank you well,
yeah, yeah, you got to get ateacher street smart stuff, you
know.
But anyway, but it was, yeah,but it was, it was kind of a
natural thing and we honestlyclicked, I think, faster than
(09:47):
anybody expected us to andcertainly surprised both of us.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So that was cool yeah , very cool when you guys are
outside doing activities, and Iknow you share some, but maybe
not everything.
What do you individually, maya,tell us what you like to do.
I know it's rock climbing.
I'm just gonna sit back herewhile you freak me out, because
I watch a lot of your content.
(10:12):
Tell me what you like to dowhen.
When you like, is it just rockclimbing?
Do you like to do hiking?
But what other things do youlike to do when?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
you're.
Oh boy, I like being outside,so I don't know.
I like doing everything andanything at the same time.
I love hiking, of course, rockclimbing, I love mountain biking
, I love canoeing, so everythingthat I can do.
(10:40):
I want to do Like I'm justwaiting for the right time to
start flying something.
I don't know what exactly, butI love everything and I love
being outside and I love beingwith my outdoors friends as well
.
So, house parts oh, I juststarted trail running as well,
(11:02):
like mountain trail run, so Ilove everything cool.
Sorry, you said canoeing yes, uh, actually here in brazil I used
to do uh canoeing canoeing, notnot sorry uh kayaking, because
it is more common.
So we do that uh when I'm notup in the mountain and when I
(11:26):
went to Cidalvo's home nearbyChicago.
We can do it a lot right.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, we canoe.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Three, four times, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah.
Is there a big differencebetween canoeing in Brazil
versus canoeing in North America, because Chicago is not
terribly different from wherewe're at.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yeah, usually in Brazil I kayak in the ocean, so
that part is different.
And also, if we are in theriver we are always in the
middle of the jungle, so bigtrees, you know like really
(12:11):
close by tree rivers, but prettymuch the same, I don't know.
Okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
CW.
What's your fun in the outdoors?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Most of my outdoors experience is with hiking and
canoeing and, of course,kayaking as well, Although I
will say that when I was youngerI used to skydive and that was
fun.
(12:54):
Younger I used to skydive andand that was fun, but I used to
drink a lot back then and Ialmost, yeah, almost, got kicked
out of the place.
They go, don't ever do thathere again.
And so they, you know, becauseI actually the problem with that
was that I I didn't rememberthem telling the direction of
the wind and because of that,you don't know, you jump out of
(13:17):
a plane.
I mean it's windy whereveryou're, you know just freaking
wind, right.
So you don't know, and unlesssomebody tells you, and then you
have, you know you canencompass, you, can you know?
And instead of going into thewind I went against or I went
with it, and then I ended upabout 50 feet from the hangar,
which was not where we weresupposed to land, and took out
(13:38):
three rows of corn, and theywere not happy with me, but
that's a whole other story.
But that was a short stint, youknow that skydiving thing, but
most of it's been canoeing andkayaking and hiking and, of
course, camping.
First thing I ever did wascamping.
I got a tent when I was in like1971.
(13:59):
I was in like first grade Ithink and you know, set the tent
up in the backyard.
You know, you stay overnight,you sleep outside overnight, and
that's cool, man, I mean you'refreaking outdoors, man, you
know, so brave, yeah, rightoutside overnight and that's
(14:22):
cool, man, I mean you're, you'refreaking, you're an outdoors
man, you know.
But so brave, yeah, right, anduh so, but but then you know the
canoe thing, and then I getinto white water and um, and you
know it just sort of, just sortof um, I guess uh, branched off
into other things, other yououtdoors things, but that's my
mainstay.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Kind of boring right?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Not at all, no, I love doing all the things that
don't involve the heights, but Ilove doing the real stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And nothing near as exciting as what Maya does, you
know.
So that's kind of Although Idid.
I tried it, though I tried it.
I did it barefoot too.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, that, although I did, I tried it, though I
tried it, I did it barefoot tooyeah, it's true, he rocked line
bed in brazil yeah, but barefoot, barefoot, yeah.
But you know something I'm kindof jealous because you guys are
always like doing those longtrips, like like kayak, you know
, and then when you kayak andthen sleep and then keep
kayaking and and go likecanoeing, in your case canoeing,
and I really want to do thatone day, because I just do that
(15:18):
walking, so canoeing sounds somuch fun, so I'm doing some of
that.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
It is a lot of fun.
Yeah, it is a lot of fun.
When you do it, you're gonnalove it.
And Tim Pamela, you guys, youguys do canoe trips for like a
week.
You know, 10 days, two weeks,something like that, right.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It is right up on the top of the list of, like you
know, adventure fun, isn't it?
I mean, because you know you'restinky and you're sweaty and
you're, you know you're beat thehell up at the end of the day,
but you know what.
You cook some good vittles,good food, and you sit around a
(15:56):
campfire and you go.
You know something.
This is I'm having fun, I'mhaving the time of my life, and
I don't even know how you candescribe that any better than
just that, and it doesn't evenscratch the surface.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I think it's one of those things you have to
experience it to understand it.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Am I right?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yes, that's exactly the point.
It is really hard to explainthe feeling for someone who has
never done, Because the wordsare not enough to explain all
those excitement right With youwhen we're outdoors and with the
company as well.
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
That's the main part.
Right, it's great and it's andand part of the deal is the yes,
it's excitement, but it's alsothe peace.
Yeah, yeah, quiet.
You're out of the city, you'reaway from all the people, you're
, you're, you're you and natureseeing nature, exactly, exactly
it, exactly it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
But I will add that the travel partners or the
adventuring partners can make orbreak your trip.
Am I right?
Oh yeah, absolutely manHopefully you've not had the
latter but yeah, I have, andI've been on some really crappy
trips because of the people Iwas with, but yeah, I think
(17:15):
everyone had one to learn right.
Everyone had that experience.
You know, I'm sure they probablydid.
I can tell you this, though,and this is I don't know, maybe
it was just my experience, butthe dudes, the guys, were always
the worst.
If there were bad trips, it wasthe guys that were the problem,
(17:35):
and I'll tell you what.
I think it really revolvesaround the, or it has to do with
it's egos.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
You know you are not right.
Sorry, you are not right.
The man always.
It is a problem In camping, inthe city, in the work oh, not
just camping, it's the wholeprogram.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, and see, the thing is the men.
I don't know if they feel likethey have got this reputation to
uphold this.
I am outdoors man, I am theleader.
It's like I'm going to tell yousomething.
I've had more men um freak outon certain situations.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
But you know, I, I, I think, while women can be
emotional in everyday life I seethat a lot but in under
stressful situations, situationsthey seem to keep their head
better than most men.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yes, I guess we know better how to handle.
And for my, look my boyfriend,he has no ego, so he doesn't
care and he goes like, okay,it's too hard, you go, go ahead,
I'm here for you, Go girl.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Go girl like, okay, it's too hard, you go go ahead,
I'm here for you, go girl, gogirl, yes, yeah, and I'm kind of
like the same way.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'm like, hey, man, show me how it's done.
I don't care, I'll learn.
I will cheer you from down here, yeah I got nothing to prove,
man, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
So, yeah, yeah, tim you, you do that too, are you?
Are you the?
You let them go.
You know, like that, you'relike hey, man, I'll show you
from down here.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You said I I you know what, if, if?
