June 30, 2025 • 35 mins
In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Bob McCowell, a natural health pioneer, shares his extensive knowledge on nutrition, focusing on the benefits of spirulina and chlorella. He discusses the importance of natural B12 sources, the advantages of a raw food diet, and the detoxifying properties of these superfoods. Dr. Bob emphasizes the significance of quality sourcing for spirulina and chlorella, urging listeners to be mindful of their food origins. His insights provide a comprehensive understanding of how to optimize health through natural means.
Find Dr. Bob at www.drbobmccauley.com.
Takeaways
- Dr. Bob has over 30 years of experience in natural health.
- Spirulina and chlorella are the most nutritionally dense foods.
- Natural B12 can be sourced from chlorella, not just meat.
- Raw foods are essential for optimal health and detoxification.
- Cyanocobalamin is a synthetic form of B12 to avoid.
- Chlorella binds with heavy metals and toxins, aiding detoxification.
- Quality sourcing of spirulina and chlorella is crucial for health.
- Health is a lifestyle, not just an event or a quick fix.
- You are what you can assimilate, not just what you eat.
- Following nature is key to maintaining health.
Chapters
00:00
Introduction to Dr. Bob McCowell and His Journey
02:32
The Power of Spirulina and Chlorella
06:11
Understanding B12: Natural vs. Synthetic
09:45
The Importance of Natural Nutrition
13:47
The Role of Raw Foods in Health
17:15
The Future of Nutrition and Health
21:04
The Dangers of Soy and the Simplicity of Health
22:11
Detoxification: The Power of Chlorella and Spirulina
25:03
The Importance of Raw Foods for Detoxification
26:21
The Quality of Food: Sourcing and Understanding
28:14
The Importance of Quality in Supplements
32:29
Understanding Minerals and Their Role in Health
Keywords
nutrition, plant-based living, wellness, Dr. Bob McCowell, Spirulina, Chlorella, B12, detoxification, raw foods, health, superfoods
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(00:05):
Hi, I'm Crystal. And I'm Michael, and we're the
founders of Super Plans. If you're ready to improve your
health and live a life you love,hit subscribe and let's get
started. Welcome to Super Health Podcast.
Welcome to another episode wherewe dive deep into the world of
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nutrition and based living in Wellness.
Today we're joined by true health pioneer, natural health
pioneer for over 30 years, Doctor Bob Mccowell.
Bob is a neuropathic Dr. with over 30 years experience and the
owner of Watershed Wellness. You maybe know him from the
products Doctor Bob's products, actually his own products and
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he's the largest importer of spirulina and Cruella in the US.
He authored 11 books on health, detoxification, water longevity,
making him one of the most experts, especially on the
Cruella and algae based nutrition.
If you ever wanted about B12 andplant based nutrition or how to
optimize your health naturally, this is the conversation I have
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with Bob. Now Bob is here to break down
the truth about synthetic versusnatural B12 and Cruella and
screwlina and super foods in general.
So Bob, I'm super excited to have you.
Thank you for coming on the show.
Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
I was just kind of setting up mybook here.
It's not correct. It's not cooperating very well,
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but I wrote that. We saw a little bit.
And. We're going to link it up
anyways. OK, You, you wrote a fantastic
book about Spiro and Cruella, the kings of superfoods, you
call them, and that's a great bridge for anybody who doesn't
know you. Tell us a little bit your
background and how did you get into Cruella Spirulina in in the
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first place? Well, OK, so I started out in
the bottled water business aboutit's going on almost 32 years
and my father was an expert in water.
He'd been the as educated at MIT, He taught at Michigan State
University. He went on to form his own
engineering company. So he knew groundwater and
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that's how I got into sort of business.
And then, so it's a long story, but you know, I was in the
supermarkets and I, it didn't take long for me to figure out,
OK, these people are going to control my business.
So I got to take this and do something my own.
So I opened up the, you know, the first water, bottled water
store in Lansing, MI and what really one of the first in the
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country. There weren't too many out
there, especially this back in the night.
So now I, I had already been a vegetarian since 1980s.
So now we're talking, you know, 1718 years before I heard about
spirulina. I've never heard of it.
And it was actually pretty well known at the time among certain
people, health minded people, I'd never heard of it.
And I started taking spirulina and I'm an athlete and I'm a
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runner. And all of a sudden I could
immediately tell this was like an amazing thing.
And my, my times my got better when I was running and my
recovery times were shorter and I just felt great.
So then I started going out and at the dead back in the day
again, we're talking the 90s. I went out to the health food
store and I found a little book on spirulina.
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And then I looked around and I saw here's here's another book
on chlorella. So what is chlorella?
So I got that. I read that through as one of
these little short 50 page books, like a pamphlet.
And so I started reading. I'm like, these are 60% protein
number one. I can't believe I never heard
about them. I was, well, I was, I was not
eating meat, but I wasn't a vegan yet.
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So meat, fish that I would eat fish and I would eat eggs and
dairy. And then once I found spreelin
and chlorella, I said, OK, why am I eating any of this?
This is 60% protein. Spreelin and chlorella, they're
both about around 60% protein, where if you look at animal
protein, like meat in general isaround 1515 to maybe 18%, maybe
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20 on the very high side. If you go out and you shoot a
deer, you can get a little higher.
But anyway, it's not anywhere near the amount of protein
you're going to find in sprayline and chlorella.
And so right away I just, I knewthese things were amazing.
So that's how I started. And then I said, OK, so I had a
store called the Watershed and then eventually became Watershed
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Wellness Center, which is that'swhat it is.
Now, you know, I started, you know, selling, I said, I got to
get a source for this and start bottling it myself itself, which
I did. And I was buying from Hawaii
Cyanotech at the time. And they're about for Spirulina
and they're about the only ones out there.
There really wasn't anybody elseselling spirulina, certainly not
domestically. And so he started selling that
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and then and bottling it and putting into my brand, which is
not Doctor Bob's. Back then it was just called
Watershed. And then, you know, so then I
looked around, I got on the Internet again.
We're talking not. So it was kind of a miracle how
I found Taiwan Chlorella because, you know, it wasn't
like it. You really didn't have a lot to
go on back then. I mean, you know, Google wasn't
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even Google, you know, it was big.
You could search for stuff. And I came across Taiwan Cruella
and I emailed this guy, and nextthing you know, he sends me
these tablets and they're all, you know, comes in a little
envelope, you know, and I must have been 2030 grams.
They're all broken apart. You know, they've been through
the mail. Yeah, I'm going, wow, this is
great. So then I got 10 kilos, which is
22 lbs. So my secretary says what?
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You know, it's like, what did you do?
There's are you ever going to sell this?
You're never going to eat that. I said I'm going to sell this.
No ones ever going to buy that. Well, that was 10 kilos.
I import around between 80 to 100 tons per year, metric tons
of Spraylene and Chlorella combined.
So I am the biggest X importer in the US of Cruella and Sprelli
and not from China. There's probably some other guys
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out there, especially these big corporations that keep gobbling
up all those small companies. They might be doing more.
I don't, I don't know. I could look at Export import,
right? Right.
And we're, we're going to dive into the quality of, of criteria
and Corolla because so importantin scrutiny.
And too, I wanted to say that right, you did it in the 90s and
you heard it from health people.Now it's 2025 and still not
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enough people talk about no, right?
You talk about 60% protein. I mean, we talk about protein
all the time. Everybody talks about protein.
Get more proteins here. There are these algae and
spirulina and corella as well, right?
Having so much protein, what I wanted to talk about, we can
talk about so many things with you because the water thing and
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the water topic is this on podcast.
Yeah, we might have you back about water and educating about
water because you're an expert there.
But I wanted to focus today on the B12 because right, one of
the things a lot of plant based people, but we know actually
everybody should supplement on B12.
Tell us a little bit about Cruella and and spirulina and
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B12 and and the debate there. Can you actually get it?
Because usually right in supplements it's just a
synthetic. Every supplement I know it's a
synthetic version of B12. Right.
So I've done a lot of studying on B12.
First of all, it's pretty well regarded that you can get B12
from chlorella and that it's in the right form so your body can
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absorb it. But spirulina, there is a lot of
people, it's controversial to say, hey, that's analog.
In other words, it looks like B12, but you're really not
getting the actual molecule of B12.
And you know, really for, for, well, there's basically 3 forms
of B12. There's cyanocobamin, OK, then
there's methylcobamin. That's what our body wants.
