October 28, 2025 • 52 mins
This week, Jason and Dee go full moon and monster mash as they kick off a two-part showdown between two beloved 80s cult classics — Teen Wolf (1985) and The Monster Squad (1987)!
In Part 1, the guys dig into the origins of both films, tracing how Jeph Loeb and Matthew Weisman brought the all-American werewolf comedy to life, while Shane Black and Fred Dekker crafted their monster-loving homage to the Universal classics. Along the way, Jason and Dee break down the cast of Teen Wolf — from Michael J. Fox’s breakout charisma to the underappreciated heart of the movie — and finally answer the burning question that has puzzled fans for decades… how did “Boof” get her nickname?!
Grab your letterman jacket and your silver bullets — it’s time to relive the fur, fun, and freaky genius of 80s monster movies!
In Part 1, the guys dig into the origins of both films, tracing how Jeph Loeb and Matthew Weisman brought the all-American werewolf comedy to life, while Shane Black and Fred Dekker crafted their monster-loving homage to the Universal classics. Along the way, Jason and Dee break down the cast of Teen Wolf — from Michael J. Fox’s breakout charisma to the underappreciated heart of the movie — and finally answer the burning question that has puzzled fans for decades… how did “Boof” get her nickname?!
Grab your letterman jacket and your silver bullets — it’s time to relive the fur, fun, and freaky genius of 80s monster movies!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lions and tigers and bears. Oh my wait, wrong creatures.
This week, Jason and d are doing a deep dive
on a van surfing basketball playing teenage werewolf versus a
group of classic movie monsters on the hunt for a
magic amulet who will come out on top. Grab your
silver bullets, garlic, wooden steaks, and holy water and join
the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast as they discussed
(00:20):
nineteen eighty fives teen Wolf and nineteen eighty sevens Monster Squad.
And remember, if all else fails, kick him in the nards.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
All right, D, I got three piece of advice for
you before we start the podcast today. Number one, never
get less than twelve hours of sleep. Number two, never
play cards with a guy whose first name is a city.
And number three, never go near a lady with a
tattoo of a dagger on her body. You stick with
those three things, and everything else is cream cheese.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Welcome back to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast, everybody.
We are here today for our special annual Halloween episode,
and have we got a couple of very special movies
for you guys. These are a couple of movies that
you could sit down with your little kids and watch.
I mean, I would go so far as to say
nine ten years old totally fine watching these movies.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What do you think For the most part, I think
there's a couple of things in Teenwolf that might you
might want to keep away from your ten year old.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
But yeah, there's some closet and jello moments that maybe
you're a little advanced, but probably less than anything they've
seen in TikTok. Guys, we are talking today about two movies,
one from nineteen eighty five, one from nineteen eighty seven,
first one being Teen Wolf and the second being The
Monster Squad. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I can't wait to talk about these two movies because
both of these have a special place in my heart.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So did you watch these movies in the theater? I
saw Teen Wolf in the theater for sure. Okay, yeah,
well so, yeah, one hundred percent. Like I was right
after Back of the Future, I was Michael I probably
even before, but I was Michael J. Fox obsessed at
that point. So I absolutely saw Teen Wolf in the theater.
And I know that I saw Monster Squad in the
theater as well. Yeah, it was because my brother was
going to go see The Lost Boys and I was
(02:01):
not allowed to watch that because that was a rated
R scary movie. But this was basically the next best thing.
I mean, you still got at least one vampire that
you've got in this movie. I remember it, and I
remember liking it very well, and then it just disappeared.
I was just like, why don't I ever hear about
this movie anymore? And unfortunately, at that time in my life,
I didn't have HBO, and so you know, I had
friends who had seen it on HBO and they liked it.
(02:24):
But you couldn't rent it. You didn't, I mean, there
was no VHS. It was a bummer.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I saw it on HBO. And it's funny that you
mentioned the Lost Boys because that, in my opinion, is
one of two movie reasons why the Monster Squad got buried. Yes,
you want to go ahe and tell you what, sure,
all right? So so for me that summer of nineteen
eighty seven, the Lost Boys came out at the very
end of July, which the public said, this is awesome.
(02:48):
We want cool teenage badass vampires. Yep, we don't want
the little rascals. At that time, yeah, I mean, this
movie bombed at the theaters. And I found its audience later,
which I think is super cool.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I said, do you like we've this is a kind
of a unique circumstance because because we really have two movies,
one which probably shouldn't have made it but did, and
one that probably should have made it but didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
If you look at Monster Squad and you look at Goonies,
which came out just a couple of years before, I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's just yeah, it's basically the same thing.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean, you've got the same mom.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, Mary Elin Trainer.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Right, all right, I asked you, Mary Allen Trador hot, not.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Hot, not hot, not hot. I have to disagree with
Bill Murriam skroaged. I think he was just ready to
go on anybody.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
That, hey, Roberts a Mechis thought she was hot. Well,
kind of interesting that Roberts a Mechis back to the future,
Teen Wolf, Monster Squad.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
There's all kinds of overlap with not only these movies,
but with the people involved in all of the movies.
I mean, still many of the movies that we've talked
about in the past.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yes, by the way, speaking of a movie that we
talked about in the past, the other movie that buried
The Monster Squad.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, is Dirty Dancing.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, yeah, of course, sure, in between Lost Boys and
Dirty Dancing, and there's a brief moment in time where
you could get a hit.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, but it it didn't happen. I'm gonna go so
far as to say that had they changed their marketing tactic,
this movie would have been a success. But I think
they they did an absolute dismal failure on marketing this movie,
and so it didn't have time to gain momentum and
build up the following in the theater because it was
in and out so quickly.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You mentioning that is very curious because one of these
movies was marketed poorly and did poorly, and the other
one was maybe marketed the greatest of all.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Time, pretty genius. Yeah yeah, I mean, just on that note,
and we can talk more about this later. But right
before The Monster Squad came out, Lethal Weapon came out,
like six months before Lethal Weapon came out. If your
advertising campaign is The Monster Squad by the writer of
Lethal Weapon, you got a million more people that are
(04:56):
going to come see that movie. Yeah. I don't understand
that at all. No me neither, poor, poor job. Yeah, okay,
Well let's jump into how these movies got started and
uh and enjoy the ride.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, hey, all right, all right, so we talked about
teen Wolf first.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, because that's the ride, right. I mean, you've got
to go surfing, right, we got to go. I gotta
go do some vandsurfing.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Everybody's gone siff and you got.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Your body surf shop shirt on. I have my teen
Wolf and my little funko pop guy over here. By
the way, if we make it through the entire podcast
without knocking him over, it is a success win by
Mesh when by both of us. Yep, okay, So teen Wolf.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, for one thing, you're gonna be able to do
a lot of things the other guys.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Aren't, oh like, uh, chase cars and bite the mailman.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Got to start with the rider. You know, the guy
that came up with the idea. We've talked about him before.
I know that some of our listeners want to say
his name, are gonna be like, oh, I didn't know
he wrote this, but they will remember that we have
talked about him before. So the guy who wrote this
is named Jeff Lobe. Okay, and when I said something
to you like as we always do. I'm driving and
talking to you and you're like, I remember that name.
(06:01):
I'm like, well, good, I'm glad that you can not
remember it, so that I know it's okay to tell
you guys about it again. So, Jeff Looeb was famous
in comic books. First, he I mean he was involved
with you know, pick a comic. He was involved with it,
Spider Man, Captain America, Batman, and specifically Batman The Long Halloween.
It's one of my favorites, right, It's monumental. Right, So
(06:24):
he had been involved with comic books, and this was
the first film script that he ever wrote, or at
least the first one that ever got made into a movie.
And so we've mentioned him before when we talked about Batman. Okay,
The Batman Okay, because Matt Reeves was a student in
Jeff Loeb's writing class. He had a screenwriting class and
(06:47):
Matt Reeves, who directed The Batman, was in that class. Now, interestingly,
matt reeves first script that got made into a movie
was Under Siege two, which he was embarrassed by. Hey,
but I mean he was trying to he was trying
to do kind of a die hard knockoff and they
put it on a boat or whatever, you know, die
Hard on a boat. But Jeff Loeb is actually the
one that modified it after it had been acquired, and
(07:11):
it was his. It was Jeff Loebe's finished product that
became the actual under Siege movie. That and all of
the stupid stuff that Steven Sigall wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Hey, I've seen Underseags two. Let me just say this.
I'm just gonna put this out there.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Under Siege one, Yeah, very enjoyable, fun action movie. Steven Sagall,
Tommy Lee Jones, Gary Busey, Erica Alaniac, It's it's great.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Under Siege two you.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Actually get a young Catherine Heigel.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
It's it's terrible.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Okay, So this is the first script that Jeff Loeb
has that's made into a movie. He's been a comic
book guy. And we talked about him when we talked
about the Batman, but I also said we talked about
him earlier this year.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
It dawned on me after we hung up the phone
what it was.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Do you remember now?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It was Commando?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Commando is correct? Now? Do you remember that who Commando
was supposed to be kind of based on out of
the comic books Sergei Rock, Sergeant Rock, Who Sergeant Rock
is the comic book that a character? And Predator Another
Arnold movie. Another movie we've covered, another movie we've covered.
There's a guy in that movie who's reading the Sergeant
(08:15):
Rock comic book. And who is that?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
That is Shane Black who wrote Muster Squad. There you go,
all right, so isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
That's crazy? Okay? Yes, So Jeff Loeb writes the script
for Teenwolf, but he has a partner, you guts a
story on that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, So I found this really interesting. They actually broke
down their writing style for this, and I thought, man,
you and I need to try this because I thought
it was brilliant.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, So Jeff lob and a guy named Matthew Weisman
with the guys who wrote this, they were fresh out
of film school yep. And what he said was Jeff
knew what to write and Matthew knew how to write. Okay,
So here's what they did. Well.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
First of all, let me back up.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
They were invited to pitch movie ideas to Atlantic. Atlantic
had just had this big hit with Girl and they
were looking for this money making formula. They needed something
mega cheap that would make you know, big bucks. Seems
like a brilliant idea. So they came in. They were
invited to pitch ideas. They came in, they pitched about
ten or eleven ideas, and so they're you know, it's
(09:17):
one of those things where it's like we think, you know,
die hard on a ship, you know, Okay, you know,
and it was just kind of pitched ideas. And when
they left, you know, you got a call back. And
so Jeff got the call back from the studio and
they say we want you to make one.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You know. He's like, oh, what is it? What is it?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And they're like teen Wolf and he's like oh, he
was like that really, that's the one you chose out
of those ten. So he called his friend Matthew Wiseman,
who was, you know, going to help him write this.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
And Matthew's like what they say? What they say?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
He's like, well, they want to make one. He's like
which one. He's like teen Wolf and Matthew wis was
like huh. Both of them were like that's.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
The one they chose.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Really, Yeah, it was interesting. Those so Jeff Lobes said
in a script about fifty things or so happen. Okay,
not fifty scenes, but fifty things. And so he's talking
about how okay, you know, Scott and Booth were walking
down the sidewalk.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's a thing.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Styles drives up in a crappy old car.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
That's a thing.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And so he would write these things on like cards,
and he would put these cards up and then he
would give the cards to Matthew, and then Matthew would
kind of weave the things together and he would write
the dialogue. And this is the cool part. So they
would chase each other through the script. So he'd give
him like ten ideas and then Matthew would write like
ten pages, so he'd give the pages to Jeff. Jeff
(10:41):
would give him ten more things, and then Jeff would
like kind of go over what his screenplay was, and
they just kind of weaved it together.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And you know, that's a great team right there. Yeah.
I thought it was cool.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
When Atlantic greenlit Teenwolf, they said, here's the deal. We
need this back in three weeks, and we also need
you guys to do it for about four thousand dollars.
