October 18, 2024 • 30 mins
Join us for this week's Digital Transformers episode of The Buzz, as we explore the intersection of real-world assets and blockchain technology in supply chain.
In this episode, host Kevin L. Jackson welcomes special guest Dr. Chris Smithmyer, CEO of Black Wallet Ltd to the show, and they delve into the transformative potential of tokenization in the supply chain sector.
Listen in as the conversation continues and covers:
- How integrating digital assets with real-world assets can enhance transparency, reduce costs, and ultimately reshape supply chain management
- Blockchain technology and how it allows for real-time tracking of goods, minimizing losses and improving accountability
- The shift towards a digital supply network requires businesses to adapt to new technologies and processes
- The rise of AI and big data analytics is transforming how businesses manage physical assets.
Check out this Digital Transformers edition of The Buzz, and embrace a forward-looking perspective on how companies can leverage these advancements to not only enhance their operational capabilities but also to secure a competitive edge in the global marketplace.
Additional Links & Resources:
- Connect with Dr. Chris Smithmyer: www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-smithmyer
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- The Rise of the Digital Supply Network: https://bit.ly/4eG5YjD
- The road to Industry 5.0 is your data and AI: https://bit.ly/4855rFo
- VeChain Partners with Boston Consulting Group to Drive Trillions in Real-world Asset Integration: https://bit.ly/3ZYwtwl
- The Crypto Frontier: Innovation, Utility, and the Future Potential of Leading Cryptocurrencies: https://bit.ly/3Yq8lSd
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happen right here on supplychain now.
Well, hello, everyone. It'sKevin Jackson from Digital Transformers.
Welcome to the Buzz DigitalTransformers edition. As you know,
this is normally a livestream, but this edition has been
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pre recorded. So today's newsis really centered around the intersection
of our virtual and physicalworlds as it applies to supply chain
digital assets and real worldassets. So when I was talking to
Scott about doing all this,his eyes sort of glazed over and
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looked like he was going tohave a bad day. So we stuffed him
in the closet. So Scott isback there banging right now, and
we have control. So for thisedition, I've brought in a heavyweight
leader in this merger of realworld and virtual world. Doctor Chris
Smith Meyer, the CEO of BlackWallet Limited. Hey, Chris, how you
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doing?
Hey, thanks for having me, Kevin.
First of all, that is sobeautiful behind you there. Some
people may say that's virtual.Where are you?
This is actually out in theyard right now. We have beautiful
central Pennsylvania fall. Theleaves are turning. And actually
had some nice weather today.So came out here where we could have
a nice little chat.
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No, thank you very much. Butbefore we get into the news, can
you tell me a little bit aboutwhat is black wallet and what do
you do?
Okay, well, black wallet is astablecoin 2.0 ecosystem management
company. And we do a lot ofhigh value 5 million plus tokenizations
that salivator pitch that Iput out there to people. And like
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you said, with Scott's eyesglazing over, that usually gets me
out of the conversation, if Ican get out of it. One of the things
when we first got into cryptothat we realized is that if you start
looking at the US dollar, itsa dependent variable. So its not
stable. It moves around. Itdoes stuff. Thats the reason why
we have money markets. And wesaid, where can we get stability?
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And the answer was in realworld assets by using a mass scale
project. And a lot of peoplehave started to look into this now.
Weve been doing it for aboutfour years now. We were one of the
first ones to come in. A lotof people are referencing us in their
white papers because of how webrought this to the field. And we
werent even the progenitors.There were people before us, too,
but we took it to thestablecoin level and now were bringing
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it into tokenomics to helpbring advanced tokenomics to the
field where were not justgiving people a meme coin and saying,
hey, attach it to an asset,were saying, hey, you need to have
a custodian, you need to havea tokenizer, and you need to have
an owner. And that creates anethical system where you can trust
the assets that yourereceiving and were really working
to bring trust into the systemand build a better crypto verse for
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everybody.
Wow, this seems reallyimportant, especially if you're dealing
with things in your supplychain. People are always wondering
about where's my stuff?
Yeah, that's one of the thingswe really push for is because if
you buy a government bond or abill or something like that, you're
basing it off of the desire ofthe government to pay you back, which
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means you hear the statementfull faith and credit. Full faith
and credit. Its basicallyyoure giving the government a loan
and hoping they pay you back.Whereas whenever you deal with real
world tokenization, whetheryoure tokenizing a commodity, whether
youre tokenizing a property ora company, that ownership, that valuable
document, the title, the deed,whatever it is, is put into custody
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with a third party and thatthird party guarantees that it is
there. Whereas the UnitedStates government cant say the money
is there until they write youthe check. You can always go on chain
and make sure that yourproperty in a real world asset backed
system is there. And thatreally takes away that zero trust
system where you just trustwhatever the bank tells you, where
you can actually prove whatyou're being told by a tokenizer.
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And that's one of the thingsthat's really going to open this
world up because you don'thave to have faith to have credit
anymore. Now you just have tohave assets.
Wow. So I think this is one ofthe things that our friends at Deloitte
wanted to highlight in arecent article that they released
on the rise of the digitalsupply network. The fact that supply
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chain is really about trackingthe transfer of real world assets
from one owner to anotherowner. And these are traditionally
linear in nature with discreteprogression of like design, plan,
source. This has made supplychains sort of rigid and staged.
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But now with virtual assetsand real world assets coming into
the fore, you need to be moredynamic and more interconnected.
So this article, Deloittecalled this a digital supply network
which integrate informationfrom many different sources and locations
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to drive the physical act ofproduction and distribution. And
this is important becauseyou're actually doing supply chain
management in the virtualworld. So these can really lead to
a, as they put it, a virtualcollapse in the supply chain. But
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most importantly, you have tosupport certain characteristics in
your supply chain. You have toalways be on and agile, need to be
connected to the supplycommunity. I always like to call
it your supply mesh. You haveto be really intelligent about where
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your goods are going, wherethey're being sourced and where they're
being delivered. And you haveto have end to end transparency across
the entire supply chain sothat you can support holistic decision
making. So in your work, whatdoes the supply chain and the digital
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supply network, how does thatrelate to real world assets?
