Dr. Hussey's Shocking Story Leaves Doctors Baffled

In this powerful episode of The Rewilded Human Podcast, Dr. Lucille and Dr. Lynn interview Dr. Stephen Hussey, a chiropractor and functional medicine expert who defied conventional cardiology. After surviving a massive heart attack at age 34—despite normal test results and a healthy lifestyle—Dr. Hussey took matters into his own hands.He healed his heart and reversed severe arterial plaque without medications, using natural tools like:- Grounding- Circadian rhythm alignment- Infrared sauna- Sunlight exposure- Quantum biology principlesDoctors said it was impossible. Tests proved otherwise.🫀 Learn why he believes the heart is not a pump, why traditional heart disease theories fall short, and how ancient principles of light, magnetism, and hydration may hold the real key to heart health.📌 This episode is a must-watch for anyone questioning mainstream advice on cholesterol, statins, and cardiovascular care.🔔 Subscribe for more insights on holistic healing, mental health, and the science of living vibrantly.You can find Dr. Hussey at @drstephenhusseyhttps://www.instagram.com/drstephenhussey?igsh=OWt1bGt5ZGlhMmpx Work with Dr. Hussey: https://resourceyourhealth.com

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to the Rewilded Human podcast, where Doctor Lucille,
holistic psychiatrist and psychotherapist, and Doctor
Lynn, Naturopath and Nutritionalconsultant help you reconnect
with your true self through practical tips on mental health,
nutrition, exercise, relationships, and spirituality.
With a dash of humor, they tackle today's toughest issues
to guide you back to a harmonious, vibrant life.

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Rediscover your natural self, just as nature intended.
So we all know that heart disease is one of the number one
issues in our world. We also know that there are
certain things about the heart that are universally true,
right? Like, oh, it's a pump.
And certain conditions predispose us to getting heart

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disease, like high blood pressure and diabetes and all
those awful cholesterols. And we know that, you know,
there's certain dietary things that we must do and there are
certain blood tests that we needto determine whether we're
sitting duck for heart disease. And on it goes, right?

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We all know this. Well, what if it really wasn't
true? So today on the Rewilded Human
podcast, Doctor Lynn and I had the thrill of interviewing
Doctor Stephen Hussey, who's a chiropractor and an all around
expert on the latest, greatest research about the truth about

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heart disease and heart health. He comes by his wisdom very
honestly because as a child he had a number of chronic
conditions that he was told would predispose him to having a
heart attack in the future. So he started researching
everything about the heart. He was curious, he wanted to
learn everything. In his learnings, he found ways

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to actually heal himself of a lot of the pre-existing
conditions he had that actually put him at risk for a heart
attack. However, when he was 34 he had a
massive heart attack and nobody could really explain why.
But again, he went to work researching and figuring it out,

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and he was able to reverse all the signs of damage to his heart
and he is now in optimal health.How did he do it?
Well, in this episode, you're going to learn things like the
heart is not really a pump. There are other amazing things
that the heart does that you canactually help your heart get

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stronger and to live longer by applying certain basic quantum
biology principles like circadian reset, proper use of
hydration, use of red light therapy, magnetism or grounding.
All of which Doctor Hussey used on himself and went against with

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a common medical advice and ended up in peak physical
condition. So sit back, relax, and enjoy
this fascinating journey into the truth about our hearts.
Doctor Hussey, welcome to our podcast.
Thank you so much for being here.
Doctor Lucille and I are huge fans.

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We have listened to probably every single episode where
you've been, every podcast you've been on, every episode
you've been on, and we can't wait to pick your brain.
But first of all, let's start with your story because you have
an amazing story. What happened to it when you
were 34 years old? Can we start there at the very
beginning? Sure.
Yeah, Yeah. So I mean, my traditional, I

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guess, training or background, like what I do is I'm a
chiropractor and I also have a master's in functional medicine.
I like to say that those degreesdidn't really teach me anything
like what I know now. They just kind of gave me a
baseline education of what we think we know about stuff.
But yeah, you know, I was alwaysinterested in health because my
my childhood was kind of full of, you know, chronic illnesses.

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Unfortunately, it wasn't like I was just like this terribly sick
kid, but I just had these ailments.
You know, I had lots of inflammatory type things used to
break out in hives all over my body.
I had asthma, I had terrible allergies, had IBS, and
ultimately ended up with type 1 diabetes at the age of 9.
And so my entire childhood and young adulthood at the doctor's

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office, at the endocrinologist office, I was always told that
that heavily predisposed me to heart disease being type 1.
And I realize that's why. And they say, oh, it damages
small blood vessels and stuff like that.
So I guess I was kind of forced into being curious about heart
disease. And as I grew up, I decided I
wanted to go into some form of medicine.

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But in college, I started livingmy life differently and, and
noticed the way that I changed my life, my lifestyle had a
direct impact on my ability to manage these conditions or get
rid of them. I got rid of most of them aside
from type 1 diabetes. And I thought it was interesting
that no doctor told me that I could do that.
So that kind of got my wheels turning as far as like I started
very, you know, influential girlfriend at the time who was

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also pushing me that direction as well.
Like, hey, you know, medicine's not really helping you, that
kind of thing from a chronic disease perspective.
So I started going down that path and decided to be
chiropractor and all that stuff,but always, you know, had an
interest in the heart and heart disease and so tried to learn as
much as I could. And I, you know, looked at a lot
of different things and a lot ofdifferent things that were

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different than what Western medicine and even my education
as a chiropractor was telling meabout the Physiology and the
pathology of the heart. And so I just kind of, you know,
looked for stuff when I can findit and was feeling pretty good
and feeling healthy. I'd always try and control
things through diet and exercise.
And that had kept me pretty healthy for most of my life.

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And then, yeah, at the age of 34, totally unexpected.
You know, heart testing was normal.
CAC was normal six months prior to this.
And then I had a Widowmaker heart attack on January 5th,
2021, totally out of the blue. There's lots of lots of details
about that story and what happened and why I think it

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happened and everything. But just for the sake of
brevity, like, you know, in the hospital, I got what I would
call very bad advice based on previous knowledge that I knew,
but also just logic in my opinion, just very bad advice
about, you know, I was at the I was at their mercy.
I was like, hey, So what happened?
Like tell me what happened. And they're like the broken

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record answer I got was your cholesterol is high or
cholesterol causes this or whatever.
There was no, there's nothing else.
And the worst part about all of it was that when I would try and
ask questions and inquire about things, not in an abrasive way
or anything, but just to ask questions, ask their opinion, it
was like a shutdown of conversation.
It was like, this is your option.
If you don't do this, you're going to have another heart

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attack. You're going to have heart
failure. Do this.
And I, you know, knew of other information and I didn't know as
much as I know now, not near as much as I know now, but I knew
enough to doubt that that that was going to really keep me
healthy. So I went home and I did my own
heart healing routine. And in three months I got an

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echocardiogram again. And the damage that happened to
my heart was gone, already healed.
And that likely would have improved some without doing what
I did. But they assumed it was the
medications and I wasn't taking any medications.
I decided not to. What you were doing in those?
Three, yeah. So I took a blood thinner for

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six months because there was a stent in there and that's
increases risk of clotting. So I took that for six months
until it incorporated itself into the artery wall.
But the main things that I changed, the only things that I
changed were I got a lot more sunlight, did a lot more
grounding. I set my circadian rhythm and I
bought infrared sauna. And so those are the things that

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I did mainly. I took a few supplements for
about a year after the heart attack, but then I stopped
taking them after that. So I took like taurine and I
took Wobbine or stuff. And this has got two names.
And I took Serapeptase and that's in magnesium and that's
pretty much it, but I don't takethose now.
Anyways, so my heart recovered. The ejection fraction returned

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to normal because it had droppedand the tissue of the heart had
healed and was conducting the signal of a heart contraction
normally again after three months.
And then right about that time, I started exercising more again,
getting back into my exercise routine.
And I noticed that my pain, there was pain in my lower right
leg from the knee down. And so at first I couldn't

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figure out what it was, but every time I would exercise,
even walk fast at the airport, Icouldn't.
It was just pain in my leg to the point where like it would
never stop me, but it was, it was uncomfortable.
And so eventually I got around, maybe it was six months after
the heart attack now, I had an ultrasound done and I had
developed plaque in my femoral artery in my thigh that was
restricting blood flow to my lower leg.

