March 2, 2025 • 38 mins
Join us as we experience a deeply personal narrative of healing, resilience, and exploration in this compelling episode of Surviving Changes. Mark shares his unexpected journey beginning with a colorectal cancer diagnosis that brought an 11% survival rate and a plethora of life-altering emotions. Every twist of this story beckons listeners to reflect on the intertwining aspects of belief, community, and alternative healing methods. Take a seat as Mark and Heidi discuss how meaningful conversations and the natural world—especially the energetic properties of crystals—can lead us towards healing.
Through personal anecdotes and profound insights, this episode aims to encourage those facing challenges to harness the power of connection and belief in their healing journeys. Witness how Mark navigated through the shadows of fear, self-doubt, and societal expectations to illuminate a personal truth that keeps him alive and thriving today. This episode becomes a tapestry of inspiration and insight, inviting everyone to explore their paths to healing and growth.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone.
This is Heidi and Mark, andthis is the Surviving Changes
podcast.
Hi, everybody.
So where we left off was I washeading back.
I had just done time in the bigfour days for auto theft and
(00:26):
I'm heading back now to see Mark.
He's just been diagnosed withcancer and he's asked me to come
back for just a little bit oftime but that was before the big
house to help with the energystuff, and so that's where we're
(00:47):
at.
Okay, Mark, tell me about, tellme about.
I guess, tell them about.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Um, like your diagnosis and stuff and then
we'll go from there.
Well, I had, just as it'srelevant to me, I had, in the
year previous, lost a 14-yearrelationship and then started
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working out and getting in shapeand exercising and really
trying to take care of myself.
I'd lost like 90 pounds in ninemonths and was feeling pretty
good about myself and thenstarted having some issues.
Went in and I don't likedoctors, like many people, but
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went in as a doctor, wentthrough a bunch of stuff, ended
up getting diagnosed withcolorectal cancer and they gave
me an 11% chance of survivingfive years.
That was in March of 2018.
And it was the biggest thingthat I took away was that the
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doctor annoyed me because hedelivered it like I had a cold
sore and that really grated onme.
But the interesting thing wasthat I never really got that
foreboding sense of doom.
It landed on me that I wasgoing to have a war, a battle,
but I never accepted that.
What they said was true, that Ididn't have a very good chance
(02:34):
of surviving.
All that being said, I knew thatI wanted to put everything in
my favor that I possibly could.
I was born and raised in church, christian, all of that and in
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that exposure I had been to fullgospel churches that speak in
tongues and lay on of hands ofhealing, and I'd seen healings
take place.
So I was, at least at somelevel, open to the possibility
that there was more power outthere than we tapped into.
(03:22):
I don't know how to really saythat power out there than we
tapped into.
I don't know how to really saythat, but, like Heidi has said,
when she was on her journeyaround the globe, she had
experienced some things inAustralia and it piqued my
curiosity.
So, under the context ofputting everything in my favor
(03:43):
that I possibly could, I wantedto learn more about it and I
knew that talking on the phonewell, you've all heard Heidi
talk and having a meaningfulconversation on the phone with
her that got to where I wantedto get was going to be hard and
the uh, the uh.
(04:05):
Yeah, a little selfishness thereon my part.
Mental meanderings get hard tofollow, but I love you, heidi, I
love you too was to get her uphere where we could sit down and
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talk and and originally it was,the thought was just for a few
days, maybe a week or something,and I, and I think it ended up
gosh, I don't even remember it acouple of months probably, um,
before you headed back South, um.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I headed so I can tell you because you I'm sure
you know the dates.
So I was there because we'lltell the crystal deal.
Oh, it just made a weird noise.
I was making sure nothing shutoff.
Okay, we'll tell the crystaldeal.
But so I know that I leftshortly, remember, because I
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didn't show up to court for myvery first court hearing on the
car thing, because it was yourvery.
Was it your very firstradiation?
It wasn't.
It was my second court hearingthat I took off, so it had to
have been like two months,probably two months.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, that's probably about right.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I think you had finished your radiation, you had
finished something.
You had just done your finalsomething.
I do know that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It would have had to been radiation because my
surgery was May 14th and then Istarted radiation after that and
that went for six weeks.
I know you went with me to gowhen I had minor surgery to get
the port put in right In Spokane.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Uh-huh, yeah, but you did all your radiation all on
your own.
Yeah, yeah, but I did wait.
I know that I rememberconsciously filing waiting
because now that I was alreadythere and with all the shit that
was going on, and now that Iwas a potential felon, I had no
place to stay anymore.
I remember filing that I wouldat least stay through radiation
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to make sure everything was okayin my head, but I think it was
a little past then.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But anyway, yeah, because it took a little bit to
coordinate the van and all that.
Who's a, what's it?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
and get things going.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The wig committee I'll do a podcast on the wig
committee in and of themselves,so so, okay, so anyway so I I
coerced my sister who wasn'tworking into going down to get
you First, my sister who wasn'tworking into going down to get
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you and bring you back.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And because she likes road trips and it seemed like a
good thing and ended up,ultimately, there was some
baggage that came out of thatwhole scenario.
There always is.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
No good deed goes unpunished.
Yeah, isn't that the truth?
But yeah, so you came up andhung out and we spent hours and
hours sitting in my garage Meand my comfy office chair that I
had out in the garage, justtalking and exploring things,
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and me trying to understand andaccept a possibility that was
beyond my mortal comprehension.
Does that sound cryptic enough?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, I remember telling you that a year from
then it wasn't going to be aproblem.
One way or the other, Iremember looking at it this way,
Mark Regardless a year from now, we're either going to know you
won or you're going to be gone.
You better be here.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yep, I recall that too, and that statement was made
more than once, more than once.
And look here I am, almost sixyears from my diagnosis now.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I could have been a felon coming back there.
I could have stayed in Cabo.
I'm not mad about it anymore.
Thank you for living man.
I would have been mad.
I would have been so damn madyeah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Could have gone a lot different than it did, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Cost me five grand to get that fucking thing off my
record.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I'll sue him.
At some point You're allegedcar theft.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Exactly.
Well, I beat the charges soclearly it was a false charge.
Yeah, Anyway, all right.
So talking and talking andtalking, one of the things.
So let's get to the radiation,because that's um really like,
there's a lot of things, words Idon't want to put in your mouth
(09:08):
, like you've already said them,but a lot of the ones I really
don't want to put in your mouthum have to do with how we,
because I've told these guys, ummark is now here to stay from
this part.
Whether you do any morepodcasts or not, I don't know,
but I've already told them thatyou're here to stay.
You know, are you making weirdnoises?
(09:29):
Is that your puppy?
What do I hear over there?
