July 14, 2025 • 62 mins
Quantum Biology 101 with Dr. Catherine Clinton
In this powerful and illuminating episode, we sit down with someone we deeply love and admire—Dr. Catherine Clinton, a trailblazer in the world of quantum biology. If you’ve ever wondered why getting outside feels so good, or how light, water, and your environment are shaping your health at the cellular level, this one’s for you.
Dr. Clinton breaks down Quantum Biology 101 in the most accessible, inspiring way. Together, we explore:
☀️ The Vital Role of Light – Why natural sunlight is essential for your health, how much you really need, and what makes indoor lighting so toxic to your biology. 🌈 Outdoor vs. Indoor Environments – The impact of outdoor light on circadian rhythms, immunity, and emotional well-being—and how to protect yourself from indoor radiation. 💧 The Fourth Phase of Water – What structured water is, how your body creates it, and whether drinking structured water can enhance your health. 🧬 Melatonin & Vitamin D – Why melatonin is so much more than a sleep hormone and how your body can actually use it in place of vitamin D during the darker months.
We connect the dots between sunlight, cellular energy, hydration, and hormone balance—offering you a whole new way to think about wellness from the inside out.
This is one of those episodes you’ll want to re-listen to, share with a friend, and take notes on. Tune in and get ready to see light, water, and your body in a whole new way.
Connect with Dr. Clinton: https://www.drcatherineclinton.com
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Welcome to the Rewilded Human podcast, where Doctor Lucille,
holistic psychiatrist and psychotherapist, and Doctor
Lynn, Naturopath and Nutritionalconsultant help you reconnect
with your true self through practical tips on mental health,
nutrition, exercise, relationships, and spirituality.
With a dash of humor, they tackle today's toughest issues
to guide you back to a harmonious, vibrant life.
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Rediscover your natural self, just as nature intended.
Welcome everybody to the Rewilded Human podcast.
In today's episode, we are goingto take a deep dive into how to
rewild ourselves to gain optimalhealth.
We're going to talk about something that our ancestors did
and knew instinctively but we'velost touch with.
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So you may be one of those people who has a physical
condition or a mental condition and you've tried everything
you've been told to do and it doesn't really seem to be
helping as well as you thought. Or maybe you're noticing as
you're getting older that you'reputting on weight, getting a
little more brain fog, getting more stiff, and you're just
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putting it down to, Oh, well, that's what happens when you
age. Well, today we're going to talk
about quantum biology, which is a big missing piece for our
optimal health that we have losttouch with and almost nobody
talks about. In this episode, we are going to
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be interviewing Doctor CatherineClinton, who is a naturopath and
an expert on quantum biology. She's going to define what
quantum biology is, and she's going to talk about how we are
essentially electromagnetic beings interacting with an
environment that is full with electromagnetic frequencies.
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We're going to talk about how the Sun is a conductor of a huge
orchestra of cells and interactions within our body
that so rely on the Sun's conducting abilities to give us
that. Health and well-being that we're
looking for. We're going to talk about a
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special form of water that formsin our bodies that is actually a
battery that creates more energyfor us.
And we're going to talk about how to modify, avoid and
eliminate sources of light that are actually toxic to our
bodies. So if you're intrigued and you
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are looking for that big, big missing piece to our health and
well-being. Sit back.
Relax. And enjoy the show.
Doctor Catherine, thank you so much for coming on our podcast.
We are so excited and so happy to have you here with us.
And we are very excited to talk about quantum biology and we
want to give our listeners the foundations, the basics, because
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that's the biggest question I get from people.
But what is quantum biology? So can we start there?
Absolutely. That's for someone who is.
Completely new to this and has no idea what we're all about.
Yeah, no, it's a perfect place to start because many people
have heard of biology, right life, and many people have heard
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of quantum physics, how life acts at the very small subatomic
level. But not a lot of people have
heard about quantum biology, andit's where the two actually
meet. So quantum biology is really
looking at the relationship between the smallest building
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blocks in our world, the electron, the proton, a photon
of light, a phonon from sound, and how those very small pieces
impact living systems, impact our body, our health, our state
of inflammation, disease and healing.
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And So what we're looking at really is this exploration to
how light impacts the body, how the flow of electrons,
electrical fields, magnetic fields, electromagnetic fields,
how they impact the body, how the body actually utilizes them
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and communicates via these fields, how our thoughts and
intentions. And that energetic field
influences our biology, the flowof protons in the mitochondria
making energy. So it's really looking at, I
think life, health, disease froman energetic perspective, these
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unseen blueprints of electrical fields, magnetic fields, the
quantum field, the bio field lights, the full spectrum of
electromagnetic frequencies and and spectrums of light and how
they influence our health and Wellness.
That's. Amazing.
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So if we were to translate that into, well, you know, because
that sounds like a vast universeof knowledge, of course, which
it is, but for the average person.
What are the? Principles that they need to
understand that they can apply to their daily lives.
Absolutely. So it does sound, like you said
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the entire universe, and it really is because that's where
we live. We're in this universe
participating in this flow of energy.
But from a practical standpoint,it speaks to our light
environment, our relationship really with the world around us,
how we cultivate a relationship with the rising and the setting
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of the sun, the ground beneath our feet, the natural world
that's all around us, our internal terrain of our
thoughts. Many of us have subconscious
trains of thought that we pickedup in our early childhood, and
we often aren't even unconsciousor aware of those thoughts.
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And they have a primary impact on our state of health and
Wellness and longevity. And so from a practical
standpoint, there are many different ways to look at the
body from a quantum biological perspective, mitochondrial
function, circadian medicine, our light environment, bio field
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therapies, the world of electromagnetic frequency.
Looking at the body as an electric being more so than a
chemical being. You know, we are trillions and
trillions of cells and each one of those cells is completing at
least hundreds of thousands of tasks each second.
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And the current model that we have describing a chemical
reaction, chemical diffusion or a physical lock and key model
don't explain. They're just mathematically
impossible to explain what's happening in the body.
And that's where this idea of frequency comes in.
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And, and frequency is really just vibration, right, The wave
of an electrical field or the spectrum of light.
So there are many practical waysthat we can sort of explore if
we want and, and they come underthose headings of light,
environment, circadian medicine,bio field therapies, looking at
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the body from an electrical standpoint and how that really
effects health. And and those are just a few,
right? Yeah, absolutely.
Can we start with light? Let's talk about light first,
because I think that's that's that's the one that people can
most relate to and most understand the the good and the
bad. Let's talk about first of all,
like the, the, the good impact of the necessary light.
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Like let's talk about the sun, the outside light and light
environment that is important for our health and why why it's
so important. Yeah, absolutely.
The light that we have evolved with is the rising and setting
of the sun, right? When you look at every ancient
indigenous culture, they have a practice, a reverence in a
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relationship with the sunrise, with the setting of the sun,
with the seasonal cycles. And it was 2017 that 3 Nobel,
well, three researchers were awarded the Nobel Prize for
their work in chronobiology. And that's just a big word for
how light impacts life. And what they found is that
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living systems, including our body, are made-up of circadian
genes. Almost every single cell in our
body has a circadian clock. That means that the light in our
environment is triggering our biological cascades.
Whether we're talking about hormones, metabolism, our
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inflammatory state, our neurotransmitters, and every
biological action, cardiovascularly respiratory,
our digestive system, our detoxification organs, all of
these things are triggered by the light in our environment.
And we are meant to be in a relationship with the natural
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circadian rhythm of the sun. Circadian is that time period of
roughly 24 hours where the sun is rising, it's up in the sky,
it sets, and then there's that period of darkness at night.
And when we align with that rhythm, our biology is balanced.
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So when we wake up in the morning and we go outside and
see the morning sun, that sets up the release of cortisol.
Pregnenolone sets the stage for our hormonal balance and
cascades. It sets up our neurological
balance and function with neurotransmitters like dopamine
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and serotonin. Cortisol is our sort of master
inflammatory hormone that sets up so much of the backdrop of
what's happening in our body, and it sets up our metabolic
function. And so just that morning light,
just getting outside, being in the natural light.
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And so many people ask me, well,do I have to look at the sun?
Like, what if I'm in the shade? It's just natural light, right?
If you were outside, you are completely enveloped in natural
light. I'm here in the Pacific
Northwest. We don't actually see the sun
for months in the winter, but weare still exposed to a very
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broad spectrum of light when we go out inside, even on a dark,
cloudy, dreary day, Right, That natural light, yes, absolutely.
It's if I had my spectrometer in, I'm inside right now with a
couple sliding glass doors open.We would see that if everything
was shut. The artificial light that I have
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in here, it's just a very narrowspectrum, a visible light.
When I go outside again, even ifit's cloudy and dreary, that
spectrum is going become so muchwider and it's going to become
much more intense. O If you think of light as
nutrition, we are getting the most processed high fructose
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corn syrup to. McDonald's.
Right. To McDonald's of light.
Yes, right. Doctor Kathy, what you're saying
is even if, if you, even if you can't be outdoors, but if you
open a light or open a door or asliding door or a window, then
you're getting that full spectrum of light inside.
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It's like. Because people ask.
That all the time, like, you know, what do I do if I can't be
outdoors or for people who don'tsee the sun for many months,
like in your location and peopleare saying, but then what's the
point of going outside? But apparently it's very
important still to go outside. Yes, you don't actually.
Need to see the sun in order to have the the beneficial effects
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of being outdoors. Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I always kind of referto it as we talk about fish in
water and fish not recognizing that they're swimming in water.
They, you know, and we're sort of like those fish in a sea of
light. We often think of like a a torch
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or a flashlight or a spotlight and just that circle of
illumination is where that lightis.
But that's not true. Those photons are bouncing
around everywhere. So if I'm sitting in a room and
I crack a window to let natural light in, it's not just where
that light is coming in and shining that holds that
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information that's bouncing throughout the room.