And they were like, okay, sounds good. Let's do it
four grand three weeks. With a work split between two people.
But they're getting their script made into a movie.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah. Right.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
They were even producers for a time, like before, they
had brought on producers for the movie they would be.
They were consulted on who the director for the movie
would be.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
So I got the story on the director. If you
want that, sure tell me. Okay, okay. So the director
is a guy named Rod Daniel. Okay. Now, he grew
up in Tennessee. His dad was a doctor, actually was
the founder of one of the founders of the Board
of Thoracic Surgery. It was totally expected that Rod was
going to go to school and also be a doctor.
(11:38):
But when he got back from Vietnam, he was like,
I don't want to do that. I want to I
want to go do other things, and so shut out.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I changed my mind.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, And so he started working in an advertising agency
and through the advertising agency, directed a few commercials. And
he had a buddy named Hugh Wilson. Have you heard
the name Hugh Wilson before Las Academy? You got it, buddy, Yes, right,
all right, I find that that is awesome. Yes, So
Hugh Wilson before Police Academy was the guy who created
(12:09):
and wrote and produced a TV series called WKRP in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
UKRP and Cincinnat.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yep, that's it. And so Rod Daniel had gone out
to Hollywood was interested in making films. Actually he hadn't
really developed it at that point, but he sits in
on the pilot episode of WRKRP in Cincinnati. He watches
what the guy's doing and he's like, I could do this.
And he says, I'm not normally a pushy guy, but
in this instance, I was like, Hugh, I can do this.
(12:38):
I can direct it. And so he made him an
assistant producer. Eventually he started directing. He ended up directing
about thirty three episodes of WKRP in Cincinnati. Cool. So,
but his perspective on it, and this is what he said,
Television is just a machine. It's a sausage machine. It's
just like you just got a crank crank, crank, crank crank.
And what he really wanted to do was direct a film.
(12:58):
And Atlantic had this film that they wanted and needed
a director for and they were going through all of
these directors and every director they'd say, what is this
movie about? And they'd say, it's about a Teenage where Wolf,
that seems like the obvious thing. So Rod Daniel was
the only guy that said it's about a father and
a son. And it was because he said it's about
a father and a son that he got tapped to
be the director of this movie. Now, whenever we've been
(13:21):
talking multiple times, and we'll talk about Michael J. Fox
in just a second, you keep saying Growing Pains fifty times,
and I was like, Okay, if we can make it
through the episode with the without you calling Family Ties
Growing Pains, that'll be another win. Right. But next movie
that he directed after Teen Wolf, do you know it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Like father, like son? Who starred in Growing Pains?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Right, Kirk Cameron, Kirk Cameron from Growing Pains, That's right,
and also Dudley Moore from Arthur Go check Out. Are
just our second to last episode before this on Christopher Cross.
But anyway, before that, he is interviewing people for the
main part of teen Wolf, met Michael J. Fox. He
liked him instantly, like this, this is our guy for sure.
Right now, Michael J. Fox had been on Family Ties,
(14:07):
was still on Family Ties, but it was a weird
circumstance that happens that allows him to be able to
go to make this movie. Now, if you go back
to season one, ladies and gentlemen, you and are very
what is our second or third series? We did Back
to the Future versus Raiders of the Lost right, and
we talked at that time about how Michael J. Fox
(14:30):
didn't get the part initially because he was working family
ties and he couldn't do both the movie and the series.
So then the question is, well, then how did he
do Teenwolf? Because Teenwolf got filmed before Back to the Future,
right right. The reason was he obviously was a very
popular character. But Meredith Baxter, Bernie the mom, got pregnant, yes,
and she had to take twenty five days off. And
(14:52):
twenty five days is how long it took them to
shoot this movie.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Three weeks. Three weeks, yeah, three weeks.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Between October and November of nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
By the way, yeah, what other great movie from the
eighties can we chalk up to somebody's pregnancy where another
actor got the part, knocked it out of the part
while his co star had a baby.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
That would be Moonlighting and the movie is diehard, diehard, Yes, yes,
good job, all right, So and that'll come up. It
already came up. It already came up. Diehard already came
up and came up again.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
All right, thank you, Sivil Shepherd's husband and Perny's husband.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Okay, so I'm gonna rewind just a little bit because
we didn't really dive into Michael J. Fox whenever we
did our Back to the Future episode. Okay, and I
do want to dive in a little bit here. Okay. Yeah,
he was little, like he's still little, right, He's still around,
and he's he's very It was a great when he
won his Emmy or whatever. He got up there and
(15:50):
he's like, oh, man, I feel four feet tall. You know.
He's always been a small guy, and he wasn't a
particularly good student c's and d's mostly in his school.
But he fell in love with acting because it gave
him the opportunity to be somebody that was not himself, right,
and also all the girls were in the drama class.
He's a hockey player, played other sports, but he was like, ooh, drama.
(16:14):
I'm there. I'll tell you what sport.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
He didn't play basketball?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Keep going right, So he does well and he actually
gets some jobs on these Canadian TV shows and is
doing some small time stuff and he's like, this is
what I want to do. And his dad was a
worker and a grinder and always kind of sneered at
him about the things, and he didn't support his acting initially.
But when he came to him and he's like, I'm
(16:42):
no good at high school. I know I can make
it if I go out to Hollywood, but I'm not
going to make it unless I do. His dad said, well,
then I guess that's what we've got to do if
you're that determined to do it. And his dad, even
though they had no money, put it all on the
visa card, drove him out there from Canada, took him
to four auditions. He got called back on all of them. Wow,
(17:03):
And his dad said, you've got this by the tail,
don't let it go. Dropped him off at a tiny,
tiny little studio apartment that had one sink that he
washed his dishes and his hands and his hair in,
and his dad left and he did these little bits right,
but it was like on Trapper John MD, and it
(17:24):
was other like small TV series things, and he was
not making much money and he wasn't getting a whole
lot of parts, and he got to where he was like, well,
I have this sectional. I could sell it, or I
could sell a piece of it. And he sold a
piece of his sectional, so they had money to pay
rent and to eat. And then he sold another piece,
and then he sold another piece, and he was down
(17:45):
to no furniture. He was stealing jelly from the eyehop,
the little free jelly you get to eat, because he
had nothing else to eat. Wow, he was doing McDonald's
commercials at best. You know, that'd be a great payday. Yeah,
he's got one fine, Like the make It or Break
It audition, right, the director doesn't want him, The head
of the studio does not want him. They let him
(18:08):
come in and read for the part. Anyway, as he's
in the room to read for this part, he's like,
oh crap, I like the whole script just went like
he just drops it and it all falls apart. He's like,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, guys, I'm sorry. I'll get this,
you know. And there's just you know a line of
people just watching the director shaking his head. And they
start the scene and he starts saying these lines and
I'm listening to it, and the lines on the page
(18:29):
are not really that funny, but when they come out
of his mouth, everyone in the room is laughing. And
that's how he gets the job of Alex Keaton until
the first episode when he ad libs as he answers
the phone and says, Alex P. Keaton. He gave himself
the middle initial in the first episode of the show.
How about that? There you go. I love it, man,
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That's how he gets the job on Family Ties.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know, just hearing that makes me happy.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Number one.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But when I watched Teen Wolf, I mean, of course
back in the future, but when I watched Teen Wolf,
he owns the screen.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
It's charisma all over the place. Man.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
He I don't I can't even put my finger on it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
He he just has it. It's it. Give me a
keg of beer. He has an uncanny way of delivering
things in a completely believable way that also is a
way that makes you smile or laugh. I mean, he's
just a gifted guy in that regard. And we mentioned
(19:30):
before that he was not able to do back to
the future because of his commitment to Family Ties. Well,
when he got back as he was filming Teenwolf, he
knew they were filming back to the future, like he
knew what was going on. He's like, they were both
filmed in South Pasadena, exactly what is going on across
the street over there that Steven Spielberg is involved in.
(19:53):
And he finds out that Crispin Glover's in it, and
he knows Crispin. He's like, crazy, Crispin is in a
Steven Spielberg movie and I'm doing this be high school
monster movie? What is going on? Right? And it's only
when he gets back that Dave Goldberg I believe is
his name. Goldberg is his last name. I remember that.
It's easy to remember. The director of Family Ties brings
(20:14):
him into his office and says, I have a confession
to make. Stevens gave me this script and we said, Stephen,
he knew exactly who he was talking about. Steven gave
me this script months ago and wanted you, specifically you
for this part. And I told him, no, he can't
have you. I can't spare you. It won't work. But
he felt guilty, like he felt guilty, and he said
(20:36):
that he's just called me back. They've had Eric Stoltz
in there and they don't think he's right, and they're
willing to spend a lot of money to reshoot all
of his scenes, and they're begging me for you and
he says, don't screw me on this, and so literally
the way that it would go. For the however many
weeks they filmed, a teamster would come pick him up
(20:58):
from his tiny, little crappy apartment at nine am. It
would take him over the Paramount lot where he would
shoot all of the family ties stuff. Then at six pm,
another teamster would drive him to wherever they happened to
be shooting on Back to the Future. He would shoot
until just before sunrise. I was like, you noticed that
a lot of the movie is at night time. Yeah,
(21:18):
like a whole lot, Like all of the big fun
scenes there at night. Yeah. That was because that's what
time Michael J. Fox could film. And so just before
dawn they would wrap filming and he would get in
the back of a station wagon with a blanket and
a pillow. The guy the teamster would drive him back
to his studio apartment, frequently have to carry him upstairs,
(21:38):
put him in his bed, and he would get another
couple of hours sleep until another teamster came over, made
a pop of coffee, turned on the shower, got him
out of bed, and started the whole process all over again.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think it was November one, nineteen eighty four. Okay,
he films first thing in the morning to all you know,
basically till six pm growing pains. All right, they picked
me that first thing in the morning. He films all
day family ties, then he does pickups for teen Wolf.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Oh yeah, the pickups.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Then he goes and films Back to the Future all
night long. Oh so he actually did three things in
one glorious day in nineteen.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Eighty This is crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So when he's done with all of this, he knows
how exhausted he is, right, he knows that he's been
struggling on family Ties. He knows he's been struggling as
they've filmed Back to the Future, and he's just like,
I can't believe that I've I've f this up. There's
no way that it can be good. It just can't
be good. As bad as I've been, there's no way
it can be good. And his agent called him and
(22:49):
said I saw the movie, and he's like, I'm so sorry.
I just exhausted. And the guy's like it's great.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Which movie we're talking about now back to the Future.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Oh yeah, you're going to be a star. Yeah. And
so what happens with teen Wolf is that they said
this film first, they're smart. When was their original release date.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's supposed to be in March, in March of nineteen
eighty five, which that kind of lines up with basketball season, right, Sure,
they release it in football season in August of nineteen
eighty five.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And what came out in July of eighty five had
me back.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
To the Future, right they So, the producers of Teen
Wolf got wind of Back to the Future. They knew
it was Spielberg, they knew it was big budget, and
they knew that the studio had high confidence in its success.
They chose to gamble on Back to the Future and
(23:45):
they held the release of Teen Wolf. They pushed it
to August of nineteen eighty five. August was a time
when you released your junk.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, right, all your crap, All the summer blockbusters are
over by August, that's right.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And they said, nope, we're going to hold. We're going
to go all in on Back to the Future. Released
teen Wolf after Back to the Future, and of course.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It blew up. It blew up. I think the budget
was something like four four million dollars, which is not
very much money. And I don't remember eighty eighty something
eighty something million dollars what it grossed worldwide? Good call on.
Just wait, just let's just wait. Let's just see what happens.
