June 19, 2023 • 48 mins
Have you read the 8th Amendment? Even if you have, do you know what it really means? Listen in for a more in depth discussion on this often overlooked Amendment.
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The thirteenth Amendment to the United StatesConstitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude except as
a punishment for a crime. Everwondered how we ended up with the largest
prison population of any country. Haveyou noticed that those whose jobs it is
to protect and serve seem to bedemanding more and more blind obedience. You
didn't think it just happened by chance, did you. It's time to call
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attention to the fact our government,as the most prolific slave owner on the
planet or less, is surviving thesystem. Thank you for joining me today
on surviving the system. This isDance and Dave. And before we get
going, first of all, justwant to quickly apologize for the audio quality.
Microphone is on the fritz. I'vegot to shortened wire somewhere. We're
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working on it, so I'm justworking on backup audio for the time being.
It's not the greatest, but it'sconsistent so we won't have it shortened
out intermittently through the show. Sothank you for your patience and bearing with
me while we get that issue resolvedtoday. You know, I over the
last over the last week or two, I have had more people reach out
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to me than I have in thelast few months. I'm not sure exactly
what's going on, but it lookslike a lot of people have been responding
to some of the posts put outby Tim Wright, his wife, who
is running the social media account.I'm not sure if she's doing another push
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or if just the algorithms or gettingthat stuff out there, but I've had
quite a few people reach out tome, and I love it. I
absolutely appreciate it and keep them coming. You know, the more stories that
I can get, the more wecan talk about it, and the more
we can talk about it, themore we can draw attention to it,
and the more attention we draw toit, the more change we can create.
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You know, if we just continueto let these things go on behind
closed doors, go on in thedarkness without shedding any light, it's never
going to get anything done. Wecan't keep turning a blind eye. We
can't keep sticking our heads in thesand, pretending like nothing is going on
around us and everything is okay.We have to face these and address these
issues. So I want to getinto a little bit of that today,
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and we're going to go over someof the amendments. You know, if
you listen to the beginning of theshow if you've listened for any time.
Obviously, I focus quite a biton the thirteenth Amendment and the wording of
that, but a lot of theother amendments are being twisted and used in
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ways that they're not intended to likeif you just look at the language,
and quite honestly, a lot ofthem are just being flat out ignored.
So we'll talk a little bit aboutthat today. I'll talk a little bit
about some of the stories that I'veheard lately, and we'll open up the
phone lines, so if you wantto jump in and share your story and
contribute to the conversation, the numbersone eight hundred and five eight eight zero
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three three five eight five eight eightzero three three to five. Before we
get started, a couple quick housekeepingitems. If you are listening to us
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you helping me to get the wordout to everybody. So thank you all
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for your help. Danielle, thankyou for your help with Tim. Obviously,
I wouldn't have those conversations that I'vebeen having lately if it wasn't for
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of all the shows there, aswell as a contact me page. Love
to hear from you on that aswell. And before we get started,
as always, I do want totake a quick moment and start with gratitude,
and especially especially with a topic likethis. I don't know if you
can tell, but I'm pretty firedup about this already. This is the
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stuff that man. I can talkabout this stuff for hours and I'll get
myself worked up into a frenzy.So I have to be very careful when
we talk about topics like this becausewe want to handle it in a productive
and constructive manner. We don't wantto just go charging into the china shop
like a bowl and just leave apath of destruction in our wake and then
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stop and look back afterwards and gooops, sorry about that. We're going
to go at this intentionally. We'regoing to go at this. We're going
to talk about these issues. We'regoing to be constructive about it, and
at the end we're at least goingto have some follow up points to do.
We'll at least have a better understandingof it, and hopefully some action
items that you can take. Sowith that in mind, I do want
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to quickly say that I am sograteful to be here with you, allowing
me to live out my purpose tohelp to remind you of who you really
are and what you're truly capable of. So I was recently contacted by an
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organization on Twitter. We've been chattingquite a bit. We've been trying to
connect on the phone, have nothad an option to Most of that lies
on my end. I was Iwas sick for a little bit, which
is why I missed the last coupleof weeks. Just life gets in the
way. But I want to atleast draw attention to it because it's funny.
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It the name of the organizations pleadthe eighth and I had to stop
when I saw that because it waslike, well, what does that have
to do with anything? And theirmission is dedicated to educating, advocating,
and transforming the justice system into havingfair or safer and more effective practices.
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Fantastic. That is a great missionto have. So many organizations do and
we need to have those. Butwhat exactly is the eighth Amendment? And
that's where I kind of had tostop and go, well, hold on
a second, man, It's beenyears since I've done a lot of my
constitutional study, so I had togo back and take a look. And
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funny enough, the eighth Amendment isthe Amendment dealing with Cruel and Unusual Punishment,
and the amendment itself says excessive bailshall not be required, nor excessive
fines imposed, nor cruel and unusualpunishments inflicted. Now, as soon as
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I read that, I immediately itwas like, Oh, I get it.
That's why your organization is named that, because not one word of that,
not one word of that, isbeing followed in the United States of
America by any organization of law enforcementthat I know of. Excessive bail shall
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not be required well, first ofall, what the hell's excessive bail?
And who determines that? Nor excessivefine? Again, who the hell determines
what's an excessive fine and what's not? And most importantly, nor cruel and
unusual punishments afflicted? Well, whothe hell defines what cruel and unusual is
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my bail? I saw when Iwas when I was going up for my
bail hearing, I was listening tothe people ahead of me, and it
was things like, I mean,assault with a deadly weapon, trafficking of
arms, a lot of guns,a lot of violence, and they're all
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getting bail of like a thousand,five thousand, two thousand. Now,
what a lot of people don't understandis that with that bail, you just
you pay ten percent to get out, and it's basically like a down payment.
You put down ten percent and ifyou don't show, then you owe
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all of that. That's when that'swhen the head hunters come out for you,
or the bounding hunters, they comeout looking for you, and that's
where they collect their bount So I'mlistening to these So these people got to
pay a couple hundred bucks, maybefive hundred at the top. Mind no
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record ever before nothing stable family hada job, fifty thousand dollars bail,
and the whole time leading up tothat, like I'm sitting there thinking,
I've got a few hundred bucks inmy account right now, fantastic, I'll
pay, I'll get out, I'llfigure out what the hell is going on.
I mean, my life had beenupended at that point. I could
barely barely keep my grip on reality. Fifty thousand dollars, Where the hell
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am I supposed to come up withfive grands? Like I didn't just have
five thousand dollars sitting around at thattime. To me, that's pretty damn
excessive. That's a damn excessive amountof money. And they knew it.
And he sat there and asked mequestions about, oh, you know,
what's your job, how much doyou make? You know, what are
your bills, trying to get anidea of how much money I made.
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And then he's all right, well, fifty thousand, you can come up
with five grand, that's not that'sno problem. You know, maybe not
for you he's son of a bitch, but for me, that's going to
take a little bit of time.Unfortunately, we were able to come up
with that, and I was abledown the road to repay that. But
that's pretty damn excessive. Now that'snot including people who are in other states
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with bales of one hundred thousand dollars, two hundred thousand dollars in the excess
of millions of dollars, or whatif you're just denied bail completely, if
they just say we're not even goingto give you bail because you're a flight
risk, you're danger to society,whatever reason they want to come up with,
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I mean I would consider that excessiveas well. So this is this
is a big problem. It's theold saying who watches the watchman? Because
you have this legal system put inplace, you have this system quote unquote
the system put in place that pythnicallyleaves words without definition so they can interpret
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it however the hell they want.And it's very difficult for me to explain
all of that to you until you'vebeen through it. So if you've been
through it, you know exactly whatI'm talking about. You know exactly what
I'm talking about. It's so difficultto stand there and go, well,
what does that mean? Because theydon't know and they're not going to tell
you, because they want to leaveit open ended, so they can come
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back on you if they want.They want to come back and do whatever
the hell they want to do now, not just the excessive bail. Let's
talk about excessive fine. I've talkedabout this previously. But in the state
of Nebraska, when you leave thecorrectional institution, when you're leaving prison and
you're coming back into the streets,you walk out the door with one hundred
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dollars check. That's it. Maybeif you're lucky and you live outside of
the city that you're being released from, maybe they'll give you a bus ticket.
