The Buzz: Truck Driver Appreciation Week

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Hey, Kevin L. Jackson, how you doing?
I am so happy to be back.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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We miss you, too.
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show teed up here today.
We're going to get a quickupdate on the big proposed rail merger.
Hey, it's Truck Driver AppAppreciation Week.
We're going to be celebratingour truckers and share some of their

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views.
We're going to be talkingabout the extended freight market
slump and its impact all thatmuch, much more.
And in about 10 minutes or so,as I had mentioned, we're going to
be welcoming a special gueston the Buzz here today, Kevin Lawton
with the new warehouse.
We're going to get Kevin'sinsights on the cool things, very
cool things going on in thewarehouse space.
Kevin L. Jackson, it should bea terrific edition of THE Buzz, huh?

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, you always learnthings on THE Buzz, especially when
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Oh, no.
That high level math kind ofgets me.
You got the 1, 2, 3.

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No, I've seen you in.
You're doing quantum math andI'm barely working my abacus over
here.
All right.
And hey, really quick, hey,Jerry Levy, fellow Atlantan.
I can't remember what part ofAtlanta you are, but always grateful
to have you stop by.
Let us know what you thinkabout these stories we're about to
hit.
Okay, so Kevin, three things.
Let's see.
I promise, three things.
Number one, I got a snapshotof Kevin L. Jackson in his backyard.

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So we're gonna check out ourlatest edition of what that Said,
which published over the weekend.
We let off with some big news.
The largest rail industrylabor union, well, it's come out
in opposition to the bigproposed merger between Union Pacific
and Norfolk Southern.
So stick with me here, Kevin,as I walk us through this story.
One more.
So the union, which is namedSmart Transportation Division, says

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they have big concerns withthe safety practices and workforce
environment at Union Pacificin particular.
Now we're going to see justhow big of an obstacle this will
be when it comes to the USFederal government's potential approval
of the merger, which may takeas long as another year and a half
or so.
Now, we also touched on the EV market.
Kevin, do you have an electricvehicle yet or a hybrid?
No, I've driven them.
A lot of my friends, they'renot too cool on the electric vehicles,

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so I just keep watching.
Good.
Well, you're foreshadowing alittle bit here.
And by the way, folks, Trishis dropping the link to what that
said right there in the comments.
We also touched on the EVmarket in the newsletter, so it seems
like it's going gangbusterseverywhere else across the Globe
except the U.S. kevin, getthis number.
Bloomberg NEF is reportingthat the EV hybrid sales alone will

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be up 25% globally in 2025over last year's numbers, 25%.
But the U.S. recent data,second quarter 2025 EV sales showed
a 6.3% decline in year overyear numbers.
One of the issues there.
I mean, China is reallydriving the market with two electric

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vehicles.
And they have, I guess, done alot of subsidies in order to reduce
the price in order to drive up.
And back in China, a lot of EVcompanies are going out of business
because they can't make any money.
So it's like, you know, you'regetting more sales, but the companies
aren't making any money.

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I don't know.
You raise great questions andgreat things to consider.
And speaking of companies notmaking money, Rivian.
And so Rivian just recentlyhad, I think, two profitable quarters
over the last two years, I believe.
But they've been reallylooking, trying to figure out how
to make a profit on eachvehicle they make.
Right.
Look at this, Kevin.
A lot of things have changedsince Rivian, the EV manufacturer,

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announced a really big Georgia factory.
They announced it back in 2022.
Initially, it was supposed tobe operational by the end of 2024.
So a little bit of a delay.
Few things have changed lastcouple years, but Rivian has announced
that they're resuming thebuild out of this massive Georgia
factory this week.
They had the governor out thisweek cutting tape again.

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That's good, Kevin.
7,500 jobs have been promised.
This will be a massive win ifit comes to fruition for the state
of Georgia as well as thewhole region, much like the Kia plant
that went in some 20 years ago.
Okay.
Also, Pascal, you make a great point.
Not a surprise going back tothose EV sales numbers with the change
in tax credits and thedisruption in crucial components

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that are used in ev.
That's right, Pascal, greatcall out.
Come on back.
Love having you here.
All right, so, Kevin, one last point.
So again, we were talkingabout our newsletter with that said,
which is an almost weekly newsletter.
A little bit of flexibilitythere for us, but it's jam packed
with these stories, more newsresources, live events, you name

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it.
Kevin, did you get a chancebeyond the EV stuff, did you get
a chance to take a read?
What'd you see?
Well, actually, I did.
And the thing that sort ofjumped out at me, I mean, you had
it in the small print aboutthe stockpiling of stuff around the
country.
You know, it kind offoreshadows the fact that the whole

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world is trying to get on awar front.
And before you go to war, thevery first thing you do is you stockpile
all your critical materialthat you need.
This is what happened beforeWorld War I.
This is what happened beforeWorld War II.
I hope this is not anindicator me.
Well, that makes two of us.
And you're right.
According to various data, Ithink the one we pointed out in the

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newsletter came from the WallStreet Journal and it was powered
by GEP data.
We're see the some of thestrongest stockpiling of the inventory
in I want to say 30 monthsmaybe was the time frame, Kevin.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I mean, China's already saidthat they're going to.
Their military has been taskedto be ready to take over Taiwan by

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2027.
That's not a long.
You know, and the US militaryand allies are really ramping up
to expect that.
What they say, you know,believe them when they tell you what
they're going to do.
You know what?
Yes.
We're hoping cooler headsprevail and there's a diplomatic
solution there.
But Kevin, you're right.
We're going to see what plays out.

