February 28, 2025 • 15 mins
Have you ever had a stroke of genius that you believed could transform into something big? In this engaging episode, we follow Heidi's fascinating journey from a simple conversation in Australia to the complex world of app development for her idea, "2ferfun". This episode sheds light on the challenges she faces, from initial cost estimates to the chaos of navigating partnerships that seem good on paper but falter under scrutiny. With an enchanting blend of humor and realism, Heidi recounts the trials and encounters shaping her entrepreneurial spirit amid setbacks.Â
Listeners will resonate with her relatable struggles to find trustworthy allies while wrestling with the complexities of entrepreneurial relationships. As Heidi dives deeper into app development, her unexpected revelations and emotional reflections come to life, painting a vivid portrait of perseverance, intuition, and resilience. Whether you're an aspiring app developer, a dreamer with big ideas, or someone curious about the entrepreneurial landscape, this episode is full of valuable insights and hard-earned wisdom. Join us for a compelling discussion that mixes joy, intrigue, and practical advice. Subscribe for more inspiring content and share your thoughts about your own entrepreneurial experiences!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, this is Heidi and this is the
Surviving Changes podcast.
So we're heading from PuertoRico back to Seattle, but before
we do that, we need to back upjust one second so you can
understand why I even knew aboutthe Google program to get your
developer license.
(00:20):
So, as I was leaving Australia,one of the last things, um, as
I was looking for, you know, theflights and all that stuff,
Lisa and I are kind of talking,um, and I don't remember what
came up, but, uh, I said thatthere should be an app for that
and essentially, um, the appidea that I was thinking of, uh,
(00:42):
it ended up being called Twofor Fun and it mixed.
At the time, there was a lot oflike social people wanting to
meet up for dates or friendship,online stuff like that.
Also, the economy was a lotlike it is now to where people
wanted to like go do thingswithout spending a lot of money,
(01:03):
and so this app idea that I hadessentially connected people
who had a coupon or somethinglike that and either wanted
friendship or dating or just afree meal, whatever, and so they
could connect.
So, for instance, if you had abuy one, get one free movie, you
(01:23):
could put it up and say look,I'm looking for friendship or
relationship.
I got a free movie, it's notgoing to cost you anything,
let's connect, and so you knowthen somebody's not out, or they
can split it however they wantto do it.
But so I had that idea in myhead as I was leaving Australia.
(01:44):
I'm like, oh, there should bean app for that.
And I don't remember exactlywhat it was that I wanted it in
Australia.
When I looked for it it wasn'tthere, um.
But so then I get to PuertoRico and, um, I'm at the little
phone place and I'm signing upgetting my little new Puerto
Rican phone, because I didn'tknow the hurricanes were coming,
obviously.
So I'm trying up getting mylittle new Puerto Rican phone,
because I didn't know thehurricanes were coming,
(02:05):
obviously.
So I'm trying to get settledthe best I can, and the guy
who's selling me the phone says,hey, and if you have any
friends here on the island, ifyou sign them up, we have a
friends plan and it's only likeX amount of dollars more and you
both get the plan.
I'm like, oh shit, I was justthinking of an app for that
(02:27):
Somewhere right in then.
I didn't have the name,obviously, when I left Australia
.
Just the idea, but anyway.
So I explained it to the guywho sold me the phone.
He was like, oh, that's a greatidea.
And so I was still waiting forthat Australian money to come
back, you know, from the taxesthey had withheld and all that.
So I start looking into havingsomebody build this app.
(02:49):
How much it's going to cost?
It turns out it's costly.
It's crazy.
You want somebody to actuallydevelop a native app.
It's a lot of money and it'snot that quick.
And so I started looking for allkinds of different options or
people that would just buy theidea, and I think it was called
(03:09):
Ideas Apps LLC.
I remember it was in Texas.
I still have the letter heresomewhere that I wrote myself
before I met these people.
So I know first in line isfirst in right and I didn't know
if I could trust them, and so Iwrote myself a letter in Puerto
Rico with this idea that Icould open in court.
So it's still not open.
(03:29):
I don't remember exactly what Iwrote, but I know it met the
legal qualifications if theseguys stole my idea, um, but so
anyway, uh, so I meet with themand they're like, yeah,
absolutely, that's a great idea.
And they looked and put it intotheir computer.