You know, if you've got somehealth issues, mental health or physical
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health, maybe they'll give you amonth's supply of some of your medication.
And that's it. You're on yourown. Man, good luck one hundred
bucks kicking the ass. You'll getthem, kid, God help you if
you mess up, get your assright back in here. But a lot
of these people are coming out witha hundred dollars check and finds of thousands
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and tens of thousands of dollars.How in the hell are you supposed to
pay that back? You know,you've got things like court fines if they
were post they're not always, butthey could be. You've got taxes,
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you know, if you're not ableto take care of things from inside,
or if you don't know enough totake care of it, the irs is
still going to come out to you. They don't care. They don't care.
They'll just wait. They'll be sittingthere and waiting outside for you.
Go, Hey, congratulations, youmade it. Now, by the way,
you owe us this money for backtaxes, because this is the money
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you should have paid us. Sowhere is it? And of course they'll
tack on fees and fines and latefees and all kinds of stuff. So
if you had been outside and filedyour taxes, maybe you would have owed
a couple of hundred dollars at thattime. But fast forward and after all
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the fees and interest and all that, maybe it's ten thousand dollars just because
they can. It's totally an arbitrarynumber. How they come up with that
crowd my opinion. If you havechildren, you know, primarily this is
for men, but there are womenas well who have custody of children.
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Child support. You know, ifyou come out, that doesn't stop,
that doesn't stop. Now, youcan petition the court to have it reduced,
and typically they're understanding about that.That is one thing I will say
that they're like, I mean,it doesn't have income. There's not much
we can do. And I thinkin the state of Nebraska they can drop
it to like fifty dollars a month. But still, where are you supposed
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to get fifty bucks a month?You know, if you're lucky. If
you're lucky, you make three bucksa day. You work five days a
week, so that's fifteen bucks aweek. But just think, just think.
Now, I went and saw afriend of mine, my old celly.
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I went and saw him in twocomes up a few weeks ago,
and there's a bunch of vending machinesthere. You got to bring change with
so you can buy some snacks andsome soda and just sit down and kind
of enjoy your time with them.There was a hamburger out of the vending
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machine. It was like seven bucks. SODA's a can of soda was a
dollar twenty five. Like a bagof Doritos, like the little tiny bag
you know, with like four chipsin it was like a buck fifty.
I was like, good God,like inflation even hit in here, and
I was talking to him about that, and he said, yeah, everything
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on commissary is going up, butthe income's not going up. So even
if you're lucky, most of thepeople inside make like a dollar twenty a
day, dollar twenty a day.See him make six bucks a week.
Just take an average four weeks inthe month, twenty four bucks. So
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twenty four bucks. You've got topay for communication. You've got to pay
for your phone time. You've gotto pay for envelopes if you're writing somebody,
You've got to pay for your soap, you're deodorant, You've got to
pay for all of your toiletries,two fresh toothpaste, all of that stuff.
All of those are going up.So you're lucky if you've got anything
left over to buy something off commissary. So where are you supposed to come
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up with the money to pay forthese fines when you get back out?
And then here's the funny thing.If you don't pay your fines when you
get back out, guess what theydo. They hit you in another charge
and they send you're right back throughthe system again. When I tell you
that it's set up like a revolvingdoor and it is set up like this
on purpose. It's things like this. Why I say that very strongly.
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That is my opinion. But Ithink I have more than enough evidence to
back that up and call it afact. But I will still say that
is my opinion. And the finalpart of the Eighth Amendment nor cruel and
unusual punishments inflicted? Well, whothe hell defines what cruel and unusual is?
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Now, let's let's keep this inperspective. We have a government,
ladies and gentlemen, who for decades, decades, danced around the definition of
torture and even when they got caught. No, no, no, no,
those are enhanced interrogation techniques. That'snot torture. It's just enhanced interrogation.
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No, no, you're torture inthat dude, waterboarding. You can't
tell me that that is not crueland unusual. This is the same people,
the same people who have bombed othercountries regardless of who's there. They
tell us that we need to hita high value target. How many times
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over the last twenty three years,in just the two thousands alone, have
we accidentally quote unquote blown up civiliansin other countries. There's a reason that
the rest of the world views theUnited States of America as the number one
terrorist organization in the world. It'sbecause of stuff like that, and we
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just brush it away. No,no, no, we're defending democracy.
I'm not even going to get intowhat we're really defending. That as a
topic for a different time and adifferent show. But needless to say,
those are examples of the type ofcharacter of the system. That's the kind
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of thing that they do. Soyou leave this sentence of nor cruel and
unusual punishments afflicted? Do you leaveit open ended for them to define?
Please? There is a study donein Nebraska a few years ago on the
effects of isolation, the effects ofsolitary confinement. There are so many studies
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out there in addition to this thattalk about the mental and physical and emotional
harm that this does to a humanbeing, to your psyche, and it
is flat out ignored, just fletNobody in government will address it. Oh
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they may stand up there and blowhard and talk about, oh, we
need to do something about this,They're not going to do anything about it.
They're just trying to get votes.That is a cruel and unusual punishment.
Staffing levels in Nebraska are so bad. We have the second most crowded,
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second most overcrowded pardon me, prisonpopulation in the United States, and
on top of that, we haveone of the lowest staffing levels. Like
the demand for staff is through theroof. They're taking people are working like
doubles almost every day now. They'remaking a killing and overtime, but they're
burning out so fast. So youhave people inside who look forward to communicating
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with their family outside. You know, that's your lifeline. Like me going
and seeing my friend the other day. I haven't seen him in three years,
three and a half. Right beforeCOVID, that was the last time
that I saw him. They shutit down. I haven't been able to
see him for three years. Theyjust started doing the visits year ago again,
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not even just because of COVID,because they didn't have staff so they
couldn't run the visiting room effectively.So you're running out of money to be
able to communicate with anybody by phoneor by mail because the price of all
of that stuff's going up. Youcan't see anybody because they're not letting them
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in because they don't have the staffto do it. So you are completely
isolated from your support group. Youare completely isolated from your support system.
Now, how is that going tohelp? How does that set anyone up
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for a successful reentry back into thecommunity When you won't even let them talk
to anybody, You won't let themsee their friends, their family, their
wife, their kids, cousins,best friends. Nope, nope, too
bad. Sucks to be you,I guess. Oh, but they might
do some video visits that you haveto pay an un goodly amount of money
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for. You know, if Iwant to send my friend money and put
it on his books, I've gottapay, Like if I just want to
drop a ten or twenty on hisbook, I gotta pay like five to
ten dollars in a fee just todo that. So think about these families
that are out here that are dealingwith the loss of a second income in
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their home, struggling to make endsmeet, barely keeping things together. And
if they want to just drop fiveor ten bucks on their loved ones books,
they're going to pay almost the sameamount of the fee to do it.
Were they supposed to come up withall this money from? And again,
the cost of inflation out here ishidden. Two gases going up rent
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housing that's all going up. Foodis going up, clothing is going up,
everything's going up. That five buckscan make or break your month.
We're coming close to a break,and so when we come back, we'll
get into a couple of the otheramendments. And I also want to talk
about I want to talk about avideo clip that I saw the other day
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of a conservative speaking at a college. Now, normally I love those videos.
I love even if I don't agreewith the conservative that's up there or
the liberal whoever it might be.Even if it don't agree with them,
I like knowing what they have tosay and what their argument is, so
I can understand where they're coming from. This dude, I don't know how
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he is respected in any way.I don't know who put him up there
and said, hey, you shouldcome speak. That dude has no idea
what he's talking about, blatantly obvious. So we'll cover that when we get
back. We're going to take abreak. Stay with us. We will
see you back in a few Thephone lines are still open if you to
jump in and have a conversation.One eight hundred five eight eight zero three
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three five eight hundred five eight eightzero three three five. If you're just
joining us, we're talking about someof the constitutional amendments and how they are
being applied or not being applied,and the injustice that comes along with that.