What are you doing, mark?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's Bella trying to get my attention because I'm
talking to someone and it's nother.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I was like this is not the time for that, Mark.
Oh my God, you can wait a fewminutes.
Oh, fuck, Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
No, remember, remember, I'm being careful
about my Google searches nowRight Jeez so so one thing, one
thing about this that I I don'tin in the whole timeline.
It was very early on, I thinkit was before you, and I think
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it kind of sets a precedent forthis.
Um, when I went to the river incameo, you hadn't gotten here
yet, right when I, when I wentand sat in the river no, yes, I
had.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
yes, no, I was here.
When you did that, I was here.
You went without me.
You left me.
Yeah, you went up.
Did you go with What's-Her-Face?
It was when you kept leaving.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, I went by myself.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Okay, but it was when you were with the gal, the
skinny gal.
Why can't I think of her name?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, it the skinny gal.
Why?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
can't.
I think of her name.
It was.
Well, it was before my surgery.
It was then.
Did you go again?
No, because we talked about itin the garage.
We talked about um.
I remember you beforehand andthen coming back and telling me
that you had just let everythinggo.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Oh, that was that.
Was you're thinking of thecamping?
I think you're thinking aboutthe camping trip I went on in
August.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh For the weekend, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
After I got my.
I got my diagnosis, and one ofthe reasons why the diagnosis
was so severe was because theyfound spots on my liver.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Which had indicated that the cancer had spread from
the origin site.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But I was there for that because remember my friend
Juan in Puerto Rico do youremember how I?
Because those spots you wentand did the river thing, but in
that meantime, from thediagnosis and then you got those
spots, we got on the phone withJuan for a minute and he had
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you put your hands a certain way, your fingers a certain way,
and he said a couple things andthen he said you're healed or
something, and told me not toworry about it anymore, and then
your spots were gone and so.
But I know it was also I don'tknow what I don anymore, and
then your spots were gone and so, but I know it was also.
I don't know what.
I don't know what made thespots be gone, but I do remember
thinking at that point in timeHoly shit, what was, what were
(12:14):
the words that Juan said, whatwere the?
Because that was something Ifiled.
I'm almost positive that I wasthere before the spots were gone
, like Could be.
Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Because that's one of the incidents that really
opened me up to this was thatthe spots were there and then I
went and sat in the river andjust visualized the sun.
You know without a shirt in myshorts, and sat in the river up
to my waist and just visualizedthe sun baking all the negative
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crap out of my body and flushingit into the river.
Sorry for everybody that wasdownstream in the river for that
.
Oh well.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
No, I was there for that.
That was at the same time I hada.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
PET scan done and the spots were gone off of my liver
.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And I remember being in the garage getting and
talking about that and how thathappened and how the doctor
couldn't.
It was like it was there andit's not there.
I was.
I was with you at that point.
I know that for sure, Cause Iremember sitting in the garage
and you and your little chairand me and the other one yeah,
(13:30):
Okay, Well and I think I thinkwe weren't even taking.
Taking, um, we weren't likesmoking out of a pipe, we were
taking the wax hits.
I think we were even doinglittle wax hits right then,
because there was few could havebeen.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It gets it events.
There are events that stand out, but where they land on the
timeline gets a little fuzzythings.
Uh, forgive me, things were alittle, um no it happens in my
world right then it happens withme too.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I um, because I've uh thought about it on this
podcast.
Afterwards I'll say something.
I'll be like oh crap, that'sactually like a year down the
timeline, or you know what Imean.
There's's it's hard, especially.
Yeah, so we're doing the bestwe can.
It happens.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And it's all.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
The facts are all correct, it's just a matter of
when.
But yeah, it blends, I get it.
I don't remember what it was,but I remember, with the
transcript I think it was one ofthe transcripts and me reading
it back thinking no, that's offby like a little bit of time
right there.
But whatever, yeah it happens?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
well, uh, we're, we're.
I assert that we're trying tobuild a, an overview, and not a
detailed exactly minute byminute, the earlier so.
So, yeah, that was that me up,and then the next experience was
um the crystals.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, so I think that was, that was, yeah, I that was
.
I think so, and that was um forme.
That now I know for you, soI'll let you tell yours, let me
tell my side first, and then youcan tell your end of it.
So that was your first, wasn'tthat your first?
It was one of the first timesyou were heading off without me,
(15:22):
so I don't remember.
And you were going for a while.
Do you remember whatappointment you were going to?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I was actually going to the west side over to Seattle
area.
Aha, okay, I couldn't rememberand I can't remember.
I don't remember exactly why.
I want to say it was for one ofmy like the last model airplane
contest I went to or something,but I'm not sure.
Or maybe going to, I don't know, I don't remember.
(15:51):
I just remember I was overbecause I was on I-5, driving
down I-5.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, so set the stage.
Um, I got back to Mark's andwhen I haven't seen you for a
long time like we've talked onFacebook and stuff, but what was
the last time I seen you beforethat, do you remember?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Oh, it would have been 95 or 96.
No.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
No, because I dated your.
I took your daughter off ofvacation.
You babysat my daughter.
I saw you then because youdropped her off.
Yes, god, I love you.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I delivered my daughter into the hands of the
wolf.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
then I delivered my daughter into the hands of the
wolf, then I was good, I promise.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Oh, I've had conversations with her since
then, so yeah, Funny.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, so I now have been.
You guys know I've told youI've been through Australia,
I've been through all the crap,we've been through Tokyo, we've
been through Singapore, we'vebeen through Australia,
manchester, abu Dhabi, lost myluggage in JFK, all the, got the
hurricanes and now I'm all theway.
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I'm beat up is the hurricanesand now I'm all the way I'm beat
up is the point and I get thereand I have my stuff as
organized as possible.
But along the way I'vecollected essentially rocks and
crystals, some things like that,not too much.
I haven't had a lot of moneyand I've had to carry all this
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stuff.
But, um, I've found stuff thatI believe has energetic value
and I've treated it as such.
But also, when I first get toMark's, there were rose, rose,
quartz, mark, that your dad had.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Those take a trip across country every four years
to see the family in Georgia andthey were quartz crystals that
(18:08):
I had bought at a placesomewhere on one of the trips
when I was like 10 or 11 yearsold, because I thought they were
cool.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh, hold on, I got to turn that off.
That's my.
That's Juan.
My best friend from Puerto Ricohas given me a call.
I love those guys, Okay.
So anyway, the courts, sorryabout that.
So the he had two courts thatwere sitting up.
Why did I associate in my headyour dad?
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I had, for some reason, when Iwas going to reprogram them, I
kept in my mind that there wasdad memories, family memories.