Those photons are are active anddancing and we are enveloped in
that light environment wherever we are.
And so like you said, going outside, even if it's not a
beautiful summer day, is still such a nutrient rich experience
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for our biology. It's setting up so many
different biological cascades that are so important for our
health. And I think it's important to
realize that it isn't just the beautiful tropical sun, which is
wonderful, don't get me wrong, but it's any natural light.
It's just getting outside. And the same goes throughout the
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day. So if we can take natural light
breaks throughout the day, let'ssay we have a work environment
that we need to be inside for taking a 15 minute break
outside, eating our lunches outside, those have such a
powerful impact on our biology that many of us don't realize
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that are guiding what's happening in our body.
It's amazing when you think about it, how detached we are
from the circadian rhythm, from the sun, because I've introduced
these concepts to clients of mine.
And one thing is very interesting.
They often don't even understandthat the sunrise comes at a
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different time every day. You know, so they'll get up when
they get up and they think they'll just expose themselves
and, and they don't recognize that, well, the sun is actually
rising or the earth is turning on its axis in such a way that
the sunrise will occur at different times of day.
So it, it really is amazing, I think, how much we as a
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civilization have just lost connection with that natural
force of life, right? And So what, what then?
You're saying sunrise, of course, is the most important
time for people to start exposing themselves to the sun
during the day. Is that correct?
And you mentioned going out at other times of the day.
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So what other times of the day would also be optimal for
people? Great question.
So that sunrise is rich in red and infrared light.
It's really soothing for our nervous system.
It helps balance those adrenal hormones.
And then as the sun starts to rise within a couple hours of
sunrise, we're starting to get all those biological cues we
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talked about with hormones and metabolism.
Then as the sun starts to rise and gets to sort of that peak at
noon and and noon, solar noon, like you mentioned is at
different times throughout the day.
So yeah, yes, I mean, throughoutthe season, right.
And that there's that on a Lima that happens with the sun
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throughout the year, this beautiful dance.
So that time is changing, but when the sun is at its peak,
that also tells our body like, OK, we need to be at high
metabolism, we need to start doing this in the immune system.
And then as the sun starts to godown South from that solar noon
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to sunset, we see that the opposite happens, right?
So the first spectrum to leave is that UVB that starts to lower
and disappear as the sun starts going down, just like it starts
to appear around 11 AM, 10 AM, around noon, depending on where
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you are, what time of year it is.
But that starts to leave the spectrum of light that is
available to us, ultraviolet A starts to disappear.
And then we're left again with that red and infrared light of
sunset and what that does at each period throughout the day
when we go outside, it reinforces that circadian
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rhythm. It tells our body, OK, this is
what time it is, this is where we are, and it reinforces what's
going to happen 12/14/16 hours later in the body.
So getting that AM sunlight is one of the best things we can do
for a good night's sleep. And it's not the first thing we
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think of, right? Because it helps us feel
energized and alert and we have dopamine and cortisol and we're
ready to go. And, and that's true, but it's
setting up the cycle for melatonin to be released when
the sun goes down, when we're indarkness.
And melatonin is our master antioxidant incident.
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I mean, it is reinforcing over 250 different biological
cascades. It's really a dominant player in
biology and it is reinforcing that deep restorative sleep.
So we've been talking about functions that are getting us
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up, getting our metabolism moving, getting our brain
functioning, our mood balance. What's happening in darkness as
that sunsets and as we move intothe dark hours of the night is
that we are stimulating autophagy and eight, apoptosis
where the body is either recycling or just getting rid of
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cells that are damaged and dysfunctional.
And we want that. We want this clean system.
We want those dysfunctional cells to be removed out of the
system so that we're operating with healthy functional cells.
And there's a lot of different biological actions that are
happening. So when we look at that 1st of
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immune action, immune system action that happens with morning
light, we have to have those cells online for that to happen.
And those cells are being produced in those night hours,
in those hours of darkness. Same with our metabolism.
Those biological conversations that we have in our body with
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metabolism, with insulin, with leptin, those things are
happening in darkness. So anytime we go outside,
anytime we align with the natural rhythm of the sun in our
environment, wherever we are living at the time, is a
wonderful way to reinforce. A healthy metabolism, immune
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system, hormonal balance, just the overall function of the
body. And many of us live in a modern
situation with modern lighting, all the conveniences to stay up
a little bit later to watch shows, to get some work done on
our laptop or our phones. And just that interference with
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the natural rhythm of our circadian alignment with the sun
can have powerful adverse negative effects on our biology.
So moving to something like bluelight blocking devices, apps for
our devices, moving to somethinglike this salt lamp that I have
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behind us, moving to more red, more orange tone lights and
moving them lower in the horizon.
So turning off the overhead lights and moving them lower to
stimulate and reinforce what we would find in our natural
environment, right? That setting sun or a fire that
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is keeping us warm and lighting up our environment.
Those things don't block the release of that pineal melatonin
and we are still able to have all those different things that
we've been talking about. So be mindful of that as the sun
goes down and we enter, those hours of darkness can be really
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important. It's very interesting what
you're saying because a lot of people don't realize that if
they're trying to lose weight orbalance their hormones, they
just don't make the connection that maybe you're exercising,
you think you're eating right, you're doing all the right
things, but you can't lose weight, you need HRT because you
can't balance your hormones and you can't sleep.
And nobody looks at light as theculprit, the lack of natural
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light and all this toxic light indoors.
And you know, when you go see a specialist, I just came from a
retreat and they were, it was a Wellness retreat.
Nobody talked about light, Nobody talked about quantum
biology. Everyone was drinking their
green juices. We were doing yoga inside during
UVA rise. I was horrified.
It was insane. And you know, I was sitting
there talking to everyone about quantum biology and they were
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like shocked that nobody, if this is a Wellness retreat, why
are we not talking about these things?
So you don't really find this information anywhere.
And people are struggling and they're going to these places
trying to lose weight, drinking their green juice.
But they didn't lose anything during, after a week of, you
know, paying like €3000 to be there drinking their green
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juices. And at the end of the week,
there's no weight loss. Like, how frustrating is that?
But nobody tells them about the other part.
That is much more important thanI would think.
Would you agree with this that it's more important than food,
the nutrition you're getting from the light outside?
Yeah. I think that that biological
action or perspective really sets the backdrop for all the
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food and the chemical interventions.
They aren't going to work if that part isn't in place
already. Definitely.
And I think also just to add on to that, I think the energetic
perspective of our nervous system.
So I've seen lots of people thatare doing the light, are doing
the exercise and still not losing weight or feeling well.
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And it's because their nervous system is in that state of fight
or flight danger and it's doing its best to keep them alive,
right? And so those energetic states of
our light environment, of our internal thoughts and
consciousness, those things havesuch a powerful influence on our
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biology. And all we're talking about,
like you said, is food. So everything it's, it points to
how everything is frequency or vibration, absolutely
everything, as you say, from, you know, food, the sun, our
thoughts, everything. And I think the, the key that
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message I'm getting is if we payattention to it on that level,
if that's the framework on whichwe, we think about all that we
do in the day is all about frequency.
I think all of this seems very easy really in many ways.
Once you understand what the frequencies of light do, what
the frequencies of artificial light do, sunlight, artificial
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light, the frequencies of our own bodies, that the level of
health in our bodies, that's allfrequency, etcetera, etcetera.
Then then if we think about our lives in that way, it's all
frequency. It seems to me it would be more
natural and easy to implement all of these, you know, changes,
right. We would understand that, you
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know, food has a certain frequency, but that frequency is
not has to be supported by sunlight exposure, etcetera.
When when we think then about frequencies like what are some
of the frequencies that would bereally important to avoid or
minimize? Like you've pointed out, you
know, artificial light in, in our environments, but what are
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all the, the frequencies that weshould minimize or avoid?
Great question. So like you just said, we
mentioned artificial light and there's that artificial
electromagnetic frequency of Wi-Fi that's around us or just
electromagnetic fields in general, right?
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So if we've got those smart meters, if we're living right
next to a electrical pole, especially the really high ones
with their, oh, I'm forgetting what those little things are on
top. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the.
High voltage ones, yeah, that that is, I think a lot of people
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don't realize that our cells communicate with electromagnetic
fields. So our cells create their own
electromagnetic field and changes in that are what guide
cell behavior, cell migration and movement, even cell
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differentiation, how a cell becomes an ear or an elbow
that's guided by the electromagnetic field of the
cells. And when you we are inundated
with these unnatural electromagnetic fields, then
that gets very chaotic. And the body is beautiful and
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intelligent and it is used to chaos, right?
If you think about trillions of cells, which I mean, what are we
talking about? Quadrillions of mitochondria?
I mean, it just gets to this level where we can't even fathom
the amount of activity that's happening in the body.
And the body is good at picking out dominant signals and
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listening to those and using those to guide biology.
But when we start introducing these non natural
electromagnetic fields, it can become chaotic.
And So what are some of the things we can do?
We can go wired, we can unplug that router, we can use Ethernet
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or other methods to wire our computers, our laptops, our
phones, even our TV's. I my router is outside and I
unplug it every evening and before I plug it in in the
morning, I am going outside and putting my bare feet on the
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ground. Grounding or earthing is a
wonderful way to balance and recalibrate that electrical
charge in the body. There is a sea of negative
electrons. Well, electrons are negative,
right? A sea of free electrons.
The Earth is negatively charged at its surface, and when we put
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our bare feet, when we put our body, when we put our hands on a
tree or anything that's embeddedin this negative surface charge
of the earth, it helps recalibrate that negative charge
of the body. Our cells run on a negative
charge, and it influences so much of a cell's function, the
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cell's health and its lifespan, its longevity.
