August 8, 2024 • 28 mins
Imagine being placed in the back of a squad car with the very person who took your mother’s life. This unfathomable nightmare was Nikki Wasilishin's reality. Join us as Nikki recounts the tragic night her mother, Stacey Marie Wasilishin, was murdered and the years-long journey she embarked upon to seek justice. With raw honesty, Nikki reveals how repressed memories and a mishandled investigation have fueled her relentless pursuit of the truth, using her own TikTok channel to create a community of support.
We'll navigate the complex emotions tied to police misconduct in unsolved homicide cases. Nikki opens up about the painful memories of her younger sister repeatedly saying, "Poppy killed mommy," and the baffling experience of being placed with the primary suspect. Despite acquiring a 400-page case file, crucial parts remain missing, raising questions about police negligence and inexperience during the 1993 investigation. This episode underscores the importance of persistence and the emotional toll exacted on those seeking justice for their loved ones.
From the distress of public scrutiny to the triumph of resilience, we explore how going viral can distort personal narratives and invite unwanted cyberbullying. David shares his roller coaster experience of fame, adding depth to our understanding of public misrepresentation. We then celebrate the enduring spirit of resilience, drawing parallels to Nikki’s unwavering advocacy and her mother Stacey’s lasting legacy. Concluding on a lighter note, we entertain the whimsical idea of Melissa McCarthy playing Nikki in a movie, reminding us all to find joy amidst the pain. Tune in for a deeply moving and empowering conversation about justice, representation, and the power of community.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
In every dark tunnel, there's a glimmer of hope.
In every painful moment,there's a strength to heal.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to Surviving Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Guys, I have a special guest on.
She was actually a guest beforeNikki Wassilishan, my dear
friend.
Hi, my love.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
David, I would be wearing your sweater, but I'm
keeping it clean.
I know my gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We have so much to talk about.
So just to fill people in, Icame across your TikTok a year
ago, at this point, I guess andreached out to you and you
immediately responded.
I was like, yeah, I'll be aguest on the show, like I, and
to have followed your journeyand to even being a small little
part of it has been so cool.
(01:14):
But just in case somebodydoesn't know who you are, what
the hell we're talking about,tell us who Nikki is and what
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
My name is Nikki.
I am the daughter of a murderedwoman.
That's what this comes down to.
When I was 10 years old, I wentto bed, said goodnight to my
mom and three hours later I willbe awoken by the Sedona Police
Department and put in the backof a squad car while I find my
little sister and she'll keepsaying Poppy killed mommy, poppy
killed mommy.
And I'll keep telling herthat's not what the police said.
Mommy's not dead.
I'll try to convince her ofthis and then they'll put Poppy,
(01:47):
her dad, in the same car and hewill tell me that he's sorry
and he wants to keep the familytogether and that he loves me.
And the fact that he had accessto me minutes after he murdered
my mother is mind-blowing.
But despite the fact that mymother's death was deemed
homicide by the Maricopa CountyMedical Examiner's Office, he
never went to jail.
The Yavapai County Attorney'sOffice claims that there is
(02:11):
insufficient evidence toprosecute Russell Bennett
Peterson.
So two years at the age of 38,almost three years now I finally
got involved and I requestedthe case file, and that is what
we are doing.
I wanted to know what happened.
I started reaching out tojournalists and essentially, the
journalist told me to become myown journalist.
I started a TikTok channel.
I met people like David andthank you, david, for doing this
for me.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I'm so glad that I was able to be a safe place for
you and we've exchanged phonenumbers, we text all the time.
We've become friends.
I'm going to get to wrap myarms around your neck one day
and give you the biggestfreaking hug, and I'm so proud
of you.
I I have told you this beforeand I mean it like if anything
(02:52):
ever happened to me, knowingthat Nikki effing wasolition,
she will find me or find justicefor me, like the girl does the
damn work.
And so I want to remind peoplethat, if you are not familiar
with this story, please checkout our episode, the first
(03:13):
episode.
I re-listened to it again today, and there's something that
just really sticks with me.
You had mentioned how you wereso young when this happened and
you were in the hands of peoplethat you thought you could trust
.
It was what?
20 years or so before youactually started digging into
(03:33):
the case.
And so my question is when thathappened, were there light bulbs
that started going off of theplate.
They put me in the car with himBecause I'm sure as a child in
that moment you were notthinking that it was probably
something you thought of 20years later.
What were those moments ofthose light bulbs flashing like?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I actually blacked that whole out, actually
until I started reading thecase file.
I didn't really experience thatagain for the first time until
I was, you know, 30 years old,sitting back and remembering
that night.
And then I realized, as anadult, looking back, I was
watching a movie and I realizedthat's not what you do and
that's what happened to me.
And so then, as an adult, Istart asking police officers
(04:17):
would you do this?
If there was a domesticviolence altercation, would you
put the child in with thesuspect?
And it's no every time.
So it's very surreal to read mymom's case file and to see all
the places that they justdropped the ball and they messed
up and that was really one ofthem was putting me in the car.
It is the most traumatizingthing and since I've come to
(04:38):
terms with it, I talk about it alot because it really is tragic
for me.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Sure, and even the fact that that happened with a
memory that is very loud andclear with you, is your youngest
sister.
Who was?
You were young, 10?
, yes, and she was three, three,and she kept repeating Poppy
(05:04):
killed, mommy, correct, and theystill put you two in the car
with him I thought about that,david.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I hadn't thought about that, but you're yeah, I
just can't wrap my.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I can't do it, I can't.
There is not one justificationI can come up with for that yeah
you're so close to justice.
Every day you're getting closer.
May I ask for someclarification?
Sometimes your mom is referredto as stacy and sometimes as
stephanie yes, yeah, absolutelyyeah.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Thank you for asking that question.
My mother's legal name on herbirth certificate, on her death
certificate and everywhere onher autopsy report it is
stephanie marie was solution,but between you, me, the fence
post in the world.
My mom liked to be called stacy, just I'm nicole wasselish, but
I like to be called nikki.