(24:27):
Let's see what happens. Brilliant, All right, Okay, flip over
to monster Squad. So what do you say, A monster
squad or what? Right? So monster squad. So again, something
we've talked about in the past is the Pad, Oh guys,
the Pad of Guys. You remember the Pad of Guys?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I do.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
We first talked about the Pad of Guys. I believe
when we were talking about Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure,
because Ed Solomon was a roommate among the Pad of Guys.
Ed Solomon was a member, a resident, a roommate, a roomy,
a guy who would play football in the yard at
three am and hang around with pizza boxes and unfinished
(25:10):
scripts with the rest of these guys. Also David Silverman,
who wrote The Simpsons, Also David Arnett, who wrote the
Adventures of Ford fair Lane. Also Robert Renault who wrote
Demolition Man. And David Fincher never lived there, but he'd
come hang out with him pretty free. Yes, what So
in addition to those guys, there were a couple of
(25:32):
other guys. One of them was named Shane Black and
the other one was Fred Decker.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
That's insane man. So you know, I think we talked
in our Bill and Tad's episode way back when the
season two maybe that you know ed Solomon they would
go to these classes, like film writing classes, and they
would brainstorm and work and do all this stuff. And
he said, Shane Black did not didn't come to class,
didn't work hard. He was kind of half asleep. And
(25:58):
then the time that he would say something, it was
like Shadow Company.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yes, Vietnam missioning in action guys who come back their
bodies come back as zombies Andreekavic on the which if
you go back and you listen to our Lethal Weapon episode,
by the way, go back and listen to that. Shane
Black showed that script to his brother. His brother said,
it's terrible. Don't do this, yep, and that like it.
(26:24):
It's at that point that he starts writing lethal Weapon.
He veers and he starts writing lethal Weapon. And if
you'll remember, the Shadow Company actually does the name Shadow
Company comes up in Leath the Weapon, yep. But before that,
just before he writes the Lethal Weapon, he's in this.
He had had his parents bankroll him for a year,
just said let me go try to make it as
(26:44):
a writer. And so he's there with these other guys
and Fred Decker is having a little more success. Yeah. Right.
He writes a script that becomes a House, which got
released in nineteen eighty five. Yeah, you've seen that one.
I have unimpressed. No, okay, I mean it's fun, but
that he parlays that into becoming the writer and director
(27:08):
of Knight of the Creeps, which you've covered with Jeff Johnson.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I have, that's right. I love Night of the Creeps
so much fun.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
So he does Night of the Creeps, and you know,
we've got a little momentum building now, right. So this
is eighty six or so, and he's like, okay, he's
watching all they all they do is say sit around
and they watch old TV shows, right, And if you
remember watching old TV shows in the eighties, you probably remember,
like I do, watching the nineteen thirties versions of Dracula, Frankenstein,
(27:39):
and The wolf Man. Well, the wolf Man, I think
was like later, but the Mummy, Yeah, Creature from the
Black Lagoon all known together now as the University Monsters,
the Universal Monsters. That's right. So he's watching that, he's
watching old Little Rascals episodes, and he's like, man, what
if we had like a crossover of like because he's
(28:00):
watching Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein, right, and he's like,
you know, it was like many things. It was fantastic
when the first one came out, and then they would
release next movie, next movie slowly got lower and lower
quality until it was just a joke, he said. But
on the joke movies, the Frankenstein became scary again, you know,
like you got Abbot and Costello. You know, he's freaking
out because the hand that's on his leg is not
(28:22):
his own hand, you know. Yeah, And so he's like, well,
you know, if we had this kind of Abbot and
Costello moment with kids like the Little Rascals with these monsters,
maybe that makes a good movie idea. He suggests it
to Shane Black. Okay, now keep in mind that Shane
Black a little bit later will write Lethal Weapon. He
(28:44):
will also write The Long Kiss good Night, which at
the time that it was sold sold for more than
any other specscript had ever sold for in history, something
like four and a half million dollars. And he's, I mean,
he's in his freaking twenties. He's in his twenties, and
he goes on to write Iron Man three. I mean,
he's he's done a few things right, he's a very
(29:07):
what he got brought into Predator to doctor the script
as they were doing stuff, even though he didn't actually
end up doing it. He just was the guy reading
Sergeant Rock in the background. And I'm making totally inappropriate jokes.
But anyway, he's like, this is I got a quote
him here.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
See it's an echo, It's an echo.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
See. So Shane Black said this about the Monster Squad.
He said, I'm not kidding when I say this. The
Monster Squad was the purest script I ever did, with
the least amount of self consciousness and the most passion.
It was my best script. What so Shane Black, this
(29:56):
script writing icon calls this movie his best script. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And this is the guy who did leave the weapon long, kiss,
goodnight and Iron Man three, like you said.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Tiscus bang bang, all of those yes, did he do
the nice guys. I think he did do the nice guys. Yeah,
that's right. So he writes the script. Fred sees it
and he's like, okay, let's change these things. And basically
they're back and forth on it until really it's kind
of a joint project. And I told you, I just realized,
after you know, weeks of studying this, that means that
this script is a Black and Decker script.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
What a great joke.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
That's next level. Do a good job. Yeah, okay, So
the script gets greenlit. They are very excited because they
everyone is told that they get permission to use the
Universal Monsters. And then a few days later they say, no, wait, no,
we don't. We don't have permission at all. Well you're dead.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
If you can't use the Universal Monsters, you have nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well keep in mind that short of the Wolfman and
Creature from the Black Lagoon, these are already established characters
in literature. This is not the Universal has not does
not have exclusive rights to Dracula or the Monster of Frankenstein.
So there's some maneuverability there, right, Okay, so they got
to change things up and they're making adjustments, right among
(31:12):
the guys that are producing this movie is a guy
named Peter Himes. You know Peter him.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I do know Peter Himes.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Peter Himes the year before had directed twenty ten, the
year we made contact. Right after this, he would go
on to direct Running Scared, which I believe is a favorite.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Advice love Rain Scares. It is one of my favorite
movies of the eighties.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I still haven't seen it. That needs to be one
of those virgin experiences for me. I'll see if you're
like then he did Time Cop and Sudden Death. How
about getting Steven Seagal and Jean Claude Van dam in
one episode that has nothing to do with their movies.
But as as as Fred Decker is filming this movie,
Peter Heim is not happy with him, and he was like,
(31:51):
I'm about to get fired. I know this back. But
fortunately Peter him just said listen, the way you're filming
and to just talked to He coached him, right, He
didn't coached him. He said, listen, you have in your
mind the way this movie is going to go, and
you're filming it for the way that you think it's
going to go. The problem with that is if anything
goes wrong with the way that you're filming it. You
have no net, you've got no backup, You're not doing
(32:13):
enough coverage. And so he's like, do some establishing shots.
And if you watch the movie, you're like, oh, dude,
there's the establishing shot. There's the establishing shot. You get
a master shot out there and show the wide screen.
And he said, not only did it help him, it
kind of helped everybody else understand what was going on
in the scene. So that was acted better, and the
(32:37):
guy's doing all the setwork and all of the other
stuff understood it better. And it was absolutely the right
right call.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It helped his team make a better movie exactly because
of the master shot. By the way, I just wanted
to drop some knowledge on Night of the Creeps, which
I'm a big fan of. You ever seen it?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I have not seen it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Okay, So there's some surely crossover in Night of the
Creeps that I just want to bring up real quick,
just for fun. Okay, So it stuck Tom Adkins, who
is also in leitha weapon. Yes, he's hunts Ecker, gets shot.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Through the milk jug. Yes, through the milk jug. Several
guys get shot. He's the only one that gets shot
in milk.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
That's right, that's right, Gary Busey blows him away.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Right. Also, by the way, an idol of our listener,
Amanda janek Amanaganic loves tom as she calls him love King.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yes, then you have two of the girls from Weird
Science in NIGHTE of the Creeps. Okay, you have camera
is hillyer Deb is one of them, and like the
star of the show is the perfume.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Girl at the mall right, wow, Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
The girl who's like, didn't you two get beat up
at the homecoming dance last year?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Who her name is? Jill?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I think she has one of the greatest will she
or won't she show us her eighties boobs of all time?
And if you don't know what I talk about, just
go watch NIGHTE of the Creeps. Okay, But also starring
in NIGHTE of the Creeps is Jason Lively, who plays
Rusty in European Vacation, which we covered last summer.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah. I think so there you go. Okay, So, just
because you brought Night of the Creeps, I just gonna
say this line. Dead guys do not get up and
walk away by themselves. It's in Night of the Creeps
and it's in the Monster Squad. Oh how about both
of them?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
And then yeah, and then like a dead guy walks by. Right,
that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I've got such a great nugget on casting that I
can't wait to give you.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Okay, all right, So that kind of does it for
the lead up to both of these movies. Let's talk
about casting.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Let's talk about casting. Okay, So let's flip back to
Teen Wolf. We'll go through the casting number one.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Michael J. Fox.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
We talked about him, how he got the part, how
it was a special three week deal because of Meredith
Baxter Bernie's pregnancy.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
You are an animal.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Okay, So I want to bring up a movie real
quick that has some surely connections.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I thought this was fun. So Michael J.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Fox, Beforeteen Wolf, before Back the Future, starred in a
movie called High School, USA.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I saw that movie a bunch of times. Did you
really I had like a bunch of a bunch of
TV stars like old TV, like had bopped inver in
it right, Gilligan, Right it is. I'm like, this may
be the only thing that I remember from the movie,
but I think they wreck his car and then to
get out of trouble for wrecking his car. They get
him drunk, then put him in the wrecked car and
(35:37):
make him think that he wrecked the car. That's drinking
and driver. That's right. Yeah, okay, High School US, Yes,
it's not good.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
It is on TV though, if you want to watch
to be Okay, Michael J. Fox has kind of a
romance with Joe from Family from the Facts of Life.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yea life. Yeah, I kind of like Joe better than Blair.
Actually tell you truth something about Joe. I'll take Blair,
I know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But but it's cool to see a family tie very
Facts of Life crossover right there.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Also in High School USA, Crispin Glover is in that movie.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
That's how he knew crazy Crispin, right, that's right. Okay,
so there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Okay, So before I talked about the rest of the cast,
I want to talk about a guy named Paul Ventura.
He's the casting director for teen Wolf. Okay, okay, Yeah,
this guy does an outstanding job and it's a whole
lot of networking and relationships. So one of the guys
that he knows is James Hampton. Okay, that's the guy
who plays Harold Howard. Okay, Scott Howard's dad.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You knew about this, and you didn't tell me.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I was hoping I wouldn't have to. Sometimes it skips
a generation. I was hoping it would pass you by.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well, it didn't pass me by. It landed on.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
My face and to me other than Scott Howard, Michael J.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Fox. This is the most important character in the entire movie, absolutely,
because it's about a father and his son, about a
father and son.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right, he doesn't credible job of being one of the
greatest fathers in a teen movie.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Think he's just the best. His wife has died, He's
trying to be there for his son. He's not being overbearing,
he's not being a jerk. However, he did fail to
mention that they have a werewolf curse in their family.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
It skips the generation. He thought you might miss him.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It didn't miss my dad on my face, which that
logic doesn't even hold because if he's if he has
grandkids and Scott doesn't know about.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It, he's gonna be like, what the heck is happening.
So but other than that, he does such a spectacular job.
I do love the scene where he and Booth are
playing basketball. You know that that was ad libbed. The
original scene was written as mister Howard and Boof are
sitting at a table. They're drinking cocoa and they're waiting
and Scott comes in and hello, has ever you know?
(37:56):
And James Hampton's like, no, we need we need action,
we need something going on on.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
So he and Susan Rcady are like, let's play basketball.