Maybe it was family memoriesthat needed to stay.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, there were family memories, Definitely
family memories, family memoriesdefinitely family memories.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So, okay, so Mark takes off to go to his stuff, um
, and I sit down, relax, startpulling out all my stuff,
probably grab something to eat,probably take a hit of wax that
he left for me Thank you, thattype stuff, um, and I grabbed my
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box of rocks and crystals and Igrab the two that I saw sitting
on the shelf, these two rosequartz, and I start pulling them
all out and I know that I'mgoing to kind of reprogram the
rose quartz, cleanse them andreprogram them for healing.
But then I'm looking through allof my other stuff rocks and
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things like that and asking themwhich ones want to be part of
Mark's journey and this journey.
And I know it sounds crazy, butthere were very clear ones to
me that said, all right, I do,no, I don't want to be part of
this.
Yeah, I do, maybe if you needme, shit like that.
But so I pull them all out andthen I grab these two rose
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quartz and I'm like, well, thisis where we need to start.
And it was very clear that theyheld a lot of energy and a lot
of memory in them.
They're fairly powerful,they're a fairly decent size the
size of my palm.
Is that right, mark?
Something like that I remember.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, they're easily six inches.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Six inches long, and one of them is a double crystal.
It has a secondary crystalcoming off of it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, it was clear that they held power, but they
also felt like a full computer,like they had absorbed a lot and
they hadn't been rebooted ordefragmented or anything like
that in a long time.
And so I grabbed them and Iwent over to and I grabbed some
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salt.
I don't remember, I think itwas just regular salt.
You didn't use pink salt, right, I think it was white salt.
I grabbed whatever salt wasthere.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I do have.
I do have pink emily and salthere and have had for a long
time oh, then maybe it was pink.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, maybe it was pink, um, but anyway I know, I
grabbed salt, whatever salt wasnearby, and started running the
water and then I startedreprogramming those two crystals
, um to keep the essentialfamily memories, and obviously I
didn't know what those were, soI was trusting that the
computer was going to knowitself which those were and then
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to wash away the rest and thento reprogram the rest of those
crystals for healing, just likeI had learned in those classes.
And I know, although it soundscrazy, I saw it in the classes
and so that's what I was doing.
Now I hadn't done it.
This was when you called me.
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It was obviously as much of ashock to me as you, and it's
been neat ever since.
But so then I went and sat downand then you called me.
As soon as I sat down, youcalled me.
I went and sat down, and thenyou called me.
As soon as I sat down, youcalled me, and so what happened
on your end?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, I was.
I was.
This is why it's so vivid.
I knew I was on the West sidebecause I was driving out down
I-5 and it wasn't rush hour, butit was.
It's I-5.
There's surrounded by cars doing65, 70 miles an hour down the
freeway, cars doing 65, 70 milesan hour down the freeway and
all of a sudden there was it'sso hard to describe, but there
was a wave of energy that wentthrough me, through my truck,
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and it was like.
It was like watching a moviewhere they warp the visual
everything just kind of shiftedand changed and it was just
obvious that there was somethinggoing on that was not normal.
Um, everything worked and Idon't know why, but I'm.
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It came through my mind.
I think we'd had a briefconversation about crystals and
all of that before I'd left, andnot nothing in depth.
Yeah, I think we had a briefconversation about crystals and
all of that before I left,Nothing in depth.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, I think I said I was going to set them up.
I think I asked for yourpermission if it was okay for me
to set some stuff up around thehouse and I set up some healing
water.
Actually, we made some, youknow, just shit like that.
So it was probably that that wehad the conversation about.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
But I remember I think I started off by texting
you because I'm driving, whichthat's not an admission of guilt
.
I may have pulled over to theside.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Statue of limitations For anybody listening.
Statue of limitations way overRight Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Okay, we're fine.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, now a lot of stuff I've talked about have
been like well, good thingthere's no statute of
limitations on that anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, so I texted you because I wasn't sure, but I
also didn't want to lead youinto answering what I wanted for
an answer, if that makes sense.
I wanted it to be, and I thinkmy my comment was hey, Heidi,
what are you doing right now?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
It was.
It was something exactly likethat, because all I did I cause,
as soon as that came through, Ihad to giggle um, because I I
knew those rose quartz had some.
They have some significantenergy to them, and so I just
took my phone and I had all ofthe rocks and crystals out and
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those two rose quartz.
I think that maybe, I thinkthose rose quartz I might have
still had them on the sink atthat time under the sun, but
anyway, I just took a picture ofall of the rocks and quartz
that I was setting up and thatwas all.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
This is what I did picture of all of the rocks and
courts that I was setting up andthat was all.
And then, yeah, that was it.
And at that point it becamepretty obvious that my interest
and exploration in the healingthat we were looking at was
going to pay dividends or atleast have impact.
Right, because it wasn't, itwasn't preconceived, it wasn't
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discussed, there was no, therewas no reason for me to suspect
that that was going on, otherthan the fact that you had asked
me for permission to dosomething with my crystals, to
do something with my crystals.
And so it was a very profoundmoment where I had teased myself
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with ideas about the universeand all of that.
And of course, I'd listened toyou for years talk about that
stuff.
And I nodded, nice and said,well, that's wonderful, that's
nice, heidi, I'm so glad youfound that for yourself.
And then it's like slapped mein the face and go no, you need
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to listen.
And so I did.
But it's quite a leap going from, you know, at that point, 59
years of being brought up in themainstream Christian church.
You know that all of this otherstuff is evil and dangerous and
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bad, and I certainly agree thatsome of it could be.
But as I looked at it andstarted exploring for myself.
The best way to say it would beI had a revelation.
I guess, or an epiphany if youwill, that we both believe that
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Jesus walked the earth and thathe healed people.
And if you read the scriptures,only a few of those healings
are ever described as miracles,and a miracle is an event
without logic that takes place,to be simplistic about
describing it.
But Jesus healed a lot of peoplethat were not described as
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miracles.
Well, he didn't have a CAT scanor a PET scan or an MRI, or he
didn't even have a doctor'sleather bag to carry around with
him.
So how did he heal those people?
And the answer to that questionfor me was he used the healing
properties that are inherent inus as individuals each of us and
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he used the energy that'spresent on the earth that allows
us to tap in and be connectedwith each other.
And that's also where theconnection between you and I
really started to become defined, I guess is one way to say it.
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We started to be able to seethat connection for what it was,
and I, to this day, have noexplanation why you and I became
connected, have no explanationwhy you and I became connected
um the universe.
Obviously, obviously had it inmind when I hired you to come to
work and wash cars in the snowfor me.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
You had to bring it up to you.
I told everybody on my mytiktok.