That was who she was.
So when she did pass, mygrandma had the opportunity and
(05:58):
on her name placard I justrecently found this out.
When I went to go visit my momin november, my grandma put on
her crib Stacey MarieWassilishan, and just I love
that Grandma B did that insteadof her legal name, because my
mother did like to be calledStacey.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I love that.
Then, going forward, may I callher Stacey.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Please.
Thank you, David.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So let's talk about that case file.
I know that most people alreadyknow this, but just in case you
don't, I have another podcastwith a group of friends of mine
called Speculating Wildly AboutCrime and we cover high profile
cases as to where this podcaststill falls in that true crime
niche, but I'm with the victims,slash survivors and, of course,
(06:41):
any platform that I ever have.
Nikki's always going to be onit if I have to.
She's never kicked and screamedabout it, but if it came to
that, it would happen On thatone because we do focus more on
the crime aspect of it.
I asked you for the case filethat you had and you sent it to
(07:03):
me and it was huge, but it wasnowhere near half of what you
have not been giving.
Can you talk about that with us?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I so frustrating.
If I was doing thisinvestigation alone, I wouldn't
even be aware of the fact that Ididn't have a complete case
file case file.
I wasn't aware of the fact thatI had an incomplete case file
until I read the Red Rock Newsarticles from Sedona little
local newspaper.
Up there In July of 2020,there's the investigator in
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front of the great big case file.
He's posing for the camera andunderneath the caption it says
Sergeant Michael Dominguez ofthe Sedona Police Department
looks back into the StephanieMarie Wassalisha case a 400 page
case file and I was like 400pages, so that's the first place
I knew that my case file wassmall.
Then, right after I gotinvolved and I got really into
(07:54):
this, I contacted my aunt againand I I hooked back up with her.
We did some investigatingtogether and where I find out
that she's been trying to get afull case file for 30 years her
most the biggest case file shehas is like 225 pages.
They've withheld over 100 pagesfrom my aunt for years.
I don't know.
I can't tell you why.
What they're telling me is thatthey're working with old
(08:17):
technology and they're workingdiligently to get us a complete
case file.
That is a direct quote from aletter we received in, I think,
March of 2022.
It is now almost March of 2024.
And hi, Nikki still has notgotten a complete case file.
One of my close friends and mymentor, Sarah Turney, just put
in for a full request, maybethree, four weeks ago.
(08:38):
Fingers crossed.
We'll get a 400-page case fileEvery time we ask for one.
We're hopeful we'll get thefull one.
Your guess is as good as mine.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I will say the case file was even hard to read
because, again, where we were,what 30 years ago and with
technology, so much of it washandwritten and then copied and
then emailed, and so I was likeblowing it up and getting my AI
involved and printing things outand trying to read the
(09:07):
handwriting.
And so what I would like for usto touch on is it seemed that
the police that were there werevery nurturing to you and your
sister other than putting youall in the car with the only
suspect.
But then I would read somethingelse and be like, oh, but wait.
(09:28):
And then you and I even had theconversation.
At one point you had saidsomething almost in support of
the police officers that werethere.
But then we find out otherinformation and it's about were
they being that great?
So where do you stand with that?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
The Sedona area was policed by the Verde Valley
Police until 1989.
It was a very small, ritzy area, but in 1989, there was a big
enough population where theywere able to supply Sedona with
their own police force.
David.
That was in 1989.
They hired on all their people.
They built their building.
It is formed.
Do the math my mom was murderedin 1993.
(10:07):
That means four years afterthis brand new organization is
formed, they're handling adomestic violence homicide
Between you and me and thelamppost in the world.
They didn't do a very good job,right?
They're showing up on sceneputting the suspect in the car
with the children.
They're not bagging his hands.
They're letting him sit in theclothes.
They just dropped the ball leftand right and growing up I
always thought, like familyspeculation, that he paid off
(10:29):
his family, paid off the cops.
It was always somethingnefarious.
But, to be honest with you,since I got involved, it's just
police misconduct, neglect.
They didn't know what they weredoing.
So, talking about the police, Ijust feel like the 93
investigation were very greenand rookies.
And now, in 2020, through nowsince it's gotten reactivated,
(10:50):
they are gaslighting me tobelieve that they did a good job
then and they want me to lookaway and don't look at us and,
oh my God, we did nothing wrong.
Remember I sent the FBI to theSedona police department in 2022
.
They sent the FBI away sayingthey didn't need any assistance,
but from where I'm sitting,they need some assistance.
It's frustrating.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, it's so frustrating.
You had mentioned that yourmother's boyfriend at the time,
russell, who is the only suspectwhen you all were sitting in
the car, he was putting his armsaround you all and just saying
I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.
He was putting his arms aroundyou all and just saying I'm so
sorry, I'm so sorry.
(11:33):
And you can take thatespecially in an innocent mind
of not knowing what the hell'sgoing on.
I'm just so sorry there's bluelights.
I'm so sorry there's a strangeman here.
But then, 20, 30 years later,was he so sorry because of what
he did?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's the way I see it, and I tell a lot of people
this, because this is the momentwhen I knew something was wrong
.
Yes, I was scared.
When the police woke me up, Iwas terrified.
I had a flashlight in my face.
Yes, I was freaked out becausethey're escorting me through my
home and I don't see my mom.
But they told me my mom wassomewhere else and I believed it
.
That was believable to me.
My sister kept telling me Poppykilled mommy because my little
(12:12):
sister's a spaz just like me.
Whatever, it was that momentwhen he got in the car and
started squeezing on me, david,when I knew something was indeed
wrong, because this wasn't mydaddy, this wasn't a person that
hugged on me, loved on me,squeezed on me.
Russell went out of his way notto bond with me because my
father, craig Daly, had him hadphysical altercations.
(12:33):
My mom had left my dad forRussell and in that night my mom
had planned on leaving Russellto go back to my dad.
Russell hated my dad.
So there, in turn, he did notlike me very much.