And a lot of people don't think of that, right?
We think of chemical ways to make ourselves healthy,
antioxidants and all these things we've been hearing about
for years, which can be wonderful, but they aren't
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always addressing the electricalcharge of the cell.
And that is what we see as beingthe determining factor for how
healthy that cell is, how well it functions.
And earthing is a wonderful way to do that.
So unplugging that router at night, putting our phone on
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airplane mode, putting it in another room when we sleep,
going wired, those are wonderfulways to give the body that
chance to recalibrate and earthing our grounding is
another way that can help replenish that negative charge
that's so vital for our biology and health.
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What do you think about grounding tools to be used
inside? I know the best thing obviously
is to go outside and ground outside, but a lot of people,
again, with living in colder climates and they can't really
physically touch the earth for like 6 months out of the year.
I mean, of course touching a tree is just as good or touching
a rock and it doesn't have to bea long time, correct?
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But what about using grounding pads or sleeping on grounding
pads inside? What do you think about those?
I think that they can be helpful, but like you mentioned,
there is no substitute for that relationship we have with the
world around us. And that can look like setting
up wooden chairs around a fire. If we are in climates where it's
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too cold to touch the ground, right, We can sit on something
that can conduct that electricity and wood can to some
extent. I get that same question.
Well, I live in this urban. Center.
Or whatever you know, yeah, or somewhere that's covered in
concrete, right and. And people say, well, what about
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that? Well, the concrete still does
conduct some electrons, right? It's really hard to shield the
Earth's electrical charge completely.
So finding some way to do that. But if that isn't always
feasible, then yeah, I do think that grounding products can be
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or devices, mats can be helpful with the caveat that we're not
using it to replace our relationship because going back
to what we were talking about with the spectrum of light and
how that frequency is so help helpful, the same thing we can
find with our relationship with the natural world.
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So beyond that negative electrical charge, beyond that
ability to help bolster and reinforce our circadian rhythm,
our electrical charge, the natural world around us offers
this relationship of safety. And I think so many of us these
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days are lacking in that sense of safety, that sense of
belonging. Sometimes our workplaces don't
feel safe. The commute even to work doesn't
feel safe in traffic. We're in this constant fight or
flight. Sometimes our relationships, our
families are lacking in that sense of deep safety and
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belonging. And the natural world holds
that. The sun rises every morning, no
matter what you did yesterday, it will still greet you and kiss
you with its rays, right? The the ground will always be
there to hold you, the trees will always be there to embrace
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you. And that safety adds another
layer that a grounding device can't.
So yes, I, I think they can be helpful, but I don't think
anything can replace our relationship with the natural
world. And I really think that we're at
a time in history where we are being called back into
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relationship with the natural world, where that is really
foundational to our health, to the planet's health, to this
whole continuum of energy and healing that really needs to
happen and be respected and nurtured.
Yeah, I, I can absolutely relateto that.
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And I feel this. I feel this shift happening.
And you know, when you're out innature, the way you feel, my
parents always say this because they walk a lot.
They're always in the mountains and everything.
And they always say when you're out in nature, you cannot have a
negative thought. And isn't that so true?
Like you're walking in the forest and I just did some
amazing hiking and everything during the retreat.
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You cannot, you cannot think of politics or any of the BS that's
going on in the world. You're just like, you're just in
harmony. You're like your nervous system
is regulated and you're at peace.
And people don't understand thisuntil they get out there and
actually do it. But This is why people feel so
amazing when they go on vacation.
You know, they're grounding, they're on the beach or they're
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in the mountains, they're in thesea.
But they they think they feel sogreat because they're not
working. But it's much deeper than that.
Yeah, Yeah, it is much deeper than that.
It's one of those primary relationships that we've really
walked away from in modern day life.
And if we think of it as our first mother, really our first
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family is that natural world, then we start to comprehend, oh,
wow, you know, some people talk about, well, I haven't called my
mom in a couple weeks and oh, geez, it's like, well, you
haven't communed with your natural family for, you know,
even longer. And, and that really takes a
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primary role in, in our health. And I think so many people are
feeling that this lack of belonging, this lack of safety.
And I'll tell you, I haven't seen a patient in my 18 years of
practice that didn't have a lackof safety, that didn't have a
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sense of not belonging, right. There is such a huge component
to this feeling of safety. Our cells can't repair, they
can't heal if they don't feel safe.
And, and there's a whole nervoussystem sort of component to
that. But just Simply put, our cells
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have to feel safe to repair and heal.
And it's foundational to our health.
Makes a lot of sense. Doctor Catherine, can can we
talk? Sorry, Lucille.
I just wanted to ask about vitamin D before we move on from
light because I think that's important to cover.
So we get vitamin D when UVB is present from sunlight, right?
So it's a little bit later in the day.
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And why is it important? How do we get the best exposure?
How much time do we need? Of course, we need to put the
sunscreen on 1st, right? Then there are sunglasses before
we go outside. That's really important for
everybody. To remember, right?
We're joking. Yeah, no, that's a great point.
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Vitamin D is called a vitamin, but it's really a hormone and
it's impacting, again, so many different biological actions.
When I teach quantum biology, I try to break it up into modules.
OK, we're going to talk about this, but what what happens is
it's like we're just talking about different parts of the
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tapestry because everything is so interconnected.
And we see the same thing with vitamin D.
It impacts our immune system, our metabolic health, our
hormones. All of these different things
are impacted by the state of vitamin D And we were talking
about the light in our environment and how the sunrise
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happens at different times throughout the year and that on
a Lima that the sun does throughout a 365 day year.
The beautiful thing about it is for someone living where I do in
the Pacific Northwest and we don't get that sun throughout
the winter. It's it appeared a month or two
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ago sporadically, but it's it's behind clouds most of the year.
And what's beautiful about getting that springtime sun,
getting that summer sun, gettingsome of that fall sun before the
sun falls too close to the horizon and UVB disappears, is
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that we are cultivating this rich store of vitamin D, and our
fat stores can store this vitamin D.
And so when we go out in the sunand we expose our skin when our
eyes are able to match the lightin our environment with the
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light on our skin, a lot of people don't realize that our
skin is probably the biggest endocrine organ, the biggest
organ in charge of hormones thatthere is.
We talk about glands, the adrenal gland and and the
ovaries and all these different things throughout the body that
influence and secrete hormones. And that's true.
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But our skin is a huge player inour endocrine system, in our
hormonal system. And when light enters our eyes,
it goes back, concentrates on that thin layer of cells in the
back of the eye, the retina. And there are proteins in the
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cells of the retina, melanopsin that are sensitive to light in
the environment. And it can tell you it's sort of
that circadian detector, right? It's sensitive to blue and
ultraviolet light. And that is communicated to the
suprachiasmatic nucleus in the hypothalamus and then that the
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SCN, that master circadian clockcommunicates that to all the
different cells in our body, allthose peripheral circadian
clocks. The skin has the same thing.
There are options on the skin and when we are in the sun and
how much sun we need. So dependent on where we are,
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what our skin type is, how much melanin and tolerance we have to
the sun. It, it really is individual.
So, you know, I think my husband, I think it was the end
of January, there were a couple days where the sun came out.
There was no ultraviolet B because of where I am, but I'm
still outside. I am sunbathing.
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It's like 45° or 42° but I'm outthere starting to work on my
melanin content. Because we can work on that even
when the UVB presence isn't available.
And starting to build up those stores of melanin, starting to
build up those stores of vitaminD dependent again individually
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on where you are and, and what individually your constitution
is. It builds these stores of
vitamin D. And then the beautiful thing is
we talked about the difference in sunrise and sunset.
So here where I'm at, the sun will set in the winter at 5:00
PM and it doesn't come up again till almost 8:00 in the morning.
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And what that does is it opens up this enormous window for me
to harvest melatonin, right? We talked about when the sun
goes down and those dark hours happen, then our pineal gland is
releasing melatonin and going tobed earlier in the winter time.
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Spending more time in darkness, sleeping longer allows me to
harvest really more melatonin. And there's a direct
relationship between our melatonin and our vitamin D.
So if we are out in those springand summer months getting safe
sun exposure, getting adequate vitamin D levels and vitamin D
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conversion, then that vitamin D will do this dance with
melatonin. So if we are not staying up
late, if we're respecting that rhythm in the winter time and
getting more melatonin, it'll make those vitamin D stores last
throughout the winter. So we hear a lot of times like,
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OK, it's winter time supplement with vitamin D, you're going to
lose all your vitamin D. Well, there's this beautiful
system and relationship happening between the seasons
and the seasons of sunlight and getting that vitamin D
conversion and building those stores in the body, and then
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going into those darker winter months and maintaining those
stores with melatonin and that active cultivation of melatonin
in the body. It's just such a beautiful
system, so intelligent. Yeah, it's amazing how the the
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sun is like, I've I've heard this analogy before and it is so
perfect that the sun is like theconductor of an orchestra.
And you know, all of members of the orchestra are in our body,
right? We have trillions and trillions
of orchestra players. So it just, it just boggles the
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mind how this is so beautifully synchronized.
Like there's when people say, well, there's no God, there's no
consciousness, there's no higherconsciousness in any of this.
I cannot understand that becausethere is such a genius of
consciousness that that is, you know, creating this and keeping
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it going day in and day out, in moment by moment.
It's just amazing. Yeah, It really does reinforce
this practice of awe. Like, I love the research.
I love trying to figure out what's happening, to answer
questions. But sometimes I get to a point
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where I'm like, you know, I think this is all just a
practice in awe, that I am supposed to just be in awe of
all the miracles that are aroundus because you can see them
everywhere you look. It's just incredible.
And here we are. Just random accidents, right?
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The Big Bang stuff and then and here we are.
Here we are. Everything, Yeah.