I'm like when I was I don'tknow if you watched it did you
watch it?
Like he would make me watch thetranscript I?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
read the transcript yeah, oh, man.
And note important note eversince you told me that it
bothered you, that I teased youabout that, I haven't brought it
up.
This is the first time I'vebrought it up in five or six
years now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
It's okay now.
I don't care now.
It sucked when I had to.
That was my only option to feedmy daughter at 525.
I'm out there freezing my ass.
I'm there for eight hours andafter taxes I'm getting $32 to
go out there for eight hours andfreeze my ass up so I can feed
my kid and you're fucking withme on it.
No, bug me then, Doesn't bug menow.
(28:53):
It's okay Then.
I could have kicked you in theteeth if I had the opportunity,
but you're my boss.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, well, yeah, anyway, I love you.
So it's been an interestingjourney and there's lots of
other little tiny things thathappened here and there, but the
crystal thing is the one thingthat at that point I had to
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decide.
I had to really look at it andmake a decision, because it was
very obvious that there was anenergy here that I'd never
experienced, that real.
It was very real.
I mean, it was kind of like ifyou stand up too fast and you
get lightheaded.
It was kind of that sensationwhen it went through me.
(29:49):
And it only lasted for four orfive seconds.
Here again, that's theclarification for those who
might be listening, who want tothink that I was driving
impaired on the highway.
If nothing else, you've taughtme to cover my ass.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Right on, right on.
The good news about this is Idon't have it to where they can
leave us comments.
Now there's probably reviews onthis podcast, but I've never
checked.
Only the people on TikTok cantell me what they think, and
they all think we're great, sodon't worry.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Okay, okay, fair enough, funny and funny.
So, yeah, that's that's whatforced me down.
And of course it's a five orsix hour drive back and I
remember the whole time I wasover there whenever my brain
wasn't otherwise occupied.
I'm trying to explain this tomyself in terms of what I'd
(30:44):
experienced in life in the 59years prior to that life in the
59 years prior to that, andthere just was no logical
explanation.
And that's when I startedexploring my somewhat limited
knowledge of the Bible and theverses and the things there, and
I started reading into that andlooking at that, and then the
(31:05):
whole drive home, you know thefive or six hour drive home and
my brain is just constantly onthat the whole time.
And that's when I came up withmy revelation slash epiphany
about Jesus tapping into theuniverse to heal people, right
In those non-miracle scenarios.
(31:28):
And so I was able to be atpeace with that and at peace
with other things.
Now, that being said, I will saythat there's still.
If there's energy for the light, there's also energy for the
dark, and the same energy can goboth ways.
So, to those listening, I'm notsaying that all energy you
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experience is good energy.
By any means, you have to beresponsible, right.
I believe that you know a lotof people get tarot card
readings and there is realenergy involved in that when
it's done for other than asideshow, right, and Ouija
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boards and runes and all ofthose sort of things, and so one
must be responsible.
I am not condoning it in theChristian world to be across the
board good, but there'sdefinitely energy in the
universe that's there for us totap into.
And, like Heidi started offsaying, I had determined that I
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was going to do everything Icould to swing the odds in my
favor, especially after havingto sit down and tell my mom that
I had cancer and they didn'tthink I was going to live.
That was one of the mostpainful conversations I think
I've ever had in my life and youknow what my mom got to see me
healed.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, she did, she did.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And that was one of the best conversations I've ever
had.
Sorry it still that's alrightit still lands pretty hard today
.
It's pretty real.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I got a little tear myself, don't worry, I just was
able to keep my lip in place,yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
So, so yeah, that's kind of like a a little glimpse
into the first half of thejourney, at least the first part
.
And, um, I sit here today andI'm not on any medications any
(33:55):
medications.
I am cancer-free.
There are repercussions fromthe chemo, mostly that I deal
with, and from the surgery,because they removed a pretty
good chunk of excess materialfrom my abdomen that they
decided I didn't need, abdomenthat they decided I didn't need.
(34:18):
But other than the long-termeffects of the chemo and the
surgery, I am healthy andcancer-free and I wake up every
morning thankful to be aliveEvery morning.
Every day is a good day.
Some are good or not, every dayis a good day.
Right, some are good or another, every day is a good day.
So, and and and and.
(34:39):
I've learned, and, and I'llprobably end up if, if we get on
here again, I'll probably endup talking about my perspective
on emotions and trials andthings that we go through, but
I've learned that everyexperience is valuable whether
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it's positive, whether it'sperceived to be positive or
negative, or oh.
that's a horrible thing when mymom passed horribly painful,
horribly painful experience fora lot of reasons, not the least
of which is certain familymembers that I won't go into at
(35:23):
this point.
But the fact that it hurt asbad as it did and I shed as many
tears as I did is a good thing,because it's indicative of my,
my love for who my mom was andstill is in my heart.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So you learn to to take all of those in your
journeys, your the theexperiences you've been through.
You wouldn't want to go throughthem again, but they're part of
the experience of being aliveas a human being on the earth,
and without them your life isshallow and meaningless.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I love every single one of them.
Now that I made it through, Ilove every single one there was
when I was wondering how I wasgoing to make it through at the
time.
Now, that was a little.
People always worried about mycomfort more than I worried
about my comfort, which wasweird as far as, like, the
comfort in the van and you knowwhat I mean, things like that.
(36:22):
But now, now that I'm throughit, it's all fun as shit, but
I'm through it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, Now it's fun as shit, but I'm through it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yep, yep, yeah, now it's I don't know.
I kind of feel like that mightbe a good.
We have a lot more we couldtalk about.
No, it's a great spot.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It's 37 minutes, 36, 37 minutes.
That's great for them.
We can do more if you'rewilling to do more and finish
the last half of your radiationand me getting in the van and
heading out.
You're going to be on thisjourney for the whole time.
I'm talking about you from hereon out, regardless.
So if you want to defendyourself, you're going to need
to get on here.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
There are a few things that I'm ashamed of, that
it's all reality.
It's all reality.
It is what it is, and we're ourown worst critics and we judge
ourselves, but the reality is Idid what I did in the moment
throughout my whole life.
I've done what I've done in themoment and it is what it is.
(37:23):
You know it's.
It is what created the humanbeing that is on the other end
of this phone right now.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
On this end of the phone.
Rather, I think this is a good.
I don't want to ramble too muchand have people have to sit
there for four hours.
No, it's good If they had tolisten to our conversation,
they'd be like holy crap, howdid we end up over here, right?
Wait a minute.
What did we end up over here,right?
Wait a minute.
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Okay, all right, you guys, we're going to call it
good.
Mark is alive, and we'll tellyou the rest of that journey in
the next one.
How's that?