Um, and their computer, youknow, if it scored a certain
(03:49):
amount or whatever, uh, on thiscategory or this category, then
they're like, yeah, we're in.
They either like offer to buildit for you to discount for part
of it or for free.
You know they had, depending onwhat their computer said.
But this one actually had likea third category, uh, because
they're like, well, we actuallycould add on all of the
(04:10):
restaurants, movie theaters, allthat type stuff and make them
users too and then get moneyfrom them.
And so, um, they're like that'sa great idea and so,
essentially, the deal.
So we made a deal, well, but itwasn't signed yet.
Um, but as part of that, I thinkit was like they were going to
(04:32):
give me like 25 000 and I'd get51 of it or something like that.
Um, which would be great.
I'm still the the um majority,because they did want to take it
public.
I'd still be the majorityshareholder in that um.
It was actually a semi there'sa hybrid public that they wanted
(04:53):
to take it.
But anyway, it didn't matter,because what happened was, as
part of that process, they haveinvestors that they go to and
have good ideas, and those guysall have x amount of money.
They've already proven up frontthat they can spend on any of
these ideas if they're goodideas.
And so they had gone to theirinvestors, and to do that they
(05:13):
had to have a little packet.
And they gave me the packet aswell, thinking I wouldn't read
it, because people obviouslydon't read that stuff usually.
But I'm a fine print reader, Iwas a fine print writer, I have
no problem reading it.
And so I see that these fuckersestimate this thing to be worth
like $52 million and theyoffered me $25,000.
(05:34):
And I was just hot as fuckbecause I felt like they were
trying to scam me Essentially,until I talked to the owner, get
in a fight with the owner, tellhim I'll get back to him, and
that's when I find out that Ican just build this thing myself
.
Right, but of course, at thatpoint in time'm in puerto rico.
I don't have a handler here.
I don't realize it at the timethat I'm being handled in all
(05:58):
these locations um, lisa, mybrother's friend, um fusion
member, all of that, and so, um,there, I didn't have a handler
in Puerto Rico, so I was kind of, for a little while, free from
this overreaching fusion centergroup, and obviously it was
(06:22):
making them crazy.
But I'm posting this stuff andpeople start coming out of the
woodwork again.
You know those people that careabout me so much.
What?
What's going on?
You have a great app idea andthese people already value this.
What'd you say?
But you need a little help.
You know how.
You know who it was.
(06:43):
It became pretty easy to spot alot of these fuckers after this
point because, although I didn'tknow there was a fusion center,
I got eyes, I got pretty goodintuition, and so, of course,
jana.
The same Jana who was feeding,bringing me food.
The same Jana that refused towrite a little declaration about
(07:06):
my health, even though she wasthe friend that was taking over
my health and my health records.
And the same Jana thatdistracted me at the deposition
while Dookie was killed thatJemma.
So she shows back up wanting tohelp, and right after Irma, she
(07:30):
immediately she doesn't ask me.
But so we're forming a littlegroup.
Well, heidi, we'll help you.
We don't have enough money todo all this.
But if you learn this, so weactually forming a little group?
Well, heidi, we'll help you.
We don't have enough money todo all this.
But if you learn this, and sowe actually created a board,
there was several members on theboard and actually, well, hold
on, I'll tell you that was thetext that these board supposed
(07:52):
friends and board members made,so they would have our text
group and then they would havean extra text group that they
would all talk to together, butalso with other people, and I
now know that was a fusioncenter.
But that's going to be one oftheir big downfalls, and here's
why.
So you know Amy the one that Itold you I listened to a lot,
(08:16):
one that I told you I listenedto a lot I think that we're
probably we have a connectionfrom many past lives based on
some energy classes in Australiaand some things that happen,
but I love listening to thestation regardless.
I don't listen to her on hercountry station, but I do listen
to that AG station and she's onfive days a week.
So if I'm listening to it, um,it's probably Martha Quinn or
(08:40):
her, uh, cause that's the timeof day that I usually listen,
right, um, but so everybody'slike oh, heidi's fucking
obsessed with Amy, obsessed withAmy, and I let them think that
at this point, because I had alittle earpiece that um I could
use.