Could you tell us then about thewater?
We know that there's something magical about the water in our
bodies, and it's not what most people are taught.
I certainly was not taught anything about water, really.
The the what we know now about water when I was going to
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medical school, it's just like light years of a head of what
you know, I certainly was taughtand what most people believe
about the water in our bodies. So can you tell us a little bit
more about that? Yes, the water water's so
incredible, we could just spend weeks here talking about water,
right? But researchers for over a
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century have been theorizing about a different phase of
liquid water. So we're used to talking about
solid ice, that phase of water, a gaseous phase, steam vapor,
and then liquid water that we drink.
But like I said, for over a century, many researchers have
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been theorizing about a different phase of liquid water,
sort of a plasma phase. And it was in the early 2000s
that Professor Gerald Pollack and his team out of the
University of Washington first identified, were able to
actually point to a different phase of liquid water.
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And Pollack termed this exclusion zone water.
He was studying since hydrophilic or water loving
surfaces. So these surfaces allow water to
come right up to the surface. They don't repel it away.
And when water comes to the surface, something incredible
happens. It changes structure, it becomes
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more gel like, it becomes more viscous.
And as one sheet of this easy liquid crystal water forms, it
acts as a template for more layers to form.
And what Professor Pollack and his team found was that it's
infrared energy that builds thatzone of liquid crystal water.
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And what he saw, he is the one that really proposes that it
takes a hexagonal shape. This lattice formation looks
almost like a honeycomb. And as this honeycomb lattice
form of water starts to build against a hydrophilic surface,
it pushes out a positively charged hydrogen or proton.
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Now this water, this easy liquidcrystal water is negatively
charged. And we talked about how
important a negative charge is for our health, for our cells,
their function, their longevity.And as this negatively charged
water builds against the surfaceof a water loving.
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He was at the time studying Nafion, but then he turned his
sights to cellulose that we findin plants or collagen that we
find in the human body. Our cell membranes are
hydrophilic or water loving. Our fascia is hydrophilic or
water loving. And as this negatively charged
easy water starts to build, it pushes out a positively charged
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hydrogen and creates what researchers are calling a proton
rich zone or a proton wire. And So what you see is this
separation of charge, where there's this positively charged
zone of water right outside of this negatively charged easy
liquid crystal water. And that separation of charge,
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just like the separation of charge in a 9 Volt battery is
enough to power and create potential energy.
What Pollock and his team did was they actually put an
electrode in the negatively charged water, one in the
positively charged water, and itwas enough.
It created enough potential energy to light a light bulb, an
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LED light bulb, absolutely incredible.
So this water within us does a few things.
It imparts that valuable vital negative electrical charge.
It creates a separation of charge with the positively
charged water right outside of it, creating that water battery,
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so to speak. And it also creates this
repository of free electrons. And there's a way to look at the
body as an electrical being. And any disease, pain,
inflammation can be seen as a deficiency in electrons or
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negative charge. We hear a lot about oxidative
damage, right? This is causing oxidative damage
leading to neurological disease or cardiovascular disease or
whatever it might be. When we look at it and kind of
simplify it, oxidation is the need for electrons, it's the
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deficiency in electrons and re reduction.
Redox potential is the abundanceof electrons, so we can look at
health and disease as whether wehave enough electrons in the
body. And this water, the specialized
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easy liquid crystal water, also holds these electrons that can
potentially be shuttled throughout the body to quench
inflammation and pain. Just absolutely incredible.
And like you said, certainly notsomething we learned about in
school. So basically we are liquid
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crystal batteries powered by thesun.
Yeah, powered by the sun, powered by movement.
Movement. By grounding, snuggling.
That's one of my favorite ways to build infrared energy.
Yeah. Tell us about snuggling well.
Infrared energy is what has beenshown to build that easy liquid
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crystal water. And of course the sun is our
biggest source of infrared energy.
Even in the shade. The shade When we go out, even
in the shade, we're completely enveloped in infrared energy.
But infrared energy is abundant in saunas.
Warm baths. Movement creates infrared
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energy. Snuggling.
So when we cozy up with a loved one or a pet, when we put a
blanket over ourselves and a loved one and we create a little
more heat, that infrared energy is what we're talking about.
And I can't think of AI think all those ways are such
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beautiful ways, right? Snuggling, a warm bath, going
outside, all of those things, they're just beautiful, easy,
accessible ways to influence ouroverall health.
So then we can create this beautiful liquid matrix
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crystalline water in ourselves largely by sun exposure.
Is that what you're saying? But I've also heard people say,
well, drink this water. Everybody's.
You know, there's so many water companies now that have this
water that they claim will create more structured water in
our bodies. So can you comment on that?
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Yes, I'll comment on that and here's my understanding of it.
That process where water comes up to a water loving hydrophilic
surface and that structure change happens, that negative
charge comes into play creating that positively charged zone.
That whole process is an environmental process.
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And when we drink what these companies are terming structured
water with the idea that we drink, that it goes in and
creates that structured water, Ithink there's a misunderstanding
there. And I think a better way to
understand that is that water can hold energy.
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So First off, if a company is claiming that it is creating
energized, structured, sometimesthey say coherent water, then
usually they will have some kindof research to back that up,
right? And that's always nice when a
company does that. Second of all, what we're
talking about is in a glass of water, we can add energy into
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that water, infrared energy. We can put it in the sun, we can
put it in the moonlight, we can put it in the sauna.
We can stir it and vortex it. Some people even propose
intention, conscious intention of approaching a glass of water
with gratitude or a sense of awecan influence the energetic
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content. So when we look at an atom,
right, that periodic table of atoms that make up our world,
there are two states. There's a ground state and an
excited state. And that's just chemistry,
that's just physics. That's how those atoms and
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elements work. The same can be said for water.
And there are many researchers out there, Emilio Dil Gutiche,
Giuliana Preparada, there are many people out there that have
contributed to this field of research called the quantum
electrodynamic theory of water. And that states that when energy
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is put into water, coherent domains are created, these
clusters of excited molecules ofwater.
So when we're drinking this water that's more energized,
more coherent, it can donate that energy, that excitement to
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our body. Is it a one to one equation
where we drink 8 ounces of this energized structured water and
it then goes in and makes that water battery we're talking
about? No, it's not like that.
It is donating energy and there's quite a growing emerging
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research evidence and pendulum looking at how structured water
increases the crop yield in agriculture.
Crops are healthier. They need actually less water.
If they're using structured water and they are using
devices, they're using magnets to structure the water.
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There's similar research with animals showing all kinds of
health benefits when structured energized water is used for
livestock. And there are a handful of
research studies out there abouthuman health.
And this is an area which I would love for there to be more
funding, more attention to the impacts of drinking this
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energized, coherent water. Because again, all of these
things we're talking about are easy.
They're free for the most part, and the side effects are pretty
low. I the side effects of drinking a
glass of water with gratitude orstirring it or putting it in the
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sun. We We aren't talking about heavy
duty pharmaceutical interventions or surgical
interventions. We're talking about pretty
minimal side effects, even if this turns out not to be the
case. But there's a growing amount of
evidence pointing to the benefits of structured water.
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So I think there's some nuance there and, and hopefully I
conveyed and explained a little bit of it.
Excellent. Very good.
Yeah, it's very, very interesting.
I mean, there are so many rabbitholes to go down.
Absolutely, Doctor Catherine, ifI like.
This is a lot of information forsomeone new, someone just
starting out. What would be like the three or
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five most important things that people can start doing today to
start implementing in their lives to live the quantum
biology way to to make the biggest impact on their health?
The morning sunlight, right? We might have to start with
that. Yeah, Yeah.
I think we could even just put it under the umbrella of
circadian alignment, right? And then we could say that means
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morning sunlight, natural light breaks throughout the day and
then lowering the lights at night.
I think, I think we can cheat and do that just.
Under one umbrella. Yeah.
So I think that one is is huge. I think cultivating a
relationship with the outside, whether that means earthing,
which is so powerful, whatever that whatever that relationship
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can look like anytime we're outside, we are also exposed to
negative ions that can help our biology in a in a multitude of
different ways. But cultivating that
relationship with nature I thinkis another huge foundational
piece of a quantum biological approach to health.
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And then I think the third one, it really is creating this
internal coherence, right? So when you look at some of the
early research around quantum biology, they're looking at how
photons move and there's this internal quantum coherence that
has to happen for that photon toreach the photoreactive center
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and photosynthesis to occur There is this coherence.
And coherence really just means when two or more things act as
one. When two people dance the tango
or multiple molecules of water form a wave in the ocean that
travels, it's this working together back to that idea like
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you were saying about the Symphony and how a body, a
healthy body is all these different parts working together
to create this mission, this onething.
And I think that working on an internal state of coherence,
whether that's a gratitude practice, whether that's heart
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coherence exercises, whether that's journaling, meditation,
mindfulness, whatever it might be, that brings us that internal
coherence, a self love practice,mantras, whatever it looks like,
I think that is also extremely important when we're talking
(59:31):
about a quantum biological approach to hell.
I love how you keep bringing everything back to dancing, how
everything's dancing together and, and, and it's just so
beautiful. That movement is life.
So it makes so much. That's so much sense.
Doctor Catherine, please tell our listeners where they can
find you, where they can, where they can learn more about you.
(59:51):
Tell us about your new quantum biology program that you have.
Oh, yes, absolutely. Well, I'm Doctor Catherine
Clinton. That's the name of my website.
I have lots of free resources. That's where you can find me on
social media, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook.
And last year we launched the Quantum Biology Health Institute
(01:00:14):
and we have one arm of the institute that does a training
program and the other arm of theinstitute does research.
And we now are just embarking onour first research study looking
at the impacts of heart coherence exercises on
mitochondrial function. So I'm really excited about
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that. And you can find us at
quantumbiologyhealthinstitute.org.So thank you so much for having
me on today. That's absolutely wonderful.
