April 14, 2025 • 38 mins
What happens when those we trust to tell the truth are the very ones spinning the lies? From government officials to family authorities, we're constantly navigating a landscape where deception is often disguised as protection, tradition, or "for your own good."
Stephen Hawking once said, "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." This powerful insight frames our conversation about surviving authority's deception and finding truth in a twisted world. We dive deep into the psychological toll of being told one thing while experiencing another—that crushing cognitive dissonance that leaves us questioning our own reality.
We explore the telltale signs you're being gaslit by someone in power. Listen for those red flags: over-explanation, defensive reactions to simple questions, and philosophical word salads that never actually address your concerns. The truth rarely needs elaborate justification—it stands on its own.
But this episode isn't just about identifying problems. We share practical strategies for developing your personal truth filter, strengthening your intuition (which has fascinating connections to physical gut health!), and finding those rare trusted voices who stand firmly in integrity. Most importantly, we discuss what happens when we reclaim our truth after surviving lies from authority figures.
Whether you've questioned official narratives during global events or simply felt that something wasn't quite right in your personal relationships with authority, this conversation offers validation, insight, and a path forward. Because truth-telling isn't just about honesty—it's about survival.
What lie have you been living with because you didn't want to rock the boat? The answer might change everything.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hey, it's Jen the Builder and Corey, and welcome
everyone to take the elevator.
How is everyone?
I know I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I am feeling quite refreshed and rejuvenated.
I'm excited I got a new doctor.
Okay, I love him.
I love how he builds rapportwith me.
He has empathy, he hears me, hevalues me, we're in a medical
relationship.
It feels good.
I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's good to hear.
You don't hear that very often.
So when people tell me thatthey have a good relationship
with their medical doctor, it'sencouraging because, like I said
, you just don't hear that veryoften.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah.
So I know that we have a fullepisode ahead of us, and so I'm
going to give everyone a sneakpeek.
Is that okay?
Before we give some shout outs,let's go.
So I'm not sure if this isgonna be the title of the
episode, but let's go with it.
So it's surviving the liesauthority tells us, and what
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we're gonna do in elevationtoday is finding truth in a
twisted world.
We can go a lot of places withthis.
I feel this is going to be agreat episode.
So tune in, share this episodewith someone and let's get to it
.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Let's do it, jen, before we get started in the
meat of the conversation, thoughyou know they have this term
that people use in certainaspects of life conversation.
Though you know they have thisterm that that people use in the
uh, in certain aspects of life.
They say you're cooking.
That means you're doing prettygood with something you know.
So, when you're doing well, sayoh yeah, you're cooking, you're
cooking, and so we are cookingright now because we have
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listeners all over the place.
I mean, europe is jumpingreally well and I'm liking that,
I'm loving that um, I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Do you have specifics like countries in europe where
we're seeing more activity andlistening to the elevator?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
um, I actually do, but I didn't want to single
people out like that.
You know, maybe further alongin the uh digging of it, I
single people.
Okay, fine.
So hooray Europe, hooray Europe.
There's a place called Oceania.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's another big location.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and that's doing pretty well.
I can't say it right, but it'sgreat, it's doing good.
We're cooking, man, we'recooking.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
How about Asia?
Is Asia showing us some love?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Asia's showing us a little bit of love.
But you know, North America isreally putting work in Of course
, yeah, so we're good with that.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Love that.
I love that our fellowAmericans are tuning in.
And Corey, this just speaks towhat we've been talking about.
You know, with every business,there's always going to be some
rebranding or revisioning right.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Just kind of looking at where we're at.
I really love where we're going, where we're talking about
elevating everyone everywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And so seeing the map on where this podcast goes
really supports that.
That's pretty awesome.
Thank you everyone Also, yeah,For taking a ride with us.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Thank you so much.
And also I just wanted to putit out there, if there's
multiple ways to contact us,talk to us, engage with us.
We have our website,thegencocom.
You can find us there.
You could also catch us on allof our platforms and social
medias and I won't go throughall that in detail, but
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definitely you can find us withJen the builder at gmailcom.
You can talk to her that way.
And then also one real big newone is on buzzsprout, if you're
listening, through that platform, we have opened up some ways to
be able to communicate likethat, so feel free to reach out
to us anytime.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, and you know what?
I'm going to go ahead and putit on the notes too, so you see
it in writing.
And when I say that we areavailable for conversation and
connecting, I mean I mean we, weare.
So please feel free to to getto us.
So let's start with thisopening quote by stephen honking
we ready, cory, we are readyall right, I love this.
(04:33):
Don't hear it enough.
So here it is, friends.
It says the greatest enemy ofknowledge is not ignorance, it
is the illusion of knowledge.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That can go so deep in so many different ways, and
I'm ready for it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, I love this because usually in conversation
you hear people say ignorance isbliss right.
I think this episode is exactopposite of that.
We're inviting you to not stayin the spaces of ignorance, but
rather seek truth and notbelieve the illusion of
knowledge.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right, because I think we've all discovered that
ignorance is not bliss.
As a matter of fact, it'spretty torturous when you're
ignorant that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So here's truth number one, and this one is a
bit hard to swallow, but, man, Ithink it's so true the lie is
louder than the truth.
Well, I believe thatwholeheartedly, because that's
the way history has portrayedour path and when we talk about
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lies right now, for this episode, we're talking about those who
are in authority.
Okay, because we could talkabout lies in relationships and
friendships, but right now, inthe climate that we're in, let's
be real there's a lot of liesfrom authority.
So who do we mean by authority?
well, that could be yourgovernment, your leadership
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systems that we have set up allaround us, or that we're in
media and even family because,we do consider family an
authority figure I know that, nomatter how old we get, our moms
are still in an authorityfigure moms, dads, uncles, aunts
, grandparents yes, so, corey,you are.
(06:23):
I'm someone who studies historyrelentlessly and you've brought
so much to the table on whatyou've learned, and that, in
turn, challenges me to learnthings and really go back in
time.
So what are some examples thatcome to your mind of historical
lies from authority figures?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
let's just say history, I mean overall, overall
yeah um, the books were set upa certain way, they were written
a certain way so that theycould sway the reader to believe
that history happened this wayand only this way.
Only certain facts are admitted, or or some are omitted.
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Some are omitted, but certainfacts are removed from history.
If you want some details, I'llgo down my street, which is
black history.
A lot of black history was justsimply removed.
They focus solely on the slavetrade andin luther king, and the
rest is not in history and eventhe things they focus on.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Regarding martin luther king, right?
Absolutely, yeah.
So now please don'tmisunderstand us, cory and I
will never, ever say that we'venever lied.
That's not the truth, no, right.
So this is not that kind ofjudgment on people who lie.
It's just the system has beenset up to lie to us, and usually
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these lies are often dressed upas safety.