I think it's really important,whenever you look at that, one of
the most common things you'regoing to hear from the fudsters that
are attacking the digitalasset world is if it's not your key,
because it's not your wallet.And that's really a really weird,
it's a nice littlecatchphrase, but realistically, can
you walk into your bank rightnow and take all your money out and
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just not tell anybody youdon't have the keys to the bank?
So one of the things that youlook at with supply chain is if you
don't know where your productis, do you really own it? And if
you don't have that bill oflading or that receipt, do you really
own it? And there is apossibility of the supply chain infrastructure
as we know it starting tocollapse a little bit and change
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the very rapidly in how itoperates. Because as you know, the
supply chain boils down toBill of lady. Where I get a piece
of paper to a transporter, thetransporter takes it, gives it to
the person, and whenever theyget the whatever they get that piece
of paper, it gets the moneygets sent back to me. That's what
it is. It's just a whole bunchof those in a row. What the digital
world lets you do is it allowsyou to make this process simple,
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that it is on chain, everybodycan see the document, you don't have
to trade it between hands. Andwhere it really shines, where it
really helps society, is as wemove into the world, where drop shipping
is more important, andbreaking down parcels into smaller
things that are shippedinternationally to go to residential
addresses becomes complicated.Because if you have one bill of lading,
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that means that whenever youbreak it down, you have to create
a new bill of lading, and newbills of lading to send it to peoples
houses. And you have thousandsof pieces of paper that everybody
has to keep track of. And ifyou lose track of it, you open yourself
up to a loss. Whereas with avirtual bill of lading, with a tokenized
asset, you can go on theblockchain, see it. If it's divisible,
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it can be broken down intopieces and seen where it's getting
shipped and what wallets it'sgoing to. And this can all be seen
on the blockchain, whetherit's through a permissionless or
a permission system. So if youwant it to be private, it can be
private. If you want it to bepublic, it can be public. And that
way there's no question wherethe goods are, who has them and even
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whether the person at the endreceived them. Because as we know,
that's a major loss leader forAmazon and companies where people
say they just didn't get theirpackage when they actually got it
and just won another one. Sothe digitization of it, Deloitte
is absolutely right. It isgoing to change the face of the world
and it's going to change itfor the better because we're going
to get more products deliveredwhere they're supposed to go and
we're going to cut out a lotof that extra fat in the middle.
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But if I'm dealing in howsupply chains are now and I've made
a big investment in tools andtechnologies and software, will this
cause me to now have toreinvest and buy new tools and to
link with things likeblockchain and these real world asset
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organizations? What does thatmean to me personally?
It shouldn't. It shouldactually save you a lot of money
because right now your biggestcosts are going to be paper or accounting
to manage the amount ofdocuments that you're dealing with.
Because as much as it costs toship goods, the transfer of documents
back and forth with work hoursfor people reviewing those documents,
dealing with those documentsis much higher. And whenever we start
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taking those costs away, it'sactually going to save money. Now,
whatever you said aboutinvesting in the process for scanning
in or recording, for doing allthat, doing all the basic work that
human beings and computersneed to work together on, it becomes
really effective because thecomputers you have, as long as you
bought computers within thelast five years, can run the portals
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to the blockchain. Thescanners that you hold in your hand
can send the data to theblockchain. They might need their
software updated, but thatsystem, it's not a high demand system.
It's not a system that's goingto require you to go out and buy
an IBM supercomputer all ittakes is the ability to access the
block. And you can do thatwith something as simple as a cell
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phone. So it should reducecosts for companies around the world,
even the ones that are reallyvested in the supply chain. The only
people that it's going to hurtis mcas or that are used to going
through all that paper becausethey're not going to get their hours
for it.
Well, I think this is sort ofborne out in the second article that
we looked at this week whereit talked about Vechain, who partnered
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with Boston Consulting Group,and they're looking at driving trillions,
trillions of dollars in realworld asset integration. I mean,
Boston Consulting Group is oneof the largest global consulting
firms in the world. And theysaid that they expect the market
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for tokenized assets to hit$16 trillion. And in doing that,
they put in place a strategicrelationship with Vechain. According
to the bank of America report,tokenization will really transform
the existing financialinfrastructure. It reduces costs
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and optimizes the supply chainto increase efficiencies. And this
partnership includes nameslike Walmart, PwC, DNV, and BMW.
So they're taking the BMW andtokenizing its entire supply chain.
And this is leading to asignificant reduction in carbon emissions
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in agriculture andstrengthening our food supply chains.
So, Chris, this is a bigthing, it seems, as real world assets.
Yeah, I mean, its the biggestthing we know because its the world
were on. Everything in theworld can be tokenized. And when
youre looking at this, youvegot to applaud companies that are
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stepping forward in doing thisbecause you mentioned agriculture.
One of the big assets oftokenizing the real world assets
and agriculture is you justsaw the salmonella outbreak with
eggs.
Yes.
Billions and billions of eggsare being recalled. Most people dont
know about it. Theyve gotsalmonella. What are we going to
do with them? If you have thatsupply chain tokenized the whole
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way from the chicken to thepoint of sale, you can have it set
up where you know which batchof eggs went to which factory, which
ones were infected, and thenwhenever it comes to buying them
from Walmart or your localgrocery store, when that SKU is scanned,
because you know where thosecame from, people get those receipts
emailed to them or texted tothem. You could actually text people,
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please bring your eggs back.They may have been contaminated because
you know where they went fromand you know if they were or not.
It doesn't just save money, itcan save lives. And that is one of
the big reasons that we'repushing it the different groups that
are working on it. We workwith Solana, we work with constellation.