We will link everything below sopeople can easily find you.
We appreciate your time so much and we love your Instagram page.
We are huge fans, as you know, and hopefully everyone else will
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go and follow you and learn moreabout this incredible feel
that's going to truly impact andchange our lives forever.
Yeah. And we've just barely scratched
the surface here, so I'm sure wecan have you back to go a little
bit deeper into each one of these areas.
That would be fascinating. We would love to absolutely
thank you I. Would love them, I would love
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them. Thank.
You, Doctor Catherine, thank you.
We appreciate you so much. Thank you.
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Welcome everybody to the Rewilded Human podcast.
In today's episode, we are goingto take a deep dive into how to
rewild ourselves to gain optimalhealth.
We're going to talk about something that our ancestors did
and knew instinctively but we'velost touch with.
(00:46):
So you may be one of those people who has a physical
condition or a mental condition and you've tried everything
you've been told to do and it doesn't really seem to be
helping as well as you thought. Or maybe you're noticing as
you're getting older that you'reputting on weight, getting a
little more brain fog, getting more stiff, and you're just
(01:08):
putting it down to, Oh, well, that's what happens when you
age. Well, today we're going to talk
about quantum biology, which is a big missing piece for our
optimal health that we have losttouch with and almost nobody
talks about. In this episode, we are going to
(01:29):
be interviewing Doctor CatherineClinton, who is a naturopath and
an expert on quantum biology. She's going to define what
quantum biology is, and she's going to talk about how we are
essentially electromagnetic beings interacting with an
environment that is full with electromagnetic frequencies.
(01:52):
We're going to talk about how the Sun is a conductor of a huge
orchestra of cells and interactions within our body
that so rely on the Sun's conducting abilities to give us
that. Health and well-being that we're
looking for. We're going to talk about a
(02:13):
special form of water that formsin our bodies that is actually a
battery that creates more energyfor us.
And we're going to talk about how to modify, avoid and
eliminate sources of light that are actually toxic to our
bodies. So if you're intrigued and you
(02:37):
are looking for that big, big missing piece to our health and
well-being. Sit back.
Relax. And enjoy the show.
Doctor Catherine, thank you so much for coming on our podcast.
We are so excited and so happy to have you here with us.
And we are very excited to talk about quantum biology and we
want to give our listeners the foundations, the basics, because
(03:00):
that's the biggest question I get from people.
But what is quantum biology? So can we start there?
Absolutely. That's for someone who is.
Completely new to this and has no idea what we're all about.
Yeah, no, it's a perfect place to start because many people
have heard of biology, right life, and many people have heard
(03:20):
of quantum physics, how life acts at the very small subatomic
level. But not a lot of people have
heard about quantum biology, andit's where the two actually
meet. So quantum biology is really
looking at the relationship between the smallest building
(03:41):
blocks in our world, the electron, the proton, a photon
of light, a phonon from sound, and how those very small pieces
impact living systems, impact our body, our health, our state
of inflammation, disease and healing.
(04:03):
And So what we're looking at really is this exploration to
how light impacts the body, how the flow of electrons,
electrical fields, magnetic fields, electromagnetic fields,
how they impact the body, how the body actually utilizes them
(04:23):
and communicates via these fields, how our thoughts and
intentions. And that energetic field
influences our biology, the flowof protons in the mitochondria
making energy. So it's really looking at, I
think life, health, disease froman energetic perspective, these
(04:47):
unseen blueprints of electrical fields, magnetic fields, the
quantum field, the bio field lights, the full spectrum of
electromagnetic frequencies and and spectrums of light and how
they influence our health and Wellness.
That's. Amazing.
(05:09):
So if we were to translate that into, well, you know, because
that sounds like a vast universeof knowledge, of course, which
it is, but for the average person.
What are the? Principles that they need to
understand that they can apply to their daily lives.
Absolutely. So it does sound, like you said
(05:32):
the entire universe, and it really is because that's where
we live. We're in this universe
participating in this flow of energy.
But from a practical standpoint,it speaks to our light
environment, our relationship really with the world around us,
how we cultivate a relationship with the rising and the setting
(05:54):
of the sun, the ground beneath our feet, the natural world
that's all around us, our internal terrain of our
thoughts. Many of us have subconscious
trains of thought that we pickedup in our early childhood, and
we often aren't even unconsciousor aware of those thoughts.
(06:16):
And they have a primary impact on our state of health and
Wellness and longevity. And so from a practical
standpoint, there are many different ways to look at the
body from a quantum biological perspective, mitochondrial
function, circadian medicine, our light environment, bio field
(06:39):
therapies, the world of electromagnetic frequency.
Looking at the body as an electric being more so than a
chemical being. You know, we are trillions and
trillions of cells and each one of those cells is completing at
least hundreds of thousands of tasks each second.
(07:00):
And the current model that we have describing a chemical
reaction, chemical diffusion or a physical lock and key model
don't explain. They're just mathematically
impossible to explain what's happening in the body.
And that's where this idea of frequency comes in.
(07:20):
And, and frequency is really just vibration, right, The wave
of an electrical field or the spectrum of light.
So there are many practical waysthat we can sort of explore if
we want and, and they come underthose headings of light,
environment, circadian medicine,bio field therapies, looking at
(07:44):
the body from an electrical standpoint and how that really
effects health. And and those are just a few,
right? Yeah, absolutely.
Can we start with light? Let's talk about light first,
because I think that's that's that's the one that people can
most relate to and most understand the the good and the
bad. Let's talk about first of all,
like the, the, the good impact of the necessary light.
(08:06):
Like let's talk about the sun, the outside light and light
environment that is important for our health and why why it's
so important. Yeah, absolutely.
The light that we have evolved with is the rising and setting
of the sun, right? When you look at every ancient
indigenous culture, they have a practice, a reverence in a
(08:28):
relationship with the sunrise, with the setting of the sun,
with the seasonal cycles. And it was 2017 that 3 Nobel,
well, three researchers were awarded the Nobel Prize for
their work in chronobiology. And that's just a big word for
how light impacts life. And what they found is that
(08:52):
living systems, including our body, are made-up of circadian
genes. Almost every single cell in our
body has a circadian clock. That means that the light in our
environment is triggering our biological cascades.
Whether we're talking about hormones, metabolism, our
(09:14):
inflammatory state, our neurotransmitters, and every
biological action, cardiovascularly respiratory,
our digestive system, our detoxification organs, all of
these things are triggered by the light in our environment.
And we are meant to be in a relationship with the natural
(09:36):
circadian rhythm of the sun. Circadian is that time period of
roughly 24 hours where the sun is rising, it's up in the sky,
it sets, and then there's that period of darkness at night.
And when we align with that rhythm, our biology is balanced.
(09:58):
So when we wake up in the morning and we go outside and
see the morning sun, that sets up the release of cortisol.
Pregnenolone sets the stage for our hormonal balance and
cascades. It sets up our neurological
balance and function with neurotransmitters like dopamine
(10:19):
and serotonin. Cortisol is our sort of master
inflammatory hormone that sets up so much of the backdrop of
what's happening in our body, and it sets up our metabolic
function. And so just that morning light,
just getting outside, being in the natural light.
(10:42):
And so many people ask me, well,do I have to look at the sun?
Like, what if I'm in the shade? It's just natural light, right?
If you were outside, you are completely enveloped in natural
light. I'm here in the Pacific
Northwest. We don't actually see the sun
for months in the winter, but weare still exposed to a very
(11:03):
broad spectrum of light when we go out inside, even on a dark,
cloudy, dreary day, Right, That natural light, yes, absolutely.
It's if I had my spectrometer in, I'm inside right now with a
couple sliding glass doors open.We would see that if everything
was shut. The artificial light that I have
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in here, it's just a very narrowspectrum, a visible light.
When I go outside again, even ifit's cloudy and dreary, that
spectrum is going become so muchwider and it's going to become
much more intense. O If you think of light as
nutrition, we are getting the most processed high fructose
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corn syrup to. McDonald's.
Right. To McDonald's of light.
Yes, right. Doctor Kathy, what you're saying
is even if, if you, even if you can't be outdoors, but if you
open a light or open a door or asliding door or a window, then
you're getting that full spectrum of light inside.
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It's like. Because people ask.
That all the time, like, you know, what do I do if I can't be
outdoors or for people who don'tsee the sun for many months,
like in your location and peopleare saying, but then what's the
point of going outside? But apparently it's very
important still to go outside. Yes, you don't actually.
Need to see the sun in order to have the the beneficial effects
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of being outdoors. Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I always kind of referto it as we talk about fish in
water and fish not recognizing that they're swimming in water.
They, you know, and we're sort of like those fish in a sea of
light. We often think of like a a torch
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or a flashlight or a spotlight and just that circle of
illumination is where that lightis.
But that's not true. Those photons are bouncing
around everywhere. So if I'm sitting in a room and
I crack a window to let natural light in, it's not just where
that light is coming in and shining that holds that
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information that's bouncing throughout the room.
Those photons are are active anddancing and we are enveloped in
that light environment wherever we are.
And so like you said, going outside, even if it's not a
beautiful summer day, is still such a nutrient rich experience
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for our biology. It's setting up so many
different biological cascades that are so important for our
health. And I think it's important to
realize that it isn't just the beautiful tropical sun, which is
wonderful, don't get me wrong, but it's any natural light.
It's just getting outside. And the same goes throughout the
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day. So if we can take natural light
breaks throughout the day, let'ssay we have a work environment
that we need to be inside for taking a 15 minute break
outside, eating our lunches outside, those have such a
powerful impact on our biology that many of us don't realize
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that are guiding what's happening in our body.
