Can art shift a paradigm?

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Lisa and Lauren chat with The Calling, three women artists following a call....a call back to the feminine. The conversation starts with the question, "Can art shift a paradigm?" and leads in many directions including an introduction and encouragement to be a part of their latest project, The 6000 Circle Project. Learn more about The Calling, The 6000 Circle Project and the 3 artists behind it here: https://www.instagram.com/the6000circle_project/ 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, this is Taking Art Break podcast with
Lisa and Lauren from ArtistsMoving Today. We're so excited.
We're the visionaries from agroup called The Calling , and
you have an amazing projectcalled The 6,000 Circle Project
. If you could introduceyourselves and then kind of
tell us about the project alittle bit , that would be
great . Okay .

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hi. Hi. Um, I'm Yasmin Lamby Simpson , and I'm
an artist I'm currently livingin, in Wales. And , um, I met
these wonderful , uh,collaborators about five, five
years ago or so. And , um, wehave been collaborating and
working together , um, across ,uh, zoom and in, in real time .

(00:48):
And , um, we've come up withthis concept after , um,
another project that we weredoing in Prague. So, hi.
Welcome

Speaker 1 (00:56):
. Welcome.
Welcome .

Speaker 3 (01:01):
You go, Chantel .

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Oh, good morning. My name is Chantelle Goth White .
I am also an artist , um,currently visiting the very
northern part of the WashingtonPeninsula. Um, yeah, just kind
of living life and see what'scoming my way. So

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Love it .

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Love it .

Speaker 3 (01:24):
She , uh, good morning. I'm Sheila Metcalf
Tobin . I'm an artist andinstructor in the Bay Area ,
uh, in California. Um, andyeah, I'm super excited about
this , uh, project and thismorning getting to talk to you
all about it and can't wait totalk more about our
collaboration.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Um, so I , uh, am so happy to have you guys part of
our conversation. The Take AnArt Break , um, podcast is like
an ongoing conversation, andwe're always inspired by the
previous conversation to ask aquestion to our current guests.
And last time we were talkingto the wonderful Catherine
Josten , um, who has the GlobalArt Project for peace. And ,

(02:10):
uh, we sort of touched on thissubject of , uh, a work of art,
sort of opening up anindividual , um, and their
personal journey and openingthem up to shift and change,
and then what that might douniversally. And so that
inspired the question that wewanna ask you today as a
jumping off point, which is,can art shift a paradigm? So

(02:31):
jump right in, let's start thatconversation and see where it
goes.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Um, I'm gonna start with the obvious answer, which
is yes, , because aparadigm, a paradigm is a
belief, and we can always shiftour beliefs. And as we acquire
new information, new ways ofseeing things, new way , new
perspectives, new ways ofseeing others, it, it can't do

(02:58):
anything, but open us up to ashift in our own beliefs and
our own perceptions.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Mm-Hmm .
.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
And I think, I think I , I'll let Sheila go.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
. I think I've experienced, I think we
experienced this in Pragueactually really profoundly when
we did our first circleinstallation. Each of us chose
a theme and an image and hungcircles and asked participants
to choose a theme and or, or animage and respond to it on the
backside by writing. So ourstories were present on the

(03:31):
wall and in our statements. Andthen our parti , our our guest
stories became a part of the ,the exhibition as well. And
then we also got to speak thosestories out loud and have
others respond to us. And itis, it's a profound experience
to be in a room where othersare sharing very intimate parts
of their lives with each other.
I mean, it just doesn't happenthat often that you get to

(03:52):
share in that way. And thisproject is meant to extend that
experience so that we touchmore and more people share,
share our stories with others,and have their stories shared
with us. And it , it's, it's,so, it's always powerful.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah. I think the, I think here what we are trying
to do also with helping toshift this paradigm is inviting
others in Mm-Hmm .
, where we'regiving them the opportunity to
share their stories, to look atsomething differently, to shift
how they think about thefeminine. Um, and this is an

(04:27):
inclusive project. It is, it isnot just for women, it is for
everyone. It's for all, it'sfor human mankind to think
about what is the feminineenergy and to really put some
focus on that. So yes, fromwhat we have seen and how we
have developed our project andthe reasons why we're

(04:48):
developing it is because wehave had positive support , uh,
from and feedback from, fromfrom the community

Speaker 1 (04:57):
To , uh, to like, to get like, kind of like black
and white. What is the paradigmyou really wanna shift ? If we
could kind of like, you know,define that it's a belief
system , but what is thatparadigm you're thinking to
shift?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Oh, I get to take it. ,

Speaker 1 (05:14):
, all eyes are on you, .

