August 14, 2023 • 13 mins
Lisa and Lauren continue their conversation about what happens to you when you make art part of your daily life. Today's conversation revolves around your soul and what happens to your soul, your spirit, when you make art. Have a story or comment to share regarding this question? Feel free to comment below or reach out through our website at https://artismoving.org/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here we
go. All right . Okay. We're
gonna try this again. .
Okay . And this is Lauren
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And Lisa from Artist Movie . Hello . So , today we
get a guess , but , um, thatdidn't work out. Just, you
know, life so doesn'tsometimes doesn't not work out.
So today our, our topic is whathappens to your soul on art. So
Lauren , you kind of wanna riffoff that . Yeah . What happens
to your soul? Gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah. So I love that the last couple months we
first, we talked about whathappens to your brain on art,
those , um, and then we talkedabout what happens to your body
on art last time. And so wewere , um, just kind of
continuing that conversationand what happens to your soul
on art? What happens to yourspirit on art? Um, I mean,
gosh, where do you even begin?
Uh, I have this conversationalmost on a daily basis with ,
(00:50):
um, all with my kiddos. Um , mykids, especially one of them
who , um, art breaks. Um , youknow, drawing is his way of
getting the, like muck
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
,
mm-hmm . , um,
that we sort of build up on adaily basis out. Mm-hmm .
. Um , my otherone has discovered that
journaling is the answer tothat. Um, and I think , um, to
me it, it's sort of like is aspa day for your soul, if that
(01:24):
makes sense. It's like you walkin and you are tired and
exhausted, and you have so manythings that you may not even
understand that you're goingthrough, and then you take your
heartbreak, whatever thatheartbreak is. It could be
knitting, it could be bakingfor me. Um, it's baking right
now. Um, it could be spendingtime in your painting studio
(01:44):
like you do, Lisa. It could beanything that helps you feel
refreshed alive , um, likeyou're ready to take on the
day. Um, and, you know, and Idon't know that there's
anything else out there thatnecessarily can do that in such
a short amount of time, if thatmakes sense. Mm-hmm.
,
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I agree with you.
What
Speaker 1 (02:05):
About you?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, for me, well , I think, well, my art is, has
always, not always, but ittransformed into a spiritual
process. So for me, creatingart is like when you can , um,
step out of the way, meaningyour ego steps outta the way,
and you can kind of like haveit kind of channel through you.
It's kind of like, you know,getting into the flow where at
(02:28):
times you're like, where isthis coming from? Not like,
it's just like, it's comingthrough you. And I've
experienced this so many timeswhen I'm painting. It's like,
you're , it's like, it's notspecifically you moving
through. So it , for me, art,your art on soul, or your soul
on art is basically , um,tapping into something larger
(02:49):
than yourself. Tapping intolike the creative flow in the
universe . And yes , it is abeautiful exercise to like ,
let go of all that muck withinyou and then, then you find
your true self. So that's kindof what art and soul means to
me. Or art on soul, or soul andart.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Love it. So basically what I'm hearing you
say is that like, you didn'teven know this was gonna happen
to you when you started makingart. Yeah . It just, it in
inevitably happened for you andnow you make the con conscious
decision to make it happen toyou because of how you feel?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Um , kind of , kind of , I mean, my path through
the art process was when I wasa kid, I had to express myself.
And that's, and it was angst.
It was not pleasant emotions. Ihad to get them out. And if I
didn't get them out, I don'tknow , , I probably
would've went crazy. Right. Sothen, but then when I , um, you
know, grew and matured a bit, Itapped in, I had an experience
(03:53):
where I tapped into somethingthat was larger than myself or
was actually going through me.
So I don't know if Iconsciously do it. You can't
like say, I'm gonna turn on thefaucet and it's gonna happen .
It's a moment in time where ifyou can receive , it's about
recession and being , and it'sa process. I mean, and I guess
(04:14):
it , um, I forgot who said it.
Some famous artist says , youknow, it's about evidence of
your spirit. Art is aboutevidence of your spirit or your
soul. So that's part of it . Oh,
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's interesting.
Yeah . I like that. So I thinklike you are trying to ta well,
I mean, you inevitably, andwe've heard other people talk
about this mm-hmm . Right ?
You're, you're tapping intosomething like the, the
creative conscience of mm-hmm .
The entire globe, let's say.
Yeah . Um, and I would arguepast, present, future, right?
(04:48):
There is no sort of lineartimeline of that. Mm-hmm .