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And I don't, the only thing I can think that caused that was
the intervention they did for the heart attack because they
went into the femoral artery on that side because the morning I
had the heart attack, I did a Sprint workout and my leg was
just fine. Like there was no pain in my leg
or anything. And then on the side that they
did it. And I also found some evidence
that the device they used to seal the artery after they do

(09:21):
that can cause changes and down the leg peripherally.
So that's that's what I think itwas.
Anyways, I developed this 75 to 99% blockage of plaque in my
femoral artery and it was restricting blood flow.
But the vascular surgeon at the time said, well, let's not do
anything because we start messing with them.
They get worse. And right now it's just, it's
not allowing you to do some things you like, but you can do

(09:42):
your daily activities, it's justfine.
And I said, OK, so I kept doing my thing.
I kept doing that healing routine, except I kind of
intensified it at this point. I started really prioritizing
those things I've listed before and making them like an everyday
thing. And a year later, I went back
and the plaque was only 50% blocking the artery.
And they didn't believe it. Actually, they did the test

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twice because they were like, wedon't see this happen.
Literally the, the vascular surgeon's words, like we can't
say it's better because we don'tsee these things get better.
And I said, well, you just did the test twice and it showed the
same thing like that it's improved.
And so then I kept doing everything that I was doing.
And a year later I came back andmy artery was normal and my
legs. So.

(10:24):
And then a year after that, I came back for a follow up and it
was still normal. So I reversed plaque in my leg,
which they told me was impossible.
And if you look at the literature like peripheral
artery disease, which is what that is, is usually type 1
diabetics have a worse outcome with that than type 2 diabetics
even, which is interesting to me.
I don't know why that is exactly, but that's what the
literature shows. And, and I reversed it

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completely. And so the vascular surgeon was
like, well, I guess you don't have to come back.
And I was just like, well, why don't you ask me like what I
did? And then maybe we could figure
out why this happened. You could help other people do
that, you know, but there was nocuriosity or anything.
So, so anyways, then like just this last February, I got
imaging of my heart arteries. I got ACT angiogram.
Then I, I did an analysis through clearly and my arteries

(11:08):
are, are clean. There's a very small amount of
plaque in my right coronary artery that was there at the
time of the heart attack. So that hasn't progressed.
And the rest of my arteries are clean.
The stent is open, there's no plaque anywhere.
What I'm doing is working and I'll say that I did this with,
with LDL levels well above what they think is normal or what
they say it should be. I did I, I reversed this.

(11:31):
Now it was high before I had theheart attack.
It was ALSD like your LDL was high.
That's, that's what caused your heart attack.
Like, well, I also completely reversed plaque and have
completely clean arteries with these levels, sometimes 3 or
400, my LDL levels, not total cholesterol, LDL because I know
why that is, which we can talk about if you want to.
But but yeah, so it's just my story is just an end of 1, you

(11:54):
know, you know, anecdote. But it shows that the many parts
of my story show that the conventional thinking about
heart disease don't quite match up.
And they fly. I can't tell you how many people
on social media, like doctors have said this is impossible,
You haven't done this. And I say, I posted my results
there. I posted them On this date.
And I go and I don't hear from them again, you know, so I, it's

(12:18):
just this thinking in medicine that this isn't possible.
I'm like, well, what if it is? What if you're just doing the
wrong things? What if you're just been taught
that it's not possible? So it's a, it's a story I'm
trying to share to, to so peoplecan make better informed health
decisions. I love your story.
Can I just clarify something? Are you still a diabetic?

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Yeah, I'm still type 1 diabetic and I think, I mean, there are
people that tell me I could reverse it.
Yeah, I, I don't know, unless they come up with some stem cell
therapy or I do something to in like induce stem cell production
substantially and stop the process of killing beta cells in
my body and then it slowly recovers.
I don't know. There's so many different types

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of type 1 diabetes nowadays. It used to be just kind of one
that we mainly saw, which is juvenile diagnosed at a young
age. But now there's one people
getting getting as an adult likeLada.
There's like various types of Modi and every type one I've
ever worked with. We're all different.
Like how we control it is totally different.
The amounts of insulin we used with diet, we eat like we find

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what works for us, and there aremuch better ways than what
medicine says to do it. But we're all a little different
as far as how much control we can get and the mechanisms we
use to control it. It's interesting.
And Doctor Hassi, looking back at what happened to you, what
would you say caused the heart attack?
So is it OK if it's a long answer of?

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Course we have, absolutely. So from my perspective, based on
everything I've looked at, there's two main mechanisms of
heart attacks and neither one ofthem are the ones that medicine
tells you it is. Medicine will tell us that
plaque will either slowly grow and create this stenosis or
narrowing of an artery and eventually close it up enough to
create lack of blood flow, whichis angina.

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That's why they do a stress testto see if they can push the
enough blood through there and if it if they can't, you'll get
symptoms, which I don't think iswhat's causing the symptoms.
Or they'll say some of that plaque is soft plaque and it's
unstable and a rupture and that'll cause a clotting
response and it'll block the artery instantaneously.
And I don't think either of those these things is true.
And I, I say that based on the work of Giorgio Beraldi, who was

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a scientist who studied the coronary arteries his entire
career. And from my, as far as I know,
because I've, I've met a lot of cardiologists and I always ask
them if they know who he is and nobody knows who he is, which is
crazy to me. He's written books, he's written
papers. But anyways, his work showed
that that the any time an arterygets to about 60 or 70% narrow

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to the body, builds collaterals around it, like collateral
circulation builds other arteries.
And cardiologists know about collateral circulation.
They see it all the time. But but his work showed that it
happens every single time. It's not just sometimes they
have it, sometimes they don't. Or an artery from a different or
yeah, a new artery from a different artery over here will
grow over and supply the area that's not getting it from this

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artery. It's not just arteries that go
around the blockage. So anyways, that happens all the
time. So that that information right
there tells us why. If you look at the research on
elective stent placements, so they're placing stents when
there's no heart attack happening to prevent a heart
attack. If they're placing the stent or
bypass surgeries, they don't prevent heart attacks like you

(15:27):
do. Those procedures, whether or not
you have them or not, the literature is very clear.
Those procedures don't prevent future heart attacks because the
body's already figured that out,right?
It's always, it's already built the, the bypass itself.
And so building another bypass is not really going to help
anything. You, you're not addressing why
heart attacks happen. Same with stents.
If you open up the artery that'salready been bypassed by the

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body, it's not really going to help anything.
But sometimes those procedures do relieve symptoms, which is
which is interesting. So that can be helpful for
somebody, but they don't preventfuture heart attacks.
So in that situation with learning that information, then
it tells us that what would happen that would cause a heart
attack would be an acute blockage, something that happens
instantaneously where there's not enough time for collaterals

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to form. And collaterals, I've found
literature in animal models thatcollaterals can form within four
to seven days and fully compensate the heart with blood
so very quickly. But if it happens
instantaneously, the, the collaterals can't form.
So that can block the artery acutely.
And we, we lack blood flow. So we should be looking at acute
thrombosis and not these gradualstenosis.