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Um, I don't gonna , uh, we're gonna step , we wanna
share the feminine aspect. Ithink historically feminine
energy has always been lookedat as very defined and
encapsulated. You know, you'rea homemaker, you're a nurturer,

(05:41):
you're a, you're a this. Andthen it became women had to
step out into the world. Sothen women had to step into
their masculine. Hmm . And thenit , you know, I've gotta be a
boss, and I gotta, I gottahustle and I gotta do this. And
what we're asking people to dois really take a look at what

(06:01):
is the feminine energy. And ifwe can take even the feminine
part out of that, it makes iteasier. 'cause life c life
consists of dualities. Mm-Hmm .
, you know,energy comes in dualities, it's
positive as negative, it'sblack, it's white, it's yin,
it's young, it's masculine,it's feminine. But the aspects
that are held by the feminineenergy, which really is steeped

(06:25):
in a place of flow andsurrender and allowing and
receiving, and the masculineenergy in its most positive is
action and guidance andleadership. And we've seen a
lot of that. And it turns. Sowe would love people to step

(06:45):
into that feminine aspect offlow, of surrender. It doesn't
mean you don't take action, butyou take action from a place
that is from intuition, that isfrom in internal guidance, not
external. And what we hope iswhen people can step more into
a place of internal guidance,whatever , however that may

(07:09):
look like for them, it bringsmore balance. It brings a
healing to the world. 'cause wearen't looking for that
external validation, thatexternal filling up that
external need for satisfaction.
It's all in here. And yes, it'san art project, . And is
it going to save the world? No.

(07:29):
But the more we can shed lightand bring the notion of the
feminine , um, educate peopleas the aspects of the feminine
bring about conversations ofhow do we step into ourselves?
How do we step into that placeof receiving, of healing, of
surrender? I think every littleincrement makes a huge

(07:51):
difference. 'cause if everyperson on this planet just
stepped in this much and youadded all those little muchs
up, it adds to a whole lot.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
So

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I would say it's also shifted our individual
paradigms already, the re justbeginning this journey and
researching more and everythingthat Chantel just said in
starting to embody that. Andalso within intuition and
collaboration and looking atthe aspects of the feminine of,
of being inclusive and beingadaptive so that everything
isn't all tied in a, in a nice,neat package. And that's the

(08:27):
way we're gonna keep it,because these are our
parameters. We're saying,here's the beginning. We want
it to be circular. Where doesit go from there? What do other
people add to our conversation?
What add , how does thatcontinue to shift the paradigm
of how we think and embody in amore feminine , uh, way, a more

(08:48):
feminine way of being? Mm-Hmm.
. Mm-Hmm.
.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Um, so break down this project, 6,000 circle
project for us that it's acreation on a circle. And it is
the intention behind thecreation is the feminine.
Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm . And , uh, soyou have your circle, you sit
in the feminine. Is there aspecific question you want

(09:14):
people to ask themselves? Isthere a specific thing you want
them to do before they startcreating and then move on ,
move into , um, the exhibitionor the showing of the artwork
and the sharing of the artwork?
Can you break that down for us?
Well,

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I'll, I'll start a little bit then we'll ,
um, jump in as , uh, as we gothrough, I think. But yes,
basically the, the , the , ithas to be a circular substrate.
And as, as we know, and , youknow, we were , we were just
chatting about this , um, andbecause everything that we are

(09:50):
asking others to do, we aredoing ourselves . And
so when we, you know, whenwe're taking on this, this
working on a circle, it'schallenging. It , it's
different. There is no , thereare no edges, you know? Mm-Hmm
. . And I thinkthat that's another part of
this paradigm shift. When we'relook at something where there
isn't a middle , there isn't a, a horizon line that it , it ,

(10:12):
it , it goes on. And so there'sthat, there is that aspect of
the circle that we really wantto convey. So you don't have to
be an artist to have thatexperience. Right. Um, and I
think that that is alsoimportant to us. We, we want to
have this community project,and we want, it's open to

(10:33):
anybody and everybody. And so ,um, as a group, we've come up
with , um, prompts to help, tohelp , um, the creator along
the way so that the prompts canbe , uh, on the surface, what
does a circle mean to you? Whatdoes, who's a feminine that you

(10:55):
honor in your life? Um, um, allthe way to very deeper, deeper
questions. Um , um, like , um,what has , uh, happened in your
life that, in your femininejourney that has been negative?
Um, you know, so that, so thatthis project is open to, to all

(11:18):
, um, Sheila Chantelle , do youwanna add and carry on that
, that stream, thatthought ?