Yes, right.
Other reasons for these lies iscontrol or for tradition's sake
, right?
So let me touch on that one.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, I was about to say you might have to open that
one up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So safety control tradition?
I'm going to touch on traditionbecause that's one that comes
to my mind.
This could be something assimple as well.
We know that it's notcompletely correct or not
completely right or not alignedwith the higher way of our faith
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or our belief system, but we goahead and do this celebration
anyway because it's familytradition and it just always has
been this way.
So I find that people keeppracticing a lie because it's
something that they're used to,and it's almost as if to drop it
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means that you're going to losea great family tradition.
Now, I will say that it doesfeel like that initially,
because it's been a part of yourlife for so long.
But when you realize, yourealize, man, I get to choose
what I celebrate and I celebratewhat's true.
It's very freeing, but thatfeeling didn't come into play
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till a few years in.
You know what I mean, right,yeah, and so what I'm talking
about is traditions and holidaysthat are very tied to religion,
that are actually not religiousin practice.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, jen, I'm going to elaborate just a little bit
so it's a little bit morepalatable.
There are things in holidaysthat derive from other religions
, outside of what you may benormally practicing Like.
A lot of people practiceChristianity and so you think
about maybe the Christmas treeor the Yule log.
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Those don't derive out ofChristianity, they derive out of
another religion, and a lot ofpeople don't know that.
They just believe that it's alla part of the holiday, so let's
just celebrate it.
I believe I'm a firm believerthat you can't enjoy or truly
celebrate something until youhave all the truth that's in it
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or about it or around it, sothat you can know what you're
really celebrating.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I think that's so important, yeah, so important
.
All right, so real quick, wewant to mention the
psychological toll of being toldone thing and experiencing
another, and I think that's thepart that really bothers me when
people in authority tell you alie but you're experiencing a
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whole nother thing, like there'snothing to be worried about or
stressed out about, Everything'sfine.
And everything in my body,everything I'm seeing and
experiencing, says otherwise.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, and even when you say I'm terrified, I'm
scared, I don't know what'shappening, and I need to know.
You're constantly beingconvinced that there's nothing
to be afraid of.
You're overreacting andeverything is going to be okay.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah.
And Corey, I want to take acouple steps back, because I
also want to note here that ouragenda and our purpose for
elevation is not to convince youof one way.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
no, what we're really saying here is search the truth
, right, don't believe that youhave the knowledge because
someone else told you this right, which is the illusion, but
rather seek it for yourself well, the greatness in being an
elevator someone who elevelevates is the ability to be
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able to determine what's trueand what's not, and then you can
have a bigger view of how tooperate from that point.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, you can make informed decisions, right?
We hear that term a lot and Ithink we're in a place in our
lives, in this world, where ourdecisions, they're always
important, but they they're verycritical right now.
Yeah, right, so I have aquestion for you, sure, because
I love.
I love getting in your brain,and I know that we have people
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who reach out to us and say, man, I would, I would never go
where cory went, but he reallygave us something to think about
.
So or have you ever realizedsomething that you believed from
an authority figure?
So you were like, wholehearted,man, this is good, this is the
truth, and then you realized itwas a lie absolutely um,
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multiple things when the numbersdon't match up about anything,
and the numbers just don't lie.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So if you do a calculation on an event and I
don't care where it is in timeor how long ago it you know it
was told, and especially if it'seven longer ago what happens is
is when you start crunching thenumbers and they don't add up
and I'm talking about anythingit changes everything inside of
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you because you realize at thatmoment that if you lied about
the most simplest of things, theprobability that you've lied
about the big things goes evenhigher.
It goes berserk in my mind.
So, I just learned look intoeverything, research things and
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don't take anything as gospel.
And when I say that I don'tmean like as the Bible, I mean
don't just say it's true becausesomeone said it.
You have to tell yourself it'strue, because I know it.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, and I'd like to say something about that
too, because when people bringthings my way, a way to research
, it is not just google.
Guys like google this, oh see,google said and I've heard a lot
of people say that, right.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Or ChatGPT said.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Or YouTube yes.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So with that multiple sources, right, get deep into
it, because things are hidden.
The authority doesn't want youto know certain things, so
they're going to do a reallygood job at hiding these things.
It's not going to be so obvious, right?
So look into it, mark.
I promise you you'll find somethings that you'll be like.
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What?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
and let's be clear, jen, I don't want to just blame
it all on authority.
I think in a lot ofcircumstances authority has
tried to fix some of themisnomers or some of the
mistruths that are out there,but because we as people double
down on the narrative, we refuseto let it go and we find
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ourselves in a really badsituation because sometimes
authority is saying hey, wait,wait, we've tried to change this
, we've tried to tell you thisand try to fix it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Right.
10 years later, however long itis, we have to tell you the
truth.
We have to show you the records.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It's right there for you to see it and that's the
part that I that really bugs me,because they've put it out,
they've shown you, it's outthere and sometimes it is on
google or youtube and we stillignore it or look past it yeah,
well, it's interesting becauseeven when I do professional
development workshops, I'll sayyou are going to seek I'm sorry,
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you are going to find what youseek, right.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So if I'm looking for something to prove what I think
is right, that's exactly whatI'm going to find.
How wonderful would it be tosay well, what if I'm I'm not
wrong, but what else could it be?
What else?
What else is out there?
Yeah, right.
So I love what you're saying,Corey, because we're also not
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trying to come down hard onauthority.
I think for most things theymaybe say the lies that they do
to protect status quo, to keepfrom mass chaos or whatever.
It is Right.
So I think sometimes I get it,and then I also think, on the
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counter, that lies are beingtold for control or to put fear
in people.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, I have one side and one side only.
I want to know the whole truth,nothing but the truth.
So help me.
And the reason why is because Iwant to know the whole truth,
nothing but the truth.
So help me.
And the reason why is because Iwant to make my own decisions.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Right and manage your own feelings and emotions and
go through it.
Let me handle the truth.
You know like it's almost.
We're adults, we're competent,we're big kids now.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Exactly, and the thing is is that we've seen how
some adults handle things andthey don't handle it the way I
do, they don't think about itthe way I do, they don't process
it the way I do, and so somethings aren't a big deal to them
because they're fine with notknowing.
I've had people tell mestraight up, you know what.
I'm not really concerned aboutthat, that doesn't bother me,
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like that.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I'm like, oh okay , well, I am, I need to know,
right, right.
So it's almost like thatquestion are you sure you want
the?
Truth yes, and then I say yes,give it to me, or are you able
to handle.
This is from a movie, I think,with jack nicholson and tom
cruise right, you can to handlethis.
This is from a movie, I think,with Jack Nicholson and Tom
Cruise right, you can't handlethe truth.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You can't handle the truth.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Ask me if I'm able to .
