Alanis Morissette "Jagged Little Pill" (1995): Track by Track!

This week on the Surely You Can’t Be Serious podcast, Jason and Dee dive headfirst into one of the defining albums of the 1990s—Alanis Morissette’s Jagged Little Pill. The guys trace Alanis’s remarkable rise from Canadian teen pop idol to alt-rock truth-teller, exploring how a young artist reinvented herself and ended up creating one of the most influential albums of the decade.

Jason and Dee unpack the creation of the record—from Alanis’s fateful collaboration with producer Glen Ballard, to the raw, confessional writing sessions that would reshape her public persona and give voice to a generation. They break down the production choices that gave the album its signature emotional punch and explain how Jagged Little Pill exploded into a cultural force that no one saw coming.

And of course, the guys tell the story behind every track: the heartbreaks, the therapy sessions, the studio magic, and the controversies that surrounded songs like “You Oughta Know,” “Ironic,” and “Head Over Feet.”

But this is just the beginning.
Over the next two weeks, Jason and Dee will compare Jagged Little Pill with Jewel’s Pieces of You and No Doubt’s Tragic Kingdom—two other iconic albums that shaped the 90s and launched careers. Which album has the strongest songwriting? The biggest cultural footprint? The deepest emotional resonance? And how will the guys ultimately rank these three 90s juggernauts?

Tune in as Jason and Dee rank them all—and maybe break a few hearts along the way.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, d Yeah, Jason, what eighties Canadian television show did
a Lance More set and get her start in?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I don't know. Let me guess you can't do that
on television. That's right, don't worry. That'll come out with
a little water. It's a great idea. I love it.

(00:42):
You don't have any notes? Do I stress you out?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Your sweater's on backwards and inside out.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Almost. I thought I'd do it to complete the joke,
but that would have been weird, have to change clothes
in front of all of our guests. Welcome back, everybody
to the surely can't be serious podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Wait before you get into this, because I don't want
you to give away what we're talking about. Of course,
if somebody clicked on it, they already know.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
But you can see the background in the screen.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Right, all right, Well I got a tribute question for
you regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, all right? Is it a lota is more set?
The answer is yes, it is. Okay, pulled the window
with the envelope up here? Is it perfect? You ought
to know?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Just hang on a second, all right, give me the
top we'll say, top six selling albums of the nineteen nineties.
Top six Okay, Nirvana nevermind, No, that's not no, not
on there real Jim Tin No, uh use your illusion
one to two.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
No Metallica black album, Yes, number six. Oh hey, hey, HeLa,
Well we've actually covered that one. We have. Well, we
covered all of those. That's true. That's true, we have,
but none of those. Sound Garden no, uh no, Red
Hot Chilli Peppers No. Okay, mom Rock what mom rock?

(02:11):
Mom Rock is the answer to the question. I mean,
you know, like, so you're telling me I've just got
number six. So the top five albums are all mom Rock. Yeah. Madonna.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Madonna's number ten with the Immaculate Collection. I think that
was her greatest hits.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Okay, mom uh Celein Dion.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Celine Dion has the number four and number five slot,
both both Okay. She was raking in the nineteen nineties.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I'm gonna go on a limb and say, Alanis Moore said,
Jag a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Jag a little pill is number three. Thirty three million
copies sold. Okay, Okay, by the way, while you're tossing
this around in your head, yeah, the top ten, yes
for the nineties. Yeah, all over thirty million copies sold.
We'll never see that again.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Just just so we're clear on what we're saying this
More Set Jag Little Pill was the number three best
selling album of the nineties.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Wow, okay, So I remember how annoying ironic was at
some point. I guess I love the song now, but
you heard it so much. So I'm trying to think
Ace of Basse is to tell me it's not a
uh and yes, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Number one The Bodyguard is number one, the most forty
five million copies.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
So crazy. And so number two is it more? Mom
Rock is number two of Momrock? Definitely mom Rock? I mean,
is it what is it? No doubt or jewel? It
can't be. I don't know. Does your mom feel like
a woman? Oh? Shanaia Twain, shut up, Shania Twain. Number two? Wow,
mutt lang, mutt leg Shanaia Twain had the number number two,

(03:54):
not Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks out of the top ten.
Oh wow, that is crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Your top ten rounded out by Michael Jackson Dangerous and
two Backstreet Boys album.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, I can tell you that of all of the
top five, there's only one that I'm super excited to
talk about today, and that's a lot of more set
Jagged Little Pill, guys, I haven't been this pumped to
talk about an album in a long time. Don't be wrong.
I love all of her albums, but this one is
near and dear to my heart. I saw her in concert.
I think it was I think maybe early ninety seven. Really,

(04:28):
I think it was. Yeah, where was this? It was
down in Dallas. Actually it couldn't have been early because
we were sitting outside on the lawn and it wasn't freezing,
so she's been on her way up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it would have been ninety seven because I was in
Tulsa by then. I was gonna tell this story when
we cover the song, but I'll just say ironic. It
was so overplayed at that point that I was just like, oh, please,

(04:49):
just please don't even play it. And she did the concert.
At the concert, really, I know, I just I mean,
I knew that wasn't gonna happen. But here's what happened.
She said, you know, the song starts, and she said
and old and that's all she said, and the entire
whatever five six seven thousand people that were there sang

(05:12):
the entire rest of the song. She did not she
just held her microphone out and everybody else sang it.
She did not sing another word and will I will
tell you. Hairs on my arms in the back of
my neck were standing up for the entire song. And
now because of that moment, that experience, it's one of
my favorites. I love it, man, I love it.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
You know this album is so improbable of being in
the top ten. It's a glorified demo album. It's really
similar to the collective soul Shine. Yeah hints allegations and
things said, yeah, it was meant to be a demo.
All they wanted to do was sell enough copies to
get her another album.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, yep. And so I really think we need to
go ahead and dive in just because these songs are
all so good and there's so much to say about
her and each one of the songs. But I will
just tell you as an intro to this song, they
talked to all of the major record labels after they
had this demo tape that you're talking about, and then
they talked to all of the minor record labels and
everyone said no, thank you. Now, she spent twenty sessions