, it is that,it's , um, the co you know, the
cosmos. I think about thecosmos a lot and the fact that
we come from the cosmos andwhat a beautiful, but also
slightly terrifying thing thatis, for me personally, I like ,
it's so, it's so hard to kindof process that. Um, and maybe
that's what it is. Maybe it'slike the processing of the
(05:11):
past, present, and future andlike, what is life and sort of
all those existent existentialquestions you might have every
once in a while. Um mm-hmm .
. And I thinkthat it's interesting, like why
mm-hmm . wouldpainting do that? Why does
painting that for you? Um ,
Speaker 2 (05:31):
For me, I don't know if it's just painting, I think
it's getting into the flowstate. You know, they talk
about the flow state, and Ithink the flow state is really
about being in the presentmoment. It's like you were
talking about past, present,future, I think when you can be
in the present moment . So itbecomes like more of a
meditative process where , youknow , you just like , maybe
(05:53):
it's that mark . I'm notthinking and watching it go. So
it's almost like the brush,it's like I'm putting the brush
down and I'm like seeing in thepresent moment it's moving . So
it's a meditative process. It'snot like you're like, oh, I
have to paint that apple, or Iwanna paint the cosmos. You
(06:15):
know what I mean? There's no awant, want, want . It's more
about living in this presentmoment than just allowing and
receiving. Like, and sometimesit's not good. I mean, in terms
of like, if you go back toyour, your ego state, right?
And you're like, well , what,what what just came out of me?
And sometimes it's aweinspiring. So it's like it's, I
(06:36):
mean, it's basically , um, forme, it'll take it to what we,
our mission is take an artbreak. It's really like taking
an art break is that littleglimpse of saying that you have
consciousness, you are mindful,you can be in the present
moment. And when you're in thepresent moment and you take
five minutes, 10 minutes, 30minutes for yourself just to
(06:58):
try to be in the presentmoment. And then if you can tap
into the flow, that's somethingis yes , I'm tapping into
something larger than myself.
And then you're not, it's likean expansive state versus a
contracted state. Mm-hmm . Ithink a lot times when we live
in the past for the future,that fight or flight is just
going, oh , you know, justgoing mental. But if somehow
(07:20):
you can, an art is the perfectway, may it be baking, may it
be drawing, may it besculpting, may taking a , a
walk in nature, maybe pickingup a leaf , maybe painting, if
it can get in the presentmoment just for a moment in
time. You know, get off thescreen, you know, get off your
future, get off the past. Andif you can get in the , and
(07:43):
then you receive and lifebecomes really magic, it's like
you become the magic and theart is the magic. If that makes
any sense. ma makes
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Total sense . When I, when I get an opportunity
to, like pho photography was atool for me mm-hmm .
to be in the , ORis a tool for me to be in the
present moment. Right . 'causeyou have to be looking mm-hmm .
, you can't.
Right . But a lot of the timesI photograph from what , from
(08:13):
my gut, right . I don'tnecessarily plan a composition
, um, and wait for it, youknow, it's, I'm not a wildlife
photographer. Mm-hmm .
, I'm not ansAdams , um, I'm not gonna wait
for sunset. I tend to, well ,there were times that I'd just
hang my camera around my neckmm-hmm . and I
(08:34):
wouldn't even look through theviewfinder. Mm-hmm .
. It was more oflike, when my body told me to
photograph, I should then Iwould just click the button.
Right . But at the same time, Iwas like, almost like looking
back and forth and trying tofind, find the world in the
world. Mm-hmm. .
Mm-hmm. . Um, anda lot of times it was people.
(08:56):
Mm-hmm . I think photography isvery much for me about showing
people that we are not asdifferent as we might think,
and that we are absolutely allconnected mm-hmm.
. And I think you're hitting onthat a little bit. Mm-hmm.
. And I thinkthat's why I think about the
past, present, and future.
Mm-hmm . existingall at the same time. Because
when I'm photographing a treemm-hmm . , you
(09:19):
know , I'm stopping to look atthe tree. I'm , I'm talking to
the tree. 'cause that's justwho I am. Mm-hmm .
, uh, and, butI'm noticing the tree and I am
realizing that the tree hasseen more than me.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right. Right .
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Um, and that's a beautiful thing. Mm-hmm .
and I, I don'tthink you do that if you don't
take a breath and take a breakand give yourself a minute and
your , you know, your soul,your spirit, your subconscious,
whatever you wanna call itmm-hmm. mm-hmm .
(09:56):
, um, time tohave that relationship not only
with yourself, but otherpeople, but also the rest of
the world. And maybe that'swhat art, you know, maybe
that's what happens to yoursoul on art, is it , is you
kind of, you give it time, yougive it a few minutes to, like
(10:18):
you said, really be here.