And the major blockchains areseeing the advantage for this, and
they're seeing how if theyallow themselves to integrate, it
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can become even moreeffective. And I think in the next
couple of years, you're goingto see more and more companies coming
out and doing this, notbecause it the cheapest thing to
do, which it is, but becauseit's the right thing to do, because
they can protect themselvesand they can protect their customers.
And this is going to open alot of doors, especially in medical,
pharma, agriculturalindustries, because if you can trace
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product from point of creationto point of sale, we can get, like,
the opioid crisis of the last15 years. We could have kept that
off the market because wewould have known exactly where those
drugs were.
Yeah, well, Walmart, I mean,they are a giant when it comes to
managing, you know, thousandsof supply chains from, well, maybe
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millions of supply chains fromtens of thousands of suppliers. So
does that mean that they'regoing to actually push this down
to their suppliers? Withrespect to this tokenization of real
world assets, I really believeit will.
Walmart is known for makingits suppliers do what it's told.
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Basically, if you make aproduct, if you make Kevin flakes.
Yeah.
And you want to sell them toWalmart, Walmart will sell them for
you. But the deal that theycut with you is if we buy a bunch
of them and then they don'tsell, you have to buy the product
back. I mean, they'll put someon clearance, but they don't want
to clear their wholeinventory. They don't lose money
on stuff. And they do this bymaking people's supply chains more
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efficient. This doesn'treally. Like, when this first started
back in the nineties and I wasin grad school, and I remember them
saying, walmart's evil. It'sdoing this horrible thing. And then
we find out that now oursupply chain is 100 times more efficient
than it was back then, a lotof it, because of technological innovation.
But whenever companies likeWalmart do that, it really can help
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encourage a small farmer,because Walmart doesn't just say,
hey, farmer, start recordingyour props. It says, hey, farmer.
We will give you this systemto help record your crops. So with
the farmer, like, there's a,there's a bar. And that's why I'm
looking off to the, righthere, that if they went to my neighbor
and said, hey, we can help youwith this, it doesn't push the burden
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down onto that farmer. Itactually helps the big companies,
help the little companies getthese products out there. So big
groups like Walmart, wheneverthey do it, like a lot of people
attack the big they're reallydoing it to help supply system, which
means they're going to helpthe little guys too. Wow.
So this is really critical.And I think it's actually driving
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multiple industries, not justselling the eggs and chicken. But
this is highlighted in thethird article that we saw in Techradar
this week. And they weretalking about industry 5.0 and how
important data has become asartificial intelligence is sort of
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driving everything. And theyhighlighted that many industries
are really relying on thesephysical assets, from construction
to manufacturing, energy,utilities. And they're still trying
to realize the benefits ofindustry 4.0. But the data that they're
getting today is helping thembuild to industry 5.0. And this fifth
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industrial revolution isreally going to be the foundation
of it is digitalization andimplementation of digital transformation.
Things like you'd mentioned,these connected devices like your
smartphones and your POSsystems and data analytics as long
and the automation of theseprocess driven activities and these
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digital elements of actuallyhow companies are going to the next
step. And they're usingartificial intelligence to integrate
this data from physical assetsto unlock new avenues for supply
chain innovation andvariation. And that for businesses
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that actually manage thesephysical assets, this will optimize
capital allocation and managerisk and drive more precise data
driven business decisions. Andthis calling it now industrial AI
can provide a competitive edgeby helping companies prioritize these
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high impact investments, adaptto changing regulatory and market
conditions, and really aligntheir business with sustainability.
So making and saving theearth. So this real world, you know,
asset stuff is drivingimprovements in our ecosystem. This
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is also part of your strategythere, Chris?
Yeah, most definitely.Whenever you start looking at the
way industry 5.0 is buildingout, and it's really cool because
industry 1.0 was theindustrial revolution. That was a
cotton gin. That was a couplehundred years ago, and it's only
moved to industry five, whichis the big data system. Well, if
you look at the web system, westarted with ARPANET back in the
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1960s and now were already inweb three and weve already got the
door open to web four thatwere looking at and theyre starting
to align. Its so amazing howthe industry is starting to align
because every moment in theworld today, because of these cell
phones that we hold in ourhands, were producing more information
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than was created last year. Sowe're just, the phones are receiving
so much more information. Thatdata that's being used for rescue
stuff, the pictures, thevideo, the voice recognition, your
Google assistant that'srecording a lot of your data, like,
so whenever you ask questions,they can answer you. This data is
going out there and it's goinginto the cloud, and there is so much
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big data out there. And theproblem was, five years ago, we had
no way to analyze it. Peopleput it into spreadsheets, and you
had thousands of people readover it. Now you can take that big
data and you can run itthrough an AI processor and have
readable sheets of therelevant data based on what youre
searching for. And as we moveinto this more block matrix technology,
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moving like advancing theblockchain, advancing the big data
concept, and integrating AIinto the actual fabric of the Internet,
were going to have the abilityto access this data. And industrially,
it is amazing. It is such theway that we can improve our industrial
processes here in the UnitedStates are amazing. But where it
really steps out is the amountof medical data we create each year
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is doubling. We can put thatinformation into the AI, too, and
we can start finding thingsthat link cancers together. We can
find things that starttracking diseases around the world
that are causing problems, andthe AI can do it, and they can see
the things that humans miss,because if you have five AI's working
on something, you can seehundreds of thousands of people's
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worth of work. Now, it's nevergoing to eliminate the human factor
because there are things thatwe can make transactions on that
computers can't because wehave intuition. But whenever it comes
down to raw, crunchingnumbers, I'll take an AI over the
MIT math lab every day,because it can do it faster and more
efficiently. Now, if I want totake something that takes an innovative
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leap or needs to createsomething new, those guys from MIT
or those guys from Dartmouth,those are going to be the guys I
call. But on a regular day today basis, AI's are going to get
rid of that data job that'smaking people go blind around the
world.