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We shouldn't be focusing on the lesion, the stenosis, and trying
to treat that. We should be promoting or
decreasing thrombosis, promotingrisk factors, which there's a
very good paper called The Myth of the Vulnerable Plaque that
again, I've yet to meet a cardiologist who's aware of this
paper, who's read it. I'm not saying that there's none
of them, but I haven't met one. And this article, because the

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other argument is that a plaque ruptures and that causes a heart
attack. But the, this article reviews
all the evidence for that theoryand, and basically concludes
that plaque ruptures happen all the time, but they don't cause
heart attacks. Like they're like a plaque can
rupture and that can lead to more plaque development stacking
up or on itself and more stenosis, but it doesn't create

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this clot. Their number was .06% of the
time. Does a plaque rupture cause a
heart attack? So very, very low amount of
time. So again, trying to treat the
stenosis with a stent or bypass to prevent a plaque rupture is
not going to help if that doesn't cause heart attacks.
So again, we should be focusing on preventing clotting.

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And that's exactly what the the authors of that Myth of the
Vulnerable Plaque study concluded that we should be
focusing on thrombosis, promoting risk factors, which
means we should be keeping the blood thin, we should be staying
hydrated, we should be keeping the blood moving.
And I think that the ways that we do that are very different
than what medicine should suggest.
So that's one mechanism of what could cause a heart attack.

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And it could have been what happened for me and we'll get
back to that, but I don't know, because there's a whole other
mechanism of heart attacks and which again, I don't think is
well understood by modern medicine, but it's been very
well described in, in, in different literature, including
my book and Doctor Burlesburg. Basically, we can get an

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imbalance stress signal to the heart.
And if we get this like the, theheart is supposed to have, like
the whole body really is supposed to have this balanced
nervous system signaling. So you have a stress signal and
a non stress signal. And people think we're in the
stress or non stress, but we're really, it's always both are
supposed to be activated at the same time, but one maybe more
than the other. And if we get an imbalance
signal to the heart. So if we get more of a stress

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signal to the heart without the like the lesser surge of the non
stress signal, we can get a change in Physiology.
So think about it like this. If you're walking your dog and
on a leash and your dog sees your neighbor and your dog wants
to attack your neighbor. And so it has a stress response,
It has this, this reaction and it goes for the neighbor.

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That's fine. It's a stress response.
But the leash is the non stress response that's holding it back
from becoming a catastrophic event, right?
Where the dog attacks your neighbor and you get sued.
So that's the same. It is in the heart.
We're supposed to, we can have astress signal like the dog
having a response, but if we have the leash, which is the non
stress response, it keeps everything in check.
And so that's how it's supposed to be.
However, that can get imbalancedand when that get imbalanced, if

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we have a surge and a stress response, then what that does,
it shifts the metabolism of the heart, which is the problem.
The heart really likes to burn fatty acids and and ketones.
And if it's forced to burn more glucose, then it creates a
situation where we get lactic acid buildup and hydrogen ion
buildup, which is the same thingthat happens if you go for a run
and your muscle starts to burn. That's what angina is.

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If we feel burned in our chest, it's because our hearts burning
more glucose than minester. And that can happen from oxygen
restriction if we get lack of blood flow to an area.
But it also happens from this imbalance, stress response
signaling. And when that happens, that burn
can become too intense. If we get too much of A stress
signal, it doesn't stop. And that build up of hydrogen

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ions and lactic acid creates a swelling in the heart tissue, in
an area of the heart tissue. And that swelling increases the
pressure out. And now blood can't get in
because the pressure is greater coming out.
And so when blood can't get in, we get tissue death.
And, and Beraldi's work, he did fascinating work where he looked
at people who had heart attacks and when he did the autopsy, the
area of tissue death was completely different than the

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area where the blockage was because something else killed
that tissue. And then he theorized that it
was this mechanism here. So I don't know what it was for
me, because when they went in there, they found a blockage.
They found 100% blockage of the LAD, but I have no idea if that
was there before the heart attack or not.
It could have been and my body could have built collaterals
around it and it would have beena non issue.

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I mean that happens all the timein cardiology.
They go in, they do a heart Cathand they find people with 8090 a
100% blockages and they have no heart symptoms whatsoever
because there's collaterals. So that could have been there
and it could have been this other mechanism of a stress
response. Then when they place the stent,
like they placed a stent and they gave me morphine around the
same time. So I don't know if the morphine

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just made me feel better and notfeel the pain or if they placed
the stent open up the blood flowand then the symptoms went away.
Or if the morphine calm the stress response that was
happening causing tissue death. I I don't know.
But regardless of which one it was, the answers to preventing
it from happening again are the same.
The things that create blood flow and prevent clotting are
the same things that balance theautonomic nervous system

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signaling to the body and createcoherence in the body.
So I'm just going to do those things.
Four of those things I already mentioned about what I did,
those are the four main things that I did.
Yeah, there's, there's nuance here.
I'll probably never know exact the exact mechanism, just like I
don't think anybody knows the exact mechanism of who had a
heart attack or when you have a heart attack unless you can do
an autopsy later. But there are there's nuance to

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this that medicine doesn't understand.
And if you don't understand those mechanisms, how are you
supposed to prevent it? You're basically just waiting
for it to happen and then you prevent it from someone from
dying. Hopefully you do.
And then you're just like, all right, and then here's the
recipe, here's the cook. You got a recipe of medications
and things. That was exactly what I got in
the hospital. And that is not going to prevent

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a future heart attack. It's just going to allow the
processes that caused it in the first place to perpetuate and
you're just kind of masking the symptoms.
It's not a direct answer to whatcaused mine, but but that's the
thing. So, and that's the thing too, is
that prior to the heart attack, which support piece of
information I learned, I got some very stressful news about a
close family member of mine a day and a half before I had the

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heart attack. And it wasn't just the news, it
was the inability of me and my family to do anything about it.
We were just sitting around waiting, hoping this person was
going to be OK. They were in a different
country. We couldn't get to them.
It was during COVID, so we couldn't go anywhere easily.
So we're just waiting around. And then I was, I spent the
whole next day trying to figure out if I could get to this

(22:50):
person. And then I woke up the next
morning, Tuesday morning, and unwisely did a very intense
workout, which is a stress response inducing thing, which
is the workout that I did. And my leg was fine.
So I know it wasn't, you know, blocked before then.
And then, yeah, 20 minutes laterI had a heart attack.
So I, I think that the stress, Icould, I could make a case for

(23:13):
the stress response part of it. I could make a case for the
blockage part, because they found one there and it which
could have been acute blockage, could have been something that's
been there forever or not forever, but for a long time.
But yeah, I don't know. Doctor Hussey, let's talk about
the four things that you mentioned that you did that was
helping you afterwards. So it was grounding, regular sun
exposure, infrared sauna and thesupplements, correct?