Mm-hmm . notworried about what you did
yesterday or worried aboutwhat's happening tomorrow, but
almost realizing that none ofthat really matters. Mm-hmm.
, because you'rehere, all you have is here and
now that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I understand that.
And I think when you talk aboutthe past, present, future, it's
a non-linear experience.
Whereas I think we're taught tothink it's linear. So my past
was when I was three, myfuture's when I'm 70. You know
what I mean? And so, right.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
But if , right.
Yeah. Yeah . Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oh, yeah. You just have to recontextualize your,
your experience of time. And Ithink if you can be in the
present and be non-linear,meaning going, oh wow, it's
simultaneous. Oh wow . We'reinterconnected, we're inter,
you know, we're not separate.
We're, it's this unityconsciousness mm-hmm .
(11:17):
. And I thinkwhen you create in the present
moment, and when you let go ofthat linear time and you really
get into that cosmic dance ofthe non-linear , you know what
I mean? You're just like, oh myGod, this is kind of, there's
something really amazing,magical, awesome. Sublime and
terrifying here in the momentin time . Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, I mean, I, I think that when you are in the
present moment, right, and wehave to go in a few minutes
mm-hmm. , butwhen you are in the present
moment , um, you are your past.
Right. I mean, you're alwaysyour past. Right? Yes . Because
who you are today haseverything to do with what
you've experienced your entirelife. Right. And in a way, you
(12:03):
also are your future becausethe , the choices you make
right now determine yourfuture. Mm-hmm . And I think ,
uh, we could have people argueagainst that. 'cause some
people believe we're , you'rejust on a path, you know,
you're destined to go incertain places. And I would
love to have a conversationwith someone about that mm-hmm
. and theirthoughts on that. Um, and then,
(12:23):
you know, I just think thatit's this notion of, I think
what art does to your soul, itis, it allows your soul to
breathe and let go. A littlebit of having to have control.
Right. Like you said, you're,you're like, I'm not really in
control of my paintbrush .
(12:44):
Mm-hmm . But then I step backand I say, that came from me.
Whether it looks like kind ofdevastating or mm-hmm .
amazing. Mm-hmm .
. Right . That it, that did come from you.
Mm-hmm . But it came from youwhen you let your soul do it.
Yeah. When you let your spiritdo it. And it's a different
conversation. Right . It'sgotta be in a different part of
(13:05):
your body. Um , I think
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Your heart possibly.
And it's almost like, just forme, just to, it's a practice, a
beautiful heartbreak practicewould be, I've heard this
before, but if you ask yoursoul, what do you want me to
know right now? And if you cantry to breathe into it or , or
consciousness, whatever youwanna call it , universe, you
know, whatever, whateverresonates with you , um, ask
(13:31):
it. What do you want me to knowright now? And breathe in that
moment and see what comes outand see, see if that would be a
beautiful art break .
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah . Process .
Yeah. Okay. Well that wasawesome.. I could talk
to you . I mean, we know this .
I could talk to you all day.
That's right . All day, everyday . . Alright .
gonna try this again.
Okay . And this is Lauren
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And Lisa from Artist Movie . Hello . So , today we
get a guess , but , um, thatdidn't work out. Just, you
know, life so doesn't
So today our, our topic is whathappens to your soul on art. So
Lauren , you kind of wanna riffoff that . Yeah . What happens
to your soul? Gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah. So I love that the last couple months we
first, we talked about whathappens to your brain on art,
those , um, and then we talkedabout what happens to your body
on art last time. And so wewere , um, just kind of
continuing that conversationand what happens to your soul
on art? What happens to yourspirit on art? Um, I mean,
gosh, where do you even begin?
Uh, I have this conversationalmost on a daily basis with ,
(00:50):
um, all with my kiddos. Um , mykids, especially one of them
who , um, art breaks. Um , youknow, drawing is his way of
getting the, like muck
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
that we sort of build up on adaily basis out. Mm-hmm .
journaling is the answer tothat. Um, and I think , um, to
me it, it's sort of like is aspa day for your soul, if that
(01:24):
makes sense. It's like you walkin and you are tired and
exhausted, and you have so manythings that you may not even
understand that you're goingthrough, and then you take your
heartbreak, whatever thatheartbreak is. It could be
knitting, it could be bakingfor me. Um, it's baking right
now. Um, it could be spendingtime in your painting studio
(01:44):
like you do, Lisa. It could beanything that helps you feel
refreshed alive , um, likeyou're ready to take on the
day. Um, and, you know, and Idon't know that there's
anything else out there thatnecessarily can do that in such
a short amount of time, if thatmakes sense. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I agree with you.