(06:13):
with Glynn Ballard, who's who is her co writer on
this thing. Yeah, twenty sessions, twenty songs. Record company passes
on all of them. She leaves and they give up. Basically,
she leaves, he thinks I'm never gonna see this girl again,
goes home, goes to Canada, spends Christmas, comes back. He's like,
she's super skinny, super pale. She walks in and her

(06:34):
sweaters on backwards and inside out, and everything changed at
that moment. So that takes us into song number one.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Song number one is called all I Really Want.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Do I stress you at my sweater is on back
person inside out.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Can you say ha.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
A proprid banger right out of the gate?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Man? Oh, it's so freaking good. So tell the story
that Jim Butler told you about this album.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Jim Butler at the Children of the Eighties podcast just
texted me about five minutes ago and said, you know,
in college, you know when they're handing out free T
shirts for credit card sign ups, you know hu.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
He said he was so dumb that he signed.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Up for a credit card, got a free T shirt,
and used the money that he would have purchased on
a shirt or something and went and bought Jagged Little
Pill right.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Off the shelf, So that's a great buye in my opinion.
I can't remember how I came across the album. I
can tell you that in nineteen ninety five and ninety six,
had a band together, and we had a girl come
and join us as a singer, and we were I mean,
we basically learned every song on that album. So I
can't remember when it came into my wheelhouse. I obviously,

(07:54):
like everyone else, was totally blown away by the next
song that we're about to cover, But I can't remember.
It was just like you just had to have the album.
You just had to.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
You had to be like Deaf Dave levels of like
head under the Rocks to not know all the songs
on this album, right, I mean, you just it was
just part of life.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Everybody knew these songs all up to you, Deaf Dave.
But yes, you did go hide in the Cave. You've
told us as much.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yes, So before we go any further, Okay. This album
was released June thirteenth, nineteen ninety five, sold thirty three
million copies. It won five Grammy Awards was nominated for nine.
Here are the awards that it won. Okay, it won
Album of the Year Best Rock Album, Best Female Rock Performance,
Best Rock Song, and Best Long Form Music Video. Right, Okay,

(09:00):
Ballad is the producer of this album. Yeah, I'm sure
you want to tell the story how they met and
how they started writing songs. They wanted to write one
song a day. But he's not nobody, Okay, And I
sent you this list of the songs that he wrote.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
This is crazy, right, I know? Okay? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So he wrote hold On by Wilson Phillips, which is
a big hit from the nineteen nineties.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I mean's not as long as you were talking about
Deaf Day, might as well talk about his favorite band's kids. Yep,
keep going.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
He wrote Pink by Aerosmith.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh, that's a great one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
He wrote Man in the Mirror by Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh your favorite song. I can tell how wrong you
are about that one, but I'm just impressive. Yes. And
he wrote wait for It.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
All I Need by Jack Wagner.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
It shows up again. Now, is Jack Wagner woven through
every piece of fabric of every story that we seem
to tell. It's incredible, It's nuts. And so he met
her and I think the line is she he like
is reading her music? Right? And the line that he
sees is do you hear the sound of pretenses falling?

(10:07):
And he was like, how do you not want to
write with a girl who writes like this? And she
was nineteen years old? Nineteen?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Now, I don't know if you know this or not,
but she was on a Canadian television show that I
loved as a kid.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Uh huh, well, boy, the kid's my worst enemy came
in here today the City Health inside.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
After that's too bad, barthy.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Did you give him a burger from across the street
to get him off your back?

Speaker 4 (10:32):
No?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I gave him my barsburger. I get him off my back.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I guess we won't be hearing from him anymore. No, no,
but we'll be tasting him for many weeks to come.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Things in the words, oh, did you watch the show?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I watched it all the time. I don't think I
was still watching it when she was on it. I
watched when Moose and Lisa were on there. I don't
remember her in particular, but that just you know.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
We talked about this the other day. So you can't
do that on television.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
You can't do that on television, which if you grew
up with Nickelodeon, and you probably saw a double dare
and everything was all about the slime. Right fine, Nickelodeon
made a ton of stuff about slime. It all came
from you can't do that on television. That's true. You
remember how you get slimmed. You answered a question I
don't know, I don't know, you say, I don't know
on you can't do that on television. You covered slime.
I did see a clip of her getting slimed.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yes, yes, yeah, remember how you got water on poured
on your head? No, I had to do say water
so all I really want? Sixth and final single. It
got to number fourteen on the US Billboard Modern Rock chart.
There are two songs on this album that made it
to the Billboard Hot one hundred. I love the story
about how Maverick backed her.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
They've shopped this album around. They're hopeful that somebody's gonna
take a bite.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Everybody said no.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
So Maverick was a record label that was brand new
and owned by Madonna. Well, they had a record guy,
a twenty two year old kid who was like eighteen.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
She said they could have gone high school together, like
they were the same age. He was a little eighteen
year old guy when he's Yeah, he said he had
a briefcase that he walked around with and said, whise
guy on it. You didn't even know what that meant,
like wise guy records. Right, No, it's great, and yeah,
go ahead, keep going.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well his name was Guy oh Siri. Yeah, and we'll
talk about that song here in just a minute. The
one that they presented, in my opinion, is the worst
song on this album.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Okay, well you're wrong, but okay, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
But that song, which we'll talk about hearing a couple
of songs. Yeah, she played it for him, he said.
Twenty seconds in he's like, I'm in, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Let's sign this girl. And thirty three million albums later.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
He sees the beauty that nobody else saw and he's
I listened to him describe this, and he's like, not
only do you have these lyrics, but then she'll like
what she does with her voice, and she'll grind in
these parts that just it turns it. And I've listened
to her talk about it. She's like, you know, your
voice is like it's like the paint, and I like
splashing the paint around, you know, and you make the

(12:57):
voice serve the words that you've created and that that's
so she does it, and she really does a great job.
She's got so much dexterity with her voice. She's got
these wonderful lyrics. So of course she meets Madonna later,
you know, this is Madonna's label or whatever. And right
before she meets Madonna, like right before she gets to
the meeting, she gets held up at gunpoint. Alanis Morrisett
gets held up at gunpoint. Okay, so like when she's