Wow. I think you're scaring alot of people saying that now AI
is going to take over everyindustry, and really, the big brother
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or the big sister is AI inyour supply chain? And it could be
scary, because the fourth andlast article is really about, they
sort of describe this as thecrypto frontier. And when you hear
crypto, the only thing peoplethink of is bitcoin. And all of the
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scams that cryptocurrency sortof has become, you know, sort of
front of mind, they scared ofit. But this crypto frontier is really
changing. It's drivinginnovation and utility. This is from
our friends over at UCW E andtalking about how blockchain adoption
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is accelerating, how digitalassets, the role that they're playing
in the global economy, fromtransforming traditional industries
to opening up new marketsthrough asset tokenization. And that
basically said thatcryptocurrency is bright. And, you
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know, talking about this bigbrother, big sister, they talk about
oracles over the network andthey're saying how ethereum on the
blockchain is really making itmuch easier to build what's known
as decentralized apps, orDapps, to foster innovation across
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finance, gaming and supplychains. They talk about Cardano,
who has really beendistinguished by the research that
they've done and that they'vebeen focused on security, sustainability
and scalability through pointof sale systems. And Chainlink, which
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is really a leadingdecentralized oracle network. And
you say, well, what is anoracle? Well, this is a decentralized
capability that enables thecreation of hybrid smart contracts
on the blockchain, where onchain code and off chain infrastructure
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are combined to support theseDapps as they react in real time
to real world events. And thisis really crucial for like insurance
and supply chains andfinances. And one important note
is a major or leading oraclethat's working today to support supply
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chains is the Pkunovasnetwork, where they use proof of
time consensus mechanisms withhundreds of active nodes around the
world that work independentlyfor security and immutability. They
drive over 110,000transactions per second. And in healthcare,
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they're ensuring dataprotection and compliance with strict
regulatory standards. Infinance, they're allowing for the
digital representation ofreal, real world assets like real
estate, commodities andintellectual property. And in an
industrial world, inindustries like manufacturing and
logistics, Pikunovas hasenhanced supply chain management
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that enables real timetracking of goods while ensuring
data security and integrity.So this is not the future, is it?
It's now, and it's been here.
And you brought up a goodpoint that people are, they tend
to be afraid of change. Andyou mentioned Big Brother, like,
yes, what I described, it doessound like big Brother. Until we
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add the last piece. The greatthing that differentiates web three
and four from what was therepreviously is the individual's ownership
of their own data. Andwhenever they were writing 1984 and
whenever people were gettingscared about big Brother and talking
about like communism and wherewe're going to have ministries of
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truth and fact checkers andstuff like that, that came true.
We were just about 20 yearsslow. I mean, we saw the fact checkers
on Facebook and Twitter wherethey said, man dies because car wrecked,
and like, then it pops up.This may be false because the man
died, but he could have diedfrom a thousand things between when
he drove off the bridge beforeit hit the water. And it's like,
is that a fact checker or isthat just beyond? And whenever you
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own your own data, though, itgives you the access for two things.
One, it is the ability tocontrol your own data, how it's used,
who has access to it, and whatit can be used. That's a really powerful
thing. And that's really, ifyou get back the whole way to the
Bill of Rights and theDeclaration of Independence, the
life, liberty and happiness,the person's papers that they are
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protected in, that's yourdata. The founding fathers, there
weren't even computers. Thereweren't anything like that. But they
said in your data, the stuffyou created, you have a right to
privacy. And it's just takenus 250 years next year, right, about
250 years to get this right towhere we can provide that digitally
and protect people with somuch to gain. The second piece that
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makes it even better is thatyou can monetize your data in web.
Two, Facebook took your dataand gave you a free social media
price to waste your life on, right?
Right.
Now, you can monetize thatdata, you can sell that data, and
you can get paid back by thecompanies that are using that data,
because when you have thepower to control your data, you can
also have the power to shutthat data off. And that gives the
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power to the individual, thatgives the power to the Kevin Jacksons
of the world, to the ChrisSmith Myers of the world, and lets
them have a say in what theyredoing with it. So cryptocurrency,
I believe it is the future. Atleast I hope it is the future, as
I own a cryptocurrencycompany. So I hope its the future.
But as we move away from thenation state, telling you what money
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you have and how you can useit to you having the ability to monetize
yourself and monetize yourinformation to gain money, it gives
the people all around theworld the ability to have a voice.
And how they use that voice isreally up to them. That's not something
that those of us sittingbehind a computer or sitting behind
a camera can control. But it'sthe moment where we say, do we have
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faith in humanity? And do wewant to give the choice to the individuals.
And I hope we're to thatpoint. I hope that we're ready to
make the right choice of species.
Wow, there's so muchinformation. What you're saying is
it's inspirational. It givesme faith in mankind and that maybe
this technology is reallylifting us all up. So if someone
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wanted to reach out to you,Chris, and to learn more about black
Wallet and what you're doingand how this revolution in real world
tokenization and I the supplychain will affect us all, how can
I contact you?
Well, if anybody that wants toget involved with tokenization or
large scale real world assettokenization or a country or anything
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like that, we deal with abunch of those. Feel free to hit
me up on LinkedIn. I lovemaking new friends. It's just Christopher
Smith Meyer on LinkedIn. I'm aguy. I believe I either got a cowboy
hat or a beard that's a wholelot blacker than it is now because
I haven't updated my picture.You can also email me@chrislackllackwalletgroup.com
and we'll get back to you assoon as we can. I do get a lot of
emails a day, so LinkedIn isyour best bet. But I'd love to talk
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to new people. I love to helpintroduce people to this field. And
as a college professor, Iteach a whole lot of students about
this stuff, too. So feel freeto reach out to me. I love the connection.