And I got these in australia,right, it wasn't like a little
(09:01):
um, it was like for the phone,so it had several I could hook
it to my phone I I actually usedit on the scooter when I was
riding the scooter around inaustralia, but it came in a
little pack, one of them um inthat pack.
So two of them that looked verysimilar, right, the one that I
would use to listen to Amy, butthe other one that had the phone
(09:25):
stuff on it was also a hearingaid, and so I wore that thing
around a lot when they thought Iwas listening to Amy, when I
was actually listening to thethings that they were saying in
the other room.
Now, it didn't have great, itwasn't the best technology, but
it was good enough that by now Iknew there was a group of
(09:48):
people that were looking me inthe eyes and looking everybody
around me in the eyes, sayingthat they were helping me and
they were helping me.
So, anyway, janet buys thesetickets almost immediately and
says you got to come back, yougot to come back, we need you
back here, let's just do it allback here where you're safe.
And so she buys tickets liketwo or three days out, just
(10:10):
enough time for me to barely geta few things together.
Um, get palucci, his travelpapers and then make it back
there and invites me into herhouse.
Make sure it's completely umuncomfortable that I don't I, I
raised her son while I wasstaying there, so much that her
(10:31):
teachers, that his teachers.
When she showed up the firsttime, they're like who are you?
And I was like the mom andthey're like who are you?
And jenna's like the mom.
They're like we thought thatother one's a mom.
That's because they she kind ofkept me enslaved.
But at this point I knew Ineeded to wait the 10 years and
I'm in the other room being ableto listen to what they're doing
(10:52):
.
Sometimes, um, I'm stillgetting food.
I do like like the boy and so,um, but Jenna's telling
everybody she's helping me, butshe won't like give me a job.
She won't pay me for the workI'm doing.
She makes sure I'm in servitude.
I can't go anywhere without her.
Um, I can't buy anythingwithout her.
I can't eat unless it's at thehouse and it's food that I'm
(11:14):
making for the family.
Um, but she's telling everybodyshe's doing all these wonderful
things for me, I can see what'sgoing on, I can hear what's
going on and now I'm able tohook up to all of her internet
and everything, and so there's alot of stuff I'm not ever going
to show you from that time andalso from you're going to hear
(11:38):
about Chris down in ImperialBeach, which is another one of
my brother's friends, and alsoAngie another one of them Did a
lot of fucked up shit when weget there.
But one of the other thingsremember that I had done was I
had created an app and put it.
(12:00):
Maybe you don't know, I talkedabout it on TikTok.
I don't know if I talked aboutit here, but I needed evidence
from my brother and his friendsof some things that they were
doing and I knew it was going tobe on one of their phones.
And I also know that, even if Ican't admit something directly,
depending on how I get it.
(12:21):
So evidence comes to you inmany ways right and it has to be
in a certain chain of commandor authenticated, depending on
what it is.
There's different ways to getit into court and there's
different ways to use it, butyou can admit it or you can wait
until somebody gets up on thestand, like you don't have to
tell anybody.
You have this evidence.
If you're just going to use itfor impeachment purposes, and
(12:44):
that's all I've wanted, um, alot of this, for I know what I
can prove because I I can see it, I have it, but I want them,
motherfuckers, because a lot ofcriminal statute limitations
have, um, well, we'll see.
It depends on who's prosecutingit.
Truly, because it's also anongoing conspiracy.
(13:05):
So, um, but in my, in mythought, um, I would want this
evidence to be used asimpeachment, so I'll make my
claim as a, because I didn'tever expect or know that Trump
was going to be in there and weeventually would see justice on
this idea.
(13:26):
I didn't know for sure I wouldever even get a non-corrupt
court.
Remember, puerto Rico was goingto be the best federal court
that I could bring this case inand have a shot at being okay
and not being touched byWashington State corruption and
Ninth Circuit corruption, butstill be able to argue this case
.
(13:48):
These motherfuckers thought Iwas a down and out.
No, there's a lot that wentinto this.
Pieces of shit.
You're not going anywhere.
It's like you never, ever, metme.
It's like you never fucking metme.
It's like you never fucking metme.
Are you kidding me If it tookme a hundred years?
You pieces of shit.
Anyway, so a lot of thisevidence that I've gotten so I
(14:13):
got some from Chris is my point,I did put that app in the app
store.