He put on a good face, but no,that is when I knew and he
didn't just hug me.
He, like, came into the squadcar and bear hug me and was like
(12:53):
I'm so sorry, I love you, Iwant to keep the family together
.
And that's when the trigger.
I'll never forget the cop carpulling down that little mini
road and him hugging me and mejust thinking, get off me, get
off me.
It kept repeating in my headbecause I just wanted to get off
me repeating in my head becauseI just wanted to get off me.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
What I think is so great about you is you're very
honest and raw, but you're alsovery realistic on speculating
wildly.
You're like what I want morethan anything is just the truth,
just accountability, the factthat you put that above a
punishment or prison time orwhatever, because, like you
(13:34):
mentioned, that part's out ofyour hands and I just think that
you're just so brilliantly saidwith those things and how
honest you are with yourself.
So I want to do a little bit ofa check-in because I know what
your answer is going to be.
It's always the same and Itrust it and I believe it and I
love it.
But I also love you.
So I always want to do acheck-in because every day of
(13:59):
your life I mean for years nowyou have not stopped speaking
about your living and breathingthis, and I always ask you what
you do for yourself, and I justwant to check in and make sure
that you're good.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yes, I'm actually the last time you had asked me that
I wasn't sure and I remembertelling you.
I know where I want to getDavid, I know what you're asking
me, but I'm not there yet and ayear later, you asking me that
same question.
You see how excited I was.
Yes, I am good.
I am doing very well this.
This whole journey has beenstrenuous.
It's been emotional.
(14:40):
You've seen me cry.
You've seen me falter.
You've seen me on good days andbad days.
I show you, I brought you intomy life.
I put the camera here so youcan experience this with me.
This is real life and we arehaving some good days.
I wanted to share with you that,what I do to get away from all
this and what I realized.
Okay, so you know, sarah, aftershe got a little bit of
(15:02):
resolution, she went intopodcasting to help families and
I I thought maybe that's what Iwanted to do, like you.
Then I was like no, I want togo into rescue and do animals.
If I ever get a platform, Iwant to help the dogs.
Recently, david, I think I needto become a filmmaker because
I'm making these videos for paidsponsorships and I'm having way
too much fun setting up theshoots, filming, editing,
(15:24):
telling a story.
So what if I become?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
still keep it in true crime and do like true crime
little movies oh, I love itbecause you are so stinking cute
and you're so good and youhaven't forgotten what the goal
is and I just love that aboutyou.
Like my heart melted when I gotnotification that you had
tagged me in a video and I wentin and I pushed play on it.
(15:47):
It was like packages and youwere opening up the sweaters
because you received a packagefrom another podcast the same
day you received mine and so youtried them all on and did the
whole like cute snap fingerthing and you were smiling and I
just I'm friends with NikkiVossalisha Like how great is my
life you know, David, that's theway I feel about you.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I get star struck with all you guys.
You've been amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's very humbling.
Yeah, you have built such agreat community now.
You and I talked one night forquite a while because once you
have went viral several times,but here recently it the viral
stuff was getting into othercreators hands and I remember
the conversation we're having ofI'm so used to people checking
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in with me.
I'm so used to people like meauthorizing things and giving
permission, and then now it'sgetting to a place to where you
aren't being taken intoconsideration with that,
especially if you're going offan incomplete police report,
because I was messaging youafter I got the police report.
I was messaging and I was like Ican see why he was thinking and
(17:00):
saying these things a certaincreator, but your point to it
was but I could have given himall the answers had he just
reached out, and so you had evensaid yourself that you are at a
place now where you understandthat this is not just yours and
Stacy's story anymore, that thisis now extremely public and
(17:25):
people are adopting it as theirown in some kind of way.
It as their own in some kind ofway.
It's been a couple of weekssince that happened, because I
talked to you the day that ithappened and at first you were
okay with it.
You're excited about it, andthen a couple hours later,
you're like but wait, so whereare you now, knowing that this
(17:46):
is probably going to besomething that happens on a
regular basis?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
That was a hard pill to swallow, David.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That was a day.
For years I've begged people topay attention to me, look at me
, hear me, report on me, and oneday my phone goes off.
I'm trending and I can't figureout why, and I have followers
of mine tag me in a video and Igo to the video and it's my life
.
And not only is it my life,it's my life.
(18:13):
The animation Look, that's meas a cartoon.
Oh, look at how cute.
Oh, I'm getting into it.
And as the seconds go by I'mlike, oh, this is cute, oh, this
is cool.
But then he portrays my motheras an animation shooting the gun
, which never happened.
So essentially, what thiscreator did was report the
suspect side of things, and thatwas a very hard pill to swallow
.
I did not appreciate peoplereporting on my life without
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talking to me.
I understand now, this is whatI wanted, right?
Like I wanted my mom's name toget out there, and essentially
that's what happened.
So I just got to become louderand I got to get a thick skin
and it was a hard pill toswallow, but I'm okay with it.
Now I get it, because thisisn't going to be the only one
no, that was your first, buteven though because okay.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
so when you and I always have had an honest
relationship, when I firstwatched it I didn't have a
single bad thought about it.
But then, when you were openingup to me and telling me your
side of it of course I'm veryprotective of you and I was like
, oh shit, like I get it now.
(19:18):
So I kept going back andwatching it and I was looking at
it from your point of view andI was like, ok, I can see this.
When my story went public, themedia released that I went to a
straight bar as a gay man, tooka straight man home for sex and
(19:40):
got beat up.
That's not what happened.
But when I heard that, Iimmediately was like everyone
hears that I'm the whore Babylonand that I deserve what
happened to me In most cases.
That's not what they heard.
So I just thought about thatscenario too.
But I kept going to.
This is my friend and if she'sfeeling hurt and damaged by this
(20:03):
, then I'm pissed off.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I did receive a lot of comments.
I got a lot of damage control.
I had to do that.
My mom deserved it and she shotat him that how could he have
murdered her?
She deserved it.
So that's why I got upset.
As the hours started to go by,I was getting messages like that
.