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah. We are, again , the offering prompts. We've
been talking about , uh,organizing and offering prompts
every month , uh, through oursocial media, through Instagram
and, and working on that , that, that theme ourselves. Uh, and
whatever it means , uh, to eachindividual person and, and
their response to it. Um, we'll, we'll get to see what that
is. Um, and it's, it's, it'shelping us to again, like dive

(11:51):
deeper into what the feminineis and how it's represented in
the world and, and how it couldbe negatively represented in
the world, but how we mightrethink that, that
presentation, and maybe evenfind its, its its origin story
and, and reroute it so that ithas a more positive aspect in
the world. Um, and each, eachthe , in terms of like where

(12:15):
this goes, each individual justdo , excuse me, each individual
just doing it themselves isreally powerful. And then
individuals doing it in groupsis also a possibility. I think
it was , was also reallypowerful. Again, just like
this, getting to share ourstories , uh, and hear each
other and hear each other'sstories is really profound. And
then po potentially exhibitionswherever those people are,

(12:38):
however they're participating.
And, and, or , uh, well , we're, we will have a group exi ,
you know, ex exhibition inMarch , uh, with the Northern
California Women's Caucus forthe Arts at the A Arc Gallery.
And then hopefully in Novemberwe're working toward a group
exhibition of, of gratitudewith as many circles as we
possibly can. Uh, so yeah,,

Speaker 4 (13:00):
And I'll step up now and kind of give a little
overview , um, for thoselistening. So the 6,000 Circle
project, it was reallyimportant for us to take a
feminine approach to this. Itisn't, here's a project, here's
what you do here , here's howyou participate. You send

(13:22):
everything to us and we'll dothe rest. Mm-Hmm .
, what we've doneis we've put together a
concept. So we would loveeveryone to think about the
feminine, feminine energy, thewomen in your lives, all that
that encompasses. We would loveyou to make art on a circle
substrate. You can make stainedglass. You can take a camera
and run around in a circle. Youcan do a dance, you can macrame

(13:45):
, however it works for you. Wewould like you to make art on a
circular substrate in reactionto the feminine. And then what
you do with that is up to you.
We are going to put togethersome kind of exhibition where
people can send those in. Butwe are very much encouraging
you also to get with yourfriends. Find a coffee shop

(14:07):
where you can display thecircles yourselves. Go glue
them up around town and, youknow, put on your little ninja
outfits and have a great time . So people drive by
and go, what are all thosecircles about? I love that .
Find a friend with a gallery,put 'em in empty shop windows.
God knows. There's enough ofthose around these days. Um,

(14:27):
and as far as making, you canmake them by yourself. But for
Thanksgiving, I'm gonna put atable of art supplies out. So
everyone at Thanksgiving cansit there and work on circles
about the feminine andsomething that we can talk
about while we're there. Um, weknow people are getting their
church groups and their bookgroups and stuff, and they can

(14:47):
each do their own themes. Ifyou're reading a book, make it
a theme about the heroine ofthe book, the protagonist.
It's, it's so broad. And wehave done this intentionally so
that everybody can find a wayin to participate as little or
as much as they like. Andagain, it's coming back around

(15:08):
to that feminine energy. Howcan we make it so open and so
easy? We're so used toeverything being constraints.
You can only do this if you'vegot this qualification, if
you're this kind of person, ifyou follow these rules and this
path. And it's always just likethis. And we want to, we want
to make it just so wide andeveryone can find their own

(15:32):
path in . But so it's aninteresting project in that
sense. We are putting a conceptout there, and we want you to
steal it. We want you to runwith it. We want you to, we
want you to go have fiveinternational exhibitions with
circles and just let us know , because it hits ,
well, it crosses that line. Youknow, people in art are always

(15:53):
like, you stole my idea, , you stole my thing.
And it's, it's so clenched up.
We're like, Hey, take our idea,

Speaker 2 (16:02):
But send us images .
Send us images . Record it .