I put it in just long enoughfor my brother's friend, chris,
who we'll talk about here,coming up in Imperial Beach
probably the next podcast injust a second but so I've got a
lot of impeachable evidence,probably admissible early on,
(14:34):
but impeachable because I reallywant them to get up on the
stand and lie and then I want toshow the jury and the judge
they're a liar, but then I alsowant them to commit those crimes
on the stand by lying underoath, and so before we start
that flight into Washington tolive with Jana, I think it's
(14:59):
important that you have thatbackground.
So, all right, this is Heidi,this is the surviving changes
podcast and we will um talkabout that Jana thing here soon.
Hello everyone, this is Heidi and this is the
Surviving Changes podcast.
So we're heading from PuertoRico back to Seattle, but before
we do that, we need to back upjust one second so you can
understand why I even knew aboutthe Google program to get your
developer license.
(00:20):
So, as I was leaving Australia,one of the last things, um, as
I was looking for, you know, theflights and all that stuff,
Lisa and I are kind of talking,um, and I don't remember what
came up, but, uh, I said thatthere should be an app for that
and essentially, um, the appidea that I was thinking of, uh,
(00:42):
it ended up being called Twofor Fun and it mixed.
At the time, there was a lot oflike social people wanting to
meet up for dates or friendship,online stuff like that.
Also, the economy was a lotlike it is now to where people
wanted to like go do thingswithout spending a lot of money,
(01:03):
and so this app idea that I hadessentially connected people
who had a coupon or somethinglike that and either wanted
friendship or dating or just afree meal, whatever, and so they
could connect.
So, for instance, if you had abuy one, get one free movie, you
(01:23):
could put it up and say look,I'm looking for friendship or
relationship.
I got a free movie, it's notgoing to cost you anything,
let's connect, and so you knowthen somebody's not out, or they
can split it however they wantto do it.
But so I had that idea in myhead as I was leaving Australia.
(01:44):
I'm like, oh, there should bean app for that.
And I don't remember exactlywhat it was that I wanted it in
Australia.
When I looked for it it wasn'tthere, um.
But so then I get to PuertoRico and, um, I'm at the little
phone place and I'm signing upgetting my little new Puerto
Rican phone, because I didn'tknow the hurricanes were coming,
obviously.
So I'm trying up getting mylittle new Puerto Rican phone,
because I didn't know thehurricanes were coming,
(02:05):
obviously.
So I'm trying to get settledthe best I can, and the guy
who's selling me the phone says,hey, and if you have any
friends here on the island, ifyou sign them up, we have a
friends plan and it's only likeX amount of dollars more and you
both get the plan.
I'm like, oh shit, I was justthinking of an app for that
(02:27):
Somewhere right in then.
I didn't have the name,obviously, when I left Australia
.
Just the idea, but anyway.
So I explained it to the guywho sold me the phone.
He was like, oh, that's a greatidea.
And so I was still waiting forthat Australian money to come
back, you know, from the taxesthey had withheld and all that.
So I start looking into havingsomebody build this app.
(02:49):
How much it's going to cost?
It turns out it's costly.
It's crazy.
You want somebody to actuallydevelop a native app.
It's a lot of money and it'snot that quick.
And so I started looking for allkinds of different options or
people that would just buy theidea, and I think it was called
(03:09):
Ideas Apps LLC.
I remember it was in Texas.
I still have the letter heresomewhere that I wrote myself
before I met these people.
So I know first in line isfirst in right and I didn't know
if I could trust them, and so Iwrote myself a letter in Puerto
Rico with this idea that Icould open in court.
So it's still not open.
(03:29):
I don't remember exactly what Iwrote, but I know it met the
legal qualifications if theseguys stole my idea, um, but so
anyway, uh, so I meet with themand they're like, yeah,
absolutely, that's a great idea.
And they looked and put it intotheir computer.
Um, and their computer, youknow, if it scored a certain
(03:49):
amount or whatever, uh, on thiscategory or this category, then
they're like, yeah, we're in.
They either like offer to buildit for you to discount for part
of it or for free.
You know they had, depending onwhat their computer said.
But this one actually had likea third category, uh, because
they're like, well, we actuallycould add on all of the
(04:10):
restaurants, movie theaters, allthat type stuff and make them
users too and then get moneyfrom them.
And so, um, they're like that'sa great idea and so,
essentially, the deal.