Both of them not good, right, but they're having fun.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
And he's like, let's just go for it.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
But and you can see they are having fun on screen.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, they really are. Yeah, it and it gives you
that impression that he's known her his whole life, right,
like he's doing a little kid.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, it would be like me playing basketball against life exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
You know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay, before you leave, James Hampton, Yes, did you have more?
Are you about to move on? No?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I was getting ready to say something.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
No, keep going, okay, so on James Hampton, Yes, this
was I was kind of blown away on this one, right. Yeah.
So in the Monster Squad, Yeah, one of the two
kids is played by Robbie Kreiger. Okay, in the early
eighties nineteen eighty one. To be precise, Robbie Kreiger was
with James Hampton in a short lived TV series And
(38:56):
as a matter of fact, I think that Robbie Craiger
was only in the pilot episode. I don't think that
he went on to do others, but he who later
went on to do Monster Squad was with James Hampton,
who later later went on to do Team Wolf in
this TV show called Maggie, which starred Miriam Flynn. Does
that name of ring a bell for you? Yeah, mister Mom? Yes? Yes?
(39:18):
And also cousin Catherine, cousin Eddie's wife in all of
the Vacation movies. It did not last long that show,
but I just thought, Oh, that's crazy that these two,
these two kind of key characters, like really the two
key side characters in both of these movies, happened to
be in a short lived TV show together.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Marion Flynn has one of the funniest moments in Mister
Mom when Jack Butler thinks his wife has been cheating
on him and the phone's ringing and she's like, maybe
should answer it, and he's like, maybe we should answer it.
He rips the phone out of the wall. He's like, hello,
nobody's there. I guess, throws the phone, kicks the TV
and she's just like cringing in the corner.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
She's like, I'm gonna go. Yeah, I thought you were
going to I thought you were going to give the line. Hi, Jack,
You're doing it wrong. We gotta do that. Are we
gonna do mister mom my, gosh, we gotta do it?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Okay, all right, So let's talk about Jerry Levine.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Okay, hell are you say?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
No? No, great talking to you.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So this is the dude who plays Styles. Okay, Yeah,
he talked about when he came into the audition process.
So he's like, twenty seven, right, you're playing seventeen. Twenty
seven is a little bit old.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So he comes in and he said, right off the bat,
I could tell that the people who were doing the
casting were a little bit not sure about me because
I was older. And he's like, guys, I just want
you to know, yes, I am older, but I can
act and I can act young.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And so that's when he broke into his Styles king right. Yeah,
And and Styles is great, man. He he is the
flip side of the wolf.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Right, he is. He's the he's the marketing like, let's
make it happen, wheeler dealer, you're beautiful. Yeah, and it
immediately starts calling him TWW. Right, how did you already
get to this? He's like, you're a team wolf, Okay,
t W here's what we're gonna do, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Right. The first thing he says is Scott.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
He's like, Styles, is me all right? T W Yeah. So,
by the.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Way, his name in the movie real name, So he
goes by Styles. Everybody calls him styles.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yea his real name in the movie Rupert right, style
a Kowski or something right, stelenski yeare you go? All right?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
So not the connection here, okay. So Jerry Levine is
friends with another girl working actor, and he's like, you know,
they're looking for a character this sweet girl next door,
you know, sweetheart of a girl I know somebody.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Her name's Susan Orcetti. Okay, yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
So he calls her and he's like, hey, I think
maybe this movie's got a part for you. And they'd
been looking for Boof. Can't find boof because you don't
want are too hot. She's got to be kind of
subtle hot, you know, right, she's.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Very cute story. Yeahah, very girling story.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
So he calls her. She had been in the movie
Zat okay.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
That terrible Scott Bayo movie, right, Scott Bayo.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
And and I don't know how terrible it is, okay,
So they he recommended her. Well, it turns out she
had been in this really influential USC student film called
Last Chance Dance.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Okay, and apparently it was kind of making the rounds.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
And they're like, isn't she from that USC film that
we watched called Last Chance Dance? And they're like, yeah,
you know, and she's like, oh yeah, she was great. Yeah,
So friendship connection gets Boof hired. Okay, by the way,
I have the answer, So you have it.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
You told me this on our As I'm sitting in
traffic waiting to get here. You're like, so, do you
know how they came up with the name Boof? And
I was like no. When you're like, don't look, I
was like, all right, surprise me, man, this is something
I have wondered for forty years. Right.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So her characters is Lisa Marconi, which the name Lisa
Marconi is actually a former very important girlfriend of Jeff
Lobe Okay, So when Jeff Loebe was in college, I
think he went to Columbia anyway, well, he was there.
One of the places where students would hang out is
like the steps of the library when the sun came out,
(43:20):
it was a nice day. That's where kind of the
social thing happened. So he sees this pretty girl walking
down the street towards him, and you know, being nineteen
and attempting to be suave. As she's walking by, he
says something along the lines of, hey, why don't you
come have lunch with me? She stops in her tracks
and turns around.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
And says, what did you say to me?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And he said, I said, why didn't you come have
lunch to be And she goes, I thought you called
me boof? And he goes, that doesn't even make sense,
Like that's not even English.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
That's why I stopped. Why would you call me boof?
He's like, I didn't call you boof.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
So anyway, that spark happened there nice and so they
began dating, and as a sort of a nickname, she
would call him Boof and he would call her boof.
And there you have the name Boof.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
It's great. It's a good story. I like that story
pretty good, right, yeah? All right?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Uh, and then now you have the unattainable girl. Her
character's name was Pamela. Gotcha yea, And so susan Or City.
Susie was friends with this girl named Lorie Griffin.
Speaker 6 (44:27):
You can run a lot family, you can ravage my body,
but I beg you with all that is decent, and Holly,
don't destroy my plantation.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
They had done a commercial together and I looked today,
couldn't find.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
It too bad, I know.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
So you had Boof and Pamela in the same commercion.
She was a model, needed a hot girl. She's like, hey,
my friend. They brought her in. They're like, I think
you're good.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
She's definitely hot enough. I think you're good enough for
the part. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
And then they bring in Matt Adler, who ends up
playing Lewis.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Did you know that he was really going for the
part in Just One of the Guys. Do you remember
that movie Just One.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Of the Guys? I do, so he was. He thought
he was in line to play the part of the brother,
right perf brother. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
The kid who got that part is the kid who
ended up taking Robbie Krager's part in Maggie. Like, he's
like he, yes, those two guys looked enough alike. He
took his part, that kid who ended up playing the
Perf brother. Yeah that's crazy. Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, well so anyway he thought he was going to
get that part. Yeah, turns out he didn't. Yeah, and
then teen Wolf was a fall back role for him.
But you know, he is a really subtle thing in
this movie where he's kind.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Of scared of the wolf. Yeah, there's something disapproving of
the wolf. We don't really get a firm explanation on
that either. I feel like maybe that that there's some
cut scene there that we would have gotten more details on.
But I am kind of curious about that. He seems
like he's Scott's conscious. This makes sense, Yeah, Jimmy Crickett. Yeah,
well and he kind of looks like him too, like
a very similar with those two guys. Yeah. You know
(46:02):
who he's married to, now you tell me, tell me
it is Laura san Giacomo, pretty woman. Yeah, yeah, she's
smoking Cindarella. Yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Alright, So then you have Mark Arnold, who plays Mick you.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Don't scare me freak.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Underneath all that hair.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
You're still a dork, Scott.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I've handled your kind before.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Your mommy used to steal chickens out of the backyard
till I blew her head off with the shotgun.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
He was in like soap opera. Yeah, just kind of
your standard tough guy turd. Yeah, the guy who plays
for the dragons, who sometimes always around right right right. Uh,
that's one of my I have. I have a few
problems with teen wolves.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I want to bring up. Is he one of them?
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Well, the fact that he's always around at another high school.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
And he always has a five o'clock shadows.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
And he's thirty two years old. Uh, okay, And you
have Mark Houlton who plays Chubby.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah. And I first thing that I said to you
is like, okay, so we got two movies here. One
movie got a character character like that, like this is
your part. You got the part of fat Kid and
my name is Orce. And then the other movie you
got a character named Chubby or Chubbs. Chubbs. Yeah, well
(47:26):
he's chubby. He is. He's a big guy. But I said,
we just talked about him because we just covered Pee
Wee's Big Adventure. Plays Francis. He plays Francis, he got
the part. He took the part from. Or yeah, I
took the part from Corey Feldman, right he did. Yeah,
And anyway, he was born in Oklahoma City, went to
(47:46):
Northeastern State over here in Tallaquah, just a few miles
from where I work. It's just I was like, dude.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
My wife's family is from Tallaquah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I love Taalaquah. Yeah. Now this may be a little
bit out of place, but when teen Wolf came out
August of nineteen eighty five, yes, the number one movie
the weekend it was released was The Future Back of
the Future. Yeah. The number two movie was teen Wolf, Teenwolf.
The number three movie was Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Hey,
(48:17):
all right, So Oklahoma City Guy, by virtue of basically
dumb luck is in a couple of low budget, no
hope kind of movies. Is in the number two and
number three movie. How about that next to Michael J. Fox,
who's in the number one and number two movies. Pretty close.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, all right, I want to talk about Jay Tarses.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Okay, he plays the coach. He's great. I don't no
matter how you play the game. It's whether you want
to lose, and even that doesn't make all that much difference.
He is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
He really takes his part and makes it great.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You want to forfeit the game?
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Sure, why not? I love it when when Scott's like, coach,
I want to play the game? Is Scott not not
the wolf? He's like our brains kicked in? But okay,
he's funny man. Even when he's not speaking, he's doing
funny things.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, sick, eating a sandwich, or he's looking around.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Scott came in to talk to him. He's like, coach,
I got a problem. You know, you said you got
a problem. You can come in.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
You can talk to any about anything.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
He's unpacking, like the world's biggest KFC lunch, right and yeah,
so he's chewing gum the whole time. The coach I'm
going through changes. Oh that Sorry, I haven't been hanging
around the locker.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I haven't noticed.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
So he's actually a like a writer, producer, director, like
he's a radio personality. He's he's great, he got that part.
James Hampton originally wanted the role of the coach.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Oh right, right, dad, Yeah, the guy who played the dad,
wanted to be the coach. Yeah, that's right. But they said,
like he is the dad. Yeah, so he's perfect as
the dead, that's right.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
And then lastly, you've got Jim mccrell. He's the guy
who plays Rusty Thorn, the principal.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah. Was he was he in The Howling? Yes, he was.
He was in The Howling Wow and in Grimlins. And
his character's name was Lou Landers in both of those movies.
What Yeah, Joe Dante. Joe Dante did both of those. Yeah,
there you go, So there you go. He's lou Landers
(50:27):
in both The Howling and in Grimlins.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
That is a fantastic nugget.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
That's great. Man.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
If I didn't have one other thing, that'd be a
great one.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
End on right there.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, okay, two things, yeah, okay, I forgot to tell
you this. One of the actors who auditioned for the
role of Styles, yeah before they were big David Spade.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Oh wow, yeah, I could see that right. And he
would have been the right age too. He was much
younger than twenty seven at.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
That point, fast talking salesman selling T shirts.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Oh yeah, he probably would have not been able to
surf on a van though I don't think.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
A little more believable when he holds the keg and
it knocks him over. One other guy I want to mention. Yeah,
Jeff Glosser Amy ringing a bell to you, all right,
Jeff Glosser five foot six, five foot seven, kind of short. Yeah,
played basketball at Loyal Merrymount, Okay. And because he was shortened,
stature and a good basketball player. Yeah, he is the
(51:24):
basketball playing stand in for Michael J. Fox as the Wolf.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
How tall was he? Five' six seven? Short he still
looked way taller Than MICHAEL. J. Fox, well it looked
like a freaking.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Giant he is way taller than Than MICHAEL. J.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
FOX i guess that's.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
True so they found. Him they just kind of put
out this call for you, know we need a short.
