October 21, 2025 • 31 mins
Elissa Goodman, Holistic Nutritionist & Cleanse Expert, shares her transformative journey through cancer, her holistic healing approach, and insights on detoxing and emotional health. She discusses her personal experiences with plant medicine, the importance of emotional health, and her upcoming book on healthy aging.
Takeaways
- Elissa Goodman overcame cancer with a holistic approach.
- Emotional health is crucial for overall wellness.
- Detoxing is a natural body process, not a trend.
- Plant medicine can aid emotional healing.
- Nutrition plays a key role in health recovery.
- Stress management is vital for health.
- Hydration and fiber are essential for detoxing.
- Elissa's journey inspired her career in nutrition.
- Her upcoming book focuses on healthy aging.
- Community and support are important for healing.
Chapters
- 00:21 Introduction to Elissa Goodman
- 03:00 Cancer Diagnosis and Holistic Healing
- 09:00 Detoxing and Nutrition
- 15:00 Emotional Health and Plant Medicine
- 21:00 Insights on Healthy Aging
Find out more about Erin:
Elissa Goodman shares her healing wisdom through her signature programs and bestselling book, Cancer Hacks: A Holistic Guide to Overcoming Your Fears and Healing Cancer. Drawing from her personal journey of healing from Hodgkin’s lymphoma, Elissa has guided thousands through holistic approaches to detox, nourish, and reclaim their health—emotionally, mentally, and physically.
Her book invites readers to rethink the cancer journey with a powerful blend of nutrition, emotional healing, and spiritual insight. Elissa also offers structured cleanses and programs designed to support the immune system, reduce inflammation, and restore balance in the body.
You can explore her work, book a session, or access free wellness tools at elissagoodman.com.
Keywords
Elissa Goodman, cancer journey, holistic healing, detoxing, emotional health, plant medicine, healthy aging, nutrition, wellness
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(00:05):
Hi, I'm Crystal. And I'm Michael, and we're the
founders of Super Plans. If you're ready to improve your
health and live a life you love,hit subscribe and let's get
started. Welcome to the Super Health
podcast. Welcome to the Super Health
podcast, Elisa He. Elisa is a holistic
(00:27):
nutritionist, best selling author of the book Cancer Hex,
and a detox expert based in LA. After a cancer diagnosis in her
early 30s and losing her husbandto cancer years later, it's
became Elisa's personal mission to heal herself and others.
For her cleanse program, she's helped thousands of people
reclaim their health from the inside out.
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Thank you for joining us today. I'm so excited to talk to you.
You've been through such it's a like a powerful healing journey
and I actually would love to just get started there to tell
us a little. Bit more about, yeah, it's, I
know it's been a long journey. It's a lot.
It's a lot, you know, and we're just talking before we got
jumped on the podcast, like how a lot of stuff needs courage.
(01:13):
You know, I think just my journey took a lot of courage
that I didn't know I had. So that is the beautiful part of
it. It definitely was not fun.
You know, when I was growing up,I was sick all the time because
I had a low white blood cell count when I was born and no one
knew what to do with that in those days.
You know, it was a many, many, many years ago.
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So I was just constantly gettingsick and just feeling really
tired and behind the 8 ball and just not functioning with my
brain as well as I could have, you know, just eating a lot of
sugar, a lot of carbs to get energy, caffeine, you know, all
of those things. In those days we drink a lot of
soda. We just kind of ate crappy eats
too. And so just emotionally and
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physical, I kind of always felt like, am I ever going to feel
great? That was the bummer.
And my my youth was about, you know, hey, graduate from
college, you work, you try to make as much money as possible,
you know, just climb the corporate ladder.
That was what we were taught to do.
And I did that in my 20s, moved to New York from Arizona, where
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I had grown up. And I did all of that.
Of course, was sick all the timethere, but I was always kind of
investigating little health foodstores or trying to read books
on like what it would take to get healthier and more
energized. And I just felt like I can't
really. I think in my gut I couldn't
live like this forever. And finally I said to my
husband, who was from New York at the time, I said, you know, I
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really want to move West. And he was like thinking, he was
thinking New Jersey and I'm thinking California.
So I'm like no, I'm not going toNew Jersey, but I was like, I
want sunshine and like lower keylife and you know, just less
stress. And we did move to LA from the
minute I moved to Lai got this dream job with Vogue magazine
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and I ended up getting diagnosedwith cancer.
So I got diagnosed with Hodges lymphoma 6 months into the job.
And I was like, like, you know, all of that stuff that I felt
all those years caught up with me and I did.
It was an early stage, which wasreally beautiful.
And the doctors scared the living daylights out of me.
Like they do, you're going to have to do chemo, radiation,
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freeze your eggs, all of those things.
And then I went to this one guy reluctantly after seeing many,
many doctors and he sat me down and he was like, OK, what's
going on in your life? Like are you happy?
Do you love what you do, you know, do you love your husband?
Do you love your job? What's going on in your world?
You sleep, what's your stress like?
Like And I was like, and he alsosaid, do you love yourself?
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And when he said do you love yourself, I was like, no one's
ever asked me that. And they still don't ask that
question today. But I am burst into tears and
I'm like, I don't know what thatfeels like.
I don't love myself. I have major stress.
You know, I'm not sure I love myjob.
I'm not sure I love kept living in California, you know, cuz all
my friends were in New York. I mean, it just was really like
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all this tumultuous turmoil going on constantly.
I was living in fight or flight mode.
And he was like, we got to really get your stress down.
We have to figure out ways that you can learn to love yourself
and also, you know, just really calm your central nervous system
down. And that was 32 years ago that
that guy said that, you know, sowhat's cool is that that
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happened and it changed my life.And I went to therapy and I
jumped into every self help bookand I started doing yoga and I
started walking and hiking, being out in nature just to calm
my nervous system down. And then I started eating really
healthy and started juicing. And I did a little radiation.
I did not do chemo, but I did radiation because my friends and
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family were freaking out that I wasn't going to do any
treatment. So they were not OK with that.
So the radiation did do a numberon my body.
They rated my thyroid, I got hypothyroidism and then I got
Hashimoto's. You know, they rated like my
gut. I got celiac, I mean digestive
issues. I had to deal with that
afterwards but I'm glad I just chose to do half the radiation
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and I was I healed and then I went on to have two girls and
then 11 1/2 years later my husband was diagnosed with non
Hodgkin's lymphoma and his was farther along.
He was he found a lymph node on his neck and he wasn't diagnosed
for six months. So it gotten to a later stage
and he ended up doing 2 bone marrow transplants in a year and
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1/2 he was scared shitless and he died of fungal pneumonia at
46 years old. So it was like 2 parents in the
same household, people also who had cancer.
And then I'm like, oh shit, now what I do with my life.
I just was scared shitless again.
So I was scared when I got the cancer.
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I was scared when he died. And, you know, I was like, I
have to get my act together because I have these two girls,
they're going to feel like they're going to get cancer, you
know, automatically because their parents did.