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So we got I've done talking aboutthe eighth Amendment, and now I
want to talk about the thirteenth Amendment. But I want to talk about it
in relation to this speaker that Ilistened to a clip of the other day.
I don't even remember what his namewas. You know, every now
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and then I'll get a clip fromlike Ben Shapiro or Matt Walsh or Stephen
Crowder and love listening to those guys. Not because I'm conservative at all.
I'm not liberal either. I donot identify with either party. They're both
a bunch of lie ambassaard, twosides of the same coin. But I
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like listening to their points because ifthey can make a very well thought out
point that you don't really have arebuttal for well, and that identifies something
that you need to take a lookat. Maybe it's an issue that I've
been looking at wrong for most ofmy life, or maybe I just need
to strengthen my position more so thatthe next time someone tries to throw an
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argument like that at me, Iat least have a rebuttal or I can
take their argument apart. So fortunatelyI was able to do that in this
case as a clip of a gentlemanat a college who is responding to a
student who's coming up and asking thema question. And it didn't it didn't
record the question, but it recordedthe speaker repeating back the question, and
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the question was basically something along thefact of treating those in prison as slaves.
Now, at the beginning of myshow, I talk about that flat
out. The thirteenth Amendment to theConstitution. It says it right There's you
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can't mince the words on this one. It's pretty simple. Neither slavery nor
involuntary servitude accept as a punishment fora crime whereof the party shall have been
duly convicted, shall exist within theUnited States. See we're taught in schools
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that the thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery.No, No, it did not,
unless the definition of abolished change tomeans something of converted or changed to something
different. Because it says it rightthere. Accept as a punishment for a
crime whereof the parties shall have beenduly convicted so if you are convicted of
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a crime, you are now accordingto the thirteenth Amendment, according to the
government, you're a slave. Youare their slave, and they can do
whatever the hell they want with you. That's why they get away with all
of this crap because too many peopledon't realize that this is what's going on.
So when this student is standing theretalking to the speaker saying, these
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people are slaves, and he immediatelystands up there and says, no,
no, that's not the definition ofa slave. Where are these people working
in the field of Dude, shutthe hell up. Your ignorance is blatant.
You're wearing it on your sleeve foreverybody to see. They just changed
the definition of what slavery means overtime. They just took it from someone
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that works in the fields, orworks in the chain, or works in
the house, and they just putthem in a prison. That's all they
did. They just relocated them.They relocated them and made them the property
of the government instead of the propertyof individuals. And that's not even including
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the for profit privately owned prisons,because then technically, if we are sending
somebody to a for profit, privatelyowned prison, that is not of the
government, Well, then that isprivately owned slavery. It's still out there.
It happens every single day. Butwhen you're in school and you're taught
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about the thirteenth Amendment, all theyteach you is an abolished slavery. No,
there's not slavery. We did awaywith slavery. Abraham Lincoln greatest prison.
He did away with slavery. Wedon't have to deal with that anymore.
The hell we don't. They justchange the words again, as I
talked about with the eighth Amendment,what's your definition of slavery? Who's defining
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slavery, who's defining involuntary servitude?Who, especially here's a good one,
who's defining duly convicted? So thespeaker goes on to talk about again just
light and ignorance, Light and ignorance, talking about how the fact, oh,
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these people aren't slaved though they wereduly convicted, or the blah blah
blah, and this student normally inthese clips, you know, of course,
they try to make these students outto be They try to make them
out to be buffoons. They tryto pick the one that just comes out
of the gate, didn't think theirquestion through very well, maybe they're just
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emotional and not not not thinking clearly. His follow up to that was,
hold on, when are we goingto treat these people with respect? Like?
When are we going to treat themwith human dignity? And I this
is one of those instances where I'mlike, wow, dude, said the
quiet part out loud. I can'tbelieve he just said that out there for
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everybody to hear. He flat outsaid that you lose you lose the dignity
and respect when you're convicted. Soif you're convicted, I don't have to
treat you with dignity or respect.Now you lost that right because you broke
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the law. And obviously if youbroke there's no possible way that the law
could be skewed, or that youcould be wrongfully convicted, or that these
so vaguely worded phrases and words andlaws could be misinterpreted or just twisted and
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turned to however the hell they want. Whatever prosecutor or judge is running for
reelection. It's got nothing to dowith it, of course not, but
he just just said it, justout there, said it. No,
if you're convicted, I don't gotto treat you with any dignity. Yeah,
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okay, so then that raises allkinds of questions. Well, then
when do you when do you thento start treating them with dignity and human
rights and respect. Again, whatwould it be when you have quote unquote
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paid your debt to society and whenyou're done with your sentence. That would
make sense, wouldn't it fantastic?Yeah, let's do that. So then
why don't we get rid of thecruel and unusual punishment that sticks with people
after they're done with their sentence.Get rid of the get rid of the
felony in the background check, getrid of the registry, get rid of
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your loss of voting rights, anda lot of states, what about the
ban on owning a weapon? Sowhat, I was convicted and I'm not
allowed to protect my family ever again. And if we're speaking, if I'm
addressing this conservative speaker, you know, isn't that Isn't that what the Second
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Amendment is for the right to beararms to protect myself against the government,
to protect myself against tyranny, orto protect myself and my family from unwanted
intruders. Oh, but I lostthat because I was duly convicted quote unquote,
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so I'm not allowed to defend myselfagainst the government or anybody else anymore.
And you want to know why,Because I'm a fricking slave, You're
a slave. We're all slaves tothem. That's how they view it.
And that's why if they were rights, they couldn't take them away from us.
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Could not believe that. He justwill add out said it the quiet
part outlat now. And here's anotherfunny one. And this one I think
is a little pertinent because of someof the some of the people that I've
been hearing from lately, especially myfriend who sent me that information I've just
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talked about. Is his case acouple of weeks ago. The Fifth Amendment.
The Fifth Amendment discusses grand jury,double jeopardy, self incrimination, due
process, etc. Etc. Thepoint that I want to get out of
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here on this one is towards theend, the last part of the sentence
says, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process
of law. And nor shall privateproperty be taken for public and use without
just compensation. Deprived of life,liberty, or property without due process of
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law? What the hell is dueprocess of law? Where is that?
Definition, and I don't want tohear anything about precedent. I don't want
to hear anything about well case lawdefines it as no no no, no
no, because that could be dependenton whoever the hell the judges at that
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point. If that goes to theSupreme Court, that stuff just depends on
how many people are on the boardthat feel one way and how many feel
the other way. So if Iwas to take something before the Supreme Court
the Law of the Land ten yearsapart, with different members on there,
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they might rule two completely different ways. To mention, these are still people.
These are still human beings who haveopinions and biases, regardless of how
they tell you that, Oh,I took this oath and I don't have
a bias and the law is blindto be Oh, don't give me that
bs. You know what the funnything is, I took an insurance exam
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years ago, and we were talkingabout someone just the weird time frames when
it comes to insurance, and howyou know you have thirty days to respond
to this, you've got twenty fourdays to respond to that, You've got
fifteen days to respond to this.And I'll never forget the instructor saying,
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do you know why it is thatway? It says, because that's the
date they picked. They just madeit up, said, you know what
they usually do. Typically what happensis some senator or congressman's son gets caught
up, gets screwed over by something. They don't like that, so then
they go in and they create alegislation specifically to benefit them or someone that
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they know. And you know whatthat's about, right, that's about right,
because I can't I can't think ofa law on the books at this
point in time that is specifically designedto benefit the general population, benefit the
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masses, without giving any type ofkickback or any type of benefit financial,
otherwise, political power, whatever itis, to those in power, without
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due process of law. How isit then that you have people who are
inside, like my friend who reachedout to me and sent me all of
the documentation that he's been trying toget anybody listened to talking about his case
where he's inside, and they justdecided, oh, hey, by the
way, I know you've only gota little bit of time left, but
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we're gonna go ahead and we're goingto tweak that judge's judge's sentence because this
is how he should have done itin the first place. Sorry about that.