(23:36):
Circadian Rhythm. The circadian rhythm.
OK, now how did you find this? Like how did you know that this
was going to be the solution? Well, so like I said, I'd always
been like strict about diet and exercise.
That was kind of how I controlled health.
And so when this happened, I waslike, OK, there's got to be
something more because I was doing those things to the best

(23:57):
of my ability. So I started looking.
Now in the hospital, they were just, I like to say that much of
what medicine does intentionallyor unintentionally, I don't
know, is fear based medicine. You know, what they do is they
say, if you don't do this, you're going to get this.
You know, that's this ultimatum,this fear.
And that's how they scare peopleinto doing what they're doing,

(24:17):
what they want them to do. And so in the hospital, they
were like, you're going to develop heart failure, you have
tissue damage in the septum of your heart.
And I did fairly significant. It wasn't a large portion of the
heart, but it was fairly significant damage in one
portion of the heart. So they're like you're heavily
predisposed to heart failure. And at that point, I was very
well aware of the research that infrared sauna is great for

(24:38):
heart failure. And I understand that now why?
But so that's what I was like. That's why I originally started
doing it was because I don't want, I was like, I don't want
heart failure. So I got a sauna and then I was
like, and the sun is also infrared light, so I want
sunlight too. That seems more natural.
So I started doing those things because of that reason.
And it wasn't until later that Ifigured out this whole
connection between, I mean, I was aware of structured water at

(25:01):
the time too, but now I have this complete understanding of
atherosclerosis and structural water in infrared light and how
it's vital to our artery health.And so over time, that's what I
got to was that. And then I realized that
grounding was pretty much the same thing because grounding is
going to create charge the body,which we can, I can explain all

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this too, but like I just kind of slowly got and then it just
made sense to me because I'm always somebody just like, I'm
not just going to do what the literature says because I
understand the shortcomings of, of research and it's human
design and human, you know, performed and everything.
So there's, there's flaws in it and there's no, I don't think
the answer is ever going to comefrom research.
But the more Mark started learning about the things that

(25:42):
were helping, I realized, well, this is just the natural
environment of humans and all life on Earth.
We're supposed to be outside in infrared light all day long,
just like the rest of all life on the planet is.
It's outside in infrared light all day long and it's in contact
with the Earth all day long. And humans have invented a way
of life that deprives us of, deprives us of those things.

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We live indoors. And the surveys suggest that 93%
of the time humans are either inside or in an enclosed
vehicle, the average human today.
So like, there's got to be something there.
We've had this stimulus forever and now we don't.
So I started putting things together like that.
And when you start looking into the literature too, there's
actually literature that suggests that this is like that

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we should know this. We should know this by now.
And it makes logical sense. It makes sense historically for
humans, environment. And so I just kept going down
that rabbit hole. And then circadian rhythm is
like if you look at the effects of melatonin, which you
optimize, when you optimize yourcircadian rhythm and the effects
of melatonin on the artery and the healing of the artery and
the promoting of optimal sleep and healing when you sleep.

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It's just like, oh, that's huge,you know, because I knew that
that blue light was disrupting circadian rhythm, but I didn't
understand it to this level, especially to cardiovascular
health. So as I said, circadian rhythm.
Now I'm allowing my body to healat night and many other things.
But yeah, so that kind of combination of things, because
the damage is going to happen. You can't heal at night when you

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sleep. Then it just accumulates,
accumulates. It's like, I tell people, it's
like you never took the trash out in your house.
You know, eventually you can't live in your house anymore,
like, because there's just so much trash in there and it
smells horrible. So if you never clean out your
house, your body's house, or youheal and repair and detox and
stuff like that at night, then it just builds up over time.
And one day we wake up and we'relike, oh, I got a disease.

(27:32):
Like what happened? So it's like you put put this
all together without really knowing about the whole field of
quantum biology, like you sort of stumbled into it on your own
as you were doing your research.Is that how?
You. Yeah.
I was just chasing threads, you know.
Amazing. Yeah.
And I like I've, I've always been that way.
I'm curious and like, no, I had a really good, like my first

(27:55):
chiropractic job out of school was in Ireland and I had a, a
really good mentor, I should say.
The guy that I worked with there, he was just like just
handing me these books all the time.
And it's so it just like it broke down any filter I had.
I'll just read whatever he gave me.
And at times, I'll go, this is nuts.
But then now I realize maybe it wasn't nuts.
It was just, it was just beyond anything I can comprehend at

(28:18):
that point. So I go back and read it.
So it's just, I've always been that way.
I just soak in the information regardless of what people think
it should say or shouldn't say or how crazy it seemed at the
time, because I learned something else down the road.
And I'm like, oh, that wasn't socrazy.
It makes sense now. And so, yeah, I don't pigeonhole
myself. I'll just read anything or get
information. And doesn't mean I believe

(28:38):
everything that I read. It just means that I get a lot
of different perspectives. And you're very good at
connecting the dots, you know, finding pieces of the puzzle and
putting it all together. Yeah, people tell me that and
I'm just like, oh, cool, you know?
No, that's very. Cool.
The first podcast that I heard from you was with Meredith Och
from the Quantum Biology Collective.

(28:59):
And you were talking about the heart not being a pump, the
hump, the heart's not pumping the blood.
And when you started talking about, you know, the heart being
a vortex and all of that stuff, like my mind was literally
blown. I think I had to go back and
listen to that like 10 times over again.
I'm like, what? Like what is going on?
But the way you describe it, it makes so much, so much sense.

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And I can never look at our heart or our circulatory system
the same way again. So tell us please a little bit
more about this. The heart is not pumping the
blood, correct? Correct.
Yeah. So this idea came from William
Harvey back in the 1600s. He was a very prominent
physician in England. He was like the King's personal
physician. But he was the first one to

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describe the the circulatory system.
And he kind of figured out, OK, we have these arteries that that
bring the blood to the tissues and we have the veins that bring
it back to the heart. And this is the circulatory
system. And the, and then they, they
know that the heart is beating, it's contracting.
So they assume, Oh yeah, it mustbe pumping the blood, so to
speak. But after that, there were many

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scientists throughout the 1800s and into the 1900s that were
like, this is impossible. There's no way a heart this size
could pump, could enough force of fluid to get throughout the
entire body. There's just no way.
And one scientist, like we wouldneed a heart the size of a whale
to, to even create a slow movement of blood.

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So there must be other mechanisms by which the blood
moves. And, and so, you know, in
school, you know, we learned stuff like, Oh yeah, the, the
contraction of muscles moves theblood and, and the one way
valves and the veins, they keep it from getting this back flow.
So it keeps the blood moving in the right direction.
If you look at like the place where there's like the swamp
between the arteries and the veins, like in the capillaries

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where it's just like the fluid just kind of going into the
tissues, like the blood actuallystops there or the fluid
actually stops. So like, how's it get moving
again? You know, and if we just think
about it logically, like if I was going to create get a
pressure propulsion pump, which is a pump that sucks in fluid
from somewhere else and forcefully pumps it out
somewhere else. If I was going to pump water up

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a hill, I would put I wouldn't put the pump at the top of the
hill and let the water go down the hill and then try and pump
it back up, right. I would put it at the bottom of
the hill and pump it up the hill.
And so when we have blood in ourtoes, like it makes no sense at
the pump that gets the fluid from our toes back up to our
heart is is here, not down there.
So that doesn't make sense. But again, there was there was

(31:28):
lots of different scientists. One of them, this guy, he was
Dutch. His name is Leon.
I don't know how to say his lastname.
I'm going to try to. But he did like his whole
career, he kind of did these experiments that showed that it
was impossible to maintain perfusion pressure.
If you if you got a pressure propulsion pump and you like did

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a created a system like a artificial system of what the
vascular system looks like. It's with a pressure propulsion
pump, it's impossible to create the keep the pressure.
This other guy, this German guy named Weber did the same thing
or Weaver, I'm not sure how he said it.
He did the same thing. We built like this artificial
system and he couldn't with a pressure propulsion pump, make
it work like our cardiovascular system works.