And then it's on me.
I have the ownership, theaccountability to say well, I
asked for it and you gave it tome, but I'm really interested.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Who, listening, doesn't want to know the truth?
And if you can reach out to usor connect with us, please do so
.
And I'm very um my, my antennaeare high and alert because I
really want to know who does notcare about if they're being
told the truth or not yeah, soI'm going to answer um that
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indirectly.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Okay, there are times in my life based on where I'm
at emotionally, mentally, andjust challenges I'm going
through, where, although I wantto know the truth, I know that I
can't process it or it'll sendme over the edge, right, and I
think this episode is very edgyand and I'm totally okay with
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that.
So I almost want to say can youbank it somewhere, can you put
it right there on that shelf sothat when I'm ready, it's right
there for me to take it in?
right, you know what I mean,yeah um, and sometimes you'll
tell me stuff, cory, and itlooks like I'm checked out, but
it's really okay.
I need to move certain thingsto make room for this, because
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right now I'm on overload right,you know, I've seen that.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Look, it's the deer in headlights, like what is
happening.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I was like I already feel heavy.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
This just got extremely, extremely heavy but I
want to do the the listeners afavor, because we're doing a lot
of vague round and about typeof conversation.
Let's throw out one tangiblething that people have been and
no, it's not going to be thatthing that you're thinking about
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.
I promise you it's going to beabout aliens.
We were told for years thatthey don't exist.
We were told that the shipsthat people were seeing and
spotting that was nothing.
It comes out one day thataliens are here and then the
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very next day, it was anexperiment or an exercise that
the military was putting on, andso you fast forward to 2022,
2021, 2020, whatever it was, andwe get these reports that
saying it's true, they are there, they're out here.
Right, that that was a lie,that did not need to be told I
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bet you right now people aregoogling aliens absolutely yeah,
why not?
but that that lie lasted, I mean, even as far back as roswell.
I think that was in the 40s or50s you know, don't quote me on
that one.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I'm not sure what year the roswell thing happened,
but people were told that theywere literally crazy and that
that did not happen so I think,with a good point on that,
because with this comesemotional gaslighting, yeah,
which on top of the lie is justan, is an insult to injury,
right?
yeah like oh, that's not true,oh, you're overreacting, oh
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you're such a con um conspiracytheorist, right?
Or that's not what was said,right?
So, corey, let's and we cantalk about it, or we can ask our
friends to do some research, orlet us know what you all think
Is what are three ways torecognize when you're being
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gaslit by someone in power?
What's something that'scommonly said?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
in power.
What's something that'scommonly said?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
um, I can't get the exact phrasing, but I know it's
built around.
It's for your safety.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah you just gotta trust us right, we we'd never
lead you astray or when theylead you to believe that
education gives them moreknowledge or more than you could
ever find, because you're notas educated as we are Right.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
so you start to self-doubt and it really gets
confusing, right?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And the one I hate the most is when it turns into a
philosophical word salad thatvery few people even understand
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, and it doesn't even address the question at
hand.
Absolutely Right, Good ones,All right.
So let's go into the cost ofsilence.
My first question is whathappens when people don't speak
up?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
More harm, more hurt, more distrust.
You find yourself in a muchmore vulnerable place.
I've seen people go intodepression, high anxiety,
looking for more lies so thatthey can figure out how to deal
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with the one lie.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, I think it brings about a place to the
erosion of your own self-trust.
Yeah, Because I've asked myselfwhy didn't you say anything
right there?
What's wrong with you?
Like you know, this is wrongand you're not saying anything,
right, and that really plays apart on you.
Can I help a little?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
bit right here, please.
Um, the best way, when you knowthat you're being lied to about
something that's important, isjust to ask a question and and
if you don't get the answeryou're looking for, that's
probably the better thing,because I ask questions knowing
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somewhat of what the answer isand if you give me an outlandish
, wrong, absurd type of answer,it just doubles down and proves
even more that, hey, I'm on theright track.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
That is really good advice.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm not too far off a base that I thought I was,
because this person just wentway overboard.
And that's the crazy thingLiars can't just tell you a
simple lie.
It has to be elaborate andlayered.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah and over-explained.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I think silence, too, is an act of complicity.
So by being silent, we continuethe lies, we enable it Right.
So I love this reflectionmoment question that we talked
about earlier between you and I.
It's what lie have I beenliving with because I didn't
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want to rock the boat?
Man that one goes deep.
I think that is a whole notherepisode or two, but I just want
to make sure to leave that outthere and maybe it'll land with
someone and your challenge tolean into this question.
And that again was what liehave I been living with because
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I didn't want to rock the boat,and how long have I been living
with this lie?
And you know, just seem out thetoll it's taken on me on you.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I'll say this about that when you're living a
lie and you're forced to livewith it and forced to believe
that everything is all rightwhen you know it's not.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It eats at you.
Yeah, moment by moment, dayafter day, year after year, it
just really gnaws at you,because you know it never goes
away.
It's like you think you wouldjust forget about it and you can
move on.
But you can't.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
It's like nephrotic tissue, right, Like if you have
something on your body that'sinfected.
It just grows and you may notsee the signs and symptoms of an
infection till later, but thenit's out of control.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right, and just to give a cap to that, jen and I
had to have that conversationabout some things that we were
living with other people andwith each other, just to I don't
know a slay the dragon, so tospeak.
You know, get it out the wayand just get it in the open.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
All truth shouldn't go to everyone, but most truths
need to be told at least tosomeone.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, absolutely, and so I think of people in our
lives that may do that throughsomeone they trusted to church
or through a coach, a therapist,a partner that's so healthy and
needed to have that.
So I think it leads beautifullyinto this part that truth
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telling is survival.
Truth telling is survival Like.
So here's where we want to givesome really good tips on truth
telling as a form of survival.
So how to spot the truth whenauthority spins a lie, right?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Do you have any sound advice on that?
Again, when you want to spot alie, listen to the details.
There's usually too many, andbecause there's so many details,
something's conflicting.
One of those details is goingto conflict with another one, so
it just doesn't make sense,right?
And when you have all thatinformation, you just sit with
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it and put it together again.
The numbers never lie, and soif it's 20 miles from your home
to work, it's always going to be20 miles.
If there's ever two or threeextra miles added in there, then
there's a lie okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I also think too that you know I love the word
curiosity when you're inconversation and you posture in
curiosity, and you said earlierin this episode ask a question,
Do not not say anything, becauseasking a question even if you
get the wrong answer or theanswer you're not looking for,
it still puts you out there.
The wrong answer or the answeryou're not looking for, it still
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puts you out there.
So I think, in this way too, isget curious about what you're
being told.
Ask the questions, find outyour own answers.
I love how questions build,don't you?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I love that.
