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Can a single emotional breakdown change the course of your life? Join us as Anita shares the heartfelt and challenging journey that led us to leave the United States and reconsider our future. We recount the critical moments and personal awakenings that caused us to take a leap of faith. From the temporary haven provided by Eric's dad in Oklahoma to the promising yet ultimately unsuitable job placement in Utah, Anita's realization became the catalyst for envisioning a new path. This episode delves into the profound impact of listening to one's heart and the courage it takes to pivot toward a more fulfilling direction.
Here is the meditation that Anita tried to have this realization. By Rising Higher
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In the latter half, we reflect on our return to Taiwan and the transformative power of reconnecting with roots. Embracing a holistic, community-oriented lifestyle, we highlight the stark contrast between the cultural norms of the United States and the deep familial bonds in Taiwan. Discover how these experiences shaped our vision for Taiwanica and inspired us to expand our team and enhance our digital presence. As we move back to Taiwan in September, we invite listeners in the Taichung area to connect and join us in this exciting new chapter. Please tune in for insights, personal stories, and an invitation to be part of our evolving journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is episode 90, talking about Taiwanica's
biggest escape plan.
Hello everybody, my name isAnita.
Long time no see you guys, andtoday is not a solo episode
anymore.
We have our very special andshiny host today.
(00:21):
Let's welcome Eric Matthews.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, hello everybody.
I'm sure you're used to hearingmy voice, since you've heard it
for a little while, but it's sogood to hear Anita's voice once
again, and not only that, butto be together once more.
Oh, darling, yes.
So now that we are here, wehave a big set of news that we
(00:47):
want to share with you all forTaiwanica's future and today's
episode.
But before we dive in, anitareally wants to share some of
the highlights.
What are those highlights?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
those highlights will be personal awakenings and
personal realization about life,backgrounds and past.
Hence why we make this escapeplan and also we would like to
(01:20):
describe our vision forTaiwanica in the future.
So today is going to be a veryprofound, yet fun, yet
meaningful episode for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, and if you really want to check out all the
details about what we'retalking about, we have been
adding a blog recently to ourpodcast, so you can check that
out in the link in thedescription below at
ericandanitacom, as well astranscripts.
So if you are a reader, you cancheck that out there as well,
right, yeah?
So we're going to go ahead anddive on in today, because it's a
(01:54):
really important message.
We are leaving the UnitedStates.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And that is all being generated because we had some
great spiritual realizationsthat I think Anita wants to
share, hers, because that wasthe igniter of everything that
has happened over the last fewmonths.
Anita, go ahead and take itaway.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's got to be a long story.
Everybody sit tight.
Go get water.
Whatever you need for the nextCan.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I get a dumping.
Oh, not yet too.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Too soon, too soon so , um, personal, personally, I
have to, you know, speak formyself for a second.
I have to put uh eric out ofthe picture bye for a while, but
he will still be here.
So a few months ago we have theannouncement that we are going
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to move somewhere else and atthat point of life we me
personally, I'm sorry, mepersonally I was very lost about
where I should go next.
So if I was, you know, if I wasvery lost about personally how
to step out my comfort zone togo to the next step, don't even
(03:11):
mention about the whole ideamoving the whole family to
somewhere else.
And we are.
We were very grateful forEric's dad who has a property
here in Oklahoma.
So he's very generous.
He and the wife and his wifeLisa was very generous in
(03:32):
offering us to stay in theirproperties for a few months
until we figured it out.
And in between we moved heresince May in the beginning of
May, that's right this year andin between, in the beginning of
May, that's right this year andin between we got a job offer
Thanks to Eric.
He did a lot of research andhe's very persuasive.
(03:55):
He persuades the coach, ourleader, leader, coach.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He's one of those names.
Yes, he's kind of like leadercoach.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
He's one of those names.
Yes, he's like kind of likeleader and coach to give us job
to work this company andofficially hired us like coaches
, both for Eric and Anita me.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So that's your name.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What do you think?
I'm like Anna or something.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Anita Inside joke.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
joke want to know more, find out later anyways.
So we were very excited, wewere psyched about, you know,
this job and we, we, we loved it.
Um, we started doing this jobever since june and then we were
more, you know, devoted to thisjob and it comes with a sense
of achievement and fulfillmentand we were, like, considered to
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work full-time.
But that requires us to move tothe headquarter, which is
another state.
The state is Utah, and at thatpoint I was like, yeah, this is
probably the highest um career,um, achievement achievement for
(05:14):
for me, because that's what I'vebeen dreaming about me doing,
like run away from taiwan andmake a living outside of the
country, you know, outside of myhometown.
I went to America to be aworker, official worker.
Not only that, I was also doingthe dream job that I've been
(05:37):
wanted to do for so many yearsand we were so excited because
we were like having a plan andstuff slot, looking at houses,
and one day, for whatever reason, I was just having a uh oh, I
(06:03):
had a huge fight with this.
Uh, so sad.
So I went to another room formyself.
Um, I just started crying.
I had no reason.
I based on the situation.
I I knew that wasn't because ofthe fight.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's not because of the fight, definitely not
because I'm innocent you I'm areally good, you just hold your
phone and sit there yes, ma'am,I'm a pretty baby so I was
having a emotional breakdown andall I feel is this pure
(06:41):
heartache, their heartache.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
There's no other ways .