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There's been lots and lots of.
Of not just lip service.
Yeah.
And threats, but of course amassive military buildup.
We'll touch on that here injust a second.
But first, Kevin, we want toencourage people to check out with
that said.
Right.
Trisha dropped the link right there.
We love feedback.
It's a blessing.
So y' all keep it coming.
Secondly, Kevin, I want toshare a big event.
Right?
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I worked with them for reallyshows last year how they are looking
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the importance ofcommunications and logistics.
Yes, Kevin, that's high praisebecause you're a very demanding,
demanding customer.
Let's see here.
We're going to.
We're about to bring on Kevin.
Before I prompt and get you totell us where you've been, we're
going to bring Kevin Lawton onin just a second.
But Scotty and the crew alwaysput on a great show.
Hey, we appreciate that.
Duluth fly.

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And I think they love thereMr. Jackson.
Okay, okay.
I got a new friend.
Yeah, we do have a new friend there.
We're going to.
We're gonna invite them backevery week.
Okay.
Before we ask and find outwhere Kevin L. Jackson's been, I
want to go ahead and bring inan incredible guest here today.
We're all excited about havingfor probably, I think Kevin's joined
us two or three times now onsupply chain now.

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First time on the Buzz.
So Kevin Lawton has been doingbig things in the warehousing and
overall supply chain space for years.
He's an educator, a nationalkeynote speaker and entrepreneur,
and a whole bunch more.
Kevin founded the NewWarehouse podcast, which is fast
approaching 650 episodes.
He also serves as adjunctprofessor at Rider University, home
of the Bronx.
I love Kevin's workoutindustry, and you're going to enjoy

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his perspective here today.
Please join me in welcomingKevin Lawton with the New Warehouse.
Hey.
Hey, Kevin.
How are you doing?
Hey, guys, how are you?
Wonderful.
Wonderful.
All right, so Kevin Lawton andKevin L. Jackson, we're going to
try to keep it really straighthere today.
Team Kevin.
Team Kevin strong today.
Yes.

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We need to cut somewarehousing, some wrestling promos
or something.
All right, let's do this.
I want to do the fun warm up question.
We're going to talk food a minute.
Then we're going to solve themystery of where Kevin L. Jackson
has been for the last few months.
And then we got a bunch ofstories to get to.
So let's do this fun warm upquestion, folks.
It's Butterscotch Cinnamon Pie Day.
Yuck.
It is Greenpeace Day, becausetoday the organization was founded

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back in 1971, so that's cool.
And it is National DoubleCheeseburger Day, which evidently
is September 15th every single year.
So I'm going to ask you allboth this.
Start with you, Kevin Lawton.
Where do you get the absolutebest burger around?
And do you happen to have asecret ingredient that you drop on
top?
Ooh, that's a good question.
First, I'll say it's interesting.

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Double Cheeseburger Day.
So that lends me to believethat there's also a single Two excuses
in the year to go get cheeseburger.
But no, I think that I'm a fanof Smashburger.
Okay.
I gotta say, for one,definitely like Smash Burger.
But I also hear in New Jersey,there's some times where I just get
a craving for a good burgerjust made at a diner.

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Yeah, I like that.
Definitely.
There's a little bit of adifferent taste I find there, so
I like that.
But interesting toppings.
No, I don't really putanything interesting on there.
I like pickles.
I'm pretty simple guy pickles, ketchup.
That's it.
That's about it.
Sometimes I might do maybesome fried onions or something like
that to pick it up a little bit.
Yeah, I like it.
I like how you think.
Kevin Lawton, Kinder Spirits here.

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Kevin L. Jackson.
How about you?
Where do you get the best burger?
And do you have a secretingredient drop on them?
Well, you know, I really likethe Five Guys burgers.
Okay.
And, you know, you.
You put that, I guess, here.
Maybe it's a regional thing,but you put the old bay seasoning
on it, man.
That's right there.
And then some bread and butter pickles.

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Bread and butter pickles.
Oh, bread.
All right.
I don't really go for dill.
Relish is okay.
But it's those bread andbutter pickles that really Chef's
kiss yesterday.
Oh, I love it.
Well, Trish is also a big fanof Five Guys, so y' all have that
in common.
And I think a great burger.

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But I gotta tell you, Kevinand Kevin, it's not exactly a burger,
but it's probably what I getmost regularly.
And that's the good old pattymelt on wheat at Waffle House.
And load that thing with extra pickles.
And if you say extra picklesof Waffle House, you got to be careful.
They'll bring you the whole jar.
And Tabasco pickles.
Those famous Waffle Housethin, thin sliced, you know, restaurant

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pickles.
So nothing too special.
Rachel is also on Team Breadand Butter.
Hey, Jerry makes a good point.
You guys are suggesting the$15 burgers, but what's the best
fast food burger for usworking class?
Hey, Jerry, we're all in that bucket.
Let's think about that, andlet's answer that in just a second.

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But Jerry says steak andshake, double cheese for working
class folks.
I'm with you, Jerry.
I love that.
And you, if you noticed minewas a Waffle House plate.
You can get in and out ofthere for less than 15 bucks.
Okay, let's solve a mystery.
Really quick before we get tosome of the news of the day.
I bet me and Kevin Lawton bothhave acquiring minds.
Kevin L. Jackson, you usuallyjoin us, what, third Monday of each

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month?
Third Monday of every month, yeah.
So you've missed a few, butyou've been working on some really
cool projects.
Give us a highlight or twofrom what you can share.
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I want to keep myaudience around.
So as a lot of you know, I doa lot of work in space and we launch
a system called Philomena onwith the rogue space that's in orbit

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right now and doing some postquantum resistant encryption for
cubesats.
And, and actually we are goingto be doing some More launches in
26 to Leo and 27 to Geo.
So it's been very, verysuccessful project.
But here on my terrestrialwork, so to speak, we've been doing

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some covert communications forunmanned vehicles.
So it's October.
No, no, it's September.
So in August I was up inMichigan, up on Lake Huron, the beautiful
Lake Huron in the, I guess thelower Peninsula, Alpena, where we
were putting our communicationsolution on USVs, little unmanned

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boats with the Navy.
We actually designed it to goon UAVs as well.
Okay.
And that was in July.
And then in August I wentnorth to Alaska and we were up in
the Yukon training area up byFairbanks, out in the boonies, on
top of mountains and down invalleys and doing a lot of COVID

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communication testing aboutadvanced technologies called Smart
Beam.
So I was, I was hard.
I enjoyed it though.
It was fun.
And, you know, so KevinLawton, you and I probably talk.
I know you're in and out of abunch of warehouse facilities.
I'm sure you see lots and lotsof autonomous vehicles, but autonomous
boats that have nationalsecurity implications.