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Tell us about it.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Hey, we might, where , who knows what's going to
happen with this. If we have6,000 circles that have made
all over the world , uh, thatcould , that what an incredible
thing. Right? And, and we havevisuals. We are just asking for
you to send us a visuals. Wewill have those on our
Instagram. We're collectingthat in the hopes that you ,

(16:28):
you maybe this becomes a book.
Maybe this becomes , um, thestories of everyone's , um,
experience with this. You know,it doesn't end with the making
off or the displaying off. Youknow, that's, that's the,
that's the starting point, youknow,

Speaker 4 (16:46):
And it also doesn't have to be a huge
accomplishment or success. Itcan just be maybe only 300
people make circles. Cool. Itwas still a fun project and
worth the journey. Right .

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I love it. I love , I love the micro and the macro
of this . Mm-Hmm . It's like ,it's so open-ended, but I wanna
know your why. You're threewomen that got together and
you're doing this. What is thispassion, or what is the energy?
I mean, you have the vision ,but what , what is your real ,
what's the why? I mean , youwanna , you , you love working
together and you know , kind oflike on the macro why , what

(17:21):
what , what's your why

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Individual or as a group?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Both. What's the why? Because you're , you know
, it's the macro and the micro, it's individual and then you
guys as a collective . So ,

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Does anyone have our feminista?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah . I can't get to that . Somebody else . It's
, yeah . If you wanna keepgoing for a second ,

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I have the , I have our fa feminista right here .
. Excellent .

Speaker 5 (17:49):
Okay . Perfect .

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yasmine's, our leader. .

Speaker 2 (17:55):
No , we, you know, we all, we all have skills that
we all come together with. Ohyeah . It's beautiful. We know
. Yeah . Mm-Hmm . And , and we,and this is why I think that we
are , that , that for me, Ithink is part of my why, my
personal why working on thison, on our project together in,
in Prague and um, uh, was, wasjust really, really fulfilling.

(18:17):
And for us to be able to cometogether , um, and do this as a
community project instead of apersonal project, was really
important as well. Right.
Stepping into a different wayof , for the calling to
manifest itself in, in thecommunity. Um, and so very much
our feminists is, is thecalling feminist though , um,

(18:41):
or the callings. And , uh, weembrace and celebrate
generosity, joy, inclusivity,curiosity, and wonder. We honor
all forms of creativity aspathways to connect to self and
community. We believesupporting the expression of
feminine energy, nourishingcreativity, cultivating

(19:04):
collaboration, and encouragingvisibility or foster a more
balanced legacy for ourcollective future.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Nice .

Speaker 2 (19:15):
That's our collective

Speaker 4 (19:16):
. I love

Speaker 5 (19:17):
It. I , um, I just wanna , uh, say, so say
something that I think it'sreally interesting that , um,
you are going on this journeyat the same time as your
participant, your possibleparticipant is going on the
journey, and there'svulnerability to that. Um,
there's that jumping into theunknown that is so powerful.

(19:41):
Um, but with that comes fear ,um, for a lot of people that
might potentially participatein this project , um, what kind
of challenges do youanticipate, speaking of
paradigm shifting, right? Whenyou're taking away the
parameters that people havebecome so accustomed to and so

(20:01):
comfortable with, you're justlike ripping those and then
you're like, go for it. Uh, andLisa and I have experienced
this in, in some of ourprojects where we're like
giving someone a blank piece ofpaper and they are looking at
us with a blank face becausethey're so afraid of that.
Right? How do you, how do youanticipate sort of , uh,

(20:24):
helping people work throughthose challenges?

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Um, I'll speak to that. Um, we did talk about
this. It, it is a littleoverwhelming when you have
something this broad. So , um,and Sheila did mention we are
going to be starting a monthlyprompt and we're all gonna be
creating together. So forNovember, December, the holiday
season, it's going to be thedark feminine, and it gives

(20:49):
everyone a chance to go, Ooh ,okay. There's a very precise
topic. Mm-Hmm. that I can go research, I can
dive deep, I can just kind ofread , read the little Google
bar that shows up. But it givesyou, it gives you those
parameters. And we know asartists, the more parameters we
have, the easier it is to makethe art. Mm-Hmm,

(21:10):
. Mm-Hmm. . Yeah.
The blank paper, the blankcanvas is overwhelming. So
we're gonna do this for theyear. 'cause this project runs,
technically it is open andrunning from March of 24
through November of 24. We'restarting with International
Women's Month and runningthrough November with , um,

(21:31):
elections and Thanksgiving herein the States and all that.
But, so we're hoping theprompts will be well attended.
Again, it gives you a narrowerfocus. You've got the
substrate. Um, we've closed itdown as much as possible to
help people. And again, we'reall creating together 'cause
we're gonna create throughoutthe month, and then we can all

(21:52):
share. And those circles canthen at some point come in and
go towards an exhibition. Butyes, a , a theme, sometimes we
just need a narrower scope,because the overwhelm these
days is on such a massivescale. It's like, just give me
something easy. .