Now, we really appreciate youjoining us today on this special
edition of the Buzz andaudience. Thank you very much for
joining us on the buzz. Andmake sure to join us next Monday
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where we will give you thelatest news on the supply chain and
the logistics industry. Butyou know, Scott is still banging
on a door over there. But takea bit of the information that we've
shared with you to make lifebetter. And as God always says, do
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Well, hello, everyone. It'sKevin Jackson from Digital Transformers.
Welcome to the Buzz DigitalTransformers edition. As you know,
this is normally a livestream, but this edition has been
(00:48):
pre recorded. So today's newsis really centered around the intersection
of our virtual and physicalworlds as it applies to supply chain
digital assets and real worldassets. So when I was talking to
Scott about doing all this,his eyes sort of glazed over and
(01:11):
looked like he was going tohave a bad day. So we stuffed him
in the closet. So Scott isback there banging right now, and
we have control. So for thisedition, I've brought in a heavyweight
leader in this merger of realworld and virtual world. Doctor Chris
Smith Meyer, the CEO of BlackWallet Limited. Hey, Chris, how you
(01:36):
doing?
Hey, thanks for having me, Kevin.
First of all, that is sobeautiful behind you there. Some
people may say that's virtual.Where are you?
This is actually out in theyard right now. We have beautiful
central Pennsylvania fall. Theleaves are turning. And actually
had some nice weather today.So came out here where we could have
a nice little chat.
(01:57):
No, thank you very much. Butbefore we get into the news, can
you tell me a little bit aboutwhat is black wallet and what do
you do?
Okay, well, black wallet is astablecoin 2.0 ecosystem management
company. And we do a lot ofhigh value 5 million plus tokenizations
that salivator pitch that Iput out there to people. And like
(02:17):
you said, with Scott's eyesglazing over, that usually gets me
out of the conversation, if Ican get out of it. One of the things
when we first got into cryptothat we realized is that if you start
looking at the US dollar, itsa dependent variable. So its not
stable. It moves around. Itdoes stuff. Thats the reason why
we have money markets. And wesaid, where can we get stability?
(02:38):
And the answer was in realworld assets by using a mass scale
project. And a lot of peoplehave started to look into this now.
Weve been doing it for aboutfour years now. We were one of the
first ones to come in. A lotof people are referencing us in their
white papers because of how webrought this to the field. And we
werent even the progenitors.There were people before us, too,
but we took it to thestablecoin level and now were bringing
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it into tokenomics to helpbring advanced tokenomics to the
field where were not justgiving people a meme coin and saying,
hey, attach it to an asset,were saying, hey, you need to have
a custodian, you need to havea tokenizer, and you need to have
an owner. And that creates anethical system where you can trust
the assets that yourereceiving and were really working
to bring trust into the systemand build a better crypto verse for
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everybody.
Wow, this seems reallyimportant, especially if you're dealing
with things in your supplychain. People are always wondering
about where's my stuff?
Yeah, that's one of the thingswe really push for is because if
you buy a government bond or abill or something like that, you're
basing it off of the desire ofthe government to pay you back, which
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means you hear the statementfull faith and credit. Full faith
and credit. Its basicallyyoure giving the government a loan
and hoping they pay you back.Whereas whenever you deal with real
world tokenization, whetheryoure tokenizing a commodity, whether
youre tokenizing a property ora company, that ownership, that valuable
document, the title, the deed,whatever it is, is put into custody
(04:05):
with a third party and thatthird party guarantees that it is
there. Whereas the UnitedStates government cant say the money
is there until they write youthe check. You can always go on chain
and make sure that yourproperty in a real world asset backed
system is there. And thatreally takes away that zero trust
system where you just trustwhatever the bank tells you, where
you can actually prove whatyou're being told by a tokenizer.
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And that's one of the thingsthat's really going to open this
world up because you don'thave to have faith to have credit
anymore. Now you just have tohave assets.
Wow. So I think this is one ofthe things that our friends at Deloitte
wanted to highlight in arecent article that they released
on the rise of the digitalsupply network. The fact that supply
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chain is really about trackingthe transfer of real world assets
from one owner to anotherowner. And these are traditionally
linear in nature with discreteprogression of like design, plan,
source. This has made supplychains sort of rigid and staged.
(05:13):
But now with virtual assetsand real world assets coming into
the fore, you need to be moredynamic and more interconnected.
So this article, Deloittecalled this a digital supply network
which integrate informationfrom many different sources and locations
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to drive the physical act ofproduction and distribution. And
this is important becauseyou're actually doing supply chain
management in the virtualworld. So these can really lead to
a, as they put it, a virtualcollapse in the supply chain. But
(05:59):
most importantly, you have tosupport certain characteristics in
your supply chain. You have toalways be on and agile, need to be
connected to the supplycommunity. I always like to call
it your supply mesh. You haveto be really intelligent about where
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your goods are going, wherethey're being sourced and where they're
being delivered. And you haveto have end to end transparency across
the entire supply chain sothat you can support holistic decision
making. So in your work, whatdoes the supply chain and the digital
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supply network, how does thatrelate to real world assets?
I think it's really important,whenever you look at that, one of
the most common things you'regoing to hear from the fudsters that
are attacking the digitalasset world is if it's not your key,
because it's not your wallet.And that's really a really weird,
it's a nice littlecatchphrase, but realistically, can
you walk into your bank rightnow and take all your money out and
(07:05):
just not tell anybody youdon't have the keys to the bank?