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That's pretty cool stuff.
Kevin Lawton, huh?
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Cool.
That's very, very interesting.
And I think it'd beinteresting to see how that, that
kind of comes out.
I mean, it sounds like maybeit's a little secretive.
I'm not sure.
But, but I think there's a lotof, a lot of potential there for,
for industry as well, too, potentially.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, so we're gonna geta whole full scoop next time.
Kevin L. Jackson joins us.

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But we got a lot of news toget into here today.
Kevin Lawton and Kevin L.Jackson, Team Jackson.
Let's see here.
I want to start with this.
This is, this is somethingreally important, folks, because
we're in the midst of truckdriver apprecia September 14th through
the 20th.
This year, very special week.
We celebrate each and every year.
I think we're close to 40years when this has been a formal

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week set aside.
Big thanks to our friends overthe American trucking associations
for the work they do on behalfof our industry.
So get this, there's lots ofgreat data here.
3.6 million truck drivers.
72.7.
Almost 73 in terms of thepercentage of the nation's freight
delivered by trucks.
I think that's by weightcritical critical jobs these professionals
do.
So check this out.

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From Danny Guthrie over at thetrucker comes this interesting perspective.
Looks like conversioninteractive agency CIA interesting.
And PDA surveyed over 1300truck drivers a few months back.
And here are some interesting findings.
It's a competitive market outthere as almost 47% of drivers are
currently seeking new job opportunities.

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Now of those seeking new jobs.
Right.
So of that 47%, Kevin andKevin, check out these stats here.
70% are looking for more timeat home.
Understandable.
Almost 65% are looking formore predictable pay.
As we all know, a lot of theirweekly pays based on, you know, how
many miles.
Right.
They hook and take.
It's where they go.
That's right.
Over 42% are looking foraccess to better equipment.

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And over 30%.
This is my least favoritefactoid of all.
Over 30% of drivers arelooking for new opportunities because
they report feelingdisrespected at their current job.
So Kevin, weigh in what yourthoughts there as it relates to the
survey or the driverecosystem, you name it, which discount.
My apologies.

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Yeah, I mean it's really,really interesting.
I mean, and I think it'stelling of kind of, you know, what
people are just looking for in.
In jobs in general.
And I think there's been a lotof, you know, change in that and
what people are looking for.
Like you mentioned theflexibility and you know, better
predictive pay and things like that.
I think people are looking fora little bit more of that and it's
becoming more and moreimportant, especially as we see more

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newer kind of jobs rise upfrom different technology type of
platforms that allow people tohave that flexibility and maybe a
little more predictive pay as well.
But yeah, I mean, I think it'sreally, really interesting.
And the disrespect thing Ithink really stands out.
And you know, coming from thewarehouse side as I do.
Right.
I mean there is kind of, youknow, these moments where truckers

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and the shippers kind of butt heads.
Right.
So I can see that beingdefinitely a thing that is very reasonable
and gets to a certain pointfor people where it's just kind of
like, I don't want to.
I don't want to deal with thisanymore and this difficulty.
Yeah.
You know, Kevin, I'm with you.
That respect thing, I mean,who raise your hand if you just accept
being disrespected as part ofyour daily work.

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That's an awful, awful mindsetthing to hear about.
That's exhausting.
It is.
Kevin L. Jackson, yourthoughts on what we're seeing in
the.
In the truck driver space?
Well, actually, I'd beinterested to understand what percentage
those truckers are looking fornew opportunities outside of being
a trucker, you know, with theuse of autonomous vehicles, with

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the disrespect, obviously, youknow, are they looking for greener
pastures on the other side?
That would be interesting.
And it would really hurt oureconomy if the truckers decide to
say, you know, goodbye.
Right.
So true.
I mean, imagine all of thefreight that would stop moving, all
the added lead time we would need.
It'd be.
It'd be devastating.

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And we're going to touch onthe freight economy.
Economy in just a second.
Jerry, you're on fire today.
You're asking a question thatI do not know.
But I do know, folks, littledistinction, because Jerry's asking
what is the typical salary forlocal P and D drivers who get to
go home every night?
Pnd, meaning pickup and delivery.
A lot of times these drivers are.
Are you going to say metroAtlanta or a certain portion of metro
Atlanta, make a bunch of stopsand then they make it home each and

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every night?
As Jerry's pointing out, Iinterviewed a few folks from Southeastern
Freight lines a few years agothat 2P&D drivers, which had some
really cool stories.
So, folks, I'm gonna throwthat over to Trisha and Amanda.
If y' all can find any salarydata for P and D drivers, that'd
be terrific.
Kevin, I'm give you the last.
When you get out to all thewarehouses you visit, I love watching
your visits out in themarkets, whether it's events or facilities

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or whatever.
You ever get a chance tointeract with some professional truck
drivers those visits?
No.
But being, you know, formerwarehouse manager, plan manager myself,
certainly have had those interactions.
Right.
And.
And I think it's.
There's a lot of differentperspectives on the way people view
that relationship.
Some people, you know, theywant to be a shipper of choice.
Right.
And that means that you're.