Speaker 3 (22:13):
And I think also in terms of like making it easier,
we've talked about doingtutorials , uh, on making a
circle. Yasmin has alreadybegun that work of making some
videos on, on how she's makingcircles in her studio. And also
, um, beyond that resources,because, you know, we are
learning, we're , you know, Ifor sure I'm learning
about feminine energy and darkfeminine, all of these

(22:34):
different, you know , thingsthat are certainly, you know,
in my periphery and always havebeen. But I, I haven't
understood their origins ornecessarily couldn't actually,
if you ask me, would I, would Icome up with them? And I think
maybe many people are in thatsame position. So we're gonna
have a list of resources orlinks that people can go to to
learn more as we have done ,um, as part of our journey. You

(22:56):
know, since before we went toPrague, we began researching
this. And I was always Googlingit. . Mm-Hmm .
. Like , what arewe talking about exactly?
. Mm-Hmm . like, oh, oh, yeah, I know, you
know, , I know that,but , I didn't know. I
knew it. . So yeah, wereally wanna encourage
everybody, you know, thatwhether they're artists or not,

(23:20):
to be able to do this projectand to feel confident and good
about what they explore andwhat they learn and what they
create.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Mm-Hmm.
. And, and Ithink also , I thought that was
a great question, by the way,Lauren. I, I, I really liked
the question. Um, um, I , and Ithink the fear and the
vulnerability that comes up, Ithink because it , it it does
come up, it comes up for me,definitely. And it , and we've
talked about , um, uh, we talkabout this when we are in our

(23:48):
meetings together to , um, tosupport each other because we
don't know everything. We,there's no way. And, and we are
learning from each other, andwe're also learning from those
that are coming in and joiningus. Because part of this
project, which is reallyimportant, is to ask others,

(24:09):
organizations, other women'sgroups, other art groups, to
join us and create this projectwithin their groups. And we are
learning from them. We arelearning from the exhibitions
that the women's caucus of thearts are putting on Alabama is,
is in our corner. What you allare doing with art is moving.

(24:29):
We're learning from you. The ,you are the podcasts with, with
, um, the , the , the art onbrain, you know, the brain on
art, you know, I mean, it's,it's all about opening up,
opening up, learning from eachother. We don't have the
parameters, right? We don'thave those, the , the
structure. We are invitingothers to, you know, to help us

(24:52):
along this journey. Um, like,like Chantelle said, throwing
out this concept, it's free.
And let's, let's go on thisjourney together and let's
learn from each other. Andthat's how we can change a
paradigm. I, I believe,

Speaker 6 (25:06):
Yeah . I think ,

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I'm sorry . I think too , um, we all went through
the same coaching program, andone of the things that our
coach used to always say was,we take the personal and we
make it universal. Mm-Hmm.
. And I thinkthat's something women have
always done, because we gather,because we talk, and when we
talk, when we share ourstories, when we get personal,

(25:29):
we remove the shame from thosethings. And so another aspect
of this is sparking thoseconversations, having those
conversations, removing thatshame, removing that fear. Even
if it's just around making art.
Right . You know? But it can goas deep as anything. So yes, we

(25:51):
want, we want conversations, wewant people to talk, we want
people to share. And I thinkthat's really at the core.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Mm-Hmm .
. And also, I'm ,I'm, this is what I'm getting.
It's like you wanna almost unefdefine what the feminine is.
It's not, it's almost like whatis the feminine? And there's my
cat , um, you know,like undefining, the feminine,
like open , opening it up intoa big circle and just to have

(26:20):
that conversation. BecauseChantel , you said it's, we
live in this polar , like malefemale. Mm-Hmm. .
What if it's not that? What ifit's this , this open ended
Yeah. Spiral . Like the, my painting behind me .
Mm-Hmm .