And then I get the other one is hexa hexa 1000 cobamin.
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And it's, it's not any more effective than methylcobamin and
it's a lot more expensive. So you can get that, but you
don't really need to. Now, I always make the point,
you know, where to where do people get the, where does the
average person get their B12? Where they get it from me or
they get it from dairy, meat, fish, eggs or dairy.
But I always make the point withpeople like, and then they come
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in and say, I look, I'm a meat meat eater.
And I said, well, hey, we have something in common.
I'm a vegan and all the animals you eat are vegans because all
you're doing is that we don't eat carnivores.
That would be dogs and cats, youknow, lions.
OK, we don't eat carnivores, butwe eat vegans.
And if you look at all the animals that are commonly eaten,
the chicken that even the fish, the, the beef, you know, these,
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these are all carnivores. Even pigs are carnivores.
I mean, they're, I should say vegetarians are vegetarian.
So what basically what they're doing is they're eating the
plants and then turning them into flesh and things like
vitamin B12 and then you eat them.
So they're just a middle man. So if you want to go direct to
the source, you get spirulina and chlorella.
And so because that's all they're doing, they're not
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really, you know, you're not eating these animals and then
taking in the, you know, creating B12 in your body.
So the first question is how do they get B12?
And before I go there, cyanoclobamin, that's the one
you want to avoid. So that's cyanide.
So that's a cyanide molecule, cyanide, deadly poison.
And then your body has to take off that that cyan cyano
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molecule, which is basically turns into cyanide.
And then you take the Cobolin. So if you ever look and you see
Sino Koberman avoid that like the plague, literally, because
that's really bad for you. Now, methyl Coberman you see in
your better products, but methylCoberman is extremely expensive.
I mean, it's my $5000 a kilo cyanocopamine is pretty cheap.
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I mean, you know, it's maybe a couple, maybe 102 hundred.
I've never bought it, but you can see it when you go go to
your suppliers and look ahead. I got cyanocopamine.
But you know, and some of the better companies out there,
they'll use the methyl copamine.But anyway, so you know, I love
to have my blood work tested andyou're talking about, you know,
this Sperling chlorella had not have never really hit the
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market. So there's this documentary I
just watched yesterday. It's called Don't Die, the man
who wants to live forever. And that's Brian Johnson, I
think. Right.
So you look at that, it's very interesting.
It's kind of a, you know, a lot of soap opera stuff going on in
that you're trying to get to thereal heart of what he's doing.
But he doesn't talk about Spraeline and Chlorella.
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Where's the Spraeline and Chlorella?
Come on, Where's my health protocol if you want to live
forever? I mean, I'm 67 years old and I
still run a 6 minute mile. As a matter of fact, I was on my
elliptical over the weekend and I usually do about about and I
get a real professional elliptical.
It's not like just something andI put on there's ten level, I
put on level 8 and I go 20 minutes.
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Well, I usually do about 3.5 miles. 3.6, you know, on
average, you know, 3.7 is a goodday.
So I did 3.98 miles over the weekend.
So that's 4-4 miles and 20 minutes.
So that's 4-5 minute miles back-to-back and you know, it's
just, it was a good day. You're fit and, and I think
again, people don't talk enough about chlorine's freedom because
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these are powerhouses, right? Well.
It's really what I noticed immediately gets so much energy
from. So much more energy.
People say that too. But I mentioned that documentary
because he's testing everything.OK, He's testing, testing.
This guy's like obsessed. I thought I was obsessed with
health. This guy's like, you know,
that's all he does is wake up at4:00 in the morning everyday,
all of stuff. So but he doesn't really get to
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the heart of what is at we need for great health.
And spraylene and chloride have A7 component health protocol.
Water is the best thing you can put into your body.
Alkaline ionized water is the best water.
We'll talk about that another time.
But number 2 is spraylene and chlorella because you need your
protein. But these are the two most
nutritionally dense foods in theworld with the broadest array of
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nutrients of any foods in the world and the only two foods you
could live on exclusively and get all your basic nutrients.
It doesn't have every every single nutrient you could need,
but definitely, you know, it hasall the bases.
So people don't even again, it'sit's still pretty much a no
ignored. There's some people out there
promoting it and I see them out there and I'm always like,
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that's the competition. I really don't even care.
It's just like, just please promote these two.
Great, incredible. They're so great.
And, and going back to what you said, methylcobaline and, and
yeah, cyanocopolin, which is this the, the synthetic version,
right and. The cyanocomplement is
synthetic, so exactly in that one, exactly is what methyl is
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what you produce in your body. Exactly.
You get it naturally. Well, you're going to find it in
Chlorella. There's an there's a debate
whether you find it in spirulina, if it's analog, like
it's not really the real thing, but what you do, I mean, I take
this all the time. So methyl cobamin.
So cobamin is cobalt, OK? So that's where you get to
cobalt, OK, which is a mineral. And I sell liquid angstrom
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cobalt, all my minerals are likeliquid angstrom because they,
you put them into your, your, your mouth, under your tongue,
and they absorb directly into the body.
So it's the most efficient way. And there's all sorts of, you
know, great ways to take minerals, but this is what I
like the best. But you need cobalt, OK, And
then you need a bacteria, so youneed a probiotic.
So if you take cobalt every day and you take a probiotic, which
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I that's number kind of four in my health protocol, which are
probiotics and prebiotics, that's fermented food, you know,
you're going to get all the corebolt bolt your needs.
Now, I, I mentioned that don't die movie because he's into
testing. He tests and tests and tests.
I love testing because those arethe benchmarks.
So, and somebody said, look at my blood, you know, so I, you
know, I get blood work done maybe once a, it's been a few
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years since I've done actually, I had a full work up and I, when
I was in Taiwan about a year agoin March.
And I mean, literally I was in there for like 4 hours with all
the tests and the tests and the tests and they're doing
everything. Your bones and your, your brain
and like lungs and you know, my,my B12 is perfect.
You know, I mean, I shouldn't say that it's off the charts.
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So is my B6B6 and B12 and me, you know, I don't know exactly
why those two, but they're literally they're not high.
They're like extremely high. I mean, I get red flags on them
not for being too low, but for to being too high.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know if you can get too
much B12. And you're saying something
because the it's absorption, right?
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That is the bioavailability of anatural B12 that is just so
different than if you right, have a synthetic even, right?
We talked about sound company. It's a synthetic, right?
So your body doesn't even know what to do with it, right?
And in best case, you, you, you shut it out.
Worst case, it's harmful becauseit's a foreign right.
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It's something going for your body, right?
So you should definitely stay away from it.
If you take something from this podcast, yeah, and you have to
cobble in, right? You need to also write the right
environment. That's why you're still talking
about probiotics, right? Environment to actually absorb
it. So if you just go to nature, we
always say if you just go to nature, it has all the right
component. If you just take Cruella, it has
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all the right components, right for you to absorb all these
nutrients because it's not righttinkered around, it's not
synthetic, it's not lab based, it's not chemical, right?
It's just, it's just a natural form, how it is in nature of a
form like algae, right? Yep, it's something the purest,
oldest form of life, right? So that's why you get all this
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energy as well, because it's it's a perfect combination of
all of these. That's why we always advise
right take take the natural form, not the synthetic
versions. Yeah, absolutely.
Like I said, the cyanocouplement, avoid that at
all cost. And then methyl, you'll see
methyl in a lot of products. But when you're taking like
especially a chlorella, which isnot controversial, yeah, you're
getting methyl cobalamin. And not only that, you want to
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get all the B vitamins. So if you wanted to do just B12
from cobalt and probiotics, you're going to get B12.
But it really B vitamins work synergistically and you're going
to find all those in Chlorella. And like you said, so I always
tell people you want to, you know, people, what do I do?
You go to this guy and don't die.
I mean, I'm not a lot of stuff he's doing.
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I'm, I'm doing the same thing. So there's nothing really.
There are other things. There's a couple things in there
I wouldn't do because like, you know, gene therapy, that kind of
stuff. I don't like that.
But because that's, that's artificial.
But anytime you take anything inyour body that is not natural.
So one thing about me, I'm a, I'm a raw foodist, so and I'd
rarely, if ever eat any kind of cooked foods.
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Now that's really hard to do. I mean, that's, that's where
people stumble the most. And you're right.
And I tell people, I've said it 1000 a million times.