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You're accommodating to thoseThose truck drivers as well.
And some people, you know,they look at the truck driver as
just like the bane of theirexistence in a sense.
Right.
And there's a horrible.
There's definitely like afriction there.
And I think that, you know,some of that comes from.
From both sides.
Some.
Some truckers are, you know,not as great, just like some shippers
are not as great.
Right.
So, you know, they tend tomaybe these truckers a little bit

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like, you know, can I use your bathroom?
No, no, no.
Like, bathrooms aren't fortruckers or anybody outside.
Right.
Of the organization.
And some of that is security, safety.
Right.
But.
But the companies that I'veseen that have really like set up
spaces for the truckers andgiven them some resources as they're
waiting for loads, like, theysee benefits from that.
It may not be like financiallytangible in a sense, but having that

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better relationship, you know,allows that trucker to be a little
more flexible with you or that carrier.
Maybe they're going to, youknow, come after because you built
that relationship with themand been a little better.
But.
But yeah, too often than notI, I do see where, you know, people
are like, ah, truckers, like,need them but, you know, don't necessarily
want them in a sense.

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Man, excellent perspective.
And we got to do better.
We got to do better.
And you know, at least thisonce a year, week set aside, hopefully
it calls attention to theprofessional truck driver experience
and journey.
So let's act on professional.
That's what you know how to emphasize.
They are professionals.
Yes.
Well said, well said.
All right, so a couple quickthings before we shift over to the
freight economy.
Number one, folks, check outthis survey.

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It's from a couple months back.
You'll enjoy and it'llenlighten you a bit on the professional
truck driver journey, some ofthe motivations that they have.
So check that out.
Secondly, Jerry, going back toyour question about PND driver compensation,
Amanda found really quick somedata from ZipRecruiter that shows
25 to $30 an hour, whichequates to about 60 to 70k annually.

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That sounds low to me, but shealso mentions a ton of factors that
influence those rates.
One final thing, Kevin.
And Kevin, I tell you, I lovemy interactions with truck drivers
and I've had a bunch of them.
I was just at King Plow inWest Atlanta.
Well, I guess this, this islast year.
So not just this was lastyear, but King Plow was being used
for a TV shot.
And of course you gotHollywood supply chain, you got a
bunch of trucks out therethat's delivering props, all this

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stuff.
And there was a truck drivernamed la and he had a big rig and
he had to finagle that thingin Atlanta.
Traffic, you know, perfectlyland at the dock door.
And Kevin, and Kevin, it wouldhave took me 27 turns moving forward
and back.
Yeah, around with his eyes shut.
And it was perfectly matchedto that dock.

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It is amazing.
Professional.
Yeah, yeah, right.
100% away.
It's great to see you backwith us via LinkedIn.
Let us know what you're up to.
Give us your take on thetopics we're talking about.
Let's shift over, Kevin andKevin to talking about some tougher
news.
Well, even tougher news maybeon the freight economy.
The freight economy.
So Paul Berger and the WallStreet Journal recently published

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this article on the three yearslump that the free market has been
in.
So they report on the closureof TGS Transportation, which was
a California based companywith a fleet of 150 trucks and a
40 year track record.
Unfortunately, TGS joined oneof many other companies that closed
up shop earlier this summer.
Peter Schneider, the son ofthe founder at tgs said, quote, we

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were running more efficientlythan we'd ever run as a company by
far and we still couldn't make it.
End quote.
Three years of low freightpricing amid rising costs have many
industry analysts concernedabout how many other companies could
follow TGS and cease operations.
Many operators were hopingthat rates would improve here in
2025, but that hasn't happenedas DAT Freight analytics reporting

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shows that rates have remainedlargely steady at those pre pandemic
levels before that bonanza, orfreight bonanza, if y' all recall,
during the pandemic.
Some analysts point to thatthere's still way too many trucks
in the road chasing afterdemand that hasn't really seen that
much of a pop.
So, Kevin Lawton, there's alot of factors here.
Y' all folks go check out the article.
But Kevin, your thoughts interms of what we're seeing in the

(24:49):
overall freight economy right now?
Yeah, I think it's interestingthe last point that you touched on
there where you know, therewas kind of this, this boom in the,
in the market, right.
And now there's some analysissaying there's, there's just too
many trucks on the road.
Right.
There's too much capacity tomeet the demand.
And, and it's very kind ofrunning parallel to what I see even
from the warehouse perspectiveof real estate and spaces.

(25:11):
Right.
There was a lot of boom too aswell during the pandemic.
I mean just supply chainoverall as a whole.
And, and now there's a lot ofempty space that people bought based
on that boom or developedbased on that boom, and now it's
not there.
So I think, you know, findingthe balance is, is hard, you know,
maybe tying it back to theprevious story, right.
If truckers are leaving, youknow, does that, you know, take away

(25:33):
some of that capacitypotentially and does that level out,
even out the market a littlebit and, you know, how does that
kind of tie in together?
I think it'd be veryinteresting to see over the next
couple years here.
Well said.
Kevin Lawton.
Kevin L. Jackson, your thought?
Well, unfortunately, I'm goingto be a Debbie Downer here because
you look at the financialenvironment, the unemployment is

(25:56):
seems to be going up with allthe reductions or modifications of
the reports that, you know,the slowdown or recession is on the
horizon and the world isturning its back on globalization.
So none of that bodes well forthe trucking industry here in the

(26:18):
United States.
So no salaries are stagnant.
They're not going up.
So I think there are going tobe more truck transportation companies
that are going to have to findother things to do.
The market is not going to begoing going up.
Just too many trucks on theroad and you add the automation to

(26:40):
that automation of both thewarehouses and of.
Vehicles, hey, it's not Debbiedown at all.
We're keeping it real, right?
We're talking about the concerns.
Every business leader isprobably trying to read the tea leaves
and manage and plan through.
Folks, y' all, check out thisread a couple of points I want to
call out beyond what Kevin andKevin have already shared.
So, you know, California is aunique state to do business in and

(27:03):
so that we should call that out.
But secondly, Kevin, to yourpoint, you know, I don't know the
latest tariff monies that wereraised, but when I read that, I think
it was over 30 bait orsomething, something ridiculous.
When I read that, it was likegreat, but at what cost?
Is the question that came tomy mind.
And at what cost?
KEVIN L. Jackson, Kind of goodwhat you're sharing.
Exactly.
Employment, US companies arepaying that 30 billion, right?