This is the Surviving ChangesPodcast.
I'm Heidi, anne.
You're Mark, mark, this is theSurviving Changes Podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm Heidi, and Mark Mark On your mark get set mark.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
All right, Thank you.
Everyone Talk soon.
Hello everyone.
This is Heidi and Mark, andthis is the Surviving Changes
podcast.
Hi, everybody.
So where we left off was I washeading back.
I had just done time in the bigfour days for auto theft and
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I'm heading back now to see Mark.
He's just been diagnosed withcancer and he's asked me to come
back for just a little bit oftime but that was before the big
house to help with the energystuff, and so that's where we're
(00:47):
at.
Okay, Mark, tell me about, tellme about.
I guess, tell them about.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Um, like your diagnosis and stuff and then
we'll go from there.
Well, I had, just as it'srelevant to me, I had, in the
year previous, lost a 14-yearrelationship and then started
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working out and getting in shapeand exercising and really
trying to take care of myself.
I'd lost like 90 pounds in ninemonths and was feeling pretty
good about myself and thenstarted having some issues.
Went in and I don't likedoctors, like many people, but
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went in as a doctor, wentthrough a bunch of stuff, ended
up getting diagnosed withcolorectal cancer and they gave
me an 11% chance of survivingfive years.
That was in March of 2018.
And it was the biggest thingthat I took away was that the
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doctor annoyed me because hedelivered it like I had a cold
sore and that really grated onme.
But the interesting thing wasthat I never really got that
foreboding sense of doom.
It landed on me that I wasgoing to have a war, a battle,
but I never accepted that.
What they said was true, that Ididn't have a very good chance
(02:34):
of surviving.
All that being said, I knew thatI wanted to put everything in
my favor that I possibly could.
I was born and raised in church, christian, all of that and in
(02:56):
that exposure I had been to fullgospel churches that speak in
tongues and lay on of hands ofhealing, and I'd seen healings
take place.
So I was, at least at somelevel, open to the possibility
that there was more power outthere than we tapped into.
(03:22):
I don't know how to really saythat power out there than we
tapped into.
I don't know how to really saythat, but, like Heidi has said,
when she was on her journeyaround the globe, she had
experienced some things inAustralia and it piqued my
curiosity.
So, under the context ofputting everything in my favor
(03:43):
that I possibly could, I wantedto learn more about it and I
knew that talking on the phonewell, you've all heard Heidi
talk and having a meaningfulconversation on the phone with
her that got to where I wantedto get was going to be hard and
the uh, the uh.
(04:05):
Yeah, a little selfishness thereon my part.
Mental meanderings get hard tofollow, but I love you, heidi, I
love you too was to get her uphere where we could sit down and
(04:27):
talk and and originally it was,the thought was just for a few
days, maybe a week or something,and I, and I think it ended up
gosh, I don't even remember it acouple of months probably, um,
before you headed back South, um.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I headed so I can tell you because you I'm sure
you know the dates.
So I was there because we'lltell the crystal deal.
Oh, it just made a weird noise.
I was making sure nothing shutoff.
Okay, we'll tell the crystaldeal.
But so I know that I leftshortly, remember, because I
(05:00):
didn't show up to court for myvery first court hearing on the
car thing, because it was yourvery.
Was it your very firstradiation?
It wasn't.
It was my second court hearingthat I took off, so it had to
have been like two months,probably two months.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, that's probably about right.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I think you had finished your radiation, you had
finished something.
You had just done your finalsomething.
I do know that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It would have had to been radiation because my
surgery was May 14th and then Istarted radiation after that and
that went for six weeks.
I know you went with me to gowhen I had minor surgery to get
the port put in right In Spokane.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Uh-huh, yeah, but you did all your radiation all on
your own.
Yeah, yeah, but I did wait.
I know that I rememberconsciously filing waiting
because now that I was alreadythere and with all the shit that
was going on, and now that Iwas a potential felon, I had no
place to stay anymore.
I remember filing that I wouldat least stay through radiation
(06:10):
to make sure everything was okayin my head, but I think it was
a little past then.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But anyway, yeah, because it took a little bit to
coordinate the van and all that.
Who's a, what's it?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
and get things going.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The wig committee I'll do a podcast on the wig
committee in and of themselves,so so, okay, so anyway so I I
coerced my sister who wasn'tworking into going down to get
you First, my sister who wasn'tworking into going down to get
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you and bring you back.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And because she likes road trips and it seemed like a
good thing and ended up,ultimately, there was some
baggage that came out of thatwhole scenario.
There always is.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
No good deed goes unpunished.
Yeah, isn't that the truth?
But yeah, so you came up andhung out and we spent hours and
hours sitting in my garage Meand my comfy office chair that I
had out in the garage, justtalking and exploring things,
(07:28):
and me trying to understand andaccept a possibility that was
beyond my mortal comprehension.
Does that sound cryptic enough?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, I remember telling you that a year from
then it wasn't going to be aproblem.
One way or the other, Iremember looking at it this way,
Mark Regardless a year from now, we're either going to know you
won or you're going to be gone.
You better be here.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yep, I recall that too, and that statement was made
more than once, more than once.
And look here I am, almost sixyears from my diagnosis now.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I could have been a felon coming back there.
I could have stayed in Cabo.
I'm not mad about it anymore.
Thank you for living man.
I would have been mad.
I would have been so damn madyeah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Could have gone a lot different than it did, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Cost me five grand to get that fucking thing off my
record.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I'll sue him.
At some point You're allegedcar theft.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Exactly.
Well, I beat the charges soclearly it was a false charge.
Yeah, Anyway, all right.
So talking and talking andtalking, one of the things.
So let's get to the radiation,because that's um really like,
there's a lot of things, words Idon't want to put in your mouth
(09:08):
, like you've already said them,but a lot of the ones I really
don't want to put in your mouthum have to do with how we,
because I've told these guys, ummark is now here to stay from
this part.
Whether you do any morepodcasts or not, I don't know,
but I've already told them thatyou're here to stay.
You know, are you making weirdnoises?
(09:29):
Is that your puppy?
What do I hear over there?
What are you doing, mark?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's Bella trying to get my attention because I'm
talking to someone and it's nother.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I was like this is not the time for that, Mark.
Oh my God, you can wait a fewminutes.
Oh, fuck, Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
No, remember, remember, I'm being careful
about my Google searches nowRight Jeez so so one thing, one
thing about this that I I don'tin in the whole timeline.
It was very early on, I thinkit was before you, and I think
(10:15):
it kind of sets a precedent forthis.
Um, when I went to the river incameo, you hadn't gotten here
yet, right when I, when I wentand sat in the river no, yes, I
had.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
yes, no, I was here.