All disease comes from our diet,OK?
They don't come from our genes. You do not.
And you know, that's why you don't find any evidence of
chronic disease in the wild. Nobody's ever shot a deer and
brought it back full and found it full of, you know, cancer,
arthritis, fibromyalgia, diabetes, high blood pressure.
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You'll find infectious disease in the wild, but not chronic
disease. We're the only species on Earth
that gets chronic disease other than the animals we domesticate.
So I like to tell people all thetime, look, there's no Doritos
tree, all right? There's no pizza tree, There's
no spaghetti Bush. I mean, you know, there's,
there's, there's an apple, there's an apple tree, there's
arugula that grows out of the ground.
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You know, there's pineapples, there's everything.
So very difficult. It's easy to eat, cook raw
foods, but it's very difficult to stop eating raw cooked foods.
So that's the way you got to look at it.
What it what? And I tell people all the time,
God made, God made it, God grew an apple, we made a frying pan.
And you can't improve from God'screation.
So you got to follow if you wantto be healthy and be healthy in
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a natural way. And the idea like you'll never
hear anybody else really tell you this, I don't think as I've
never heard of myself. But I'm not going to die of a
disease, period. Now I know I'm going to die and
I don't want to live forever like this guy and don't die, but
God's going to take me when he wants and that's it.
But I'm not going to die of a disease.
So I don't wake up any day or inthe middle of the night and
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think, what are those test results for the cancer?
What about this? Arthritis is all through my
body. All my all my friends are my
age. They can't, they can't run.
They've all got arthritis. I mean, they were in our 60s.
These guys are like, they're allmy carpenters and stuff.
They're falling apart and I don't want to lecture them on
what I do, but they know what I do.
And it's like, you know, I can'trun anymore.
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Well, I still run a 6 minute mile.
And it's just because of what I put into my body.
I keep myself, you know, HAD hydrated, alkalized, detoxified,
but it's really like back to nutrients.
Yeah, you got to go back to the to the and natural nutrients
like if you want the B12, yeah, I mean such an important, you
know, I mean you don't get B12 man, that's blindness,
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dysphoria. You'll be confused.
There's some. We all, we all have
deficiencies, Bob, right? We even the mediators we know
have B12 deficiencies, right? Because artificially put B12 in
in need nowadays, right? Because they.
You're not going to absorb that at.
All the soul the soul is so depleted.
They don't get this from the soul anymore Yeah.
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So it's a good idea to supplement.
You said a couple of things thatwe right so align on living
foods even in supplements right.You are a raw foodist.
We're getting crystal me, we're getting more into raw again and
just because we feel so much better, right?
Last four 5-6 weeks I had more raw and I can tell I like I have
so much more energy. It's hard to eat raw for somehow
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because it's easier to eat cooked because it's sort of more
comforting somehow, although it's really easy to eat raw.
It's just it takes it takes a little bit, right and get used
to it again, but it's living foods and even in your
supplementation. And one of the things with Brian
Johnson is he takes a ton of supplements, right?
And, and a lot of them are not natural and all of them are not
just all food supplements. It's all synthetic stuff, right?
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And it needs to be seen whether what's what's happening with
that. But we always say even
supplements, whether it's B12B6 or go for the natural living
Organism. And that's where where chlorella
and spirina are such a huge advantage to any other
superfoods and and right, because they have so much and
you can So what you said it, youcan survive on these.
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And get all your basic nutrientsand there are no other foods
that you can do that with. And in a way that your body
absorbs them so much better thanjust synthetically
supplementing, right? Yeah, yeah.
And that's so crazy. You know, raw foods are self
digesting, you know, they're really come ready to be absorbed
immediately and I'm begin to digestive enzymes because you
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are you, you are what you eat actually know you are what you
can assimilate. And if you don't have the
digestive enzymes to break down those basic nutrients and and
you know, that's how people become lactose intolerant.
They they, they lack the abilityto take the lactose molecule and
break it down and to two different molecules and absorb
be absorbed by the body because they stopped having lactase.
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You know, they're just not producing it at all in their
body anymore. But you know, you can supplement
all you well, but supplementing is great.
I'm I'm all for it because there's it's really hard to get
all these different nutrients. For instance, I take bacopa, I
take ashwagandha. I did a whole video, I've done
so many videos on this kind of stuff.
But you know, you're able to this idea, you're able to do an
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extract like that and bring it down and actually get these
active ingredients into you in high amounts where you don't
have to. You know, ashwagandha is a root.
So you'd have to chop that up and start eating it all the time
and everything to be able to getthat.
So but yeah, it all comes down to your diet really.
It's got to be, you know, if youreally want to be healthy, it's
it's raw fruits and vegetables. And then again, you've got a
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supplement with spray lean and chlorella because I don't know
anything else avoids soy at all costs.
This is a really bad food. It's not that you shouldn't ever
take it under any conditions andbeginner, there's a fermented
soy called tempeh. It's a little bit better, but
just stay away from soy. It's 35% protein, but you know
it's not good. That's not the path to health
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about the health is definitely its nature and you got to follow
nature and that's all you have to do.
It's not that complicated. No, it's not that complicated.
It's very simple. Health is very, very.
I could explain to you in one minute how to be healthy is how
you're going to do it. You got to stop eating cooked
foods and why do we eat them? I mean, they just, you know,
it's all psychological. The only reason you put anything
in your body to eat, you know, is 100% appeared psychological.
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But you know, you got these, youknow, raw food.
I don't call them cookbooks, buton cookbooks and raw food
recipes. I mean, they're all over the
Internet and I still sell raw food cookbooks from some of the
greatest artists out there. I mean, they're great chefs, raw
foods. I have been to so many potlucks,
raw food potlucks through the many years.
You cannot believe it's usually.Raw, it's unbelievable.
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And you feel so much better. It's a huge difference.
Let me ask you this question. Yeah, detoxing, right?
Cruella and Spirina also have such a detoxing properties.
Explain that why that is and howdo they are they able to flush
out toxins in the system? Well, first of all, it's best to
identify what is a toxin. A toxin is something that
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doesn't belong in the body and there's not performing a
physiological process of any kind.
And so, you know, so there's mild toxins that you you get
into the body, they just kind ofare there and they're not
performing any function. And then there's serious toxins,
heavy metals, herbicides, pesticides, benzene,
trilomethanes. You go fill up your car with
gasoline, you're breathing that right into your lungs.
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And so it's all about getting those toxins out of your body.
And you do that on a raw food diet.
And then spirulina and chlorella.
Now chlorella has this incredible fiber that really no
other plant has that binds with heavy metals, herbicides,
pesticides, and remains bound with them and pulls them out of
the body. And they've done studies for
instance, with mice where they fed, they took the chlorella and
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they fed, put a bunch of cadmiumon, on, on the chlorella.
They fed it to mice and then they dissected the mice and
there was no cadmium in the mice, but they could see it
remained bound with the chlorella.
So that's what it does. It grabs on to all these, all
these nutrients, these this fiber grabs onto all these
toxins, holds it. And so people say, well, what,
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what if you got certain amount of heavy metals and chloral or
spirulina? They're going to they're,
they're, they're going to remainwith the food and they're not
going to displace into the body.And that goes back to the raw
food diet. It's the same thing when you
cook a food all those, you know,first of all, you've taken this
incredibly alkaline rejuvenativefood and you have reduced it to
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sustenance, OK, to calories. And like you there, you know,
the difference between an apple and an apple pie or just a
cooked apple. An apple is what is and a cooked
apple is what was. And there's no these are two
completely different substances.You're going to have some maybe
the little bit of the taste and some of the minerals maybe and
some of the vitamins. But this is not a rejuvenating
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alkaline because you destroyed all the enzymes.
So this can pull things. This can detoxify your body.
All raw foods detoxes the body and chloroline, spirulina are
probably the best. I mean, I have a whole, you
know, chapters and whole chapteron detoxification, but you know,
I have a bunch of stuff on detoxspirulina.
Again, two totally different foods by the way folks. 1 is a
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chlorella. Chlorella is a plant and is a
cyanobacteria. It's a blue bacteria.
So which is we're actually on the planet for about 300 million
years before chlorella even popped up.
So that's the first plant was chlorella and then so but
they're going to detox you in different ways.
So that's why you want to have the have them both.
You know, cilantro's going to detox heavy metals in a
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different way than even chlorella.