Now you've got more time on yoursentence. There you go, We
fixed it. Justice has been achieved. Go team. That doesn't seem like
due process of law to me.Again, due process of law according to
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who, due process of law accordingto this system. I mean the same
people that have been caught time andtime again, lying, cheating, stealing,
fabricating evidence, lying on the stand, charging people with flat out no
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evidence whatsoever due process of law.Nor shall private property be taken for public
use without just compensation. Now,maybe you've heard stories. Maybe it's happened
to you. I don't know.I hope to god it hasn't. It's
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not too prevalent, but maybe you'veheard of it. If the police pull
you over and suspect you, justsuspect you of having committed a crime,
or being currently in the commission ofa crime, or just if they don't
like the way that you look,they can take all of your personal property
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right then and there. They cantake all your money, they can take
your jewelry, mayn't even take theircar if they want, and you will
never get it back ever. Andthat has been uphold upheld in the courts.
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They absolutely, according to the system, have the right to do that
just because they suspected you. Youdidn't even do anything. They don't even
have to charge you with anything afterthe fact. They could just say,
and he was suspicious, we tooka step, and the court will go,
okay, man, that sounds fair, and you can go. But
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I wasn't charged with anything, oreven if you were, I was found
completely innocent. The court goes,it doesn't matter. That's not how they've
decided to interpret that law. Now. You know, if you ever just
sit down and actually look at theConstitution and look at the laws that are
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written, it should start to jogyour memory and just really really get some
questions going, like what the hellis going on? Why is it worded
that way? What exactly does thatmean? You know. The funny thing
is Fourth Amendment even talks about searchand seizure, and that specifically talks about
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the right of people to be securein their persons houses, papers effects against
unreasonable searching seizures shall not be violatedto warrants, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, or doing it allthe time. I mean just those
instances where I talk to you.If it's a traffic stop, if you
get pulled over for running a stopsign, to running a red light,
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whatever it might be, speeding,and that officer just thinks this guy looks
a little funny. I'll bet he'scommitting a crime right now. They can
take all of your stuff. Idon't have to compensate you for it,
which is in direct violation of theFifth Amendment. You'll never get it back.
There's no warrant, there's no charge, there's no there's no justice,
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direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.If you just sit down and read these
things and don't stop. Stop listeningto the media. Stop listening to the
politicians when they're talking, because theyare they are youwing whatever it is that
they're talking. How do you knowwhat politicians lying when their mouth is moving.
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Just stop listening to, stop listeningthe media, stop reading the newspaper,
mainstream media. Just stop and startto look these things up yourself.
Just start to read it. Ichallenge you, just google constitutional amendments and
read through all of them, justtwenty seven twenty. It won't take you
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long. Realistically, it won't takeyou long. Some of them are not
that big of a deal, like, you know, the right to vote
at age eighteen, the presidential vote, just the two term limit on presidency,
things like that. It's those aren'tthat begin a deal. But still
if you go through and you readthem, it's an exercise for your mind,
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because you've got to understand this ishow they play the game. This
is how they catch us. Weand when I say we, I'm talking
about just the general population. Wedon't operate the same way that these liars
and psychopaths do. We just wejust don't. And if you don't learn
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to speak their language, you won'tknow when they're screwing you over until it's
too late. You know. It'sfunny. There was a it was a
city councilman and eventually went into Congressnamed we Tarry, And personally I never
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liked the guy much. Just thestereotypical, sleazy looking, slick back hair.
Just man, you could just tellwhen he was smiling at you,
it was just an empty smile.And again this is all my opinion.
If for some weird reason, LeeTerry is listening, you're welcome to call
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and convince me. Otherwise, Ijust never liked the guy never liked him.
However, I will say he atleast was honest when he was discussing
things like bills and the law.He called into a weekly talk show and
they would just ask him questions aboutwhat was going on in Congress, what's
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going on, what's going on withthis? What laws are you looking at
now? How are you addressing this? And one of the points that he
made when they were asking about alaw I don't know, like gun rights,
I don't remember the specific they're talkingabout passing a bill for restrict gun
legislation, gun control, And hesaid, and I'm paraphrasing, he said,
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one of the things you have tounderstand is that these bills have so
many added things in them that havenothing to do with that bill that a
lot of times when I'm voting ona bill, I'm not voting on the
bill itself. I'm voting on allof this other stuff. They call it
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the pork. They're adding things totry to win votes. So, for
instance, if he was to cometo somebody and say, hey, I'm
trying to garner support to get thisgun control legislation post wells, other congressmen
may say, well, you knowwhat, I'll tell you what, I
need some extra money in my districtto take care of these roads. You
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know, my people have really beenon me about that. If you can
sneak something in there to send afew million dollars over to me, I'll
send it over and they can takecare of these roads. Then I'll vote
for you. Things like that.So the interesting play here then is,
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let's say that there's all kinds ofthings going on like that, and there's
twenty or thirty of them just builtin there, millions and billions of dollars
changing hands that have nothing to dowith the original legislation. And then you
get a congressman like Lee Terry wherehe would say I would vote no on
a bill, and then of coursein the paper the next day, Oh,
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Congressman Lee Terry votes no on guncontrol, blah blah blah blah blah,
and they would rip him apart forit. He's like, no,
no, no, I'm not votingno on the gun control I'm voting no
on all of the rest of thecrap that's in that bill. And nobody
ever pays attention to that, maynever talk about it in the media.
The politicians aren't going to tell youabout it. You know where you find
it. Read the bill. Justjust read it, the new TikTok bill
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that they're talking about. Read it. I haven't read it yet. I've
talked to some people that have Itrust their opinion, but at the same
time trust but verified. I maytrust their opinion, but I need to
verify it for myself. Just starttake a look at the amendments. Start
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there. If you don't catch somethingwhere you go, wait, what does
that mean? Or well, holdon a second, that doesn't seem right.
We shouldn't be doing X, YZ if we were following this amendment.
Then if you don't catch something likethat, then you know what.
Maybe I'm wrong, and I apologize. I doubt that I am, and
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I really don't think I'm going tohave to apologize because it's all right there
in front of you. They don'ttry to hide this stuff. They don't
so get involved. Read this stuff. I know it's boring. I know,
oh it makes my head hurt,makes my head hurt. And they
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do that specifically. They write itthat way because they know, especially in
our culture nowadays, with our shortattention spans, that you're not going to
take the time to read through allof it, Prove them wrong, prove
them wrong, learn their language.So the next time that you're around and
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somebody starts spouting their mouth about somethingthey obviously have no idea what they're talking
about, you can have a legitimateconversation with them and challenge them, Challenge
them on their beliefs, stand byyours, and start to make that change.
I hope you've found in today's show. I certainly would appreciate any feedback.
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I'd love hearing from everybody so far. I'd love to hear from everybody
else. If you haven't reached out, thank you for tuning in. I
will speak of y'all next week,and as always, remember keep your head
up, don't let them get you. It may be easy to look at
all the corruption and manipulation in thesystem and feel hopeless. Here at surviving
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the system. We hold to thebelief that greatness is born in the midst
of extraordinary struggles. You were createdwith a purpose, with infinite potential,
and many have lost sight of thatback We're here to remind you of who
you are. The best revenge,the success
The thirteenth Amendment to the United StatesConstitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude except as
a punishment for a crime. Everwondered how we ended up with the largest
prison population of any country. Haveyou noticed that those whose jobs it is
to protect and serve seem to bedemanding more and more blind obedience. You
didn't think it just happened by chance, did you. It's time to call
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attention to the fact our government,as the most prolific slave owner on the
planet or less, is surviving thesystem. Thank you for joining me today
on surviving the system. This isDance and Dave. And before we get
going, first of all, justwant to quickly apologize for the audio quality.