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Yeah, there was lots of doubt, but that was just the main
thinking. It's kind of kept going, right?
There's also the blood also moves on its own because people
think, well, it's not a pump. And if you look at their
studies, like there's a study from 2011 I think where they
looked at the efficiency of the heart tissue as far as how much
energy it uses basis how much based on how much work it does
as far as moving fluid. And if they look at it as a

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pressure with pulsion pump, theysay it's about 10 or 15 to 30%
efficient, which is not very efficient, whether they believe
we are designed or created, likethat's not an efficient way for
to evolve or create something. And so we must be looking at it
the wrong way. And I think that we are.
And so there are other mechanisms by which blood moves
and that is structured water in the arteries.

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So this has been proven in the lab of Doctor Gerald Pollock
that blood can move without a contracting heart because of
these mechanisms of what's called structured water, which
is a gel like form of water, that most of our water in our
body is supposed to be in this gel like state, which is why I
feel like a gel like it took me.It bounces back, you know, and
but there is liquid water in thebody too, including in the

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blood. And some of this water next to
the artery wall can form structured water.
And when structured water forms without getting into like the
details of how it forms and everything, it creates an energy
gradient that does the work of moving fluid.
And so they, they've done this over and over again in Doctor
Pollack's lab. They even stopped the heart of a
chicken embryo and they were able to keep the blood moving.

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But experiments like that were done in the 40s and in the 60s
where they stopped the heart of a dog and the blood kept moving
for up to two hours without the contracting heart.
And they did various experiments.
So they thought, oh, maybe it was the ventilation in the lungs
we were doing, or maybe it was this, or maybe it was that.
But they kept doing it and it, it still kept moving for about

(33:55):
two hours. So the blood moves out of ways
and it's the structured water that moves it.
And so when you when you start to learn that, OK, it's
impossible for it to act like a pressure propulsion pump, but
the blood is moving on its own to an extent, then it sounds
more like hydraulic ram, which is something people don't know.
The hydraulic ram is you can go YouTube it.
I had to YouTube, I didn't know what it was.

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And it's just a it's a type of pump, quote UN quote, that is
flow activated. So things have to be flowing
into it for it to activate. And so our hearts a little bit
different than that because it'snot flow activated, like the
contraction is not activated by flow.
The contraction is an electricalsignal from the brain, but the
flow is happening regardless of if the heart is contracting or

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not. And so they've actually done
studies where they, they artificially increase the heart
rate, but the flow rate of the cardiac output stays the same
because the flow coming through is what's is dictated by
something else, not how fast theheart is contracting.
So if you think if it's a pressure impulsion pump, the
more it's contracting, the faster it's contracting, the
more blood would flow through. And that's not, that's not the
case. Matter of fact, they've done

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studies where they show that if the, if the blood flow
increases, the heart rate increases to keep up with the
flow, not to create the flow. So, and that's the same like if
you go, if you go sit in the sun, which gets you infrared
light, which builds structured water in your body, which
creates blood flow, your heart rate will increase a little bit
and you're just sitting there, you're not doing anything, but

(35:24):
it will and it's light, but it will, it will increase because
it's trying to keep up with the flow that's being created, the
heart. So people, people will say,
well, if it's not a pressure propulsion pump, why is the
heart there? And the reason that it's there
is because it's a vortex. The heart is a vortexing
hydraulic ram. So it's pumping mechanism or
its, its mechanism is a hydraulic ram, which is very

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different than a pressure propulsion pump.
But it's, it's also one of its other uses or one of its other
like descriptors is a vortex. Because if you look at this guy
named Francisco Torrent Klassp, he, he discovered that the heart
is actually one big band of muscle that's wrapped up on
itself. So it's kind of spiral.
So like when you, when you realize that the conduction
signal for the heart sends like comes down to the heart and then

(36:09):
it goes through the muscle linearly.
If the, if that linear muscles wrapped up on itself, it goes
like this, like that signal. So it contracts like this, it
spirals, so it's spinning. And so that's one way.
Like when the contraction happens in the in the blood,
it's kind of, it is pushed a little bit by that contraction
out of the ventricle, but it's not what's responsible for the
blood flow out once it gets out of the heart.

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But with that contraction, when it spins it, it vortexes it,
which is important because water, if we want it to become
structured water running, it's next to the line of the arteries
needs to be energized. It needs to be coherent.
And one of the ways you create coherence in water is to vortex
it. And that makes sense because
that's what nature's doing to water.
Water is always flowing over rocks and rivers.
It's crashing on the beach, it'sin tidal currents, it's

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evaporating and precipitating like it's being switched around.
And so if you take fluid out of nature and you put it in a
living thing and you put it in laminar tubes, it's not getting
switched around. So we need a mechanism to do
that. And that's what the heart is.
It's this thing to keep blood cohere, the water in the blood
coherent so that it can move once it gets into the, the

(37:13):
periphery. So in a way you can say the
heart is responsible for the movement of blood, just not in
the way we thought. So it's this vortex.
So the other thing is there's many other ways that the heart
get the blood gets vortex as it's going through the heart.
Like when it flows into the chambers of the heart, it flows
in like, like you ever seen thatsame way you drop 1/4 in and it
goes around like this. That's kind of how the blood
flows into the heart. It goes around like that.

(37:34):
So it vortexes, but also when itmoves through a, a heart valve
on either side of eddies on either side.
And they've shown this like vortex dynamics as the blood
flows into the heart chambers and that they've actually shown
that optimal vortex formation ofblood flow into the heart can
dictate heart function, how wellheart is functioning.
So like when you have heart failure and the chambers expand

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and they're not in this like American football shape thing,
they're in more of this Americanbasketball type thing, then you
know, that's that's it's not vortexing as well.
So that's one, I think role of the hardest of vortex blood.
The second role is to actually stop the flow of blood during
times of exertion. Because if we go for a run, the

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the tissue demand for oxygen andnutrients is so great that all
the blood would flow over to thearterial side because of that
demand and we wouldn't maintain pressure in the venous side of a
collapse and we'd die. But we have a heart in there and
the heart's actually stopping the flow of blood during like
times of exertion so that the maintain the professor, the
pressure between the two sides. And they've shown that too, like

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endurance athletes. Like the reason that they're the
endurance athletes, hearts get like hypertrophied a little bit
and the muscles so strong is because it's more effective at
stopping the flow of blood because they're always exerting
themselves, it seems. And that's why it gets bigger.
It's not because it's pumping the blood more because it
doesn't do that. It's stopping the flow, but like
the catcher's minute is bigger, you know, So that's another role

(39:00):
of the heart. And the third role of the heart
is that it it measures what's called coherence because the
heart gives off the biggest electromagnetic field of any
organ in the body. I thought that I can never
really explain why that was for a while because the
electromagnetic field of an organ is given to it or it's
provided by the mitochondria. And so your mitochondria create
that electromagnetic field. And if you have high

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concentrations of mitochondria and organ, then you're going to
get a bigger electromagnetic field.
But the brain, the heart and theeyes have generally about the
same amount of mitochondria. And the brain's a little bit
bigger than the heart in most people.
It depends on the person. But, but, but so why is the
heart so much bigger? I always, I always thought that
to myself. And then I came across the
answer. I read this book by Carl Moore.