But for the ultimate detoxification foods, by far
getting the toxins out are the 2greatest foods in the world, the
most nutritionally dense foods in the world, chlorella and
spirulina. Nothing, nothing comes close.
And again, if you really just want to feel great, take some
spirulina and chlorella. And, and even if even if you
don't eat anything else throughout the Today, and if
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you're a little bit sensitive inyour stomach, sometimes, I'm
going to say maybe you've had, you know, you've had some
digestive issues and you know, you really can hurt that
digestive tract. You really can destroy it with
the way people eat. And like, for instance, I
haven't eaten anything out. I'd like to say it's of a jar
or, or a box or a can. It's been almost 40 years.
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I mean, I might buy something occasionally, you know, once and
once a year, twice a but I just I go to the produce section and
I stop there, you know, that's where I just get all my food
there. So and big and part of the
reason is you don't know where you don't know what's in these
foods. And it's gotten worse and worse.
It used to when I was I grew up in the 60s.
It wasn't what they didn't put all the garbage that you know,
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they have in there now. And by the way, this, you know,
Robert Kennedy, Robert Robert Kennedy junior with his Maha
make America healthy again. I love it.
I mean, but it's about time we realized we are these foods in
these box and jars and cans are just destroying us.
They are there is poisoning us to death.
You know, Whole Foods, by the way, folks, people go to Whole
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Foods and get good stuff. Well, it that's not the case
anymore. That is not the same Whole
Foods. I'm not a Whole Foods guy.
They got one in town on the other side's way.
It's about 20 minutes from here.I don't have anything against
them or anything, but you know, you can find this same kind of
stuff in most stores and this. Yeah, we are big fans.
Obviously, if you can go to farmers markets, know where it's
from right by the produce there,the the more local, the better.
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Organic. 100% organic. Yeah, as much as you can.
That's what I do at the farmers markets.
Farmers markets, I mean, I can'tpromote those enough.
We have a really huge one aroundhere during the summer and we're
in Michigan, so not now. But I mean, all the variety of
all the fruits and vegetables and all this stuff, it just is
what? Wow.
And you know, if you're good, look, if you're going to eat
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meat, meat, OK, go to go to one of these farmers and stop buying
that stuff in the store and stop, stay away from fast foods.
This is poison. And never, you know, this is
you. You don't know where that meat
came from. So go to the local farmers that
grow the meat. There's several around here.
I don't, you know, I don't know them because I'm a vegan.
So, but I mean, they grow, they're growing their own.
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And you can go there and get theeggs and get the chickens and,
you know, just at least you knowwhere this thing came from, what
they're feeding them because thestuff that's going into the
foods these days, you have no clue where this came.
No clue. And it's so funny, we started
out talking about B12, but it's,it's more than just
supplementation, right? It's it's even on the
supplements. We want Whole Foods, but it's
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obviously part of a raw, predominantly raw whole food
plant based diet that it's so healthy.
And then you obviously supplements because right.
We talked about the detoxification stuff because
we're all getting stuff toxins in our body because the world we
live in. Last question I have and then
we'll we'll wrap up quality. We talked about quality in the
beginning even before we ended the show.
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I think the quality differences between China and somewhere
else, right? People are concerned where tell
us you have been doing this for 20 years.
There are huge differences. I think it's really not a
qualities. Yeah, yeah.
That you don't know, no doubt about it.
And, you know, China has gotten a little better at this point.
You know, I've been doing this 30 years and, you know, it's
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just gotten to the point where companies like mine, the the
medium and the smaller side, they won't buy anything from
China. And that is just because they,
they'll lie. They lie about everything.
And, you know, everything's kindof hand to mouth over there that
they just want money. And they, some of them are so
desperate. So you never know, Like I can't
tell you how many times I've talked to people, it's like,
hey, we got really good samples from this spirulina company in,
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in China. And it was good.
And then we started buying it and put it, you know, it was,
you know, it wasn't the same stuff.
And that's what they do. They send you really good
samples and then you know, eventually, you know, you don't
get the same stuff. And it's like what happened here
because they just kind of, you know, and then the metals, the
heavy metals that you're going to find in this stuff in China,
coming out of China. And there's all sorts of
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producers over there. I probably have visited more
spilling and chlorella farms than almost anybody in the
world. And the reason is, is because
I'm a buyer, whereas these guys that grow the algae, you know,
grow the spirulina, the chlorella, they can't really go
visit all these other farms, youknow, because they're, that's
their competition. But I've been to them in China.
I've been, I've been to them andI've been to them in, of course,
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in Taiwan. There's several producers over
there. But you know, I've been buying
from Taiwan Chlorella manufacturing company now for
that's been about 25 years. And I'm going to tell you it's
always the same material, it's same taste, same consistency,
you know, really almost the samemetals, but you can always see
the same color. Everything is the same.
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Whereas again, you go to China, you go to some of these other
countries and. Obviously, organic's important.
Organic's important. Tell us a little bit more on
sometimes, right? Fishy smell, weird smell, kind
of these are all kind of indications of it.
You don't have a really good quality, correct?
Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, they they
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hide things from you. You should always take it out
and get it tested, you know, make sure they've got all their
certifications. It's not as easy for them to do
as it used to. They used to get all these
organic certificates in one cityin China and they would buy them
all and they would all be fake. And then they'd send you these
fake certificates and you'd buy into it.
But not now. A lot of that is can be verified
through the certifying agencies and that kind of stuff.
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But again, it all comes down to another thing I'll mention about
chlorella in particular is I'm not a fan of fermented
chlorella. It's not a bad food, but it's
not really anything like, you know, sunlight grown chlorella.
And I have a whole kind of comparison sheet on that.
So, you know, it's in a tank. They grow in a tank.
Well, chlorophyll, which is my opinion is the most important
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nutrient we we need in the body is made with CO2 and sunlight.
So I have always asked the question, where do you get the
chlorella in yours in your, in your cloak where, I'm sorry,
where do you get the chlorophyllin your chlorella?
If you're fermenting it in a tank and it never sees the light
of day. So there's a chemo, they're
adding a, some kind of a chemical process in there.
And then there's something else we'll won't get into the
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details, but there's something in chlorella called field
abides. And if you don't remove that
from the chlorella, you're goingto get these welts on your skin.
So you need to know how to process this and how to spray
dry it properly. And, and again, this ferment
fermented chlorella, they, the only way they can get rid of it
is to boil it for a couple hours.
Ours never reaches a temperatureabove 105 degrees.
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So the fact that it's coming from really Taiwan, there's
really no other place in the world that grows chlorella
outside and in the conditions wehave them other than in Taiwan
and China. Those are the two Spriolina you
can get from India and it's hit or miss.
I'm going to tell you that's I, I, some of it's contaminated,
some of it I think they may be irradiated.
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There's some good companies overthere, others, Perry, for
instance, in southern southern India.
They're kind of expensive, but at least good quality.
So you really got to know your source.
I tell it all the time. Know the source of your food.
Know know where this chicken's coming from.
Know where your apples are coming from.
Know where this stuff came from.And if you.
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Don't see in your hot dogs? Exactly.
If you don't see it in the packaging, make the effort, ask
the companies. Usually if they're not
transparent about it, it's not agood sign because otherwise they
would put on it if they're if they're if they're proud of it,
where it's coming from. That's great.
We went way over with so much more to talk about.
Doctor Bob, thank you so much. Where can people find more about
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you and. Then my YouTube channel, I just,
it's either Watershed 11 or Doctor Bob McCauley.
I'm a naturopathic Dr. by the way.
And, and those are the two, those are the well, I like
people to see my videos. I'm just really at this point, I
mean, I've been really successful in business and
people say, when are you going to retire?
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You know, they're going to carryme out here in a box.
OK, I'm really, what else would I do with myself?
And I love doing this. And I'm dedicated to to making
people healthier. And I get the sickest people you
can imagine. They come in here with every
disease and that you can imagine.
And they're like looking for answers and they're sick of the
doctors because doctors don't have the answers when it comes
to disease, chronic or infectious.
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They're good in an accident. I like you know, you get you get
in a car accident, you cut yourself into mowing a lawn or
whatever you but when it comes to disease, they're they're
useless. They're really useless.
And so they want to go get a pill.
They want, you know, want to take one little pill.
And I want to be healthy when health is, you know, health.
And first of all, is not an event, it's a lifestyle.