If it feels like I've got moreexperience and I need to lead,
I'll do that.
If it, if it's, if it's ateaching moment, I'm happy to
step back.
If it's, uh, I I'm not up tothat deal, have at it you gotta.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You got any kind of fears, tim, like like you, when
you guys are are tripping.
You got any fears where, uh,you say nope, you know what.
This one, pam, is the leader,she's she's nap.
She's way better at this than II am.
Or you got a fear of something.
Everybody's got a fear, man,tim.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You gotta have one man see he does tripping a lot
more with our young or with ourolder son, uh, but I don't know
that there's a situation wherehe would defer to the younger or
to the older son.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I would not defer to him if, like he, observes things
in a different way.
Our eldest has ADHD, so hisworldview is different.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Join the club.
Hey, that's a popular thing,man, we all got that right.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Neurodivergence so so if he spots something like I, I
won't ever shut him down,unless we're in an emergency
situation, which, thankfully,we've not ever really run into
um you know what?
Whoever, whoever's the bestperson for that moment.
How about her like?
I don't I don't care, but solong as we get through the trip
(20:32):
and we have a good time.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You'd be great to trip with then.
Yeah, no egos.
You know a lot of fun, but,yeah, egos ruin a lot of things,
and I think that's kind of athing that I see a lot on social
media is the male ego thing.
It's like we're better, we havea reputation to uphold.
We're better, we have areputation to uphold, and I
think Maya made me aware of theseverity of that in Brazil.
(20:59):
Am I right, maya?
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yes, here it is much harder than in North America
because Brazil it is a sexistcountry, like for sure, and we
have many social problemsbecause of that.
So here I feel like women needto fight three times harder to
(21:25):
achieve whatever we want to, andon the other hand, the men,
they just get it because feelslike it is then rights anyways,
right.
So feels like women has, uh,have no rights in general and um
, so I'm used to to fight in agood, in a good way, and I, of
(21:52):
course, I faced that in theoutdoor sports and extreme
sports, because people need toprove themselves.
But for my good luck, I foundreally nice people and in
general, women go rock climbingbetter than men.
Because of that, a way ofthinking and being calm, and try
(22:17):
to do with, with, uh, the mind,not with the, the arms.
You know this, the strong, weare being very respected in rock
climbing, but I feel like it'slike a very big fight here.
(22:40):
It's not that easy, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
But you're making progress and I think that's cool
man.
So, kudos to you guys, yeah,yeah, I don't like to fight.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Because I've seen your arms.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You're stronger than me, because I've seen your arms.
You're stronger than me I loveit.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I love it yes, I need to be stronger right here.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, exactly, right uh, aside from which I have zero
interest, I'm happy to watchpeople do it.
I'm not, no, um, although I dohave a hammer drill, so I could
put some pitons in it for you.
There you go there you go, itcan be used, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's the scariest part, where the first person
that goes up with the hammerdrill is the, isn't it, Maya?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
That's the that's the time of year.
That's crazy right.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Like oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
It is.
It is the hardest thing right.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
This one's up here doing this with the hammer,
drill and going.
And waving at the cameraexactly right, like no, no, does
my hair look good?
Yeah, I'm good, I made that up.
I made that up.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yes, yes, now I've seen the picture Right.
So tell us about the show, tellus about Cool Guests.
How about you know cool guests?
How do you, how do you wrangleguests from all over the world
to come on?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
oh my gosh, he's the best we threaten their families
and then you know it's all aboutyour house telling you know, no
, it's.
You know.
Our good friend, dennisCanoehound Rogers, asked the
same question and basically Imean, there's no magic to it.
(24:18):
I'm going to move my phone herea little bit.
There's no real big strategy toit.
What I did was and do, becausewe're going to do some more
episodes.
There's a lot of stuff onFacebook and there's a lot of
stuff on Instagram.
There's a lot of stuff onwhat's the other one, not X, but
(24:41):
everybody's on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Oh, bruce Guy now, or TikTok and stuff, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And so I just said you know what?
There's enough people doingcool stuff.
Let me just look throughInstagram and when you see what
they're doing, you go, hey, man,that's cool, that's unusual, or
maybe it's just over the top,it's really that good.
And I say, hey, listen, man,would you like to do a podcast?
(25:07):
I don't say a podcast, I justsay a show, because we're really
a live stream show.
And I said would you like to do, you know, a show, an outdoor
show?
It's called Outdoors People andI may have gotten a no, I guess
maybe at some point I don'tremember when it was I'm sure I
got one, maybe two, I don't know, but most everybody's like,
(25:32):
yeah, I mean, tell me a littlebit about the show and I kind of
give a little brief thing andmost people are up for it and
you know they're everybody from.
I mean, the interesting thing isI didn't approach that like it
was outdoor sports and I didn'tcall it outdoor sports.
I called it outdoors peoplebecause it's really about people
(25:53):
sports.
I called it Outdoors Peoplebecause it's really about people
and then we get to their coreor what they're all about
through their outdoors activity.
So you're a climber, that'slike Maya.
She was a climber, but we gotto know Maya Marzocchi through
her climbing.
We didn't get to know herclimbing through Maya Marzocchi.
You know what I'm saying.
We did it the other way around.
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So it was really about theperson and not the sport, and
that's kind of what I wanted,because life is about people,
you know, above and beyondanything else, it's about humans
, working with humans andco-working with humans.
So it was really a show abouthumans and it still is humans
(26:34):
and it still is.
But, um, we've got to know some.
We've gotten to know somereally amazing people.
Um, in the show started out tobe the camping show which, after
a couple years of that I said Ithink we we've, I think we've
exhausted every right wepossibly could without being
redundant and repeating so, butoutdoors, people is three, maybe
four years, something like that, going on.
You know, four years for thatshow, um, and I don't think you
(26:57):
ever run out of material,because it's about people.
It's not about you know what Imean.
It's not about a sport or or ahobby or whatever you want to
call it, but we've met somegreat people, some really
interesting people, fantasticpeople, and and through that
we've grown to develop anappreciation for a lot of new
(27:19):
sports, some of which I've neverheard of until doing this show.
So that's just for me.
So, maya, how about you?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
yeah, uh, yes, I don't know you.
You said it all because, um,the outdoors activities, these
sports in general, they are justa tool for us as people to
express always ourselves and uh,and be alive, and be alive and
feel alive, right, so peoplehave different experiences.
(28:00):
Show that people start doingtheir own sports because of some
specific reason, because oftheir.
Then, oh, like you know, whensomething happened in your life
and then you want to change orimprove, and then you know some
kind of sport and then youchange your life and then you
can change people's life as wellfor a good thing.
(28:22):
So great point.
Yeah, so I do not rock climbjust because I like your climb,
like Euroclimb, but because howI started, how it made me feel
and how I went to embrace peopleto do the same, and it happened
with me and I could see that inthe show so many times, like
(28:50):
the refugee girl who started toboxing and painting, oh, yeah,
right, like the story, she, shewas able to change her own, her,
like whole life because of thissport, and I love hearing that.
I love hearing people's storiesand how people became who they
(29:15):
are through all the problems andbecause of these parts, they
make it better or they feelbetter or they make people feel
better.
You know like we can seechanges in real life in the show
and, of course, know more aboutsports, right?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I think you, you probably, and I don't know if
you, if you said this, Iapologize I may have missed it,
but, um, I, you yourself, mayahad a fear of heights.