I also love that if you ask aquestion and it provokes the
person, that's a big red flag,the defense comes up, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So I think it's important that we build our own
filters.
We've talked about doingresearch, critical thinking.
Right, it does require time andenergy, but it's so worth it to
sift through.
Another word, another concept,another fact, another power that
I love that we have isintuition yes, intuition, and I
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was talking to my doctor and wewere talking about intuition,
and I love this part too,because it's very much tied to
your gastrointestinal system.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Your gut.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Your gut, yeah, your gut.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Your gut yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Like physically and he says, the more people take
care of their gut physically.
There's research and studiesthat have shown a tie to
stronger intuition and pickingup on that voice right.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Right.
I love that you said that,because there's a couple of
things within that.
So you got to trust your gut,especially if it's healthy.
That's number one.
Number two there are thingswe're doing to ourselves that
we've been told is OK to do.
I'm a big proponent in exposingsome things that are dangerous
for us.
Microwave rays are dangerousfor us.
(29:30):
That that blocks and breaksdown and hurts parts of our body
.
Aluminum directly in our bodyis dangerous for us, so it
blocks and breaks down, you know.
So if you have multiple thingsthat you're blocking and
breaking down in your body, yourgut can't decipher properly,
and so the quicker you get to aclean gut, the quicker you get
(29:50):
to a clean body, the faster youcan determine some of the things
that are being told to you.
And I just want to really closemy portion with this.
The importance of this is thatif you're a parent, if you're a
coach, if you're a leader, ifyou're someone of authority that
can be trusted, trust me,people will go to you first
(30:13):
because they'll say, oh no, Ican ask him or her because I
know they know the truth, or Iknow they'll tell me the truth
and we can be okay with thatanswer and then get some more
information after getting thetruth.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah.
So that ties into truth-tellingand survival, finding those
voices you trust.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And if you are the voice that someone trusts, what
an honor.
That is right.
And I think people that we lookto for that voice of trust are
people who are strong in whatthey stand in.
And it may not be something youstand in as well, something you
believe in, but the fact thatsomeone is firm and on solid
(30:57):
ground on their beliefs andtheir values is so key yeah so
find someone like that, a mentor, someone in your community,
someone in the same faith or not, whatever that looks like.
Corey, there's this the factthat we brought up that truth is
often quieter than fear, and Iwould just love, if you don't
(31:21):
mind, to elaborate on that for afew.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, that saying is so powerful because a lot of
people would just rather keeptheir head in the sand.
They don't want to talk aboutit, because it's easier to deal
with whatever you're goingthrough if you just don't face
the facts or the truth about it.
So I'd rather be silent insteadof talking about it, because
(31:44):
when you're talking about itthen someone might come to a
conclusion that we've beenmisled in the first place and
honestly, people don't like toadmit.
I've been misled, I'm beingmisled and I'm not doing
anything about it.
So just be quiet.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah.
So people have come to me aboutJen.
You were quiet during thatmeeting and I think because
truth is often quieter than fearwhen I am reactive and I'm
having these knee-jerk responses, it's because fears overcome me
.
When I'm silent, I'm able tolisten and decipher and try to
(32:28):
figure it out within me and thenI definitely circle back to it.
So people who have worked withme know that when you offload
something big with me, know thatwhen you offload something big,
I am quiet and you will hearfrom me, because I want it to be
a meaningful conversation.
Right, I want to be able to hearwhat you're saying and also I
want to be heard because there'sthis other thing that we've
(32:52):
talked about, too, where truthdoesn't need a shout, it just
needs to be heard.
Right, and I think you added itneeds to be heard and shared.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah right, I'm not a fearful person, jen, you know
this.
Uh, as far as you know facts orfiction or even lies, um,
there's only been one situationthat I've been I I can tell you
the truth about all theconspiracies that I believe in
and all that good stuff, but theone thing that really shook me
(33:23):
to my core was COVID.
There was a lot of informationgoing out that we knew.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
There's no way we could have known that kind of
information.
I feel, yeah, to make a sounddecision on what to do.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, there was information that we knew wasn't
quite right.
We knew that some of this stuffwas hip pocket policies that
were just coming out at amoment's notice, but I fell into
that fear category, not in thebeginning.
In the beginning, I think, Iwas just really out there and
(34:02):
talking about it, but then thethreats and all the bullying set
in and it was like, oh my God,this is a real thing and this is
going to get much worse beforeit gets any kind of better.
Let me shut my mouth, let me bequiet before I find myself in a
really strange situation, andthat experience has really
(34:26):
changed me in my core, becauseI've never not been talkative
about something and I foundmyself literally just silenced.
Yeah, and I've made some, somevows to myself since then, and
and I don't think it'sappropriate to talk about that
(34:47):
right now but I just know achange has to come and I want to
be that change.
I'm not, I'm not okay with that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Right, so it's definitely something you've
learned from.
Oh yeah, and because I think Iknow what you're talking about,
a question that comes to my mindfor us and everyone listening,
is what's the truth youreclaimed after surviving a lie?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
And you did survive it and you are in that spirit of
reclaiming and not having to gothrough that type of being
silenced again.
Yeah, and that leaves you feelpowerless yeah, yeah, powerless.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And like I was saying , ptsd is a real thing.
You have those flashbackmoments and you're like frozen,
like oh, do I?
Yeah, what do I say, what do Ido?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I don't ever want to feel that again, absolutely I
think for me, my reclaiming ofmy truth and this hasn't come up
at all during this episode.
I'm going to touch on itlightly and if y'all want to
hear more on this story, I haveno problem sharing the story.
As a child who has gone throughsexual abuse, you can only
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imagine what lies I believed asa result of these people and
authority over me based on theiractions.
And it wasn't later on in lifethat I reclaimed my truth, that
I didn't ask for it, I didn'tdeserve it.
I'm better than that.
I can still experience a wholeloving relationship.
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I don't have to be a victim.
That doesn't define me.
It defines them, but not me.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I'm so glad you said that Absolutely, it defines them
, but not me.
I'm so glad you said thatAbsolutely it defines them, not
you.
Yeah, wow, powerful, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
So authority has you know?
Another question is how is yourdefinition of authority evolved
?
I do want to say this becausewe do, thankfully, have people
that are in authority over us,that are sound, that speak the
truth, that don't lead us astray, and if you're listening to
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this episode, you know who youare and we're so grateful for
you.
And I, my mindset has changedfor some authority, because I'm
like man.
I would hate to be in thatposition.
That's a tough position to bein, to lead these many people
and have such an impact and haveto be able to deliver the truth
(37:30):
and take accountability.
That's a whole nother topicaccountability and ownership.