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It's because the heart is vortexing.
And we have plenty of evidence that shows that when you, when
you create a vortex or a spiral or you twist, get something in
an electromagnetic field, it amplifies the field
significantly. So that's what's happening.
So the eyes aren't doing that, plus the eyes are just smaller.
But the brain's not vortexing, it's not spinning.

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But I've also seen evidence thata, an electromagnetic field
that's big will also create a torsional force.
So I don't know which one it is.Is it the electromagnetic field
creating the torsion or the torsion creating the field, or
they just coupled together and they're both relying on each
other? I don't know.
But that's why the heart selectromagnetic field is
bigger. And so that's important because

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that's kind of our antenna. Like, you know, we, we know that
this thing, this thing sends outan electromagnetic field and
that can communicate to things around it, right?
And so that's an antenna. It's, it's searching for things
and that's our antenna. So it's how we reach out into
our environment and we, we senseother people and we sense
emotions and we sense other lifeand connect to the ether and, or

(40:42):
the plasma or whatever you want to call it, you know, and, but
it's also picking up or it's measuring our internal
communication and how coherent our body is from a cell to cell
communication perspective. And so that information is
sensory information. Our heart is reaching out to
environment and sensing our internal environment and picking
up the information it's receiving and getting a coherent

(41:05):
or incoherent signal. And then that signal is relayed
to the brain neurologically and electromagnetically.
And the brain is sending that signal back to the body and
through the nervous system. So that's where we get like
sympathetic and parasympathetic signaling based on what the
heart is receiving then that thebrain is receiving that.
And the brain is not changing anything.
The brain is not in control. It's just receiving information

(41:27):
and relaying that to the body. And so then that's related back
down to the body. So if you want to change your,
your autonomic balance, your sympathetic parasympathetic, you
want to change your environment,change your heart coherence by
by looking into your environmentand seeing what things are
influencing that, which could bemany things, but that's, that's
what the heart's doing for us, at least what I've discovered so

(41:49):
far. And it makes sense too.
Like if you look at all the ancient cultures, like they were
like the heart is the seed of the soul.
Like we are heart centered. We reach out, we, we lead a
heart, put our heart forth, you know, in the life and that kind
of thing. And then it wasn't until like it
really started, I guess, like ancient Rome, we started getting
like a more heady, I'd say like we started getting more

(42:09):
philosophical and logical and sciency and that kind of stuff.
And we started like living thesehead centered lives.
And I could, I could argue that a lot of the problems we have in
society today are because we're not living heart centered or
we're not like you get to the top these days because you're
logical, you're smart, you're sciency.
And that's putting people at thetop that aren't leading with
their heart and doing what's best for humanity.

(42:30):
You could, you could argue that they're they're doing what's
logical and both of those thingsare important, but we've kind of
lost the balance, I think. So I don't know how you are
talking about that, but yeah. So the way you're describing it,
it's like the heart. It it, it seems like the heart
is like the center or the means by which we get intuitions.

(42:51):
I would. Say so, Yeah, I but I'd also say
that there are other organs thatcan do that too, like the gut.
We have gut feelings about something.
We say things like that, you know, but we attach emotions
very specifically to the heart. Like I love you with all my
heart. My heart hurts, you know, that
that kind of stuff. We don't say my brain hurts

(43:13):
unless we're trying to think toohard or something, but we attach
the emotions with that. But then, yeah, I think.
But the thing with the gut is that we say that some things
about that with the gut, but theguts basically an external
environment inside our body, like the lumen of the gut is
because it's supposed to be sealed off.
And so again, that's a sensory organ.
It's it's sensing our external environment.

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So what you put in your mouth and what your encounters your
gut on the inside can give that signal as well, like the signal
of coherence or incoherence. But the heart gives off the
biggest electromagnetic field. So it's the one that's really
responsible for kind of sensing or monitoring all this stuff,
yeah. So that's the size of this

(43:54):
electric electromagnetic field around the heart.
Does it change depending on how healthy the heart is?
That I don't know. And I, I don't know that
anybody's looked at that, but I,I wish that they would.
And so like, I don't know if they have at the Heart Math
Institute looked at the electromagnetic field, the size
of the field based in someone with heart failure versus

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someone with a normal heart or someone with even just like
after they've had a heart attackor something, does the field
shrink? I don't know.
I would imagine that it would because if a vortex is what's
amplifying the field and you getheart failure and you get this
dilated cardiomyopathy where theheart is not vortexing as well,
it's kind of contracting like this.
Now, then I would suspect that it would, but I don't know.

(44:40):
I do know that heart rate variability in people with heart
failure and arrhythmias and things like that is
significantly lower, but I don'tknow about the field.
So yeah. So when you talk to
cardiologists about this stuff, how do they, what do they say?
How do they react to this information?
Are they open to it? Do people listen to you when
you're talking about these things, or are they just?

(45:02):
Well, I don't get to talk to that many.
Lots of them don't want to talk to me.
Really interesting. Yeah, they're, they're not
treated, but I have talked to many and there are, I have met a
lot of very cool ones. And I don't know that many of
them are, are into like a lot ofthem, like the more open minded
ones, they're into like the low carb space and, you know, LDL

(45:23):
doesn't cause heart disease and they're on board with that.
And they understand that the literature has been kind of
hijacked when it comes to that. But they're not so aware of like
these more energetic or quantum aspects of cardiovascular health
or structured water and those types of things.
But there are a few that I know that are like Thomas Cavill and
Michael Twyman and people like that.
But I, I don't know, mini car, Idon't know all of them.

(45:46):
So people ask me all the time, like do you have a
recommendation? I was like, no, I don't know.
I don't have like a list of cardiologists and in my head,
you know, I just come across a few and but they're, but they're
very like fill up of Adia. He's he read my whole book and
he was just like, yeah, I learned a ton.
And he's a cardiothoracic surgeon.
Yeah. So like he he in my book, he
learned why when they perfuse the heart, like when they like

(46:09):
when they do a heart surgery, they take the blood and they
reroute it while they work on the heart.
And he's like when they do that,the, the pulse goes away.
We never understood why that was.
He said it's because it's because when you do that, like
you're, you're using a pressure compulsion pump to perfuse the
blood around. And when you do that, you take
the pulse away because now there's no change in pressure.
You're just moving the blood through it.

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Whereas when you when the way the heart works, hydraulic ram,
it works on pressure build up. If you, if you go like YouTube
how a hydraulic ram works, it works when pressure builds up
and then when a valve opens, thepressure is released.
And when that pressure is released, you get this pulse
throughout the entire thing. And if you don't do that, So
the, the example I give in my books, people understand that is
like I used to study in this room in college and in the room,

(46:54):
there was windows on either sidewith blinds on them and there
was a door on either side. And like the like this door, the
both doors would be closed, but there would be pressure higher
outside the room. So someone would come into the
room and the pressure would go across and the blind on the
other side room would shake. You know, so it's that kind of
thing when, when the valves openin the heart, that pressure goes
and then it goes throughout the all the way down to my hand and

(47:15):
my feet. Like you can feel it all the way
down there. And so if you just, if you take
the blood away from that and youperfuse it around the heart, now
you're not getting those pressure changes.
You're just getting this pressure propulsion pump that's
trying to forcefully pump it around, which I don't know, but
I would imagine that the longer someone's in surgery, the the
issue they're going to have because like they can't maintain

(47:35):
that with a pressure propulsion pump, which is what those
scientists in the 1800s, they figured it out.
They tried to build models of our cardiovascular system with a
pressure propulsion pump and they couldn't do it.
It wouldn't work. So I imagine you can only keep
someone in that situation for a certain amount of time, not just
because of tissue death, but butbecause of maintaining blood
flow. So.

