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July 19, 2025 • 26 mins

In this episode of the Super Health Podcast, Elisa Angelone, a board-certified herbalist and licensed acupuncturist, shares her journey into holistic healing and the powerful modalities of acupuncture and muscle testing. She explains how acupuncture works as a holistic treatment, emphasizing the interconnectedness of the body and the importance of addressing root causes rather than just symptoms. Elisa also discusses the benefits of muscle testing as a diagnostic tool, shares real-life success stories of patients, and highlights the differences between whole food and synthetic supplements. The conversation concludes with insights into the distinctions between Japanese and Chinese acupuncture and an introduction to The DenMother, a wellness retreat in LA.

Find Elisa Angelone at www.denmother.com.

Takeaways

  • Elisa's background combines art, nature, and spirituality.
  • Acupuncture views the body as a complete system.
  • Muscle testing provides biofeedback from the body.
  • Symptoms are signals that the body needs attention.
  • Holistic healing focuses on root causes, not just symptoms.
  • Whole foods are more beneficial than synthetic supplements.
  • Japanese acupuncture emphasizes palpation and gentleness.
  • The DenMother promotes wellness and community.
  • Stress reduction is key to maintaining health.
  • Listening to the body can prevent major health issues.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Holistic Healing

02:33 Understanding Acupuncture and Its Benefits

06:47 The Power of Muscle Testing

13:19 Real-Life Healing Stories

17:53 Whole Food vs. Synthetic Supplements

20:36 Differences Between Chinese and Japanese Acupuncture

22:57 The Denmother: A Wellness Retreat


Keywords

holistic healing, acupuncture, muscle testing, herbal medicine, Japanese acupuncture, functional medicine, wellness, health, natural remedies, stress reduction

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(00:05):
Hi, I'm Crystal. And I'm Michael, and we're the
founders of Super Plans. If you're ready to improve your
health and live a life you love,hit subscribe and let's get
started. Welcome to Super Health.
Welcome to this podcast. Today we have a special guest,

(00:25):
Elisa Angeloni. She is a board certified
herbalist, licensed acupuncturist, functional
medicine practitioner and a Co founder of the Denmader in LA.
Today we're diving deep into theworld of Japanese acupuncture,
muscle testing, what they are, how they work and why they can
be powerful tools for healing. Let's dive right in.

(00:47):
Welcome Elisa. Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for having me. I'm excited.
I would love to get started to just learn a little bit more
about your journey and what led you to acupuncture and holistic
healing. I was very fortunate because my
mother's Chinese and my father'sItalian, so growing up in
Toronto, it was always kind of like a decision we'd make as a

(01:10):
family when one of us wasn't feeling well, what doctor we'd
go see and what kind of medicinewe would seek out.
So it was just always part of mymakeup and like knowing of how
to navigate the world. So when it came to wanting to
find out what I want to do with my life, I just, I was so
intrigued with nature and medicine, but also like
spirituality and creativity. And so it just seemed like the

(01:30):
perfect mix of all those things that I love.
And then did you, you studied acupuncture and then I tell us a
little bit about like your background.
So first I actually studied the Fine Arts and I really loved
creating installation works and like works out nature that would
people could like submerge themselves in and feel more
connected to like the magic of nature.

(01:51):
And so when I kind of started toput together that so much of
East Asian medicine and acupuncture is exactly that,
right? Getting people to better connect
with their environment and better connect with themselves.
Yeah. So from there I went on to do my
masters in Chinese medicine. So that's my major background,
but I really wanted a teacher. Like I, I wasn't just, I didn't

(02:11):
feel complete by just learning how to textbooks, which is it
just it is how it is right now in North America.
It's how the medicine's passed on.
And so I sought out a teacher and I was so lucky to have met
my Japanese teacher's, a third generation, a practitioner in
Toronto. And so I started practicing with
him when I was still in school, so really young, in my early 20s
and learning from him. So he just passed down so much
information. So yeah, that's my history.