So one of the things that youlook at with supply chain is if you
don't know where your productis, do you really own it? And if
you don't have that bill oflading or that receipt, do you really
own it? And there is apossibility of the supply chain infrastructure
as we know it starting tocollapse a little bit and change
(07:26):
the very rapidly in how itoperates. Because as you know, the
supply chain boils down toBill of lady. Where I get a piece
of paper to a transporter, thetransporter takes it, gives it to
the person, and whenever theyget the whatever they get that piece
of paper, it gets the moneygets sent back to me. That's what
it is. It's just a whole bunchof those in a row. What the digital
world lets you do is it allowsyou to make this process simple,
(07:47):
that it is on chain, everybodycan see the document, you don't have
to trade it between hands. Andwhere it really shines, where it
really helps society, is as wemove into the world, where drop shipping
is more important, andbreaking down parcels into smaller
things that are shippedinternationally to go to residential
addresses becomes complicated.Because if you have one bill of lading,
(08:09):
that means that whenever youbreak it down, you have to create
a new bill of lading, and newbills of lading to send it to peoples
houses. And you have thousandsof pieces of paper that everybody
has to keep track of. And ifyou lose track of it, you open yourself
up to a loss. Whereas with avirtual bill of lading, with a tokenized
asset, you can go on theblockchain, see it. If it's divisible,
(08:32):
it can be broken down intopieces and seen where it's getting
shipped and what wallets it'sgoing to. And this can all be seen
on the blockchain, whetherit's through a permissionless or
a permission system. So if youwant it to be private, it can be
private. If you want it to bepublic, it can be public. And that
way there's no question wherethe goods are, who has them and even
(08:53):
whether the person at the endreceived them. Because as we know,
that's a major loss leader forAmazon and companies where people
say they just didn't get theirpackage when they actually got it
and just won another one. Sothe digitization of it, Deloitte
is absolutely right. It isgoing to change the face of the world
and it's going to change itfor the better because we're going
to get more products deliveredwhere they're supposed to go and
we're going to cut out a lotof that extra fat in the middle.
(09:15):
But if I'm dealing in howsupply chains are now and I've made
a big investment in tools andtechnologies and software, will this
cause me to now have toreinvest and buy new tools and to
link with things likeblockchain and these real world asset
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organizations? What does thatmean to me personally?
It shouldn't. It shouldactually save you a lot of money
because right now your biggestcosts are going to be paper or accounting
to manage the amount ofdocuments that you're dealing with.
Because as much as it costs toship goods, the transfer of documents
back and forth with work hoursfor people reviewing those documents,
dealing with those documentsis much higher. And whenever we start
(10:02):
taking those costs away, it'sactually going to save money. Now,
whatever you said aboutinvesting in the process for scanning
in or recording, for doing allthat, doing all the basic work that
human beings and computersneed to work together on, it becomes
really effective because thecomputers you have, as long as you
bought computers within thelast five years, can run the portals
(10:24):
to the blockchain. Thescanners that you hold in your hand
can send the data to theblockchain. They might need their
software updated, but thatsystem, it's not a high demand system.
It's not a system that's goingto require you to go out and buy
an IBM supercomputer all ittakes is the ability to access the
block. And you can do thatwith something as simple as a cell
(10:44):
phone. So it should reducecosts for companies around the world,
even the ones that are reallyvested in the supply chain. The only
people that it's going to hurtis mcas or that are used to going
through all that paper becausethey're not going to get their hours
for it.
Well, I think this is sort ofborne out in the second article that
we looked at this week whereit talked about Vechain, who partnered
(11:08):
with Boston Consulting Group,and they're looking at driving trillions,
trillions of dollars in realworld asset integration. I mean,
Boston Consulting Group is oneof the largest global consulting
firms in the world. And theysaid that they expect the market
(11:29):
for tokenized assets to hit$16 trillion. And in doing that,
they put in place a strategicrelationship with Vechain. According
to the bank of America report,tokenization will really transform
the existing financialinfrastructure. It reduces costs
(11:50):
and optimizes the supply chainto increase efficiencies. And this
partnership includes nameslike Walmart, PwC, DNV, and BMW.
So they're taking the BMW andtokenizing its entire supply chain.
And this is leading to asignificant reduction in carbon emissions
(12:16):
in agriculture andstrengthening our food supply chains.
So, Chris, this is a bigthing, it seems, as real world assets.
Yeah, I mean, its the biggestthing we know because its the world
were on. Everything in theworld can be tokenized. And when
youre looking at this, youvegot to applaud companies that are
(12:37):
stepping forward in doing thisbecause you mentioned agriculture.
One of the big assets oftokenizing the real world assets
and agriculture is you justsaw the salmonella outbreak with
eggs.
Yes.
Billions and billions of eggsare being recalled. Most people dont
know about it. Theyve gotsalmonella. What are we going to
do with them? If you have thatsupply chain tokenized the whole
(13:00):
way from the chicken to thepoint of sale, you can have it set
up where you know which batchof eggs went to which factory, which
ones were infected, and thenwhenever it comes to buying them
from Walmart or your localgrocery store, when that SKU is scanned,
because you know where thosecame from, people get those receipts
emailed to them or texted tothem. You could actually text people,
(13:23):
please bring your eggs back.They may have been contaminated because
you know where they went fromand you know if they were or not.
It doesn't just save money, itcan save lives. And that is one of
the big reasons that we'repushing it the different groups that
are working on it. We workwith Solana, we work with constellation.
And the major blockchains areseeing the advantage for this, and
they're seeing how if theyallow themselves to integrate, it
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can become even moreeffective. And I think in the next
couple of years, you're goingto see more and more companies coming
out and doing this, notbecause it the cheapest thing to
do, which it is, but becauseit's the right thing to do, because
they can protect themselvesand they can protect their customers.
And this is going to open alot of doors, especially in medical,
pharma, agriculturalindustries, because if you can trace
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product from point of creationto point of sale, we can get, like,
the opioid crisis of the last15 years. We could have kept that
off the market because wewould have known exactly where those
drugs were.
Yeah, well, Walmart, I mean,they are a giant when it comes to
managing, you know, thousandsof supply chains from, well, maybe
(14:26):
millions of supply chains fromtens of thousands of suppliers. So
does that mean that they'regoing to actually push this down
to their suppliers? Withrespect to this tokenization of real
world assets, I really believeit will.
