September 29, 2024 • 38 mins
In this episode of the Take Your Medicine Podcast, host Phil Cowley, a pharmacist with 25 years of experience, invites entrepreneur and health advocate Karalynne Call to share her inspiring journey towards taking control of her health. The discussion touches on the importance of listening to patients' stories in medicine, struggles with depression and overcoming it through a natural and holistic approach, and the role of nutrition and lifestyle changes in healing. Karalynne also talks about her successful venture, Just Ingredients, and their new NAD Plus Complex product, which aims to combat aging and boost energy. The episode emphasizes persistence, the power of community, and small steps towards better health.
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Phil (00:03):
Welcome to Take Your Medicine Podcast.
My name is Phil Cowley.
I'm a pharmacist of 25 years,and I have learned the best way
to learn anything in medicine isto listen to your patients.
After 25 years of hearingstories, I thought it's time to
start letting everybody elsehear these stories.
Today, we've got Karalynne Call.
She's brilliant.
She's an entrepreneur.
She's taken her health in herown hands.
(00:25):
And most importantly, she's afriend.
So today we're going to gothrough her story, how she got
here, and more importantly, whoshe took along the way.
Thank you so much, Karalynne,for being on our podcast.
Karalynne (00:37):
Thank you so much for having me.
The whole idea of you havingpeople on here to hear their
stories is fascinating.
I'm like, Ooh, I need to tune init is the stories that are so
just amazing to listen to.
Phil (00:50):
Well, the thing is, is in healthcare, we're really good at
telling people things that we'reso terrible about hearing what's
going on in a person's life.
And I found as soon as you takea second to listen to somebody.
The whole conversation changesbecause most of the time they
come in and they, you come inand say, I'm feeling depressed
and then we just orate to theperson.
Here's what you have to do.
And at some point, some point, Ithought maybe I should hear what
(01:13):
they want to have happen ratherthan tell them what they should
do.
And it was amazing the knowledgeand wisdom that the patients
had.
So I really love that listening.
And I'm like, you know,everybody needs to hear it, but
HIPAA makes that hard.
I thought, well, if they sayyes, then we can talk about
anything.
So, Oh, I love that.
So I do want to talk about yournew product.
(01:33):
That's out really quickly.
So Just Ingredients justreleased an NAD plus complex,
and I've been looking for an NADproduct for a long time because
NAD we know drops substantiallyas we age.
And as it drops, everything thatwe hate about aging gets worse.
But most of the NAD products,they just stop with the
nicotinamide riboside.
(01:54):
And instead, they did somethingreally cool in this one.
They took the copper part of thenicotinamide and they put them
together.
And this is a huge step forwardbecause with our nicotinic acid,
which is a vitamin B3 that'sactivated, we get all of our
energy.
But when you put it in a coppercomplex, it starts to stimulate
the dimutase that we need inorder to stop the anti oxidation
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process.
So Karalynne, this product, yourNAD plus complex is fantastic.
Like it's really, really wellformulated.
Can you tell everybody wherethey can find it, how they can
get it?
Karalynne (02:28):
Yeah.
And you did a great jobexplaining that.
And I'll just tell people you'reright with the anti aging
effects.
Like if you are feeling thoseanti aging effects, especially
tiredness and your energyslowing down or even
inflammation, you know, jointpain, things like that.
This NAD is awesome for it.
Even anti aging with skin.
It can even help weight.
(02:49):
I mean, so many things, but I amloving it for my energy.
I swear by it just my energyfeels so good when i'm on it So
that's what i'm always tellingpeople like if you need more
energy You got to try this, butyou can find it at
JustIngredients.us that's ourwebsite
Phil (03:06):
And then we also can always find you on Instagram and
i'm sure there's a link on thereas well So it's
just.ingredients.
Is that correct?
Karalynne (03:14):
Yes on Instagram Yeah, just.Ingredients.
So just.Ingredients onInstagram, but on the website.
It's JustIngredients.us
Okay.
Karalynne has done her homework.
If you go to justingredients.usand put in the code,
PHILSMYPHARMACIST you get anadded discount, but the best
part about the Just Ingredientsproducts is that you can trust
(03:36):
them.
You can look on the back,pronounce them, you know, where
they came from.
That's the reason why I lovetheir protein and this new NAD
Plus Complex is going to be agame changer.
So go to justingredients.us,pick out a product, put in,
PHILSMYPHARMACIST, the code,save some money, but most
importantly, feel good aboutwhat you bought and good about
(03:57):
what's put in your body.
Phil (04:00):
Perfect.
All right.
So your story, I love yourstory.