I could find the word, maybebecause I wasn't aware of those
words.
Um exist yet the emotion existshere, but I just feel this pure
heartache.
I feel so sad, my heart hurts.
I have never felt like thisbefore.
And then the next day I toldEric says this is not what I
(07:09):
wanted to do.
And I have been very intuitive.
I have always been a veryintuitive person and that has
already happened a few times inin in my uh life, like when
something is completely wrong,even though it appear
(07:32):
consciously as a you knowwonderful things to do, but my
body will always have therejection reaction you know
sometimes could be my stomach,just, you know, just feeling
sick or some other you knowphysical reaction.
That's my intuitive um signtelling me that's not, that's a
(07:55):
no, don't do that.
So that's why I realized that,hey, this heartache is a red
flag.
It's not just a sign, it's ared flag for me not to do it.
And I have no idea because,like I said at that point, I was
so proud of myself of makingthis far and aries have been.
(08:17):
Eric was a very understandingperson, so that night we had a
really really, really, reallylong walk and we chat and then
what I really want is to go home, meaning taiwan again.
Consciously, it doesn't haveany logic behind that but how
(08:40):
did you realize that?
when I was talking about theidea moving back to taiwan and
eric asked me, like why, whatkind of things that you can do
in taiwan?
And I realized that thing'ssuper simple, which is I wanted
to have my son spending timewith my, my dad.
My dad is, you know, right nowhe's getting older.
(09:02):
Of course, all the parents are,everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's getting old I just got older um oh, I'm older
again.
Now wait for it, you don't needto, I just got older um, you
know, I just this heartache wascoming from.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Uh, my, my, my love for my dad was very deep and I
grew up as a as who I am hasit's all because I have the
foundation between me and my dad.
My dad was a very.
He wasn't very he's not veryeducational, he didn't get to
(09:41):
like schools and stuff, but heis very resourceful, as you said
, who tells you everything youneed to know.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And supportive.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, and supportive in his way.
He's a very quiet man, but youknow, in his way, you know.
So I wanted to be recreated, asyou said, for Kaya as well.
So I just realized, when I wasjust talking about this idea,
when I was admit, I would justwant to go home.
(10:10):
Then I say to eric, I say thisis a huge, huge uh decision to
(10:35):
make.
So please give me a day, uh one, and two days after that I'm
still in this denial, like Idon't know.
I, I really want to.
I really think moving to utah,getting this full-time job, is
really, really the things I'msupposed to be doing.
But every time I think aboutmoving back to taiwan, I have,
(10:57):
you know again, pure joy andrelief.
So I did a meditation.
Um, eric's really good at doingmeditation, that's his
lifestyle.
I, I do meditation too.
We're doing two differentthings and I did this meditation
that help us, help me torealize.
(11:18):
Basically, you just go to yoursubconscious having a
conversation with this spiritualguide.
Um, I had a conversation withthe spiritual guide.
Um, I asked her that there wasa lady.
I asked her like is this theright decision to make?
(11:38):
Is it or am I just trying toescape from the stress or escape
from the responsibility ofbeing the full-time worker here
in the United States?
Or am I escape because I stillhaven't received my green card?
And then she didn't sayanything.
(12:01):
Instead, she gave me two gifts.
So I hold those gifts and Idon't know what the I saw the
gifts.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
What were they?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
The first one was a bunch of seeds, like tree seeds
kind of, and the other is ablade kind of, and the other is
a blade and this blade is like,um you know, they have really
(12:36):
delicate um wooden?
I don't know how to call itcarving, carving, sort of like
art, like this.
Um.
So I was holding those, thosetwo things in my hand, and the
meditation there was a guidedmeditation.
And the voice says just look atthose gifts and let the answer
come to you.
And I sat there, I was like Ihave.
(12:57):
You know, I have zero idea whatthose are for.
And I just sit there and all ofa sudden I heard a voice.
I look at the seed and thevoice that I heard was in order
to go further, you have to goback to your roots and the blade
.
The message was same.
(13:18):
I heard the voice.
The voice said just be thetrailblazer, as you always are.
So those are my huge awakening,a wake-up call, because that's
exactly the same reason why Iresist the idea to move back to
Taiwan.
(13:38):
For this long, I was afraid thiswhole idea that I was trying to
make my life different byleaving, leaving Taiwan to the
USA.
I wanted to make somethingdifferent and this new job
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opportunity, it is what I wantedto.
You know, that's what I alwayswanted.
That's the main reason why Imoved here in the USA.
But I wasn't.
I couldn't go further than thatbecause from the beginning I
was escaped Taiwan to the USA.
So this whole time I thought,if I go back to Taiwan, I was
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escape from USA.
It turns out it wasn't.
It was the beginning.
How I started my journal wasputting my heart in a wrong
intention.
That's why me personally beensuffering so much, you know,
including, uh, the things wementioned about um before, like
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all the cost living in here isvery high.
Uh, you know, it's really hardto do certain things, um, still
also a lot of things we didn'tshare to public.
You know, that's because Ididn't put my heart in the right
intention.