So I was having to do a lot ofdamage control, deleting a lot
of stuff.
I eventually blocked raywilliam johnson so he can't look
at my stuff, but I'm sure hehas backup accounts.
(20:25):
But yeah, it is because his fanbase he has a lot of teeny
boppers, so a lot of of theseare 10, 12, 13, 14, 15 year old
children that are coming at meand it's gotten quite
overwhelming.
It's cyber bullying and that'swhy I got overwhelmed.
I don't make a correlation ofall the negative stuff.
I just delete it and I blockthese people.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So that's why I got mad 100% and that's a great
point to make is again primeexample.
To use my story to relaterelate a lot of the messages I
was seeing were all verysupportive of me, but that was
public.
But there was a lot of deaththreats that came in privately
of people wanting to find me andfinish the job because a gay
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man should be in a straight barand taking straight men home for
sex, when that wasn't whathappened but the world wasn't
seeing that.
So it kind of you were put onthis platform in front of the
world but you're having todamage control to the behind the
scenes stuff by yourself.
Yeah, have you set anything upfor yourself on how to keep
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yourself in a good place whenshit like that happens?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
It hasn't happened since.
I did get in a really bad placefor a couple days.
I was really upset about it.
I don't know.
I don't know how I'm going totake it.
Honestly, I'm a spaz, david.
If it happens again, I'mprobably going to freak out.
It's going to happen again.
News organizations I'm a spaz,david.
If it happens again, I'mprobably going to freak out.
It's going to happen again.
News organizations are going toreport the same thing.
That is his side of the story.
It's got to be reported onright.
His side of the story, right?
I just need to get over it.
So we'll see.
(22:02):
Every day I get stronger atthis.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Look at how far I've.
Internet trolls are thekeyboard bullies.
The things that people aresaying is the last thing they
would ever say to your face.
What I love about you is youare so brilliant at the way that
you handle things and you willfind a way to turn it into your
favor.
Why do I have?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
that ability.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I see it because you will take comments and you will
post videos about it and youwill be very elegant and
well-spoken, but you set therecord straight and you're not
being steered away from the goal.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The people that tell me that I have a mustache so
I've got to put them on, clapback and be like it is a skin
discoloration.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Girl, what do you see happening next?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
People are starting to listen to me now.
By this time next year I'mgoing to be sitting with Nancy
Grace.
Netflix, the ID channel,Discovery Channel all of them
are the sky's the limit.
I won't stop, David, untilthere's accountability, Until
he's behind bars or the SedonaPolice Department admits that
they're wrongdoing, I will notstop because at this point I'm
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coming for everybody.
I'm more mad at the agencythat's failed her for years and
the man that killed her in asplit second crime of passion.
I'm coming for them all, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I love it because I was thinking the other night
let's fast forward a year fromnow and let's say there is a
form of justice, whether it'sprison or whatever.
Do you think that you're goingto find other people that are in
your situation and become theirvoice?
Do you see that happening?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
This is a circle.
When I first started, I saidyes.
And then I get really burnt outand I get really depressed and
I won't even record anything fora few days.
Or if I am recording, it'll beall dogs, because if I had my
choice, I would think it wouldbe dog content.
But I swear, being able to be afilmmaker is like a whole new
world, being able to be on oneside of the camera and to tell a
(24:07):
story.
That way, I think that I couldgo into true crime and be a
voice for families and be anadvocate as a storyteller, as a
filmmaker, it's really what Iwant to learn to do, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
To bring this to an end.
But on a really cute fun noteis your dad man.
I don't know if you told himthat he had a fan or not, but I
just when you chase him with thecamera, when you trick him into
talking and he's working on hiscar and he has no idea he even
got the camera out and then herealizes you got to chase him
(24:39):
through the house and the dog'srunning after you and it's just
so cute.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Went to Walmart today .
Check out my TikTok page andthey're shopping at Walmart with
me and dad.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay, that's what I'm doing as soon as we log off,
because I just, I love that.
You have learned to enjoy thisride.
You have learned to laughthrough your tears and your pain
, and that's something that Itry to hit really hard with this
show is.
(25:09):
People ask me all the time.
They're like David, you'rereleasing episodes every week.
You're rehashing what you wentthrough.
You're rehashing what you wentthrough.
You're reliving what you wentthrough.
You're talking to othersurvivors yeah, but you're doing
it with a fucking smile andit's my way, it's my control,
(25:30):
and I have learned to enjoy theride to get to where I need to
be, because the more people Ihelp means what happened to me
is not in vain, and that is whatyou are doing.
And absolutely there are yourTikToks.
They're an emotional rollercoaster, as they should be, but
we get to laugh with you, we getto cry with you, we get to
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celebrate with you, we get tomourn with, we get to sometimes
just sit in silence with you andjust be together, and I'm
obsessed with you.
You know that already.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
When we had our meeting last year we got so
wrapped up because that phonecall came about the documentary,
I know we ran like an hour late.
We talked for two hours and Iremember at the beginning of it
you said I'm going to ask you afunny question and at the end of
it I want you to answer me.
Remember what you asked me whenthis movie comes out, who's
going to play you?
Do you remember asking me that?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
We never.
I remember I never answeredthat.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We got two sidetracks , so do you have an answer for
us today?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I want to answer that yeah, for us today.
I want to answer that.
Yeah, okay, melissa McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I'm dead.
Oh, my God, I love her so much.
Oh, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think she's a perfect representation of me,
don't you think?
All my big gestures, likeeverything, melissa McCarthy, I
feel like that's my girl, ifthere's ever a girl.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh my God, that's brilliant.
Oh my gosh, nikki.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Love you.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I love you and I've enjoyed getting to know your mom
, miss Stacy, through you and Iknow that she's so proud and
you're doing her justice.
You are showing her all thelove she's getting to live
(27:18):
through you and I just admireI'm almost getting teary I just
admire the hell out of you andthe direction that your life is
going and what you're fuckingdoing.
Man like I, just all my lovethank David.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's working because of people like you.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, honey, it's working because of you.