Yeah and ownership, yeah, but um, yeah, I feel like and I don't
want to misquote the good bookbut there is so much truth in
feeling free from knowing thetruth and being able to speak it
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the book says the truth willset you free that's right.
That's right.
I hope y'all have a good day.
Thanks for tuning in and wewill be back in a week and you
know us to take the elevator.
We say look up and let'selevate, elevate Every day,
(38:14):
elevate Every day.
Elevate every day.
Elevate every day, elevateevery day.
Hey, it's Jen the Builder and Corey, and welcome
everyone to take the elevator.
How is everyone?
I know I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I am feeling quite refreshed and rejuvenated.
I'm excited I got a new doctor.
Okay, I love him.
I love how he builds rapportwith me.
He has empathy, he hears me, hevalues me, we're in a medical
relationship.
It feels good.
I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's good to hear.
You don't hear that very often.
So when people tell me thatthey have a good relationship
with their medical doctor, it'sencouraging because, like I said
, you just don't hear that veryoften.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah.
So I know that we have a fullepisode ahead of us, and so I'm
going to give everyone a sneakpeek.
Is that okay?
Before we give some shout outs,let's go.
So I'm not sure if this isgonna be the title of the
episode, but let's go with it.
So it's surviving the liesauthority tells us, and what
(01:21):
we're gonna do in elevationtoday is finding truth in a
twisted world.
We can go a lot of places withthis.
I feel this is going to be agreat episode.
So tune in, share this episodewith someone and let's get to it
.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Let's do it, jen, before we get started in the
meat of the conversation, thoughyou know they have this term
that people use in certainaspects of life conversation.
Though you know they have thisterm that that people use in the
uh, in certain aspects of life.
They say you're cooking.
That means you're doing prettygood with something you know.
So, when you're doing well, sayoh yeah, you're cooking, you're
cooking, and so we are cookingright now because we have
(02:00):
listeners all over the place.
I mean, europe is jumpingreally well and I'm liking that,
I'm loving that um, I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Do you have specifics like countries in europe where
we're seeing more activity andlistening to the elevator?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
um, I actually do, but I didn't want to single
people out like that.
You know, maybe further alongin the uh digging of it, I
single people.
Okay, fine.
So hooray Europe, hooray Europe.
There's a place called Oceania.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's another big location.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and that's doing pretty well.
I can't say it right, but it'sgreat, it's doing good.
We're cooking, man, we'recooking.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
How about Asia?
Is Asia showing us some love?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Asia's showing us a little bit of love.
But you know, North America isreally putting work in Of course
, yeah, so we're good with that.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Love that.
I love that our fellowAmericans are tuning in.
And Corey, this just speaks towhat we've been talking about.
You know, with every business,there's always going to be some
rebranding or revisioning right.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Just kind of looking at where we're at.
I really love where we're going, where we're talking about
elevating everyone everywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And so seeing the map on where this podcast goes
really supports that.
That's pretty awesome.
Thank you everyone Also, yeah,For taking a ride with us.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Thank you so much.
And also I just wanted to putit out there, if there's
multiple ways to contact us,talk to us, engage with us.
We have our website,thegencocom.
You can find us there.
You could also catch us on allof our platforms and social
medias and I won't go throughall that in detail, but
(03:50):
definitely you can find us withJen the builder at gmailcom.
You can talk to her that way.
And then also one real big newone is on buzzsprout, if you're
listening, through that platform, we have opened up some ways to
be able to communicate likethat, so feel free to reach out
to us anytime.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, and you know what?
I'm going to go ahead and putit on the notes too, so you see
it in writing.
And when I say that we areavailable for conversation and
connecting, I mean I mean we, weare.
So please feel free to to getto us.
So let's start with thisopening quote by stephen honking
we ready, cory, we are readyall right, I love this.
(04:33):
Don't hear it enough.
So here it is, friends.
It says the greatest enemy ofknowledge is not ignorance, it
is the illusion of knowledge.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That can go so deep in so many different ways, and
I'm ready for it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, I love this because usually in conversation
you hear people say ignorance isbliss right.
I think this episode is exactopposite of that.
We're inviting you to not stayin the spaces of ignorance, but
rather seek truth and notbelieve the illusion of
knowledge.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right, because I think we've all discovered that
ignorance is not bliss.
As a matter of fact, it'spretty torturous when you're
ignorant that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So here's truth number one, and this one is a
bit hard to swallow, but, man, Ithink it's so true the lie is
louder than the truth.
Well, I believe thatwholeheartedly, because that's
the way history has portrayedour path and when we talk about
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lies right now, for this episode, we're talking about those who
are in authority.
Okay, because we could talkabout lies in relationships and
friendships, but right now, inthe climate that we're in, let's
be real there's a lot of liesfrom authority.
So who do we mean by authority?
well, that could be yourgovernment, your leadership
(06:00):
systems that we have set up allaround us, or that we're in
media and even family because,we do consider family an
authority figure I know that, nomatter how old we get, our moms
are still in an authorityfigure moms, dads, uncles, aunts
, grandparents yes, so, corey,you are.
(06:23):
I'm someone who studies historyrelentlessly and you've brought
so much to the table on whatyou've learned, and that, in
turn, challenges me to learnthings and really go back in
time.
So what are some examples thatcome to your mind of historical
lies from authority figures?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
let's just say history, I mean overall, overall
yeah um, the books were set upa certain way, they were written
a certain way so that theycould sway the reader to believe
that history happened this wayand only this way.
Only certain facts are admitted, or or some are omitted.
(07:08):
Some are omitted, but certainfacts are removed from history.
If you want some details, I'llgo down my street, which is
black history.
A lot of black history was justsimply removed.
They focus solely on the slavetrade andin luther king, and the
rest is not in history and eventhe things they focus on.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Regarding martin luther king, right?
Absolutely, yeah.
So now please don'tmisunderstand us, cory and I
will never, ever say that we'venever lied.
That's not the truth, no, right.
So this is not that kind ofjudgment on people who lie.
It's just the system has beenset up to lie to us, and usually
(07:52):
these lies are often dressed upas safety.
Yes, right.
Other reasons for these lies iscontrol or for tradition's sake
, right?
So let me touch on that one.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, I was about to say you might have to open that
one up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So safety control tradition?
I'm going to touch on traditionbecause that's one that comes
to my mind.
This could be something assimple as well.
We know that it's notcompletely correct or not
completely right or not alignedwith the higher way of our faith
(08:30):
or our belief system, but we goahead and do this celebration
anyway because it's familytradition and it just always has
been this way.
So I find that people keeppracticing a lie because it's
something that they're used to,and it's almost as if to drop it
(08:52):
means that you're going to losea great family tradition.
Now, I will say that it doesfeel like that initially,
because it's been a part of yourlife for so long.
But when you realize, yourealize, man, I get to choose
what I celebrate and I celebratewhat's true.