Yeah, if I'm correct, and, andyou, because of the climbing,
you know, you've learned how toaddress that and overcome that.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, totally.
I feel much more brave andsecure in my life because of
rock climbing, because I learnedhow to handle myself and handle
my problems.
Because I was afraid of heights, I didn't like to look up in
the balcony in my build.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I love that.
That's cool man.
I'm like yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Now I just feel alive if I am really, really high.
So I think it changes prettywell.
But you know, I am someone whowants to face the fear, so I
always do that.
So, for example, I am someonewho wants to face the fear, so I
always do that.
So, for example, I was afraidof a snake, so I went to a zoo
and then I touched a snake, so,okay, I'm not afraid anymore.
(30:43):
You, know, and then, I did thesame thing with rock climbing
and then the first time I rockclimbed it, I was like, oh my
gosh, Like it is the best thingI have ever done in my life, and
now I know why I'm alive.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's the reason you know like did you ever freeze
up there when you're like yourfirst time?
Did you like freak out oranything, or no?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
no, no, no, I was like I was freaking out of uh
excitement you know it was likewas like whoa, like that's
beautiful, like, oh my gosh,like I have no words.
I was like freaking out becauseI was happy, because I could do
that and because I was able toface my fears and because I was
(31:27):
able to see what regular peopledo not see and what I never
thought that I could see as well.
So every time it's like wow,like it is so good to be alive I
love it, you know what's
Speaker 2 (31:46):
funny I'm glad you share that with those of us that
can't do that tim and pamela.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You guys, you're, you're, you're great.
I love it.
You're great listeners andyou're so quiet.
So, because we're not givingyou a chance to talk, but I'm
gonna, I'm gonna, I need to.
As an interviewer, I have toask you what do you do you?
Either of you two have fearsthat you've learned to overcome
because of outdoor adventuring.
I put them on the spot.
Look at that.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I've never really had fears just about anything like
not heights, not close spaces,like none of the usual things.
I don't, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Maya, you're looking at two people here that had a
very normal childhood.
They didn't have any traumaslike you and I have.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I love.
It have always been a thing forme.
I brief interlude here.
I had a boss, we had a.
I used to work in film.
We had to do something in astudio.
I had to go up a 55 foot woodenextension ladder.
So I got up to the top and hewas a bit of a dick and he
started shaking the ladder fromthe bottom.
(32:53):
I froze.
I was stuck 55 feet in the airand I couldn't move is that man
still alive?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
my fear of heights is that man still alive?
Tim, did you let him live?
Is the man still alive afterthat?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Considering I used to deal with explosives, he should
be very thankful that he'sstill alive.
I was very unhappy with him, Ilove it Something completely off
topic.
Wow, that just popped into mybrain.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
If.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm not mistaken, you and I had a brief exchange at
one point a ways back.
You used to make musicalinstruments.
You, you made.
If I'm not mistaken, you made adrum for neil pierce I did I
did.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, yep so the rumor made it to you.
That's interesting, that's goodstuff.
But no, I did actually make hima drum, um, you know what's
really funny about that?
It was my first.
It was the first.
Let's see, wait a minute.
Okay, it was my second drum.
I think maybe I made some otherones.
(33:55):
I I don't remember, I shouldn'teven go there, but but I would
just say he was my firstcelebrity and and I was very new
at drum building at that pointand the, the, the man that um
put on a clinic that I went toeast hampton, massachusetts,
once one kind of street schoolof fine woodworking and there
(34:16):
was a drum builders uh clinicthere which I attended.
And the the the man who put on,the guy uh who put on the
clinic uh, was at the nam showum, later that, later that uh,
maybe a couple months after,actually several few months, I
think the clinic was in novemberand he went there in january,
(34:39):
february, whenever the nam showwas in anaheim, california, and
he came and he called me up andhe said there's Larry Allen who
was the drum tech for Neil Peart, the late great Neil Peart was
looking for someone to buildNeil a drum to replace the stave
(35:02):
design, cocoboloolo drum, snaredrum that is, that had been
stolen.
Now they said it checked intothe warehouse but it didn't
check out.
No, nobody seemed to know whatthat.
So it was an inside job.
Okay, inside job.
But anyway, he, he overheardthis conversation and he's like
man, I got more business and Iknow what to do with because he
(35:25):
was in the group of people thatmade drums for, like, I'm just
trying to count so many peopleI'm thinking of the Eagles, don
Henley, the Eagles, all kinds of, and not Cravato, who's the
other one?
I'm trying to think, geez, Ican't remember these people's
names now, but really big namesin the industry and he didn't
(35:46):
need an extra.
You know order like that.
He was like, you know, whateverhe goes, hey, if you're
interested, I'll set you upbecause I know Larry Allen, blah
, blah, blah.
So through Glenn Paquette, bythe way, was his name.
Glenn set me up with LarryAllen and I worked with him for
about three months.
We put together exactly the drum, or the drum exactly the way
(36:08):
Neil had his configured Sameheads, same shell, same, I think
, maybe even the same type offinish on the wood, same wood,
exactly which was Cocobola, andsame dimensions, everything Same
snare configuration on thebottom.
I don't remember what it was atthis point, but, um, he picked
(36:30):
my drum.
We waited, I mean we waited forlike six weeks or something and
finally I got word that hepicked my drum out of 36 major
drum manufacturers and major and, uh, custom drum makers.
And I said, and there wasanother one, I think that was
Gene D'Amico's drum and he madeNeil a stave drum just exactly
(36:51):
like he had before, and that'sthe reason he bought it, I was
told, because it was exactlylike the drum he had made before
.
And I think that was Gene wasthe one that made him his
original drum.
But he liked my drum, the wayit sounded and the way it played
better and I was very flatteredby that and because neil pert
had been, you know, an idol ofmine for a very long time.
So anyway, um, that's yeah,that's how that came to me.
(37:15):
Thank you for asking.
It's kind of fun to share thatstory very cool.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Nothing to do with camping.
I don't care my show I get tohear about stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
My favorite one was like Jason Bonham and meeting
him John Bonham's son because Imean he was drunker than hell
when I talked to him but we didan exchange at Dirty Nellie's in
Palatine the next night and hegot a Brazilian rosewood from me
I believe it was.
(37:44):
And oh, and the other one Iforgot was the David Letterman
show.
Getting invited to let and Iwent there.
They were.
I met Anton and David Letterman.
I met Natalie Cole it was kindof cool and hung out with Paul
Schaefer and Will Lee and allthose guys the whole day.
That was probably the mostmemorable thing for me.
That was a blast.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
That is so funny because you before being in the
outdoors stuff you were reallylike rockstar that's.
That's so funny, that's sobizarre.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I love that like, feels like feels like you live
it, like three lives in one yeah, yeah right and yeah that, and
well, won't go there, but Idon't have a Lamborghini in my
driveway or anything like that,so I definitely have one.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I might have a matchbox version of one.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah right, I don't even have that.
I don't even have that.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So give us a little bit of an idea of what your sort
of mission is, what thephilosophy behind the show is I.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I think one of the biggest things that I had in my
mind when we switched from thecamping show uh to outdoors
people was more so to to uhaside from the subject of
equipment and camping methodsand things like that um was
really, and then this was partof the camping show as well is
(39:08):
to kind of bring not just thecommunity together but people
who wanted to learn camping andoutdoors sports and activities
and thereby bring people fromaround the world closer together
through outdoor adventuring.