And the other fear for me,moving back to Taiwan, is, you
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know, this is kind of like thesocietal pressure because people
always say, you know, you knowTaiwan doesn't have any chances
for you to develop whatever youwanted to develop, and hence why
a lot of people you know, go todifferent countries to find a
job or, you know, develop their,develop their own personal
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career and stuff like that.
Most, most case are like that,like they, they really can make
different uh, make it differentuh, by doing so.
And we heard a lot of peoplesaying, oh, if someone used to
study or have job and now inanother country and now going
back.
It's because they're you know,they, they fail, they, they have
(15:53):
to run away and flee away fromtheir reality and come back home
.
And turns out that was mybiggest fear.
Um, I don't want it to berecognized, um, by my family, by
society, by even by myself, asa failure because I didn't, you
(16:15):
know, I didn't do the thingsthat I wanted to do.
You know, and that's why theblade was so powerful, because I
have always been thetrailblazer and I don't, I
didn't recognize it, I justalways trying to do the things.
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That's different, because Iwanted to be different before.
That's how I see myself as atrailblazer just do something
different from the most ofpeople are doing.
But now that I realize there hasdeeper meaning to it being a
trailblazer doesn't mean youhave to be always standing long.
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You can also go back to yourhometown to have the connection
being the leader, creatingthings with people.
Again, those are the things Ihave tried my best to run away
from.
I always feel like I don't needfriends, I don't need supports,
I don't need team, I don't needall those things.
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I can do it all by myselfBecause I'm great, I can create
something.
And now that I realize I have togo back, looking for the roots,
finding myself, the connectionwith my own roots, either as my
home town, my home country, myhome, my family, my people, um,
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my friend.
So that's the realization.
And once I realize it, and Ithink I am very grateful for
everything have happened so far,even if wasn't for those, I
wouldn't have this deep, deeprealization, because I was
(18:07):
planning to just run away fromTaiwan for as long as I can,
probably until the day I die.
I would say myself, I said itto myself, I'm never going back.
But this time, because of thoserealization, and I have decided
with Eric that we are both, asa family, going back to Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
What a beautiful story.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's great to see that you have had such a deep
realization about who you wantto become, because it just goes
to show that it's not aninstantaneous process.
Things that you want to do thatyou think in your mind
currently may help you strive toachieve some of those goals and
be able to have some of thethings that you want to have.
(18:59):
But at the same time, whenyou're striving towards those
certain things, other thingsstart to pop up that your mind
just could not even think of,and when those things happen,
you're given new choices and yourealize that all this time
you're following what your mindis thinking about, but when you
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get to real critical moments ofyour life, the best point to
think about is not from yourmind, but it's from your heart,
and that's where intentionreally comes from.
It's a heart choice, not a mindchoice, and so it's more of a
like what do I choose to do?
Rather than what is beingdecided for me based on the
habits that I have and thethought patterns that I've had
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previously, for me based on thehabits that I have and the
thought patterns that I've hadpreviously.
And so hearing your story is aperfect example of that, because
you went through a very bigjourney of going where you
thought would be the right placegoing to the United States,
outside of Taiwan, becausethat's where you wanted to go.
And when you went through thatjourney, you thought about the
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things that you had and what youcould achieve and what was
being offered to you.
You had the opportunities ofliving in the United States, you
had the opportunities to get anew job and you did certain
things while you were livinghere.
But now that you had all thosethings, something else popped up
, something that your heartached for, and that aching was
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there the entire time, but youdidn't listen to it because you
didn't know how.
And now you realize thatwhenever it happens again, and
for everyone who's listening tothis, if you haven't ached in
your heart in a certain aspectof your life, it might be a good
idea to listen to it, and sowhat we'll do is, if you're
interested, we'll add a link inthe description below of the
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same exact meditation that anitadid to listen to her spiritual
guide, so that you too can alsogive it a try and see if you
have something resonate with youabout some sort of aspect of
your life.
But the thing that's reallyimportant here that I want to
share is simply Taiwanica.
We're said in the title of thisepisode to escape from the
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United States, and the thing is,is that we're escaping is
saying we're escaping from thepattern that we created?
And that pattern that wecreated is not only only the
things that we have thought, butalso the pattern that has been
around us in the united states.
(21:30):
There's a pattern about if youkeep on striving and the social
economics, then you will sooneror later be successful.
And this is true if you go andget a job and work full time,
you will sooner or later haveenough money to have the things
that you want.
And when it comes to thisidealism of living the American
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dream, that's something thatpeople want.
But both Anita and I came to therealization that's not what we
want.
The American dream is beautifuland it's worthy to have and
it's suitable for certain peopleout there, especially for
anybody who might be listening.
The american dream might be thething for you, but we realized
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it is not the thing for us andso we thought, well, where's
going to be the place that isfor us and taiwanica and
everyone who's listening to thisright now?
You have been a big supporterin pushing us to move back to
taiwan, because we've realizedthat the people that we really
care about, the people we wantto be around, the environment we
want to be in, the places thatwe want to go, are all in or
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around Taiwan.
That's one of the biggestthings that really has strived
us to make this decision,because Taiwan's great and we
think that the things that weare offering uh are going to be
appreciated and uh understood,based on what we have done so
(22:58):
far.