So we made a deal, well, but itwasn't signed yet.
Um, but as part of that, I thinkit was like they were going to
(04:32):
give me like 25 000 and I'd get51 of it or something like that.
Um, which would be great.
I'm still the the um majority,because they did want to take it
public.
I'd still be the majorityshareholder in that um.
It was actually a semi there'sa hybrid public that they wanted
(04:53):
to take it.
But anyway, it didn't matter,because what happened was, as
part of that process, they haveinvestors that they go to and
have good ideas, and those guysall have x amount of money.
They've already proven up frontthat they can spend on any of
these ideas if they're goodideas.
And so they had gone to theirinvestors, and to do that they
(05:13):
had to have a little packet.
And they gave me the packet aswell, thinking I wouldn't read
it, because people obviouslydon't read that stuff usually.
But I'm a fine print reader, Iwas a fine print writer, I have
no problem reading it.
And so I see that these fuckersestimate this thing to be worth
like $52 million and theyoffered me $25,000.
(05:34):
And I was just hot as fuckbecause I felt like they were
trying to scam me Essentially,until I talked to the owner, get
in a fight with the owner, tellhim I'll get back to him, and
that's when I find out that Ican just build this thing myself
.
Right, but of course, at thatpoint in time'm in puerto rico.
I don't have a handler here.
I don't realize it at the timethat I'm being handled in all
(05:58):
these locations um, lisa, mybrother's friend, um fusion
member, all of that, and so, um,there, I didn't have a handler
in Puerto Rico, so I was kind of, for a little while, free from
this overreaching fusion centergroup, and obviously it was
(06:22):
making them crazy.
But I'm posting this stuff andpeople start coming out of the
woodwork again.
You know those people that careabout me so much.
What?
What's going on?
You have a great app idea andthese people already value this.
What'd you say?
But you need a little help.
You know how.
You know who it was.
(06:43):
It became pretty easy to spot alot of these fuckers after this
point because, although I didn'tknow there was a fusion center,
I got eyes, I got pretty goodintuition, and so, of course,
jana.
The same Jana who was feeding,bringing me food.
The same Jana that refused towrite a little declaration about
(07:06):
my health, even though she wasthe friend that was taking over
my health and my health records.
And the same Jana thatdistracted me at the deposition
while Dookie was killed thatJemma.
So she shows back up wanting tohelp, and right after Irma, she
(07:30):
immediately she doesn't ask me.
But so we're forming a littlegroup.
Well, heidi, we'll help you.
We don't have enough money todo all this.
But if you learn this, so weactually forming a little group?
Well, heidi, we'll help you.
We don't have enough money todo all this.
But if you learn this, and sowe actually created a board,
there was several members on theboard and actually, well, hold
on, I'll tell you that was thetext that these board supposed
(07:52):
friends and board members made,so they would have our text
group and then they would havean extra text group that they
would all talk to together, butalso with other people, and I
now know that was a fusioncenter.
But that's going to be one oftheir big downfalls, and here's
why.
So you know Amy the one that Itold you I listened to a lot,
(08:16):
one that I told you I listenedto a lot I think that we're
probably we have a connectionfrom many past lives based on
some energy classes in Australiaand some things that happen,
but I love listening to thestation regardless.
I don't listen to her on hercountry station, but I do listen
to that AG station and she's onfive days a week.
So if I'm listening to it, um,it's probably Martha Quinn or
(08:40):
her, uh, cause that's the timeof day that I usually listen,
right, um, but so everybody'slike oh, heidi's fucking
obsessed with Amy, obsessed withAmy, and I let them think that
at this point, because I had alittle earpiece that um I could
use.
And I got these in australia,right, it wasn't like a little
(09:01):
um, it was like for the phone,so it had several I could hook
it to my phone I I actually usedit on the scooter when I was
riding the scooter around inaustralia, but it came in a
little pack, one of them um inthat pack.
So two of them that looked verysimilar, right, the one that I
would use to listen to Amy, butthe other one that had the phone
(09:25):
stuff on it was also a hearingaid, and so I wore that thing
around a lot when they thought Iwas listening to Amy, when I
was actually listening to thethings that they were saying in
the other room.
Now, it didn't have great, itwasn't the best technology, but
it was good enough that by now Iknew there was a group of
(09:48):
people that were looking me inthe eyes and looking everybody
around me in the eyes, sayingthat they were helping me and
they were helping me.