(39:29):
I don't know if that makes anysense, and I think we
accomplished that.
I mean, I don't think we didthat single-handedly, because
Dennis Rogers and yourselves aredoing quite the same thing.
Kevin Callen was reallyprobably as much to a credit,
and even Cliff Jacobson asanybody else, because that's
(39:51):
really they encourage.
You know what they do.
They encourage what they teach.
You know the campaign canoeingand outdoor, and I really do
think there's evidence of thatwhen we go to shows like Canoe,
copia and even the ones inCanada that you guys have I'm
trying to think of the name ofit.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Toronto Outdoor Adventure.
You know, we've got a new onenow, that's Hamilton Adventure
Expo.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Hamilton.
There you go.
That's the one, yep, because mycousin lives in Hamilton and
she was telling me about it.
But yeah, and Maya started anoutdoors company I think this is
worth mentioning in Brazil,again, bringing people in the
world together and maybe, if youdon't tell a little bit about
that company, maya, what you do,Because I think it's a very
(40:34):
cool thing.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yes, so I live abroad and when I went back, I
realized how beautiful Brazil isand every time that I travel
here, I feel like I want totravel more here, because of our
reasons, you can imaginebecause of the landscape, the
weather, the people, the food,because of everything.
And when I started the showwith CW, I saw that people don't
(41:00):
know Brazil as they should andpeople are not enjoying the
outdoors part here.
So, uh, my main uh point it isshow brazil, draw my eyes and
(41:28):
show the and um, yes to uh, tohelp people who wants to come to
brazil and don't know how tostart and don't know what to do
or where to start to look.
So I provide the sports you cando, the hotels you can stay or
(41:50):
the equipment you can rent.
So, yes, I make the trip happenfor outside people who want to
come to Brazil and know betterhow amazing we are, brazil, and
know better how amazing we areBrazilian Outdoor Adventure, and
(42:11):
that's the name.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
yeah, boa.
And she didn't tell you I don'tthink she mentioned this, guys,
but Maya, tell them where youspent a year abroad, as you say.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
A year abroad.
Oh, in Canada, yes.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I stayed a year Vancouver, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Beautiful.
Especially if you're a hiker,that's a pretty awesome place to
be.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's the main reason I went to go to Canada,
because I was like, okay, I needto go somewhere where people
hike and work.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Because I need to work so yeah, so it is not, but
I need to pay my bills, right?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
oh, there's that.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, all that ultralight stuff is not cheap
you know they say food isexpensive.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
It's a minor expense compared to all the outdoor
equipment.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
To how expensive that can be, oh, yeah, for sure, and
uh, anyone doesn't know howmuch I spend on camping we have,
I think, we're in the wrongbusiness.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
We need to go into the camping, the hiking, all
that you know.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Year man, we'd be millionaires yes, I agree yeah,
that's cool and food here inbrazil is cheap, so it is not a
big deal so let's spend all theequipment.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
If you're buying the dehydrated stuff, it's actually
pretty.
I mean it's great, but it'sit's.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
It's pricey, man yeah , super, it's super pricey.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
That's it for us for today.
Thank you so much to our guests, cw guests and maya marzocchi
for us for today.
Thank you so much to our guests, cw Guests and Maya Marzocchi
for joining us today.
Please do check them out on theOutdoors People show and they
are on the podcast or the TVshow, the radio show and the
live stream and check us outwhile you're there.
We are on all the social mediaand we're on YouTube.
Please subscribe there and youcan email us anytime.
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We are at hi atsupergoodcampingcom.
That's hi atsupergoodcampingcom and we'll
talk to you again soon.
Bye.
Hello and good day.
Welcome to the Super GoodCamping podcast.
My name is Pamela, I'm Tim andwe are from supergoodcampingcom.
We're here because we have amission to inspire other people
to get outside and enjoy campingadventures such as we have as a
family.
Today's guests are the hosts ofa live stream, slash podcast,
slash TV show, slash radio show,and it's all about folks that
are adventuring outdoors Prettyincredible adventurers at that.
(00:23):
Please welcome CW Goetz andMaya Marzocchi from the Outdoors
People Show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Can you hear my air conditioner?
It's really hot in here, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And the three we've got running right now too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, so 44 degrees Celsius slash 112 degrees
Fahrenheit.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's insane.
It's very hot when we'rerecording this and sorry for the
noise in the background butwe're going with it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, we're promoting noise on this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's all about our comfort, right.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Everybody's comfortable here.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If I drip on the microphone that'll be a really
loud noise.
That'll be the zap that happensright there, alright, so I want
to know how you met and then Iwant to know what you guys do in
the outdoor, like where youroutdoor activities are, because
(01:19):
I feel like they maybe kind ofgo together.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah, can we tell together?
I don't know yeah, can we tell?
I don't know you mean the onewhere you found.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You saw me on the the wall of the post office is most
most wanted.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yes, I don't know if we should share that story it
doesn't sound good for us, rightwell, you know what?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
you got your version, I got mine.
It's all, good man, I'm in theprotection program.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
The two shall never meet, that's right so I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You probably remember the story better than I do.
My go ahead, yeah yeah, um.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I found you on, um, um, on amazon, with free
shipping, right, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And discounted by the way you were there on.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Amazon.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, no, I'm kidding , so um that means I didn't have
a shirt on, I was 50% Anyway.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So yeah, I, I would never buy it anyways I wouldn't
either right so yes, they.
They start actually began withcw because he always had his
company CW Gats Outdoors.
So he found me on Instagram andhe saw my pictures like rock
(02:50):
climbing and hiking.
So he sent me a t-shirt and Ireally thought that he was a
creepy or fake page or somethinglike that.
And then the t-shirt came to myhome like three months later it
was it was pretty slow, right,the brazilian, you know it
(03:14):
doesn't work yeah it doesn'twork cheapest shipping ever so
three months later his shit cameand I was like, oh so he's real
and this company is real, he'sa real person.
And then I really took likestarted to see his Instagram and
(03:36):
then we started to chat, andthen we became friends, and then
he was interviewing me and thenwe were traveling around the
world and then he got marriedwith my friend.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So that's pretty much it.
That was the Reader's Digestversion.
I like that man.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
That was quick.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I can throw in a few details if you want those.
Yeah, please.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Do you want?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
to come up with details.
Yeah, all right.
So in the meantime I called hera couple and go hey, man, did
you get the t-shirt?
Because I follow up, you know.
And she goes no, I didn't getthe t-shirt.
And did you send it?
Did you send it, where did yousend it to?
And I'm like this went on forlike three or four times.
I go well, hell, it's nevergoing to get there, I don't, you
(04:33):
know.
So anyway, and meanwhile she'sprobably thinking yeah, this
guy's a you know fake, you know.
But once and then, once she gotit, oh, in fact, you know what,
I sent a second one.
I go, I'm gonna send you oneagain, man, because the first
one didn't get there.
So I did that and I thinkthat's the one you got.
In fact, the other one, thefirst one came back to me
another six months later.
Really weird.
Yeah, anyway, brazil, get yourprogram together down there with
your deliveries, Okay.
But anyway, in the meantime wehad been talking, once she got
(04:54):
her first shirt, she goes okay,you're real.