It's very freeing, but thatfeeling didn't come into play
(09:13):
till a few years in.
You know what I mean, right,yeah, and so what I'm talking
about is traditions and holidaysthat are very tied to religion,
that are actually not religiousin practice.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, jen, I'm going to elaborate just a little bit
so it's a little bit morepalatable.
There are things in holidaysthat derive from other religions
, outside of what you may benormally practicing Like.
A lot of people practiceChristianity and so you think
about maybe the Christmas treeor the Yule log.
(09:50):
Those don't derive out ofChristianity, they derive out of
another religion, and a lot ofpeople don't know that.
They just believe that it's alla part of the holiday, so let's
just celebrate it.
I believe I'm a firm believerthat you can't enjoy or truly
celebrate something until youhave all the truth that's in it
(10:12):
or about it or around it, sothat you can know what you're
really celebrating.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I think that's so important, yeah, so important
.
All right, so real quick, wewant to mention the
psychological toll of being toldone thing and experiencing
another, and I think that's thepart that really bothers me when
people in authority tell you alie but you're experiencing a
(10:38):
whole nother thing, like there'snothing to be worried about or
stressed out about, Everything'sfine.
And everything in my body,everything I'm seeing and
experiencing, says otherwise.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, and even when you say I'm terrified, I'm
scared, I don't know what'shappening, and I need to know.
You're constantly beingconvinced that there's nothing
to be afraid of.
You're overreacting andeverything is going to be okay.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah.
And Corey, I want to take acouple steps back, because I
also want to note here that ouragenda and our purpose for
elevation is not to convince youof one way.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
no, what we're really saying here is search the truth
, right, don't believe that youhave the knowledge because
someone else told you this right, which is the illusion, but
rather seek it for yourself well, the greatness in being an
elevator someone who elevelevates is the ability to be
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able to determine what's trueand what's not, and then you can
have a bigger view of how tooperate from that point.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, you can make informed decisions, right?
We hear that term a lot and Ithink we're in a place in our
lives, in this world, where ourdecisions, they're always
important, but they they're verycritical right now.
Yeah, right, so I have aquestion for you, sure, because
I love.
I love getting in your brain,and I know that we have people
(12:18):
who reach out to us and say, man, I would, I would never go
where cory went, but he reallygave us something to think about
.
So or have you ever realizedsomething that you believed from
an authority figure?
So you were like, wholehearted,man, this is good, this is the
truth, and then you realized itwas a lie absolutely um,
(12:41):
multiple things when the numbersdon't match up about anything,
and the numbers just don't lie.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So if you do a calculation on an event and I
don't care where it is in timeor how long ago it you know it
was told, and especially if it'seven longer ago what happens is
is when you start crunching thenumbers and they don't add up
and I'm talking about anythingit changes everything inside of
(13:11):
you because you realize at thatmoment that if you lied about
the most simplest of things, theprobability that you've lied
about the big things goes evenhigher.
It goes berserk in my mind.
So, I just learned look intoeverything, research things and
(13:31):
don't take anything as gospel.
And when I say that I don'tmean like as the Bible, I mean
don't just say it's true becausesomeone said it.
You have to tell yourself it'strue, because I know it.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, and I'd like to say something about that
too, because when people bringthings my way, a way to research
, it is not just google.
Guys like google this, oh see,google said and I've heard a lot
of people say that, right.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Or ChatGPT said.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Or YouTube yes.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So with that multiple sources, right, get deep into
it, because things are hidden.
The authority doesn't want youto know certain things, so
they're going to do a reallygood job at hiding these things.
It's not going to be so obvious, right?
So look into it, mark.
I promise you you'll find somethings that you'll be like.
(14:26):
What?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
and let's be clear, jen, I don't want to just blame
it all on authority.
I think in a lot ofcircumstances authority has
tried to fix some of themisnomers or some of the
mistruths that are out there,but because we as people double
down on the narrative, we refuseto let it go and we find
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ourselves in a really badsituation because sometimes
authority is saying hey, wait,wait, we've tried to change this
, we've tried to tell you thisand try to fix it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Right.
10 years later, however long itis, we have to tell you the
truth.
We have to show you the records.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It's right there for you to see it and that's the
part that I that really bugs me,because they've put it out,
they've shown you, it's outthere and sometimes it is on
google or youtube and we stillignore it or look past it yeah,
well, it's interesting becauseeven when I do professional
development workshops, I'll sayyou are going to seek I'm sorry,
(15:28):
you are going to find what youseek, right.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So if I'm looking for something to prove what I think
is right, that's exactly whatI'm going to find.
How wonderful would it be tosay well, what if I'm I'm not
wrong, but what else could it be?
What else?
What else is out there?
Yeah, right.
So I love what you're saying,Corey, because we're also not
(15:51):
trying to come down hard onauthority.
I think for most things theymaybe say the lies that they do
to protect status quo, to keepfrom mass chaos or whatever.
It is Right.
So I think sometimes I get it,and then I also think, on the
(16:12):
counter, that lies are beingtold for control or to put fear
in people.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, I have one side and one side only.
I want to know the whole truth,nothing but the truth.
So help me.
And the reason why is because Iwant to know the whole truth,
nothing but the truth.
So help me.
And the reason why is because Iwant to make my own decisions.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Right and manage your own feelings and emotions and
go through it.
Let me handle the truth.
You know like it's almost.
We're adults, we're competent,we're big kids now.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Exactly, and the thing is is that we've seen how
some adults handle things andthey don't handle it the way I
do, they don't think about itthe way I do, they don't process
it the way I do, and so somethings aren't a big deal to them
because they're fine with notknowing.
I've had people tell mestraight up, you know what.
I'm not really concerned aboutthat, that doesn't bother me,
(17:04):
like that.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I'm like, oh okay , well, I am, I need to know,
right, right.
So it's almost like thatquestion are you sure you want
the?
Truth yes, and then I say yes,give it to me, or are you able
to handle.
This is from a movie, I think,with jack nicholson and tom
cruise right, you can to handlethis.
This is from a movie, I think,with Jack Nicholson and Tom
Cruise right, you can't handlethe truth.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You can't handle the truth.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Ask me if I'm able to .
And then it's on me.
I have the ownership, theaccountability to say well, I
asked for it and you gave it tome, but I'm really interested.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Who, listening, doesn't want to know the truth?
And if you can reach out to usor connect with us, please do so
.
And I'm very um my, my antennaeare high and alert because I
really want to know who does notcare about if they're being
told the truth or not yeah, soI'm going to answer um that
(18:01):
indirectly.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Okay, there are times in my life based on where I'm
at emotionally, mentally, andjust challenges I'm going
through, where, although I wantto know the truth, I know that I
can't process it or it'll sendme over the edge, right, and I
think this episode is very edgyand and I'm totally okay with
(18:23):
that.