(02:33):
And then I think for anyone listening who is potentially
interested that like I've heard about acupuncture, what is it?
Is it for me? Let's dive a little bit into
those basics of like, what is acupuncture?
And like, why would someone actually decide to use that as a
healing modality for their health?
So I think to talk about acupuncture, I just have to 1st

(02:55):
mention this should go out saying, but we've become so
separate from this concept that our body is one complete
connected beautiful entity, right?
Like I feel like in, in Western medicine, unfortunately, we've
just kind of start divided everything.
You know, there's like head specialists, there's feet
specialists, there's a liver specialist, and everything's

(03:16):
been divided in how we look at our bodies.
And so the foundation of acupuncture is that there is an
awareness that we are one complete system and one cannot
ever look at anything without looking at everything.
And so acupuncture works on the energy channels.
And so it's almost like these like little energetic highways
that run through the entire system and everything is
connected to everything else. And there's over 400 points

(03:38):
along those channels where the energy of the system kind of
comes up to the surface. So by stimulating with little
hairs, the needles, they're super, super small.
It's nothing like a scary needlethat I think a lot of people
have an idea about. It's literally thinner than a
strand of hair. We're able to kind of tap into
the energy of the the system. And so, you know, if someone

(04:01):
were to come in with any sort oflike hormonal issues or you
know, their, their periods been acting funny or has stopped, we
wouldn't just look at the ovaries in the uterus as how one
would treat it. But you're looking at the the
whole system of is the liver overwhelmed?
Is the pituitary and hypothalamus like not able to
send proper hormonal messaging? Is there, you know, stagnation

(04:22):
and stuck energy like being heldin their body that the messaging
can't get to where it needs to go.
And so we're just constantly looking the entire system.
And what, what are some of like the things why people do
acupuncture and what would you recommend if like, hey, are
these are some of the things you're struggling with or is it
something you will just always integrate into your like
routine? Like what do you think is the

(04:43):
best way to use it? Well, I think again, because it
looks at everything that we can all benefit from it all the
time. And so in the lineage of
Japanese acupuncture, which is what I do, use a lot of
biofeedback. So it's speaking directly to the
innate wisdom of the body to understand what's happening
internally. And so we palpate a lot.

(05:04):
So we'll feel around the neck, we'll feel around the abdomen,
the feet, because all of the organs and glands of the system,
though they're very deep in the body, there's different reflex
zones that the masters of over, you know, 5000 years ago figured
out which points of the body arereflections of something deeper
within then. So for example, you know, if

(05:25):
you're feeling around the right rib cage, like that's where the
liver is. And so if there's tenderness
there, either for the patient oras a practitioner, it feels
really tight and stagnant. We know something's not quite
right with the liver or, you know, if the neck's really
tight, that's often where like alot of like sympathetic
OverDrive is happening. A lot of stress is being held
around the left clavicle where the heart lies, but it's tender

(05:46):
there. You know, there's a lot of
anxiety being felt by the body. And so it's a stance that we do
to figure out, okay, where is energy stuck?
Where is an inflamed, where is it undernourished?
And then using acupuncture points to try to bring energy to
where it needs to go. So yeah, I kind of feel the
beauty of it is that it's both. It's a treatment method, but but
even more importantly than that,it's also a diagnostic method.

(06:09):
And so whenever someone's quite feeling like something's not
quite right, you know, or something's a bit off, there's
this other tool that even if blood work's not telling you
anything's wrong or you know, you go for your check up and
everything's fine, but you're like, no, but something's not
quite right. Like I'm bloating all the time
now when I eat or I'm waking up at 2:00 in the morning, my
hair's thinning, I'm breaking out with acne.

(06:29):
Like anything, right? Like all the little signs of the
body like symptoms are so, so, so important.
Then this is such an incredible tool to both try to better
understand where is the weak link within the system and using
acupuncture and arable medicine to try to bring energy to where
it needs to go to strengthen thesystem.
Yeah. It makes total sense.
I think it's so important, right, for people to understand.

(06:51):
So acupuncture, right? First of all, let's bust this
myth by the way, like the needles don't hurt.
I feel like we just need to scream that from the roots off,
truly, because I recommend it toso many people when they're to
your point, right? It's sometimes it's like, you
know, like your body's always speaking to us, right?
Like we feel something and we'relike, I know there's something
off, but you don't necessarily know what it is.