(47:55):
A lot, a lot of people are very concerned, especially when they
reach a certain age about, you know, their heart health.
And so, you know, they go to thedoctor and they get these lab
requisitions with these tests that are supposed to give them
some indicator of whether they've got a risk for heart
disease. So are any of those of any
value? Well, we know about cholesterol,

(48:17):
right? Right.
Cholesterol, yeah. So I don't think that knowing
what your LDL levels or your total cholesterol is or your
APOB or your smallness part, I don't think any of that is
really that helpful because those numbers don't determine
risk. And really no number on a blood
test determines your risk. Technically, you can look at
literature and you say, yes, if this, if this insulin is higher,

(48:37):
you're at higher risk. But like what really determines
your risk is what you do from that point on, like how you
change your environment from that point on that day.
Like because if I, if we had twopeople that had a fasting
insulin of 20, which is too high, and one of those people
just kept doing what they were doing.
They kept it at 20 and the otherperson completely changed your

(48:58):
life. Like they're completely
different risks, but at that moment in time, their levels are
still 20, right? And so it doesn't really
determine risk. So people like slave over their
blood work and they're like, Oh my gosh, I have to change these
numbers. But changing the numbers doesn't
always equal equal less risk. And if your fasting insulin goes
down, that's a good thing. If your inflammatory markers go
down, that's a good thing. But that's like if your

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inflammatory markers are normal,which mine were, what determined
my risk? Was it the inflammatory markers?
No. Was it the CAC score of 0, which
said very low risk? No, What determined my risk was
my environment. So I know people don't want to
hear that. They want to see these numbers
and they want to say, yes, look,I'm fine.
I don't have to do anything. But in reality, what really
tells you if you're fine or not is how you feel personally, but

(49:41):
also the environment you put your body in every single day.
And that's what I help teach people these days, because we're
very confused with what that environment is.
And we, there's many aspects of our modern way of life are, are
not compatible with our Physiology and creating this
risk that we seem to, to have beso prevalent for because we're

(50:01):
like the sickest people in the world in the western world.
So, but you know, so like peopleoften times a lot of people
anyways, like when I completely dismiss this lipid panel, but
you can't do that. It's relevant.
It's got to be relevant at some point.
I'm just like, no, I don't thinkit is at all like it tell like
as far as risk of disease, it's relevant if it wants to tell us
about metabolism. You know, if you're burning more

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fats versus more carbohydrates, your lipids could change if you
have some inflammation in the body because so you have damaged
particles or small dense particles or your triggers are
too high. Like it can give us a sense of
those things, but it's not really telling us risk.
What tells us risk is what we'redoing day in and day out and the
signals we're giving our body. Now people say, what about

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clotting markers? You talk about how clotting is,
is this big risk factor for heart disease and everything is
like, yeah, you can take a ESRA,prothrombin or a or whatever
platelets. You could take all these kinds
of things. But again, that's just one
snapshot in time of one tissue in your blood.
Like if as soon as, like as soonas you walk out of the lab, the

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lab with EMF and artificial light and no contact with the
earth, you walk out of the lab into the sunset, your markers
look completely different within5 minutes.
I'm sure you know, people say, well, my, my cholesterol is
this, my this marker is this. I say it was that at one point
in time. It's probably changed a million
times since you took that test and it's going to so if you want

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to keep those things normal, youchange your environment.
It's it's it's kind of like it'sfrustrating for some people
because they want the things to tell them that they're OK, but
it also it should be empowering because now you have complete
control over if it's going to beOK because you can control your
environment or most of us can toan extent.
So you can always change things.So that's, that's way different.

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You know, we kind of started this off with like fear based
medicine, you have to do this orthis is going to happen.
Whereas what I want to teach people is, hey, you can do this.
This is your game plan. This is your action plan for you
don't have to just take this medication and sit and wait and
hope that you you get better. You can actually do things to
help you get better, which is empowering and it gives you back
control. It takes away your fear and fear

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is just going to make the whole situation worse.
So that's, that's the path forward for medicine.
It should be anyways for me is that we've got to empower people
to let them know they can make changes and some of them won't.
But you got to tell them, you know, because if you start
making excuses before they make excuses, then they're never
going to change. People want an easy fix, they
just want a pill, they want to take that pill and they want to

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be OK. Like I think that's a lot easier
for most people than making actual lifestyle changes.
That's that's what I'm finding with a lot of people.
Doctor RC, do you find what is what is more important lifestyle
changes in general, like your environment, light, all of those
things or a diet? Because we've always been so
focused on diet and exercise that those are the two things

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for optimal health, for heart health, for everything, diet and
exercise. And then this new thing, this
new revolutionary world of quantum biology has entered our
lives. And now we are seeing that
there's this other part that is equally important or if not more
important, because I think that would be the foundation to
everything. So where, where would you start
if somebody came to see you? And I said, OK, I'm very

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concerned about my heart health.Where do we start?
Yeah, well, lots of my clients, like previously I've been doing
like one-on-one consulting, but I'm moving to more like program
group coaching coaching now. But previously with my clients,
I'd get to the end of the hour and they're like, you didn't say
anything about diet. I'm like, Oh yeah, you know,
because I don't think it's the most important thing.
It's obviously very important asfar as like, don't eat a

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processed food diet. Make sure your your food is free
of toxins and as as whole food as possible.
That is really, really important.
But those are those are like my only really general rules, like
stay away from grains, sugars, vegetable oils and eat Whole
Foods. I got I think we don't think we
need to be dogmatic about, you know, eating just animals or
just plants or whatever it is like eat Whole Foods.

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I have my particular things thatI eat and it works for me.
Yeah. I don't think that just eating a
good diet is going to protect you from disease or eating a
terrible diet is going to cause a whole disease process.
It's very multifactorial. No disease is caused by just one
thing. It's always a combination of
things and a combination of how our genes express themselves in

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the face of those signals that we're giving it.
I obviously have a personal story of, you know, eating a
good diet and exercising and stuff.
And it wasn't enough. And the things that I did after
that were powerful enough to reverse disease in my body.
So and the things I did after that were not diet related.
My diet stayed the same. My exercise stayed somewhat the
same. As soon as I can get back to I

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should do a different form of it.
And my stress stayed the same, maybe even got worse.
Unfortunately, at times after the heart attack, what I changed
was my light and my circadian rhythm and my infrared lights
was in my grounding and that kind of stuff was what I changed
more. And I didn't even really really
do much like mindfulness type stuff.