And cancer is going to scare theliving daylights out of them.
So I went back to school and gotcertified in Eastern and Western
nutrition for the family just, and also for me to get healthy,
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I started getting healthy again.I went back to juicing, eating
healthy. I just went back to, you know,
more self help practices and just learning everything I could
to figure out how I was going tobe strong and healthy and
vibrant and raise these two girls on my own.
So I did in that and I didn't doany of that to become a
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nutritionist or to do what I do,but it just like I loved it so
much and there was all these restaurants in Los Angeles that
hired me to do their food programs for them.
And so I handheld all the peoplewho were on the food program for
a week and I found out they had all these health issues.
And then I started kind of diving in to see how I could
help them individually. And then one thing led, then I
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started doing that. So and then I created my own
food programs 13 years ago and now I do blood work and I twist
trained in functional medicine. So it sort of grew into this
whole business that I am completely obsessed with.
What a journey, it's amazing. Yeah.
It's so inspiring and I think it's, you know what you said,
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it's courage step by step. And I think it's funny because I
also talk to a lot of, you know,like from super health, a lot of
super plans, a lot of customers.I do like one-on-one chats with
them and very really every womanis and every just every person
is on a journey. It's like a health is a journey.
It's not like one straight line.And I think everyone is always
looking for this one quick fix. But I think once you can have
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that, start having that long term vision and understand of
like, OK, this is a journey whatI'm going to be doing the rest
of my life, you know, figuring it out and finding that balance.
Like that's where the magic happens.
It takes just this consistent work, you know, you do fall off
the wagon, but we can easily getback on.
I mean, I just feel like the body is miraculous.
(08:08):
It can heal from anything. But we don't believe it.
We don't believe we can heal. We don't believe we can really
change our lives, and that's thehardest part of all, yeah.
So true. Hey, so tell me more.
I want to talk about detoxing. It's something I'm also very
passionate about. I think it's and you probably
get this question a lot, right? But it's such a loaded word and
(08:29):
like a lot of people are like, is it even real?
Detoxing is fake. Like it's just a hype.
It's just a trend. Like what does detoxing mean to
you? And like how like kind of if you
can talk about the program and like how do you detox?
Yeah, I mean, it is cleansing. Detoxing is the loaded word
these days, even more so, you know, and the old days detoxing
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and cleansing was more about starvation, deprivation, you
know, all of that. But I we detox daily.
Our body is naturally doing that, you know, and if it's
working right, you know, everything works properly, it
can easily detox. I mean, first line of defense of
detoxing is going the bathroom and pooping every day.
But then you've talked to peoplewho don't poop for five days and
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you're like, OK, you know, that's, it's as simple as that.
That's the, you know, biggest thing is to get when toxins go
into the system because we're loaded with toxins and we're now
onslaught it with way more toxins than we should be than we
used to be. Like they need to be excreted
out of the body. So for me, detoxing, cleansing
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is so simple really about, you know, pooping every day, making
sure you do that. It's about eating real foods.
Your body knows how to metabolize it and it can be
digested and it can be excreted out of the body.
I mean, getting enough fiber in your diet, none of us do.
Fiber helps move food through the system.
A minimum of 30 to 50 grams of fiber a day and just kind of
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watching your fiber. Everybody watches their protein
and carbs, but they don't reallythink about fiber.
It's really, you know, taking out the inflammatory foods like
a lot of sugars and maybe if gluten does disagree with you,
you know, not eating the gluten and cow dairy can be
inflammatory goat and sheep or better.
I mean, it's, it's just about, you know, really and bad seed
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oil. So taking like as much as we
can, the inflammatory foods away, eating real foods, making
sure the food is digested and moved through the body, making
sure we're pooping and also justmaking sure our gut and our
liver are working properly. You know, a lot, you know,
happens in the gut in terms of digestion and breaking down food
and absorbing nutrients. And our tests need to be, you
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know, hydration needs to happen so for food to be moved through.
And our liver also needs to be in good shape so we can take the
toxins and like turn them into safe form so we can excrete them
out. So that, I mean, it's not rocket
science here that you know, and also it's a bit sleep, sleep we
detox in our sleep, you know. I'll talk about sleep.
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I know, I know you don't sleep yet Sweating.
We we detox with sweating and for it's honest or just sweating
outside in the sun, you know, just doing that skin brushing.
I love for detox, but it's just none of this stuff is like
expensive. It's all cheap, it's all free,
you know, Mostly so true. That's what I where, where does
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the juicing for you come into play?
Because you, you mentioned it a couple of times.
I went back to juicing or went to juicing.
So what role does that play evenin your day-to-day life?
And like, what did you do? I mean, I did, I used to juice
like carrots and beets and you know, you have to peel me off
the ceiling because they have somuch sugar in them.
You know, like talk about like asugar rush.
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But so now, like for the for years now I've just done greens
like cucumber, celery, lemon, ginger and romaine or arugula or
spinach or kale. So I don't do any sugar in my
juices as much as I can. Some of these vegetables have a
little bit of sugar, but I just don't do any fruit.
I don't do carrots or beets. And it's just a liquid idea of
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vitamins and minerals, antioxidants.
Like, it's really beautiful. So that is in the morning most
of the time. And I juiced for years and
years. And now I've just been throwing
them into the blender because it's easier because I want to
get the fiber too. So yeah, I mean, you can easily
juice cucumbers, celery, lemon, ginger, and that's a home run
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for people. And that's not expensive.
Smiling because that's literallywhat I did this morning.
I like it's my go to recipe. It's about it also just tastes
so good. It does.
And it's just like, I don't know, I mean, I love smoothies
and I will I'll go back to smoothies, but it's just like
juicing always hits different and I think it's even nice to
start with that. And even if you do later in the
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day, still smooth, right? Right.
People don't get enough vegetables in their diet
throughout the day, you know, Soit's a really good way to
jumpstart that, you know, I would say with that drink, it's
like 3 to 4 cups of vegetables, you know, So and we really, I
feel we need 8, but that's just my personal opinion.
That's a lot for people. So hey, the word about her and
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then tell us a little bit about because I want to come actually,
well, maybe I'm going to go herefirst.
So you have your juice in the morning sells a little bit of
what are some of your other non negotiable you have throughout
today? Yeah, so I would say like, I see
a lot of people who are dehydrated, like massively
dehydrated because we're drinking coffee and we're taking
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over the counter meds that are synthetic, you know, and we're
eating a ton of animal protein. So it takes a lot of water to
break down that animal protein. So it's very dehydrating.
So I think women need 96 oz, menneed 120.
People don't realize how much hydration we the juice counts
for hydration like a soup, nothing that's caffeinated.
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If it's a herbal tea, that's hydration, you know, So
hydration is key. And most people get like 60 oz.
So I definitely strive for 96 orup to 100 even.