When you did that, I was here.
You went without me.
You left me.
Yeah, you went up.
Did you go with What's-Her-Face?
It was when you kept leaving.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, I went by myself.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Okay, but it was when you were with the gal, the
skinny gal.
Why can't I think of her name?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, it the skinny gal.
Why?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
can't.
I think of her name.
It was.
Well, it was before my surgery.
It was then.
Did you go again?
No, because we talked about itin the garage.
We talked about um.
I remember you beforehand andthen coming back and telling me
that you had just let everythinggo.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Oh, that was that.
Was you're thinking of thecamping?
I think you're thinking aboutthe camping trip I went on in
August.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh For the weekend, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
After I got my.
I got my diagnosis, and one ofthe reasons why the diagnosis
was so severe was because theyfound spots on my liver.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Which had indicated that the cancer had spread from
the origin site.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But I was there for that because remember my friend
Juan in Puerto Rico do youremember how I?
Because those spots you wentand did the river thing, but in
that meantime, from thediagnosis and then you got those
spots, we got on the phone withJuan for a minute and he had
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you put your hands a certain way, your fingers a certain way,
and he said a couple things andthen he said you're healed or
something, and told me not toworry about it anymore, and then
your spots were gone and so.
But I know it was also I don'tknow what I don anymore, and
then your spots were gone and so, but I know it was also.
I don't know what.
I don't know what made thespots be gone, but I do remember
thinking at that point in timeHoly shit, what was, what were
(12:14):
the words that Juan said, whatwere the?
Because that was something Ifiled.
I'm almost positive that I wasthere before the spots were gone
, like Could be.
Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Because that's one of the incidents that really
opened me up to this was thatthe spots were there and then I
went and sat in the river andjust visualized the sun.
You know without a shirt in myshorts, and sat in the river up
to my waist and just visualizedthe sun baking all the negative
(12:53):
crap out of my body and flushingit into the river.
Sorry for everybody that wasdownstream in the river for that
.
Oh well.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
No, I was there for that.
That was at the same time I hada.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
PET scan done and the spots were gone off of my liver
.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And I remember being in the garage getting and
talking about that and how thathappened and how the doctor
couldn't.
It was like it was there andit's not there.
I was.
I was with you at that point.
I know that for sure, Cause Iremember sitting in the garage
and you and your little chairand me and the other one yeah,
(13:30):
Okay, Well and I think I thinkwe weren't even taking.
Taking, um, we weren't likesmoking out of a pipe, we were
taking the wax hits.
I think we were even doinglittle wax hits right then,
because there was few could havebeen.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It gets it events.
There are events that stand out, but where they land on the
timeline gets a little fuzzythings.
Uh, forgive me, things were alittle, um no it happens in my
world right then it happens withme too.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I um, because I've uh thought about it on this
podcast.
Afterwards I'll say something.
I'll be like oh crap, that'sactually like a year down the
timeline, or you know what Imean.
There's's it's hard, especially.
Yeah, so we're doing the bestwe can.
It happens.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And it's all.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
The facts are all correct, it's just a matter of
when.
But yeah, it blends, I get it.
I don't remember what it was,but I remember, with the
transcript I think it was one ofthe transcripts and me reading
it back thinking no, that's offby like a little bit of time
right there.
But whatever, yeah it happens?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
well, uh, we're, we're.
I assert that we're trying tobuild a, an overview, and not a
detailed exactly minute byminute, the earlier so.
So, yeah, that was that me up,and then the next experience was
um the crystals.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, so I think that was, that was, yeah, I that was
.
I think so, and that was um forme.
That now I know for you, soI'll let you tell yours, let me
tell my side first, and then youcan tell your end of it.
So that was your first, wasn'tthat your first?
It was one of the first timesyou were heading off without me,
(15:22):
so I don't remember.
And you were going for a while.
Do you remember whatappointment you were going to?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I was actually going to the west side over to Seattle
area.
Aha, okay, I couldn't rememberand I can't remember.
I don't remember exactly why.
I want to say it was for one ofmy like the last model airplane
contest I went to or something,but I'm not sure.
Or maybe going to, I don't know, I don't remember.
(15:51):
I just remember I was overbecause I was on I-5, driving
down I-5.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, so set the stage.
Um, I got back to Mark's andwhen I haven't seen you for a
long time like we've talked onFacebook and stuff, but what was
the last time I seen you beforethat, do you remember?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Oh, it would have been 95 or 96.
No.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
No, because I dated your.
I took your daughter off ofvacation.
You babysat my daughter.
I saw you then because youdropped her off.
Yes, god, I love you.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I delivered my daughter into the hands of the
wolf.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
then I delivered my daughter into the hands of the
wolf, then I was good, I promise.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Oh, I've had conversations with her since
then, so yeah, Funny.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, so I now have been.
You guys know I've told youI've been through Australia,
I've been through all the crap,we've been through Tokyo, we've
been through Singapore, we'vebeen through Australia,
manchester, abu Dhabi, lost myluggage in JFK, all the, got the
hurricanes and now I'm all theway.
(17:12):
I'm beat up is the hurricanesand now I'm all the way I'm beat
up is the point and I get thereand I have my stuff as
organized as possible.
But along the way I'vecollected essentially rocks and
crystals, some things like that,not too much.
I haven't had a lot of moneyand I've had to carry all this
(17:33):
stuff.
But, um, I've found stuff thatI believe has energetic value
and I've treated it as such.
But also, when I first get toMark's, there were rose, rose,
quartz, mark, that your dad had.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Those take a trip across country every four years
to see the family in Georgia andthey were quartz crystals that
(18:08):
I had bought at a placesomewhere on one of the trips
when I was like 10 or 11 yearsold, because I thought they were
cool.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh, hold on, I got to turn that off.
That's my.
That's Juan.
My best friend from Puerto Ricohas given me a call.
I love those guys, Okay.
So anyway, the courts, sorryabout that.
So the he had two courts thatwere sitting up.
Why did I associate in my headyour dad?
(18:35):
I had, for some reason, when Iwas going to reprogram them, I
kept in my mind that there wasdad memories, family memories.
Maybe it was family memoriesthat needed to stay.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, there were family memories, Definitely
family memories, family memoriesdefinitely family memories.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So, okay, so Mark takes off to go to his stuff, um
, and I sit down, relax, startpulling out all my stuff,
probably grab something to eat,probably take a hit of wax that
he left for me Thank you, thattype stuff, um, and I grabbed my
(19:14):
box of rocks and crystals and Igrab the two that I saw sitting
on the shelf, these two rosequartz, and I start pulling them
all out and I know that I'mgoing to kind of reprogram the
rose quartz, cleanse them andreprogram them for healing.