(27:24):
That's right.
Well, true, and many consumers too.
But employment, housing,market, some other troubling economic
data that we're seeing.
It all leads me to this weekwe may get an interest rate cut.
Some folks are expecting threeinterest rate cuts by the end of
the year.
We shall see.
We shall see.
But troubling storms.
All right, so Kevin Lawton,give you the final word on.

(27:46):
Give us some good news.
Kevin Lawton, before we shiftover into a really cool story on
oranges and AI.
Yeah, please give me some good news.
Some good news.
Let's see.
I think the good news is thatthere is a lot of new things happening
in the supply chain space right.
As we see these, thesechallenges, right?

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And I think, as Dustin saidhere in the comments, right, There's
a lot of winning to be done ina down market.
Shout out to Dustin.
I know him.
And you know, I think thechallenges, though, spur these new
innovations and newtechnologies and then ultimately
transform the way we, we dothings, which I think can lend itself
to.
Tie it back to that truckersurvey, lend itself to, to more flexibility,

(28:27):
more comfort in, in workspacesand, and just better ways to do things
overall.
So I think that's good news.
It is great news.
It is great news.
And I'm glad Dustin's herebecause it' true.
We can't sit around and mopeabout it because as Dustin says,
there's a lot of winning to bedone in a down market.
Those that can endure and evenadvance will be market leaders of
tomorrow.
Very poetic there.

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Very nice.
T squared, who holds down FortForce on YouTube says saturation
and contraction are really atplay with trucking.
And also, he adds, the cost oftariffs will always be paid on the
backs of the pressed consumer.
More folks in that consumer.
That's.
That's right.
And awes.
Great question.
There is, as most would agree,there's been an ongoing driver shortage

(29:10):
for quite some time.
Although there's somecounterintuitive voices out there
that may make a different case.
Okay, we're gonna make a hardleft turn or right turn or whatever.
Kevin.
And Kevin, let's.
Let's talk about AI and oranges.
More bad news.
This is bad news, but you know it.

(29:32):
As Kevin Lawton suggested, itopens up some innovation and some
opportunities.
So, folks, as reported by FoodDive, citrus greening began hitting
Florida crops over 20 years ago.
Now, you may have heard ofcitrus greening, but what I bet you
haven't heard is the degree ofthe destruction.
Because this disease hasinfected most of Florida's orange
trees and has caused countlessbillions of dollars of damage.

(29:55):
Get this.
US long ago was responsiblefor 45% of the world's orange supply,
almost half of the world'sorange supply.
That number is all the waydown at just 5%.
Output in Florida alone hasdeclined over 90% since 2005, due
largely to citrus greening.
Hurricanes have had a big Deal too.
But citrus greening has beenthe primary culprit.

(30:17):
Now here's the good news.
Kevin L. Jackson and KevinLawton and Elias and T Squared and,
and everyone else.
The Coca Cola Company whichmakes Minute Maid orange juice is
out to save the day with akeen eye on leveraging AI in terms
of how to do it.
The beverage giant is afounding member of the MIT Generative
AI Impact Consortium whoseprimary goal is utilize AI to address

(30:39):
real world problems in amanner that helps global society.
Love that.
Yeah.
The consortium's first majorproject is this one.
Save the Orange.
I love.
Hey, something.
Right.
We'll get more details on how,but so far, Kevin L. Jackson, Kevin

(31:01):
Lawton, no word yet on howsister screening impacts the Tang
industry.
Used to be a big tank drinkerwhen I was a kid.
All right, so Kevin Lawton, Ilove I picked this story because
I think, think the degree ofdestruction is just much worse than

(31:21):
I had thought.
And then secondly, I lovegroups getting together to find practical
and innovative ways ofapplying technology.
As they say, for the good ofglobal society.
Your thoughts, Kevin Long?
Yeah, absolutely.
And yeah, I definitely was notaware of that massive decline in
the orange supply out there.
I mean, and I love good orangejuice, especially fresh.

(31:42):
That's right, squeezed orange juice.
Beautiful.
But yeah, I think that, youknow, going back to kind of what
I was saying about good news, right.
I mean I think, you know,these, these challenges in, in a
sense allow us to beinnovative and figure out how can
we do this right.
And I think that's kind oflike naturally what we do is as humans,
when we're, you know, back isagainst the wall and we don't have
that glass of orange juice, wegotta, we gotta solve that problem,

(32:03):
right?
We gotta figure it out.
And I think it'd be reallyinteresting to see how they apply
AI to be able to help andnavigate this issue and try and overcome
some of these things.
Because I can't imagine aworld without oranges.
Oh man.
No way.
It's heartbreaking.
And you know, I'm reallyinterested as a non technologist
to dive into the how to.
My hunch is that I've seensome other sustainability driven

(32:26):
AI genetics work being done todevelop a stronger less.
Yeah, we'll see if that plays in.
Kevin L. Jackson, you are,you're one of the global go tos when
it comes to technology and allthings cool technology.
What'd you think about whenyou read the story?
Well, you know, well, mytechnology didn't come to mind.
That's unusual.

(32:47):
To be honest.
But what did come to mind was,does this mean that we're going to
need all these truckers totake all the California orange trees
to Florida, right?
To replant, man, you know, soyou're saying, so you're saying there's
opportunities despite the downcycle there.
It's going to be a theme heretoday, Kevin, Is that what you're
saying?

(33:07):
Yeah, as opportunities.
I mean, California is knownfor their orange trees as well.
That's right.
That's right.
The citrus agriculture ingeneral out along the West Coast.
But we're going to see.
Kevin, any.
Let me ask you this.
Any.
When it comes to the how.
Any guesses, any guesses thatyou're thinking of there, Kevin?
Well, actually, AI is usedquite broadly to create new compounds

(33:33):
and new drugs.
So you could actually and todesign, genetically modify, you know,
the oranges to be resistant tothis disease.
But you know, when we startedgenetically modifying our meat, some
people, some countries stoppedimporting the beef, for instance.