So I think that's one of thebiggest reasons why I think
moving to Taiwan is, you know,besides what everything Anita
said is going to be just a, youknow, icing on the cake.
You know we're doing thingsthat are great for us
individually, but also foreverybody else as well.
So kind of gives us thisholistic or entire point of view
(23:22):
.
It's not just about what is itfor me anymore, it's about what
is it for me and everyone else,and that's something that I
think we have lost when livingin the United States, because we
were just trying to survive inthis world and we have become
very successful with it, but atthe same time, if we keep on
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going this way in the unitedstates, we would just only be
still what is it for us?
And we're not really focusingon what is it for everybody else
and everybody else that wereally care about.
You know, there's a fewexceptions, but the majority of
them are in or around taiwan.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So that's one of the biggest things I think really
makes Taiwanica so great is thatwe have developed a great
community of all of you allaround those areas, and we're
striving to keep on improvingeveryone who is inspired by the
words that we share yes, so backto the, the one key point that
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I mentioned earlier when I, whenI was sharing the story, which
is the connection that willbring us to the second part,
which is we are, you know, rightnow we just have a lot of
projects in our hands and then,when we go back to Taiwan, we
are going to start our newproject, which is to flourish
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Taiwanica.
So we are going to haveTaiwanica have a really cool
team.
We are going to recruit newmembers, because just the two of
us is not not enough, becausewe, like we mentioned, we have a
lot of things we would like tosay which we were telling you.
We will be telling you guys, um, what are those things?
Uh, but the first thing, thebiggest things, we wanted to
(25:12):
executive executive is To have ateam for our Taiwanica um.
You know, we realized again.
Why are you laughing?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Executive.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's for us.
You know we have great ideas.
We are, you know, enjoy talking, but we need the team to
support us to do to do the worksto make this Taiwanica more
aware, yeah, expansive.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, expansive, to do the works to make this, uh,
taiwanica more aware, yeah,expansive.
Have people have, have peopleknow about it, because we don't
have any idea how to domarketing.
It's just the truth it's justand social media is uh beyond us
.
Uh, we tried and you know itkind of works.
But we know that bringing peoplein who are good at this and who
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like our content and want toalso learn from what we know,
you know it can be a all aroundbeneficial thing for everybody,
because you're helping Taiwanicaexpand and help other people
learn what you have learned here, as well as helping us expand
Taiwanica expand and help otherpeople learn what you have
learned here, as well as helpingus expand Taiwanica to a level
(26:32):
that we just cannot do on ourown yes, so we will be having
those people that we need and soso far we can think about, as
the marketing, maybe a cameraguy, you know, doing the
recording, uh, helping us set upthe camera and do those kind of
things.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So just, um, break the news to everybody.
If you know anybody or who oryou know when you're listening
you're interested in doing thisjob like feel free to contact us
on taiwanica instagram or emailtaiwanicapodcast at gmailcom
right and um, then we'll talkabout what.
How can we create from there?
You know, and today is a big 90uh episode, so, um, we are
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going to have a lot, of, a lotmore 90s to come.
Um, so, uh, yeah, today is justbreaking the news for everybody
we're recruiting new people.
So if you're interested or youknow anybody might want to do
the project, tell them aboutthis information and, you know,
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contact us.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Anita is saying it very humbly and I think it's
adorable, but, in all honesty,taiwanica is at that point where
it's time to make a bigdifference and we want you to do
it.
So if you think you have theability to help a podcast like
ours to expand, you think youhave great.
If you have great ideas thatyou think this would really help
(28:00):
taiwanica to go in the rightdirection, then feel free to
join us.
We want you to be here with us,uh, so come join the team.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
We would love to have you here yes, and we will also
still doing the teaching um.
Right now, we have our website,um arrogantanitacom.
Yep, so we will be having more.
Yeah, we will be having moreclasses online.
(28:31):
We already have a certainamount of students there and now
we wanted to expand it there.
Right now, the thing is westill have the job.
So, even though we didn't turnto uh um, we didn't become the
full-time worker for thiscompany, they are still very,
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very understanding of our lifecircumstances, so we're still
working for those uh, theclients who are from united
states.
So we will need about a fewweeks to figure out our
situation, but in the future,there will be um to figure out
situation and figure out theschedule.
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But in the future, we will behaving a lot of webinars and
speeches and online classesavailable for everybody yeah,
there will be lots of littlethings for you to try.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Once again, all of that will be on ericananitacom,
very easy to find.
You can go there now to checkout our podcast episodes, the
classes that we have availablecurrently, and also any blog
posts.
All our blog posts arecurrently written in English,
and so you can practice yourEnglish by reading those.
(29:46):
Yeah, but there's going to belots of great new things ahead.
Get excited, because this isgoing to be a game changer.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, we're very excited to see you guys.
We are going back to Taiwan inthe beginning of September.
Yeah, surprise.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Next two weeks will be in Taiwan.
We will be living in taichung,uh.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So if you're in that area and you want to meet up,
you can definitely send us amessage too or even you were
just you know, somewhere elseyou could send us, to send us a
message too, of course, ofcourse, right uh, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well, that's it.