And I said I got a show.
You know, it'd be really cool,let's do, I would love to do
like a remote broadcast inBrazil.
And she goes well, you knowwhat.
It just so happens.
I mean, there may have beensome weeks in between this, but
she said it just so happens thatI have a women's climbing
(05:16):
outing that we're going to bedoing and I said yeah, great,
that sounds perfect.
Give me some details when's itgoing to be?
And she said I think, give mesome details when's it gonna be?
And she said I'll get you thedetails soon.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
If so, maybe a week or two later she did, and I said
okay, let's do it and and Ididn't know this, but she didn't
take that seriously yeahbecause, okay, I was like so
he's coming to Brazil with hisco-host to stay here like for
two weeks to shoot a girl'sclimbing in the middle of
(05:53):
nowhere on Minas Gerais State inBrazil.
Okay, sure, fine.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, and I called her back, I said, and I said,
probably a week or so later,maybe a few days later, I said
hey, look.
I said um, here's our flightgets in at, uh, on whatever date
it was June, whatever it wasand I said we're going to be
there.
It'll be 10 30 AM flight andwe'll need you to pick us up or
we'll need a car, one of the two.
And she's like wait, what youknow you guys are coming.
(06:21):
Yeah, that's what she said, justlike that.
And I said, yeah, you said youwanted to do it right.
And she goes yeah, but hummin'and hummin' and hummin'.
I didn't think you were reallygood.
So I had scheduled mysub-co-host, my substitute
co-host from Canada, her namewas Janelle Morissette.
(06:43):
Yeah, and she said, yeah, yeah,no problem, and we, we arrived
and we go ahead.
When the rest you can tell us?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
what we did when we got there and uh and Janelle had
lots of problem, uh, buying thetickets, because I think it was
the fires and the smoke.
So the airports are not working, do you remember?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
that, oh, do you remember they were on strike?
They were on strike at theairport, remember, and they were
canceling flights.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, okay, yes, so yes, in the end of the day it
happened and he came to Braziland we had a like a blast, the
three of us, and we traveled toSao Paulo City, to the beaches
and this really small town inthe middle of nowhere, to rock
(07:30):
climb Right In the middle of thejungle.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Welcome to the jungle man and yes, we had a blast.
Like we became like brothersand sisters, like right there a
blast like we became likebrothers and sisters, like right
, yeah, I, you know the thing onmy show where, where the
co-hosts get pregnant.
Okay, I don't know what that is,but but so.
So my former two, two of mythree former co-hosts were
(07:59):
pregnant and had to leave theshow and one was going to school
, but the other two got pregnant, had to leave the show.
So, lo and behold, I called myfriend from Brazil and I said
hey, listen, I need a co-host,would you be interested in doing
that?
And again, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.
And she was kind of nervous.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I was like I just need to learn English, right,
because they do not speakEnglish.
So yes, let me learn, and thenI can be your co-host.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Fine, yeah, it's going to be a quality year.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But it happened, and so pretty soon, and I tell you
what Pam she, right off the batshe was a little nervous, which
was, you know, normal.
Oh my gosh, god, in the first,show I was shaking.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I was so nervous.
In the first show I was like,oh my gosh, I am live on, live
speaking english.
Like that's too crazy.
Even for me, rock climbing iseasier than that but but she was
.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
She was a natural right off the bat.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I go, this is gonna work just fine man in the rest
is history I had a good teacherbecause you rock it on patience
of teaching me, of teaching mehow to do that, teach me how to
speak English.
So you are a great teacher.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I just, I just taught you the slang words.
Man, you're like sister fromanother mister and mother, you
know brother from another motheryeah, no, but thank you well,
yeah, yeah, you got to get ateacher street smart stuff, you
know.
But anyway, but it was, yeah,but it was, it was kind of a
natural thing and we honestlyclicked, I think, faster than
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anybody expected us to andcertainly surprised both of us.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So that was cool yeah , very cool when you guys are
outside doing activities, and Iknow you share some, but maybe
not everything.
What do you individually, maya,tell us what you like to do.
I know it's rock climbing.
I'm just gonna sit back herewhile you freak me out, because
I watch a lot of your content.
(10:12):
Tell me what you like to dowhen.
When you like, is it just rockclimbing?
Do you like to do hiking?
But what other things do youlike to do when?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
you're.
Oh boy, I like being outside,so I don't know.
I like doing everything andanything at the same time.
I love hiking, of course, rockclimbing, I love mountain biking
, I love canoeing, so everythingthat I can do.
(10:40):
I want to do Like I'm justwaiting for the right time to
start flying something.
I don't know what exactly, butI love everything and I love
being outside and I love beingwith my outdoors friends as well
.
So, house parts oh, I juststarted trail running as well,
(11:02):
like mountain trail run, so Ilove everything cool.
Sorry, you said canoeing yes, uh, actually here in brazil I used
to do uh canoeing canoeing, notnot sorry uh kayaking, because
it is more common.
So we do that uh when I'm notup in the mountain and when I
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went to Cidalvo's home nearbyChicago.
We can do it a lot right.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, we canoe.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Three, four times, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah.
Is there a big differencebetween canoeing in Brazil
versus canoeing in North America, because Chicago is not
terribly different from wherewe're at.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yeah, usually in Brazil I kayak in the ocean, so
that part is different.
And also, if we are in theriver we are always in the
middle of the jungle, so bigtrees, you know like really
(12:11):
close by tree rivers, but prettymuch the same, I don't know.
Okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
CW.
What's your fun in the outdoors?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Most of my outdoors experience is with hiking and
canoeing and, of course,kayaking as well, Although I
will say that when I was youngerI used to skydive and that was
fun.
(12:54):
Younger I used to skydive andand that was fun, but I used to
drink a lot back then and Ialmost, yeah, almost, got kicked
out of the place.
They go, don't ever do thathere again.
And so they, you know, becauseI actually the problem with that
was that I I didn't rememberthem telling the direction of
the wind and because of that,you don't know, you jump out of
(13:17):
a plane.
I mean it's windy whereveryou're, you know just freaking
wind, right.
So you don't know, and unlesssomebody tells you, and then you
have, you know you canencompass, you, can you know?
And instead of going into thewind I went against or I went
with it, and then I ended upabout 50 feet from the hangar,
which was not where we weresupposed to land, and took out
(13:38):
three rows of corn, and theywere not happy with me, but
that's a whole other story.
But that was a short stint, youknow that skydiving thing, but
most of it's been canoeing andkayaking and hiking and, of
course, camping.
First thing I ever did wascamping.
I got a tent when I was in like1971.
(13:59):
I was in like first grade Ithink and you know, set the tent
up in the backyard.
You know, you stay overnight,you sleep outside overnight, and
that's cool, man, I mean you'refreaking outdoors, man, you
know, so brave, yeah, rightoutside overnight and that's
(14:22):
cool, man, I mean you're, you'refreaking, you're an outdoors
man, you know.
But so brave, yeah, right, anduh so, but but then you know the
canoe thing, and then I getinto white water and um, and you
know it just sort of, just sortof um, I guess uh, branched off
into other things, other yououtdoors things, but that's my
mainstay.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Kind of boring right?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Not at all, no, I love doing all the things that
don't involve the heights, but Ilove doing the real stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
And nothing near as exciting as what Maya does, you
know.