You know, it's, it's, you know, it's not we're just OK, I'm
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healthy. You really got to change your
lifestyle and keep thinking the right way and stop putting
garbage in your body and, you know, put the things in it that
God grew. So that's, that's what I do.
I follow nature. It's not that hard.
It's not easy. Follow nature even in the
supplements and everything, and taken for nature as raw as
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possible. Yeah.
What a great conversation. Thank you Bob.
I will have need to have you back for the all yellow stuff
and water and everything but thank you for coming on.
OK, I appreciate it. God bless everyone and stay
healthy and go to Doctor Bob mccauley.com.
You'll see that one that was outthere too.
Hi, I'm Crystal. And I'm Michael, and we're the
founders of Super Plans. If you're ready to improve your
health and live a life you love,hit subscribe and let's get
started. Welcome to Super Health Podcast.
Welcome to another episode wherewe dive deep into the world of
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nutrition and based living in Wellness.
Today we're joined by true health pioneer, natural health
pioneer for over 30 years, Doctor Bob Mccowell.
Bob is a neuropathic Dr. with over 30 years experience and the
owner of Watershed Wellness. You maybe know him from the
products Doctor Bob's products, actually his own products and
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he's the largest importer of spirulina and Cruella in the US.
He authored 11 books on health, detoxification, water longevity,
making him one of the most experts, especially on the
Cruella and algae based nutrition.
If you ever wanted about B12 andplant based nutrition or how to
optimize your health naturally, this is the conversation I have
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with Bob. Now Bob is here to break down
the truth about synthetic versusnatural B12 and Cruella and
screwlina and super foods in general.
So Bob, I'm super excited to have you.
Thank you for coming on the show.
Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
I was just kind of setting up mybook here.
It's not correct. It's not cooperating very well,
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but I wrote that. We saw a little bit.
And. We're going to link it up
anyways. OK, You, you wrote a fantastic
book about Spiro and Cruella, the kings of superfoods, you
call them, and that's a great bridge for anybody who doesn't
know you. Tell us a little bit your
background and how did you get into Cruella Spirulina in in the
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first place? Well, OK, so I started out in
the bottled water business aboutit's going on almost 32 years
and my father was an expert in water.
He'd been the as educated at MIT, He taught at Michigan State
University. He went on to form his own
engineering company. So he knew groundwater and
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that's how I got into sort of business.
And then, so it's a long story, but you know, I was in the
supermarkets and I, it didn't take long for me to figure out,
OK, these people are going to control my business.
So I got to take this and do something my own.
So I opened up the, you know, the first water, bottled water
store in Lansing, MI and what really one of the first in the
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country. There weren't too many out
there, especially this back in the night.
So now I, I had already been a vegetarian since 1980s.
So now we're talking, you know, 1718 years before I heard about
spirulina. I've never heard of it.
And it was actually pretty well known at the time among certain
people, health minded people, I'd never heard of it.
And I started taking spirulina and I'm an athlete and I'm a
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runner. And all of a sudden I could
immediately tell this was like an amazing thing.
And my, my times my got better when I was running and my
recovery times were shorter and I just felt great.
So then I started going out and at the dead back in the day
again, we're talking the 90s. I went out to the health food
store and I found a little book on spirulina.
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And then I looked around and I saw here's here's another book
on chlorella. So what is chlorella?
So I got that. I read that through as one of
these little short 50 page books, like a pamphlet.
And so I started reading. I'm like, these are 60% protein
number one. I can't believe I never heard
about them. I was, well, I was, I was not
eating meat, but I wasn't a vegan yet.
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So meat, fish that I would eat fish and I would eat eggs and
dairy. And then once I found spreelin
and chlorella, I said, OK, why am I eating any of this?
This is 60% protein. Spreelin and chlorella, they're
both about around 60% protein, where if you look at animal
protein, like meat in general isaround 1515 to maybe 18%, maybe
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20 on the very high side. If you go out and you shoot a
deer, you can get a little higher.
But anyway, it's not anywhere near the amount of protein
you're going to find in sprayline and chlorella.
And so right away I just, I knewthese things were amazing.
So that's how I started. And then I said, OK, so I had a
store called the Watershed and then eventually became Watershed
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Wellness Center, which is that'swhat it is.
Now, you know, I started, you know, selling, I said, I got to
get a source for this and start bottling it myself itself, which
I did. And I was buying from Hawaii
Cyanotech at the time. And they're about for Spirulina
and they're about the only ones out there.
There really wasn't anybody elseselling spirulina, certainly not
domestically. And so he started selling that
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and then and bottling it and putting into my brand, which is
not Doctor Bob's. Back then it was just called
Watershed. And then, you know, so then I
looked around, I got on the Internet again.
We're talking not. So it was kind of a miracle how
I found Taiwan Chlorella because, you know, it wasn't
like it. You really didn't have a lot to
go on back then. I mean, you know, Google wasn't
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even Google, you know, it was big.
You could search for stuff. And I came across Taiwan Cruella
and I emailed this guy, and nextthing you know, he sends me
these tablets and they're all, you know, comes in a little
envelope, you know, and I must have been 2030 grams.
They're all broken apart. You know, they've been through
the mail. Yeah, I'm going, wow, this is
great. So then I got 10 kilos, which is
22 lbs. So my secretary says what?
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You know, it's like, what did you do?
There's are you ever going to sell this?
You're never going to eat that. I said I'm going to sell this.
No ones ever going to buy that. Well, that was 10 kilos.
I import around between 80 to 100 tons per year, metric tons
of Spraylene and Chlorella combined.
So I am the biggest X importer in the US of Cruella and Sprelli
and not from China. There's probably some other guys
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out there, especially these big corporations that keep gobbling
up all those small companies. They might be doing more.
I don't, I don't know. I could look at Export import,
right? Right.
And we're, we're going to dive into the quality of, of criteria
and Corolla because so importantin scrutiny.
And too, I wanted to say that right, you did it in the 90s and
you heard it from health people.Now it's 2025 and still not
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enough people talk about no, right?
You talk about 60% protein. I mean, we talk about protein
all the time. Everybody talks about protein.
Get more proteins here. There are these algae and
spirulina and corella as well, right?
Having so much protein, what I wanted to talk about, we can
talk about so many things with you because the water thing and
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the water topic is this on podcast.
Yeah, we might have you back about water and educating about
water because you're an expert there.
But I wanted to focus today on the B12 because right, one of
the things a lot of plant based people, but we know actually
everybody should supplement on B12.
Tell us a little bit about Cruella and and spirulina and
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B12 and and the debate there. Can you actually get it?
Because usually right in supplements it's just a
synthetic. Every supplement I know it's a
synthetic version of B12. Right.
So I've done a lot of studying on B12.
First of all, it's pretty well regarded that you can get B12
from chlorella and that it's in the right form so your body can
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absorb it. But spirulina, there is a lot of
people, it's controversial to say, hey, that's analog.
In other words, it looks like B12, but you're really not
getting the actual molecule of B12.
And you know, really for, for, well, there's basically 3 forms
of B12. There's cyanocobamin, OK, then
there's methylcobamin. That's what our body wants.
And then I get the other one is hexa hexa 1000 cobamin.
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And it's, it's not any more effective than methylcobamin and
it's a lot more expensive. So you can get that, but you
don't really need to. Now, I always make the point,
you know, where to where do people get the, where does the
average person get their B12? Where they get it from me or
they get it from dairy, meat, fish, eggs or dairy.
But I always make the point withpeople like, and then they come
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in and say, I look, I'm a meat meat eater.
And I said, well, hey, we have something in common.
I'm a vegan and all the animals you eat are vegans because all
you're doing is that we don't eat carnivores.
That would be dogs and cats, youknow, lions.
OK, we don't eat carnivores, butwe eat vegans.
And if you look at all the animals that are commonly eaten,
the chicken that even the fish, the, the beef, you know, these,
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these are all carnivores. Even pigs are carnivores.
I mean, they're, I should say vegetarians are vegetarian.
So what basically what they're doing is they're eating the
plants and then turning them into flesh and things like
vitamin B12 and then you eat them.
So they're just a middle man. So if you want to go direct to
the source, you get spirulina and chlorella.
And so because that's all they're doing, they're not
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really, you know, you're not eating these animals and then
taking in the, you know, creating B12 in your body.
So the first question is how do they get B12?
And before I go there, cyanoclobamin, that's the one
you want to avoid. So that's cyanide.