So, that being said, yourtaiwanica podcast is going to
get local, so get excited and wewill see you in the next
episode, which will be recordedin taiwan thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Thank you, guys, for tuning in to today's episode and
thank you so much forsupporting us along the way.
We've been very grateful andget excited for more, more fun
episode coming your way.
See you, guys, next time okay,bye.
This is episode 90, talking about Taiwanica's
biggest escape plan.
Hello everybody, my name isAnita.
Long time no see you guys, andtoday is not a solo episode
anymore.
We have our very special andshiny host today.
(00:21):
Let's welcome Eric Matthews.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, hello everybody.
I'm sure you're used to hearingmy voice, since you've heard it
for a little while, but it's sogood to hear Anita's voice once
again, and not only that, butto be together once more.
Oh, darling, yes.
So now that we are here, wehave a big set of news that we
(00:47):
want to share with you all forTaiwanica's future and today's
episode.
But before we dive in, anitareally wants to share some of
the highlights.
What are those highlights?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
those highlights will be personal awakenings and
personal realization about life,backgrounds and past.
Hence why we make this escapeplan and also we would like to
(01:20):
describe our vision forTaiwanica in the future.
So today is going to be a veryprofound, yet fun, yet
meaningful episode for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, and if you really want to check out all the
details about what we'retalking about, we have been
adding a blog recently to ourpodcast, so you can check that
out in the link in thedescription below at
ericandanitacom, as well astranscripts.
So if you are a reader, you cancheck that out there as well,
right, yeah?
So we're going to go ahead anddive on in today, because it's a
(01:54):
really important message.
We are leaving the UnitedStates.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And that is all being generated because we had some
great spiritual realizationsthat I think Anita wants to
share, hers, because that wasthe igniter of everything that
has happened over the last fewmonths.
Anita, go ahead and take itaway.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's got to be a long story.
Everybody sit tight.
Go get water.
Whatever you need for the nextCan.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I get a dumping.
Oh, not yet too.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Too soon, too soon so , um, personal, personally, I
have to, you know, speak formyself for a second.
I have to put uh eric out ofthe picture bye for a while, but
he will still be here.
So a few months ago we have theannouncement that we are going
(02:49):
to move somewhere else and atthat point of life we me
personally, I'm sorry, mepersonally I was very lost about
where I should go next.
So if I was, you know, if I wasvery lost about personally how
to step out my comfort zone togo to the next step, don't even
(03:11):
mention about the whole ideamoving the whole family to
somewhere else.
And we are.
We were very grateful forEric's dad who has a property
here in Oklahoma.
So he's very generous.
He and the wife and his wifeLisa was very generous in
(03:32):
offering us to stay in theirproperties for a few months
until we figured it out.
And in between we moved heresince May in the beginning of
May, that's right this year andin between, in the beginning of
May, that's right this year andin between we got a job offer
Thanks to Eric.
He did a lot of research andhe's very persuasive.
(03:55):
He persuades the coach, ourleader, leader, coach.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
He's one of those names.
Yes, he's kind of like leadercoach.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
He's one of those names.
Yes, he's like kind of likeleader and coach to give us job
to work this company andofficially hired us like coaches
, both for Eric and Anita me.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So that's your name.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What do you think?
I'm like Anna or something.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Anita Inside joke.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
joke want to know more, find out later anyways.
So we were very excited, wewere psyched about, you know,
this job and we, we, we loved it.
Um, we started doing this jobever since june and then we were
more, you know, devoted to thisjob and it comes with a sense
of achievement and fulfillmentand we were, like, considered to
(04:52):
work full-time.
But that requires us to move tothe headquarter, which is
another state.
The state is Utah, and at thatpoint I was like, yeah, this is
probably the highest um career,um, achievement achievement for
(05:14):
for me, because that's what I'vebeen dreaming about me doing,
like run away from taiwan andmake a living outside of the
country, you know, outside of myhometown.
I went to America to be aworker, official worker.
Not only that, I was also doingthe dream job that I've been
(05:37):
wanted to do for so many yearsand we were so excited because
we were like having a plan andstuff slot, looking at houses,
and one day, for whatever reason, I was just having a uh oh, I
(06:03):
had a huge fight with this.
Uh, so sad.
So I went to another room formyself.
Um, I just started crying.
I had no reason.
I based on the situation.
I I knew that wasn't because ofthe fight.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's not because of the fight, definitely not
because I'm innocent you I'm areally good, you just hold your
phone and sit there yes, ma'am,I'm a pretty baby so I was
having a emotional breakdown andall I feel is this pure
(06:41):
heartache, their heartache.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
There's no other ways .
I could find the word, maybebecause I wasn't aware of those
words.
Um exist yet the emotion existshere, but I just feel this pure
heartache.
I feel so sad, my heart hurts.
I have never felt like thisbefore.
And then the next day I toldEric says this is not what I
(07:09):
wanted to do.
And I have been very intuitive.
I have always been a veryintuitive person and that has
already happened a few times inin in my uh life, like when
something is completely wrong,even though it appear
(07:32):
consciously as a you knowwonderful things to do, but my
body will always have therejection reaction you know
sometimes could be my stomach,just, you know, just feeling
sick or some other you knowphysical reaction.