Kid it could play. Basketball he's, like well short AND
i played. Basketball, nice and that's the guy you played
For Loyola Loyola. Marrymount.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Nice there you. Go all? Right well that does it
for the cast of Teen. Wolf, yeah the into part,
One part. One, Yeah so, guys come back next. Week
we will jump in casting for The Monster. Squad we'll talk,
composers will talk special, effects we'll talk final judgment on
which of these two iconic monster movies is the. Best, bye,
(52:11):
Guys we'll see you next. Week to see you next,
week
Lions and tigers and bears. Oh my wait, wrong creatures.
This week, Jason and d are doing a deep dive
on a van surfing basketball playing teenage werewolf versus a
group of classic movie monsters on the hunt for a
magic amulet who will come out on top. Grab your
silver bullets, garlic, wooden steaks, and holy water and join
the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast as they discussed
(00:20):
nineteen eighty fives teen Wolf and nineteen eighty sevens Monster Squad.
And remember, if all else fails, kick him in the nards.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
All right, D, I got three piece of advice for
you before we start the podcast today. Number one, never
get less than twelve hours of sleep. Number two, never
play cards with a guy whose first name is a city.
And number three, never go near a lady with a
tattoo of a dagger on her body. You stick with
those three things, and everything else is cream cheese.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Welcome back to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast, everybody.
We are here today for our special annual Halloween episode,
and have we got a couple of very special movies
for you guys. These are a couple of movies that
you could sit down with your little kids and watch.
I mean, I would go so far as to say
nine ten years old totally fine watching these movies.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
What do you think For the most part, I think
there's a couple of things in Teenwolf that might you
might want to keep away from your ten year old.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
But yeah, there's some closet and jello moments that maybe
you're a little advanced, but probably less than anything they've
seen in TikTok. Guys, we are talking today about two movies,
one from nineteen eighty five, one from nineteen eighty seven,
first one being Teen Wolf and the second being The
Monster Squad. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I can't wait to talk about these two movies because
both of these have a special place in my heart.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So did you watch these movies in the theater? I
saw Teen Wolf in the theater for sure. Okay, yeah,
well so, yeah, one hundred percent. Like I was right
after Back of the Future, I was Michael I probably
even before, but I was Michael J. Fox obsessed at
that point. So I absolutely saw Teen Wolf in the theater.
And I know that I saw Monster Squad in the
theater as well. Yeah, it was because my brother was
going to go see The Lost Boys and I was
(02:01):
not allowed to watch that because that was a rated
R scary movie. But this was basically the next best thing.
I mean, you still got at least one vampire that
you've got in this movie. I remember it, and I
remember liking it very well, and then it just disappeared.
I was just like, why don't I ever hear about
this movie anymore? And unfortunately, at that time in my life,
I didn't have HBO, and so you know, I had
friends who had seen it on HBO and they liked it.
(02:24):
But you couldn't rent it. You didn't, I mean, there
was no VHS. It was a bummer.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I saw it on HBO. And it's funny that you
mentioned the Lost Boys because that, in my opinion, is
one of two movie reasons why the Monster Squad got buried. Yes,
you want to go ahe and tell you what, sure,
all right? So so for me that summer of nineteen
eighty seven, the Lost Boys came out at the very
end of July, which the public said, this is awesome.
(02:48):
We want cool teenage badass vampires. Yep, we don't want
the little rascals. At that time, yeah, I mean, this
movie bombed at the theaters. And I found its audience later,
which I think is super cool.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I said, do you like we've this is a kind
of a unique circumstance because because we really have two movies,
one which probably shouldn't have made it but did, and
one that probably should have made it but didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
If you look at Monster Squad and you look at Goonies,
which came out just a couple of years before, I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's just yeah, it's basically the same thing.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean, you've got the same mom.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, Mary Elin Trainer.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Right, all right, I asked you, Mary Allen Trador hot, not.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Hot, not hot, not hot. I have to disagree with
Bill Murriam skroaged. I think he was just ready to
go on anybody.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
That, hey, Roberts a Mechis thought she was hot. Well,
kind of interesting that Roberts a Mechis back to the future,
Teen Wolf, Monster Squad.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
There's all kinds of overlap with not only these movies,
but with the people involved in all of the movies.
I mean, still many of the movies that we've talked
about in the past.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yes, by the way, speaking of a movie that we
talked about in the past, the other movie that buried
The Monster Squad.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, is Dirty Dancing.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, yeah, of course, sure, in between Lost Boys and
Dirty Dancing, and there's a brief moment in time where
you could get a hit.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, but it it didn't happen. I'm gonna go so
far as to say that had they changed their marketing tactic,
this movie would have been a success. But I think
they they did an absolute dismal failure on marketing this movie,
and so it didn't have time to gain momentum and
build up the following in the theater because it was
in and out so quickly.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You mentioning that is very curious because one of these
movies was marketed poorly and did poorly, and the other
one was maybe marketed the greatest of all.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Time, pretty genius. Yeah yeah, I mean, just on that note,
and we can talk more about this later. But right
before The Monster Squad came out, Lethal Weapon came out,
like six months before Lethal Weapon came out. If your
advertising campaign is The Monster Squad by the writer of
Lethal Weapon, you got a million more people that are
(04:56):
going to come see that movie. Yeah. I don't understand
that at all. No me neither, poor, poor job. Yeah, okay,
Well let's jump into how these movies got started and
uh and enjoy the ride.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, hey, all right, all right, so we talked about
teen Wolf first.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, because that's the ride, right. I mean, you've got
to go surfing, right, we got to go. I gotta
go do some vandsurfing.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Everybody's gone siff and you got.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Your body surf shop shirt on. I have my teen
Wolf and my little funko pop guy over here. By
the way, if we make it through the entire podcast
without knocking him over, it is a success win by
Mesh when by both of us. Yep, okay, So teen Wolf.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, for one thing, you're gonna be able to do
a lot of things the other guys.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Aren't, oh like, uh, chase cars and bite the mailman.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Got to start with the rider. You know, the guy
that came up with the idea. We've talked about him before.
I know that some of our listeners want to say
his name, are gonna be like, oh, I didn't know
he wrote this, but they will remember that we have
talked about him before. So the guy who wrote this
is named Jeff Lobe. Okay, and when I said something
to you like as we always do. I'm driving and
talking to you and you're like, I remember that name.
(06:01):
I'm like, well, good, I'm glad that you can not
remember it, so that I know it's okay to tell
you guys about it again. So, Jeff Looeb was famous
in comic books. First, he I mean he was involved
with you know, pick a comic. He was involved with it,
Spider Man, Captain America, Batman, and specifically Batman The Long Halloween.
It's one of my favorites, right, It's monumental. Right, So
(06:24):
he had been involved with comic books, and this was
the first film script that he ever wrote, or at
least the first one that ever got made into a movie.
And so we've mentioned him before when we talked about Batman. Okay,
The Batman Okay, because Matt Reeves was a student in
Jeff Loeb's writing class. He had a screenwriting class and
(06:47):
Matt Reeves, who directed The Batman, was in that class. Now, interestingly,
matt reeves first script that got made into a movie
was Under Siege two, which he was embarrassed by. Hey,
but I mean he was trying to he was trying
to do kind of a die hard knockoff and they
put it on a boat or whatever, you know, die
Hard on a boat. But Jeff Loeb is actually the
one that modified it after it had been acquired, and
(07:11):
it was his. It was Jeff Loebe's finished product that
became the actual under Siege movie. That and all of
the stupid stuff that Steven Sigall wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Hey, I've seen Underseags two. Let me just say this.
I'm just gonna put this out there.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Under Siege one, Yeah, very enjoyable, fun action movie. Steven Sagall,
Tommy Lee Jones, Gary Busey, Erica Alaniac, It's it's great.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Under Siege two you.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Actually get a young Catherine Heigel.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
It's it's terrible.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Okay, So this is the first script that Jeff Loeb
has that's made into a movie. He's been a comic
book guy. And we talked about him when we talked
about the Batman, but I also said we talked about
him earlier this year.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
It dawned on me after we hung up the phone
what it was.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Do you remember now?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It was Commando?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Commando is correct? Now? Do you remember that who Commando
was supposed to be kind of based on out of
the comic books Sergei Rock, Sergeant Rock, Who Sergeant Rock
is the comic book that a character? And Predator Another
Arnold movie. Another movie we've covered, another movie we've covered.
There's a guy in that movie who's reading the Sergeant
(08:15):
Rock comic book. And who is that?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
That is Shane Black who wrote Muster Squad. There you go,
all right, so isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
That's crazy? Okay? Yes, So Jeff Loeb writes the script
for Teenwolf, but he has a partner, you guts a
story on that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, So I found this really interesting. They actually broke
down their writing style for this, and I thought, man,
you and I need to try this because I thought
it was brilliant.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, So Jeff lob and a guy named Matthew Weisman
with the guys who wrote this, they were fresh out
of film school yep. And what he said was Jeff
knew what to write and Matthew knew how to write. Okay,
So here's what they did. Well.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
First of all, let me back up.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
They were invited to pitch movie ideas to Atlantic. Atlantic
had just had this big hit with Girl and they
were looking for this money making formula. They needed something
mega cheap that would make you know, big bucks. Seems
like a brilliant idea. So they came in. They were
invited to pitch ideas. They came in, they pitched about
ten or eleven ideas, and so they're you know, it's
(09:17):
one of those things where it's like we think, you know,
die hard on a ship, you know, Okay, you know,
and it was just kind of pitched ideas. And when
they left, you know, you got a call back. And
so Jeff got the call back from the studio and
they say we want you to make one.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You know. He's like, oh, what is it? What is it?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
And they're like teen Wolf and he's like oh, he
was like that really, that's the one you chose out
of those ten. So he called his friend Matthew Wiseman,
who was, you know, going to help him write this.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
And Matthew's like what they say? What they say?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
He's like, well, they want to make one. He's like
which one. He's like teen Wolf and Matthew wis was
like huh. Both of them were like that's.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
The one they chose.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Really, Yeah, it was interesting. Those so Jeff Lobes said
in a script about fifty things or so happen. Okay,
not fifty scenes, but fifty things. And so he's talking
about how okay, you know, Scott and Booth were walking
down the sidewalk.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's a thing.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Styles drives up in a crappy old car.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
That's a thing.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And so he would write these things on like cards,
and he would put these cards up and then he
would give the cards to Matthew, and then Matthew would
kind of weave the things together and he would write
the dialogue. And this is the cool part. So they
would chase each other through the script. So he'd give
him like ten ideas and then Matthew would write like
ten pages, so he'd give the pages to Jeff. Jeff
(10:41):
would give him ten more things, and then Jeff would
like kind of go over what his screenplay was, and
they just kind of weaved it together.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And you know, that's a great team right there. Yeah.
I thought it was cool.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
When Atlantic greenlit Teenwolf, they said, here's the deal. We
need this back in three weeks, and we also need
you guys to do it for about four thousand dollars.
And they were like, okay, sounds good. Let's do it
four grand three weeks. With a work split between two people.
But they're getting their script made into a movie.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Yeah. Right.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
They were even producers for a time, like before, they
had brought on producers for the movie they would be.
They were consulted on who the director for the movie
would be.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
So I got the story on the director. If you
want that, sure tell me. Okay, okay. So the director
is a guy named Rod Daniel. Okay. Now, he grew
up in Tennessee. His dad was a doctor, actually was
the founder of one of the founders of the Board
of Thoracic Surgery. It was totally expected that Rod was
going to go to school and also be a doctor.