So that's a cyanide molecule, cyanide, deadly poison.
And then your body has to take off that that cyan cyano
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molecule, which is basically turns into cyanide.
And then you take the Cobolin. So if you ever look and you see
Sino Koberman avoid that like the plague, literally, because
that's really bad for you. Now, methyl Coberman you see in
your better products, but methylCoberman is extremely expensive.
I mean, it's my $5000 a kilo cyanocopamine is pretty cheap.
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I mean, you know, it's maybe a couple, maybe 102 hundred.
I've never bought it, but you can see it when you go go to
your suppliers and look ahead. I got cyanocopamine.
But you know, and some of the better companies out there,
they'll use the methyl copamine.But anyway, so you know, I love
to have my blood work tested andyou're talking about, you know,
this Sperling chlorella had not have never really hit the
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market. So there's this documentary I
just watched yesterday. It's called Don't Die, the man
who wants to live forever. And that's Brian Johnson, I
think. Right.
So you look at that, it's very interesting.
It's kind of a, you know, a lot of soap opera stuff going on in
that you're trying to get to thereal heart of what he's doing.
But he doesn't talk about Spraeline and Chlorella.
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Where's the Spraeline and Chlorella?
Come on, Where's my health protocol if you want to live
forever? I mean, I'm 67 years old and I
still run a 6 minute mile. As a matter of fact, I was on my
elliptical over the weekend and I usually do about about and I
get a real professional elliptical.
It's not like just something andI put on there's ten level, I
put on level 8 and I go 20 minutes.
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Well, I usually do about 3.5 miles. 3.6, you know, on
average, you know, 3.7 is a goodday.
So I did 3.98 miles over the weekend.
So that's 4-4 miles and 20 minutes.
So that's 4-5 minute miles back-to-back and you know, it's
just, it was a good day. You're fit and, and I think
again, people don't talk enough about chlorine's freedom because
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these are powerhouses, right? Well.
It's really what I noticed immediately gets so much energy
from. So much more energy.
People say that too. But I mentioned that documentary
because he's testing everything.OK, He's testing, testing.
This guy's like obsessed. I thought I was obsessed with
health. This guy's like, you know,
that's all he does is wake up at4:00 in the morning everyday,
all of stuff. So but he doesn't really get to
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the heart of what is at we need for great health.
And spraylene and chloride have A7 component health protocol.
Water is the best thing you can put into your body.
Alkaline ionized water is the best water.
We'll talk about that another time.
But number 2 is spraylene and chlorella because you need your
protein. But these are the two most
nutritionally dense foods in theworld with the broadest array of
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nutrients of any foods in the world and the only two foods you
could live on exclusively and get all your basic nutrients.
It doesn't have every every single nutrient you could need,
but definitely, you know, it hasall the bases.
So people don't even again, it'sit's still pretty much a no
ignored. There's some people out there
promoting it and I see them out there and I'm always like,
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that's the competition. I really don't even care.
It's just like, just please promote these two.
Great, incredible. They're so great.
And, and going back to what you said, methylcobaline and, and
yeah, cyanocopolin, which is this the, the synthetic version,
right and. The cyanocomplement is
synthetic, so exactly in that one, exactly is what methyl is
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what you produce in your body. Exactly.
You get it naturally. Well, you're going to find it in
Chlorella. There's an there's a debate
whether you find it in spirulina, if it's analog, like
it's not really the real thing, but what you do, I mean, I take
this all the time. So methyl cobamin.
So cobamin is cobalt, OK? So that's where you get to
cobalt, OK, which is a mineral. And I sell liquid angstrom
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cobalt, all my minerals are likeliquid angstrom because they,
you put them into your, your, your mouth, under your tongue,
and they absorb directly into the body.
So it's the most efficient way. And there's all sorts of, you
know, great ways to take minerals, but this is what I
like the best. But you need cobalt, OK, And
then you need a bacteria, so youneed a probiotic.
So if you take cobalt every day and you take a probiotic, which
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I that's number kind of four in my health protocol, which are
probiotics and prebiotics, that's fermented food, you know,
you're going to get all the corebolt bolt your needs.
Now, I, I mentioned that don't die movie because he's into
testing. He tests and tests and tests.
I love testing because those arethe benchmarks.
So, and somebody said, look at my blood, you know, so I, you
know, I get blood work done maybe once a, it's been a few
(13:30):
years since I've done actually, I had a full work up and I, when
I was in Taiwan about a year agoin March.
And I mean, literally I was in there for like 4 hours with all
the tests and the tests and the tests and they're doing
everything. Your bones and your, your brain
and like lungs and you know, my,my B12 is perfect.
You know, I mean, I shouldn't say that it's off the charts.
(13:50):
So is my B6B6 and B12 and me, you know, I don't know exactly
why those two, but they're literally they're not high.
They're like extremely high. I mean, I get red flags on them
not for being too low, but for to being too high.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know if you can get too
much B12. And you're saying something
because the it's absorption, right?
(14:10):
That is the bioavailability of anatural B12 that is just so
different than if you right, have a synthetic even, right?
We talked about sound company. It's a synthetic, right?
So your body doesn't even know what to do with it, right?
And in best case, you, you, you shut it out.
Worst case, it's harmful becauseit's a foreign right.
(14:30):
It's something going for your body, right?
So you should definitely stay away from it.
If you take something from this podcast, yeah, and you have to
cobble in, right? You need to also write the right
environment. That's why you're still talking
about probiotics, right? Environment to actually absorb
it. So if you just go to nature, we
always say if you just go to nature, it has all the right
component. If you just take Cruella, it has
(14:51):
all the right components, right for you to absorb all these
nutrients because it's not righttinkered around, it's not
synthetic, it's not lab based, it's not chemical, right?
It's just, it's just a natural form, how it is in nature of a
form like algae, right? Yep, it's something the purest,
oldest form of life, right? So that's why you get all this
(15:13):
energy as well, because it's it's a perfect combination of
all of these. That's why we always advise
right take take the natural form, not the synthetic
versions. Yeah, absolutely.
Like I said, the cyanocouplement, avoid that at
all cost. And then methyl, you'll see
methyl in a lot of products. But when you're taking like
especially a chlorella, which isnot controversial, yeah, you're
getting methyl cobalamin. And not only that, you want to
(15:35):
get all the B vitamins. So if you wanted to do just B12
from cobalt and probiotics, you're going to get B12.
But it really B vitamins work synergistically and you're going
to find all those in Chlorella. And like you said, so I always
tell people you want to, you know, people, what do I do?
You go to this guy and don't die.
I mean, I'm not a lot of stuff he's doing.
(15:57):
I'm, I'm doing the same thing. So there's nothing really.
There are other things. There's a couple things in there
I wouldn't do because like, you know, gene therapy, that kind of
stuff. I don't like that.
But because that's, that's artificial.
But anytime you take anything inyour body that is not natural.
So one thing about me, I'm a, I'm a raw foodist, so and I'd
rarely, if ever eat any kind of cooked foods.
(16:18):
Now that's really hard to do. I mean, that's, that's where
people stumble the most. And you're right.
And I tell people, I've said it 1000 a million times.
All disease comes from our diet,OK?
They don't come from our genes. You do not.
And you know, that's why you don't find any evidence of
chronic disease in the wild. Nobody's ever shot a deer and
brought it back full and found it full of, you know, cancer,
arthritis, fibromyalgia, diabetes, high blood pressure.
(16:42):
You'll find infectious disease in the wild, but not chronic
disease. We're the only species on Earth
that gets chronic disease other than the animals we domesticate.
So I like to tell people all thetime, look, there's no Doritos
tree, all right? There's no pizza tree, There's
no spaghetti Bush. I mean, you know, there's,
there's, there's an apple, there's an apple tree, there's
arugula that grows out of the ground.
(17:03):
You know, there's pineapples, there's everything.
So very difficult. It's easy to eat, cook raw
foods, but it's very difficult to stop eating raw cooked foods.
So that's the way you got to look at it.
What it what? And I tell people all the time,
God made, God made it, God grew an apple, we made a frying pan.
And you can't improve from God'screation.
So you got to follow if you wantto be healthy and be healthy in
(17:25):
a natural way. And the idea like you'll never
hear anybody else really tell you this, I don't think as I've
never heard of myself. But I'm not going to die of a
disease, period. Now I know I'm going to die and
I don't want to live forever like this guy and don't die, but
God's going to take me when he wants and that's it.