Microphone is on the fritz. I'vegot to shortened wire somewhere. We're
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working on it, so I'm justworking on backup audio for the time being.
It's not the greatest, but it'sconsistent so we won't have it shortened
out intermittently through the show. Sothank you for your patience and bearing with
me while we get that issue resolvedtoday. You know, I over the
last over the last week or two, I have had more people reach out
(01:07):
to me than I have in thelast few months. I'm not sure exactly
what's going on, but it lookslike a lot of people have been responding
to some of the posts put outby Tim Wright, his wife, who
is running the social media account.I'm not sure if she's doing another push
(01:27):
or if just the algorithms or gettingthat stuff out there, but I've had
quite a few people reach out tome, and I love it. I
absolutely appreciate it and keep them coming. You know, the more stories that
I can get, the more wecan talk about it, and the more
we can talk about it, themore we can draw attention to it,
and the more attention we draw toit, the more change we can create.
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You know, if we just continueto let these things go on behind
closed doors, go on in thedarkness without shedding any light, it's never
going to get anything done. Wecan't keep turning a blind eye. We
can't keep sticking our heads in thesand, pretending like nothing is going on
around us and everything is okay.We have to face these and address these
issues. So I want to getinto a little bit of that today,
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and we're going to go over someof the amendments. You know, if
you listen to the beginning of theshow if you've listened for any time.
Obviously, I focus quite a biton the thirteenth Amendment and the wording of
that, but a lot of theother amendments are being twisted and used in
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ways that they're not intended to likeif you just look at the language,
and quite honestly, a lot ofthem are just being flat out ignored.
So we'll talk a little bit aboutthat today. I'll talk a little bit
about some of the stories that I'veheard lately, and we'll open up the
phone lines, so if you wantto jump in and share your story and
contribute to the conversation, the numbersone eight hundred and five eight eight zero
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three three five eight five eight eightzero three three to five. Before we
get started, a couple quick housekeepingitems. If you are listening to us
live on fringe dot Fm, thanksfor tuning in. We always appreciate your
listenership. If you are catching thison the podcast, please do take some
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time to like the show, ratethe show, leave me a comment,
and most importantly, share the showwith your community. And as I just
talked about there, I'm not goingto get much help from Google I'm going
to get much help from places likeAmazon. It's really a grassroots effort for
you helping me to get the wordout to everybody. So thank you all
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for your help. Danielle, thankyou for your help with Tim. Obviously,
I wouldn't have those conversations that I'vebeen having lately if it wasn't for
you on Facebook dot com, slashSurviving the System or on Twitter at STS
the podcast ask and if you preferto listen on a web browser, you
can check out the website Surviving theSystem dot org. I keep an archive
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of all the shows there, aswell as a contact me page. Love
to hear from you on that aswell. And before we get started,
as always, I do want totake a quick moment and start with gratitude,
and especially especially with a topic likethis. I don't know if you
can tell, but I'm pretty firedup about this already. This is the
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stuff that man. I can talkabout this stuff for hours and I'll get
myself worked up into a frenzy.So I have to be very careful when
we talk about topics like this becausewe want to handle it in a productive
and constructive manner. We don't wantto just go charging into the china shop
like a bowl and just leave apath of destruction in our wake and then
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stop and look back afterwards and gooops, sorry about that. We're going
to go at this intentionally. We'regoing to go at this. We're going
to talk about these issues. We'regoing to be constructive about it, and
at the end we're at least goingto have some follow up points to do.
We'll at least have a better understandingof it, and hopefully some action
items that you can take. Sowith that in mind, I do want
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to quickly say that I am sograteful to be here with you, allowing
me to live out my purpose tohelp to remind you of who you really
are and what you're truly capable of. So I was recently contacted by an
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organization on Twitter. We've been chattingquite a bit. We've been trying to
connect on the phone, have nothad an option to Most of that lies
on my end. I was Iwas sick for a little bit, which
is why I missed the last coupleof weeks. Just life gets in the
way. But I want to atleast draw attention to it because it's funny.
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It the name of the organizations pleadthe eighth and I had to stop
when I saw that because it waslike, well, what does that have
to do with anything? And theirmission is dedicated to educating, advocating,
and transforming the justice system into havingfair or safer and more effective practices.
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Fantastic. That is a great missionto have. So many organizations do and
we need to have those. Butwhat exactly is the eighth Amendment? And
that's where I kind of had tostop and go, well, hold on
a second, man, It's beenyears since I've done a lot of my
constitutional study, so I had togo back and take a look. And
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funny enough, the eighth Amendment isthe Amendment dealing with Cruel and Unusual Punishment,
and the amendment itself says excessive bailshall not be required, nor excessive
fines imposed, nor cruel and unusualpunishments inflicted. Now, as soon as
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I read that, I immediately itwas like, Oh, I get it.
That's why your organization is named that, because not one word of that,
not one word of that, isbeing followed in the United States of
America by any organization of law enforcementthat I know of. Excessive bail shall
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not be required well, first ofall, what the hell's excessive bail?
And who determines that? Nor excessivefine? Again, who the hell determines
what's an excessive fine and what's not? And most importantly, nor cruel and
unusual punishments afflicted? Well, whothe hell defines what cruel and unusual is
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my bail? I saw when Iwas when I was going up for my
bail hearing, I was listening tothe people ahead of me, and it
was things like, I mean,assault with a deadly weapon, trafficking of
arms, a lot of guns,a lot of violence, and they're all
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getting bail of like a thousand,five thousand, two thousand. Now,
what a lot of people don't understandis that with that bail, you just
you pay ten percent to get out, and it's basically like a down payment.
You put down ten percent and ifyou don't show, then you owe
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all of that. That's when that'swhen the head hunters come out for you,
or the bounding hunters, they comeout looking for you, and that's
where they collect their bount So I'mlistening to these So these people got to
pay a couple hundred bucks, maybefive hundred at the top. Mind no
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record ever before nothing stable family hada job, fifty thousand dollars bail,
and the whole time leading up tothat, like I'm sitting there thinking,
I've got a few hundred bucks inmy account right now, fantastic, I'll
pay, I'll get out, I'llfigure out what the hell is going on.
I mean, my life had beenupended at that point. I could
barely barely keep my grip on reality. Fifty thousand dollars, Where the hell
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am I supposed to come up withfive grands? Like I didn't just have
five thousand dollars sitting around at thattime. To me, that's pretty damn
excessive. That's a damn excessive amountof money. And they knew it.
And he sat there and asked mequestions about, oh, you know,
what's your job, how much doyou make? You know, what are
your bills, trying to get anidea of how much money I made.
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And then he's all right, well, fifty thousand, you can come up
with five grand, that's not that'sno problem. You know, maybe not
for you he's son of a bitch, but for me, that's going to
take a little bit of time.Unfortunately, we were able to come up
with that, and I was abledown the road to repay that. But
that's pretty damn excessive. Now that'snot including people who are in other states
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with bales of one hundred thousand dollars, two hundred thousand dollars in the excess
of millions of dollars, or whatif you're just denied bail completely, if
they just say we're not even goingto give you bail because you're a flight
risk, you're danger to society,whatever reason they want to come up with,
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I mean I would consider that excessiveas well. So this is this
is a big problem. It's theold saying who watches the watchman? Because
you have this legal system put inplace, you have this system quote unquote
the system put in place that pythnicallyleaves words without definition so they can interpret
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it however the hell they want.And it's very difficult for me to explain
all of that to you until you'vebeen through it. So if you've been
through it, you know exactly whatI'm talking about. You know exactly what
I'm talking about. It's so difficultto stand there and go, well,
what does that mean? Because theydon't know and they're not going to tell
you, because they want to leaveit open ended, so they can come
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back on you if they want.They want to come back and do whatever
the hell they want to do now, not just the excessive bail. Let's
talk about excessive fine. I've talkedabout this previously. But in the state
of Nebraska, when you leave thecorrectional institution, when you're leaving prison and
you're coming back into the streets,you walk out the door with one hundred
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dollars check. That's it. Maybeif you're lucky and you live outside of
the city that you're being released from, maybe they'll give you a bus ticket.