That's my intuitive um signtelling me that's not, that's a
(07:55):
no, don't do that.
So that's why I realized that,hey, this heartache is a red
flag.
It's not just a sign, it's ared flag for me not to do it.
And I have no idea because,like I said at that point, I was
so proud of myself of makingthis far and aries have been.
(08:17):
Eric was a very understandingperson, so that night we had a
really really, really, reallylong walk and we chat and then
what I really want is to go home, meaning taiwan again.
Consciously, it doesn't haveany logic behind that but how
(08:40):
did you realize that?
when I was talking about theidea moving back to taiwan and
eric asked me, like why, whatkind of things that you can do
in taiwan?
And I realized that thing'ssuper simple, which is I wanted
to have my son spending timewith my, my dad.
My dad is, you know, right nowhe's getting older.
(09:02):
Of course, all the parents are,everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's getting old I just got older um oh, I'm older
again.
Now wait for it, you don't needto, I just got older um, you
know, I just this heartache wascoming from.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Uh, my, my, my love for my dad was very deep and I
grew up as a as who I am hasit's all because I have the
foundation between me and my dad.
My dad was a very.
He wasn't very he's not veryeducational, he didn't get to
(09:41):
like schools and stuff, but heis very resourceful, as you said
, who tells you everything youneed to know.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And supportive.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, and supportive in his way.
He's a very quiet man, but youknow, in his way, you know.
So I wanted to be recreated, asyou said, for Kaya as well.
So I just realized, when I wasjust talking about this idea,
when I was admit, I would justwant to go home.
(10:10):
Then I say to eric, I say thisis a huge, huge uh decision to
(10:35):
make.
So please give me a day, uh one, and two days after that I'm
still in this denial, like Idon't know.
I, I really want to.
I really think moving to utah,getting this full-time job, is
really, really the things I'msupposed to be doing.
But every time I think aboutmoving back to taiwan, I have,
(10:57):
you know again, pure joy andrelief.
So I did a meditation.
Um, eric's really good at doingmeditation, that's his
lifestyle.
I, I do meditation too.
We're doing two differentthings and I did this meditation
that help us, help me torealize.
(11:18):
Basically, you just go to yoursubconscious having a
conversation with this spiritualguide.
Um, I had a conversation withthe spiritual guide.
Um, I asked her that there wasa lady.
I asked her like is this theright decision to make?
(11:38):
Is it or am I just trying toescape from the stress or escape
from the responsibility ofbeing the full-time worker here
in the United States?
Or am I escape because I stillhaven't received my green card?
And then she didn't sayanything.
(12:01):
Instead, she gave me two gifts.
So I hold those gifts and Idon't know what the I saw the
gifts.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
What were they?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
The first one was a bunch of seeds, like tree seeds
kind of, and the other is ablade kind of, and the other is
a blade and this blade is like,um you know, they have really
(12:36):
delicate um wooden?
I don't know how to call itcarving, carving, sort of like
art, like this.
Um.
So I was holding those, thosetwo things in my hand, and the
meditation there was a guidedmeditation.
And the voice says just look atthose gifts and let the answer
come to you.
And I sat there, I was like Ihave.
(12:57):
You know, I have zero idea whatthose are for.
And I just sit there and all ofa sudden I heard a voice.
I look at the seed and thevoice that I heard was in order
to go further, you have to goback to your roots and the blade
.
The message was same.
(13:18):
I heard the voice.
The voice said just be thetrailblazer, as you always are.
So those are my huge awakening,a wake-up call, because that's
exactly the same reason why Iresist the idea to move back to
Taiwan.
(13:38):
For this long, I was afraid thiswhole idea that I was trying to
make my life different byleaving, leaving Taiwan to the
USA.
I wanted to make somethingdifferent and this new job
(13:59):
opportunity, it is what I wantedto.
You know, that's what I alwayswanted.
That's the main reason why Imoved here in the USA.
But I wasn't.
I couldn't go further than thatbecause from the beginning I
was escaped Taiwan to the USA.
So this whole time I thought,if I go back to Taiwan, I was
(14:23):
escape from USA.
It turns out it wasn't.
It was the beginning.
How I started my journal wasputting my heart in a wrong
intention.
That's why me personally beensuffering so much, you know,
including, uh, the things wementioned about um before, like
(14:47):
all the cost living in here isvery high.
Uh, you know, it's really hardto do certain things, um, still
also a lot of things we didn'tshare to public.
You know, that's because Ididn't put my heart in the right
intention.
And the other fear for me,moving back to Taiwan, is, you
(15:10):
know, this is kind of like thesocietal pressure because people
always say, you know, you knowTaiwan doesn't have any chances
for you to develop whatever youwanted to develop, and hence why
a lot of people you know, go todifferent countries to find a
job or, you know, develop their,develop their own personal
(15:31):
career and stuff like that.
Most, most case are like that,like they, they really can make
different uh, make it differentuh, by doing so.
And we heard a lot of peoplesaying, oh, if someone used to
study or have job and now inanother country and now going
back.
It's because they're you know,they, they fail, they, they have
(15:53):
to run away and flee away fromtheir reality and come back home
.