I love a hydrating powder that has like a really nice array of
magnesium, manganese, potassium chloride, zinc C It's called
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Ultima Replenisher. It's not the cleanest like
hydrating powder. None of them are like it does
have a little bit of citric acidand it does have stevia.
I do love stevia, but I dilute it.
I take a scoop and I dilute it into 32 oz and I drink two of
those a day. And my energy's better.
My brain works better, my digestion and, you know, being
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able to go to the bathroom worksbetter.
So that's a non negotiable for me.
And getting the fiber too is a non negotiable, you know, a
minimum of 30 grams and a cup ofberries is 8 1/2 grams.
And you know, I usually throw chia seeds into my water that's
10. And then I always, I do eat
legumes and beans. I eat a little bit of
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everything. So I'm not a strict anything
girl these days. And so white beans, you know, a
half a cup is 9 1/2 grams. So it's easy to strive for the
30. So I'm always, you know, making
sure pumpkin seeds are high in fiber.
I just make sure I get the 30 grams of fiber.
Nice. Dumb.
I would say that I also keep my food otherwise I just am just
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always eating plant forward, youknow, lots of leafy greens and
vegetables. I do make sure I get enough
protein, like 75 to 90 grams forme, you know, and I eat really
clean animal protein because especially at my age 65, like
you need muscle, you know, you need to build muscle, you need
to maintain your skeletal muscle.
It's hard. So protein is key.
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And my blood sugar too, you know, when you go through
menopause, it elevates and you want to make sure you're
balancing your blood sugar And that way, I mean, de stressing.
De stressing is a non negotiablefor me.
I meditate, I journal. I also sit outside in the sun in
the morning for 15 minutes to, you know, recalibrate my system,
raise my cortisol, you know, make sure that, you know, I
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like, recalibrate my melatonin, all of that circadian rhythms.
So yeah. And I walk every day.
So hey. And that's such a powerful,
underestimated thing, walking. I think that's just a reminder
for anyone, this thing, just go outside and go for a walk.
You're here doing two things that you're outside and you're
walking. It's great and it's so simple.
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There's a study that was just done.
Three walks, you know, a day, a week.
Three walks will lower your possibility of getting dementia
by 30%. That's not much three days a
week, right? Oh, it's not and I think it's I
even started doing. I mean, obviously I walk also a
lot of the kids of a stroller, but even just like in the
morning, like it's when like themoment I get up, I like I put on
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just like clothes, my shoes and just go for 20 minute walk by
myself without a stroller. What a concept.
And then I'm like I can breathe and like it's almost like a
walking meditation. It can be as well, right.
So it's just like there's such abeauty, like even leave your
phone and just be outside and observe presents.
Yeah, such a hour in it. There is, there's yeah, Walking
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is crazy beautiful. So yeah, hey, you mentioned
menopause. How has the journey been for
you? I was like, you mean you're
going to have a book about healthy aging.
I'm sure menopause is going to be a big topic in it as well.
I've got so many questions aboutit because you have a lot of
customers going for menopause. I have not experienced it yet.
So I'm like, I'm so curious whathas worked for you and what are
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what have you been learning? I went into menopause and my
husband passed away and I, I was46.
I went right on HRT at 46. My doctor was really advanced.
I went on low dose of estradol, progesterone, testosterone, and
I've never had metabolic symptoms the whole entire time.
So I'm 65 today and I just feel amazing.
I always felt good cognitively, everything worked.
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So I got really lucky. But dealing with clients that's
not so much the case. But I, when I do blood work on
all my clients, I do thorough hormone testing.
I know that blood for the hormones isn't the most accurate
hormone testing. It's really the Dutch test that
tells a lot about how the hormones are functioning, how
you're metabolizing things. But I do get a little picture
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into what's going on just overall.
So in people's, I can see that, you know, their estradiol is too
low or it's too high or they're,there are these two hormones out
of the adrenals that are called DHEA and pregnenolone.
And they're steroid hormones that actually when you're
stressed, they deplete because it's your adrenals, but they
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actually do help. Pregnenolone helps your whole
endocrine system, your thyroid, your adrenals, your estradol,
progesterone, testosterone. DHEA helps your estradiol and
your testosterone, OK, It helps promote it.
It boosts it and helps keep it like, you know what you have
working. So I test all of that in my
younger, you know, women clients.
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And if they're low, we just put them on pregnant alone or DHEA
or both. And it does help them go into
menopause in an easier way because then they don't have
these dives, you know, of estradiol because they're having
something that helps keep it going and boosts it and, you
know, balances it and supports it.
It's wild. It's so easy.
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And then we look, look at their blood sugar, you know, just all
the things that kind of go on that actually maybe force women
into menopausal. Earlier I talked to them about
stress, you know, de stressing in the sleep.
And that also is huge, you know,and just how they feel about
themselves. Yeah.
So. I think it's it's very, I mean,
and it's actually, I think this is for out women's lives, right?
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I think it's actually so important to lean into the rest,
into the feminine, right into the being.
And I think we're living sometimes in such a masculine
world. And I think that creates so much
stress in women that completely messes with her hormones.
So like, in any stage of a women's life, I think that's
even Yeah to menopause. It's like we need to honor also
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who we are as women, actually. Yeah.
I can't know because I have 20 year olds that hormones are way
off, you know, and I also like women who were trying to get
pregnant having fertility issues.
You know, most doctors don't test their thyroid.
And if your thyroid is not functioning, it is hard to get
pregnant these days, you know, So that's part of the endocrine
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system and that's part of like the adrenals getting stressed,
throwing off the thyroid, so. And tell me your book, Healthy
Aging. What?
When is it coming? What can we expect?
Anything you can share already? Yeah, my first book was Cancer
Hacks, which is my story, my husband's story about what we
did right and wrong. The second one is Aging Hacks,
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and it's just my story about what's worked, what hasn't
worked. Because you know, it's really
crazy out there what's happeningin the longevity space and the
aging space and also the health world, right?
Like, I mean, it's like nowadaysyou're like, Oh my God, do I
even enter into this world? Because it is overwhelming with
what's out there and what's offered and what's so much do I
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take and what modalities do I do?
And everybody's talking about a different thing and it's crazy
what's going on. So I just want to like personal
vignettes and personal stories because at my age right now at
65, I feel better than I did in my 20s.
So it's like I feel better mentally, physically,
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cognitively, emotionally. It is so crazy.
I like I'm just stronger, you know, in every way.
So that's my goal for everyone, men and women as they age,
because I'm just don't want to hear from them.
Like I'm not sleeping well. I'm just going to deal with it.
Or I'm like, you know, heavy around the middle and I'm never
going to be able to get rid of that weight.
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I'm just going to have to deal with it or my brain isn't
working properly. You know, it's just, I'm just
getting old. I don't really believe any of
that. You know, everything could be
changed, everything like, you know, if you want to, if you
want to really get to a place where you.
I just had a grandchild. It's so crazy.