You know, if you've got somehealth issues, mental health or physical
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health, maybe they'll give you amonth's supply of some of your medication.
And that's it. You're on yourown. Man, good luck one hundred
bucks kicking the ass. You'll getthem, kid, God help you if
you mess up, get your assright back in here. But a lot
of these people are coming out witha hundred dollars check and finds of thousands
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and tens of thousands of dollars.How in the hell are you supposed to
pay that back? You know,you've got things like court fines if they
were post they're not always, butthey could be. You've got taxes,
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you know, if you're not ableto take care of things from inside,
or if you don't know enough totake care of it, the irs is
still going to come out to you. They don't care. They don't care.
They'll just wait. They'll be sittingthere and waiting outside for you.
Go, Hey, congratulations, youmade it. Now, by the way,
you owe us this money for backtaxes, because this is the money
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you should have paid us. Sowhere is it? And of course they'll
tack on fees and fines and latefees and all kinds of stuff. So
if you had been outside and filedyour taxes, maybe you would have owed
a couple of hundred dollars at thattime. But fast forward and after all
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the fees and interest and all that, maybe it's ten thousand dollars just because
they can. It's totally an arbitrarynumber. How they come up with that
crowd my opinion. If you havechildren, you know, primarily this is
for men, but there are womenas well who have custody of children.
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Child support. You know, ifyou come out, that doesn't stop,
that doesn't stop. Now, youcan petition the court to have it reduced,
and typically they're understanding about that.That is one thing I will say
that they're like, I mean,it doesn't have income. There's not much
we can do. And I thinkin the state of Nebraska they can drop
it to like fifty dollars a month. But still, where are you supposed
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to get fifty bucks a month?You know, if you're lucky. If
you're lucky, you make three bucksa day. You work five days a
week, so that's fifteen bucks aweek. But just think, just think.
Now, I went and saw afriend of mine, my old celly.
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I went and saw him in twocomes up a few weeks ago,
and there's a bunch of vending machinesthere. You got to bring change with
so you can buy some snacks andsome soda and just sit down and kind
of enjoy your time with them.There was a hamburger out of the vending
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machine. It was like seven bucks. SODA's a can of soda was a
dollar twenty five. Like a bagof Doritos, like the little tiny bag
you know, with like four chipsin it was like a buck fifty.
I was like, good God,like inflation even hit in here, and
I was talking to him about that, and he said, yeah, everything
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on commissary is going up, butthe income's not going up. So even
if you're lucky, most of thepeople inside make like a dollar twenty a
day, dollar twenty a day.See him make six bucks a week.
Just take an average four weeks inthe month, twenty four bucks. So
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twenty four bucks. You've got topay for communication. You've got to pay
for your phone time. You've gotto pay for envelopes if you're writing somebody,
You've got to pay for your soap, you're deodorant, You've got to
pay for all of your toiletries,two fresh toothpaste, all of that stuff.
All of those are going up.So you're lucky if you've got anything
left over to buy something off commissary. So where are you supposed to come
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up with the money to pay forthese fines when you get back out?
And then here's the funny thing.If you don't pay your fines when you
get back out, guess what theydo. They hit you in another charge
and they send you're right back throughthe system again. When I tell you
that it's set up like a revolvingdoor and it is set up like this
on purpose. It's things like this. Why I say that very strongly.
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That is my opinion. But Ithink I have more than enough evidence to
back that up and call it afact. But I will still say that
is my opinion. And the finalpart of the Eighth Amendment nor cruel and
unusual punishments inflicted? Well, whothe hell defines what cruel and unusual is?
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Now, let's let's keep this inperspective. We have a government,
ladies and gentlemen, who for decades, decades, danced around the definition of
torture and even when they got caught. No, no, no, no,
those are enhanced interrogation techniques. That'snot torture. It's just enhanced interrogation.
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No, no, you're torture inthat dude, waterboarding. You can't
tell me that that is not crueland unusual. This is the same people,
the same people who have bombed othercountries regardless of who's there. They
tell us that we need to hita high value target. How many times
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over the last twenty three years,in just the two thousands alone, have
we accidentally quote unquote blown up civiliansin other countries. There's a reason that
the rest of the world views theUnited States of America as the number one
terrorist organization in the world. It'sbecause of stuff like that, and we
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just brush it away. No,no, no, we're defending democracy.
I'm not even going to get intowhat we're really defending. That as a
topic for a different time and adifferent show. But needless to say,
those are examples of the type ofcharacter of the system. That's the kind
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of thing that they do. Soyou leave this sentence of nor cruel and
unusual punishments afflicted? Do you leaveit open ended for them to define?
Please? There is a study donein Nebraska a few years ago on the
effects of isolation, the effects ofsolitary confinement. There are so many studies
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out there in addition to this thattalk about the mental and physical and emotional
harm that this does to a humanbeing, to your psyche, and it
is flat out ignored, just fletNobody in government will address it. Oh
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they may stand up there and blowhard and talk about, oh, we
need to do something about this,They're not going to do anything about it.
They're just trying to get votes.That is a cruel and unusual punishment.
Staffing levels in Nebraska are so bad. We have the second most crowded,
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second most overcrowded pardon me, prisonpopulation in the United States, and
on top of that, we haveone of the lowest staffing levels. Like
the demand for staff is through theroof. They're taking people are working like
doubles almost every day now. They'remaking a killing and overtime, but they're
burning out so fast. So youhave people inside who look forward to communicating
(20:38):
with their family outside. You know, that's your lifeline. Like me going
and seeing my friend the other day. I haven't seen him in three years,
three and a half. Right beforeCOVID, that was the last time
that I saw him. They shutit down. I haven't been able to
see him for three years. Theyjust started doing the visits year ago again,
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not even just because of COVID,because they didn't have staff so they
couldn't run the visiting room effectively.So you're running out of money to be
able to communicate with anybody by phoneor by mail because the price of all
of that stuff's going up. Youcan't see anybody because they're not letting them
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in because they don't have the staffto do it. So you are completely
isolated from your support group. Youare completely isolated from your support system.
Now, how is that going tohelp? How does that set anyone up
(21:45):
for a successful reentry back into thecommunity When you won't even let them talk
to anybody, You won't let themsee their friends, their family, their
wife, their kids, cousins,best friends. Nope, nope, too
bad. Sucks to be you,I guess. Oh, but they might
do some video visits that you haveto pay an un goodly amount of money
(22:12):
for. You know, if Iwant to send my friend money and put
it on his books, I've gottapay, Like if I just want to
drop a ten or twenty on hisbook, I gotta pay like five to
ten dollars in a fee just todo that. So think about these families
that are out here that are dealingwith the loss of a second income in
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their home, struggling to make endsmeet, barely keeping things together. And
if they want to just drop fiveor ten bucks on their loved ones books,
they're going to pay almost the sameamount of the fee to do it.
Were they supposed to come up withall this money from? And again,
the cost of inflation out here ishidden. Two gases going up rent
(22:56):
housing that's all going up. Foodis going up, clothing is going up,
everything's going up. That five buckscan make or break your month.
We're coming close to a break,and so when we come back, we'll
get into a couple of the otheramendments. And I also want to talk
about I want to talk about avideo clip that I saw the other day
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of a conservative speaking at a college. Now, normally I love those videos.
I love even if I don't agreewith the conservative that's up there or
the liberal whoever it might be.Even if it don't agree with them,
I like knowing what they have tosay and what their argument is, so
I can understand where they're coming from. This dude, I don't know how
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he is respected in any way.I don't know who put him up there
and said, hey, you shouldcome speak. That dude has no idea
what he's talking about, blatantly obvious. So we'll cover that when we get
back. We're going to take abreak. Stay with us. We will
see you back in a few Thephone lines are still open if you to
jump in and have a conversation.One eight hundred five eight eight zero three
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three five eight hundred five eight eightzero three three five. If you're just
joining us, we're talking about someof the constitutional amendments and how they are
being applied or not being applied,and the injustice that comes along with that.