(07:13):
And often we go to doctors and they also cannot necessarily
explain it, right? Like I think I hear that so
often around me where it's like,I'm struggling with this, but
you know, my doctor is just likeprescribing me something, but
it's not necessarily right. It's just soul thing, one
symptom, but not the root cause.And I think that's the power of
acupuncture where actually it can help you dive a little

(07:33):
deeper in understanding of like,OK, but where is this actually
this? I have this one symptom but it
gets you help you to get closer to this root cause.
Exactly, because I think so muchof the Western testing that we
have, and thank God we have it, but it's often getting pinged
when something's really out of whack.
But if we listen to the symptomsof our body, we can really start
to get clear that, yeah, when something's just like, waving a

(07:54):
white flag and like, over here, pay attention.
Like, even for me, a few months ago, my right eye started
twitching. And it was the strangest thing.
And so, you know, first my mind is like, oh, I need eye drops.
Like, oh, I'm not sleeping enough.
But it was like, no, no, something, something's wrong.
This has never happened before. My system is clearly stressed
out and I figured out that the new like facial FPF that I was

(08:16):
using, I was having a weird reaction to it and it was really
stressing out my nervous system.And so there's just such a need
to always be paying attention. And when you aren't able to put
the pieces together yourself andseeking out someone that can
help decode your body in this way is so powerful because it
doesn't need to get to the pointwhere it's like, Oh my God, you

(08:37):
have elevated liver enzymes and we put on a medication.
It's like just assess the thingswhen you're paying attention
that there's something just a little imbalance and your body
is just needing a bit of support.
Yeah, no, it's so true. It's it's it's super
interesting. Hey, what I wanted to ask you,
obviously we've worked together.I definitely wasp with you as
well. You use muscle testing, right,

(09:01):
with the acupuncture. Can you talk a little bit more
about that, like how you work and why you actually combine the
two together as well as actuallythe supplements and really what
does that look like? Yeah, so muscle testing is
another form of biofeedback, right?
Again, like the body is just infinitely wise and wants to be
listened to. And so it's all these different

(09:22):
the pathways in to just kind of assess that information.
And so muscle testing uses a series of muscle locks and
speaking directly to the nerves using reflexes.
And so the way that I do it is Iuse the left arm, but you could
use any major muscle. And I have someone lie on the
table and I push on their left arm.
And what should happen is because the body is always

(09:44):
looking to protect you from the biggest stressor coming at you,
right? Like that's how the body
protects itself. Then if I push on your arm, your
brain should tell your shoulder to lock up the deltoid muscles
so that I can't hurt your joint,right?
Same thing when the doctor knocks us in the knee, right?
They're not looking to see something wrong with your knee.
They're looking to see is your body responding to stress

(10:04):
properly. And so once I get a lock on the
system, we can start to speak directly to the body through the
nervous system to figure out where true stress lies.
Because if I start to compress your liver and your liver is
inflamed, or I compress and cut off blood supply to your thyroid
and your thyroid's undernourished, that in that
moment, the body's not going to prioritize the shoulder as the

(10:25):
biggest threat because this is not a big deal in comparison to
the thyroid losing nourishment. And so we know that because if I
compress your thyroid and repress on your left arm, it
went from being locked and like,I can't push it down to wobbly.
So yeah, it's, it's, it's prettywild.
And it really takes experiencingit to understand direct language
of life. Stressed out.

(10:46):
OK, stressed out. OK.
And then once we figure out what's going on, we can start
to, I have all these little tester kits, but the body
doesn't doesn't just trip out for no reason, right?
We know this, the body is, is sointelligent and working so hard
all the time, but our world is is toxic these days, whether
it's the food we're eating or our environment or different
immune pathogens that get in that don't fully ever go away.

(11:08):
Something comes along and trips us up and the system works
overtime to adjust to it, but eventually it starts to under
function. And so we use kits to try to
figure out what is impacting your thyroid, for example.
Is it gluten? Gluten can be really hard on the
thyroid. Is it chlorine from the hot tub
that you're getting in every day?
Like is it some sort of viral infection?

(11:30):
So we kind of helped to understand what exactly is
weakening the system, exactly which part of the body is down
for the count and then can give really targeted herbal medicine
or nutritional support or exactly which acupuncture points
that thyroid needs to become whole again.
And we know we have the right prescription.
When you put the supplements in a glass jar so the body can read

(11:51):
it better directly on the body, you recompress that that
stressed out thyroid. And all of a sudden, when you go
to press on the arm again, the arm's now locked because the
thyroid's no longer crying out for help.
Yeah, hey, and I've experienced this and I know to anyone
listening, this can sound a little woo or like, OK, she's
like pressing your arm and it's going to tell you how many, what
supplements you need to take, how many what echo, you know,