And the idea of not being like energetic and vibrant enough to
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be watch this child grow up justfeels awful.
You know, yeah, totally. Hey, I'm looking.
So when is this coming? The book.
It's the end of the year. End of the year, Yeah, that's
exciting. Yeah.
Thank you. I'm excited.
Yeah. Thank you for the work you're
doing. It's like I think it's, it is
right in our own journeys and being able to share that.
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I think there's so much power inthat.
And it's. Yeah, I think I know.
Really it's just, you know, I'vetried a little bit of everything
I like. I'm, I'm an, I'm that type of
person. I'm also an Aries and Aries are
very like motivated and I reallyam not happy if I'm not just out
doing everything and trying everything.
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So it's been, sometimes it drives you crazy and stresses me
out, but it's been a good thing I think for what I do and you
know, being able to like just investigate everything I can and
just to see what is really working for my clients and what
isn't or me, you know, and so I have like first hand personal
experience. So amazing now would love to
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dive a little bit into because Ithink a huge piece of health
right is also our emotional health.
You've been very open about yourplant medicine journey, about
using also mushrooms. What made you go that route and
like what has been your experience been like?
Well, the first time I did ayahuasca a year after my
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husband died because I was kind of a mess and I did, you know, I
was mad at him that he left us. So when I did this journey with
a friend and, you know, it was so powerful because he came to
me right away in the journey. He came and he was like, he was
a big golfer and loved playing golf.
So he came, he was on this beautiful golf course.
He looked massively healthy and happy.
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And I was like, why the fuck didyou leave me?
I can't raise these two girls onmy own.
And he's like, yes, you can. Yes, you can.
I would never have left you if Ididn't think you were strong
enough to do this, you know? And it was so profound.
I was like, OK, I could do this,you know, like that kind of
stuff. And then later on, I got
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insomnia. I stopped sleeping and it was
really horrible. Like the cancer was not even
half as bad as the insomnia because I didn't really know.
I tried everything to try to figure out what was going on and
what it was. At the end of the day, it was in
I was in a relationship that wasnot healthy, which was wild, but
I didn't know that during the soI started doing the mushrooms
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and I started try unloading a lot of trauma that I was
carrying around a ton of stuff that I was really hard on
myself. I saw that I didn't love myself.
I saw that I never gave myself abreak.
You know, it was just and the people around me, I didn't give
a break and it's just I was driving myself into the ground.
So, you know, it did help the sleep a little bit.
It didn't help it to the degree that I would have liked, but you
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know, I definitely my, my healthchanged, my hypothyroidism, my
thyroid went back into alignment, my antibodies went
down, my digestive worked better.
Like I was happier, you know, and overall my relationships
were better. All of that helped.
So it's just been crazy beautiful to like see what your
subconscious is trying to tell you because we don't know.
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We just, we operate 95% out of our subconscious, 5% conscious,
which always blows my mind. I thought it was the other way
around, but we're so subconscious and we're
recirculating these thought patterns in these messages or
these stories we're telling ourselves.
Some of the stories are true andsome aren't true, you know, so
you can go on the on the journeyand be like and see, Oh my God,
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that isn't true. That story that I thought was
true. And you get to release it
viscerally from your body, you know, or you get to release the
trauma viscerally. It's like not just from your
head, it's from your body as well.
And I think that talk therapy isgreat, but you're just never
being able to release it, you know, from your body.
And I think that's what we stuffit all down in our body and it's
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just a beautiful thing to release it.
It's not easy to do the plant medicine.
Sometimes you get into very darkplaces and it's scary.
Definitely. I will not say it's been like
hunky Dory home run and like just happy at times I'm, you
know, just crawled up in a ball and crying and being like, my
God, can I get through this? But you can.
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You do get through it. You can.
It's 100% I think it never givesyou anything that you cannot
handle in my experience. Like it like it's almost like
builds up and it's like, OK, yougot stronger again.
And I think there's yeah the theI think everyone has completed
their own journeys, right? And you always get what you
need. And in what I've also
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experienced, sometimes you do itand then you're like 3 months
later, you look back on your life like 3 months and you're
like, everything changed. And it's just like, it's
incredible because you can even I've had like my first, if I
look at my first journey. So I was like, I didn't even, I
didn't even feel like anything really happened in the journey.
If someone asked me about it, I didn't really know.
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But then like 3 months later, I looked back and I'm like, like I
moved. My lifelong eczema just actually
went away. And like, it's just that I was
just like, Donna, this is like just kind of major.
Yeah, yeah, I know. You're right, you're right.
I mean, I do wish it was legal. That's the bummer.
You know, it's illegal. I've tried a lot of different
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things that ketamine as well, you know, I don't know, if I
were to choose one, it would be the psilocybin that's been game
changer for me. So an MDMA is also beautiful.
A lot of the shamans here and the doctors do MDMA and
psilocybin together. That's pretty powerful.
So, you know, it's not legal. So it gets a little tricky to
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talk about and to also recommendto people, but it has, it has
been around forever and Michael Paul has.
Been around forever. Well, you can go out to the
jungle in Peru. I think that's true to South
America. Very normal there.
And you know what else I've beendoing lately is because I did a
lot of the mushrooms and I've been doing cacao ceremonies.
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So cacao from Peru. That's, you know, and a heart
opener. And if you don't want to
experience a psychedelic part that comes along with some of
these plant medicines, cacao doesn't have that, and that is
exceptional too. Hey, and I think there it comes
down to something which is I think the power of I am or the
power of cacao. It's the ceremonial setting,
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right? So there is something I think
about gathering and I think I'm actually hosting a women's
circle tonight, right. But there is something about
just coming together in a circlein ceremony, yes, and right with
the intention of, and this can be cacao, right and drinking.
It's just there is something that happens.
There is a magic that happens and we realized that a we're not
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alone 2. We're actually all mirrors from
each other, right? We're actually as someone else
shares, we're actually healing something in ourselves as well.
And there's just such a power and that, and I think that's
just a reminder for everyone to that that is also part of
health, right, is to take care really of your emotional health
as well. And there's so many tools out
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there one way, but there are many, many, many other ways.
Yes, yeah, yeah. Breath work and you know all
those things. Yeah, I just eat EMDR.
This year for the first time, I was kind of in a group setting
and it was like, who wants to volunteer?
And I went up and I just sat down and he was like, what
emotion do you want to release? I was like anger and he's like
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he he basically is like it's with eye movements.
And you have to go back to thosemoments where you felt that
emotion and it slowly becomes less, less and less.
And I had a Columbus after and this woman had no idea what it
did in the morning. And I had a release and she's
like, oh, you just released likehere.
Oh, that's anger. And I was like.
Wow, wow. Yeah.
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Right. So it's just like Joe, it's all
connected. Yeah, all like emotions hold
stuff, right? So the more we can release, it's
like there's just some power in it.
I mean, if you were to ask me what the number one thing is
that causes health issues, it's emotions, so.