It's amazing when you think about it, how detached we are
from the circadian rhythm, from the sun, because I've introduced
these concepts to clients of mine.
And one thing is very interesting.
They often don't even understandthat the sunrise comes at a
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different time every day. You know, so they'll get up when
they get up and they think they'll just expose themselves
and, and they don't recognize that, well, the sun is actually
rising or the earth is turning on its axis in such a way that
the sunrise will occur at different times of day.
So it, it really is amazing, I think, how much we as a
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civilization have just lost connection with that natural
force of life, right? And So what, what then?
You're saying sunrise, of course, is the most important
time for people to start exposing themselves to the sun
during the day. Is that correct?
And you mentioned going out at other times of the day.
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So what other times of the day would also be optimal for
people? Great question.
So that sunrise is rich in red and infrared light.
It's really soothing for our nervous system.
It helps balance those adrenal hormones.
And then as the sun starts to rise within a couple hours of
sunrise, we're starting to get all those biological cues we
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talked about with hormones and metabolism.
Then as the sun starts to rise and gets to sort of that peak at
noon and and noon, solar noon, like you mentioned is at
different times throughout the day.
So yeah, yes, I mean, throughoutthe season, right.
And that there's that on a Lima that happens with the sun
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throughout the year, this beautiful dance.
So that time is changing, but when the sun is at its peak,
that also tells our body like, OK, we need to be at high
metabolism, we need to start doing this in the immune system.
And then as the sun starts to godown South from that solar noon
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to sunset, we see that the opposite happens, right?
So the first spectrum to leave is that UVB that starts to lower
and disappear as the sun starts going down, just like it starts
to appear around 11 AM, 10 AM, around noon, depending on where
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you are, what time of year it is.
But that starts to leave the spectrum of light that is
available to us, ultraviolet A starts to disappear.
And then we're left again with that red and infrared light of
sunset and what that does at each period throughout the day
when we go outside, it reinforces that circadian
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rhythm. It tells our body, OK, this is
what time it is, this is where we are, and it reinforces what's
going to happen 12/14/16 hours later in the body.
So getting that AM sunlight is one of the best things we can do
for a good night's sleep. And it's not the first thing we
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think of, right? Because it helps us feel
energized and alert and we have dopamine and cortisol and we're
ready to go. And, and that's true, but it's
setting up the cycle for melatonin to be released when
the sun goes down, when we're indarkness.
And melatonin is our master antioxidant incident.
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I mean, it is reinforcing over 250 different biological
cascades. It's really a dominant player in
biology and it is reinforcing that deep restorative sleep.
So we've been talking about functions that are getting us
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up, getting our metabolism moving, getting our brain
functioning, our mood balance. What's happening in darkness as
that sunsets and as we move intothe dark hours of the night is
that we are stimulating autophagy and eight, apoptosis
where the body is either recycling or just getting rid of
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cells that are damaged and dysfunctional.
And we want that. We want this clean system.
We want those dysfunctional cells to be removed out of the
system so that we're operating with healthy functional cells.
And there's a lot of different biological actions that are
happening. So when we look at that 1st of
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immune action, immune system action that happens with morning
light, we have to have those cells online for that to happen.
And those cells are being produced in those night hours,
in those hours of darkness. Same with our metabolism.
Those biological conversations that we have in our body with
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metabolism, with insulin, with leptin, those things are
happening in darkness. So anytime we go outside,
anytime we align with the natural rhythm of the sun in our
environment, wherever we are living at the time, is a
wonderful way to reinforce. A healthy metabolism, immune
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system, hormonal balance, just the overall function of the
body. And many of us live in a modern
situation with modern lighting, all the conveniences to stay up
a little bit later to watch shows, to get some work done on
our laptop or our phones. And just that interference with
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the natural rhythm of our circadian alignment with the sun
can have powerful adverse negative effects on our biology.
So moving to something like bluelight blocking devices, apps for
our devices, moving to somethinglike this salt lamp that I have
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behind us, moving to more red, more orange tone lights and
moving them lower in the horizon.
So turning off the overhead lights and moving them lower to
stimulate and reinforce what we would find in our natural
environment, right? That setting sun or a fire that
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is keeping us warm and lighting up our environment.
Those things don't block the release of that pineal melatonin
and we are still able to have all those different things that
we've been talking about. So be mindful of that as the sun
goes down and we enter, those hours of darkness can be really
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important. It's very interesting what
you're saying because a lot of people don't realize that if
they're trying to lose weight orbalance their hormones, they
just don't make the connection that maybe you're exercising,
you think you're eating right, you're doing all the right
things, but you can't lose weight, you need HRT because you
can't balance your hormones and you can't sleep.
And nobody looks at light as theculprit, the lack of natural
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light and all this toxic light indoors.
And you know, when you go see a specialist, I just came from a
retreat and they were, it was a Wellness retreat.
Nobody talked about light, Nobody talked about quantum
biology. Everyone was drinking their
green juices. We were doing yoga inside during
UVA rise. I was horrified.
It was insane. And you know, I was sitting
there talking to everyone about quantum biology and they were
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like shocked that nobody, if this is a Wellness retreat, why
are we not talking about these things?
So you don't really find this information anywhere.
And people are struggling and they're going to these places
trying to lose weight, drinking their green juice.
But they didn't lose anything during, after a week of, you
know, paying like €3000 to be there drinking their green
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juices. And at the end of the week,
there's no weight loss. Like, how frustrating is that?
But nobody tells them about the other part.
That is much more important thanI would think.
Would you agree with this that it's more important than food,
the nutrition you're getting from the light outside?
Yeah. I think that that biological
action or perspective really sets the backdrop for all the
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food and the chemical interventions.
They aren't going to work if that part isn't in place
already. Definitely.
And I think also just to add on to that, I think the energetic
perspective of our nervous system.
So I've seen lots of people thatare doing the light, are doing
the exercise and still not losing weight or feeling well.
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And it's because their nervous system is in that state of fight
or flight danger and it's doing its best to keep them alive,
right? And so those energetic states of
our light environment, of our internal thoughts and
consciousness, those things havesuch a powerful influence on our
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biology. And all we're talking about,
like you said, is food. So everything it's, it points to
how everything is frequency or vibration, absolutely
everything, as you say, from, you know, food, the sun, our
thoughts, everything. And I think the, the key that
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message I'm getting is if we payattention to it on that level,
if that's the framework on whichwe, we think about all that we
do in the day is all about frequency.
I think all of this seems very easy really in many ways.
Once you understand what the frequencies of light do, what
the frequencies of artificial light do, sunlight, artificial
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light, the frequencies of our own bodies, that the level of
health in our bodies, that's allfrequency, etcetera, etcetera.
Then then if we think about our lives in that way, it's all
frequency. It seems to me it would be more
natural and easy to implement all of these, you know, changes,
right. We would understand that, you
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know, food has a certain frequency, but that frequency is
not has to be supported by sunlight exposure, etcetera.
When when we think then about frequencies like what are some
of the frequencies that would bereally important to avoid or
minimize? Like you've pointed out, you
know, artificial light in, in our environments, but what are
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all the, the frequencies that weshould minimize or avoid?
Great question. So like you just said, we
mentioned artificial light and there's that artificial
electromagnetic frequency of Wi-Fi that's around us or just
electromagnetic fields in general, right?
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So if we've got those smart meters, if we're living right
next to a electrical pole, especially the really high ones
with their, oh, I'm forgetting what those little things are on
top. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the.
High voltage ones, yeah, that that is, I think a lot of people
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don't realize that our cells communicate with electromagnetic
fields. So our cells create their own
electromagnetic field and changes in that are what guide
cell behavior, cell migration and movement, even cell
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differentiation, how a cell becomes an ear or an elbow
that's guided by the electromagnetic field of the
cells. And when you we are inundated
with these unnatural electromagnetic fields, then
that gets very chaotic. And the body is beautiful and
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intelligent and it is used to chaos, right?
If you think about trillions of cells, which I mean, what are we
talking about? Quadrillions of mitochondria?
I mean, it just gets to this level where we can't even fathom
the amount of activity that's happening in the body.
And the body is good at picking out dominant signals and
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listening to those and using those to guide biology.
But when we start introducing these non natural
electromagnetic fields, it can become chaotic.
And So what are some of the things we can do?
We can go wired, we can unplug that router, we can use Ethernet
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or other methods to wire our computers, our laptops, our
phones, even our TV's. I my router is outside and I
unplug it every evening and before I plug it in in the
morning, I am going outside and putting my bare feet on the
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ground. Grounding or earthing is a
wonderful way to balance and recalibrate that electrical
charge in the body. There is a sea of negative
electrons. Well, electrons are negative,
right? A sea of free electrons.
The Earth is negatively charged at its surface, and when we put
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our bare feet, when we put our body, when we put our hands on a
tree or anything that's embeddedin this negative surface charge
of the earth, it helps recalibrate that negative charge
of the body. Our cells run on a negative
charge, and it influences so much of a cell's function, the
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cell's health and its lifespan, its longevity.
And a lot of people don't think of that, right?
We think of chemical ways to make ourselves healthy,
antioxidants and all these things we've been hearing about
for years, which can be wonderful, but they aren't
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always addressing the electricalcharge of the cell.
And that is what we see as beingthe determining factor for how
healthy that cell is, how well it functions.
And earthing is a wonderful way to do that.
So unplugging that router at night, putting our phone on
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airplane mode, putting it in another room when we sleep,
going wired, those are wonderfulways to give the body that
chance to recalibrate and earthing our grounding is
another way that can help replenish that negative charge
that's so vital for our biology and health.
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What do you think about grounding tools to be used
inside? I know the best thing obviously
is to go outside and ground outside, but a lot of people,
again, with living in colder climates and they can't really
physically touch the earth for like 6 months out of the year.