(33:54):
But that may be the path forward.
Trade offs.
I'm really curious to see moredetails and see the progress we're
making.
And by the way, shout outKevin and Kevin to the team up at
MIT for pulling together likethe Justice League for all things
AI.
I'm looking forward to a bunchof wins.
Right?
I. I am.
I love that.
Okay, folks, we're droppingthe link.

(34:14):
Trisha's right there on it.
We're dropping link to allthese stories in the chat here today,
y' all check them out, let usknow what you are thinking.
T squared says that's using AIas a tool and not a crutch.
Hashtag cola.
Well said.
That's right.
Pascal, man.
Pascal's bringing it heretoday too.
Yeah, orange blight that is inFlorida would infect the California
trees too.
The answer might be indeveloping blight resistant trees.

(34:37):
I agree with Kevin.
Hey, if Pascal agrees withyou, that means you're saying the
right things.
Is my hunch he left the S on there.
Awkward.
You're gonna agree one, Kevin,you gotta agree with the other.
Maybe we need some orangetrees that can grow in New Jersey.
Yes, that's what I said.
Yeah, yeah, man.
All right.
And then Jonathan says, getthis, my father was a truck driver

(34:57):
for over, over 40 years.
And what I've learned is thatthey receive appreciation like any
other honest worker.
Yes.
It kind of goes against theobservation we had from earlier,
but I love that.
And I bet, man, I betJonathan's father has some stories.
Oh my.
We appreciate his father.
Definitely no no doubt, no doubt.
Jonathan.
Big, big high five and hug foryour father that played such a critical

(35:20):
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Okay, Kevin Lawton, me sir andKevin L. Jackson woke up this morning

(36:01):
with an extra level of curiosity.
And for some reason we woke upwanting to talk all things warehousing
and we couldn't think of abetter person in the world to bring
on the buzz to talk about it.
So I want to ask you, KevinLawton, what are a couple of warehouse
trends that you're mostintrigued with right now?
Yeah, absolutely.
And I appreciate you having meon to talk about this.
I think one thing that'sdefinitely intriguing to me right

(36:23):
now and I'm seeing a lot popup are some of these smaller kind
of in between solutions thatare solving little parts of the problems
in the warehouse but tyinginto the larger part.
And I think that's reallyinteresting because we saw such a
shift towards like how can weautomate or how can we make these

(36:43):
larger solutions like pickingor something address with robotics
and things like that over thelast several years now.
But, but a lot of people arecoming in with these.
I think of it almost as likewe look at our smartphone, whether
it's Android or Apple, say I'man Android guy myself, but.

(37:03):
We learned that lesson.
But I think of it as kind oflike almost like the App Store in
a sense where people aredeveloping these small software solutions
that are addressing issueslike cartonization or leveraging
AI to do more efficient pickpaths and things like that, going
beyond these kind of coreproducts, core solutions that we

(37:25):
traditionally have had in thewarehouse and being these little
add ons or tack ons that aremaking it very easy to excel and
be more efficient and getthose gains without making huge overhauls
to their systems.
And I think that's one trendthat's been standing out to me for
probably the past year, maybetwo years or so.
That More of these littlethings are coming into play and they're
making big differences withoutnecessarily a huge lift by the operation

(37:48):
to do that, which I think isreally be important to, to get some
traction.
Kevin, I love that it remindsme of, and y' all help me find the
term non invasive surgery kindof speaking of non invasive automation,
right.
Not disruptive to the overalloperation or the facility, what have
you, but it comes with reallybig outcomes.
Kevin Lawton, do I have that right?

(38:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, Yeah.
I think that's, you know, theone thing in my beginning of my career
came in and, and it was almostimmediately into a, like a WMS upgrade.
And I was just likeflabbergasted how long it took everything
that was so involved in it.
But to your point, like theselittle solutions now that are coming,
that are deployed in a coupleweeks, maybe if that long.

(38:30):
Right.
And making gains right awaywithout a huge shift in change management
and culture and the way we dooperations and processes, I think
are really driving a lot ofefficiency gains for a lot of operations
out there now.
Well said.
Kevin L. Jackson.
You seen the same.
Yeah.
So one of the things I'veseen, everyone, many people, you

(38:50):
know, say AI is doomsayer, right?
Just bringing a bad thing,getting rid of all the humans in
business.
But I've seen just the opposite.
Companies that leverage AIwith humans actually accelerate their
innovation loop.
They can see what's happeningfaster, they can make observations,

(39:11):
make decisions and change andenhance processes much faster when
the humans are working withthe AI.
So the company's warehousesespecially, actually become leaders
because they become moreinnovative in how they are managing
the processes and they'reredesigning the processes to provide

(39:32):
more value to their supplychain partners.
You know, generally speaking,we talked about this last week, Kevin
and Kevin, when I was atchange new ASCM's reinvigorated conference,
it was a great event, by the way.
But one of the common themeswe talked about is the need right
now, with a massive sense ofurgency for business leaders and

(39:53):
supply chain leaders to figureout how, especially using AI and
other technologies, removingthe pain and the friction and the
manual stuff that get in theway of people's day, the workforce's
day.
The workforce already has aton of anxiety, whether it's economic
anxiety or anxiety about, youknow, technology transformation or
you name it.
Right.
Fill in the blank, man.
That is a great way.

(40:14):
Starting with what gives, whatbrings friction by the truckload
to your workforce is a greatstarting point to figure out where
to leverage technology.
Kevin Lawton, for Sake oftime, I want to circle back.
What other warehousing trendhas really been front center on your
radar too?
Yeah, I think the, themovement towards, you know, we've
seen a lot in robotics and automation.