(13:20):
you know, she's like comes from being held up into
the record label to meet Madonna for the first time.
And so they're telling Madonna and she's like overhearing this
in the hall. They're like, okay, well, you know she's
she might be a little like nervous. You know, she
just got held up at gunpoint. And Madonna's like, ah,
I wish I had been held up. That's such a

(13:40):
great story. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, you know that when she was held up, she
was willing to give the guy anything, but she had
some of the demos in her backpack for a jagged
little pill. Oh She's like, I was willing to give
them my purse, my wallet, all of my money. She's like,
but I really really did not want to give them.
Was in my backpack? Right, they take that and we
don't have the album we got today.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
All they wanted was her purse basically, and.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
That was it. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
By the way, I don't know if you ever had
to read Great Expectations.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I might have had to read it. I don't think
that I did read it though, right there with you.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
But there's a character from Great Expectations mentioned in this song. Okay,
Stella Ah, Yes, that's deep level of rock.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
If you listen to her speak, her vocabulary is so strong,
so very strong, and she uses it with ease. It's
not like, you know, some people used to use big
words and you're like, oh, you've been waiting to use
that word now. She just she's just throwing them out
there in her daily conversation. She's incredibly intelligent, very.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Very intelligent poet.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah. Okay, So if def Dave, you've only heard one
song on this whole album, it's going to be this
song right here.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
If getting your carkeeed and your tire slashed were a song.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
This is it?

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, I wond oh, I'm thanks for you.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I wish nothing but the best for you both.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
I'm all the version of me.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
She preferted like me would.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
She goes down on you.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Money.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
She's got one question for you. Are you thinking of
me when you.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Her scratch my nails down someone else's back? I hope
you feel.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
This angry angry. You know, there's this image of girls
when they get broken up with that, you know they're
gonna go sit in their pj's and eat ice cream cream.
And she blows that out of the effing water with
this song.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I think she gave voice to a lot of women
at this time.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah. Now, what's interesting is we didn't know that this
was about any particular guy, right right, and then we
find out, I don't know, maybe less than ten years ago,
that that the idea is that it's uncle Joey, right.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
One hundred percent, it's uncle Joey. It's Dave Coolier.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, so Dave Coolier says it's him. Yea, she has
not confirmed that, and well, she affirm anything, right, and
but she's also said but like and her friends have
said she dated a whole lot of guys at this time.
He was not the only guy that she dated. He
just happened to be a famous guy that she dated.
He thinks it's him, right, I know, and maybe he
gets and maybe he gets a little more street cred

(16:40):
if it is him or whatever. But but like, and
I've heard him say that. You know. I called her
up and was like, hey, are we okay? You know
you are right?

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I did my Papaye imitation and we were fine.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Bob's Saggot talks about Bob's Bob Saggott said he was
at dinner with Dave Kolier when she called, and he
was trying to dumper well because hey, I'm at dinner.
Hey I can I cut you?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
She was bugging him in the middle of dinner. Well,
I dinner. So yeah, so here's the here's the story. Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, So Dave Coolier was thirty two, thirty three, she's seventeen.
That ain't okay, right, he's playing at a celebrity hockey
event and she's singing the national anthem.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
That's how they begin to hang out and date.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, and more than date in a theater.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
You've seen that meme where it's like, do not sit
behind these two if you go all right? So this
song won the Grammy for Best Rock Song, Best Female
Rock Vocal and of course it's a major part of
why it won Album of the Year. This was the
reason I bought the album. When I heard this song,
I was like, this song freaking rocks, She's a badass,
she's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I gotta have this.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
But this lost Song of the Year to a song
that we've talked about. Okay, any ideas this is ninety five.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
I think it was ninety six, the ninety six Grammies, whatever, Okay,
but it was a song from ninety five.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Ye, And I said, I think I said the time
that it mesmerized me, the song.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
The song mesmerized. Yeah, And is this a this a
guy song? Or is this another mom rock song.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Sung by a guy?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
But most of the it's more for the women, is
it seal? Yep? Good job, it's from a Rose Rose.
I just had to think. I did the Jason Colvin
method of what was I doing at this time?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
And yeah, there you goes right, Okay, go check out
our what the heck happened?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Batman and Robin So yeah, one good thing out of that. Right.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
So, so, Dave Coolier is driving in his car in
LA one day and he's like, hey, here's a song
by a last one I know I used to date
this girl.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
And he's listened to it. He's like, oh oh, oh no. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
He calls his BUDDI He's like, I think I really
hurt this girl. Yeah, And then his buddy said, well,
no crap, you were thirty two and she was seventeen.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
This song rocks. I love it is the best song
on the album. It's the reason why about the album.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I can't disagree with you. Honestly. I may have other
songs that I'd like to listen to more from time
to time, but this one is the steady, hands down winner. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
VH one ranked this song as the number twelfth best
song of the nineties.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Wow. Okay, so you have a couple of freaking all
stars on this song. You've got Flea from Red Hot
Chili Peppers yeh, and Dave Navarro from Jane's Addiction and
Red Hot Chili Peppers. Yeah. That's right, which is interesting
because number one, obviously you've got this video. You remember
the video. She's out in the desert in the Suitcase
Valley and then there's this part where she's playing with

(19:52):
the band and it's all very fuzzy. So I think
I think that this was her touring band that she
was playing with in this video. Right, I'm not one
hundred percent sure, but that's different than the guys who
actually played on it, Okay. And so just I'm just
gonna tell you real quick, the guys that she had
in her band. Number One, you had Jesse Tobias playing
guitar and singing background vocals, and you had Nick Lashy,

(20:14):
guy from London. And like, the album is already huge
at the point that they're auditioning people to be the
band for them to go on tour, sure to support
the album, right, And so they're going through this audition process.
Everybody gets sent the three songs you gotta know, and
Taylor Hawkins listens to you O don't know, and he's like, well,
this is gonna be huge. Yeah, And so he said,

(20:35):
this is the fourth member of the band, Chris Cheney,
the bass player. He's like, I was already in the
band at this point, right, Chris was a mistake. Like
he comes back, like they call him back in She
called Alanis calls him back in right, and when he
gets there, she looks over at Taylor and she's like,
I called the wrong guy. I called the wrong guy.
And Chris Cheney was a jazz bassist, like, he hadn't