But then I'm looking through allof my other stuff rocks and
(19:35):
things like that and asking themwhich ones want to be part of
Mark's journey and this journey.
And I know it sounds crazy, butthere were very clear ones to
me that said, all right, I do,no, I don't want to be part of
this.
Yeah, I do, maybe if you needme, shit like that.
But so I pull them all out andthen I grab these two rose
(19:56):
quartz and I'm like, well, thisis where we need to start.
And it was very clear that theyheld a lot of energy and a lot
of memory in them.
They're fairly powerful,they're a fairly decent size the
size of my palm.
Is that right, mark?
Something like that I remember.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, they're easily six inches.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Six inches long, and one of them is a double crystal.
It has a secondary crystalcoming off of it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, it was clear that they held power, but they
also felt like a full computer,like they had absorbed a lot and
they hadn't been rebooted ordefragmented or anything like
that in a long time.
And so I grabbed them and Iwent over to and I grabbed some
(20:44):
salt.
I don't remember, I think itwas just regular salt.
You didn't use pink salt, right, I think it was white salt.
I grabbed whatever salt wasthere.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I do have.
I do have pink emily and salthere and have had for a long
time oh, then maybe it was pink.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, maybe it was pink, um, but anyway I know, I
grabbed salt, whatever salt wasnearby, and started running the
water and then I startedreprogramming those two crystals
, um to keep the essentialfamily memories, and obviously I
didn't know what those were, soI was trusting that the
computer was going to knowitself which those were and then
(21:23):
to wash away the rest and thento reprogram the rest of those
crystals for healing, just likeI had learned in those classes.
And I know, although it soundscrazy, I saw it in the classes
and so that's what I was doing.
Now I hadn't done it.
This was when you called me.
(21:44):
It was obviously as much of ashock to me as you, and it's
been neat ever since.
But so then I went and sat downand then you called me.
As soon as I sat down, youcalled me.
I went and sat down, and thenyou called me.
As soon as I sat down, youcalled me, and so what happened
on your end?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well, I was.
I was.
This is why it's so vivid.
I knew I was on the West sidebecause I was driving out down
I-5 and it wasn't rush hour, butit was.
It's I-5.
There's surrounded by cars doing65, 70 miles an hour down the
freeway, cars doing 65, 70 milesan hour down the freeway and
all of a sudden there was it'sso hard to describe, but there
was a wave of energy that wentthrough me, through my truck,
(22:25):
and it was like.
It was like watching a moviewhere they warp the visual
everything just kind of shiftedand changed and it was just
obvious that there was somethinggoing on that was not normal.
Um, everything worked and Idon't know why, but I'm.
(22:46):
It came through my mind.
I think we'd had a briefconversation about crystals and
all of that before I'd left, andnot nothing in depth.
Yeah, I think we had a briefconversation about crystals and
all of that before I left,Nothing in depth.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, I think I said I was going to set them up.
I think I asked for yourpermission if it was okay for me
to set some stuff up around thehouse and I set up some healing
water.
Actually, we made some, youknow, just shit like that.
So it was probably that that wehad the conversation about.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
But I remember I think I started off by texting
you because I'm driving, whichthat's not an admission of guilt
.
I may have pulled over to theside.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Statue of limitations For anybody listening.
Statue of limitations way overRight Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Okay, we're fine.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, now a lot of stuff I've talked about have
been like well, good thingthere's no statute of
limitations on that anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, so I texted you because I wasn't sure, but I
also didn't want to lead youinto answering what I wanted for
an answer, if that makes sense.
I wanted it to be, and I thinkmy my comment was hey, Heidi,
what are you doing right now?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
It was.
It was something exactly likethat, because all I did I cause,
as soon as that came through, Ihad to giggle um, because I I
knew those rose quartz had some.
They have some significantenergy to them, and so I just
took my phone and I had all ofthe rocks and crystals out and
(24:20):
those two rose quartz.
I think that maybe, I thinkthose rose quartz I might have
still had them on the sink atthat time under the sun, but
anyway, I just took a picture ofall of the rocks and quartz
that I was setting up and thatwas all.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
This is what I did picture of all of the rocks and
courts that I was setting up andthat was all.
And then, yeah, that was it.
And at that point it becamepretty obvious that my interest
and exploration in the healingthat we were looking at was
going to pay dividends or atleast have impact.
Right, because it wasn't, itwasn't preconceived, it wasn't
(24:59):
discussed, there was no, therewas no reason for me to suspect
that that was going on, otherthan the fact that you had asked
me for permission to dosomething with my crystals, to
do something with my crystals.
And so it was a very profoundmoment where I had teased myself
(25:21):
with ideas about the universeand all of that.
And of course, I'd listened toyou for years talk about that
stuff.
And I nodded, nice and said,well, that's wonderful, that's
nice, heidi, I'm so glad youfound that for yourself.
And then it's like slapped mein the face and go no, you need
(25:42):
to listen.
And so I did.
But it's quite a leap going from, you know, at that point, 59
years of being brought up in themainstream Christian church.
You know that all of this otherstuff is evil and dangerous and
(26:05):
bad, and I certainly agree thatsome of it could be.
But as I looked at it andstarted exploring for myself.
The best way to say it would beI had a revelation.
I guess, or an epiphany if youwill, that we both believe that
(26:31):
Jesus walked the earth and thathe healed people.
And if you read the scriptures,only a few of those healings
are ever described as miracles,and a miracle is an event
without logic that takes place,to be simplistic about
describing it.
But Jesus healed a lot of peoplethat were not described as
(26:52):
miracles.
Well, he didn't have a CAT scanor a PET scan or an MRI, or he
didn't even have a doctor'sleather bag to carry around with
him.
So how did he heal those people?
And the answer to that questionfor me was he used the healing
properties that are inherent inus as individuals each of us and
(27:17):
he used the energy that'spresent on the earth that allows
us to tap in and be connectedwith each other.
And that's also where theconnection between you and I
really started to become defined, I guess is one way to say it.
(27:39):
We started to be able to seethat connection for what it was,
and I, to this day, have noexplanation why you and I became
connected, have no explanationwhy you and I became connected
um the universe.
Obviously, obviously had it inmind when I hired you to come to
work and wash cars in the snowfor me.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
You had to bring it up to you.
I told everybody on my mytiktok.
I'm like when I was I don'tknow if you watched it did you
watch it?
Like he would make me watch thetranscript I?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
read the transcript yeah, oh, man.
And note important note eversince you told me that it
bothered you, that I teased youabout that, I haven't brought it
up.
This is the first time I'vebrought it up in five or six
years now.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
It's okay now.