Walmart is known for makingits suppliers do what it's told.
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Basically, if you make aproduct, if you make Kevin flakes.
Yeah.
And you want to sell them toWalmart, Walmart will sell them for
you. But the deal that theycut with you is if we buy a bunch
of them and then they don'tsell, you have to buy the product
back. I mean, they'll put someon clearance, but they don't want
to clear their wholeinventory. They don't lose money
on stuff. And they do this bymaking people's supply chains more
(15:08):
efficient. This doesn'treally. Like, when this first started
back in the nineties and I wasin grad school, and I remember them
saying, walmart's evil. It'sdoing this horrible thing. And then
we find out that now oursupply chain is 100 times more efficient
than it was back then, a lotof it, because of technological innovation.
But whenever companies likeWalmart do that, it really can help
(15:30):
encourage a small farmer,because Walmart doesn't just say,
hey, farmer, start recordingyour props. It says, hey, farmer.
We will give you this systemto help record your crops. So with
the farmer, like, there's a,there's a bar. And that's why I'm
looking off to the, righthere, that if they went to my neighbor
and said, hey, we can help youwith this, it doesn't push the burden
(15:51):
down onto that farmer. Itactually helps the big companies,
help the little companies getthese products out there. So big
groups like Walmart, wheneverthey do it, like a lot of people
attack the big they're reallydoing it to help supply system, which
means they're going to helpthe little guys too. Wow.
So this is really critical.And I think it's actually driving
(16:12):
multiple industries, not justselling the eggs and chicken. But
this is highlighted in thethird article that we saw in Techradar
this week. And they weretalking about industry 5.0 and how
important data has become asartificial intelligence is sort of
(16:33):
driving everything. And theyhighlighted that many industries
are really relying on thesephysical assets, from construction
to manufacturing, energy,utilities. And they're still trying
to realize the benefits ofindustry 4.0. But the data that they're
getting today is helping thembuild to industry 5.0. And this fifth
(17:00):
industrial revolution isreally going to be the foundation
of it is digitalization andimplementation of digital transformation.
Things like you'd mentioned,these connected devices like your
smartphones and your POSsystems and data analytics as long
and the automation of theseprocess driven activities and these
(17:25):
digital elements of actuallyhow companies are going to the next
step. And they're usingartificial intelligence to integrate
this data from physical assetsto unlock new avenues for supply
chain innovation andvariation. And that for businesses
(17:48):
that actually manage thesephysical assets, this will optimize
capital allocation and managerisk and drive more precise data
driven business decisions. Andthis calling it now industrial AI
can provide a competitive edgeby helping companies prioritize these
(18:10):
high impact investments, adaptto changing regulatory and market
conditions, and really aligntheir business with sustainability.
So making and saving theearth. So this real world, you know,
asset stuff is drivingimprovements in our ecosystem. This
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is also part of your strategythere, Chris?
Yeah, most definitely.Whenever you start looking at the
way industry 5.0 is buildingout, and it's really cool because
industry 1.0 was theindustrial revolution. That was a
cotton gin. That was a couplehundred years ago, and it's only
moved to industry five, whichis the big data system. Well, if
you look at the web system, westarted with ARPANET back in the
(18:55):
1960s and now were already inweb three and weve already got the
door open to web four thatwere looking at and theyre starting
to align. Its so amazing howthe industry is starting to align
because every moment in theworld today, because of these cell
phones that we hold in ourhands, were producing more information
(19:15):
than was created last year. Sowe're just, the phones are receiving
so much more information. Thatdata that's being used for rescue
stuff, the pictures, thevideo, the voice recognition, your
Google assistant that'srecording a lot of your data, like,
so whenever you ask questions,they can answer you. This data is
going out there and it's goinginto the cloud, and there is so much
(19:38):
big data out there. And theproblem was, five years ago, we had
no way to analyze it. Peopleput it into spreadsheets, and you
had thousands of people readover it. Now you can take that big
data and you can run itthrough an AI processor and have
readable sheets of therelevant data based on what youre
searching for. And as we moveinto this more block matrix technology,
(19:58):
moving like advancing theblockchain, advancing the big data
concept, and integrating AIinto the actual fabric of the Internet,
were going to have the abilityto access this data. And industrially,
it is amazing. It is such theway that we can improve our industrial
processes here in the UnitedStates are amazing. But where it
really steps out is the amountof medical data we create each year
(20:21):
is doubling. We can put thatinformation into the AI, too, and
we can start finding thingsthat link cancers together. We can
find things that starttracking diseases around the world
that are causing problems, andthe AI can do it, and they can see
the things that humans miss,because if you have five AI's working
on something, you can seehundreds of thousands of people's
(20:42):
worth of work. Now, it's nevergoing to eliminate the human factor
because there are things thatwe can make transactions on that
computers can't because wehave intuition. But whenever it comes
down to raw, crunchingnumbers, I'll take an AI over the
MIT math lab every day,because it can do it faster and more
efficiently. Now, if I want totake something that takes an innovative
(21:02):
leap or needs to createsomething new, those guys from MIT
or those guys from Dartmouth,those are going to be the guys I
call. But on a regular day today basis, AI's are going to get
rid of that data job that'smaking people go blind around the
world.