(11:38):
But when he got back from Vietnam, he was like,
I don't want to do that. I want to I
want to go do other things, and so shut out.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I changed my mind.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, And so he started working in an advertising agency
and through the advertising agency, directed a few commercials. And
he had a buddy named Hugh Wilson. Have you heard
the name Hugh Wilson before Las Academy? You got it, buddy, Yes, right,
all right, I find that that is awesome. Yes, So
Hugh Wilson before Police Academy was the guy who created
(12:09):
and wrote and produced a TV series called WKRP in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
UKRP and Cincinnat.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yep, that's it. And so Rod Daniel had gone out
to Hollywood was interested in making films. Actually he hadn't
really developed it at that point, but he sits in
on the pilot episode of WRKRP in Cincinnati. He watches
what the guy's doing and he's like, I could do this.
And he says, I'm not normally a pushy guy, but
in this instance, I was like, Hugh, I can do this.
(12:38):
I can direct it. And so he made him an
assistant producer. Eventually he started directing. He ended up directing
about thirty three episodes of WKRP in Cincinnati. Cool. So,
but his perspective on it, and this is what he said,
Television is just a machine. It's a sausage machine. It's
just like you just got a crank crank, crank, crank crank.
And what he really wanted to do was direct a film.
(12:58):
And Atlantic had this film that they wanted and needed
a director for and they were going through all of
these directors and every director they'd say, what is this
movie about? And they'd say, it's about a Teenage where Wolf,
that seems like the obvious thing. So Rod Daniel was
the only guy that said it's about a father and
a son. And it was because he said it's about
a father and a son that he got tapped to
be the director of this movie. Now, whenever we've been
(13:21):
talking multiple times, and we'll talk about Michael J. Fox
in just a second, you keep saying Growing Pains fifty times,
and I was like, Okay, if we can make it
through the episode with the without you calling Family Ties
Growing Pains, that'll be another win. Right. But next movie
that he directed after Teen Wolf, do you know it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Like father, like son? Who starred in Growing Pains?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Right, Kirk Cameron, Kirk Cameron from Growing Pains, That's right,
and also Dudley Moore from Arthur Go check Out. Are
just our second to last episode before this on Christopher Cross.
But anyway, before that, he is interviewing people for the
main part of teen Wolf, met Michael J. Fox. He
liked him instantly, like this, this is our guy for sure.
Right now, Michael J. Fox had been on Family Ties,
(14:07):
was still on Family Ties, but it was a weird
circumstance that happens that allows him to be able to
go to make this movie. Now, if you go back
to season one, ladies and gentlemen, you and are very
what is our second or third series? We did Back
to the Future versus Raiders of the Lost right, and
we talked at that time about how Michael J. Fox
(14:30):
didn't get the part initially because he was working family
ties and he couldn't do both the movie and the series.
So then the question is, well, then how did he
do Teenwolf? Because Teenwolf got filmed before Back to the Future,
right right. The reason was he obviously was a very
popular character. But Meredith Baxter, Bernie the mom, got pregnant, yes,
and she had to take twenty five days off. And
(14:52):
twenty five days is how long it took them to
shoot this movie.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Three weeks. Three weeks, yeah, three weeks.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Between October and November of nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
By the way, yeah, what other great movie from the
eighties can we chalk up to somebody's pregnancy where another
actor got the part, knocked it out of the part
while his co star had a baby.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
That would be Moonlighting and the movie is diehard, diehard, Yes, yes,
good job, all right, So and that'll come up. It
already came up. It already came up. Diehard already came
up and came up again.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
All right, thank you, Sivil Shepherd's husband and Perny's husband.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Okay, so I'm gonna rewind just a little bit because
we didn't really dive into Michael J. Fox whenever we
did our Back to the Future episode. Okay, and I
do want to dive in a little bit here. Okay. Yeah,
he was little, like he's still little, right, He's still around,
and he's he's very It was a great when he
won his Emmy or whatever. He got up there and
(15:50):
he's like, oh, man, I feel four feet tall. You know.
He's always been a small guy, and he wasn't a
particularly good student c's and d's mostly in his school.
But he fell in love with acting because it gave
him the opportunity to be somebody that was not himself, right,
and also all the girls were in the drama class.
He's a hockey player, played other sports, but he was like, ooh, drama.
(16:14):
I'm there. I'll tell you what sport.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
He didn't play basketball?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Keep going right, So he does well and he actually
gets some jobs on these Canadian TV shows and is
doing some small time stuff and he's like, this is
what I want to do. And his dad was a
worker and a grinder and always kind of sneered at
him about the things, and he didn't support his acting initially.
But when he came to him and he's like, I'm
(16:42):
no good at high school. I know I can make
it if I go out to Hollywood, but I'm not
going to make it unless I do. His dad said, well,
then I guess that's what we've got to do if
you're that determined to do it. And his dad, even
though they had no money, put it all on the
visa card, drove him out there from Canada, took him
to four auditions. He got called back on all of them. Wow,
(17:03):
And his dad said, you've got this by the tail,
don't let it go. Dropped him off at a tiny,
tiny little studio apartment that had one sink that he
washed his dishes and his hands and his hair in,
and his dad left and he did these little bits right,
but it was like on Trapper John MD, and it
(17:24):
was other like small TV series things, and he was
not making much money and he wasn't getting a whole
lot of parts, and he got to where he was like, well,
I have this sectional. I could sell it, or I
could sell a piece of it. And he sold a
piece of his sectional, so they had money to pay
rent and to eat. And then he sold another piece,
and then he sold another piece, and he was down
(17:45):
to no furniture. He was stealing jelly from the eyehop,
the little free jelly you get to eat, because he
had nothing else to eat. Wow, he was doing McDonald's
commercials at best. You know, that'd be a great payday. Yeah,
he's got one fine, Like the make It or Break
It audition, right, the director doesn't want him, The head
of the studio does not want him. They let him
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come in and read for the part. Anyway, as he's
in the room to read for this part, he's like,
oh crap, I like the whole script just went like
he just drops it and it all falls apart. He's like,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, guys, I'm sorry. I'll get this,
you know. And there's just you know a line of
people just watching the director shaking his head. And they
start the scene and he starts saying these lines and
I'm listening to it, and the lines on the page
(18:29):
are not really that funny, but when they come out
of his mouth, everyone in the room is laughing. And
that's how he gets the job of Alex Keaton until
the first episode when he ad libs as he answers
the phone and says, Alex P. Keaton. He gave himself
the middle initial in the first episode of the show.
How about that? There you go. I love it, man,
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That's how he gets the job on Family Ties.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know, just hearing that makes me happy.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Number one.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But when I watched Teen Wolf, I mean, of course
back in the future, but when I watched Teen Wolf,
he owns the screen.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
It's charisma all over the place. Man.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
He I don't I can't even put my finger on it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
He he just has it. It's it. Give me a
keg of beer. He has an uncanny way of delivering
things in a completely believable way that also is a
way that makes you smile or laugh. I mean, he's
just a gifted guy in that regard. And we mentioned
(19:30):
before that he was not able to do back to
the future because of his commitment to Family Ties. Well,
when he got back as he was filming Teenwolf, he
knew they were filming back to the future, like he
knew what was going on. He's like, they were both
filmed in South Pasadena, exactly what is going on across
the street over there that Steven Spielberg is involved in.
(19:53):
And he finds out that Crispin Glover's in it, and
he knows Crispin. He's like, crazy, Crispin is in a
Steven Spielberg movie and I'm doing this be high school
monster movie? What is going on? Right? And it's only
when he gets back that Dave Goldberg I believe is
his name. Goldberg is his last name. I remember that.
It's easy to remember. The director of Family Ties brings
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him into his office and says, I have a confession
to make. Stevens gave me this script and we said, Stephen,
he knew exactly who he was talking about. Steven gave
me this script months ago and wanted you, specifically you
for this part. And I told him, no, he can't
have you. I can't spare you. It won't work. But
he felt guilty, like he felt guilty, and he said
(20:36):
that he's just called me back. They've had Eric Stoltz
in there and they don't think he's right, and they're
willing to spend a lot of money to reshoot all
of his scenes, and they're begging me for you and
he says, don't screw me on this, and so literally
the way that it would go. For the however many
weeks they filmed, a teamster would come pick him up
(20:58):
from his tiny, little crappy apartment at nine am. It
would take him over the Paramount lot where he would
shoot all of the family ties stuff. Then at six pm,
another teamster would drive him to wherever they happened to
be shooting on Back to the Future. He would shoot
until just before sunrise. I was like, you noticed that
a lot of the movie is at night time. Yeah,
(21:18):
like a whole lot, Like all of the big fun
scenes there at night. Yeah. That was because that's what
time Michael J. Fox could film. And so just before
dawn they would wrap filming and he would get in
the back of a station wagon with a blanket and
a pillow. The guy the teamster would drive him back
to his studio apartment, frequently have to carry him upstairs,
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put him in his bed, and he would get another
couple of hours sleep until another teamster came over, made
a pop of coffee, turned on the shower, got him
out of bed, and started the whole process all over again.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think it was November one, nineteen eighty four. Okay,
he films first thing in the morning to all you know,
basically till six pm growing pains. All right, they picked
me that first thing in the morning. He films all
day family ties, then he does pickups for teen Wolf.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Oh yeah, the pickups.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Then he goes and films Back to the Future all
night long. Oh so he actually did three things in
one glorious day in nineteen.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Eighty This is crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So when he's done with all of this, he knows
how exhausted he is, right, he knows that he's been
struggling on family Ties. He knows he's been struggling as
they've filmed Back to the Future, and he's just like,
I can't believe that I've I've f this up. There's
no way that it can be good. It just can't
be good. As bad as I've been, there's no way
it can be good. And his agent called him and
(22:49):
said I saw the movie, and he's like, I'm so sorry.
I just exhausted. And the guy's like it's great.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Which movie we're talking about now back to the Future.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Oh yeah, you're going to be a star. Yeah. And
so what happens with teen Wolf is that they said
this film first, they're smart. When was their original release date.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's supposed to be in March, in March of nineteen
eighty five, which that kind of lines up with basketball season, right, Sure,
they release it in football season in August of nineteen
eighty five.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And what came out in July of eighty five had
me back.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
To the Future, right they So, the producers of Teen
Wolf got wind of Back to the Future. They knew
it was Spielberg, they knew it was big budget, and
they knew that the studio had high confidence in its success.
They chose to gamble on Back to the Future and
(23:45):
they held the release of Teen Wolf. They pushed it
to August of nineteen eighty five. August was a time
when you released your junk.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, right, all your crap, All the summer blockbusters are
over by August, that's right.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And they said, nope, we're going to hold. We're going
to go all in on Back to the Future. Released
teen Wolf after Back to the Future, and of course.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It blew up. It blew up. I think the budget
was something like four four million dollars, which is not
very much money. And I don't remember eighty eighty something
eighty something million dollars what it grossed worldwide? Good call on.
Just wait, just let's just wait. Let's just see what happens.
(24:27):
Let's see what happens. Brilliant, All right, Okay, flip over
to monster Squad. So what do you say, A monster
squad or what? Right? So monster squad. So again, something
we've talked about in the past is the Pad, Oh guys,
the Pad of Guys. You remember the Pad of Guys?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I do.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
We first talked about the Pad of Guys. I believe
when we were talking about Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure,
because Ed Solomon was a roommate among the Pad of Guys.