Amazing. I'm looking.
Where were you chatting for first?
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That's not like I have so much more I want to talk about.
Hey, maybe let's let's pause here.
We'll keep it on this for now, where we'll find you, OK.
OK. This just means we have to talk
over time. Where can people find you?
Like how do they stay in touch? Also to know when your new book
comes out, Where can they find cancer?
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Hex tells everything. So I have a website that is
Alyssa Goodman, Elissa Goodman. I'm on Instagram, TikTok, mostly
Instagram and in LA, if you livein Lai do have four different
food programs that I deliver every week and we do all the
card food and we also ship bars and granola.
We have a regular super C bar and we have a cacao super C bar.
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So you know, it's all through the website and on Instagram.
I would say mostly. And the book will probably be
coming out potentially on Amazon, you know, at the end of
the year. Cancer Hacks is on Amazon as
well. Great, thank you, you nice to
meet you, love to talking to youand to be we continued.
Hi, I'm Crystal. And I'm Michael, and we're the
founders of Super Plans. If you're ready to improve your
health and live a life you love,hit subscribe and let's get
started. Welcome to the Super Health
podcast. Welcome to the Super Health
podcast, Elisa He. Elisa is a holistic
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nutritionist, best selling author of the book Cancer Hex,
and a detox expert based in LA. After a cancer diagnosis in her
early 30s and losing her husbandto cancer years later, it's
became Elisa's personal mission to heal herself and others.
For her cleanse program, she's helped thousands of people
reclaim their health from the inside out.
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Thank you for joining us today. I'm so excited to talk to you.
You've been through such it's a like a powerful healing journey
and I actually would love to just get started there to tell
us a little. Bit more about, yeah, it's, I
know it's been a long journey. It's a lot.
It's a lot, you know, and we're just talking before we got
jumped on the podcast, like how a lot of stuff needs courage.
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You know, I think just my journey took a lot of courage
that I didn't know I had. So that is the beautiful part of
it. It definitely was not fun.
You know, when I was growing up,I was sick all the time because
I had a low white blood cell count when I was born and no one
knew what to do with that in those days.
You know, it was a many, many, many years ago.
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So I was just constantly gettingsick and just feeling really
tired and behind the 8 ball and just not functioning with my
brain as well as I could have, you know, just eating a lot of
sugar, a lot of carbs to get energy, caffeine, you know, all
of those things. In those days we drink a lot of
soda. We just kind of ate crappy eats
too. And so just emotionally and
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physical, I kind of always felt like, am I ever going to feel
great? That was the bummer.
And my my youth was about, you know, hey, graduate from
college, you work, you try to make as much money as possible,
you know, just climb the corporate ladder.
That was what we were taught to do.
And I did that in my 20s, moved to New York from Arizona, where
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I had grown up. And I did all of that.
Of course, was sick all the timethere, but I was always kind of
investigating little health foodstores or trying to read books
on like what it would take to get healthier and more
energized. And I just felt like I can't
really. I think in my gut I couldn't
live like this forever. And finally I said to my
husband, who was from New York at the time, I said, you know, I
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really want to move West. And he was like thinking, he was
thinking New Jersey and I'm thinking California.
So I'm like no, I'm not going toNew Jersey, but I was like, I
want sunshine and like lower keylife and you know, just less
stress. And we did move to LA from the
minute I moved to Lai got this dream job with Vogue magazine
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and I ended up getting diagnosedwith cancer.
So I got diagnosed with Hodges lymphoma 6 months into the job.
And I was like, like, you know, all of that stuff that I felt
all those years caught up with me and I did.
It was an early stage, which wasreally beautiful.
And the doctors scared the living daylights out of me.
Like they do, you're going to have to do chemo, radiation,
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freeze your eggs, all of those things.
And then I went to this one guy reluctantly after seeing many,
many doctors and he sat me down and he was like, OK, what's
going on in your life? Like are you happy?
Do you love what you do, you know, do you love your husband?
Do you love your job? What's going on in your world?
You sleep, what's your stress like?
Like And I was like, and he alsosaid, do you love yourself?
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And when he said do you love yourself, I was like, no one's
ever asked me that. And they still don't ask that
question today. But I am burst into tears and
I'm like, I don't know what thatfeels like.
I don't love myself. I have major stress.
You know, I'm not sure I love myjob.
I'm not sure I love kept living in California, you know, cuz all
my friends were in New York. I mean, it just was really like
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all this tumultuous turmoil going on constantly.
I was living in fight or flight mode.
And he was like, we got to really get your stress down.
We have to figure out ways that you can learn to love yourself
and also, you know, just really calm your central nervous system
down. And that was 32 years ago that
that guy said that, you know, sowhat's cool is that that
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happened and it changed my life.And I went to therapy and I
jumped into every self help bookand I started doing yoga and I
started walking and hiking, being out in nature just to calm
my nervous system down. And then I started eating really
healthy and started juicing. And I did a little radiation.
I did not do chemo, but I did radiation because my friends and
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family were freaking out that I wasn't going to do any
treatment. So they were not OK with that.
So the radiation did do a numberon my body.
They rated my thyroid, I got hypothyroidism and then I got
Hashimoto's. You know, they rated like my
gut. I got celiac, I mean digestive
issues. I had to deal with that
afterwards but I'm glad I just chose to do half the radiation
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and I was I healed and then I went on to have two girls and
then 11 1/2 years later my husband was diagnosed with non
Hodgkin's lymphoma and his was farther along.
He was he found a lymph node on his neck and he wasn't diagnosed
for six months. So it gotten to a later stage
and he ended up doing 2 bone marrow transplants in a year and
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1/2 he was scared shitless and he died of fungal pneumonia at
46 years old. So it was like 2 parents in the
same household, people also who had cancer.
And then I'm like, oh shit, now what I do with my life.
I just was scared shitless again.
So I was scared when I got the cancer.
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I was scared when he died. And, you know, I was like, I
have to get my act together because I have these two girls,
they're going to feel like they're going to get cancer, you
know, automatically because their parents did.
And cancer is going to scare theliving daylights out of them.
So I went back to school and gotcertified in Eastern and Western
nutrition for the family just, and also for me to get healthy,
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I started getting healthy again.I went back to juicing, eating
healthy. I just went back to, you know,
more self help practices and just learning everything I could
to figure out how I was going tobe strong and healthy and
vibrant and raise these two girls on my own.
So I did in that and I didn't doany of that to become a
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nutritionist or to do what I do,but it just like I loved it so
much and there was all these restaurants in Los Angeles that
hired me to do their food programs for them.
And so I handheld all the peoplewho were on the food program for
a week and I found out they had all these health issues.
And then I started kind of diving in to see how I could
help them individually. And then one thing led, then I
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started doing that. So and then I created my own
food programs 13 years ago and now I do blood work and I twist
trained in functional medicine. So it sort of grew into this
whole business that I am completely obsessed with.