Wow. I think you're scaring alot of people saying that now AI
is going to take over everyindustry, and really, the big brother
(21:26):
or the big sister is AI inyour supply chain? And it could be
scary, because the fourth andlast article is really about, they
sort of describe this as thecrypto frontier. And when you hear
crypto, the only thing peoplethink of is bitcoin. And all of the
(21:47):
scams that cryptocurrency sortof has become, you know, sort of
front of mind, they scared ofit. But this crypto frontier is really
changing. It's drivinginnovation and utility. This is from
our friends over at UCW E andtalking about how blockchain adoption
(22:08):
is accelerating, how digitalassets, the role that they're playing
in the global economy, fromtransforming traditional industries
to opening up new marketsthrough asset tokenization. And that
basically said thatcryptocurrency is bright. And, you
(22:29):
know, talking about this bigbrother, big sister, they talk about
oracles over the network andthey're saying how ethereum on the
blockchain is really making itmuch easier to build what's known
as decentralized apps, orDapps, to foster innovation across
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finance, gaming and supplychains. They talk about Cardano,
who has really beendistinguished by the research that
they've done and that they'vebeen focused on security, sustainability
and scalability through pointof sale systems. And Chainlink, which
(23:10):
is really a leadingdecentralized oracle network. And
you say, well, what is anoracle? Well, this is a decentralized
capability that enables thecreation of hybrid smart contracts
on the blockchain, where onchain code and off chain infrastructure
(23:33):
are combined to support theseDapps as they react in real time
to real world events. And thisis really crucial for like insurance
and supply chains andfinances. And one important note
is a major or leading oraclethat's working today to support supply
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chains is the Pkunovasnetwork, where they use proof of
time consensus mechanisms withhundreds of active nodes around the
world that work independentlyfor security and immutability. They
drive over 110,000transactions per second. And in healthcare,
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they're ensuring dataprotection and compliance with strict
regulatory standards. Infinance, they're allowing for the
digital representation ofreal, real world assets like real
estate, commodities andintellectual property. And in an
industrial world, inindustries like manufacturing and
logistics, Pikunovas hasenhanced supply chain management
(24:46):
that enables real timetracking of goods while ensuring
data security and integrity.So this is not the future, is it?
It's now, and it's been here.
And you brought up a goodpoint that people are, they tend
to be afraid of change. Andyou mentioned Big Brother, like,
yes, what I described, it doessound like big Brother. Until we
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add the last piece. The greatthing that differentiates web three
and four from what was therepreviously is the individual's ownership
of their own data. Andwhenever they were writing 1984 and
whenever people were gettingscared about big Brother and talking
about like communism and wherewe're going to have ministries of
(25:28):
truth and fact checkers andstuff like that, that came true.
We were just about 20 yearsslow. I mean, we saw the fact checkers
on Facebook and Twitter wherethey said, man dies because car wrecked,
and like, then it pops up.This may be false because the man
died, but he could have diedfrom a thousand things between when
he drove off the bridge beforeit hit the water. And it's like,
is that a fact checker or isthat just beyond? And whenever you
(25:52):
own your own data, though, itgives you the access for two things.
One, it is the ability tocontrol your own data, how it's used,
who has access to it, and whatit can be used. That's a really powerful
thing. And that's really, ifyou get back the whole way to the
Bill of Rights and theDeclaration of Independence, the
life, liberty and happiness,the person's papers that they are
(26:14):
protected in, that's yourdata. The founding fathers, there
weren't even computers. Thereweren't anything like that. But they
said in your data, the stuffyou created, you have a right to
privacy. And it's just takenus 250 years next year, right, about
250 years to get this right towhere we can provide that digitally
and protect people with somuch to gain. The second piece that
(26:35):
makes it even better is thatyou can monetize your data in web.
Two, Facebook took your dataand gave you a free social media
price to waste your life on, right?
Right.
Now, you can monetize thatdata, you can sell that data, and
you can get paid back by thecompanies that are using that data,
because when you have thepower to control your data, you can
also have the power to shutthat data off. And that gives the
(26:58):
power to the individual, thatgives the power to the Kevin Jacksons
of the world, to the ChrisSmith Myers of the world, and lets
them have a say in what theyredoing with it. So cryptocurrency,
I believe it is the future. Atleast I hope it is the future, as
I own a cryptocurrencycompany. So I hope its the future.
But as we move away from thenation state, telling you what money
(27:18):
you have and how you can useit to you having the ability to monetize
yourself and monetize yourinformation to gain money, it gives
the people all around theworld the ability to have a voice.
And how they use that voice isreally up to them. That's not something
that those of us sittingbehind a computer or sitting behind
a camera can control. But it'sthe moment where we say, do we have
(27:41):
faith in humanity? And do wewant to give the choice to the individuals.
And I hope we're to thatpoint. I hope that we're ready to
make the right choice of species.
Wow, there's so muchinformation. What you're saying is
it's inspirational. It givesme faith in mankind and that maybe
this technology is reallylifting us all up. So if someone
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wanted to reach out to you,Chris, and to learn more about black
Wallet and what you're doingand how this revolution in real world
tokenization and I the supplychain will affect us all, how can
I contact you?
Well, if anybody that wants toget involved with tokenization or
large scale real world assettokenization or a country or anything
(28:24):
like that, we deal with abunch of those. Feel free to hit
me up on LinkedIn. I lovemaking new friends. It's just Christopher
Smith Meyer on LinkedIn. I'm aguy. I believe I either got a cowboy
hat or a beard that's a wholelot blacker than it is now because
I haven't updated my picture.You can also email me@chrislackllackwalletgroup.com
and we'll get back to you assoon as we can. I do get a lot of
emails a day, so LinkedIn isyour best bet. But I'd love to talk
(28:47):
to new people. I love to helpintroduce people to this field. And
as a college professor, Iteach a whole lot of students about
this stuff, too. So feel freeto reach out to me. I love the connection.
Now, we really appreciate youjoining us today on this special
edition of the Buzz andaudience. Thank you very much for
joining us on the buzz. Andmake sure to join us next Monday
(29:10):
where we will give you thelatest news on the supply chain and
the logistics industry. Butyou know, Scott is still banging
on a door over there. But takea bit of the information that we've
shared with you to make lifebetter. And as God always says, do
(29:30):
good, give forward, and be thechange that's needed. Take action
based upon what we'veprovided. So on that note, we'll
see you next time on supplychain now. Thanks, everyone.
Thanks for being a part of oursupply chain now community. Check
(29:52):
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