(12:14):
what points. And it's like the moment you
experience muscle testing, you're like, this is real
because like I feel when you laythere and someone is, it's like
using it. And I even had a chiropractor
who used it as well. Obviously it can be used with
different modalities. It's such a powerful tool
because it's actually, it's not just guessing, right.
You're actually really truly asking the body and truly

(12:36):
listening to it. It's so.
We're not just, we're not just throwing things at it.
And that's why when someone saysto me like, so I have a
headache, what can I take? I'm like, I can't tell you that
because what's causing your headache?
Is it because you're dehydrated?Is it because there is a
bacterial infection? Is it because, you know, in my
case, like some new product you're using is really stressing

(12:57):
out your system? And so it it, it can be so, so
targeted people get better. Right, It's so personalized.
It's truly because all our bodies are different.
We are different and it's actually truly listening and
tuning into your body for just like what is good for the
general person, but we're all very.
And when you do so, you can justup level the system so quickly.

(13:19):
Yeah. Hey, give us some examples.
What are some of like, like, whether it's like a couple of
stories of like people like who've really seen major health
improvements, whether it's through, you know, hormonal
imbalances, whether it's puttingpeople into labor, just like,
give us some like. Yeah, so, OK, so this week I,
this woman, mid 40s, was experiencing crazy night sweats,

(13:43):
like having to change her clothes like 3 times in the
night. And she had seen so many
specialists. She's tried taking all sorts of,
you know, they just kind of assume like, oh, it's
perimenopause. They put her on different sorts
of hormones. Nothing helped.
And when I was muscle testing her, I figured out that her body
was incredibly overwhelmed by heavy metals and in particular

(14:04):
by gold. Her body was not able to
tolerate gold and she wasn't wearing any jewelry.
You know, she doesn't have any metal parts inside of her body.
And like, you know, joint replacements.
But she has had her ears piercedsince she was 10 years old,
sorry, ten days old. So she has had some sort of
metal or gold, you know, in her body for her for 45 years.

(14:25):
And I had her take the earrings out and within a week, the night
sweats have fully gone away. So like, that's what we're
talking about. Like, it is like, it can be so
dramatic, the different. But meanwhile, her body's been
like screaming out to her for a really long time being like, I
do not like this. I do not like this.
This is poisoning me and it's inme all the time.
So it's just, yeah, it's such aninteresting way of listening.

(14:47):
And then using acupuncture points to help detoxify the
system, help to move the flush the lymphs, help to balance out
the parts of our body that are being impacted by this for so
long. And using different binding
supplements to help key light the metals out of her in
addition to removing. And that's the really important

(15:07):
part too, right? And why you just can't throw
things at people. You have to make sure you remove
the thing that's actually takingthe system down.
Otherwise you're caught in the system where you're going to be
taking supplements or medicationall the time.
Because that's why your body needs to just keep at a state of
balance. When really the name of the game
here is figure out what is tripping someone out, remove it
entirely so the body can go backto its full resilience of taking

(15:28):
care of itself, which is how thebody is designed to work.
Hey, that's so true, actually. Like we all right, we don't
actually heal people, right? But we put people in a good
state of health again, where thebody can actually heal itself.
Yeah, that's that. That is the goal.
The body is so smart. Care itself, it's just paying

(15:49):
attention to the symptoms, paying attention when
something's not quite right and removing what that is.
And so the other beauty too is, and what I love about the
Japanese form of acupuncture palpation is we all
constitutionally, we might have certain weaknesses within the
system, right? Like certain generational things
that are passed down or any sortof, you know, major illness that

(16:09):
you may have gone through at anypoint in your life, injuries,
scars that may have happened. Like we all have this individual
makeup and constitution that even though, you know, for
example, you might, you know, gothrough surgery, you heal, the
symptoms go away, the scar looksgood.
We think you're fine. You know, if that scar, because

(16:32):
it just cuts through so much tissue and lymphatic and it
impacts so much of the system. It's just always about like
peeling back the layers to kind of bring the body back into that
state of health. And so it's like in looking at
someone's constitution and theirgenetics of how things are
passed down, but also assessing which is the weak link within
the system, right? And so I don't know if that's

