What does biblical submission really look like—and is it anything like what we were taught?
In this follow-up episode, we dig deeper into how Scripture consistently flips human power structures on their heads. From Deborah and Jael to Mary and the Samaritan woman, we explore how God calls and equips people others overlook—including women, outcasts, and even children.
We talk honestly about servant leadership, mutual surrender in marriage, and why submission used as control is no longer Christlike—it’s oppression. Nicole shares part of her journey in accepting a call to preach while navigating old ideas about home leadership, and Jason reminds us that Jesus isn’t looking for the strongest—He’s looking for the most surrendered.
Whether you’re wrestling with gender roles, marriage dynamics, or ministry leadership, this conversation invites you to lay down fear and control and pick up love, equality, and mutual grace.
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