What
Speaker 1 (02:05):
About you?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, for me, well , I think, well, my art is, has
always, not always, but ittransformed into a spiritual
process. So for me, creatingart is like when you can , um,
step out of the way, meaningyour ego steps outta the way,
and you can kind of like haveit kind of channel through you.
It's kind of like, you know,getting into the flow where at
(02:28):
times you're like, where isthis coming from? Not like,
it's just like, it's comingthrough you. And I've
experienced this so many timeswhen I'm painting. It's like,
you're , it's like, it's notspecifically you moving
through. So it , for me, art,your art on soul, or your soul
on art is basically , um,tapping into something larger
(02:49):
than yourself. Tapping intolike the creative flow in the
universe . And yes , it is abeautiful exercise to like ,
let go of all that muck withinyou and then, then you find
your true self. So that's kindof what art and soul means to
me. Or art on soul, or soul andart
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Love it. So basically what I'm hearing you
say is that like, you didn'teven know this was gonna happen
to you when you started makingart. Yeah . It just, it in
inevitably happened for you andnow you make the con conscious
decision to make it happen toyou because of how you feel?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Um , kind of , kind of , I mean, my path through
the art process was when I wasa kid, I had to express myself.
And that's, and it was angst.
It was not pleasant emotions. Ihad to get them out. And if I
didn't get them out, I don'tknow ,
would've went crazy. Right. Sothen, but then when I , um, you
know, grew and matured a bit, Itapped in, I had an experience
(03:53):
where I tapped into somethingthat was larger than myself or
was actually going through me.
So I don't know if Iconsciously do it. You can't
like say, I'm gonna turn on thefaucet and it's gonna happen .
It's a moment in time where ifyou can receive , it's about
recession and being , and it'sa process. I mean, and I guess
(04:14):
it , um, I forgot who said it.
Some famous artist says , youknow, it's about evidence of
your spirit. Art is aboutevidence of your spirit or your
soul. So that's part of it . Oh,
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's interesting.
Yeah . I like that. So I thinklike you are trying to ta well,
I mean, you inevitably, andwe've heard other people talk
about this mm-hmm . Right ?
You're, you're tapping intosomething like the, the
creative conscience of mm-hmm .
The entire globe, let's say.
Yeah . Um, and I would arguepast, present, future, right?
(04:48):
There is no sort of lineartimeline of that. Mm-hmm .
cosmos. I think about thecosmos a lot and the fact that
we come from the cosmos andwhat a beautiful, but also
slightly terrifying thing thatis, for me personally, I like ,
it's so, it's so hard to kindof process that. Um, and maybe
that's what it is. Maybe it'slike the processing of the
(05:11):
past, present, and future andlike, what is life and sort of
all those existent existentialquestions you might have every
once in a while. Um mm-hmm .
mm-hmm .
painting that for you? Um ,
Speaker 2 (05:31):
For me, I don't know if it's just painting, I think
it's getting into the flowstate. You know, they talk
about the flow state, and Ithink the flow state is really
about being in the presentmoment. It's like you were
talking about past, present,future, I think when you can be
in the present moment . So itbecomes like more of a
meditative process where , youknow , you just like , maybe
(05:53):
it's that mark . I'm notthinking and watching it go. So
it's almost like the brush,it's like I'm putting the brush
down and I'm like seeing in thepresent moment it's moving . So
it's a meditative process. It'snot like you're like, oh, I
have to paint that apple, or Iwanna paint the cosmos. You
(06:15):
know what I mean? There's no awant, want, want . It's more
about living in this presentmoment than just allowing and
receiving. Like, and sometimesit's not good. I mean, in terms
of like, if you go back toyour, your ego state, right?
And you're like, well , what,what what just came out of me?
And sometimes it's aweinspiring. So it's like it's, I
(06:36):
mean, it's basically , um, forme, it'll take it to what we,
our mission is take an artbreak. It's really like taking
an art break is that littleglimpse of saying that you have
consciousness, you are mindful,you can be in the present
moment. And when you're in thepresent moment and you take
five minutes, 10 minutes, 30minutes for yourself just to
(06:58):
try to be in the presentmoment. And then if you can tap
into the flow, that's somethingis yes , I'm tapping into
something larger than myself.
And then you're not, it's likean expansive state versus a
contracted state. Mm-hmm . Ithink a lot times when we live
in the past for the future,that fight or flight is just
going, oh , you know, justgoing mental. But if somehow
(07:20):
you can, an art is the perfectway, may it be baking, may it
be drawing, may it besculpting, may taking a , a
walk in nature, maybe pickingup a leaf , maybe painting, if
it can get in the presentmoment just for a moment in
time. You know, get off thescreen, you know, get off your
future, get off the past. Andif you can get in the , and
(07:43):
then you receive and lifebecomes really magic, it's like
you become the magic and theart is the magic. If that makes
any sense.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Total sense . When I, when I get an opportunity
to, like pho photography was atool for me mm-hmm .
present moment. Right . 'causeyou have to be looking mm-hmm .