Ed Solomon was a member, a resident, a roommate, a roomy,
a guy who would play football in the yard at
three am and hang around with pizza boxes and unfinished
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scripts with the rest of these guys. Also David Silverman,
who wrote The Simpsons, Also David Arnett, who wrote the
Adventures of Ford fair Lane. Also Robert Renault who wrote
Demolition Man. And David Fincher never lived there, but he'd
come hang out with him pretty free. Yes, what So
in addition to those guys, there were a couple of
(25:32):
other guys. One of them was named Shane Black and
the other one was Fred Decker.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
That's insane man. So you know, I think we talked
in our Bill and Tad's episode way back when the
season two maybe that you know ed Solomon they would
go to these classes, like film writing classes, and they
would brainstorm and work and do all this stuff. And
he said, Shane Black did not didn't come to class,
didn't work hard. He was kind of half asleep. And
(25:58):
then the time that he would say something, it was
like Shadow Company.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yes, Vietnam missioning in action guys who come back their
bodies come back as zombies Andreekavic on the which if
you go back and you listen to our Lethal Weapon episode,
by the way, go back and listen to that. Shane
Black showed that script to his brother. His brother said,
it's terrible. Don't do this, yep, and that like it.
(26:24):
It's at that point that he starts writing lethal Weapon.
He veers and he starts writing lethal Weapon. And if
you'll remember, the Shadow Company actually does the name Shadow
Company comes up in Leath the Weapon, yep. But before that,
just before he writes the Lethal Weapon, he's in this.
He had had his parents bankroll him for a year,
just said let me go try to make it as
(26:44):
a writer. And so he's there with these other guys
and Fred Decker is having a little more success. Yeah. Right.
He writes a script that becomes a House, which got
released in nineteen eighty five. Yeah, you've seen that one.
I have unimpressed. No, okay, I mean it's fun, but
that he parlays that into becoming the writer and director
(27:08):
of Knight of the Creeps, which you've covered with Jeff Johnson.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I have, that's right. I love Night of the Creeps
so much fun.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
So he does Night of the Creeps, and you know,
we've got a little momentum building now, right. So this
is eighty six or so, and he's like, okay, he's
watching all they all they do is say sit around
and they watch old TV shows, right, And if you
remember watching old TV shows in the eighties, you probably remember,
like I do, watching the nineteen thirties versions of Dracula, Frankenstein,
(27:39):
and The wolf Man. Well, the wolf Man, I think
was like later, but the Mummy, Yeah, Creature from the
Black Lagoon all known together now as the University Monsters,
the Universal Monsters. That's right. So he's watching that, he's
watching old Little Rascals episodes, and he's like, man, what
if we had like a crossover of like because he's
(28:00):
watching Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein, right, and he's like,
you know, it was like many things. It was fantastic
when the first one came out, and then they would
release next movie, next movie slowly got lower and lower
quality until it was just a joke, he said. But
on the joke movies, the Frankenstein became scary again, you know,
like you got Abbot and Costello. You know, he's freaking
out because the hand that's on his leg is not
(28:22):
his own hand, you know. Yeah, And so he's like, well,
you know, if we had this kind of Abbot and
Costello moment with kids like the Little Rascals with these monsters,
maybe that makes a good movie idea. He suggests it
to Shane Black. Okay, now keep in mind that Shane
Black a little bit later will write Lethal Weapon. He
(28:44):
will also write The Long Kiss good Night, which at
the time that it was sold sold for more than
any other specscript had ever sold for in history, something
like four and a half million dollars. And he's, I mean,
he's in his freaking twenties. He's in his twenties, and
he goes on to write Iron Man three. I mean,
he's he's done a few things right, he's a very
(29:07):
what he got brought into Predator to doctor the script
as they were doing stuff, even though he didn't actually
end up doing it. He just was the guy reading
Sergeant Rock in the background. And I'm making totally inappropriate jokes.
But anyway, he's like, this is I got a quote
him here.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
See it's an echo, It's an echo.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
See. So Shane Black said this about the Monster Squad.
He said, I'm not kidding when I say this. The
Monster Squad was the purest script I ever did, with
the least amount of self consciousness and the most passion.
It was my best script. What so Shane Black, this
(29:56):
script writing icon calls this movie his best script. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And this is the guy who did leave the weapon long, kiss,
goodnight and Iron Man three, like you said.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Tiscus bang bang, all of those yes, did he do
the nice guys. I think he did do the nice guys. Yeah,
that's right. So he writes the script. Fred sees it
and he's like, okay, let's change these things. And basically
they're back and forth on it until really it's kind
of a joint project. And I told you, I just realized,
after you know, weeks of studying this, that means that
this script is a Black and Decker script.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
What a great joke.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
That's next level. Do a good job. Yeah, okay, So
the script gets greenlit. They are very excited because they
everyone is told that they get permission to use the
Universal Monsters. And then a few days later they say, no, wait, no,
we don't. We don't have permission at all. Well you're dead.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
If you can't use the Universal Monsters, you have nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well keep in mind that short of the Wolfman and
Creature from the Black Lagoon, these are already established characters
in literature. This is not the Universal has not does
not have exclusive rights to Dracula or the Monster of Frankenstein.
So there's some maneuverability there, right, Okay, so they got
to change things up and they're making adjustments, right among
(31:12):
the guys that are producing this movie is a guy
named Peter Himes. You know Peter him.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I do know Peter Himes.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Peter Himes the year before had directed twenty ten, the
year we made contact. Right after this, he would go
on to direct Running Scared, which I believe is a favorite.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Advice love Rain Scares. It is one of my favorite
movies of the eighties.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I still haven't seen it. That needs to be one
of those virgin experiences for me. I'll see if you're
like then he did Time Cop and Sudden Death. How
about getting Steven Seagal and Jean Claude Van dam in
one episode that has nothing to do with their movies.
But as as as Fred Decker is filming this movie,
Peter Heim is not happy with him, and he was like,
(31:51):
I'm about to get fired. I know this back. But
fortunately Peter him just said listen, the way you're filming
and to just talked to He coached him, right, He
didn't coached him. He said, listen, you have in your
mind the way this movie is going to go, and
you're filming it for the way that you think it's
going to go. The problem with that is if anything
goes wrong with the way that you're filming it. You
have no net, you've got no backup, You're not doing
(32:13):
enough coverage. And so he's like, do some establishing shots.
And if you watch the movie, you're like, oh, dude,
there's the establishing shot. There's the establishing shot. You get
a master shot out there and show the wide screen.
And he said, not only did it help him, it
kind of helped everybody else understand what was going on
in the scene. So that was acted better, and the
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guy's doing all the setwork and all of the other
stuff understood it better. And it was absolutely the right
right call.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It helped his team make a better movie exactly because
of the master shot. By the way, I just wanted
to drop some knowledge on Night of the Creeps, which
I'm a big fan of. You ever seen it?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
I have not seen it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Okay, So there's some surely crossover in Night of the
Creeps that I just want to bring up real quick,
just for fun. Okay, So it stuck Tom Adkins, who
is also in leitha weapon. Yes, he's hunts Ecker, gets shot.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Through the milk jug. Yes, through the milk jug. Several
guys get shot. He's the only one that gets shot
in milk.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
That's right, that's right, Gary Busey blows him away.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Right. Also, by the way, an idol of our listener,
Amanda janek Amanaganic loves tom as she calls him love King.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yes, then you have two of the girls from Weird
Science in NIGHTE of the Creeps. Okay, you have camera
is hillyer Deb is one of them, and like the
star of the show is the perfume.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Girl at the mall right, wow, Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
The girl who's like, didn't you two get beat up
at the homecoming dance last year?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Who her name is? Jill?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I think she has one of the greatest will she
or won't she show us her eighties boobs of all time?
And if you don't know what I talk about, just
go watch NIGHTE of the Creeps. Okay, But also starring
in NIGHTE of the Creeps is Jason Lively, who plays
Rusty in European Vacation, which we covered last summer.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah. I think so there you go. Okay, So, just
because you brought Night of the Creeps, I just gonna
say this line. Dead guys do not get up and
walk away by themselves. It's in Night of the Creeps
and it's in the Monster Squad. Oh how about both
of them?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
And then yeah, and then like a dead guy walks by. Right,
that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I've got such a great nugget on casting that I
can't wait to give you.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Okay, all right, So that kind of does it for
the lead up to both of these movies. Let's talk
about casting.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Let's talk about casting. Okay, So let's flip back to
Teen Wolf. We'll go through the casting number one.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Michael J. Fox.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
We talked about him, how he got the part, how
it was a special three week deal because of Meredith
Baxter Bernie's pregnancy.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
You are an animal.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Okay, So I want to bring up a movie real
quick that has some surely connections.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I thought this was fun. So Michael J.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Fox, Beforeteen Wolf, before Back the Future, starred in a
movie called High School, USA.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I saw that movie a bunch of times. Did you
really I had like a bunch of a bunch of
TV stars like old TV, like had bopped inver in
it right, Gilligan, Right it is. I'm like, this may
be the only thing that I remember from the movie,
but I think they wreck his car and then to
get out of trouble for wrecking his car. They get
him drunk, then put him in the wrecked car and
(35:37):
make him think that he wrecked the car. That's drinking
and driver. That's right. Yeah, okay, High School US, Yes,
it's not good.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
It is on TV though, if you want to watch
to be Okay, Michael J. Fox has kind of a
romance with Joe from Family from the Facts of Life.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yea life. Yeah, I kind of like Joe better than Blair.
Actually tell you truth something about Joe. I'll take Blair,
I know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
But but it's cool to see a family tie very
Facts of Life crossover right there.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Also in High School USA, Crispin Glover is in that movie.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
That's how he knew crazy Crispin, right, that's right. Okay,
so there you go.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Okay, So before I talked about the rest of the cast,
I want to talk about a guy named Paul Ventura.
He's the casting director for teen Wolf. Okay, okay, Yeah,
this guy does an outstanding job and it's a whole
lot of networking and relationships. So one of the guys
that he knows is James Hampton. Okay, that's the guy
who plays Harold Howard. Okay, Scott Howard's dad.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
You knew about this, and you didn't tell me.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I was hoping I wouldn't have to. Sometimes it skips
a generation. I was hoping it would pass you by.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well, it didn't pass me by. It landed on.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
My face and to me other than Scott Howard, Michael J.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Fox. This is the most important character in the entire movie, absolutely,
because it's about a father and his son, about a
father and son.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right, he doesn't credible job of being one of the
greatest fathers in a teen movie.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Think he's just the best. His wife has died, He's
trying to be there for his son. He's not being overbearing,
he's not being a jerk. However, he did fail to
mention that they have a werewolf curse in their family.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
It skips the generation. He thought you might miss him.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It didn't miss my dad on my face, which that
logic doesn't even hold because if he's if he has
grandkids and Scott doesn't know about.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It, he's gonna be like, what the heck is happening.
So but other than that, he does such a spectacular job.
I do love the scene where he and Booth are
playing basketball. You know that that was ad libbed. The
original scene was written as mister Howard and Boof are
sitting at a table. They're drinking cocoa and they're waiting
and Scott comes in and hello, has ever you know?
(37:56):
And James Hampton's like, no, we need we need action,
we need something going on on.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
So he and Susan Rcady are like, let's play basketball.
Both of them not good, right, but they're having fun.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
And he's like, let's just go for it.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
But and you can see they are having fun on screen.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, they really are. Yeah, it and it gives you
that impression that he's known her his whole life, right,
like he's doing a little kid.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, it would be like me playing basketball against life exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
You know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
So it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay, before you leave, James Hampton, Yes, did you have more?
Are you about to move on? No?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I was getting ready to say something.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
No, keep going, okay, so on James Hampton, Yes, this
was I was kind of blown away on this one, right. Yeah.