So I almost want to say can youbank it somewhere, can you put
it right there on that shelf sothat when I'm ready, it's right
there for me to take it in?
right, you know what I mean,yeah um, and sometimes you'll
tell me stuff, cory, and itlooks like I'm checked out, but
it's really okay.
I need to move certain thingsto make room for this, because
(18:46):
right now I'm on overload right,you know, I've seen that.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Look, it's the deer in headlights, like what is
happening.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I was like I already feel heavy.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
This just got extremely, extremely heavy but I
want to do the the listeners afavor, because we're doing a lot
of vague round and about typeof conversation.
Let's throw out one tangiblething that people have been and
no, it's not going to be thatthing that you're thinking about
(19:16):
.
I promise you it's going to beabout aliens.
We were told for years thatthey don't exist.
We were told that the shipsthat people were seeing and
spotting that was nothing.
It comes out one day thataliens are here and then the
(19:36):
very next day, it was anexperiment or an exercise that
the military was putting on, andso you fast forward to 2022,
2021, 2020, whatever it was, andwe get these reports that
saying it's true, they are there, they're out here.
Right, that that was a lie,that did not need to be told I
(20:02):
bet you right now people aregoogling aliens absolutely yeah,
why not?
but that that lie lasted, I mean, even as far back as roswell.
I think that was in the 40s or50s you know, don't quote me on
that one.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I'm not sure what year the roswell thing happened,
but people were told that theywere literally crazy and that
that did not happen so I think,with a good point on that,
because with this comesemotional gaslighting, yeah,
which on top of the lie is justan, is an insult to injury,
right?
yeah like oh, that's not true,oh, you're overreacting, oh
(20:39):
you're such a con um conspiracytheorist, right?
Or that's not what was said,right?
So, corey, let's and we cantalk about it, or we can ask our
friends to do some research, orlet us know what you all think
Is what are three ways torecognize when you're being
(21:00):
gaslit by someone in power?
What's something that'scommonly said?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
in power.
What's something that'scommonly said?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
um, I can't get the exact phrasing, but I know it's
built around.
It's for your safety.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah you just gotta trust us right, we we'd never
lead you astray or when theylead you to believe that
education gives them moreknowledge or more than you could
ever find, because you're notas educated as we are Right.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
so you start to self-doubt and it really gets
confusing, right?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And the one I hate the most is when it turns into a
philosophical word salad thatvery few people even understand
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, and it doesn't even address the question at
hand.
Absolutely Right, Good ones,All right.
So let's go into the cost ofsilence.
My first question is whathappens when people don't speak
up?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
More harm, more hurt, more distrust.
You find yourself in a muchmore vulnerable place.
I've seen people go intodepression, high anxiety,
looking for more lies so thatthey can figure out how to deal
(22:26):
with the one lie.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, I think it brings about a place to the
erosion of your own self-trust.
Yeah, Because I've asked myselfwhy didn't you say anything
right there?
What's wrong with you?
Like you know, this is wrongand you're not saying anything,
right, and that really plays apart on you.
Can I help a little?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
bit right here, please.
Um, the best way, when you knowthat you're being lied to about
something that's important, isjust to ask a question and and
if you don't get the answeryou're looking for, that's
probably the better thing,because I ask questions knowing
(23:10):
somewhat of what the answer isand if you give me an outlandish
, wrong, absurd type of answer,it just doubles down and proves
even more that, hey, I'm on theright track.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
That is really good advice.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm not too far off a base that I thought I was,
because this person just wentway overboard.
And that's the crazy thingLiars can't just tell you a
simple lie.
It has to be elaborate andlayered.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah and over-explained.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I think silence, too, is an act of complicity.
So by being silent, we continuethe lies, we enable it Right.
So I love this reflectionmoment question that we talked
about earlier between you and I.
It's what lie have I beenliving with because I didn't
(24:03):
want to rock the boat?
Man that one goes deep.
I think that is a whole notherepisode or two, but I just want
to make sure to leave that outthere and maybe it'll land with
someone and your challenge tolean into this question.
And that again was what liehave I been living with because
(24:26):
I didn't want to rock the boat,and how long have I been living
with this lie?
And you know, just seem out thetoll it's taken on me on you.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I'll say this about that when you're living a
lie and you're forced to livewith it and forced to believe
that everything is all rightwhen you know it's not.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It eats at you.
Yeah, moment by moment, dayafter day, year after year, it
just really gnaws at you,because you know it never goes
away.
It's like you think you wouldjust forget about it and you can
move on.
But you can't.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
It's like nephrotic tissue, right, Like if you have
something on your body that'sinfected.
It just grows and you may notsee the signs and symptoms of an
infection till later, but thenit's out of control.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right, and just to give a cap to that, jen and I
had to have that conversationabout some things that we were
living with other people andwith each other, just to I don't
know a slay the dragon, so tospeak.
You know, get it out the wayand just get it in the open.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
All truth shouldn't go to everyone, but most truths
need to be told at least tosomeone.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, absolutely, and so I think of people in our
lives that may do that throughsomeone they trusted to church
or through a coach, a therapist,a partner that's so healthy and
needed to have that.
So I think it leads beautifullyinto this part that truth
(26:21):
telling is survival.
Truth telling is survival Like.
So here's where we want to givesome really good tips on truth
telling as a form of survival.
So how to spot the truth whenauthority spins a lie, right?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Do you have any sound advice on that?
Again, when you want to spot alie, listen to the details.
There's usually too many, andbecause there's so many details,
something's conflicting.
One of those details is goingto conflict with another one, so
it just doesn't make sense,right?
And when you have all thatinformation, you just sit with
(27:04):
it and put it together again.
The numbers never lie, and soif it's 20 miles from your home
to work, it's always going to be20 miles.
If there's ever two or threeextra miles added in there, then
there's a lie okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I also think too that you know I love the word
curiosity when you're inconversation and you posture in
curiosity, and you said earlierin this episode ask a question,
Do not not say anything, becauseasking a question even if you
get the wrong answer or theanswer you're not looking for,
it still puts you out there.
The wrong answer or the answeryou're not looking for, it still
(27:44):
puts you out there.
So I think, in this way too, isget curious about what you're
being told.
Ask the questions, find outyour own answers.
I love how questions build,don't you?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I love that.
I also love that if you ask aquestion and it provokes the
person, that's a big red flag,the defense comes up, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So I think it's important that we build our own
filters.
We've talked about doingresearch, critical thinking.
Right, it does require time andenergy, but it's so worth it to
sift through.
Another word, another concept,another fact, another power that
I love that we have isintuition yes, intuition, and I
(28:39):
was talking to my doctor and wewere talking about intuition,
and I love this part too,because it's very much tied to
your gastrointestinal system.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Your gut.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Your gut, yeah, your gut.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Your gut yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Like physically and he says, the more people take
care of their gut physically.