I'm just helping love youthrough it.
Tell everybody where we canfind you, follow you and all
those great things.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Oh, TikTok baby.
Just like Dave, we're talkingabout the whole episode, I do
daily updates all day long.
Come and live through methrough my TikTok channel.
It's been blowing up lately.
David, I love you.
Thank you for having me on andhelping me spread my mom's
message.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I want to extend my deepest gratitude to our
incredible guests for sharingtheir transformative journey
with us today.
Join us next week as we diveinto the healing process and
share more incredible stories oftriumph and resilience.
Good kissing but bad goodbye.
Now I'm back and I'll pray foryou.
(28:40):
I'm done hurting you.
In every dark tunnel, there's a glimmer of hope.
In every painful moment,there's a strength to heal.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to Surviving Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Guys, I have a special guest on.
She was actually a guest beforeNikki Wassilishan, my dear
friend.
Hi, my love.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
David, I would be wearing your sweater, but I'm
keeping it clean.
I know my gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We have so much to talk about.
So just to fill people in, Icame across your TikTok a year
ago, at this point, I guess andreached out to you and you
immediately responded.
I was like, yeah, I'll be aguest on the show, like I, and
to have followed your journeyand to even being a small little
part of it has been so cool.
(01:14):
But just in case somebodydoesn't know who you are, what
the hell we're talking about,tell us who Nikki is and what
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
My name is Nikki.
I am the daughter of a murderedwoman.
That's what this comes down to.
When I was 10 years old, I wentto bed, said goodnight to my
mom and three hours later I willbe awoken by the Sedona Police
Department and put in the backof a squad car while I find my
little sister and she'll keepsaying Poppy killed mommy, poppy
killed mommy.
And I'll keep telling herthat's not what the police said.
Mommy's not dead.
I'll try to convince her ofthis and then they'll put Poppy,
(01:47):
her dad, in the same car and hewill tell me that he's sorry
and he wants to keep the familytogether and that he loves me.
And the fact that he had accessto me minutes after he murdered
my mother is mind-blowing.
But despite the fact that mymother's death was deemed
homicide by the Maricopa CountyMedical Examiner's Office, he
never went to jail.
The Yavapai County Attorney'sOffice claims that there is
(02:11):
insufficient evidence toprosecute Russell Bennett
Peterson.
So two years at the age of 38,almost three years now I finally
got involved and I requestedthe case file, and that is what
we are doing.
I wanted to know what happened.
I started reaching out tojournalists and essentially, the
journalist told me to become myown journalist.
I started a TikTok channel.
I met people like David andthank you, david, for doing this
for me.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I'm so glad that I was able to be a safe place for
you and we've exchanged phonenumbers, we text all the time.
We've become friends.
I'm going to get to wrap myarms around your neck one day
and give you the biggestfreaking hug, and I'm so proud
of you.
I I have told you this beforeand I mean it like if anything
(02:52):
ever happened to me, knowingthat Nikki effing wasolition,
she will find me or find justicefor me, like the girl does the
damn work.
And so I want to remind peoplethat, if you are not familiar
with this story, please checkout our episode, the first
(03:13):
episode.
I re-listened to it again today, and there's something that
just really sticks with me.
You had mentioned how you wereso young when this happened and
you were in the hands of peoplethat you thought you could trust
.
It was what?
20 years or so before youactually started digging into
(03:33):
the case.
And so my question is when thathappened, were there light bulbs
that started going off of theplate.
They put me in the car with himBecause I'm sure as a child in
that moment you were notthinking that it was probably
something you thought of 20years later.
What were those moments ofthose light bulbs flashing like?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I actually blacked that whole out, actually
until I started reading thecase file.
I didn't really experience thatagain for the first time until
I was, you know, 30 years old,sitting back and remembering
that night.
And then I realized, as anadult, looking back, I was
watching a movie and I realizedthat's not what you do and
that's what happened to me.
And so then, as an adult, Istart asking police officers
(04:17):
would you do this?
If there was a domesticviolence altercation, would you
put the child in with thesuspect?
And it's no every time.
So it's very surreal to read mymom's case file and to see all
the places that they justdropped the ball and they messed
up and that was really one ofthem was putting me in the car.
It is the most traumatizingthing and since I've come to
(04:38):
terms with it, I talk about it alot because it really is tragic
for me.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Sure, and even the fact that that happened with a
memory that is very loud andclear with you, is your youngest
sister.
Who was?
You were young, 10?
, yes, and she was three, three,and she kept repeating Poppy
(05:04):
killed, mommy, correct, and theystill put you two in the car
with him I thought about that,david.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I hadn't thought about that, but you're yeah, I
just can't wrap my.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I can't do it, I can't.
There is not one justificationI can come up with for that yeah
you're so close to justice.
Every day you're getting closer.
May I ask for someclarification?
Sometimes your mom is referredto as stacy and sometimes as
stephanie yes, yeah, absolutelyyeah.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Thank you for asking that question.
My mother's legal name on herbirth certificate, on her death
certificate and everywhere onher autopsy report it is
stephanie marie was solution,but between you, me, the fence
post in the world.
My mom liked to be called stacy, just I'm nicole wasselish, but
I like to be called nikki.
That was who she was.
So when she did pass, mygrandma had the opportunity and
(05:58):
on her name placard I justrecently found this out.
When I went to go visit my momin november, my grandma put on
her crib Stacey MarieWassilishan, and just I love
that Grandma B did that insteadof her legal name, because my
mother did like to be calledStacey.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I love that.
Then, going forward, may I callher Stacey.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Please.
Thank you, David.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So let's talk about that case file.
I know that most people alreadyknow this, but just in case you
don't, I have another podcastwith a group of friends of mine
called Speculating Wildly AboutCrime and we cover high profile
cases as to where this podcaststill falls in that true crime
niche, but I'm with the victims,slash survivors and, of course,
(06:41):
any platform that I ever have.
Nikki's always going to be onit if I have to.