I don't care now.
It sucked when I had to.
That was my only option to feedmy daughter at 525.
I'm out there freezing my ass.
I'm there for eight hours andafter taxes I'm getting $32 to
go out there for eight hours andfreeze my ass up so I can feed
my kid and you're fucking withme on it.
No, bug me then, Doesn't bug menow.
(28:53):
It's okay Then.
I could have kicked you in theteeth if I had the opportunity,
but you're my boss.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, well, yeah, anyway, I love you.
So it's been an interestingjourney and there's lots of
other little tiny things thathappened here and there, but the
crystal thing is the one thingthat at that point I had to
(29:26):
decide.
I had to really look at it andmake a decision, because it was
very obvious that there was anenergy here that I'd never
experienced, that real.
It was very real.
I mean, it was kind of like ifyou stand up too fast and you
get lightheaded.
It was kind of that sensationwhen it went through me.
(29:49):
And it only lasted for four orfive seconds.
Here again, that's theclarification for those who
might be listening, who want tothink that I was driving
impaired on the highway.
If nothing else, you've taughtme to cover my ass.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Right on, right on.
The good news about this is Idon't have it to where they can
leave us comments.
Now there's probably reviews onthis podcast, but I've never
checked.
Only the people on TikTok cantell me what they think, and
they all think we're great, sodon't worry.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Okay, okay, fair enough, funny and funny.
So, yeah, that's that's whatforced me down.
And of course it's a five orsix hour drive back and I
remember the whole time I wasover there whenever my brain
wasn't otherwise occupied.
I'm trying to explain this tomyself in terms of what I'd
(30:44):
experienced in life in the 59years prior to that life in the
59 years prior to that, andthere just was no logical
explanation.
And that's when I startedexploring my somewhat limited
knowledge of the Bible and theverses and the things there, and
I started reading into that andlooking at that, and then the
(31:05):
whole drive home, you know thefive or six hour drive home and
my brain is just constantly onthat the whole time.
And that's when I came up withmy revelation slash epiphany
about Jesus tapping into theuniverse to heal people, right
In those non-miracle scenarios.
(31:28):
And so I was able to be atpeace with that and at peace
with other things.
Now, that being said, I will saythat there's still.
If there's energy for the light, there's also energy for the
dark, and the same energy can goboth ways.
So, to those listening, I'm notsaying that all energy you
(31:53):
experience is good energy.
By any means, you have to beresponsible, right.
I believe that you know a lotof people get tarot card
readings and there is realenergy involved in that when
it's done for other than asideshow, right, and Ouija
(32:16):
boards and runes and all ofthose sort of things, and so one
must be responsible.
I am not condoning it in theChristian world to be across the
board good, but there'sdefinitely energy in the
universe that's there for us totap into.
And, like Heidi started offsaying, I had determined that I
(32:43):
was going to do everything Icould to swing the odds in my
favor, especially after havingto sit down and tell my mom that
I had cancer and they didn'tthink I was going to live.
That was one of the mostpainful conversations I think
I've ever had in my life and youknow what my mom got to see me
healed.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, she did, she did.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And that was one of the best conversations I've ever
had.
Sorry it still that's alrightit still lands pretty hard today
.
It's pretty real.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I got a little tear myself, don't worry, I just was
able to keep my lip in place,yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
So, so yeah, that's kind of like a a little glimpse
into the first half of thejourney, at least the first part
.
And, um, I sit here today andI'm not on any medications any
(33:55):
medications.
I am cancer-free.
There are repercussions fromthe chemo, mostly that I deal
with, and from the surgery,because they removed a pretty
good chunk of excess materialfrom my abdomen that they
decided I didn't need, abdomenthat they decided I didn't need.
(34:18):
But other than the long-termeffects of the chemo and the
surgery, I am healthy andcancer-free and I wake up every
morning thankful to be aliveEvery morning.
Every day is a good day.
Some are good or not, every dayis a good day.
Right, some are good or another, every day is a good day.
So, and and and and.
(34:39):
I've learned, and, and I'llprobably end up if, if we get on
here again, I'll probably endup talking about my perspective
on emotions and trials andthings that we go through, but
I've learned that everyexperience is valuable whether
(35:01):
it's positive, whether it'sperceived to be positive or
negative, or oh.
that's a horrible thing when mymom passed horribly painful,
horribly painful experience fora lot of reasons, not the least
of which is certain familymembers that I won't go into at
(35:23):
this point.
But the fact that it hurt asbad as it did and I shed as many
tears as I did is a good thing,because it's indicative of my,
my love for who my mom was andstill is in my heart.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So you learn to to take all of those in your
journeys, your the theexperiences you've been through.
You wouldn't want to go throughthem again, but they're part of
the experience of being aliveas a human being on the earth,
and without them your life isshallow and meaningless.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I love every single one of them.
Now that I made it through, Ilove every single one there was
when I was wondering how I wasgoing to make it through at the
time.
Now, that was a little.
People always worried about mycomfort more than I worried
about my comfort, which wasweird as far as, like, the
comfort in the van and you knowwhat I mean, things like that.
(36:22):
But now, now that I'm throughit, it's all fun as shit, but
I'm through it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, Now it's fun as shit, but I'm through it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yep, yep, yeah, now it's I don't know.
I kind of feel like that mightbe a good.
We have a lot more we couldtalk about.
No, it's a great spot.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It's 37 minutes, 36, 37 minutes.
That's great for them.
We can do more if you'rewilling to do more and finish
the last half of your radiationand me getting in the van and
heading out.
You're going to be on thisjourney for the whole time.
I'm talking about you from hereon out, regardless.
So if you want to defendyourself, you're going to need
to get on here.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
There are a few things that I'm ashamed of, that
it's all reality.
It's all reality.
It is what it is, and we're ourown worst critics and we judge
ourselves, but the reality is Idid what I did in the moment
throughout my whole life.
I've done what I've done in themoment and it is what it is.
(37:23):
You know it's.
It is what created the humanbeing that is on the other end
of this phone right now.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
On this end of the phone.
Rather, I think this is a good.
I don't want to ramble too muchand have people have to sit
there for four hours.
No, it's good If they had tolisten to our conversation,
they'd be like holy crap, howdid we end up over here, right?
Wait a minute.
What did we end up over here,right?
Wait a minute.
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Okay, all right, you guys, we're going to call it
good.
Mark is alive, and we'll tellyou the rest of that journey in
the next one.
How's that?
This is the Surviving ChangesPodcast.
I'm Heidi, anne.
You're Mark, mark, this is theSurviving Changes Podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm Heidi, and Mark Mark On your mark get set mark.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
All right, Thank you.
Everyone Talk soon.
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