(40:34):
I'm sure we've all seen videosand things like that on online and
for a long time I think thatthey were focused mostly on, on larger
corporations.
Right.
And it seemed unattainable forsmall to medium sized businesses.
And I've seen more solutionscoming out startups or existing robotics
automation companies to beable to address that small to medium
sized market.

(40:54):
And that could be throughunique pricing models.
It could be for solutions thatare leveraging ex infrastructure
already.
Like there's a couplecompanies out there that have just
come up recently that areleveraging existing racking and then
attaching their robotics andautomation to that existing racking.
So examples like that I thinkare really interesting because I

(41:15):
think that is a signal thatwe're getting to a tipping point
where we're going to seefurther penetration of that into
like these smaller mediumsized businesses that you know, now
it's digestible and now it'salso more actionable as we just kind
of talked about in previousconversation, to be able to move
kind of quickly because youknow you'll get an Amazon, they,

(41:37):
they got time and money toplay around a little bit and test.
Right.
But you know the, the mid sizecompany that's doing shipping, they
don't necessarily have likethat, that resource or that time
to do some R and D and play around.
They need something that'sgoing to come in and is going to
be effective and then overtime is going to gain them some efficiency
as well.
So seeing a lot of that and alot of focus on kind of, of simplicity

(41:58):
in that sense and how do weleverage maybe some things that are
already existing in a facilityinstead of, you know, having to go
full on greenfield and be ableto make a better implementation process
in there.
Kevin same we just had aconversation last week or two about
brownfield sites andoptimizing what you got rather than
sinking billions or billionsof dollars in new infrastructure.

(42:19):
And the other thing Kevin L.Jackson he mentioned there, which
I love, is a continueddemocratization of technology and
the wherewithal so that thesmall can do what the bigs have been
doing forever.
Kevin o' Jackson what'd youhear there?
Price points are coming down.
That is always good.
You know, we're getting awayfrom the bleeding edge when it comes
to automation, artificialintelligence and the fusion of advanced

(42:42):
IT into these business Processes.
You know, used to talk a lotabout the old school industries really
not adopting technology fast enough.
That's changing, but that has changed.
And I think part of it is the pandemic.
People stop being afraid ofleveraging technology.

(43:03):
Kevin I love that and Ibelieve that too.
I think, you know, one of myfavorite signals coming out of the
pandemic.
Kevin and Kevin well, we're,we're hosting a panel event.
This is four years ago or so,and supply chain executive was talking
about expense reports for theteam members.
And she was describing how fordecades they had this really convoluted
process that made a lot of thepenny counters happy.

(43:25):
But it was a tremendous burdenon the team and they would take hours
out of, you know, out of theirweeks whenever they had to submit
expense report.
And she talked about how theyjust made a simple change which made
life easier and met all theregulatory, you know, accounting
stuff that made life easierfor the team members.
And there the leadership teamwas talking, man, why don't we make
this change years ago, Right?

(43:46):
Goes to your point.
Kevin L. Jackson they just did it.
All right.
We're going to move fast andfurious here.
And I added this question justfor Team Kevin because this is Yalls
intersect.
We got the warehouse guru andthe technology guru.
Not that we haven't talkedabout technology so far today, but
what is one new tech in thenew warehouse?
Kevin Lawton what's one usecase that's hit your radar, maybe

(44:08):
part of your site visits whenit comes to new tech and the new
warehousing scene?
Yeah, I think one that kind ofaligns a lot of what we've been talking
about here in the last coupleminutes is certainly computer vision.
I think computer vision isreally kind of having a moment in
the warehouse housing industry.
And I think because it hits ona lot of those points that we talked

(44:28):
about.
Right.
A lot of companies are comingeither with simplistic type of computer
vision add ons for existingequipment or they're leveraging existing
cameras that are already inthe facility.
But that's giving them a hugeadditional perspective and also capturing
so much more data than theyhad previously to get more real time

(44:48):
and more understanding of whatis actually happening.
That could be from, you know,inventory control, auditing perspective,
could be from a loadperspective, could be from safety
perspective seen as well.
And I think that is atechnology that's really ramping
up and I think that it's veryaccessible to as well and hits a

(45:09):
lot of those points that wetalked about before.
Yeah, well said.
Kevin and it's generating tonsand tons of more data.
More data rich by the hour.
Kevin L. Jackson what you hear there.
My friend, I have to agreewith computer vision because when
you see that data and you areaware of how easy it is to collect
and observe that data, thenthe art of the possible becomes much

(45:33):
more viable and you can getbuy in from the executive much faster
because they can see it themselves.
It's tangible.
So the use of computer vision,the direct linkage to your shop floor,
business processes, thewarehouse floor, and feedback from
the workers and the departmentheads that say, hey, this is really

(45:57):
good stuff.
I think that's important.
Yeah, I think it's poweringboth of your perspectives there.
And the art of not just thepossible, but the art of, of what's
happening.
Art of reality.
Maybe it's now, right?
We got to explore more.
Really excited about this nextgeneration nuclear movement and looking
forward to seeing how we canbring that more.

(46:18):
So not only can we fuel morepower that we need to advance innovation,
but also do it in a cleaner,innovative way.
We'll see.
We can't dive into it heretoday, but stay tuned on that.
Okay, couple quick commentsbefore we get a check in on what's
going on at the new warehouse.
T squared.
Talking about Rudy again.
Rudy from the Jetsons.
You know, one button makes it happen.
The first super main YouTube.

(46:39):
Great to see you asking aboutwhat they can do and what they can
study to get into this industry.
Hold that question for just a minute.
We're going to try to get to it.
And Nasir talks about we gotto get people educated on AI and
be with those two tools.
He they're saying, hey, let'sstudy it before we use it.
Kind of in, in so many wordsof what Nasir is sharing.
That's an interesting point,Nasser, and great to have you here.
I appreciate you sharing.