(24:29):
So we got I've done talking aboutthe eighth Amendment, and now I
want to talk about the thirteenth Amendment. But I want to talk about it
in relation to this speaker that Ilistened to a clip of the other day.
I don't even remember what his namewas. You know, every now
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and then I'll get a clip fromlike Ben Shapiro or Matt Walsh or Stephen
Crowder and love listening to those guys. Not because I'm conservative at all.
I'm not liberal either. I donot identify with either party. They're both
a bunch of lie ambassaard, twosides of the same coin. But I
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like listening to their points because ifthey can make a very well thought out
point that you don't really have arebuttal for well, and that identifies something
that you need to take a lookat. Maybe it's an issue that I've
been looking at wrong for most ofmy life, or maybe I just need
to strengthen my position more so thatthe next time someone tries to throw an
(25:33):
argument like that at me, Iat least have a rebuttal or I can
take their argument apart. So fortunatelyI was able to do that in this
case as a clip of a gentlemanat a college who is responding to a
student who's coming up and asking thema question. And it didn't it didn't
record the question, but it recordedthe speaker repeating back the question, and
(25:57):
the question was basically something along thefact of treating those in prison as slaves.
Now, at the beginning of myshow, I talk about that flat
out. The thirteenth Amendment to theConstitution. It says it right There's you
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can't mince the words on this one. It's pretty simple. Neither slavery nor
involuntary servitude accept as a punishment fora crime whereof the party shall have been
duly convicted, shall exist within theUnited States. See we're taught in schools
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that the thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery.No, No, it did not,
unless the definition of abolished change tomeans something of converted or changed to something
different. Because it says it rightthere. Accept as a punishment for a
crime whereof the parties shall have beenduly convicted so if you are convicted of
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a crime, you are now accordingto the thirteenth Amendment, according to the
government, you're a slave. Youare their slave, and they can do
whatever the hell they want with you. That's why they get away with all
of this crap because too many peopledon't realize that this is what's going on.
So when this student is standing theretalking to the speaker saying, these
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people are slaves, and he immediatelystands up there and says, no,
no, that's not the definition ofa slave. Where are these people working
in the field of Dude, shutthe hell up. Your ignorance is blatant.
You're wearing it on your sleeve foreverybody to see. They just changed
the definition of what slavery means overtime. They just took it from someone
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that works in the fields, orworks in the chain, or works in
the house, and they just putthem in a prison. That's all they
did. They just relocated them.They relocated them and made them the property
of the government instead of the propertyof individuals. And that's not even including
(28:18):
the for profit privately owned prisons,because then technically, if we are sending
somebody to a for profit, privatelyowned prison, that is not of the
government, Well, then that isprivately owned slavery. It's still out there.
It happens every single day. Butwhen you're in school and you're taught
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about the thirteenth Amendment, all theyteach you is an abolished slavery. No,
there's not slavery. We did awaywith slavery. Abraham Lincoln greatest prison.
He did away with slavery. Wedon't have to deal with that anymore.
The hell we don't. They justchange the words again, as I
talked about with the eighth Amendment,what's your definition of slavery? Who's defining
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slavery, who's defining involuntary servitude?Who, especially here's a good one,
who's defining duly convicted? So thespeaker goes on to talk about again just
light and ignorance, Light and ignorance, talking about how the fact, oh,
(29:26):
these people aren't slaved though they wereduly convicted, or the blah blah
blah, and this student normally inthese clips, you know, of course,
they try to make these students outto be They try to make them
out to be buffoons. They tryto pick the one that just comes out
of the gate, didn't think theirquestion through very well, maybe they're just
(29:48):
emotional and not not not thinking clearly. His follow up to that was,
hold on, when are we goingto treat these people with respect? Like?
When are we going to treat themwith human dignity? And I this
is one of those instances where I'mlike, wow, dude, said the
quiet part out loud. I can'tbelieve he just said that out there for
(30:08):
everybody to hear. He flat outsaid that you lose you lose the dignity
and respect when you're convicted. Soif you're convicted, I don't have to
treat you with dignity or respect.Now you lost that right because you broke
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the law. And obviously if youbroke there's no possible way that the law
could be skewed, or that youcould be wrongfully convicted, or that these
so vaguely worded phrases and words andlaws could be misinterpreted or just twisted and
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turned to however the hell they want. Whatever prosecutor or judge is running for
reelection. It's got nothing to dowith it, of course not, but
he just just said it, justout there, said it. No,
if you're convicted, I don't gotto treat you with any dignity. Yeah,
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okay, so then that raises allkinds of questions. Well, then
when do you when do you thento start treating them with dignity and human
rights and respect. Again, whatwould it be when you have quote unquote
(31:32):
paid your debt to society and whenyou're done with your sentence. That would
make sense, wouldn't it fantastic?Yeah, let's do that. So then
why don't we get rid of thecruel and unusual punishment that sticks with people
after they're done with their sentence.Get rid of the get rid of the
felony in the background check, getrid of the registry, get rid of
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your loss of voting rights, anda lot of states, what about the
ban on owning a weapon? Sowhat, I was convicted and I'm not
allowed to protect my family ever again. And if we're speaking, if I'm
addressing this conservative speaker, you know, isn't that Isn't that what the Second
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Amendment is for the right to beararms to protect myself against the government,
to protect myself against tyranny, orto protect myself and my family from unwanted
intruders. Oh, but I lostthat because I was duly convicted quote unquote,
(32:42):
so I'm not allowed to defend myselfagainst the government or anybody else anymore.
And you want to know why,Because I'm a fricking slave, You're
a slave. We're all slaves tothem. That's how they view it.
And that's why if they were rights, they couldn't take them away from us.
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Could not believe that. He justwill add out said it the quiet
part outlat now. And here's anotherfunny one. And this one I think
is a little pertinent because of someof the some of the people that I've
been hearing from lately, especially myfriend who sent me that information I've just
(33:30):
talked about. Is his case acouple of weeks ago. The Fifth Amendment.
The Fifth Amendment discusses grand jury,double jeopardy, self incrimination, due
process, etc. Etc. Thepoint that I want to get out of
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here on this one is towards theend, the last part of the sentence
says, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process
of law. And nor shall privateproperty be taken for public and use without
just compensation. Deprived of life,liberty, or property without due process of
(34:15):
law? What the hell is dueprocess of law? Where is that?
Definition, and I don't want tohear anything about precedent. I don't want
to hear anything about well case lawdefines it as no no no, no
no, because that could be dependenton whoever the hell the judges at that
(34:37):
point. If that goes to theSupreme Court, that stuff just depends on
how many people are on the boardthat feel one way and how many feel
the other way. So if Iwas to take something before the Supreme Court
the Law of the Land ten yearsapart, with different members on there,
(34:57):
they might rule two completely different ways. To mention, these are still people.
These are still human beings who haveopinions and biases, regardless of how
they tell you that, Oh,I took this oath and I don't have
a bias and the law is blindto be Oh, don't give me that
bs. You know what the funnything is, I took an insurance exam
(35:23):
years ago, and we were talkingabout someone just the weird time frames when
it comes to insurance, and howyou know you have thirty days to respond
to this, you've got twenty fourdays to respond to that, You've got
fifteen days to respond to this.And I'll never forget the instructor saying,
(35:44):
do you know why it is thatway? It says, because that's the
date they picked. They just madeit up, said, you know what
they usually do. Typically what happensis some senator or congressman's son gets caught
up, gets screwed over by something. They don't like that, so then
they go in and they create alegislation specifically to benefit them or someone that
(36:06):
they know. And you know whatthat's about, right, that's about right,
because I can't I can't think ofa law on the books at this
point in time that is specifically designedto benefit the general population, benefit the
(36:32):
masses, without giving any type ofkickback or any type of benefit financial,
otherwise, political power, whatever itis, to those in power, without
(36:54):
due process of law. How isit then that you have people who are
inside, like my friend who reachedout to me and sent me all of
the documentation that he's been trying toget anybody listened to talking about his case
where he's inside, and they justdecided, oh, hey, by the
way, I know you've only gota little bit of time left, but
(37:15):
we're gonna go ahead and we're goingto tweak that judge's judge's sentence because this
is how he should have done itin the first place. Sorry about that.