I mean, of course touching a tree is just as good or touching
a rock and it doesn't have to bea long time, correct?
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But what about using grounding pads or sleeping on grounding
pads inside? What do you think about those?
I think that they can be helpful, but like you mentioned,
there is no substitute for that relationship we have with the
world around us. And that can look like setting
up wooden chairs around a fire. If we are in climates where it's
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too cold to touch the ground, right, We can sit on something
that can conduct that electricity and wood can to some
extent. I get that same question.
Well, I live in this urban. Center.
Or whatever you know, yeah, or somewhere that's covered in
concrete, right and. And people say, well, what about
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that? Well, the concrete still does
conduct some electrons, right? It's really hard to shield the
Earth's electrical charge completely.
So finding some way to do that. But if that isn't always
feasible, then yeah, I do think that grounding products can be
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or devices, mats can be helpful with the caveat that we're not
using it to replace our relationship because going back
to what we were talking about with the spectrum of light and
how that frequency is so help helpful, the same thing we can
find with our relationship with the natural world.
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So beyond that negative electrical charge, beyond that
ability to help bolster and reinforce our circadian rhythm,
our electrical charge, the natural world around us offers
this relationship of safety. And I think so many of us these
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days are lacking in that sense of safety, that sense of
belonging. Sometimes our workplaces don't
feel safe. The commute even to work doesn't
feel safe in traffic. We're in this constant fight or
flight. Sometimes our relationships, our
families are lacking in that sense of deep safety and
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belonging. And the natural world holds
that. The sun rises every morning, no
matter what you did yesterday, it will still greet you and kiss
you with its rays, right? The the ground will always be
there to hold you, the trees will always be there to embrace
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you. And that safety adds another
layer that a grounding device can't.
So yes, I, I think they can be helpful, but I don't think
anything can replace our relationship with the natural
world. And I really think that we're at
a time in history where we are being called back into
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relationship with the natural world, where that is really
foundational to our health, to the planet's health, to this
whole continuum of energy and healing that really needs to
happen and be respected and nurtured.
Yeah, I, I can absolutely relateto that.
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And I feel this. I feel this shift happening.
And you know, when you're out innature, the way you feel, my
parents always say this because they walk a lot.
They're always in the mountains and everything.
And they always say when you're out in nature, you cannot have a
negative thought. And isn't that so true?
Like you're walking in the forest and I just did some
amazing hiking and everything during the retreat.
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You cannot, you cannot think of politics or any of the BS that's
going on in the world. You're just like, you're just in
harmony. You're like your nervous system
is regulated and you're at peace.
And people don't understand thisuntil they get out there and
actually do it. But This is why people feel so
amazing when they go on vacation.
You know, they're grounding, they're on the beach or they're
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in the mountains, they're in thesea.
But they they think they feel sogreat because they're not
working. But it's much deeper than that.
Yeah, Yeah, it is much deeper than that.
It's one of those primary relationships that we've really
walked away from in modern day life.
And if we think of it as our first mother, really our first
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family is that natural world, then we start to comprehend, oh,
wow, you know, some people talk about, well, I haven't called my
mom in a couple weeks and oh, geez, it's like, well, you
haven't communed with your natural family for, you know,
even longer. And, and that really takes a
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primary role in, in our health. And I think so many people are
feeling that this lack of belonging, this lack of safety.
And I'll tell you, I haven't seen a patient in my 18 years of
practice that didn't have a lackof safety, that didn't have a
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sense of not belonging, right. There is such a huge component
to this feeling of safety. Our cells can't repair, they
can't heal if they don't feel safe.
And, and there's a whole nervoussystem sort of component to
that. But just Simply put, our cells
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have to feel safe to repair and heal.
And it's foundational to our health.
Makes a lot of sense. Doctor Catherine, can can we
talk? Sorry, Lucille.
I just wanted to ask about vitamin D before we move on from
light because I think that's important to cover.
So we get vitamin D when UVB is present from sunlight, right?
So it's a little bit later in the day.
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And why is it important? How do we get the best exposure?
How much time do we need? Of course, we need to put the
sunscreen on 1st, right? Then there are sunglasses before
we go outside. That's really important for
everybody. To remember, right?
We're joking. Yeah, no, that's a great point.
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Vitamin D is called a vitamin, but it's really a hormone and
it's impacting, again, so many different biological actions.
When I teach quantum biology, I try to break it up into modules.
OK, we're going to talk about this, but what what happens is
it's like we're just talking about different parts of the
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tapestry because everything is so interconnected.
And we see the same thing with vitamin D.
It impacts our immune system, our metabolic health, our
hormones. All of these different things
are impacted by the state of vitamin D And we were talking
about the light in our environment and how the sunrise
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happens at different times throughout the year and that on
a Lima that the sun does throughout a 365 day year.
The beautiful thing about it is for someone living where I do in
the Pacific Northwest and we don't get that sun throughout
the winter. It's it appeared a month or two
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ago sporadically, but it's it's behind clouds most of the year.
And what's beautiful about getting that springtime sun,
getting that summer sun, gettingsome of that fall sun before the
sun falls too close to the horizon and UVB disappears, is
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that we are cultivating this rich store of vitamin D, and our
fat stores can store this vitamin D.
And so when we go out in the sunand we expose our skin when our
eyes are able to match the lightin our environment with the
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light on our skin, a lot of people don't realize that our
skin is probably the biggest endocrine organ, the biggest
organ in charge of hormones thatthere is.
We talk about glands, the adrenal gland and and the
ovaries and all these different things throughout the body that
influence and secrete hormones. And that's true.
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But our skin is a huge player inour endocrine system, in our
hormonal system. And when light enters our eyes,
it goes back, concentrates on that thin layer of cells in the
back of the eye, the retina. And there are proteins in the
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cells of the retina, melanopsin that are sensitive to light in
the environment. And it can tell you it's sort of
that circadian detector, right? It's sensitive to blue and
ultraviolet light. And that is communicated to the
suprachiasmatic nucleus in the hypothalamus and then that the
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SCN, that master circadian clockcommunicates that to all the
different cells in our body, allthose peripheral circadian
clocks. The skin has the same thing.
There are options on the skin and when we are in the sun and
how much sun we need. So dependent on where we are,
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what our skin type is, how much melanin and tolerance we have to
the sun. It, it really is individual.
So, you know, I think my husband, I think it was the end
of January, there were a couple days where the sun came out.
There was no ultraviolet B because of where I am, but I'm
still outside. I am sunbathing.
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It's like 45° or 42° but I'm outthere starting to work on my
melanin content. Because we can work on that even
when the UVB presence isn't available.
And starting to build up those stores of melanin, starting to
build up those stores of vitaminD dependent again individually
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on where you are and, and what individually your constitution
is. It builds these stores of
vitamin D. And then the beautiful thing is
we talked about the difference in sunrise and sunset.
So here where I'm at, the sun will set in the winter at 5:00
PM and it doesn't come up again till almost 8:00 in the morning.
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And what that does is it opens up this enormous window for me
to harvest melatonin, right? We talked about when the sun
goes down and those dark hours happen, then our pineal gland is
releasing melatonin and going tobed earlier in the winter time.
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Spending more time in darkness, sleeping longer allows me to
harvest really more melatonin. And there's a direct
relationship between our melatonin and our vitamin D.
So if we are out in those springand summer months getting safe
sun exposure, getting adequate vitamin D levels and vitamin D
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conversion, then that vitamin D will do this dance with
melatonin. So if we are not staying up
late, if we're respecting that rhythm in the winter time and
getting more melatonin, it'll make those vitamin D stores last
throughout the winter. So we hear a lot of times like,
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OK, it's winter time supplement with vitamin D, you're going to
lose all your vitamin D. Well, there's this beautiful
system and relationship happening between the seasons
and the seasons of sunlight and getting that vitamin D
conversion and building those stores in the body, and then
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going into those darker winter months and maintaining those
stores with melatonin and that active cultivation of melatonin
in the body. It's just such a beautiful
system, so intelligent. Yeah, it's amazing how the the
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sun is like, I've I've heard this analogy before and it is so
perfect that the sun is like theconductor of an orchestra.
And you know, all of members of the orchestra are in our body,
right? We have trillions and trillions
of orchestra players. So it just, it just boggles the
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mind how this is so beautifully synchronized.
Like there's when people say, well, there's no God, there's no
consciousness, there's no higherconsciousness in any of this.
I cannot understand that becausethere is such a genius of
consciousness that that is, you know, creating this and keeping
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it going day in and day out, in moment by moment.
It's just amazing. Yeah, It really does reinforce
this practice of awe. Like, I love the research.
I love trying to figure out what's happening, to answer
questions. But sometimes I get to a point
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where I'm like, you know, I think this is all just a
practice in awe, that I am supposed to just be in awe of
all the miracles that are aroundus because you can see them
everywhere you look. It's just incredible.
And here we are. Just random accidents, right?
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The Big Bang stuff and then and here we are.
Here we are. Everything, Yeah.
Could you tell us then about thewater?
We know that there's something magical about the water in our
bodies, and it's not what most people are taught.
I certainly was not taught anything about water, really.
The the what we know now about water when I was going to
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medical school, it's just like light years of a head of what
you know, I certainly was taughtand what most people believe
about the water in our bodies. So can you tell us a little bit
more about that? Yes, the water water's so
incredible, we could just spend weeks here talking about water,
right? But researchers for over a
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century have been theorizing about a different phase of
liquid water. So we're used to talking about
solid ice, that phase of water, a gaseous phase, steam vapor,
and then liquid water that we drink.
But like I said, for over a century, many researchers have
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been theorizing about a different phase of liquid water,
sort of a plasma phase. And it was in the early 2000s
that Professor Gerald Pollack and his team out of the
University of Washington first identified, were able to
actually point to a different phase of liquid water.