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That stuff all the stayed the same for me too.
I didn't and like ramp that up or anything.
I think that's important too, very important.
But I didn't do much change withthat either.
It just kind of shows the power of of light and energy and, and
that kind of stuff can. You speak a little bit on the
whole issue of why heart attacksare more common in men than in
women. Yeah, it's a common question and

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that I get. And they they still are more
common in men than women, but women are catching up.
And so historically, I think I don't know, but for sure, but
what I can speculate is that menwere the breadwinners.
Men were going to work, they were working these jobs and
stuff. And now I'm like, you know,
especially like in the 80s, women started coming into the
workplace way more. So that's why I think women are

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catching up because we're working these jobs I think that
are just not great for us, thesekind of industrial corporate
type jobs. And I think that that's a
stressful thing. So I think that that could be
one reason, but the other reasonI think is that if if we
understand like that a large percentage of I think a much

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larger percentage of heart attacks happened because of this
imbalanced nervous system that we talked about.
And so things that can increase the parasympathetic signaling.
I think overall women are just alittle bit more in touch with
that kind of side of things, whereas women, men are just kind
of like go through it, don't payattention to it, just kind of

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just get through it or whatever.But also at least, and actually,
I don't know the studies. Oh, I think I, I think I did
mention in my book, I haven't, Ihaven't gone through this
section of my book in a long time.
But women also have a menstrual cycle, which is very
parasympathetic stimulating. And they have that every month
until a certain age. And I do think that I can't
remember, so don't quote me on this, but I do think that I had

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some evidence that I, I, I talked about in my book that
after menopause, women catch up pretty quick.
So, yeah. So, so that could be part of it.
I mean, there could be many different reasons.
Heart attacks are also more common in winter.
All diseases get worse in the winter.
Monday mornings, right? And Monday mornings, yeah, we

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all know this like, well, most people know this is the medical
field definitely knows it. Monday mornings, stressful
sporting events, stressful holidays, daylight savings, like
heart attacks are way more common.
What does that create? Stress.
So someone's already in balance in their stress and we get to
the acute stress. Like I, I really think that
heart attacks are more like these, these stress forms of

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heart attacks are, are probably more prevalent than we think.
And just like in my case, what happens in cardiology, if
someone has a heart attack and then they go in and they find
all these blockages that could have been there for years not
causing an issue because the body built collateral.
And they say, oh, this was the 'cause this is it.
When really it was something else completely.
And there's no real way to tell if where the blockage was

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correlates with where the tissuedeath was, because until that
person, we can do an autopsy in that person and study their
arteries, we don't know. Because, you know, some people
are right coronary dominant, some people are left coronary
dominant. And in Beraldi's work, like his
work is fascinating. He, he's very, very meticulous
documentary. And he found that it's, it's
random. Everybody's so different.

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Like in some people, the right coronary coronary artery was the
supplied more blood to the heartthan the LED.
So and it was, it wasn't just some people, it was like a large
percentage of people. So everybody's distribution to
the heart as far as blood is different.
So we can't really tell if we can correlate it until we can
the person dies and we do an autopsy, which they don't even
look at that I bet. But so anyways, yeah.

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How interesting, Doctor Hussey, can you tell us a little bit a
little bit about your book and why you wrote the book and how
it can help people? Yeah, so I actually started
writing the book before my heartattack.
I hadn't finished it though, because I was interested in the
heart, obviously. And then I had doubts about
publishing it afterwards. I finished it after the heart

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attack and everything and had doubts about publishing it.
But I got to add a lot about my story and everything and, and to
it, which I think made it better.
And, you know, I went through itand I, I was like, well, would
there be anything I changed now that I've had this experience?
And there's not like everything that I said I still feel is
true. And now I could add so much more

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to my book, I feel like, and I hope I get the chance to do so.
But it's still good. I thought it's still very, very
valuable. And there's lots of interesting
things about the heart not beinga pump and, and the structured
water in the arteries. I still go through all that in
the book. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's
it's my thoughts on on heart disease things that it's called
understanding the heart, which again, is what I've been trying

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to do understand. I've been trying to understand
health and disease for a very long time, but specifically the
heart. So understanding the heart,
which when you see this, people see people see that and they're
like, I had somebody reach out to me and say that he ordered my
book and his wife opened the package when it came in and she
was like, you got a book about understanding the heart?
And he was like, no, no, it's heart disease.

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It's heart disease, which is a component of heart disease, the
whole emotional part of it. But like, it's funny.
So I thought that was funny. But yeah, yeah, it's on Amazon
and it's. It's on the publisher website,
which is Chelsea Green Publishing.
People could find it there. I'll make sure to link it below.
Doctor Hussey, thank you so muchfor giving us.

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Can I get one more question? No more questions for you.
OK, go ahead after. My psychiatric question in right
because the the high correlationbetween depression post cardiac
event and on even after bypass surgery.
So it's estimated that upwards of 30 to 40% of people who go

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through those experiences develop depression.
So do you have an idea of why that happens?
I would argue that why I don't know, I don't have any, you
know, concrete data on this, butI would argue that perhaps the
the mechanism of which depression would develop, which
is rewiring on the brain, in my opinion, has started well before

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the heart disease that was 1 component that caused the heart
disease potentially and especially heart failure.
But yeah, especially if they're like when your body fails, you,
you know, like it's, it's hard to go through.
I've been there. So I think that can contribute
and perpetuate the process. But I do think it's a chicken or
the egg type of thing because ifsomeone, you know, there's a

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huge correlation between all disease and and mental illness
and anxiety, depression, those types of things, because the
brain is starting to wire itselfin a certain way.
And now even if there's no stressful thing or depressing
thing happening around us or painful thing happening around
us, where our brain is wired in a way to activate that, which is
one of the curses of the prefrontal cortex that we have.

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That's so large because we can think our way into stress
responses and we can, we can wire that, that system.
I wrote a book about chronic pain and, and I think trauma
and, and depression and, and, and pain rewire, rewire the
brain in similar ways. And so I think that any disease,
there's a component, component of brain rewiring that has to

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happen. And unfortunately many aspects
of our modern way of life interfere with that, especially
disrupted circadian rhythm. If you're not sleeping, you're
not healing your brain, you're not rewiring your brain.
People know about like I think it's EDMREMDR, like training
with the eyes that's. What I do, that's what I do
like. What do we do in deep?
What do we do in deep? Room?
Sleep. Our eyes move like that's what's

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supposed to happen. And if we disrupt that, we never
get into that. Then when our brains don't
rewire. So yeah, I think that it goes
hand in hand. So it's just the connection
between the brain and the heart and how there's this heart,
brain kind of coherent system that's kind of the brain's
picking up the signal or the heart's picking up the signals,
the brain's relaying it to the body.
So we want the brain wired in a certain way.

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So there's no, there's no mistake that or it's not a, it's
not a coincidence that I think like it's somewhere between 50
and 75% of people who have chronic pain or, or chronic
disease of any sort have anxietyand depression.
Like it's totally linked becauseI think that it's chicken and
the egg one's causing the other other.
It's kind of like the, the electromagnetic field and the

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vortex. It's, it's happening and they,
they're both happening at the same time.
So really, really important to bring up.
Yeah. I think you have a photographic
memory, correct? You see something or you hear
something once you remember it. Right.
Me, yes. I don't know.
It's just if it if it, if I'm looking for an answer and I find

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it, I'll remember it. But I I always think about that
like how many books have I read where what I read wasn't
pertinent, what I was thinking about at the time and I missed
the information. Now I got to go back and read
them again. But yeah.
Doctor Hussey, I know, we know you have to run, so please tell
our our listeners where they canfind you, where they can get
more information. I know you've got the Instagram

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page X and Facebook right? Mm hmm.
Yeah, just Doctor Steven Hussey,Dr. Steven Hussey.
People can reach out to me on there.
And then my website is resource your health.com and you know, my
my health, my heart health program is on there.
People can get into that or my books are on there, My blog that

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I infrequently post on is on there.
My recommended products, everything's on the website, so.
OK great, I will make sure to link everything below so they
can find you easily. Thank you so much for your time.
We learned so much today. Always fascinating to to listen
to your knowledge. I love it, absolutely.
It was an honor. Yeah, Thanks, guys.
Thanks for having me. Thank you so much.
Take care everyone. See you guys in the next one.

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