Now you've got more time on yoursentence. There you go, We
fixed it. Justice has been achieved. Go team. That doesn't seem like
due process of law to me.Again, due process of law according to
(37:37):
who, due process of law accordingto this system. I mean the same
people that have been caught time andtime again, lying, cheating, stealing,
fabricating evidence, lying on the stand, charging people with flat out no
(37:57):
evidence whatsoever due process of law.Nor shall private property be taken for public
use without just compensation. Now,maybe you've heard stories. Maybe it's happened
to you. I don't know.I hope to god it hasn't. It's
(38:19):
not too prevalent, but maybe you'veheard of it. If the police pull
you over and suspect you, justsuspect you of having committed a crime,
or being currently in the commission ofa crime, or just if they don't
like the way that you look,they can take all of your personal property
(38:45):
right then and there. They cantake all your money, they can take
your jewelry, mayn't even take theircar if they want, and you will
never get it back ever. Andthat has been uphold upheld in the courts.
(39:06):
They absolutely, according to the system, have the right to do that
just because they suspected you. Youdidn't even do anything. They don't even
have to charge you with anything afterthe fact. They could just say,
and he was suspicious, we tooka step, and the court will go,
okay, man, that sounds fair, and you can go. But
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I wasn't charged with anything, oreven if you were, I was found
completely innocent. The court goes,it doesn't matter. That's not how they've
decided to interpret that law. Now. You know, if you ever just
sit down and actually look at theConstitution and look at the laws that are
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written, it should start to jogyour memory and just really really get some
questions going, like what the hellis going on? Why is it worded
that way? What exactly does thatmean? You know. The funny thing
is Fourth Amendment even talks about searchand seizure, and that specifically talks about
(40:15):
the right of people to be securein their persons houses, papers effects against
unreasonable searching seizures shall not be violatedto warrants, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, or doing it allthe time. I mean just those
instances where I talk to you.If it's a traffic stop, if you
get pulled over for running a stopsign, to running a red light,
(40:35):
whatever it might be, speeding,and that officer just thinks this guy looks
a little funny. I'll bet he'scommitting a crime right now. They can
take all of your stuff. Idon't have to compensate you for it,
which is in direct violation of theFifth Amendment. You'll never get it back.
There's no warrant, there's no charge, there's no there's no justice,
(41:06):
direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.If you just sit down and read these
things and don't stop. Stop listeningto the media. Stop listening to the
politicians when they're talking, because theyare they are youwing whatever it is that
they're talking. How do you knowwhat politicians lying when their mouth is moving.
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Just stop listening to, stop listeningthe media, stop reading the newspaper,
mainstream media. Just stop and startto look these things up yourself.
Just start to read it. Ichallenge you, just google constitutional amendments and
read through all of them, justtwenty seven twenty. It won't take you
(41:51):
long. Realistically, it won't takeyou long. Some of them are not
that big of a deal, like, you know, the right to vote
at age eighteen, the presidential vote, just the two term limit on presidency,
things like that. It's those aren'tthat begin a deal. But still
if you go through and you readthem, it's an exercise for your mind,
(42:15):
because you've got to understand this ishow they play the game. This
is how they catch us. Weand when I say we, I'm talking
about just the general population. Wedon't operate the same way that these liars
and psychopaths do. We just wejust don't. And if you don't learn
(42:35):
to speak their language, you won'tknow when they're screwing you over until it's
too late. You know. It'sfunny. There was a it was a
city councilman and eventually went into Congressnamed we Tarry, And personally I never
(42:59):
liked the guy much. Just thestereotypical, sleazy looking, slick back hair.
Just man, you could just tellwhen he was smiling at you,
it was just an empty smile.And again this is all my opinion.
If for some weird reason, LeeTerry is listening, you're welcome to call
(43:20):
and convince me. Otherwise, Ijust never liked the guy never liked him.
However, I will say he atleast was honest when he was discussing
things like bills and the law.He called into a weekly talk show and
they would just ask him questions aboutwhat was going on in Congress, what's
(43:43):
going on, what's going on withthis? What laws are you looking at
now? How are you addressing this? And one of the points that he
made when they were asking about alaw I don't know, like gun rights,
I don't remember the specific they're talkingabout passing a bill for restrict gun
legislation, gun control, And hesaid, and I'm paraphrasing, he said,
(44:07):
one of the things you have tounderstand is that these bills have so
many added things in them that havenothing to do with that bill that a
lot of times when I'm voting ona bill, I'm not voting on the
bill itself. I'm voting on allof this other stuff. They call it
(44:30):
the pork. They're adding things totry to win votes. So, for
instance, if he was to cometo somebody and say, hey, I'm
trying to garner support to get thisgun control legislation post wells, other congressmen
may say, well, you knowwhat, I'll tell you what, I
need some extra money in my districtto take care of these roads. You
(44:52):
know, my people have really beenon me about that. If you can
sneak something in there to send afew million dollars over to me, I'll
send it over and they can takecare of these roads. Then I'll vote
for you. Things like that.So the interesting play here then is,
(45:13):
let's say that there's all kinds ofthings going on like that, and there's
twenty or thirty of them just builtin there, millions and billions of dollars
changing hands that have nothing to dowith the original legislation. And then you
get a congressman like Lee Terry wherehe would say I would vote no on
a bill, and then of coursein the paper the next day, Oh,
(45:35):
Congressman Lee Terry votes no on guncontrol, blah blah blah blah blah,
and they would rip him apart forit. He's like, no,
no, no, I'm not votingno on the gun control I'm voting no
on all of the rest of thecrap that's in that bill. And nobody
ever pays attention to that, maynever talk about it in the media.
The politicians aren't going to tell youabout it. You know where you find
it. Read the bill. Justjust read it, the new TikTok bill
(46:00):
that they're talking about. Read it. I haven't read it yet. I've
talked to some people that have Itrust their opinion, but at the same
time trust but verified. I maytrust their opinion, but I need to
verify it for myself. Just starttake a look at the amendments. Start
(46:27):
there. If you don't catch somethingwhere you go, wait, what does
that mean? Or well, holdon a second, that doesn't seem right.
We shouldn't be doing X, YZ if we were following this amendment.
Then if you don't catch something likethat, then you know what.
Maybe I'm wrong, and I apologize. I doubt that I am, and
(46:52):
I really don't think I'm going tohave to apologize because it's all right there
in front of you. They don'ttry to hide this stuff. They don't
so get involved. Read this stuff. I know it's boring. I know,
oh it makes my head hurt,makes my head hurt. And they
(47:14):
do that specifically. They write itthat way because they know, especially in
our culture nowadays, with our shortattention spans, that you're not going to
take the time to read through allof it, Prove them wrong, prove
them wrong, learn their language.So the next time that you're around and
(47:39):
somebody starts spouting their mouth about somethingthey obviously have no idea what they're talking
about, you can have a legitimateconversation with them and challenge them, Challenge
them on their beliefs, stand byyours, and start to make that change.
I hope you've found in today's show. I certainly would appreciate any feedback.
(48:05):
I'd love hearing from everybody so far. I'd love to hear from everybody
else. If you haven't reached out, thank you for tuning in. I
will speak of y'all next week,and as always, remember keep your head
up, don't let them get you. It may be easy to look at
all the corruption and manipulation in thesystem and feel hopeless. Here at surviving
(48:28):
the system. We hold to thebelief that greatness is born in the midst
of extraordinary struggles. You were createdwith a purpose, with infinite potential,
and many have lost sight of thatback We're here to remind you of who
you are. The best revenge,the success
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