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Something to say right there. .

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Well,

Speaker 4 (26:49):
And in order to define something for yourself,
you have to experience it. Youhave to gather information.
Mm-Hmm . andknowledge. So, and again, it's
not something that people haveactively in history been like,
well, let's go figure out whatthe feminine is .
Right? Right . So if we throwit out there and people go, oh,

(27:11):
that's something I've alwaysdone. That puts me in my
feminine energy. You know, themore we experience those
things, the more we understand,we seek them out, then we can
decide. Or redecide. Mm-Hmm , , what, what is
the feminine and how does thatbalance out with the other
energies? Mm-Hmm .
, you know, wedon't want this any more than

(27:31):
we want that. Right? So we needto find Mm-Hmm ,
this,

Speaker 6 (27:34):
You need to find that balance.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
But we need to explore that other side to
define it for ourselves, tochoose for ourselves, which
pieces work best. Mm-Hmm .
. And if we'rereally lucky, maybe this little
art project, we'll help alittle bit in that. The more we
put it out there and get, getit on people's tongues and in
their conversations, that's allwe can do. I think it that

(27:56):
helps open things up.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah .

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah . I'm, I'm hearing that , uh, a shift in
paradigm, right? Happens sortof one moment, one art break ,
one artwork, one person, oneconversation,

Speaker 4 (28:13):
One circle.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah. And I , um, but also

Speaker 1 (28:17):
One , one unconditioning , you know,
we're conditioned. So oneunconditioning questioning that
conditioning, right? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
I, I, well, I think it's, it's really , um, I mean,
I appreciate that you arediving so deeply into something
that a lot of people will befearful of. Um, I, I appreciate
that. I, I love projects thatdo that. Um, uh, Lisa and I are
constantly talking about, okay,we reached that edge and now
we're, we're seeing thateverybody else is caught up to

(28:46):
that edge. How can we get, howcan we push it further? And I
see you doing that with the6,000 Circle project, because
for me it's like, oh, I candive in. I'll get a circle.
I'll, I'll talk about thefeminine. But if I turn around
and have a conversation with myneighbor about it, they're
gonna be like , uh, and they'regonna be a little scared of it.

(29:06):
And , um, Mm-Hmm .
and I, and Ithink that is , um, I, I
applaud you for , um, walkinginto that dark feminine. That's
a great place to start, right?
Is just be like, let's just gostraight to that shadow and
let's just, let's just get

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Comfortable. It's corpio season , you
know?

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 6 (29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
And it is interesting 'cause we do make
assumptions based on who weare, our knowledge base and
what we're comfortable with.
But yeah, the average personat, at the grocery store is
gonna be like , um, that'switchy weird. Woo woo
spiritual. Yeah. Yeah. You cankeep it over there. That has
nothing to do with me. Andthat's what we're trying to say

(29:46):
too. Even with the easiest ofprompts. Everybody has a
mother, everybody has agrandmother, everybody has a
woman somewhere in their livesthat they had a connection to.
Yeah. And if you don't feellike diving deep into the murky
depths of the dark feminine andLilith and Medusa and all that
kind of stuff, then stick withmom and grandma. It's easy.

(30:09):
Everyone, there's a place foreveryone to walk into this at a
level of comfort. You know, youdon't have to know the
archetypes.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Mm-Hmm.
.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
You can just feel good dancing. You can enjoy
making pie. That's, that's aplace to start. But knowing
what it is then opens you up tothe conversation. Right.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well then maybe asking yourself, why do , why
am I comfortable making pie?
Mm-Hmm. , right .
, what is it aboutmaking, it's a circle too . You
feel good ,

Speaker 6 (30:43):
You know ? Yeah .

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Um , but always just kind of , um, pushing a little
bit further and deeper.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah . Pushing the non boundaries. Any , um, any
good stories that you've , um,had since you started the
project? Any testimonials oranything that's interesting
that's happened to you or toothers? Yeah,

Speaker 4 (31:09):
I ,

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Uh , with the , officially we haven't started
yet really. So we haven't,like, in terms of people making
circles, you know, I mean, I,I, I don't think we've gotten
feedback yet about that part ofthe process. Mm-Hmm .
, um, peoplejoining, you know, and, and
talking about how they're gonnado this project themselves, or
how they're gonna do it withothers. Were getting. Um, and I