Right . But a lot of the timesI photograph from what , from
(08:13):
my gut, right . I don'tnecessarily plan a composition
, um, and wait for it, youknow, it's, I'm not a wildlife
photographer. Mm-hmm .
for sunset. I tend to, well ,there were times that I'd just
hang my camera around my neckmm-hmm .
(08:34):
wouldn't even look through theviewfinder. Mm-hmm .
photograph, I should then Iwould just click the button.
Right . But at the same time, Iwas like, almost like looking
back and forth and trying tofind, find the world in the
world. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
(08:56):
Mm-hmm . I think photography isvery much for me about showing
people that we are not asdifferent as we might think,
and that we are absolutely allconnected mm-hmm.
. And I think you're hitting onthat a little bit. Mm-hmm.
past, present, and future.
Mm-hmm .
when I'm photographing a treemm-hmm .
(09:19):
know , I'm stopping to look atthe tree. I'm , I'm talking to
the tree. 'cause that's justwho I am. Mm-hmm .
realizing that the tree hasseen more than me.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right. Right .
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Um, and that's a beautiful thing. Mm-hmm .
take a breath and take a breakand give yourself a minute and
your , you know, your soul,your spirit, your subconscious,
whatever you wanna call itmm-hmm.
(09:56):
with yourself, but otherpeople, but also the rest of
the world. And maybe that'swhat art, you know, maybe
that's what happens to yoursoul on art, is it , is you
kind of, you give it time, yougive it a few minutes to, like
(10:18):
you said, really be here.
Mm-hmm .
yesterday or worried aboutwhat's happening tomorrow, but
almost realizing that none ofthat really matters. Mm-hmm.
now that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I understand that.
And I think when you talk aboutthe past, present, future, it's
a non-linear experience.
Whereas I think we're taught tothink it's linear. So my past
was when I was three, myfuture's when I'm 70. You know
what I mean? And so, right.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
But if , right.
Yeah. Yeah . Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oh, yeah. You just have to recontextualize your,
your experience of time. And Ithink if you can be in the
present and be non-linear,meaning going, oh wow, it's
simultaneous. Oh wow . We'reinterconnected, we're inter,
you know, we're not separate.
We're, it's this unityconsciousness mm-hmm .
(11:17):
moment, and when you let go ofthat linear time and you really
get into that cosmic dance ofthe non-linear , you know what
I mean? You're just like, oh myGod, this is kind of, there's
something really amazing,magical, awesome. Sublime and
terrifying here in the momentin time . Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, I mean, I, I think that when you are in the
present moment, right, and wehave to go in a few minutes
mm-hmm.
moment , um, you are your past.
Right. I mean, you're alwaysyour past. Right? Yes . Because
who you are today haseverything to do with what
you've experienced your entirelife. Right. And in a way, you
(12:03):
also are your future becausethe , the choices you make
right now determine yourfuture. Mm-hmm . And I think ,
uh, we could have people argueagainst that. 'cause some
people believe we're , you'rejust on a path, you know,
you're destined to go incertain places. And I would
love to have a conversationwith someone about that mm-hmm
.
(12:23):
you know, I just think thatit's this notion of, I think
what art does to your soul, itis, it allows your soul to
breathe and let go. A littlebit of having to have control.
Right. Like you said, you're,you're like, I'm not really in
control of my paintbrush .
(12:44):
Mm-hmm . But then I step backand I say, that came from me.
Whether it looks like kind ofdevastating or mm-hmm .
Mm-hmm . But it came from youwhen you let your soul do it.
Yeah. When you let your spiritdo it. And it's a different
conversation. Right . It'sgotta be in a different part of
(13:05):
your body. Um , I think
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Your heart possibly.
And it's almost like, just forme, just to, it's a practice, a
beautiful heartbreak practicewould be, I've heard this
before, but if you ask yoursoul, what do you want me to
know right now? And if you cantry to breathe into it or , or
consciousness, whatever youwanna call it , universe, you
know, whatever, whateverresonates with you , um, ask
(13:31):
it. What do you want me to knowright now? And breathe in that
moment and see what comes outand see, see if that would be a
beautiful art break .
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah . Process .
Yeah. Okay. Well that wasawesome.
to you . I mean, we know this .
I could talk to you all day.
That's right . All day, everyday .
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