(20:59):
been in this Yattle scene. He didn't know these songs,
and so they had called him back. So it was
kind of like, well, I guess he's good enough. And
so Taylor Hawkins says, hey, man, here's Soundgarden, here's Nirvana,
here's Pearl Jam, and here's Jane's addiction. This is what
you know. Go learn this stuff so that you can
be aware of what's been going on for the last
five years. Wow. Then ironically, once they're done with their tour,

(21:23):
Chris Cheney becomes the bass player for Jane's addiction. Really yes,
that's really good. Yeah, So sorry, I interrupted myself. How
did Dave Navarro and Flee become a part of this
song for this young girl who's got? So here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
So Maverick had a relationship with a producer named Jimmy Boyle. Okay,
Jimmy Boyle had worked with the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ah,
and so he's like, God, then you know what this
this song. We need to rock this thing up.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
And at the time, you know, I heard her talk
about the writing process one song to day she said this,
the paper hadn't even dried on the ink, like she's
just writing stuff down she's trying to make into a song.
Next day she gets up, she listens to it, she
doesn't even remember it. She gets in, she records the vocals.
They send the vocal track with you know, some playing
the guitar, just stuff. So they send it to Dave

(22:12):
Navarro and Flee. They add the rock element and they
take the vocals. They're like, wow, the vocals were great.
You know, it's all this emotion and angered, bitterness, frustration,
and they added to the rock and that's how you
get a massive hit. I just want to drop one

(22:50):
more thing. This was one of the only two songs
that charted on the Hot One. It hit number six
on the Hot One.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Only two songs on this album hit the Hot Yes,
only two. Yes, that's crazy. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's kind of a distinction because you have you ought
to know and you learn as a back back to back, right,
that combination hits number six in nineteen ninety six early
ninety six, Okay, and then there's one other.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
One, right, and I think everybody's gonna know what that is, right,
we'll get to it. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Next song of the album's song number three songs called
Perfect Song Time.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
It's never quite in love.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
If you're fones.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Then you.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
So this is the song that they play for Guyo Siri,
the guy the Young from Maverick Records that that turns
him on in the first twenty seconds, right, yes, and
then thirty seconds in he's discovering even more that He's like,
this is going to be amazing. And so here's the
story with that meeting that they had with him. So
they get a call. They've been trying to get all

(24:10):
these record labels whatever, and and somebody's like, you need
to go talk to this guy, right, And so they
try to get a meeting with him. Nothing happens, and
then all of a sudden they get a call and
they're like, hey, he's ready, come meet with him, and
Alanis it's like, well, we're in the middle of writing
songs right now, so now we're good. And they're like, no,
go meet him right now, and so they literally she

(24:32):
and Glenn walk into his office. She's wearing workout clothes.
She's like, she's not made up, not that she ever
really was that made up, but she's just as basic
as you can get as you walk in, and he's like, oh,
I thought this was a band, you know whatever. And
so once they put the tape in and start this
song playing, he realizes that there's magic about to happen.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
So he's twenty seconds in, here's this song. This is
the one that they bring to him. And I tell you,
I think it's the worst song on the album.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
To totally wrong. Now, this is so great because this
is like I haven't had to struggle with this as
much as a bunch of people have. But but I
have so many friends and and usually it is the
females that suffer from this, of this idea of you've
got to be perfect all the time, right, you gotta
hide what's imperfect, you gotta fix what you can, never

(25:25):
let them see those imperfections, and and you know, it's
just this constant struggle of always having to be on
all of the time. And this is just this wonderful,
wonderful outpouring of your heart about this is hard, Like
I don't it's not fair that I have to be
like this.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I'm glad that you love it. Yeah, I think it's
like an eight out of ten because I just love
every other track on this album so much. Under stand
that I think it's a masterpiece. This album is an
incredible nineties masterpiece.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah. It front, head over feet, sorry, right through it,
head into beginning to end. That's this. This album is fantastic. Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
By the way, this song, they were working on another
song and I haven't struggled a little bit with it,
and so they stopped mid work on that song, paused
out pops this song twenty minutes and they've got one.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
For the album.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, so all right, another big hitter.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah you ready, Yes, we'll do number four. The song
is called Hand in my Pocket.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I'm broke but I'm happy.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I'm poor but i'm kind, I'm sure but I'm healthy.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's a banger. Oh my gosh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I mean, the brilliance of these lyrics of the I'm
both things right, I'm drunk but i'ms ober, young but
i'm underpaid, I'm short but i'm healthy, right. I mean,
it's just like, it's not just that you are two
things and you got to or you got to pick
between two things. It's that you're just kind of are

(26:58):
okay with being both turns.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Down to skin out.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And you've got one hand in your pocket and the
other one's given a piece sign, smoking a cigarette, flicking
a cigarette flicking. That's right, clicking. I actually here are
the five things that her hand does.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Okay, So one hand in her pocket, given a high five,
flicking a cigarette, given a piece sign, playing the piano
in Helena Texas.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
But you gotta have the inflection in there, you do.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
That's the way, the wonderful way that she uses her voice.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, and she does have a lot of in her voice.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
You know. I really feel like that. It's this and
you ought to know are kind of the one two
punch that brought her worldwide fame in a matter of
really weak.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
This was the second single, Yeah, released October of ninety five. Yeah,
and She's already By the way, this was supposed to
be the theme song for Dawson's Creek. She pulled it
literally at the last second. She was like, Nope, can't
have it, okay, And that's when they used I don't
want to Wait by Paula Cole, which is very synonymous
with that show. And in twenty seventeen movie Lady Bird,

(28:22):
the lead character says to her dad, did you know
that Alanis Morset wrote this song in ten minutes? And
Alanis actually came out and said, no, she's wrong, talk
about fifteen.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I love this song, man, I love it. It's a
nineties iconic song.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's so great because you know, I've watched a lot
of footage of her in concert right now since we've
been doing this, of course, and having been at the concert,
remembering what all of that was like. But that flicking
a cigarette line, like the crowd just kind of roars
at that point. You know, everybody is singing every word
to every song, but on the flicking a cigarette, I
don't know something about the nineties and the kind of

(29:01):
dangerousness of a girl talking about cigarettes, everybody just kind
of the vibe goes up. You know, I love it
all right.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Next song on the album Let's Do It, another very
well known song. This song is called right Through You mis.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Pronounced mo name.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Big memory for me is we covered this song and
I loved playing this song. When you hit that chorus
and you start jamming out. Oh my gosh, it's so good.
And of course the Windeyne sixty nine to me but
didn't hear a damn word I said, is one of
the best lines in all of rock and roll music.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I love it, man. I think this is the sequel
to you out of know, oh.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
For sure, maybe even the prequel. Actually, I would say

(30:12):
it's a prequel. Okay. So you know you mentioned earlier
that she had a recording contract in Canada, right, yes,
with MCA in Canada, and had a gold record, which
in Canada that meant you sold fifty thousand, so not
super impressive for us on this side of the border.
But yeah, but you know, hey, not nothing, right, nothing.