So that's kind of Although Idid.
I tried it, though I tried it.
I did it barefoot too.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, that, although I did, I tried it, though I
tried it, I did it barefoot tooyeah, it's true, he rocked line
bed in brazil yeah, but barefoot, barefoot, yeah.
But you know something I'm kindof jealous because you guys are
always like doing those longtrips, like like kayak, you know
, and then when you kayak andthen sleep and then keep
kayaking and and go likecanoeing, in your case canoeing,
and I really want to do thatone day, because I just do that
(15:18):
walking, so canoeing sounds somuch fun, so I'm doing some of
that.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
It is a lot of fun.
Yeah, it is a lot of fun.
When you do it, you're gonnalove it.
And Tim Pamela, you guys, youguys do canoe trips for like a
week.
You know, 10 days, two weeks,something like that, right.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It is right up on the top of the list of, like you
know, adventure fun, isn't it?
I mean, because you know you'restinky and you're sweaty and
you're, you know you're beat thehell up at the end of the day,
but you know what.
You cook some good vittles,good food, and you sit around a
(15:56):
campfire and you go.
You know something.
This is I'm having fun, I'mhaving the time of my life, and
I don't even know how you candescribe that any better than
just that, and it doesn't evenscratch the surface.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I think it's one of those things you have to
experience it to understand it.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Am I right?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yes, that's exactly the point.
It is really hard to explainthe feeling for someone who has
never done, Because the wordsare not enough to explain all
those excitement right With youwhen we're outdoors and with the
company as well.
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
That's the main part.
Right, it's great and it's andand part of the deal is the yes,
it's excitement, but it's alsothe peace.
Yeah, yeah, quiet.
You're out of the city, you'reaway from all the people, you're
, you're, you're you and natureseeing nature, exactly, exactly
it, exactly it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
But I will add that the travel partners or the
adventuring partners can make orbreak your trip.
Am I right?
Oh yeah, absolutely manHopefully you've not had the
latter but yeah, I have, andI've been on some really crappy
trips because of the people Iwas with, but yeah, I think
(17:15):
everyone had one to learn right.
Everyone had that experience.
You know, I'm sure they probablydid.
I can tell you this, though,and this is I don't know, maybe
it was just my experience, butthe dudes, the guys, were always
the worst.
If there were bad trips, it wasthe guys that were the problem,
(17:35):
and I'll tell you what.
I think it really revolvesaround the, or it has to do with
it's egos.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
You know you are not right.
Sorry, you are not right.
The man always.
It is a problem In camping, inthe city, in the work oh, not
just camping, it's the wholeprogram.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, and see, the thing is the men.
I don't know if they feel likethey have got this reputation to
uphold this.
I am outdoors man, I am theleader.
It's like I'm going to tell yousomething.
I've had more men um freak outon certain situations.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
But you know, I, I, I think, while women can be
emotional in everyday life I seethat a lot but in under
stressful situations, situationsthey seem to keep their head
better than most men.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yes, I guess we know better how to handle.
And for my, look my boyfriend,he has no ego, so he doesn't
care and he goes like, okay,it's too hard, you go, go ahead,
I'm here for you, Go girl.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Go girl like, okay, it's too hard, you go go ahead,
I'm here for you, go girl, gogirl, yes, yeah, and I'm kind of
like the same way.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'm like, hey, man, show me how it's done.
I don't care, I'll learn.
I will cheer you from down here, yeah I got nothing to prove,
man, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
So, yeah, yeah, tim you, you do that too, are you?
Are you the?
You let them go.
You know, like that, you'relike hey, man, I'll show you
from down here.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You said I I you know what, if, if?
If it feels like I've got moreexperience and I need to lead,
I'll do that.
If it, if it's, if it's ateaching moment, I'm happy to
step back.
If it's, uh, I I'm not up tothat deal, have at it you gotta.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You got any kind of fears, tim, like like you, when
you guys are are tripping.
You got any fears where, uh,you say nope, you know what.
This one, pam, is the leader,she's she's nap.
She's way better at this than II am.
Or you got a fear of something.
Everybody's got a fear, man,tim.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You gotta have one man see he does tripping a lot
more with our young or with ourolder son, uh, but I don't know
that there's a situation wherehe would defer to the younger or
to the older son.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I would not defer to him if, like he, observes things
in a different way.
Our eldest has ADHD, so hisworldview is different.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Join the club.
Hey, that's a popular thing,man, we all got that right.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Neurodivergence so so if he spots something like I, I
won't ever shut him down,unless we're in an emergency
situation, which, thankfully,we've not ever really run into
um you know what?
Whoever, whoever's the bestperson for that moment.
How about her like?
I don't I don't care, but solong as we get through the trip
(20:32):
and we have a good time.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You'd be great to trip with then.
Yeah, no egos.
You know a lot of fun, but,yeah, egos ruin a lot of things,
and I think that's kind of athing that I see a lot on social
media is the male ego thing.
It's like we're better, we havea reputation to uphold.
We're better, we have areputation to uphold, and I
think Maya made me aware of theseverity of that in Brazil.
(20:59):
Am I right, maya?
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yes, here it is much harder than in North America
because Brazil it is a sexistcountry, like for sure, and we
have many social problemsbecause of that.
So here I feel like women needto fight three times harder to
(21:25):
achieve whatever we want to, andon the other hand, the men,
they just get it because feelslike it is then rights anyways,
right.
So feels like women has, uh,have no rights in general and um
, so I'm used to to fight in agood, in a good way, and I, of
(21:52):
course, I faced that in theoutdoor sports and extreme
sports, because people need toprove themselves.
But for my good luck, I foundreally nice people and in
general, women go rock climbingbetter than men.
Because of that, a way ofthinking and being calm, and try
(22:17):
to do with, with, uh, the mind,not with the, the arms.
You know this, the strong, weare being very respected in rock
climbing, but I feel like it'slike a very big fight here.
(22:40):
It's not that easy, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
But you're making progress and I think that's cool
man.
So, kudos to you guys, yeah,yeah, I don't like to fight.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Because I've seen your arms.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You're stronger than me, because I've seen your arms.
You're stronger than me I loveit.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I love it yes, I need to be stronger right here.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, exactly, right uh, aside from which I have zero
interest, I'm happy to watchpeople do it.
I'm not, no, um, although I dohave a hammer drill, so I could
put some pitons in it for you.
There you go there you go, itcan be used, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's the scariest part, where the first person
that goes up with the hammerdrill is the, isn't it, Maya?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
That's the that's the time of year.
That's crazy right.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Like oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
It is.
It is the hardest thing right.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
This one's up here doing this with the hammer,
drill and going.
And waving at the cameraexactly right, like no, no, does
my hair look good?
Yeah, I'm good, I made that up.
I made that up.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yes, yes, now I've seen the picture Right.
So tell us about the show, tellus about Cool Guests.
How about you know cool guests?
How do you, how do you wrangleguests from all over the world
to come on?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
oh my gosh, he's the best we threaten their families
and then you know it's all aboutyour house telling you know, no
, it's.
You know.
Our good friend, dennisCanoehound Rogers, asked the
same question and basically Imean, there's no magic to it.
(24:18):
I'm going to move my phone herea little bit.
There's no real big strategy toit.
What I did was and do, becausewe're going to do some more
episodes.
There's a lot of stuff onFacebook and there's a lot of
stuff on Instagram.