(16:52):
like making sense. But the beautiful thing when
someone comes in is they might be presenting with a bunch of
symptoms that seem to be impacting a bunch of different
areas of the body. But it's all about figuring out
what's the one domino that started to knock everything else
over. Because you know, for example,
if you have a gut infection there, it might be the small

(17:15):
intestine that's the most inflamed, but then the adrenals
are going to start to work over time to compensate for how much
stress is being put on that system.
And then when the adrenals startto go down, the thyroid kind of
jumps in to help out the adrenals.
And so it becomes this like fullsystem support goes on for too
long, Systems start to go down. And so the beauty of really

(17:36):
paying attention is figuring outnot just throwing solutions at
all the different things, but removing the stressors and
figuring out what's the main domino that went down 1st and
supporting that system. Because once it's backed on its
own 2 feet, it stops relying so heavily on everything else, the
body can go back to working in its full state.
That's so true. Hey, I have two more big
questions I want to ask you. One is I know you're also

(17:59):
obviously you supplement people as well and you're also very
aware of the difference between Whole Foods versus synthetic
supplements. So is that, have you muscle
tested it? Like what are the differences
that you have recognizing peopleand why would you recommend a
more whole food based supplement?
The difference is immediate because either, especially with
muscle testing, it is so clear with muscle testing, what makes

(18:21):
the body stronger. Meaning if you put something on
the system and the body wants it, the arm is like rock solid.
You cannot move that arm, right?The body's like, yes, yes, yes,
yes. It makes me so strong.
Please give this to me. Something on the system that is
hard for it to process, has chemicals in it is toxic.
What we know, whatever it may be, you know, immediately
because the body, the arm startsto go wonky.
And so it's, you know, like I, Ihad someone the other day, I was

(18:44):
in a rush, so I didn't have timeto kind of go through everything
one at a time. I was like, bring in a bag of
all the stuff you're taking because something that's
entering your body on a daily basis is, is wearing you down.
So he brought in, you know, all the supplements, whether
they're, I mean, all the things in addition to like colognes and
skin care products and shampoos and laundry detergent.
And I just started testing things one at a time, one at a

(19:06):
time without looking at them, just seeing what makes you
strong, what makes you weak? What does the body want?
What does it not want? So I had him bring in a bag full
of all of his daily things that he was using, whether it was
like skin care products, the colognes, the shampoo, that
conditioner, all of his supplements.
And I just blind tested him. So I just one at a time put
something on his body and and checked his arm to see if it was

(19:27):
wanting it and it was making himstronger or if it was like heck
no. And when I went to go look, it
was everything that was organic and whole food was in the yes
pile and everything that was, you know, may smell really good,
but like was not clean at all. Or, you know, those like
synthetic vitamins that he was grabbing from CVS.

(19:49):
It was all in the no, it was so fascinating to kind of see how
clearly the body wants, you know, what's what's clean for
it. And I think in terms of the
supplements, Whole Foods, the body knows what to do with that,
right? It knows how to process it, it
knows how to accept it. And so it whatever I can use
like my go to when trying to give someone the right protocol
is always going to be Food Firstbecause food strengthen the

(20:13):
body's system. And then give it what it needs
to up level function so it can take care of helping to, you
know, detoxify or strengthen andnourish versus herbs, which are
kind of more a bit more hardcoreand kind of like forces in
action a little bit. Yeah, it's really interesting
how how how much better the bodycan be if you just give it the

(20:33):
building blocks of of what it requires to function optimally.
100% and then really quickly because we didn't talk about it
as much, what is the difference between Chinese and Japanese
acupuncture? Well, you know, they both came
up through their own individual cultures over these thousands of
years. And so there's a lot of
differences to it. But the main thing is where the
Japanese way, as I was saying, is kind of a dance for the body

(20:55):
and it uses a lot of palpation. It's like feeling around really
interesting the the lineage of Japanese acupuncture, a lot of
it were blind acupuncturists. So there really was such a
refinement in like really feeling right when one, when one
sense is down, the other one's become stronger.
And so it's much more touch baseand feeling in the body to know
where something's not quite right and what it needs to be

(21:16):
stronger. Where the Chinese way relies a
lot on feeling the pulses and observing the tongue.
So knowing kind of what's a bit off of the system?
Yeah, and aren't the needles slightly bigger from Chinese
acupuncture? Well.
No, it depends. It depends where they're being
sourced from, right? Yeah, I think they can be.
Yeah, I think, well, I think another difference is the

(21:38):
Chinese. No, I think one of the
differences is in Chinese medicine, it will kind of go
directly into a point. So let's say something's tender,
they might use that as a indication that that is that
where the energy needs to be stimulated most, which has
incredible benefits. But the Japanese way is more
like, Oh no, no, if that's tender, that's telling us

(22:00):
something. So let's then figure out which
other points in the body, which other points, you know, on a
similar, your channel can relieve that tension.
So it kind of I think can feel abit more gentle in that way
because it's. Great.
Yeah, no, I agree. I feel Chinese acupuncture
sometimes it's also more like it's moves a lot of energy very
quickly where I feel like Japanese have I experienced.