What a journey, it's amazing. Yeah.
It's so inspiring and I think it's, you know what you said,
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it's courage step by step. And I think it's funny because I
also talk to a lot of, you know,like from super health, a lot of
super plans, a lot of customers.I do like one-on-one chats with
them and very really every womanis and every just every person
is on a journey. It's like a health is a journey.
It's not like one straight line.And I think everyone is always
looking for this one quick fix. But I think once you can have
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that, start having that long term vision and understand of
like, OK, this is a journey whatI'm going to be doing the rest
of my life, you know, figuring it out and finding that balance.
Like that's where the magic happens.
It takes just this consistent work, you know, you do fall off
the wagon, but we can easily getback on.
I mean, I just feel like the body is miraculous.
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It can heal from anything. But we don't believe it.
We don't believe we can heal. We don't believe we can really
change our lives, and that's thehardest part of all, yeah.
So true. Hey, so tell me more.
I want to talk about detoxing. It's something I'm also very
passionate about. I think it's and you probably
get this question a lot, right? But it's such a loaded word and
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like a lot of people are like, is it even real?
Detoxing is fake. Like it's just a hype.
It's just a trend. Like what does detoxing mean to
you? And like how like kind of if you
can talk about the program and like how do you detox?
Yeah, I mean, it is cleansing. Detoxing is the loaded word
these days, even more so, you know, and the old days detoxing
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and cleansing was more about starvation, deprivation, you
know, all of that. But I we detox daily.
Our body is naturally doing that, you know, and if it's
working right, you know, everything works properly, it
can easily detox. I mean, first line of defense of
detoxing is going the bathroom and pooping every day.
But then you've talked to peoplewho don't poop for five days and
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you're like, OK, you know, that's, it's as simple as that.
That's the, you know, biggest thing is to get when toxins go
into the system because we're loaded with toxins and we're now
onslaught it with way more toxins than we should be than we
used to be. Like they need to be excreted
out of the body. So for me, detoxing, cleansing
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is so simple really about, you know, pooping every day, making
sure you do that. It's about eating real foods.
Your body knows how to metabolize it and it can be
digested and it can be excreted out of the body.
I mean, getting enough fiber in your diet, none of us do.
Fiber helps move food through the system.
A minimum of 30 to 50 grams of fiber a day and just kind of
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watching your fiber. Everybody watches their protein
and carbs, but they don't reallythink about fiber.
It's really, you know, taking out the inflammatory foods like
a lot of sugars and maybe if gluten does disagree with you,
you know, not eating the gluten and cow dairy can be
inflammatory goat and sheep or better.
I mean, it's, it's just about, you know, really and bad seed
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oil. So taking like as much as we
can, the inflammatory foods away, eating real foods, making
sure the food is digested and moved through the body, making
sure we're pooping and also justmaking sure our gut and our
liver are working properly. You know, a lot, you know,
happens in the gut in terms of digestion and breaking down food
and absorbing nutrients. And our tests need to be, you
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know, hydration needs to happen so for food to be moved through.
And our liver also needs to be in good shape so we can take the
toxins and like turn them into safe form so we can excrete them
out. So that, I mean, it's not rocket
science here that you know, and also it's a bit sleep, sleep we
detox in our sleep, you know. I'll talk about sleep.
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I know, I know you don't sleep yet Sweating.
We we detox with sweating and for it's honest or just sweating
outside in the sun, you know, just doing that skin brushing.
I love for detox, but it's just none of this stuff is like
expensive. It's all cheap, it's all free,
you know, Mostly so true. That's what I where, where does
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the juicing for you come into play?
Because you, you mentioned it a couple of times.
I went back to juicing or went to juicing.
So what role does that play evenin your day-to-day life?
And like, what did you do? I mean, I did, I used to juice
like carrots and beets and you know, you have to peel me off
the ceiling because they have somuch sugar in them.
You know, like talk about like asugar rush.
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But so now, like for the for years now I've just done greens
like cucumber, celery, lemon, ginger and romaine or arugula or
spinach or kale. So I don't do any sugar in my
juices as much as I can. Some of these vegetables have a
little bit of sugar, but I just don't do any fruit.
I don't do carrots or beets. And it's just a liquid idea of
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vitamins and minerals, antioxidants.
Like, it's really beautiful. So that is in the morning most
of the time. And I juiced for years and
years. And now I've just been throwing
them into the blender because it's easier because I want to
get the fiber too. So yeah, I mean, you can easily
juice cucumbers, celery, lemon, ginger, and that's a home run
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for people. And that's not expensive.
Smiling because that's literallywhat I did this morning.
I like it's my go to recipe. It's about it also just tastes
so good. It does.
And it's just like, I don't know, I mean, I love smoothies
and I will I'll go back to smoothies, but it's just like
juicing always hits different and I think it's even nice to
start with that. And even if you do later in the
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day, still smooth, right? Right.
People don't get enough vegetables in their diet
throughout the day, you know, Soit's a really good way to
jumpstart that, you know, I would say with that drink, it's
like 3 to 4 cups of vegetables, you know, So and we really, I
feel we need 8, but that's just my personal opinion.
That's a lot for people. So hey, the word about her and
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then tell us a little bit about because I want to come actually,
well, maybe I'm going to go herefirst.
So you have your juice in the morning sells a little bit of
what are some of your other non negotiable you have throughout
today? Yeah, so I would say like, I see
a lot of people who are dehydrated, like massively
dehydrated because we're drinking coffee and we're taking
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over the counter meds that are synthetic, you know, and we're
eating a ton of animal protein. So it takes a lot of water to
break down that animal protein. So it's very dehydrating.
So I think women need 96 oz, menneed 120.
People don't realize how much hydration we the juice counts
for hydration like a soup, nothing that's caffeinated.
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If it's a herbal tea, that's hydration, you know, So
hydration is key. And most people get like 60 oz.
So I definitely strive for 96 orup to 100 even.
I love a hydrating powder that has like a really nice array of
magnesium, manganese, potassium chloride, zinc C It's called
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Ultima Replenisher. It's not the cleanest like
hydrating powder. None of them are like it does
have a little bit of citric acidand it does have stevia.
I do love stevia, but I dilute it.
I take a scoop and I dilute it into 32 oz and I drink two of
those a day. And my energy's better.
My brain works better, my digestion and, you know, being
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able to go to the bathroom worksbetter.
So that's a non negotiable for me.
And getting the fiber too is a non negotiable, you know, a
minimum of 30 grams and a cup ofberries is 8 1/2 grams.
And you know, I usually throw chia seeds into my water that's
10. And then I always, I do eat
legumes and beans. I eat a little bit of
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everything. So I'm not a strict anything
girl these days. And so white beans, you know, a
half a cup is 9 1/2 grams. So it's easy to strive for the
30. So I'm always, you know, making
sure pumpkin seeds are high in fiber.
I just make sure I get the 30 grams of fiber.