There's a lot of stuff onwhat's the other one, not X, but
(24:41):
everybody's on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Oh, bruce Guy now, or TikTok and stuff, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And so I just said you know what?
There's enough people doingcool stuff.
Let me just look throughInstagram and when you see what
they're doing, you go, hey, man,that's cool, that's unusual, or
maybe it's just over the top,it's really that good.
And I say, hey, listen, man,would you like to do a podcast?
(25:07):
I don't say a podcast, I justsay a show, because we're really
a live stream show.
And I said would you like to do, you know, a show, an outdoor
show?
It's called Outdoors People andI may have gotten a no, I guess
maybe at some point I don'tremember when it was I'm sure I
got one, maybe two, I don't know, but most everybody's like,
(25:32):
yeah, I mean, tell me a littlebit about the show and I kind of
give a little brief thing andmost people are up for it and
you know they're everybody from.
I mean, the interesting thing isI didn't approach that like it
was outdoor sports and I didn'tcall it outdoor sports.
I called it outdoors peoplebecause it's really about people
(25:53):
sports.
I called it Outdoors Peoplebecause it's really about people
and then we get to their coreor what they're all about
through their outdoors activity.
So you're a climber, that'slike Maya.
She was a climber, but we gotto know Maya Marzocchi through
her climbing.
We didn't get to know herclimbing through Maya Marzocchi.
You know what I'm saying.
We did it the other way around.
(26:14):
So it was really about theperson and not the sport, and
that's kind of what I wanted,because life is about people,
you know, above and beyondanything else, it's about humans
, working with humans andco-working with humans.
So it was really a show abouthumans and it still is humans
(26:34):
and it still is.
But, um, we've got to know some.
We've gotten to know somereally amazing people.
Um, in the show started out tobe the camping show which, after
a couple years of that I said Ithink we we've, I think we've
exhausted every right wepossibly could without being
redundant and repeating so, butoutdoors, people is three, maybe
four years, something like that, going on.
You know, four years for thatshow, um, and I don't think you
(26:57):
ever run out of material,because it's about people.
It's not about you know what Imean.
It's not about a sport or or ahobby or whatever you want to
call it, but we've met somegreat people, some really
interesting people, fantasticpeople, and and through that
we've grown to develop anappreciation for a lot of new
(27:19):
sports, some of which I've neverheard of until doing this show.
So that's just for me.
So, maya, how about you?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
yeah, uh, yes, I don't know you.
You said it all because, um,the outdoors activities, these
sports in general, they are justa tool for us as people to
express always ourselves and uh,and be alive, and be alive and
feel alive, right, so peoplehave different experiences.
(28:00):
Show that people start doingtheir own sports because of some
specific reason, because oftheir.
Then, oh, like you know, whensomething happened in your life
and then you want to change orimprove, and then you know some
kind of sport and then youchange your life and then you
can change people's life as wellfor a good thing.
(28:22):
So great point.
Yeah, so I do not rock climbjust because I like your climb,
like Euroclimb, but because howI started, how it made me feel
and how I went to embrace peopleto do the same, and it happened
with me and I could see that inthe show so many times, like
(28:50):
the refugee girl who started toboxing and painting, oh, yeah,
right, like the story, she, shewas able to change her own, her,
like whole life because of thissport, and I love hearing that.
I love hearing people's storiesand how people became who they
(29:15):
are through all the problems andbecause of these parts, they
make it better or they feelbetter or they make people feel
better.
You know like we can seechanges in real life in the show
and, of course, know more aboutsports, right?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I think you, you probably, and I don't know if
you, if you said this, Iapologize I may have missed it,
but, um, I, you yourself, mayahad a fear of heights.
Yeah, if I'm correct, and, andyou, because of the climbing,
you know, you've learned how toaddress that and overcome that.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, totally.
I feel much more brave andsecure in my life because of
rock climbing, because I learnedhow to handle myself and handle
my problems.
Because I was afraid of heights, I didn't like to look up in
the balcony in my build.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I love that.
That's cool man.
I'm like yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Now I just feel alive if I am really, really high.
So I think it changes prettywell.
But you know, I am someone whowants to face the fear, so I
always do that.
So, for example, I am someonewho wants to face the fear, so I
always do that.
So, for example, I was afraidof a snake, so I went to a zoo
and then I touched a snake, so,okay, I'm not afraid anymore.
(30:43):
You, know, and then, I did thesame thing with rock climbing
and then the first time I rockclimbed it, I was like, oh my
gosh, Like it is the best thingI have ever done in my life, and
now I know why I'm alive.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's the reason you know like did you ever freeze
up there when you're like yourfirst time?
Did you like freak out oranything, or no?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
no, no, no, I was like I was freaking out of uh
excitement you know it was likewas like whoa, like that's
beautiful, like, oh my gosh,like I have no words.
I was like freaking out becauseI was happy, because I could do
that and because I was able toface my fears and because I was
(31:27):
able to see what regular peopledo not see and what I never
thought that I could see as well.
So every time it's like wow,like it is so good to be alive I
love it, you know what's
Speaker 2 (31:46):
funny I'm glad you share that with those of us that
can't do that tim and pamela.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You guys, you're, you're, you're great.
I love it.
You're great listeners andyou're so quiet.
So, because we're not givingyou a chance to talk, but I'm
gonna, I'm gonna, I need to.
As an interviewer, I have toask you what do you do you?
Either of you two have fearsthat you've learned to overcome
because of outdoor adventuring.
I put them on the spot.
Look at that.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I've never really had fears just about anything like
not heights, not close spaces,like none of the usual things.
I don't, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Maya, you're looking at two people here that had a
very normal childhood.
They didn't have any traumaslike you and I have.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I love.
It have always been a thing forme.
I brief interlude here.
I had a boss, we had a.
I used to work in film.
We had to do something in astudio.
I had to go up a 55 foot woodenextension ladder.
So I got up to the top and hewas a bit of a dick and he
started shaking the ladder fromthe bottom.
(32:53):
I froze.
I was stuck 55 feet in the airand I couldn't move is that man
still alive?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
my fear of heights is that man still alive?
Tim, did you let him live?
Is the man still alive afterthat?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Considering I used to deal with explosives, he should
be very thankful that he'sstill alive.
I was very unhappy with him, Ilove it Something completely off
topic.
Wow, that just popped into mybrain.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
If.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm not mistaken, you and I had a brief exchange at
one point a ways back.
You used to make musicalinstruments.
You, you made.
If I'm not mistaken, you made adrum for neil pierce I did I
did.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, yep so the rumor made it to you.
That's interesting, that's goodstuff.
But no, I did actually make hima drum, um, you know what's
really funny about that?
It was my first.
It was the first.
Let's see, wait a minute.
Okay, it was my second drum.
I think maybe I made some otherones.
(33:55):
I I don't remember, I shouldn'teven go there, but but I would
just say he was my firstcelebrity and and I was very new
at drum building at that pointand the, the, the man that um
put on a clinic that I went toeast hampton, massachusetts,
once one kind of street schoolof fine woodworking and there
(34:16):
was a drum builders uh clinicthere which I attended.