But I'm not going to die of a disease.
So I don't wake up any day or inthe middle of the night and
(17:45):
think, what are those test results for the cancer?
What about this? Arthritis is all through my
body. All my all my friends are my
age. They can't, they can't run.
They've all got arthritis. I mean, they were in our 60s.
These guys are like, they're allmy carpenters and stuff.
They're falling apart and I don't want to lecture them on
what I do, but they know what I do.
And it's like, you know, I can'trun anymore.
(18:06):
Well, I still run a 6 minute mile.
And it's just because of what I put into my body.
I keep myself, you know, HAD hydrated, alkalized, detoxified,
but it's really like back to nutrients.
Yeah, you got to go back to the to the and natural nutrients
like if you want the B12, yeah, I mean such an important, you
know, I mean you don't get B12 man, that's blindness,
(18:29):
dysphoria. You'll be confused.
There's some. We all, we all have
deficiencies, Bob, right? We even the mediators we know
have B12 deficiencies, right? Because artificially put B12 in
in need nowadays, right? Because they.
You're not going to absorb that at.
All the soul the soul is so depleted.
They don't get this from the soul anymore Yeah.
(18:50):
So it's a good idea to supplement.
You said a couple of things thatwe right so align on living
foods even in supplements right.You are a raw foodist.
We're getting crystal me, we're getting more into raw again and
just because we feel so much better, right?
Last four 5-6 weeks I had more raw and I can tell I like I have
so much more energy. It's hard to eat raw for somehow
(19:12):
because it's easier to eat cooked because it's sort of more
comforting somehow, although it's really easy to eat raw.
It's just it takes it takes a little bit, right and get used
to it again, but it's living foods and even in your
supplementation. And one of the things with Brian
Johnson is he takes a ton of supplements, right?
And, and a lot of them are not natural and all of them are not
just all food supplements. It's all synthetic stuff, right?
(19:34):
And it needs to be seen whether what's what's happening with
that. But we always say even
supplements, whether it's B12B6 or go for the natural living
Organism. And that's where where chlorella
and spirina are such a huge advantage to any other
superfoods and and right, because they have so much and
you can So what you said it, youcan survive on these.
(19:56):
And get all your basic nutrientsand there are no other foods
that you can do that with. And in a way that your body
absorbs them so much better thanjust synthetically
supplementing, right? Yeah, yeah.
And that's so crazy. You know, raw foods are self
digesting, you know, they're really come ready to be absorbed
immediately and I'm begin to digestive enzymes because you
(20:16):
are you, you are what you eat actually know you are what you
can assimilate. And if you don't have the
digestive enzymes to break down those basic nutrients and and
you know, that's how people become lactose intolerant.
They they, they lack the abilityto take the lactose molecule and
break it down and to two different molecules and absorb
be absorbed by the body because they stopped having lactase.
(20:38):
You know, they're just not producing it at all in their
body anymore. But you know, you can supplement
all you well, but supplementing is great.
I'm I'm all for it because there's it's really hard to get
all these different nutrients. For instance, I take bacopa, I
take ashwagandha. I did a whole video, I've done
so many videos on this kind of stuff.
But you know, you're able to this idea, you're able to do an
(20:59):
extract like that and bring it down and actually get these
active ingredients into you in high amounts where you don't
have to. You know, ashwagandha is a root.
So you'd have to chop that up and start eating it all the time
and everything to be able to getthat.
So but yeah, it all comes down to your diet really.
It's got to be, you know, if youreally want to be healthy, it's
it's raw fruits and vegetables. And then again, you've got a
(21:20):
supplement with spray lean and chlorella because I don't know
anything else avoids soy at all costs.
This is a really bad food. It's not that you shouldn't ever
take it under any conditions andbeginner, there's a fermented
soy called tempeh. It's a little bit better, but
just stay away from soy. It's 35% protein, but you know
it's not good. That's not the path to health
(21:41):
about the health is definitely its nature and you got to follow
nature and that's all you have to do.
It's not that complicated. No, it's not that complicated.
It's very simple. Health is very, very.
I could explain to you in one minute how to be healthy is how
you're going to do it. You got to stop eating cooked
foods and why do we eat them? I mean, they just, you know,
it's all psychological. The only reason you put anything
in your body to eat, you know, is 100% appeared psychological.
(22:06):
But you know, you got these, youknow, raw food.
I don't call them cookbooks, buton cookbooks and raw food
recipes. I mean, they're all over the
Internet and I still sell raw food cookbooks from some of the
greatest artists out there. I mean, they're great chefs, raw
foods. I have been to so many potlucks,
raw food potlucks through the many years.
You cannot believe it's usually.Raw, it's unbelievable.
(22:28):
And you feel so much better. It's a huge difference.
Let me ask you this question. Yeah, detoxing, right?
Cruella and Spirina also have such a detoxing properties.
Explain that why that is and howdo they are they able to flush
out toxins in the system? Well, first of all, it's best to
identify what is a toxin. A toxin is something that
(22:50):
doesn't belong in the body and there's not performing a
physiological process of any kind.
And so, you know, so there's mild toxins that you you get
into the body, they just kind ofare there and they're not
performing any function. And then there's serious toxins,
heavy metals, herbicides, pesticides, benzene,
trilomethanes. You go fill up your car with
gasoline, you're breathing that right into your lungs.
(23:11):
And so it's all about getting those toxins out of your body.
And you do that on a raw food diet.
And then spirulina and chlorella.
Now chlorella has this incredible fiber that really no
other plant has that binds with heavy metals, herbicides,
pesticides, and remains bound with them and pulls them out of
the body. And they've done studies for
instance, with mice where they fed, they took the chlorella and
(23:34):
they fed, put a bunch of cadmiumon, on, on the chlorella.
They fed it to mice and then they dissected the mice and
there was no cadmium in the mice, but they could see it
remained bound with the chlorella.
So that's what it does. It grabs on to all these, all
these nutrients, these this fiber grabs onto all these
toxins, holds it. And so people say, well, what,
(23:55):
what if you got certain amount of heavy metals and chloral or
spirulina? They're going to they're,
they're, they're going to remainwith the food and they're not
going to displace into the body.And that goes back to the raw
food diet. It's the same thing when you
cook a food all those, you know,first of all, you've taken this
incredibly alkaline rejuvenativefood and you have reduced it to
(24:16):
sustenance, OK, to calories. And like you there, you know,
the difference between an apple and an apple pie or just a
cooked apple. An apple is what is and a cooked
apple is what was. And there's no these are two
completely different substances.You're going to have some maybe
the little bit of the taste and some of the minerals maybe and
some of the vitamins. But this is not a rejuvenating
(24:38):
alkaline because you destroyed all the enzymes.
So this can pull things. This can detoxify your body.
All raw foods detoxes the body and chloroline, spirulina are
probably the best. I mean, I have a whole, you
know, chapters and whole chapteron detoxification, but you know,
I have a bunch of stuff on detoxspirulina.
Again, two totally different foods by the way folks. 1 is a
(25:00):
chlorella. Chlorella is a plant and is a
cyanobacteria. It's a blue bacteria.
So which is we're actually on the planet for about 300 million
years before chlorella even popped up.
So that's the first plant was chlorella and then so but
they're going to detox you in different ways.
So that's why you want to have the have them both.
You know, cilantro's going to detox heavy metals in a
(25:22):
different way than even chlorella.
But for the ultimate detoxification foods, by far
getting the toxins out are the 2greatest foods in the world, the
most nutritionally dense foods in the world, chlorella and
spirulina. Nothing, nothing comes close.
And again, if you really just want to feel great, take some
spirulina and chlorella. And, and even if even if you
don't eat anything else throughout the Today, and if
(25:44):
you're a little bit sensitive inyour stomach, sometimes, I'm
going to say maybe you've had, you know, you've had some
digestive issues and you know, you really can hurt that
digestive tract. You really can destroy it with
the way people eat. And like, for instance, I
haven't eaten anything out. I'd like to say it's of a jar
or, or a box or a can. It's been almost 40 years.
(26:06):
I mean, I might buy something occasionally, you know, once and
once a year, twice a but I just I go to the produce section and
I stop there, you know, that's where I just get all my food
there. So and big and part of the
reason is you don't know where you don't know what's in these
foods. And it's gotten worse and worse.