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And Pollack termed this exclusion zone water.
He was studying since hydrophilic or water loving
surfaces. So these surfaces allow water to
come right up to the surface. They don't repel it away.
And when water comes to the surface, something incredible
happens. It changes structure, it becomes
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more gel like, it becomes more viscous.
And as one sheet of this easy liquid crystal water forms, it
acts as a template for more layers to form.
And what Professor Pollack and his team found was that it's
infrared energy that builds thatzone of liquid crystal water.
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And what he saw, he is the one that really proposes that it
takes a hexagonal shape. This lattice formation looks
almost like a honeycomb. And as this honeycomb lattice
form of water starts to build against a hydrophilic surface,
it pushes out a positively charged hydrogen or proton.
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Now this water, this easy liquidcrystal water is negatively
charged. And we talked about how
important a negative charge is for our health, for our cells,
their function, their longevity.And as this negatively charged
water builds against the surfaceof a water loving.
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He was at the time studying Nafion, but then he turned his
sights to cellulose that we findin plants or collagen that we
find in the human body. Our cell membranes are
hydrophilic or water loving. Our fascia is hydrophilic or
water loving. And as this negatively charged
easy water starts to build, it pushes out a positively charged
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hydrogen and creates what researchers are calling a proton
rich zone or a proton wire. And So what you see is this
separation of charge, where there's this positively charged
zone of water right outside of this negatively charged easy
liquid crystal water. And that separation of charge,
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just like the separation of charge in a 9 Volt battery is
enough to power and create potential energy.
What Pollock and his team did was they actually put an
electrode in the negatively charged water, one in the
positively charged water, and itwas enough.
It created enough potential energy to light a light bulb, an
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LED light bulb, absolutely incredible.
So this water within us does a few things.
It imparts that valuable vital negative electrical charge.
It creates a separation of charge with the positively
charged water right outside of it, creating that water battery,
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so to speak. And it also creates this
repository of free electrons. And there's a way to look at the
body as an electrical being. And any disease, pain,
inflammation can be seen as a deficiency in electrons or
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negative charge. We hear a lot about oxidative
damage, right? This is causing oxidative damage
leading to neurological disease or cardiovascular disease or
whatever it might be. When we look at it and kind of
simplify it, oxidation is the need for electrons, it's the
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deficiency in electrons and re reduction.
Redox potential is the abundanceof electrons, so we can look at
health and disease as whether wehave enough electrons in the
body. And this water, the specialized
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easy liquid crystal water, also holds these electrons that can
potentially be shuttled throughout the body to quench
inflammation and pain. Just absolutely incredible.
And like you said, certainly notsomething we learned about in
school. So basically we are liquid
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crystal batteries powered by thesun.
Yeah, powered by the sun, powered by movement.
Movement. By grounding, snuggling.
That's one of my favorite ways to build infrared energy.
Yeah. Tell us about snuggling well.
Infrared energy is what has beenshown to build that easy liquid
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crystal water. And of course the sun is our
biggest source of infrared energy.
Even in the shade. The shade When we go out, even
in the shade, we're completely enveloped in infrared energy.
But infrared energy is abundant in saunas.
Warm baths. Movement creates infrared
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energy. Snuggling.
So when we cozy up with a loved one or a pet, when we put a
blanket over ourselves and a loved one and we create a little
more heat, that infrared energy is what we're talking about.
And I can't think of AI think all those ways are such
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beautiful ways, right? Snuggling, a warm bath, going
outside, all of those things, they're just beautiful, easy,
accessible ways to influence ouroverall health.
So then we can create this beautiful liquid matrix
(51:37):
crystalline water in ourselves largely by sun exposure.
Is that what you're saying? But I've also heard people say,
well, drink this water. Everybody's.
You know, there's so many water companies now that have this
water that they claim will create more structured water in
our bodies. So can you comment on that?
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Yes, I'll comment on that and here's my understanding of it.
That process where water comes up to a water loving hydrophilic
surface and that structure change happens, that negative
charge comes into play creating that positively charged zone.
That whole process is an environmental process.
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And when we drink what these companies are terming structured
water with the idea that we drink, that it goes in and
creates that structured water, Ithink there's a misunderstanding
there. And I think a better way to
understand that is that water can hold energy.
(52:43):
So First off, if a company is claiming that it is creating
energized, structured, sometimesthey say coherent water, then
usually they will have some kindof research to back that up,
right? And that's always nice when a
company does that. Second of all, what we're
talking about is in a glass of water, we can add energy into
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that water, infrared energy. We can put it in the sun, we can
put it in the moonlight, we can put it in the sauna.
We can stir it and vortex it. Some people even propose
intention, conscious intention of approaching a glass of water
with gratitude or a sense of awecan influence the energetic
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content. So when we look at an atom,
right, that periodic table of atoms that make up our world,
there are two states. There's a ground state and an
excited state. And that's just chemistry,
that's just physics. That's how those atoms and
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elements work. The same can be said for water.
And there are many researchers out there, Emilio Dil Gutiche,
Giuliana Preparada, there are many people out there that have
contributed to this field of research called the quantum
electrodynamic theory of water. And that states that when energy
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is put into water, coherent domains are created, these
clusters of excited molecules ofwater.
So when we're drinking this water that's more energized,
more coherent, it can donate that energy, that excitement to
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our body. Is it a one to one equation
where we drink 8 ounces of this energized structured water and
it then goes in and makes that water battery we're talking
about? No, it's not like that.
It is donating energy and there's quite a growing emerging
(55:01):
research evidence and pendulum looking at how structured water
increases the crop yield in agriculture.
Crops are healthier. They need actually less water.
If they're using structured water and they are using
devices, they're using magnets to structure the water.
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There's similar research with animals showing all kinds of
health benefits when structured energized water is used for
livestock. And there are a handful of
research studies out there abouthuman health.
And this is an area which I would love for there to be more
funding, more attention to the impacts of drinking this
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energized, coherent water. Because again, all of these
things we're talking about are easy.
They're free for the most part, and the side effects are pretty
low. I the side effects of drinking a
glass of water with gratitude orstirring it or putting it in the
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sun. We We aren't talking about heavy
duty pharmaceutical interventions or surgical
interventions. We're talking about pretty
minimal side effects, even if this turns out not to be the
case. But there's a growing amount of
evidence pointing to the benefits of structured water.
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So I think there's some nuance there and, and hopefully I
conveyed and explained a little bit of it.
Excellent. Very good.
Yeah, it's very, very interesting.
I mean, there are so many rabbitholes to go down.
Absolutely, Doctor Catherine, ifI like.
This is a lot of information forsomeone new, someone just
starting out. What would be like the three or
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five most important things that people can start doing today to
start implementing in their lives to live the quantum
biology way to to make the biggest impact on their health?
The morning sunlight, right? We might have to start with
that. Yeah, Yeah.
I think we could even just put it under the umbrella of
circadian alignment, right? And then we could say that means
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morning sunlight, natural light breaks throughout the day and
then lowering the lights at night.
I think, I think we can cheat and do that just.
Under one umbrella. Yeah.
So I think that one is is huge. I think cultivating a
relationship with the outside, whether that means earthing,
which is so powerful, whatever that whatever that relationship
(57:42):
can look like anytime we're outside, we are also exposed to
negative ions that can help our biology in a in a multitude of
different ways. But cultivating that
relationship with nature I thinkis another huge foundational
piece of a quantum biological approach to health.
(58:02):
And then I think the third one, it really is creating this
internal coherence, right? So when you look at some of the
early research around quantum biology, they're looking at how
photons move and there's this internal quantum coherence that
has to happen for that photon toreach the photoreactive center
(58:25):
and photosynthesis to occur There is this coherence.
And coherence really just means when two or more things act as
one. When two people dance the tango
or multiple molecules of water form a wave in the ocean that
travels, it's this working together back to that idea like
(58:47):
you were saying about the Symphony and how a body, a
healthy body is all these different parts working together
to create this mission, this onething.
And I think that working on an internal state of coherence,
whether that's a gratitude practice, whether that's heart
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coherence exercises, whether that's journaling, meditation,
mindfulness, whatever it might be, that brings us that internal
coherence, a self love practice,mantras, whatever it looks like,
I think that is also extremely important when we're talking
(59:31):
about a quantum biological approach to hell.
I love how you keep bringing everything back to dancing, how
everything's dancing together and, and, and it's just so
beautiful. That movement is life.
So it makes so much. That's so much sense.
Doctor Catherine, please tell our listeners where they can
find you, where they can, where they can learn more about you.
(59:51):
Tell us about your new quantum biology program that you have.
Oh, yes, absolutely. Well, I'm Doctor Catherine
Clinton. That's the name of my website.
I have lots of free resources. That's where you can find me on
social media, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook.
And last year we launched the Quantum Biology Health Institute
(01:00:14):
and we have one arm of the institute that does a training
program and the other arm of theinstitute does research.
And we now are just embarking onour first research study looking
at the impacts of heart coherence exercises on
mitochondrial function. So I'm really excited about
(01:00:35):
that. And you can find us at
quantumbiologyhealthinstitute.org.So thank you so much for having
me on today. That's absolutely wonderful.
We will link everything below sopeople can easily find you.
We appreciate your time so much and we love your Instagram page.
We are huge fans, as you know, and hopefully everyone else will
(01:00:57):
go and follow you and learn moreabout this incredible feel
that's going to truly impact andchange our lives forever.
Yeah. And we've just barely scratched
the surface here, so I'm sure wecan have you back to go a little
bit deeper into each one of these areas.
That would be fascinating. We would love to absolutely
thank you I. Would love them, I would love
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them. Thank.
You, Doctor Catherine, thank you.
We appreciate you so much. Thank you.
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