She's never kicked and screamedabout it, but if it came to
that, it would happen On thatone because we do focus more on
the crime aspect of it.
I asked you for the case filethat you had and you sent it to
(07:03):
me and it was huge, but it wasnowhere near half of what you
have not been giving.
Can you talk about that with us?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I so frustrating.
If I was doing thisinvestigation alone, I wouldn't
even be aware of the fact that Ididn't have a complete case
file case file.
I wasn't aware of the fact thatI had an incomplete case file
until I read the Red Rock Newsarticles from Sedona little
local newspaper.
Up there In July of 2020,there's the investigator in
(07:33):
front of the great big case file.
He's posing for the camera andunderneath the caption it says
Sergeant Michael Dominguez ofthe Sedona Police Department
looks back into the StephanieMarie Wassalisha case a 400 page
case file and I was like 400pages, so that's the first place
I knew that my case file wassmall.
Then, right after I gotinvolved and I got really into
(07:54):
this, I contacted my aunt againand I I hooked back up with her.
We did some investigatingtogether and where I find out
that she's been trying to get afull case file for 30 years her
most the biggest case file shehas is like 225 pages.
They've withheld over 100 pagesfrom my aunt for years.
I don't know.
I can't tell you why.
What they're telling me is thatthey're working with old
(08:17):
technology and they're workingdiligently to get us a complete
case file.
That is a direct quote from aletter we received in, I think,
March of 2022.
It is now almost March of 2024.
And hi, Nikki still has notgotten a complete case file.
One of my close friends and mymentor, Sarah Turney, just put
in for a full request, maybethree, four weeks ago.
(08:38):
Fingers crossed.
We'll get a 400-page case fileEvery time we ask for one.
We're hopeful we'll get thefull one.
Your guess is as good as mine.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I will say the case file was even hard to read
because, again, where we were,what 30 years ago and with
technology, so much of it washandwritten and then copied and
then emailed, and so I was likeblowing it up and getting my AI
involved and printing things outand trying to read the
(09:07):
handwriting.
And so what I would like for usto touch on is it seemed that
the police that were there werevery nurturing to you and your
sister other than putting youall in the car with the only
suspect.
But then I would read somethingelse and be like, oh, but wait.
(09:28):
And then you and I even had theconversation.
At one point you had saidsomething almost in support of
the police officers that werethere.
But then we find out otherinformation and it's about were
they being that great?
So where do you stand with that?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
The Sedona area was policed by the Verde Valley
Police until 1989.
It was a very small, ritzy area, but in 1989, there was a big
enough population where theywere able to supply Sedona with
their own police force.
David.
That was in 1989.
They hired on all their people.
They built their building.
It is formed.
Do the math my mom was murderedin 1993.
(10:07):
That means four years afterthis brand new organization is
formed, they're handling adomestic violence homicide
Between you and me and thelamppost in the world.
They didn't do a very good job,right?
They're showing up on sceneputting the suspect in the car
with the children.
They're not bagging his hands.
They're letting him sit in theclothes.
They just dropped the ball leftand right and growing up I
always thought, like familyspeculation, that he paid off
(10:29):
his family, paid off the cops.
It was always somethingnefarious.
But, to be honest with you,since I got involved, it's just
police misconduct, neglect.
They didn't know what they weredoing.
So, talking about the police, Ijust feel like the 93
investigation were very greenand rookies.
And now, in 2020, through nowsince it's gotten reactivated,
(10:50):
they are gaslighting me tobelieve that they did a good job
then and they want me to lookaway and don't look at us and,
oh my God, we did nothing wrong.
Remember I sent the FBI to theSedona police department in 2022
.
They sent the FBI away sayingthey didn't need any assistance,
but from where I'm sitting,they need some assistance.
It's frustrating.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, it's so frustrating.
You had mentioned that yourmother's boyfriend at the time,
russell, who is the only suspectwhen you all were sitting in
the car, he was putting his armsaround you all and just saying
I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.
He was putting his arms aroundyou all and just saying I'm so
sorry, I'm so sorry.
(11:33):
And you can take thatespecially in an innocent mind
of not knowing what the hell'sgoing on.
I'm just so sorry there's bluelights.
I'm so sorry there's a strangeman here.
But then, 20, 30 years later,was he so sorry because of what
he did?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's the way I see it, and I tell a lot of people
this, because this is the momentwhen I knew something was wrong
.
Yes, I was scared.
When the police woke me up, Iwas terrified.
I had a flashlight in my face.
Yes, I was freaked out becausethey're escorting me through my
home and I don't see my mom.
But they told me my mom wassomewhere else and I believed it
.
That was believable to me.
My sister kept telling me Poppykilled mommy because my little
(12:12):
sister's a spaz just like me.
Whatever, it was that momentwhen he got in the car and
started squeezing on me, david,when I knew something was indeed
wrong, because this wasn't mydaddy, this wasn't a person that
hugged on me, loved on me,squeezed on me.
Russell went out of his way notto bond with me because my
father, craig Daly, had him hadphysical altercations.
(12:33):
My mom had left my dad forRussell and in that night my mom
had planned on leaving Russellto go back to my dad.
Russell hated my dad.
So there, in turn, he did notlike me very much.
He put on a good face, but no,that is when I knew and he
didn't just hug me.
He, like, came into the squadcar and bear hug me and was like
(12:53):
I'm so sorry, I love you, Iwant to keep the family together
.
And that's when the trigger.
I'll never forget the cop carpulling down that little mini
road and him hugging me and mejust thinking, get off me, get
off me.
It kept repeating in my headbecause I just wanted to get off
me repeating in my head becauseI just wanted to get off me.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
What I think is so great about you is you're very
honest and raw, but you're alsovery realistic on speculating
wildly.
You're like what I want morethan anything is just the truth,
just accountability, the factthat you put that above a
punishment or prison time orwhatever, because, like you
(13:34):
mentioned, that part's out ofyour hands and I just think that
you're just so brilliantly saidwith those things and how
honest you are with yourself.