(30:32):
She had been on you can't do that on television,
she had started singing and writing her own songs, and
she was a pop star in Canada, right And I
mean she's pretty and loves to dance and has the
right moves and can write the good songs. And I
mean I think you said it Debbie Gibson of Canada, right.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, So you sent me her two videos that I
watched today. One of them was called too Hot. One
of them was called walk Away. Yeah, and it's very
like Kathy Dennis. Is the name that came to my brain.

(31:18):
It's dance pop. It's yeah, it's Tiffany, It's Tiffany, It's
Debbie Gibson.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah right, yeah. I mean she's dancing around in a
jeans jacket and a crop top and hanging out with
a bunch of cute guys. You know. It's all that
stuff from the mall pop stuff that we had back
in the late eighties and early.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Nineties, including Matt LeBlanc of Friends.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Right, yeah, that Joey. He said, how you doing to her?
Are you doing? And I mean they've got this weird
kind of kiss moment. Right, I'm doing the math on this.
She was born in seventy four. He was born in
sixty seven. He's seven years older than she is. Okay,
they've got a kissing moment in the video. She's fifteen
or sixteen years old at the time this is going on.

(32:00):
It's crazy, and so this really, I mean, it's terrible,
but this is kind of what happened to her, her
parents not really realizing. I mean, she loves her parents,
both teachers, and they just they saw that she had passion.
Her dad was really loved entertainment and so was encouraging
her and her desire to be a famous TV and
singing star. But she kind of got sent out on

(32:22):
her own and they talked to the one guy who
produced records there in Canada, and he became kind of
her literal uncle Joe. But he was a guy who
was a task masker and not a decent dude, right,
And she would meet all of these people as she's
going through this process, you know, being the little pop
star in Canada that she is making videos, meeting record producers,

(32:42):
all of these things where you know, she said, when
I was twelve, it wasn't you know, they weren't really
saying anything that bad. You'd have a comment or something
thirteen about the same fourteen, the comments got a little heavier.
But at fifteen, all of a sudden, it was like
all bets are off. Like at fifteen for some reason,
that made it okay for every guy, every man of

(33:02):
power that she ran into to ultimately put her in
an uncomfortable situation. And so this song is really what
all of those experiences were about. Yeah, I can see
that it's tragic. It's tragic. I mean, we both have daughters,
young daughters and to imagine some man in power putting
his moves on I mean a fifteen year eighteen year old.

(33:23):
That's gross. Dude.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
By the way, just one small comment on this. When
Dave Coolier when he heard You Ought to Know, he
ran to the record store, picked up the album, listened
to the whole thing, and he's like analyzing it, going, yeah, crap,
am I all over this album?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Right well.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
One of the things mentioned in this song in particular,
she says, your shake is.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Like a fish, and he's like, that's me.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
He's like, one hundred percent that's me.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
He said.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
It was kind of an inside joke. He would shake
her hand and he's like dead fish me, dead fish me.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
And that is prequel to You Ought to Know right here. Yeah,
I'll go with that, and just on the kind of
mutuality these two songs share that You Ought to Know.
In this song, she talked about how she would was
living in an apartment in La you know, as they're
going through this process, and she ran into her landlord
and her landlord before yes, female landlord, and she said

(34:16):
the landlord said, oh, hey, I'm so you know, so
impressed how well you're doing. She goes, I got to
tell you the truth. When your album came out, I
didn't really like it, and then I got divorced, and
now I love it.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Right, that's right, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
This is divorced mom rock. This is what this is.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, all right, next song on the album, this song
is called Forgiven.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
The thing about this album, I remember listening to this
for the first time and hitting this song like, Holy cow,
this is like, this isn't like anything I've ever heard.
It's not only not like anything else on the album,
it's not like any other song I've ever heard. She's
got a different melody. I don't know, I don't know
what scale she's in, but this is a this is
an entirely different feel than anything you were hearing at

(35:17):
the time.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
So this song, it just keeps getting better and better
throughout the song, and she's hitting that.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I mean, she's.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Getting it vocally.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
A lot of passion, a lot of Catholic guilt in
this song.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
She talked about how she thought and it was taught
in the church that if she wasn't a virgin when
she got married, she was a horror going hell. It
comes out in this song, and uh, there's a lot
of passion there, yeah, a lot of anger. Yes, So
I love it.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I think this is a fantastic song. This is so emotional.
And I think that was the other part. You know,
you talked about how basically they were writing and recording
so quickly that by the time she listened to it,
she had forgotten. She's saying, that's right, but that there's
something about that immediacy that captured the past that they had.
And so I don't remember which one it was for sure,

(36:04):
but I think it's right through. You bear with me
if I got this wrong. Okay, but at least one
of these songs that she has is just their demo version.
You know, they went back and they modified a lot
of songs, but she really like loved the demo version
because they captured that raw appeal, that moment in time
where she was feeling what she had just written down. Sure,

(36:25):
and the record company was like, well, we really need
to we need to clean this up and make it
a little more radio friendly and all this other stuff,
and she goes to appease them. We were because at
first we're like, no, this is so perfect as it is.
Don't mess this up and they're like, yeah, but really
and they're like, oh, you know, she's a new artist. Okay,
So they re recorded the whole song. Got a call
back the next day from the record label and they're like, Okay,