There's research and studiesthat have shown a tie to
stronger intuition and pickingup on that voice right.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Right.
I love that you said that,because there's a couple of
things within that.
So you got to trust your gut,especially if it's healthy.
That's number one.
Number two there are thingswe're doing to ourselves that
we've been told is OK to do.
I'm a big proponent in exposingsome things that are dangerous
for us.
Microwave rays are dangerousfor us.
(29:30):
That that blocks and breaksdown and hurts parts of our body
.
Aluminum directly in our bodyis dangerous for us, so it
blocks and breaks down, you know.
So if you have multiple thingsthat you're blocking and
breaking down in your body, yourgut can't decipher properly,
and so the quicker you get to aclean gut, the quicker you get
(29:50):
to a clean body, the faster youcan determine some of the things
that are being told to you.
And I just want to really closemy portion with this.
The importance of this is thatif you're a parent, if you're a
coach, if you're a leader, ifyou're someone of authority that
can be trusted, trust me,people will go to you first
(30:13):
because they'll say, oh no, Ican ask him or her because I
know they know the truth, or Iknow they'll tell me the truth
and we can be okay with thatanswer and then get some more
information after getting thetruth.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah.
So that ties into truth-tellingand survival, finding those
voices you trust.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
And if you are the voice that someone trusts, what
an honor.
That is right.
And I think people that we lookto for that voice of trust are
people who are strong in whatthey stand in.
And it may not be something youstand in as well, something you
believe in, but the fact thatsomeone is firm and on solid
(30:57):
ground on their beliefs andtheir values is so key yeah so
find someone like that, a mentor, someone in your community,
someone in the same faith or not, whatever that looks like.
Corey, there's this the factthat we brought up that truth is
often quieter than fear, and Iwould just love, if you don't
(31:21):
mind, to elaborate on that for afew.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, that saying is so powerful because a lot of
people would just rather keeptheir head in the sand.
They don't want to talk aboutit, because it's easier to deal
with whatever you're goingthrough if you just don't face
the facts or the truth about it.
So I'd rather be silent insteadof talking about it, because
(31:44):
when you're talking about itthen someone might come to a
conclusion that we've beenmisled in the first place and
honestly, people don't like toadmit.
I've been misled, I'm beingmisled and I'm not doing
anything about it.
So just be quiet.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah.
So people have come to me aboutJen.
You were quiet during thatmeeting and I think because
truth is often quieter than fearwhen I am reactive and I'm
having these knee-jerk responses, it's because fears overcome me
.
When I'm silent, I'm able tolisten and decipher and try to
(32:28):
figure it out within me and thenI definitely circle back to it.
So people who have worked withme know that when you offload
something big with me, know thatwhen you offload something big,
I am quiet and you will hearfrom me, because I want it to be
a meaningful conversation.
Right, I want to be able to hearwhat you're saying and also I
want to be heard because there'sthis other thing that we've
(32:52):
talked about, too, where truthdoesn't need a shout, it just
needs to be heard.
Right, and I think you added itneeds to be heard and shared.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah right, I'm not a fearful person, jen, you know
this.
Uh, as far as you know facts orfiction or even lies, um,
there's only been one situationthat I've been I I can tell you
the truth about all theconspiracies that I believe in
and all that good stuff, but theone thing that really shook me
(33:23):
to my core was COVID.
There was a lot of informationgoing out that we knew.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
There's no way we could have known that kind of
information.
I feel, yeah, to make a sounddecision on what to do.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, there was information that we knew wasn't
quite right.
We knew that some of this stuffwas hip pocket policies that
were just coming out at amoment's notice, but I fell into
that fear category, not in thebeginning.
In the beginning, I think, Iwas just really out there and
(34:02):
talking about it, but then thethreats and all the bullying set
in and it was like, oh my God,this is a real thing and this is
going to get much worse beforeit gets any kind of better.
Let me shut my mouth, let me bequiet before I find myself in a
really strange situation, andthat experience has really
(34:26):
changed me in my core, becauseI've never not been talkative
about something and I foundmyself literally just silenced.
Yeah, and I've made some, somevows to myself since then, and
and I don't think it'sappropriate to talk about that
(34:47):
right now but I just know achange has to come and I want to
be that change.
I'm not, I'm not okay with that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Right, so it's definitely something you've
learned from.
Oh yeah, and because I think Iknow what you're talking about,
a question that comes to my mindfor us and everyone listening,
is what's the truth youreclaimed after surviving a lie?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
And you did survive it and you are in that spirit of
reclaiming and not having to gothrough that type of being
silenced again.
Yeah, and that leaves you feelpowerless yeah, yeah, powerless.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And like I was saying , ptsd is a real thing.
You have those flashbackmoments and you're like frozen,
like oh, do I?
Yeah, what do I say, what do Ido?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I don't ever want to feel that again, absolutely I
think for me, my reclaiming ofmy truth and this hasn't come up
at all during this episode.
I'm going to touch on itlightly and if y'all want to
hear more on this story, I haveno problem sharing the story.
As a child who has gone throughsexual abuse, you can only
(36:06):
imagine what lies I believed asa result of these people and
authority over me based on theiractions.
And it wasn't later on in lifethat I reclaimed my truth, that
I didn't ask for it, I didn'tdeserve it.
I'm better than that.
I can still experience a wholeloving relationship.
(36:28):
I don't have to be a victim.
That doesn't define me.
It defines them, but not me.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I'm so glad you said that Absolutely, it defines them
, but not me.
I'm so glad you said thatAbsolutely it defines them, not
you.
Yeah, wow, powerful, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
So authority has you know?
Another question is how is yourdefinition of authority evolved
?
I do want to say this becausewe do, thankfully, have people
that are in authority over us,that are sound, that speak the
truth, that don't lead us astray, and if you're listening to
(37:10):
this episode, you know who youare and we're so grateful for
you.
And I, my mindset has changedfor some authority, because I'm
like man.
I would hate to be in thatposition.
That's a tough position to bein, to lead these many people
and have such an impact and haveto be able to deliver the truth
(37:30):
and take accountability.
That's a whole nother topicaccountability and ownership.
Yeah and ownership, yeah, but um, yeah, I feel like and I don't
want to misquote the good bookbut there is so much truth in
feeling free from knowing thetruth and being able to speak it
(37:51):
the book says the truth willset you free that's right.
That's right.
I hope y'all have a good day.
Thanks for tuning in and wewill be back in a week and you
know us to take the elevator.
We say look up and let'selevate, elevate Every day,
(38:14):
elevate Every day.
Elevate every day.
Elevate every day, elevateevery day.
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