So I want to do a little bit ofa check-in because I know what
your answer is going to be.
It's always the same and Itrust it and I believe it and I
love it.
But I also love you.
So I always want to do acheck-in because every day of
(13:59):
your life I mean for years nowyou have not stopped speaking
about your living and breathingthis, and I always ask you what
you do for yourself, and I justwant to check in and make sure
that you're good.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yes, I'm actually the last time you had asked me that
I wasn't sure and I remembertelling you.
I know where I want to getDavid, I know what you're asking
me, but I'm not there yet and ayear later, you asking me that
same question.
You see how excited I was.
Yes, I am good.
I am doing very well this.
This whole journey has beenstrenuous.
It's been emotional.
(14:40):
You've seen me cry.
You've seen me falter.
You've seen me on good days andbad days.
I show you, I brought you intomy life.
I put the camera here so youcan experience this with me.
This is real life and we arehaving some good days.
I wanted to share with you that,what I do to get away from all
this and what I realized.
Okay, so you know, sarah, aftershe got a little bit of
(15:02):
resolution, she went intopodcasting to help families and
I I thought maybe that's what Iwanted to do, like you.
Then I was like no, I want togo into rescue and do animals.
If I ever get a platform, Iwant to help the dogs.
Recently, david, I think I needto become a filmmaker because
I'm making these videos for paidsponsorships and I'm having way
too much fun setting up theshoots, filming, editing,
(15:24):
telling a story.
So what if I become?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
still keep it in true crime and do like true crime
little movies oh, I love itbecause you are so stinking cute
and you're so good and youhaven't forgotten what the goal
is and I just love that aboutyou.
Like my heart melted when I gotnotification that you had
tagged me in a video and I wentin and I pushed play on it.
(15:47):
It was like packages and youwere opening up the sweaters
because you received a packagefrom another podcast the same
day you received mine and so youtried them all on and did the
whole like cute snap fingerthing and you were smiling and I
just I'm friends with NikkiVossalisha Like how great is my
life you know, David, that's theway I feel about you.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I get star struck with all you guys.
You've been amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's very humbling.
Yeah, you have built such agreat community now.
You and I talked one night forquite a while because once you
have went viral several times,but here recently it the viral
stuff was getting into othercreators hands and I remember
the conversation we're having ofI'm so used to people checking
(16:35):
in with me.
I'm so used to people like meauthorizing things and giving
permission, and then now it'sgetting to a place to where you
aren't being taken intoconsideration with that,
especially if you're going offan incomplete police report,
because I was messaging youafter I got the police report.
I was messaging and I was like Ican see why he was thinking and
(17:00):
saying these things a certaincreator, but your point to it
was but I could have given himall the answers had he just
reached out, and so you had evensaid yourself that you are at a
place now where you understandthat this is not just yours and
Stacy's story anymore, that thisis now extremely public and
(17:25):
people are adopting it as theirown in some kind of way.
It as their own in some kind ofway.
It's been a couple of weekssince that happened, because I
talked to you the day that ithappened and at first you were
okay with it.
You're excited about it, andthen a couple hours later,
you're like but wait, so whereare you now, knowing that this
(17:46):
is probably going to besomething that happens on a
regular basis?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
That was a hard pill to swallow, David.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That was a day.
For years I've begged people topay attention to me, look at me
, hear me, report on me, and oneday my phone goes off.
I'm trending and I can't figureout why, and I have followers
of mine tag me in a video and Igo to the video and it's my life
.
And not only is it my life,it's my life.
(18:13):
The animation Look, that's meas a cartoon.
Oh, look at how cute.
Oh, I'm getting into it.
And as the seconds go by I'mlike, oh, this is cute, oh, this
is cool.
But then he portrays my motheras an animation shooting the gun
, which never happened.
So essentially, what thiscreator did was report the
suspect side of things, and thatwas a very hard pill to swallow
.
I did not appreciate peoplereporting on my life without
(18:35):
talking to me.
I understand now, this is whatI wanted, right?
Like I wanted my mom's name toget out there, and essentially
that's what happened.
So I just got to become louderand I got to get a thick skin
and it was a hard pill toswallow, but I'm okay with it.
Now I get it, because thisisn't going to be the only one
no, that was your first, buteven though because okay.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
so when you and I always have had an honest
relationship, when I firstwatched it I didn't have a
single bad thought about it.
But then, when you were openingup to me and telling me your
side of it of course I'm veryprotective of you and I was like
, oh shit, like I get it now.
(19:18):
So I kept going back andwatching it and I was looking at
it from your point of view andI was like, ok, I can see this.
When my story went public, themedia released that I went to a
straight bar as a gay man, tooka straight man home for sex and
(19:40):
got beat up.
That's not what happened.
But when I heard that, Iimmediately was like everyone
hears that I'm the whore Babylonand that I deserve what
happened to me In most cases.
That's not what they heard.
So I just thought about thatscenario too.
But I kept going to.
This is my friend and if she'sfeeling hurt and damaged by this
(20:03):
, then I'm pissed off.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I did receive a lot of comments.
I got a lot of damage control.
I had to do that.
My mom deserved it and she shotat him that how could he have
murdered her?
She deserved it.
So that's why I got upset.
As the hours started to go by,I was getting messages like that
.
So I was having to do a lot ofdamage control, deleting a lot
of stuff.
I eventually blocked raywilliam johnson so he can't look
at my stuff, but I'm sure hehas backup accounts.
(20:25):
But yeah, it is because his fanbase he has a lot of teeny
boppers, so a lot of of theseare 10, 12, 13, 14, 15 year old
children that are coming at meand it's gotten quite
overwhelming.
It's cyber bullying and that'swhy I got overwhelmed.
I don't make a correlation ofall the negative stuff.
I just delete it and I blockthese people.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So that's why I got mad 100% and that's a great
point to make is again primeexample.
To use my story to relaterelate a lot of the messages I
was seeing were all verysupportive of me, but that was
public.