And the the the man who put on,the guy uh who put on the
clinic uh, was at the nam showum, later that, later that uh,
maybe a couple months after,actually several few months, I
think the clinic was in novemberand he went there in january,
(34:39):
february, whenever the nam showwas in anaheim, california, and
he came and he called me up andhe said there's Larry Allen who
was the drum tech for Neil Peart, the late great Neil Peart was
looking for someone to buildNeil a drum to replace the stave
(35:02):
design, cocoboloolo drum, snaredrum that is, that had been
stolen.
Now they said it checked intothe warehouse but it didn't
check out.
No, nobody seemed to know whatthat.
So it was an inside job.
Okay, inside job.
But anyway, he, he overheardthis conversation and he's like
man, I got more business and Iknow what to do with because he
(35:25):
was in the group of people thatmade drums for, like, I'm just
trying to count so many peopleI'm thinking of the Eagles, don
Henley, the Eagles, all kinds of, and not Cravato, who's the
other one?
I'm trying to think, geez, Ican't remember these people's
names now, but really big namesin the industry and he didn't
(35:46):
need an extra.
You know order like that.
He was like, you know, whateverhe goes, hey, if you're
interested, I'll set you upbecause I know Larry Allen, blah
, blah, blah.
So through Glenn Paquette, bythe way, was his name.
Glenn set me up with LarryAllen and I worked with him for
about three months.
We put together exactly the drum, or the drum exactly the way
(36:08):
Neil had his configured Sameheads, same shell, same, I think
, maybe even the same type offinish on the wood, same wood,
exactly which was Cocobola, andsame dimensions, everything Same
snare configuration on thebottom.
I don't remember what it was atthis point, but, um, he picked
(36:30):
my drum.
We waited, I mean we waited forlike six weeks or something and
finally I got word that hepicked my drum out of 36 major
drum manufacturers and major and, uh, custom drum makers.
And I said, and there wasanother one, I think that was
Gene D'Amico's drum and he madeNeil a stave drum just exactly
(36:51):
like he had before, and that'sthe reason he bought it, I was
told, because it was exactlylike the drum he had made before
.
And I think that was Gene wasthe one that made him his
original drum.
But he liked my drum, the wayit sounded and the way it played
better and I was very flatteredby that and because neil pert
had been, you know, an idol ofmine for a very long time.
So anyway, um, that's yeah,that's how that came to me.
(37:15):
Thank you for asking.
It's kind of fun to share thatstory very cool.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Nothing to do with camping.
I don't care my show I get tohear about stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
My favorite one was like Jason Bonham and meeting
him John Bonham's son because Imean he was drunker than hell
when I talked to him but we didan exchange at Dirty Nellie's in
Palatine the next night and hegot a Brazilian rosewood from me
I believe it was.
(37:44):
And oh, and the other one Iforgot was the David Letterman
show.
Getting invited to let and Iwent there.
They were.
I met Anton and David Letterman.
I met Natalie Cole it was kindof cool and hung out with Paul
Schaefer and Will Lee and allthose guys the whole day.
That was probably the mostmemorable thing for me.
That was a blast.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
That is so funny because you before being in the
outdoors stuff you were reallylike rockstar that's.
That's so funny, that's sobizarre.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
I love that like, feels like feels like you live
it, like three lives in one yeah, yeah right and yeah that, and
well, won't go there, but Idon't have a Lamborghini in my
driveway or anything like that,so I definitely have one.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I might have a matchbox version of one.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah right, I don't even have that.
I don't even have that.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
So give us a little bit of an idea of what your sort
of mission is, what thephilosophy behind the show is I.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
I think one of the biggest things that I had in my
mind when we switched from thecamping show uh to outdoors
people was more so to to uhaside from the subject of
equipment and camping methodsand things like that um was
really, and then this was partof the camping show as well is
(39:08):
to kind of bring not just thecommunity together but people
who wanted to learn camping andoutdoors sports and activities
and thereby bring people fromaround the world closer together
through outdoor adventuring.
(39:29):
I don't know if that makes anysense, and I think we
accomplished that.
I mean, I don't think we didthat single-handedly, because
Dennis Rogers and yourselves aredoing quite the same thing.
Kevin Callen was reallyprobably as much to a credit,
and even Cliff Jacobson asanybody else, because that's
(39:51):
really they encourage.
You know what they do.
They encourage what they teach.
You know the campaign canoeingand outdoor, and I really do
think there's evidence of thatwhen we go to shows like Canoe,
copia and even the ones inCanada that you guys have I'm
trying to think of the name ofit.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Toronto Outdoor Adventure.
You know, we've got a new onenow, that's Hamilton Adventure
Expo.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Hamilton.
There you go.
That's the one, yep, because mycousin lives in Hamilton and
she was telling me about it.
But yeah, and Maya started anoutdoors company I think this is
worth mentioning in Brazil,again, bringing people in the
world together and maybe, if youdon't tell a little bit about
that company, maya, what you do,Because I think it's a very
(40:34):
cool thing.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yes, so I live abroad and when I went back, I
realized how beautiful Brazil isand every time that I travel
here, I feel like I want totravel more here, because of our
reasons, you can imaginebecause of the landscape, the
weather, the people, the food,because of everything.
And when I started the showwith CW, I saw that people don't
(41:00):
know Brazil as they should andpeople are not enjoying the
outdoors part here.
So, uh, my main uh point it isshow brazil, draw my eyes and
(41:28):
show the and um, yes to uh, tohelp people who wants to come to
brazil and don't know how tostart and don't know what to do
or where to start to look.
So I provide the sports you cando, the hotels you can stay or
(41:50):
the equipment you can rent.
So, yes, I make the trip happenfor outside people who want to
come to Brazil and know betterhow amazing we are, brazil, and
know better how amazing we areBrazilian Outdoor Adventure, and
(42:11):
that's the name.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
yeah, boa.
And she didn't tell you I don'tthink she mentioned this, guys,
but Maya, tell them where youspent a year abroad, as you say.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
A year abroad.
Oh, in Canada, yes.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I stayed a year Vancouver, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Beautiful.
Especially if you're a hiker,that's a pretty awesome place to
be.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's the main reason I went to go to Canada,
because I was like, okay, I needto go somewhere where people
hike and work.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Because I need to work so yeah, so it is not, but
I need to pay my bills, right?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
oh, there's that.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, all that ultralight stuff is not cheap
you know they say food isexpensive.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
It's a minor expense compared to all the outdoor
equipment.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
To how expensive that can be, oh, yeah, for sure, and
uh, anyone doesn't know howmuch I spend on camping we have,
I think, we're in the wrongbusiness.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
We need to go into the camping, the hiking, all
that you know.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Year man, we'd be millionaires yes, I agree yeah,
that's cool and food here inbrazil is cheap, so it is not a
big deal so let's spend all theequipment.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
If you're buying the dehydrated stuff, it's actually
pretty.
I mean it's great, but it'sit's.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
It's pricey, man yeah , super, it's super pricey.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
That's it for us for today.
Thank you so much to our guests, cw guests and maya marzocchi
for us for today.
Thank you so much to our guests, cw Guests and Maya Marzocchi
for joining us today.
Please do check them out on theOutdoors People show and they
are on the podcast or the TVshow, the radio show and the
live stream and check us outwhile you're there.
We are on all the social mediaand we're on YouTube.
Please subscribe there and youcan email us anytime.
(44:02):
We are at hi atsupergoodcampingcom.
That's hi atsupergoodcampingcom and we'll
talk to you again soon.
Bye.
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