(46:59):
Okay, Kevin Lawton, you havebeen busy.
I want to make sure folks,speaking of getting educated and
informed and learned up thenew warehouse.
It's fast approaching 650 episodes.
You'll be there probably, youknow, weeks or so.
Folks, you can find the newwarehouse on wherever you get your
podcast.
Kevin, what's the latest and greatest?
What's new that's exciting youabout the journey you're on at the

(47:19):
new warehouse?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I think, you know, allthe conversations I get to have are
always exciting because I'msuper passionate about this space.
But, you know, I thinkrecently we've put a real focus on
getting some voices from theend user the shipper to be on the
podcast as well.
And, and we're trying to, werelease two episodes a week, so Monday

(47:40):
and Wednesday of our normal podcast.
And, and we've been trying tobalance that with getting one end
user, one solution provider oneach week.
And I think that's been reallyinsightful and it's really interesting
to hear from both perspectives.
And it's really interesting tohear like what are people actually
doing in their operations?
What are they actually lookingat and hearing like some projects

(48:01):
and stories that they've gonethrough and kind of their journeys
as well.
So that's probably what'sreally exciting me right now.
Yeah.
Love it.
Kevin Lawton.
And folks, it's must see, mustsee content.
You can check out newwarehouse where you, your podcast
and warehouses are indeed sexy.
Almost as sexy as Kevin L. Jackson.

(48:22):
Thank you, I appreciate that.
So you get the billion dollarwrap up question before we make sure
folks and I connect with y'all both.
Kevin L. Jackson, what's onepoint of all the goodness that Kevin
Lawton has brought here today?
What's one key takeaway you'dwant, you'd suggest to folks keep
front and center?
Well, first of all, howwarehouses are changing, how supply

(48:42):
chain is changing, howtechnology is really affecting, you
know, what we think about whenwe think about, you know, logistics.
So one of the things that I'vebeen working on, I know I haven't
been on the show, but you'regoing to be hearing quite soon.
Okay.
About a company I've beenworking with called Space Phoenix

(49:03):
System.
Ask the team to share thatlink because it's blending logistics
and supply chain to the lowEarth orbit economy.
They call themselves in factthe FedEx of low earth orbit.
Oh, that's cool.
We're gonna, we're gonna haveto dive in and invest an episode

(49:25):
here.
Kevin Long.
I need to hear more about that.
Yeah, Think about, about thepossibilities here we are of logistics
and space.
If you want to learn moreabout that, you can follow me on
LinkedIn.
And right here on Supply chainnow with Digital Transformers.
That's right, space hyphen phoenix.com.

(49:46):
check it out folks.
Also, Trisha, it's dropping.
Make sure you find subscribeto Spot, you know, wherever you get
your podcast.
And Kevin leads me to askingyou the final question.
Question.
How can folks connect with youand the new warehouse that's on the
move?
Yeah, absolutely.
This week actually I will beon the move a lot.
Actually.
I'm flying to, flying to Vegastonight for The Shapiro AI and logistics

(50:10):
event, which I'm super excited about.
They're gonna have I left mymoney hands on activities.
Okay.
If I find you, I will double.
Down the BET machine on theright hand side as you go down the
strip, please.
We'll look out for that.
So excited for that.
Gonna get some, some hands onAI learning there, I think, which
would be pretty cool.
And then going over to IntroLogistics Wednesday night in Miami

(50:33):
to do a speaking session on,on Thursday about warehouse innovation.
And then gonna head to Chicagofor Friday to check out.
Speaking of computer vision,check out Arvist's new experience
center they have there.
So, yeah, been a little crazythis week, Kevin.
Hang on a second.
Kevin Lawton.
I don't move as fast as bothof y', all, but I've been tracking
my math here.

(50:54):
New Jersey to Vegas, to Miami,to Chicago.
We're stopping in here on thebuzz all in one week.
Kevin Lawton.
Yeah, I think I'm gonnaleverage the low earth orbit.
Yes.
Hearing all of your keytakeaways from what sounds like a

(51:14):
great week out in industry.
And folks, you can find againthe new warehouse out wherever you
podcast.
And we're also going to drop alink to the new warehouse, which
we already have it right here.
How about that?
Trisha is on the money.
The new warehouse.
You can go learn more aboutall the cool things Kevin's up to.
And Kevin L. Jackson, reallyappreciate you stopping in.
We're gonna get you back onyour regular cadence.

(51:35):
Yes, please.
You're all about space, supplychain and many other things that
the technology guru is up to.
So big thanks to Kevin L.Jackson for being here today.
I'm happy as excited.
Meeting happy world of supplychain just excites me, man.
Well, you know what, that'swhy you fit in so well.
Amazing what supply chain does.
And folks, you can find Kevinl. Jackson on LinkedIn right there,

(51:58):
one click away.
You can find Kevin Lawtonright there on LinkedIn.
You can follow up, Follow whatall the cool things are doing.
Big thanks to Kevin Lawtonwith new warehouse.
Kevin, we need to have youlike Kevin L. Jackson here.
Make it a, a regularappearance and a regular cadence.
You gain team.
Sure.
Yeah, you got, you got my email.
Let me know.
Always team Kevin.
Yes, folks, big thanks to aman and Trisha behind the scenes.

(52:22):
They had a lot to keep up withhere today.
No, we couldn't hiteverybody's comment and question,
but really appreciate youbeing here.
The smartest audience and allglobal supply chain.
But you got homework, folks.
You got to take one thing thatTeam Kevin shared here today.
Just one thing.
Share it with your team.
Do something with it.
It's all about deeds, not words.
That's the name of the game.
And with that said, folks,have a great week ahead.
Head thank a trucker, highfive a trucker, you name it.

(52:43):
They are incredible peopledoing incredible professional work.
And with all that said, onbehalf of the entire Supply Chain
now, team Scott Luden,challenge you do good, get forward,
be the change that's needed.
We'll see you next time rightback here on Supply Chain Now.
Thanks, everybody.
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