But there was a lot of deaththreats that came in privately
of people wanting to find me andfinish the job because a gay
(21:07):
man should be in a straight barand taking straight men home for
sex, when that wasn't whathappened but the world wasn't
seeing that.
So it kind of you were put onthis platform in front of the
world but you're having todamage control to the behind the
scenes stuff by yourself.
Yeah, have you set anything upfor yourself on how to keep
(21:35):
yourself in a good place whenshit like that happens?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
It hasn't happened since.
I did get in a really bad placefor a couple days.
I was really upset about it.
I don't know.
I don't know how I'm going totake it.
Honestly, I'm a spaz, david.
If it happens again, I'mprobably going to freak out.
It's going to happen again.
News organizations I'm a spaz,david.
If it happens again, I'mprobably going to freak out.
It's going to happen again.
News organizations are going toreport the same thing.
That is his side of the story.
It's got to be reported onright.
His side of the story, right?
I just need to get over it.
So we'll see.
(22:02):
Every day I get stronger atthis.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Look at how far I've.
Internet trolls are thekeyboard bullies.
The things that people aresaying is the last thing they
would ever say to your face.
What I love about you is youare so brilliant at the way that
you handle things and you willfind a way to turn it into your
favor.
Why do I have?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
that ability.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I see it because you will take comments and you will
post videos about it and youwill be very elegant and
well-spoken, but you set therecord straight and you're not
being steered away from the goal.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The people that tell me that I have a mustache so
I've got to put them on, clapback and be like it is a skin
discoloration.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Girl, what do you see happening next?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
People are starting to listen to me now.
By this time next year I'mgoing to be sitting with Nancy
Grace.
Netflix, the ID channel,Discovery Channel all of them
are the sky's the limit.
I won't stop, David, untilthere's accountability, Until
he's behind bars or the SedonaPolice Department admits that
they're wrongdoing, I will notstop because at this point I'm
(23:15):
coming for everybody.
I'm more mad at the agencythat's failed her for years and
the man that killed her in asplit second crime of passion.
I'm coming for them all, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I love it because I was thinking the other night
let's fast forward a year fromnow and let's say there is a
form of justice, whether it'sprison or whatever.
Do you think that you're goingto find other people that are in
your situation and become theirvoice?
Do you see that happening?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
This is a circle.
When I first started, I saidyes.
And then I get really burnt outand I get really depressed and
I won't even record anything fora few days.
Or if I am recording, it'll beall dogs, because if I had my
choice, I would think it wouldbe dog content.
But I swear, being able to be afilmmaker is like a whole new
world, being able to be on oneside of the camera and to tell a
(24:07):
story.
That way, I think that I couldgo into true crime and be a
voice for families and be anadvocate as a storyteller, as a
filmmaker, it's really what Iwant to learn to do, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
To bring this to an end.
But on a really cute fun noteis your dad man.
I don't know if you told himthat he had a fan or not, but I
just when you chase him with thecamera, when you trick him into
talking and he's working on hiscar and he has no idea he even
got the camera out and then herealizes you got to chase him
(24:39):
through the house and the dog'srunning after you and it's just
so cute.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Went to Walmart today .
Check out my TikTok page andthey're shopping at Walmart with
me and dad.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay, that's what I'm doing as soon as we log off,
because I just, I love that.
You have learned to enjoy thisride.
You have learned to laughthrough your tears and your pain
, and that's something that Itry to hit really hard with this
show is.
(25:09):
People ask me all the time.
They're like David, you'rereleasing episodes every week.
You're rehashing what you wentthrough.
You're rehashing what you wentthrough.
You're reliving what you wentthrough.
You're talking to othersurvivors yeah, but you're doing
it with a fucking smile andit's my way, it's my control,
(25:30):
and I have learned to enjoy theride to get to where I need to
be, because the more people Ihelp means what happened to me
is not in vain, and that is whatyou are doing.
And absolutely there are yourTikToks.
They're an emotional rollercoaster, as they should be, but
we get to laugh with you, we getto cry with you, we get to
(25:51):
celebrate with you, we get tomourn with, we get to sometimes
just sit in silence with you andjust be together, and I'm
obsessed with you.
You know that already.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
When we had our meeting last year we got so
wrapped up because that phonecall came about the documentary,
I know we ran like an hour late.
We talked for two hours and Iremember at the beginning of it
you said I'm going to ask you afunny question and at the end of
it I want you to answer me.
Remember what you asked me whenthis movie comes out, who's
going to play you?
Do you remember asking me that?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
We never.
I remember I never answeredthat.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We got two sidetracks , so do you have an answer for
us today?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I want to answer that yeah, for us today.
I want to answer that.
Yeah, okay, melissa McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I'm dead.
Oh, my God, I love her so much.
Oh, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think she's a perfect representation of me,
don't you think?
All my big gestures, likeeverything, melissa McCarthy, I
feel like that's my girl, ifthere's ever a girl.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh my God, that's brilliant.
Oh my gosh, nikki.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Love you.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I love you and I've enjoyed getting to know your mom
, miss Stacy, through you and Iknow that she's so proud and
you're doing her justice.
You are showing her all thelove she's getting to live
(27:18):
through you and I just admireI'm almost getting teary I just
admire the hell out of you andthe direction that your life is
going and what you're fuckingdoing.
Man like I, just all my lovethank David.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's working because of people like you.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Well, honey, it's working because of you.
I'm just helping love youthrough it.
Tell everybody where we canfind you, follow you and all
those great things.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Oh, TikTok baby.
Just like Dave, we're talkingabout the whole episode, I do
daily updates all day long.
Come and live through methrough my TikTok channel.
It's been blowing up lately.
David, I love you.
Thank you for having me on andhelping me spread my mom's
message.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I want to extend my deepest gratitude to our
incredible guests for sharingtheir transformative journey
with us today.
Join us next week as we diveinto the healing process and
share more incredible stories oftriumph and resilience.
Good kissing but bad goodbye.
Now I'm back and I'll pray foryou.
(28:40):
I'm done hurting you.
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