So in the Monster Squad, Yeah, one of the two
kids is played by Robbie Kreiger. Okay, in the early
eighties nineteen eighty one. To be precise, Robbie Kreiger was
with James Hampton in a short lived TV series And
(38:56):
as a matter of fact, I think that Robbie Craiger
was only in the pilot episode. I don't think that
he went on to do others, but he who later
went on to do Monster Squad was with James Hampton,
who later later went on to do Team Wolf in
this TV show called Maggie, which starred Miriam Flynn. Does
that name of ring a bell for you? Yeah, mister Mom? Yes? Yes?
(39:18):
And also cousin Catherine, cousin Eddie's wife in all of
the Vacation movies. It did not last long that show,
but I just thought, Oh, that's crazy that these two,
these two kind of key characters, like really the two
key side characters in both of these movies, happened to
be in a short lived TV show together.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Marion Flynn has one of the funniest moments in Mister
Mom when Jack Butler thinks his wife has been cheating
on him and the phone's ringing and she's like, maybe
should answer it, and he's like, maybe we should answer it.
He rips the phone out of the wall. He's like, hello,
nobody's there. I guess, throws the phone, kicks the TV
and she's just like cringing in the corner.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
She's like, I'm gonna go. Yeah, I thought you were
going to I thought you were going to give the line. Hi, Jack,
You're doing it wrong. We gotta do that. Are we
gonna do mister mom my, gosh, we gotta do it?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Okay, all right, So let's talk about Jerry Levine.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Okay, hell are you say?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
No? No, great talking to you.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So this is the dude who plays Styles. Okay, Yeah,
he talked about when he came into the audition process.
So he's like, twenty seven, right, you're playing seventeen. Twenty
seven is a little bit old.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So he comes in and he said, right off the bat,
I could tell that the people who were doing the
casting were a little bit not sure about me because
I was older. And he's like, guys, I just want
you to know, yes, I am older, but I can
act and I can act young.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And so that's when he broke into his Styles king right. Yeah,
And and Styles is great, man. He he is the
flip side of the wolf.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Right, he is. He's the he's the marketing like, let's
make it happen, wheeler dealer, you're beautiful. Yeah, and it
immediately starts calling him TWW. Right, how did you already
get to this? He's like, you're a team wolf, Okay,
t W here's what we're gonna do, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Right. The first thing he says is Scott.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
He's like, Styles, is me all right? T W Yeah. So,
by the.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Way, his name in the movie real name, So he
goes by Styles. Everybody calls him styles.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yea his real name in the movie Rupert right, style
a Kowski or something right, stelenski yeare you go? All right?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
So not the connection here, okay. So Jerry Levine is
friends with another girl working actor, and he's like, you know,
they're looking for a character this sweet girl next door,
you know, sweetheart of a girl I know somebody.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Her name's Susan Orcetti. Okay, yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
So he calls her and he's like, hey, I think
maybe this movie's got a part for you. And they'd
been looking for Boof. Can't find boof because you don't
want are too hot. She's got to be kind of
subtle hot, you know, right, she's.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Very cute story. Yeahah, very girling story.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
So he calls her. She had been in the movie
Zat okay.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
That terrible Scott Bayo movie, right, Scott Bayo.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
And and I don't know how terrible it is, okay,
So they he recommended her. Well, it turns out she
had been in this really influential USC student film called
Last Chance Dance.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Okay, and apparently it was kind of making the rounds.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
And they're like, isn't she from that USC film that
we watched called Last Chance Dance? And they're like, yeah,
you know, and she's like, oh yeah, she was great. Yeah,
So friendship connection gets Boof hired. Okay, by the way,
I have the answer, So you have it.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
You told me this on our As I'm sitting in
traffic waiting to get here. You're like, so, do you
know how they came up with the name Boof? And
I was like no. When you're like, don't look, I
was like, all right, surprise me, man, this is something
I have wondered for forty years. Right.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So her characters is Lisa Marconi, which the name Lisa
Marconi is actually a former very important girlfriend of Jeff
Lobe Okay, So when Jeff Loebe was in college, I
think he went to Columbia anyway, well, he was there.
One of the places where students would hang out is
like the steps of the library when the sun came out,
(43:20):
it was a nice day. That's where kind of the
social thing happened. So he sees this pretty girl walking
down the street towards him, and you know, being nineteen
and attempting to be suave. As she's walking by, he
says something along the lines of, hey, why don't you
come have lunch with me? She stops in her tracks
and turns around.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
And says, what did you say to me?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And he said, I said, why didn't you come have
lunch to be And she goes, I thought you called
me boof? And he goes, that doesn't even make sense,
Like that's not even English.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
That's why I stopped. Why would you call me boof?
He's like, I didn't call you boof.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
So anyway, that spark happened there nice and so they
began dating, and as a sort of a nickname, she
would call him Boof and he would call her boof.
And there you have the name Boof.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
It's great. It's a good story. I like that story
pretty good, right, yeah? All right?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Uh, and then now you have the unattainable girl. Her
character's name was Pamela. Gotcha yea, And so susan Or City.
Susie was friends with this girl named Lorie Griffin.
Speaker 6 (44:27):
You can run a lot family, you can ravage my body,
but I beg you with all that is decent, and Holly,
don't destroy my plantation.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
They had done a commercial together and I looked today,
couldn't find.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
It too bad, I know.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
So you had Boof and Pamela in the same commercion.
She was a model, needed a hot girl. She's like, hey,
my friend. They brought her in. They're like, I think
you're good.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
She's definitely hot enough. I think you're good enough for
the part. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
And then they bring in Matt Adler, who ends up
playing Lewis.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Did you know that he was really going for the
part in Just One of the Guys. Do you remember
that movie Just One.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Of the Guys? I do, so he was. He thought
he was in line to play the part of the brother,
right perf brother. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
The kid who got that part is the kid who
ended up taking Robbie Krager's part in Maggie. Like, he's
like he, yes, those two guys looked enough alike. He
took his part, that kid who ended up playing the
Perf brother. Yeah that's crazy. Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, well so anyway he thought he was going to
get that part. Yeah, turns out he didn't. Yeah, and
then teen Wolf was a fall back role for him.
But you know, he is a really subtle thing in
this movie where he's kind.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Of scared of the wolf. Yeah, there's something disapproving of
the wolf. We don't really get a firm explanation on
that either. I feel like maybe that that there's some
cut scene there that we would have gotten more details on.
But I am kind of curious about that. He seems
like he's Scott's conscious. This makes sense, Yeah, Jimmy Crickett. Yeah,
well and he kind of looks like him too, like
a very similar with those two guys. Yeah. You know
(46:02):
who he's married to, now you tell me, tell me
it is Laura san Giacomo, pretty woman. Yeah, yeah, she's
smoking Cindarella. Yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Alright, So then you have Mark Arnold, who plays Mick you.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Don't scare me freak.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Underneath all that hair.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
You're still a dork, Scott.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I've handled your kind before.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Your mommy used to steal chickens out of the backyard
till I blew her head off with the shotgun.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
He was in like soap opera. Yeah, just kind of
your standard tough guy turd. Yeah, the guy who plays
for the dragons, who sometimes always around right right right. Uh,
that's one of my I have. I have a few
problems with teen wolves.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I want to bring up. Is he one of them?
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Well, the fact that he's always around at another high school.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
And he always has a five o'clock shadows.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
And he's thirty two years old. Uh, okay, And you
have Mark Houlton who plays Chubby.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah. And I first thing that I said to you
is like, okay, so we got two movies here. One
movie got a character character like that, like this is
your part. You got the part of fat Kid and
my name is Orce. And then the other movie you
got a character named Chubby or Chubbs. Chubbs. Yeah, well
(47:26):
he's chubby. He is. He's a big guy. But I said,
we just talked about him because we just covered Pee
Wee's Big Adventure. Plays Francis. He plays Francis, he got
the part. He took the part from. Or yeah, I
took the part from Corey Feldman, right he did. Yeah,
And anyway, he was born in Oklahoma City, went to
(47:46):
Northeastern State over here in Tallaquah, just a few miles
from where I work. It's just I was like, dude.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
My wife's family is from Tallaquah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I love Taalaquah. Yeah. Now this may be a little
bit out of place, but when teen Wolf came out
August of nineteen eighty five, yes, the number one movie
the weekend it was released was The Future Back of
the Future. Yeah. The number two movie was teen Wolf, Teenwolf.
The number three movie was Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Hey,
(48:17):
all right, So Oklahoma City Guy, by virtue of basically
dumb luck is in a couple of low budget, no
hope kind of movies. Is in the number two and
number three movie. How about that next to Michael J. Fox,
who's in the number one and number two movies. Pretty close.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, all right, I want to talk about Jay Tarses.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Okay, he plays the coach. He's great. I don't no
matter how you play the game. It's whether you want
to lose, and even that doesn't make all that much difference.
He is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
He really takes his part and makes it great.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You want to forfeit the game?
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Sure, why not? I love it when when Scott's like, coach,
I want to play the game? Is Scott not not
the wolf? He's like our brains kicked in? But okay,
he's funny man. Even when he's not speaking, he's doing
funny things.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, sick, eating a sandwich, or he's looking around.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Scott came in to talk to him. He's like, coach,
I got a problem. You know, you said you got
a problem. You can come in.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
You can talk to any about anything.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
He's unpacking, like the world's biggest KFC lunch, right and yeah,
so he's chewing gum the whole time. The coach I'm
going through changes. Oh that Sorry, I haven't been hanging
around the locker.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I haven't noticed.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
So he's actually a like a writer, producer, director, like
he's a radio personality. He's he's great, he got that part.
James Hampton originally wanted the role of the coach.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Oh right, right, dad, Yeah, the guy who played the dad,
wanted to be the coach. Yeah, that's right. But they said,
like he is the dad. Yeah, so he's perfect as
the dead, that's right.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
And then lastly, you've got Jim mccrell. He's the guy
who plays Rusty Thorn, the principal.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah. Was he was he in The Howling? Yes, he was.
He was in The Howling Wow and in Grimlins. And
his character's name was Lou Landers in both of those movies.
What Yeah, Joe Dante. Joe Dante did both of those. Yeah,
there you go, So there you go. He's lou Landers
(50:27):
in both The Howling and in Grimlins.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
That is a fantastic nugget.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
That's great. Man.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
If I didn't have one other thing, that'd be a
great one.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
End on right there.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, okay, two things, yeah, okay, I forgot to tell
you this. One of the actors who auditioned for the
role of Styles, yeah before they were big David Spade.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Oh wow, yeah, I could see that right. And he
would have been the right age too. He was much
younger than twenty seven at.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
That point, fast talking salesman selling T shirts.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Oh yeah, he probably would have not been able to
surf on a van though I don't think.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
A little more believable when he holds the keg and
it knocks him over. One other guy I want to mention. Yeah,
Jeff Glosser Amy ringing a bell to you, all right,
Jeff Glosser five foot six, five foot seven, kind of short. Yeah,
played basketball at Loyal Merrymount, Okay. And because he was shortened,
stature and a good basketball player. Yeah, he is the
(51:24):
basketball playing stand in for Michael J. Fox as the Wolf.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
How tall was he? Five' six seven? Short he still
looked way taller Than MICHAEL. J. Fox, well it looked
like a freaking.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Giant he is way taller than Than MICHAEL. J.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
FOX i guess that's.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
True so they found. Him they just kind of put
out this call for you, know we need a short.
Kid it could play. Basketball he's, like well short AND
i played. Basketball, nice and that's the guy you played
For Loyola Loyola. Marrymount.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Nice there you. Go all? Right well that does it
for the cast of Teen. Wolf, yeah the into part,
One part. One, Yeah so, guys come back next. Week
we will jump in casting for The Monster. Squad we'll talk,
composers will talk special, effects we'll talk final judgment on
which of these two iconic monster movies is the. Best, bye,
(52:11):
Guys we'll see you next. Week to see you next,
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