And turns out that was mybiggest fear.
Um, I don't want it to berecognized, um, by my family, by
society, by even by myself, asa failure because I didn't, you
(16:15):
know, I didn't do the thingsthat I wanted to do.
You know, and that's why theblade was so powerful, because I
have always been thetrailblazer and I don't, I
didn't recognize it, I justalways trying to do the things.
(16:38):
That's different, because Iwanted to be different before.
That's how I see myself as atrailblazer just do something
different from the most ofpeople are doing.
But now that I realize there hasdeeper meaning to it being a
trailblazer doesn't mean youhave to be always standing long.
(16:58):
You can also go back to yourhometown to have the connection
being the leader, creatingthings with people.
Again, those are the things Ihave tried my best to run away
from.
I always feel like I don't needfriends, I don't need supports,
I don't need team, I don't needall those things.
(17:21):
I can do it all by myselfBecause I'm great, I can create
something.
And now that I realize I have togo back, looking for the roots,
finding myself, the connectionwith my own roots, either as my
home town, my home country, myhome, my family, my people, um,
(17:46):
my friend.
So that's the realization.
And once I realize it, and Ithink I am very grateful for
everything have happened so far,even if wasn't for those, I
wouldn't have this deep, deeprealization, because I was
(18:07):
planning to just run away fromTaiwan for as long as I can,
probably until the day I die.
I would say myself, I said itto myself, I'm never going back.
But this time, because of thoserealization, and I have decided
with Eric that we are both, asa family, going back to Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
What a beautiful story.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It's great to see that you have had such a deep
realization about who you wantto become, because it just goes
to show that it's not aninstantaneous process.
Things that you want to do thatyou think in your mind
currently may help you strive toachieve some of those goals and
be able to have some of thethings that you want to have.
(18:59):
But at the same time, whenyou're striving towards those
certain things, other thingsstart to pop up that your mind
just could not even think of,and when those things happen,
you're given new choices and yourealize that all this time
you're following what your mindis thinking about, but when you
(19:22):
get to real critical moments ofyour life, the best point to
think about is not from yourmind, but it's from your heart,
and that's where intentionreally comes from.
It's a heart choice, not a mindchoice, and so it's more of a
like what do I choose to do?
Rather than what is beingdecided for me based on the
habits that I have and thethought patterns that I've had
(19:43):
previously, for me based on thehabits that I have and the
thought patterns that I've hadpreviously.
And so hearing your story is aperfect example of that, because
you went through a very bigjourney of going where you
thought would be the right placegoing to the United States,
outside of Taiwan, becausethat's where you wanted to go.
And when you went through thatjourney, you thought about the
(20:04):
things that you had and what youcould achieve and what was
being offered to you.
You had the opportunities ofliving in the United States, you
had the opportunities to get anew job and you did certain
things while you were livinghere.
But now that you had all thosethings, something else popped up
, something that your heartached for, and that aching was
(20:26):
there the entire time, but youdidn't listen to it because you
didn't know how.
And now you realize thatwhenever it happens again, and
for everyone who's listening tothis, if you haven't ached in
your heart in a certain aspectof your life, it might be a good
idea to listen to it, and sowhat we'll do is, if you're
interested, we'll add a link inthe description below of the
(20:48):
same exact meditation that anitadid to listen to her spiritual
guide, so that you too can alsogive it a try and see if you
have something resonate with youabout some sort of aspect of
your life.
But the thing that's reallyimportant here that I want to
share is simply Taiwanica.
We're said in the title of thisepisode to escape from the
(21:10):
United States, and the thing is,is that we're escaping is
saying we're escaping from thepattern that we created?
And that pattern that wecreated is not only only the
things that we have thought, butalso the pattern that has been
around us in the united states.
(21:30):
There's a pattern about if youkeep on striving and the social
economics, then you will sooneror later be successful.
And this is true if you go andget a job and work full time,
you will sooner or later haveenough money to have the things
that you want.
And when it comes to thisidealism of living the American
(21:52):
dream, that's something thatpeople want.
But both Anita and I came to therealization that's not what we
want.
The American dream is beautifuland it's worthy to have and
it's suitable for certain peopleout there, especially for
anybody who might be listening.
The american dream might be thething for you, but we realized
(22:13):
it is not the thing for us andso we thought, well, where's
going to be the place that isfor us and taiwanica and
everyone who's listening to thisright now?
You have been a big supporterin pushing us to move back to
taiwan, because we've realizedthat the people that we really
care about, the people we wantto be around, the environment we
want to be in, the places thatwe want to go, are all in or
(22:37):
around Taiwan.
That's one of the biggestthings that really has strived
us to make this decision,because Taiwan's great and we
think that the things that weare offering uh are going to be
appreciated and uh understood,based on what we have done so
(22:58):
far.
So I think that's one of thebiggest reasons why I think
moving to Taiwan is, you know,besides what everything Anita
said is going to be just a, youknow, icing on the cake.
You know we're doing thingsthat are great for us
individually, but also foreverybody else as well.
So kind of gives us thisholistic or entire point of view
(23:22):
.