I've heard your story so manytimes because I listen to it
every time it gets betterbecause you have new things you
bring in everything else.
But the part I really love iswhen you talk about your
husband.
So I wanted to start because,you know, I'm a husband, so I
like that part.
Well, I want to start, how didyou meet your husband?
(04:21):
I want to start, I love hearinghow people meet.
Like, it's always these, almostlike it's beyond fortuitous, so.
Karalynne (04:28):
Well, this is sort of funny.
We met at Brigham YoungUniversity at school, but I was,
um, in a math major.
That's what I majored in.
And I was studying math out atthe pool, and he, um, saw me
studying.
And so he came up to me, and hewas like,
Phil (04:45):
Was it the math book or that you were sitting by the
pool?
Do you think that had him comeover?
Karalynne (04:51):
Not the math, probably not the math book,
probably that it was by thepool.
But he saw that it was a mathbook and came up and his line
was, Oh, I'm studying or I'm ina statistics class and really
struggling in the statisticsclass.
Looks like you know math andthings.
Maybe you could help me.
And I guess I looked up at him.
I don't remember this.
(05:12):
This is terrible.
But I guess I looked up at himand said, yeah, whatever.
And went back to my studying ofmy math.
And so we lived at the sameapartment complex.
And every time he saw me, he waslike, oh, there's that girl that
wouldn't even give me the timeof day and wanted nothing to do
with me basically.
And so long story short,
Phil (05:31):
Well, to be fair, he could have done better on the line.
I gotta be honest.
You know what I mean?
You saw that one coming.
Karalynne (05:38):
Exactly.
So I guess I was this person formonths that he just stayed away
from.
And long story short, I thenbecame really good friends with
one of his roommates, who Iactually liked, and I would go
over to visit his roommate andgot to know Jeff better.
And as I started to get to knowJeff, then Jeff and I started
(06:00):
dating rather than his roommate.
And so, but it took months afterthat first pickup line for this
to all happen because he was nothappy with me.
So,
Phil (06:09):
But that's sometimes like to work for it a little bit more
is better.
Cause it's not that, you know,it takes, its while you, you,
you have to make like asourdough bread so much better
than a white bread, even thoughit takes so much longer to make.
Right.
True.
Great analogy, So I met my wifehere at USU and we got married
in four months.
How long, because, oh, becausewe have to ask, because you are
(06:29):
at BYU.
How long did you guys datebefore you got married?
Karalynne (06:33):
So we actually dated, um, we were dated a year before
we got engaged.
And then it was about 18 monthsbefore we got married, because I
was determined to graduatecollege first, before I got
married, I don't know why it wasjust one of these things.
I did not want to be married incollege.
And so I graduated the lastweekend in April and the first
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weekend of May we got married.
So I did wait until after I hadgraduated.
Phil (06:59):
Oh, there you go.
Karalynne (07:01):
I didn't want to rush into it.
Phil (07:03):
In BYU terms, that's like 10 years, just so everybody out
there understands.
Like, that's a long time.
So you were married for a while.
First kid, how long did you waittill the first child?
Karalynne (07:12):
Well, this is what's crazy is, uh, my older two
sisters deal with infertility ordealt with infertility quite
badly.
And so it took them years andyears to get pregnant and, you
know, needed help to getpregnant.
And so after a year of beingmarried, I was like, we have to
start trying because it's goingto take years and I can't go to
the infertility doctor untilwe've tried for a while.
(07:35):
Well, first month trying, wewere pregnant.
So a year after being married, Igot pregnant.
Phil (07:40):
So I want to twist right now because you brought it up.
It's funny how many people haveinfertility issues and the first
move is let's do all theseprocedures.
After all of your 18 years plusof everything that you've got
going on, is your take oninfertility a little bit
different now than it used tobe?
Karalynne (07:56):
So different, so different.
But back then when I was firstmarried, I had no idea about
health and nutrition.
I just was, you know, regulareating American standard diet,
thought whatever was sold on thestore shelves was great to eat,
didn't understand how to nourishmy body, things like that.
I thought if you hadinfertility, then you just tried
(08:17):
for a year and then went and sawa infertility specialist and did
IVF or something else, you know,and now it's completely changed.
Phil (08:26):
Right.
And so what, because we dealtwith a lot of infertility
ourselves.
And, you know, initially Ijumped into the system and when
you can't been told you can'thave a baby, it kind of crushes
your soul.
Even if you didn't really knowyou wanted one, that's the thing
that's always strange.
It's like, you didn't know you,you didn't want when you tried,
you couldn't have it.
Now it becomes the mostimportant thing in the world.