So, anyway, janet buys thesetickets almost immediately and
says you got to come back, yougot to come back, we need you
back here, let's just do it allback here where you're safe.
And so she buys tickets liketwo or three days out, just
(10:10):
enough time for me to barely geta few things together.
Um, get palucci, his travelpapers and then make it back
there and invites me into herhouse.
Make sure it's completely umuncomfortable that I don't I, I
raised her son while I wasstaying there, so much that her
(10:31):
teachers, that his teachers.
When she showed up the firsttime, they're like who are you?
And I was like the mom andthey're like who are you?
And jenna's like the mom.
They're like we thought thatother one's a mom.
That's because they she kind ofkept me enslaved.
But at this point I knew Ineeded to wait the 10 years and
I'm in the other room being ableto listen to what they're doing
(10:52):
.
Sometimes, um, I'm stillgetting food.
I do like like the boy and so,um, but Jenna's telling
everybody she's helping me, butshe won't like give me a job.
She won't pay me for the workI'm doing.
She makes sure I'm in servitude.
I can't go anywhere without her.
Um, I can't buy anythingwithout her.
I can't eat unless it's at thehouse and it's food that I'm
(11:14):
making for the family.
Um, but she's telling everybodyshe's doing all these wonderful
things for me, I can see what'sgoing on, I can hear what's
going on and now I'm able tohook up to all of her internet
and everything, and so there's alot of stuff I'm not ever going
to show you from that time andalso from you're going to hear
(11:38):
about Chris down in ImperialBeach, which is another one of
my brother's friends, and alsoAngie another one of them Did a
lot of fucked up shit when weget there.
But one of the other thingsremember that I had done was I
had created an app and put it.
(12:00):
Maybe you don't know, I talkedabout it on TikTok.
I don't know if I talked aboutit here, but I needed evidence
from my brother and his friendsof some things that they were
doing and I knew it was going tobe on one of their phones.
And I also know that, even if Ican't admit something directly,
depending on how I get it.
(12:21):
So evidence comes to you inmany ways right and it has to be
in a certain chain of commandor authenticated, depending on
what it is.
There's different ways to getit into court and there's
different ways to use it, butyou can admit it or you can wait
until somebody gets up on thestand, like you don't have to
tell anybody.
You have this evidence.
If you're just going to use itfor impeachment purposes, and
(12:44):
that's all I've wanted, um, alot of this, for I know what I
can prove because I I can see it, I have it, but I want them,
motherfuckers, because a lot ofcriminal statute limitations
have, um, well, we'll see.
It depends on who's prosecutingit.
Truly, because it's also anongoing conspiracy.
(13:05):
So, um, but in my, in mythought, um, I would want this
evidence to be used asimpeachment, so I'll make my
claim as a, because I didn'tever expect or know that Trump
was going to be in there and weeventually would see justice on
this idea.
(13:26):
I didn't know for sure I wouldever even get a non-corrupt
court.
Remember, puerto Rico was goingto be the best federal court
that I could bring this case inand have a shot at being okay
and not being touched byWashington State corruption and
Ninth Circuit corruption, butstill be able to argue this case
.
(13:48):
These motherfuckers thought Iwas a down and out.
No, there's a lot that wentinto this.
Pieces of shit.
You're not going anywhere.
It's like you never, ever, metme.
It's like you never fucking metme.
It's like you never fucking metme.
Are you kidding me If it tookme a hundred years?
You pieces of shit.
Anyway, so a lot of thisevidence that I've gotten so I
(14:13):
got some from Chris is my point,I did put that app in the app
store.
I put it in just long enoughfor my brother's friend, chris,
who we'll talk about here,coming up in Imperial Beach
probably the next podcast injust a second but so I've got a
lot of impeachable evidence,probably admissible early on,
(14:34):
but impeachable because I reallywant them to get up on the
stand and lie and then I want toshow the jury and the judge
they're a liar, but then I alsowant them to commit those crimes
on the stand by lying underoath, and so before we start
that flight into Washington tolive with Jana, I think it's
(14:59):
important that you have thatbackground.
So, all right, this is Heidi,this is the surviving changes
podcast and we will um talkabout that Jana thing here soon.
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