It's not just about what is itfor me anymore, it's about what
is it for me and everyone else,and that's something that I
think we have lost when livingin the United States, because we
were just trying to survive inthis world and we have become
very successful with it, but atthe same time, if we keep on
(23:42):
going this way in the unitedstates, we would just only be
still what is it for us?
And we're not really focusingon what is it for everybody else
and everybody else that wereally care about.
You know, there's a fewexceptions, but the majority of
them are in or around taiwan.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So that's one of the biggest things I think really
makes Taiwanica so great is thatwe have developed a great
community of all of you allaround those areas, and we're
striving to keep on improvingeveryone who is inspired by the
words that we share yes, so backto the, the one key point that
(24:23):
I mentioned earlier when I, whenI was sharing the story, which
is the connection that willbring us to the second part,
which is we are, you know, rightnow we just have a lot of
projects in our hands and then,when we go back to Taiwan, we
are going to start our newproject, which is to flourish
(24:48):
Taiwanica.
So we are going to haveTaiwanica have a really cool
team.
We are going to recruit newmembers, because just the two of
us is not not enough, becausewe, like we mentioned, we have a
lot of things we would like tosay which we were telling you.
We will be telling you guys, um, what are those things?
Uh, but the first thing, thebiggest things, we wanted to
(25:12):
executive executive is To have ateam for our Taiwanica um.
You know, we realized again.
Why are you laughing?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Executive.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's for us.
You know we have great ideas.
We are, you know, enjoy talking, but we need the team to
support us to do to do the worksto make this Taiwanica more
aware, yeah, expansive.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, expansive, to do the works to make this, uh,
taiwanica more aware, yeah,expansive.
Have people have, have peopleknow about it, because we don't
have any idea how to domarketing.
It's just the truth it's justand social media is uh beyond us
.
Uh, we tried and you know itkind of works.
But we know that bringing peoplein who are good at this and who
(26:10):
like our content and want toalso learn from what we know,
you know it can be a all aroundbeneficial thing for everybody,
because you're helping Taiwanicaexpand and help other people
learn what you have learned here, as well as helping us expand
Taiwanica expand and help otherpeople learn what you have
learned here, as well as helpingus expand Taiwanica to a level
(26:32):
that we just cannot do on ourown yes, so we will be having
those people that we need and soso far we can think about, as
the marketing, maybe a cameraguy, you know, doing the
recording, uh, helping us set upthe camera and do those kind of
things.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So just, um, break the news to everybody.
If you know anybody or who oryou know when you're listening
you're interested in doing thisjob like feel free to contact us
on taiwanica instagram or emailtaiwanicapodcast at gmailcom
right and um, then we'll talkabout what.
How can we create from there?
You know, and today is a big 90uh episode, so, um, we are
(27:15):
going to have a lot, of, a lotmore 90s to come.
Um, so, uh, yeah, today is justbreaking the news for everybody
we're recruiting new people.
So if you're interested or youknow anybody might want to do
the project, tell them aboutthis information and, you know,
(27:36):
contact us.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Anita is saying it very humbly and I think it's
adorable, but, in all honesty,taiwanica is at that point where
it's time to make a bigdifference and we want you to do
it.
So if you think you have theability to help a podcast like
ours to expand, you think youhave great.
If you have great ideas thatyou think this would really help
(28:00):
taiwanica to go in the rightdirection, then feel free to
join us.
We want you to be here with us,uh, so come join the team.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
We would love to have you here yes, and we will also
still doing the teaching um.
Right now, we have our website,um arrogantanitacom.
Yep, so we will be having more.
Yeah, we will be having moreclasses online.
(28:31):
We already have a certainamount of students there and now
we wanted to expand it there.
Right now, the thing is westill have the job.
So, even though we didn't turnto uh um, we didn't become the
full-time worker for thiscompany, they are still very,
(28:52):
very understanding of our lifecircumstances, so we're still
working for those uh, theclients who are from united
states.
So we will need about a fewweeks to figure out our
situation, but in the future,there will be um to figure out
situation and figure out theschedule.
(29:12):
But in the future, we will behaving a lot of webinars and
speeches and online classesavailable for everybody yeah,
there will be lots of littlethings for you to try.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Once again, all of that will be on ericananitacom,
very easy to find.
You can go there now to checkout our podcast episodes, the
classes that we have availablecurrently, and also any blog
posts.
All our blog posts arecurrently written in English,
and so you can practice yourEnglish by reading those.
(29:46):
Yeah, but there's going to belots of great new things ahead.
Get excited, because this isgoing to be a game changer.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, we're very excited to see you guys.
We are going back to Taiwan inthe beginning of September.
Yeah, surprise.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Next two weeks will be in Taiwan.
We will be living in taichung,uh.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So if you're in that area and you want to meet up,
you can definitely send us amessage too or even you were
just you know, somewhere elseyou could send us, to send us a
message too, of course, ofcourse, right uh, all right.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well, that's it.
So, that being said, yourtaiwanica podcast is going to
get local, so get excited and wewill see you in the next
episode, which will be recordedin taiwan thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Thank you, guys, for tuning in to today's episode and
thank you so much forsupporting us along the way.
We've been very grateful andget excited for more, more fun
episode coming your way.
See you, guys, next time okay,bye.
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