Nice. Dumb.
I would say that I also keep my food otherwise I just am just
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always eating plant forward, youknow, lots of leafy greens and
vegetables. I do make sure I get enough
protein, like 75 to 90 grams forme, you know, and I eat really
clean animal protein because especially at my age 65, like
you need muscle, you know, you need to build muscle, you need
to maintain your skeletal muscle.
It's hard. So protein is key.
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And my blood sugar too, you know, when you go through
menopause, it elevates and you want to make sure you're
balancing your blood sugar And that way, I mean, de stressing.
De stressing is a non negotiablefor me.
I meditate, I journal. I also sit outside in the sun in
the morning for 15 minutes to, you know, recalibrate my system,
raise my cortisol, you know, make sure that, you know, I
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like, recalibrate my melatonin, all of that circadian rhythms.
So yeah. And I walk every day.
So hey. And that's such a powerful,
underestimated thing, walking. I think that's just a reminder
for anyone, this thing, just go outside and go for a walk.
You're here doing two things that you're outside and you're
walking. It's great and it's so simple.
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There's a study that was just done.
Three walks, you know, a day, a week.
Three walks will lower your possibility of getting dementia
by 30%. That's not much three days a
week, right? Oh, it's not and I think it's I
even started doing. I mean, obviously I walk also a
lot of the kids of a stroller, but even just like in the
morning, like it's when like themoment I get up, I like I put on
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just like clothes, my shoes and just go for 20 minute walk by
myself without a stroller. What a concept.
And then I'm like I can breathe and like it's almost like a
walking meditation. It can be as well, right.
So it's just like there's such abeauty, like even leave your
phone and just be outside and observe presents.
Yeah, such a hour in it. There is, there's yeah, Walking
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is crazy beautiful. So yeah, hey, you mentioned
menopause. How has the journey been for
you? I was like, you mean you're
going to have a book about healthy aging.
I'm sure menopause is going to be a big topic in it as well.
I've got so many questions aboutit because you have a lot of
customers going for menopause. I have not experienced it yet.
So I'm like, I'm so curious whathas worked for you and what are
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what have you been learning? I went into menopause and my
husband passed away and I, I was46.
I went right on HRT at 46. My doctor was really advanced.
I went on low dose of estradol, progesterone, testosterone, and
I've never had metabolic symptoms the whole entire time.
So I'm 65 today and I just feel amazing.
I always felt good cognitively, everything worked.
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So I got really lucky. But dealing with clients that's
not so much the case. But I, when I do blood work on
all my clients, I do thorough hormone testing.
I know that blood for the hormones isn't the most accurate
hormone testing. It's really the Dutch test that
tells a lot about how the hormones are functioning, how
you're metabolizing things. But I do get a little picture
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into what's going on just overall.
So in people's, I can see that, you know, their estradiol is too
low or it's too high or they're,there are these two hormones out
of the adrenals that are called DHEA and pregnenolone.
And they're steroid hormones that actually when you're
stressed, they deplete because it's your adrenals, but they
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actually do help. Pregnenolone helps your whole
endocrine system, your thyroid, your adrenals, your estradol,
progesterone, testosterone. DHEA helps your estradiol and
your testosterone, OK, It helps promote it.
It boosts it and helps keep it like, you know what you have
working. So I test all of that in my
younger, you know, women clients.
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And if they're low, we just put them on pregnant alone or DHEA
or both. And it does help them go into
menopause in an easier way because then they don't have
these dives, you know, of estradiol because they're having
something that helps keep it going and boosts it and, you
know, balances it and supports it.
It's wild. It's so easy.
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And then we look, look at their blood sugar, you know, just all
the things that kind of go on that actually maybe force women
into menopausal. Earlier I talked to them about
stress, you know, de stressing in the sleep.
And that also is huge, you know,and just how they feel about
themselves. Yeah.
So. I think it's it's very, I mean,
and it's actually, I think this is for out women's lives, right?
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I think it's actually so important to lean into the rest,
into the feminine, right into the being.
And I think we're living sometimes in such a masculine
world. And I think that creates so much
stress in women that completely messes with her hormones.
So like, in any stage of a women's life, I think that's
even Yeah to menopause. It's like we need to honor also
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who we are as women, actually. Yeah.
I can't know because I have 20 year olds that hormones are way
off, you know, and I also like women who were trying to get
pregnant having fertility issues.
You know, most doctors don't test their thyroid.
And if your thyroid is not functioning, it is hard to get
pregnant these days, you know, So that's part of the endocrine
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system and that's part of like the adrenals getting stressed,
throwing off the thyroid, so. And tell me your book, Healthy
Aging. What?
When is it coming? What can we expect?
Anything you can share already? Yeah, my first book was Cancer
Hacks, which is my story, my husband's story about what we
did right and wrong. The second one is Aging Hacks,
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and it's just my story about what's worked, what hasn't
worked. Because you know, it's really
crazy out there what's happeningin the longevity space and the
aging space and also the health world, right?
Like, I mean, it's like nowadaysyou're like, Oh my God, do I
even enter into this world? Because it is overwhelming with
what's out there and what's offered and what's so much do I
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take and what modalities do I do?
And everybody's talking about a different thing and it's crazy
what's going on. So I just want to like personal
vignettes and personal stories because at my age right now at
65, I feel better than I did in my 20s.
So it's like I feel better mentally, physically,
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cognitively, emotionally. It is so crazy.
I like I'm just stronger, you know, in every way.
So that's my goal for everyone, men and women as they age,
because I'm just don't want to hear from them.
Like I'm not sleeping well. I'm just going to deal with it.
Or I'm like, you know, heavy around the middle and I'm never
going to be able to get rid of that weight.
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I'm just going to have to deal with it or my brain isn't
working properly. You know, it's just, I'm just
getting old. I don't really believe any of
that. You know, everything could be
changed, everything like, you know, if you want to, if you
want to really get to a place where you.
I just had a grandchild. It's so crazy.
And the idea of not being like energetic and vibrant enough to
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be watch this child grow up justfeels awful.
You know, yeah, totally. Hey, I'm looking.
So when is this coming? The book.
It's the end of the year. End of the year, Yeah, that's
exciting. Yeah.
Thank you. I'm excited.
Yeah. Thank you for the work you're
doing. It's like I think it's, it is
right in our own journeys and being able to share that.
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I think there's so much power inthat.
And it's. Yeah, I think I know.
Really it's just, you know, I'vetried a little bit of everything
I like. I'm, I'm an, I'm that type of
person. I'm also an Aries and Aries are
very like motivated and I reallyam not happy if I'm not just out
doing everything and trying everything.
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So it's been, sometimes it drives you crazy and stresses me
out, but it's been a good thing I think for what I do and you
know, being able to like just investigate everything I can and
just to see what is really working for my clients and what
isn't or me, you know, and so I have like first hand personal
experience. So amazing now would love to
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dive a little bit into because Ithink a huge piece of health
right is also our emotional health.