(31:31):
think in terms of like what wesaw in Prague with people
responding to our circles andwriting down very personable
personal experiences on theback of our circles as , as
part of our installation there,that was definitely more
experiential. Um, uh, yeah.
And, and very, very powerful.
Mm-Hmm . , youwere gonna say something
though, Chantel ? I think,

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Oh no, it's gone now. Oh ,

Speaker 6 (31:55):
.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
I think by putting, by , um, releasing, releasing
, the, the , um,project on Instagram and
sending out and talking andtrying to make connections
within our own personal , uh,groups. Um, we have almost 70
people who have signed up tojoin us on this journey. And I

(32:22):
think that's pretty amazing.
Um, and that was, you know, we,our excitement was, you know,
releasing the project. Um,which was mid, mid-October,
Chantel was that mid-October.
We did that September,

Speaker 4 (32:35):
September.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
And then watching our numbers come up and then
getting the emails, you know,and, and , um, this is how you
find out about it and gettingthe emails. And, and so that in
itself was , um, was prettyexciting and has been. And we
are reaching out to thosepeople now. It's led us to do ,

(32:56):
um, okay, let's make sure thatwe keep them in the group, you
know? Mm-Hmm . This is theidea. And they don't forget. So
, um, hence getting a calendarof a monthly , um, prompts and
things like that. And then alsorec realizing, well, we, well,
we've got to have a place wherepeople can go. And Sheila has
got , um, on her website now apage where , um, goes directly

(33:21):
to our project , um, thecalling and you can download ,
uh, fill out the form anddownload , uh, the form, the
present , the participationform, and , um, and get more
information. So I think just byus building this, you know,
this project, we've learned somuch more and we've expanded
and it's just like throwing itout, you know, into the circle,

(33:43):
and it's just rippling out. So, um, yeah. It's, it's pretty
wonderful .

Speaker 4 (33:49):
I just to take that stigma of the boss, the boss
lady away, just so everyoneknows, we've never done a
project like this before.
. We have no clue whatwe're doing. we're
learning every inch of the way,but it doesn't mean you can't
do it. Oh

Speaker 5 (34:04):
God .

Speaker 4 (34:04):
I love , I love that when we start these projects,
it's like, I get sooverwhelmed, Yasmin's the,
okay, next step, next step,we'll have our call Monday,
we'll have our call Friday, andwe just inch our way along. And
that's how we do it. Yeah . But

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah ,

Speaker 4 (34:20):
How we're

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Doing, every person we talk to, every, every
interaction we have like this,we learn something, somebody
suggests something to us orconnects us to other people,
and it just keeps growing inthis really beautiful, organic,
grassroots way, which is reallyimportant. You know, it's ,
it's , and , and , and morefeminine in nature.
Right . You know, like , we'rereally trying to pay attention
to how we do everything so thatwe stay in line with that. And

(34:42):
it's, it's a completely new,it's a completely new paradigm.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Love it . Yeah . Um , I feel like, I feel like we
need to have anotherconversation because it's, this
is bringing up something forme, which is like , uh, because
I, I, I feel in tune with itbecause you guys are basically
like, I, it's like you havesomething inside yourself
that's like, I need to do thisthing. And rather than just

(35:06):
doing it by yourself , you'redoing it, the three of you
together. And then you're like,Hey, world, let's just all do
it together,

Speaker 4 (35:15):
.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Right . And what , what is that? Because that,
like , when I think about myown art, my own art is always
that, like I am the type ofperson that is obsessed with
people, but I'm, but I'm alsolike, kind of like, I don't, I
have my limits. I getoverwhelmed by them very
quickly. So all of my art islike pushing me towards people.

(35:38):
Wow. But also still has a wall.
Like, it's really interesting.
So like, we're gonna have tocatch up with you for part two
because I really wanna diveinto that question, which is
like, why are you inviting thewhole world to go on this
journey with you? What is itabout that? Um, so on that
point, I just wanna say thanksfor taking the time today to

(35:58):
talk to us. And I can't wait tocatch up maybe mid-project to
see how it's going. And then

Speaker 1 (36:05):
To end, how can people become part of this
Circle 6,000 Circle project ?
Where can they go

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Find us on Instagram? SA 6,000 circle
project? Or you can follow findus at the calling 22? Either
way.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Awesome. Awesome.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Oh , thank you ladies for having us.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Of course. Yeah .
Thank you .