It used to when I was I grew up in the 60s.
It wasn't what they didn't put all the garbage that you know,
(26:27):
they have in there now. And by the way, this, you know,
Robert Kennedy, Robert Robert Kennedy junior with his Maha
make America healthy again. I love it.
I mean, but it's about time we realized we are these foods in
these box and jars and cans are just destroying us.
They are there is poisoning us to death.
You know, Whole Foods, by the way, folks, people go to Whole
(26:49):
Foods and get good stuff. Well, it that's not the case
anymore. That is not the same Whole
Foods. I'm not a Whole Foods guy.
They got one in town on the other side's way.
It's about 20 minutes from here.I don't have anything against
them or anything, but you know, you can find this same kind of
stuff in most stores and this. Yeah, we are big fans.
Obviously, if you can go to farmers markets, know where it's
from right by the produce there,the the more local, the better.
(27:12):
Organic. 100% organic. Yeah, as much as you can.
That's what I do at the farmers markets.
Farmers markets, I mean, I can'tpromote those enough.
We have a really huge one aroundhere during the summer and we're
in Michigan, so not now. But I mean, all the variety of
all the fruits and vegetables and all this stuff, it just is
what? Wow.
And you know, if you're good, look, if you're going to eat
(27:33):
meat, meat, OK, go to go to one of these farmers and stop buying
that stuff in the store and stop, stay away from fast foods.
This is poison. And never, you know, this is
you. You don't know where that meat
came from. So go to the local farmers that
grow the meat. There's several around here.
I don't, you know, I don't know them because I'm a vegan.
So, but I mean, they grow, they're growing their own.
(27:55):
And you can go there and get theeggs and get the chickens and,
you know, just at least you knowwhere this thing came from, what
they're feeding them because thestuff that's going into the
foods these days, you have no clue where this came.
No clue. And it's so funny, we started
out talking about B12, but it's,it's more than just
supplementation, right? It's it's even on the
supplements. We want Whole Foods, but it's
(28:16):
obviously part of a raw, predominantly raw whole food
plant based diet that it's so healthy.
And then you obviously supplements because right.
We talked about the detoxification stuff because
we're all getting stuff toxins in our body because the world we
live in. Last question I have and then
we'll we'll wrap up quality. We talked about quality in the
beginning even before we ended the show.
(28:37):
I think the quality differences between China and somewhere
else, right? People are concerned where tell
us you have been doing this for 20 years.
There are huge differences. I think it's really not a
qualities. Yeah, yeah.
That you don't know, no doubt about it.
And, you know, China has gotten a little better at this point.
You know, I've been doing this 30 years and, you know, it's
(28:59):
just gotten to the point where companies like mine, the the
medium and the smaller side, they won't buy anything from
China. And that is just because they,
they'll lie. They lie about everything.
And, you know, everything's kindof hand to mouth over there that
they just want money. And they, some of them are so
desperate. So you never know, Like I can't
tell you how many times I've talked to people, it's like,
hey, we got really good samples from this spirulina company in,
(29:21):
in China. And it was good.
And then we started buying it and put it, you know, it was,
you know, it wasn't the same stuff.
And that's what they do. They send you really good
samples and then you know, eventually, you know, you don't
get the same stuff. And it's like what happened here
because they just kind of, you know, and then the metals, the
heavy metals that you're going to find in this stuff in China,
coming out of China. And there's all sorts of
(29:42):
producers over there. I probably have visited more
spilling and chlorella farms than almost anybody in the
world. And the reason is, is because
I'm a buyer, whereas these guys that grow the algae, you know,
grow the spirulina, the chlorella, they can't really go
visit all these other farms, youknow, because they're, that's
their competition. But I've been to them in China.
I've been, I've been to them andI've been to them in, of course,
(30:04):
in Taiwan. There's several producers over
there. But you know, I've been buying
from Taiwan Chlorella manufacturing company now for
that's been about 25 years. And I'm going to tell you it's
always the same material, it's same taste, same consistency,
you know, really almost the samemetals, but you can always see
the same color. Everything is the same.
(30:25):
Whereas again, you go to China, you go to some of these other
countries and. Obviously, organic's important.
Organic's important. Tell us a little bit more on
sometimes, right? Fishy smell, weird smell, kind
of these are all kind of indications of it.
You don't have a really good quality, correct?
Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, they they
(30:45):
hide things from you. You should always take it out
and get it tested, you know, make sure they've got all their
certifications. It's not as easy for them to do
as it used to. They used to get all these
organic certificates in one cityin China and they would buy them
all and they would all be fake. And then they'd send you these
fake certificates and you'd buy into it.
But not now. A lot of that is can be verified
through the certifying agencies and that kind of stuff.
(31:07):
But again, it all comes down to another thing I'll mention about
chlorella in particular is I'm not a fan of fermented
chlorella. It's not a bad food, but it's
not really anything like, you know, sunlight grown chlorella.
And I have a whole kind of comparison sheet on that.
So, you know, it's in a tank. They grow in a tank.
Well, chlorophyll, which is my opinion is the most important
(31:29):
nutrient we we need in the body is made with CO2 and sunlight.
So I have always asked the question, where do you get the
chlorella in yours in your, in your cloak where, I'm sorry,
where do you get the chlorophyllin your chlorella?
If you're fermenting it in a tank and it never sees the light
of day. So there's a chemo, they're
adding a, some kind of a chemical process in there.
And then there's something else we'll won't get into the
(31:51):
details, but there's something in chlorella called field
abides. And if you don't remove that
from the chlorella, you're goingto get these welts on your skin.
So you need to know how to process this and how to spray
dry it properly. And, and again, this ferment
fermented chlorella, they, the only way they can get rid of it
is to boil it for a couple hours.
Ours never reaches a temperatureabove 105 degrees.
(32:14):
So the fact that it's coming from really Taiwan, there's
really no other place in the world that grows chlorella
outside and in the conditions wehave them other than in Taiwan
and China. Those are the two Spriolina you
can get from India and it's hit or miss.
I'm going to tell you that's I, I, some of it's contaminated,
some of it I think they may be irradiated.
(32:36):
There's some good companies overthere, others, Perry, for
instance, in southern southern India.
They're kind of expensive, but at least good quality.
So you really got to know your source.
I tell it all the time. Know the source of your food.
Know know where this chicken's coming from.
Know where your apples are coming from.
Know where this stuff came from.And if you.
(32:56):
Don't see in your hot dogs? Exactly.
If you don't see it in the packaging, make the effort, ask
the companies. Usually if they're not
transparent about it, it's not agood sign because otherwise they
would put on it if they're if they're if they're proud of it,
where it's coming from. That's great.
We went way over with so much more to talk about.
Doctor Bob, thank you so much. Where can people find more about
(33:19):
you and. Then my YouTube channel, I just,
it's either Watershed 11 or Doctor Bob McCauley.
I'm a naturopathic Dr. by the way.
And, and those are the two, those are the well, I like
people to see my videos. I'm just really at this point, I
mean, I've been really successful in business and
people say, when are you going to retire?
(33:40):
You know, they're going to carryme out here in a box.
OK, I'm really, what else would I do with myself?
And I love doing this. And I'm dedicated to to making
people healthier. And I get the sickest people you
can imagine. They come in here with every
disease and that you can imagine.
And they're like looking for answers and they're sick of the
doctors because doctors don't have the answers when it comes
to disease, chronic or infectious.
(34:01):
They're good in an accident. I like you know, you get you get
in a car accident, you cut yourself into mowing a lawn or
whatever you but when it comes to disease, they're they're
useless. They're really useless.
And so they want to go get a pill.
They want, you know, want to take one little pill.
And I want to be healthy when health is, you know, health.
And first of all, is not an event, it's a lifestyle.
You know, it's, it's, you know, it's not we're just OK, I'm
(34:23):
healthy. You really got to change your
lifestyle and keep thinking the right way and stop putting
garbage in your body and, you know, put the things in it that
God grew. So that's, that's what I do.
I follow nature. It's not that hard.
It's not easy. Follow nature even in the
supplements and everything, and taken for nature as raw as
(34:43):
possible. Yeah.
What a great conversation. Thank you Bob.
I will have need to have you back for the all yellow stuff
and water and everything but thank you for coming on.
OK, I appreciate it. God bless everyone and stay
healthy and go to Doctor Bob mccauley.com.
You'll see that one that was outthere too.
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