(36:47):
we listened to both of them. We're gonna go ahead
and go with the demo. I love it. Yeah, I
love it.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I was worried when we started this. I thought, man,
I'm gonna have to turn in my man card after
this because I'm just gonna gush over this album. I'm
so glad that you're with me on this thing.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Dude, can't I mean not to you know, we're gonna
we're gonna reach the end of a three album comparison
at the end of this, guys. Okay, so we've got
this album, We've got Jewel Pieces of You, We've got
no doubt Tragic Kingdom. I owned every single one of
these albums. And I'm sorry that a little spoiler alert
if you if you don't want to hear this, cover
your ears for about three seconds. But Jason literally said

(37:20):
to me, this might be the best album of the nineties,
and you might be right.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I mean, I thought I was gonna be on my
own on that. No, this genuinely is one of the
best albums of the nineties. I mean, and that's in
that's in a huge family of fantastic albums. I mean,
you know how I feel about Ten, how I feel
about Nevermind, how I feel about Throwing Copper. I mean,
there's Black Album, all of these just incredible albums, and

(37:47):
this album is easily in the conversation for best of
them all.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
There you Go, Yeah, next song on the album, Here
we Go. This is my favorite song.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
On the album. I thought you said it was you.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, this is the conversation. I love them all, but
the puppiness of this one really appeals to me. I
don't see that this song is called.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
You learn rag. I'm walking around swallowing.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Okay. So when she was a kid and the and
the pop star in Canada, she's got this record producer
that they got hooked up with that was her uncle
Joe or whatever, and he calls her to say, hey,
we need to redo some of these vocals. And when
she gets there, he's like, we're not here to do
the vocals. We have to talk about your weight. And
she had been putting on a little weight. She's going

(38:55):
through puberty, for goodness sake, so she had put on
a little bit of weight. And he was like, we
got we got to do some restrictions here. And so
he would eat like half a p when they go out,
you know, in the evening, half a pizza, and she
would get black coffee, maybe as midge of cream to
you know, to be able to digest it or whatever.

(39:16):
And she said they would have velveta cheese slices in
the refrigerator and she would sneak down at three am
and eat a couple of slices, maybe one slice of
velveted cheese. The next day he would count the slices
and say, did you eat one of these slices last night?
Say all that to say she went through We talked

(39:37):
about the Weindeine sixty nine guys and Dave Coolier and
all of that. She went through some really really bad stuff.
But as you pointed out, had she not gone through
all of that, we probably wouldn't have this album.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
We would not have this album.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
And that's what this song is about. I love it.

(40:10):
This is about you know, I recommend getting your heart
trampled on by anyone because you live and you learn.
There you go. You take all of these horrible things
and you grow from them. Yeah, Jesus, this is a
nineteen year old girl bringing the knowledge and wisdom. I'm
just incredible.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
By the way, if you've listened to this song ever
in your entire life, you know that the title of
the album comes from this song. Swallow it Down. What
a jagged little pill feels so good swimming in your stomach?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Right? Yep? Did you watch the video? Which one is
this one? She's like walking.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Around, she keeps interacting with people, she's she shoots baskets,
and she gets in a boxing fight and she's walking around.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I don't really remember it that well. I guess it's
like I figured I probably would remember them all.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
But the thing that stands out is her hair. It's
kind of like it's like napping together.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I can't remember that.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, So it looks like she's doing back walkovers like
a gymnast move and shooting baskets.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's a fun video. It's a fun song. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
And there is a breakdown in the middle of this
song where she's just making noise with her voice.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
Yeah, And I'm blown away.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
This was the most successful single in Canada in nineteen
ninety six, and it was the fourth single released in
the US.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Great song didn't chart on the Hot one hundred. You
can't believe that only two of these songs charted on
the Hot one hundred. What's going on? It doesn't make
any sense. I read some stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
About the release of singles and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
You were talking to me about that, about how they
didn't really release individual singles, and I was looking at him,
like I can see the album. But I think maybe
what it is is they didn't release the singles in
the US. They were kind of pushing the album sales,
which obviously worked. I mean, it's the bush did the second.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Or third collective sold did the same thing, so obviously
sold a ton of albums by doing this, But that
probably is part of the reason that the singles as
they were, which I think, like I looked in there,
like this is the single cover for Europe and this
is the single cover for Canada.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I think they didn't release it in the US and
that's probably why they didn't chart as well as normally
singles would. If you know the answer, hit us up
on the phone lines. We are here to learn just
like you.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
All right, I hate to leave this one too early,
but the next song on the album is called head
over Feet.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I have no choice but to hear you. You stay
in your case n again.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Okay, after you watch you ought to Know for the
first time, you still probably don't know what she really
looks like. Like the video is fuzzy, her hair's over
her face the whole time, and she's swinging all yeah,
it's all just very cloudy. After you watch this video,
you have every detail of her face memorized.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Really, you have like you can see pores and like
the imperfections in her skin. It's four minutes of a
close up on her face.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, I told you just now it's like this. I
fell in love with her watching this video, right like usful. Yeah,
it's it's not that she's beautiful, it's just that she's real,
you know, like she's she's not just a starlet. She's
not some hot girl who sings. She's real.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, yeah, I get it inside. This video was released
September of ninety six, and yeah, all it is is
a shot of her face. Now, I told you that

(43:53):
she's obviously lip singing to make the music video and
then sometimes she just takes a break.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, she's the.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Lyrics are the song is still playing, but she's not
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Not doing it right now? Yeah, so she I mean,
of course, Also, the lyrics of this song are very
much a love song, right, this is about falling in love.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
It's actually like appreciating a boyfriend rather than wanting to
slash his tires exactly. Yeah, so she grew a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, well, she didn't have all bad relationships. So after
MCA dropped her, By the way, did I go into that?
I don't think I went into that, all right. So
she's a pop star in Canada. She starts to do
different music and she's starting to write things that are
more personal to her, and the record label is like,
why are you doing this? Go with the stuff you

(44:39):
know that you've been doing and stop trying to change,
and she's like, sure, I should just stay the way
I was at fifteen for the rest of my life.
That makes a lot of sense. And here's a Debbie
Gibson album, go make this. Yeah. And so when she
was like I just want to I want to write
the songs that I want to write, They're like, Okay,
you go do that by yourself. And they cut her
from MCAO. That's how she goes out to LA. She's

(45:01):
trying to find people to write with, and she said,
I think she met with like four people who are
all very nice, but they wanted to write their music
and not her music. And Glenn Ballard was totally different.
He was the one that said, well, tell me about you.
What's important to you that we can that we can
write music about. And that's what made her say, this
is my guy, this is the one. This is the

(45:22):
one that I want to write these songs with. I
love it.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
I heard her talk about her philosophy on writing. She said,
first thing I do is I go live life and
then I write about what I did.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
That's a very earnest Haming way of her.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
There you go, yeah, all right, are we done with
this one?