(22:24):
It's just like much more specific and much more targeted
and therefore also like more gentle in a way.
Too. Yeah, yeah.
That, that makes total sense. Yeah, last thing.
Tell us about the den mother. That's something amazing you
created in LA. If anyone listening is in LA or
you're visiting LA, you have to go to a bikini.
At the minimum you need to get an amazing foot massage and neck

(22:47):
massage in the back garden because that's just bliss.
And but really tell us about that creation of you and what
the demo is. Yeah, So it is our tagline is
we're a neighborhood Wellness retreat because we really wanted
to help bring this type of medicine a just awareness,
right, of the of these healing modalities that exist and make

(23:09):
it more part of people's lives. So going back to your very first
question of like who needs acupuncture and when do you seek
it out? I feel like the way we use it in
North America, it's like I've tried everything.
I'm really not OK, like now I'llseek out these more alternative
options. But in China, the hospitals have
the Western division and the Eastern division.
So it's like depending what's going on with you, you are

(23:30):
either going to go see an herbalist, you know, and get on
herbal care or more the way thatwe see Western medicine.
So it's just our attempt to makethese therapeutics a part of our
daily lives. And all the services we do are
really targeted towards reducingstress in the body.
And so, you know, the garden massage, that's our, you know,
it's our easiest treatment to do, takes only 30 minutes, but

(23:51):
it's a targeted massage that relaxes the areas we hold stress
the most. So it's a scallop massage, the
neck, the shoulders and the feet.
We have a Tucsonic cold plunges in the backyard.
We have gardens and fire pits all around.
So just really encouraging people to come for self-care,
but then also be in nature, be in community, you know, extend
this moment. So, you know, we don't wait

(24:12):
until we're completely burnt outand sick to like book a vacation
as our way to relax, but remembering that you could have
access to these little moments throughout the day and more part
of your daily lifestyle to help keep you in a state of healing.
And so we converted this old 1930s bungalow and the four
rooms of the house that have thefour treatment rooms.
And the living room is now our apothecary.

(24:34):
And what used to be the backyardis now our little like garden
healing spot. So just wanting to feel really
cozy and accessible. Yeah.
So we do all sorts of, like, Ayurvedic body work, and that's
where I do my acupuncture and muscle testing.
So there's all different ways that one can take care of
themselves. But really, it's about, like,
reducing stress in the body. And so stress might be something

(24:56):
as simple as, like, you know, tight shoulders, needing a
massage. But it could also be what we've
been talking about, like, where's the body holding on
stress and screaming at you withpretty major symptoms and
needing, you know, much more targeted, personalized care to
help bring the body back into balance.
Yeah, and the dead motor is absolutely.
I love going there. I don't know.
I love just sitting there. Sometimes I'm like I don't need

(25:16):
a treat but I just want to sit. Yeah, that's why we have all the
spaces. It's like, how could I think
just being there already makes you feel good?
And just how to reset the? 100% the energy is just really
good and I think it's even just like for everyone.
Just walk in already. Check out the store.
There's so many things to explore.
So yeah, it's great. Thank you, Elisa.

(25:36):
We're gonna wrap it up. I would love to talk about her
30 minutes. This is like so fun to learn
about everything. But thank you for sharing and
just for doing everything you doand helping so many people
because I know it's, you know, you're taking on a lot of energy
still little, 2 little kids running around running a
business. There's a lot of different

(25:57):
things that you're doing and putting out in a row.
I love it so much, it's such a gift.
So I would say until next time when we maybe I want to dive
into another topic, but it is for today.
Thank you for anyone who's listening.
I hope you found this interesting and we'll be back
next week with another episode. Hey, thank you.
Thank you. Bye.
Bye.
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