You've been very open about yourplant medicine journey, about
using also mushrooms. What made you go that route and
like what has been your experience been like?
Well, the first time I did ayahuasca a year after my
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husband died because I was kind of a mess and I did, you know, I
was mad at him that he left us. So when I did this journey with
a friend and, you know, it was so powerful because he came to
me right away in the journey. He came and he was like, he was
a big golfer and loved playing golf.
So he came, he was on this beautiful golf course.
He looked massively healthy and happy.
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And I was like, why the fuck didyou leave me?
I can't raise these two girls onmy own.
And he's like, yes, you can. Yes, you can.
I would never have left you if Ididn't think you were strong
enough to do this, you know? And it was so profound.
I was like, OK, I could do this,you know, like that kind of
stuff. And then later on, I got
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insomnia. I stopped sleeping and it was
really horrible. Like the cancer was not even
half as bad as the insomnia because I didn't really know.
I tried everything to try to figure out what was going on and
what it was. At the end of the day, it was in
I was in a relationship that wasnot healthy, which was wild, but
I didn't know that during the soI started doing the mushrooms
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and I started try unloading a lot of trauma that I was
carrying around a ton of stuff that I was really hard on
myself. I saw that I didn't love myself.
I saw that I never gave myself abreak.
You know, it was just and the people around me, I didn't give
a break and it's just I was driving myself into the ground.
So, you know, it did help the sleep a little bit.
It didn't help it to the degree that I would have liked, but you
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know, I definitely my, my healthchanged, my hypothyroidism, my
thyroid went back into alignment, my antibodies went
down, my digestive worked better.
Like I was happier, you know, and overall my relationships
were better. All of that helped.
So it's just been crazy beautiful to like see what your
subconscious is trying to tell you because we don't know.
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We just, we operate 95% out of our subconscious, 5% conscious,
which always blows my mind. I thought it was the other way
around, but we're so subconscious and we're
recirculating these thought patterns in these messages or
these stories we're telling ourselves.
Some of the stories are true andsome aren't true, you know, so
you can go on the on the journeyand be like and see, Oh my God,
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that isn't true. That story that I thought was
true. And you get to release it
viscerally from your body, you know, or you get to release the
trauma viscerally. It's like not just from your
head, it's from your body as well.
And I think that talk therapy isgreat, but you're just never
being able to release it, you know, from your body.
And I think that's what we stuffit all down in our body and it's
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just a beautiful thing to release it.
It's not easy to do the plant medicine.
Sometimes you get into very darkplaces and it's scary.
Definitely. I will not say it's been like
hunky Dory home run and like just happy at times I'm, you
know, just crawled up in a ball and crying and being like, my
God, can I get through this? But you can.
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You do get through it. You can.
It's 100% I think it never givesyou anything that you cannot
handle in my experience. Like it like it's almost like
builds up and it's like, OK, yougot stronger again.
And I think there's yeah the theI think everyone has completed
their own journeys, right? And you always get what you
need. And in what I've also
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experienced, sometimes you do itand then you're like 3 months
later, you look back on your life like 3 months and you're
like, everything changed. And it's just like, it's
incredible because you can even I've had like my first, if I
look at my first journey. So I was like, I didn't even, I
didn't even feel like anything really happened in the journey.
If someone asked me about it, I didn't really know.
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But then like 3 months later, I looked back and I'm like, like I
moved. My lifelong eczema just actually
went away. And like, it's just that I was
just like, Donna, this is like just kind of major.
Yeah, yeah, I know. You're right, you're right.
I mean, I do wish it was legal. That's the bummer.
You know, it's illegal. I've tried a lot of different
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things that ketamine as well, you know, I don't know, if I
were to choose one, it would be the psilocybin that's been game
changer for me. So an MDMA is also beautiful.
A lot of the shamans here and the doctors do MDMA and
psilocybin together. That's pretty powerful.
So, you know, it's not legal. So it gets a little tricky to
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talk about and to also recommendto people, but it has, it has
been around forever and Michael Paul has.
Been around forever. Well, you can go out to the
jungle in Peru. I think that's true to South
America. Very normal there.
And you know what else I've beendoing lately is because I did a
lot of the mushrooms and I've been doing cacao ceremonies.
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So cacao from Peru. That's, you know, and a heart
opener. And if you don't want to
experience a psychedelic part that comes along with some of
these plant medicines, cacao doesn't have that, and that is
exceptional too. Hey, and I think there it comes
down to something which is I think the power of I am or the
power of cacao. It's the ceremonial setting,
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right? So there is something I think
about gathering and I think I'm actually hosting a women's
circle tonight, right. But there is something about
just coming together in a circlein ceremony, yes, and right with
the intention of, and this can be cacao, right and drinking.
It's just there is something that happens.
There is a magic that happens and we realized that a we're not
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alone 2. We're actually all mirrors from
each other, right? We're actually as someone else
shares, we're actually healing something in ourselves as well.
And there's just such a power and that, and I think that's
just a reminder for everyone to that that is also part of
health, right, is to take care really of your emotional health
as well. And there's so many tools out
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there one way, but there are many, many, many other ways.
Yes, yeah, yeah. Breath work and you know all
those things. Yeah, I just eat EMDR.
This year for the first time, I was kind of in a group setting
and it was like, who wants to volunteer?
And I went up and I just sat down and he was like, what
emotion do you want to release? I was like anger and he's like
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he he basically is like it's with eye movements.
And you have to go back to thosemoments where you felt that
emotion and it slowly becomes less, less and less.
And I had a Columbus after and this woman had no idea what it
did in the morning. And I had a release and she's
like, oh, you just released likehere.
Oh, that's anger. And I was like.
Wow, wow. Yeah.
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Right. So it's just like Joe, it's all
connected. Yeah, all like emotions hold
stuff, right? So the more we can release, it's
like there's just some power in it.
I mean, if you were to ask me what the number one thing is
that causes health issues, it's emotions, so.
Amazing. I'm looking.
Where were you chatting for first?
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That's not like I have so much more I want to talk about.
Hey, maybe let's let's pause here.
We'll keep it on this for now, where we'll find you, OK.
OK. This just means we have to talk
over time. Where can people find you?
Like how do they stay in touch? Also to know when your new book
comes out, Where can they find cancer?
(30:49):
Hex tells everything. So I have a website that is
Alyssa Goodman, Elissa Goodman. I'm on Instagram, TikTok, mostly
Instagram and in LA, if you livein Lai do have four different
food programs that I deliver every week and we do all the
card food and we also ship bars and granola.
We have a regular super C bar and we have a cacao super C bar.
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So you know, it's all through the website and on Instagram.
I would say mostly. And the book will probably be
coming out potentially on Amazon, you know, at the end of
the year. Cancer Hacks is on Amazon as
well. Great, thank you, you nice to
meet you, love to talking to youand to be we continued.
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