Speaker 2 (45:36):
We can move on. It's another song that I love.
There's not a bad song on this album. Nope, there
is not.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
No.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Next song is called Mary Jane.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Stunt. It's beautiful. What's it about.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I don't know, not marijuana. I'm convinced it's not about
Marilla's not I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
You know. They call the Little shoes Mary Jane's, you
know that the little girls wear. And I feel like
this is just a it's a conversation with her former self.
I'd go with that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Beaumont Tench, the guy who plays with Tom Patty. I'm
probably saying his name wrong. I know he played keys
on this song. Oh didn't charge her.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
She took him out to dinner. Thirty three million copies.
That's great, all right?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
I mean, next song, another absolute nineties iconic song, iconic,
A little bit iconic, don't you think?

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Think a little bit too iconic?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I really do think.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
All right, this song is called ironic.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
It's death rob part of two Minutes too Late and ironic.

Speaker 8 (47:20):
It's okay, now what you're gonna say?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
And yes, everybody knows that nothing that she mentions is
actually ironic. Thank you for checking that.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I mean, Paul step Aside, We're not We're not fielding
any of that.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
You get it. They are unfortunate, tragic, even in certain circumstances.
Not ironic except that the Oxtra Dictionary literally changed the
definition of the word ironic. How about that because of
this song? How about that is fair? I mean, this
song was everywhere and I mean people generally. I mean,

(48:05):
how many times have you said, well, it's ironic, and
then you probably didn't think about it, But if you had,
you meant, no, it's not ironic. It's tragic, it's terrible,
it's awful. It's not ironic. But that's okay. It's really
about the words, you know. And when they asked her
about this, she's like, I thought maybe one hundred people
would hear this song, so I wasn't really thinking about
that's right, that's right, right. And they told her they
were like, you know, this album if they if we

(48:27):
sell one hundred and fifty thousand copies, maybe hundred and
seventy five thousand, we'll be doing great.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
All we want to do is get another album.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
And all that. And when she heard that, she's like, ash,
that's a lot of people. Wow, try thirty million on
for size. Well, yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, I will tell
you this.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
She didn't really like this song as much, but she
liked the chorus so much.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
She loves singing the chorus.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, And she has a knack for writing catch choruses well.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
And this song, this is the one song that Glenn
Ballard has a lyrical writing credit on like he was
a part of the lyrics writing for this one. He
you know, he was her encourager and her mentor, and
he wrote the music for a lot of this stuff,
but this is the one that he actually contributed some
lyrics to. And she kind of wanted the whole album
to be her album. Fortunately, there were other human beings

(49:17):
who were like, please put this song on the album. Please,
and she she acquiesced, and once again, thirty million albums.
I have to think at least half of them are
because of this song.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
This song reached number four on the Hot one hundred.
This is the highest charting song on the album. Yeah,
Celen Dion kept her out of the number one spot.
More mom rock in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's crazy, man, But hey, I'm not complaining. I even
like some of those Celen Dion songs, right, and even
some of the Shanaia Dwayne songs. Sure, and Wayne well,
I mean, I like girl music. I realized it in
the nineties, you know, as I'm I'm wrapping up Jaggie
little Pill and I'm throwing in pieces of you and

(50:04):
then I'm grabbing No doubt, I'm just like dude, I
saw a lot of perform, and if you get to
see a girl perform live, she'll melt your heart. Man,
she really will, I mean beautiful or not. If she
can sing, her attractive level increases exponentially.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
It should be said also that she's basically our age.
She's right between you and I.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Oh yeah, Like, yeah, you're seventy three, she's seventy four,
I'm seventy five. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Also, we can't really skip this video.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Let's talk about the video.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I don't like the video at all.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Tell me why.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Well, first of all, I think the song is awesome,
but it's four versions of herself in a car and
one of us. She's acting like she drives the short
bus to school, she's acting like a spaz. I mean,
it's just.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
She's being different facets of herself. Right. She's got the
serious one, she's got the boss, she's got the crazy one.
She's got the lighthearted, fun one. She's just trying to
show you she's not all angry girl all the time. Right.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
She was kind of pegged as the angry girl she was.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And so yeah this I remember watching this and thinking, Okay,
she can cut loose, she can have a little fun,
be a little goofy. I dig it. It was goofy. Yeah.
She was definitely good. It was good fun. I really
enjoyed it. Yeah, if you like it, then I like it.
That sounds good. By the way, we.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Should mention she was engaged to Ryan Reynolds. Okay, they
didn't ever get married, right, he ran often married. Scarlett
Johansson ran off.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, okay, but I mean she's doing okay, Yeah, this
is a catch as far as I understand. It's kind
of a stud. Yeah, but yeah, and they're both Canadians,
so they got that going for him. Those Canadians.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
They're proud. Yeah, shout out to our buddy Cameron record.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
By the way, side note on this, like when they
do this tour, right and Taylor Hawkins of course gets
hired on as the drummer. He then like he's he says,
this is not only the best concert experience, the most
debauchrous concert experience, he said, which I mean you just
think about that. He's he toured for decades with food Fight,

(52:08):
right and and yeah, and he says, yeah, no, it
was it was. It was the Elanas Morris set tour
and forgive me put your hands over your children's ears.
He was like, we were trying to bang every girl
that we can. So this is horrible, right, You've got
all of these sweet little teenage girls who are in
love with Elanas Morris Set who are coming to see

(52:30):
her concert, and they've got a deal arranged with the roadie,
like at some back dressing room somewhere to give them
back passes. They think they're coming to meet Alana's and
they meet the band and the band's trying to bang them.
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
It's a little bit ironic, oh Dutch think.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yes, And they felt and I don't know how bad
he feels about it, but but he's but he was like,
it's it's terrible what we we got mad. Yeah, he
was like, you know, I felt disrespectful to her, and
she was like, yeah, it was disrespect to me. And
she was really mad. But then she was like, what
am I gonna do? Find five more guys who are
gonna do the same thing but not play as good

(53:07):
as these guys and so, and she laughed about it.
You know, she's she's got a sense of humor even
about the incredibly inappropriate and tragic stuff that her bands was.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
All right, next song on the album. This song is
called not the Doctor.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
I don't want to be the fillers the void souly yours.
I don't want to be our glass of Cimamot whisky
hidden in the bottom drawer. I don't want to be
abanda chion is not mine.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Lends some fresher.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
So this is another one that wasn't like super well
known worldwide, but that we we covered in the band
with that girl that I had singing with us, and
I loved it. It's again It's just another facet of
the very variety of things that she was singing about,
of just of like I'm tired of being your crutch
all the time, man, I mean, like grow a pair,

(54:05):
like stop coming to me with every single problem.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Right, Not the Doctor right, by the way, this is
like a low key favorite for me on this album.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I love it. I love it. Taurus is great.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
It's catchys it in.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Hours and nine to five and a show a ten
past six nine and she would find somebody.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
To say stands too much to ask fun.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Love it. It's fantastic. Last song on the album, Okay
now I told you like we saw each other last week,
I came in. I'm like, well, I just listened to
Jagged Little Pill head to toe for the first time
in probably twenty five years. Yeah, I would guess sure,
and I knew every word to every song, same this one.

(55:00):
This song. Really I heard this song and I'm like,
I don't remember this song at all. I don't remember it. Wow, Okay,
So yeah, somehow this one got I don't know, some
other memory took its place. I don't know what it is,
but it got flushed from the memory breaks. So play
it for me again.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
This song is called wake Up Young.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
It's warm and my crane.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Okay, So I have to think that this is my
You're perfect right, like, this is my song that I
was just like okay, which again, not to say it's
a bad song. It's a fantastic song, right, compared to
many other songs, way better. But when you're surrounded by
all of these home runs. Yeah, it's a double, right,

(56:02):
which is not bad. Double's good, that's right. It doubles good.
Not a base hit. It's a double That's the way
I feel about perfect right. But it's just not it's
not as good as the rest of the See.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I love this song.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
It's a it's a perfect closer, it kind of winds
the album down. It's still it's still peppy, but it
starts to kind of fade out and they she doesn't
say the words wake up until the last two words
of the song, very end of it, she says, wake up.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
So I got a question for you, all right, So,
can you name me one song that's in a lot
of song that's not on this album that you love. Yes,
tell me. I love thank you.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I love Uninvited, and I love hands.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Cleaning very good. So thank you is how she usually
ends the show. Okay, saying thank you to the audience
basically is the way that she's doing, which is a
great way to go. And if you had asked me
that question, I absolutely was, said Uninvited. When I bought

(57:34):
the I say, I bought I be Amied the City
of Angels soundtrack, Yeah, yeah, and that song, I mean,
I was just blown away how good Uninvited was. And
she said she you know, she saw a rough cut
of the movie, went home to a piano, wrote in
ten minutes, right, and it's so freaking good. But I

(57:54):
just I need to say this like she was a
nineteen year old girl. She meets this guy who is
is going to lift her up instead of crawling on
her back, right, and she writes twenty songs with him
and they and they come out with this album, right yeah,
and get turned down by everyone, right. And then once
they do have an audience, she's shown up in workout

(58:17):
clothes with this one other guy, right who allbeit he
has written some big hits in the past, right, let's go.
And so she goes from that. They take You Ought
to Know to k Rock and they're like, hey, we've
got this new girl. We would like you to listen
to her CD and I remember to listen to listen
to the DJ talk about this. She's like, we live
every time we listen to a song for the first time.

(58:38):
We put it on ten, like we're cranking it, baby. Yeah,
she said, we listened to this song and our eyes
were bugging out. I mean, which yes, I mean are
you thinking of me when you f her? Would she
go down on you in a movie theater? It's it's
not a it's not about those things, but those will
make your eyes pop. But it's just the fact that
she's this girl who's this angry, jaded lover song. They

(59:03):
are like, you don't need to sell us on this
at all. They immediately take the CD from the listening
room to the DJ and say, play this now. Wow,
whatever you were about to play, put it aside. Play
this now. They play it and the phone line start
lighting up. That's so cool, man. So she's literally gone

(59:24):
from nothing, Like Glenn didn't get paid. He hung out
with her for nothing. She is a girl in an
apartment and now they're playing her on k Rock, and
now she's on MTV, and now she has a band
that she has to put together to do a tour,
and within a year she's selling millions of records. She's

(59:44):
touring the world. She's like these guys who just worked.
They just thought, okay, hey, we're going to be a
supporting band for this new girl. Like their first show
that they did together was just a little like show
at the Maverick Record label, right right. They had to
practice together for a while to get the songs. And
this is the first time they've ever performed as a group.
And within the year they are selling out stadiums. It's

(01:00:07):
truly an amazing story. We talk about it overnight success, Like, yeah,
she was a big pop star in Canada first. But
and without those experiences, you don't get this album. But
she literally went from nothing to everything in no time.
It was a nuclear bomb.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Is it fair to say Kurt Cobain was the male
voice of the nineties and Alanis Morrissett was the female
voice of the nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
As far as the jaded, disenfranchised teenage crowd goes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I don't think Shania Twain's carrying the no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
She's like she was pop yep, yep. Okay, guys, I
hope you enjoyed this one. Come back next week we're
going to talk We talk about Jewel next, ye, no
doubt jewel, all right, talking about Jewel Pieces of You next.
We'll follow that up with No doubt Tragic Kingdom. And
at the end of all that, we will give you
our ranking one, two, and three, gold, silver, and bronze.
Which of these albums is the best? Down? So thank you, guys,

(01:01:02):
appreciate you. Thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
We'll see you next time.