(08:46):
And considering some of the newdocumentation that's out there
with all the hormone disruption,and I'm going off a tangent here
because I'm going back to yourstory, but I, one of the big
pushes that Just Ingredients hashad is we've got to stop
disrupting all these hormones.
Karalynne (09:00):
Yep.
Yeah.
So one thing is the endocrinedisruptors and all of our beauty
products, um, like you said, istruly messing with our hormones.
And then the other thing isinflammation causes such a
problem with infertility andinflammation has a lot to do
with our lifestyle factors, butalso our diet.
And then we know of course, likeblood glucose levels play a huge
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role in PCOS.
And PCOS is you know, on therise has skyrocketed and that's
due to different factors, but amain factor is the blood glucose
levels and these inflammationlevels.
And so, yeah, if I were dealingwith infertility now as
somebody, I would first look atmy diet, my glucose levels, my
lifestyle factors, my beautyproducts.
(09:44):
I would first do that.
Then See a specialist.
Phil (09:48):
It's funny because I always look at it if people were
a herd of cattle.
You wouldn't treat each cowdifferent you start looking at
the whole herd and say what'sgoing on to the herd and you'd
start looking at key thingswithin the herd.
And what you're talking about isyes there always are people that
have problems and we wentthrough the whole thing.
And anybody that's going throughinfertility stuff, I, there's
(10:10):
part of you just wants to go upand give them a hug and tell
them it's going to be okay,because like it is the hardest
thing in the world, but we startlooking at this hormone
disruption and the fact thatPCOS is almost doubled in 10
years, like it's insane, andlater onset PCOS is really
starting to confuse peoplebecause insulin resistance,
changes inside the uterine wall,the uterine wall starts changing
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the way our endocrine systemworks.
All of it's tied so muchtogether.
So it, if we start looking atthe commonality, it's food
sources has to be playing in itas well as all of the musks and
everything else and that we haveinside of our products.
Karalynne (10:45):
Yeah, it's true.
And infertility is, I use thesame analogy with infertility as
I do like depression or canceror really any chronic health
issue.
And the thing is, it's like if ahouse were on fire, you wouldn't
put just one tiny little hose onthe house and hope that that
would take care of it.
You would bring on multiplehoses coming at the fire at all
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different angles to, you know,try to get that fire out.
And I feel it's the same waywith infertility, depression,
cancer, they all have differentroot causes.
They all have different reasonswhy this has happened, but let's
not just put one little hose onit.
Maybe let's call that thespecialist.
Let's put lots of differenthoses on it coming at different
(11:28):
angles, such as the food, thenutrition, the endocrine
disruptors, the lifestylefactors, the alternative
medicine, but then also westernmedicine or this doctors, the
specialists, you know what Imean?
It's just, we've got to bringall those factors when we're
trying to heal.
Phil (11:43):
Yeah, it's like you're trying to run your car and
you're like, okay, I'm willingto use two cylinders, even
though I have four.
It's kind of a weird mindsetthat we have.
I 100% agree with that.
And we have brought updepression.
So we, I want to kind of gothrough the first baby.
Everything went good.
You guys are blissfully happyand you're in California at this
time.
Is that right?
Karalynne (12:00):
We were, yeah, no, actually we were in Utah.
Sorry.
We've moved, we moved like ninetimes in 11 years.
So it's hard to keep it allstraight, but we were in Utah at
that time.
Phil (12:10):
Aren't those fun years?
Like I always look back at thoseyears when we were four and we
were starting out, but we didn'tknow.
And like, you just come home andjust, it was just those times
where you look back and they'relike, they set these core
memories of just, you know, itmakes everybody smile when they
think of that time when they'rejust so young and everything's
fine, you have no idea.
That right around the corner thedarkness is waiting for you that
(12:33):
you have to right like fightyour way through and learn and
grow.
Karalynne (12:37):
Right exactly
Phil (12:39):
So you have the one child everything seems to be fine
you're you're feeling likeyourself is that
Karalynne (12:44):
Yep and then had a second one and same.
Phil (12:46):
Everything's still good you're like okay this is me
everything's happy yep and thenwe go to number three.
What happens after number three?
Karalynne (12:53):
So I actually felt fine afterwards.
Like, you know, your typical,you might have some baby blues
or whatever, but nothing like, Imean, I felt pretty good.
But, when he was over a year,That is when my depression
actually really kicked in.
And what was hard is back thenthey would say when I went to
the doctor, they'd say, oh, yourbaby's over a year.
(13:15):
So it's not postpartum.
Phil (13:16):
Don't you love how they had like these things, like they
want to categorize you, throwyou in the box and be done.
So, right.
Karalynne (13:22):
And looking back, I don't know if it was necessarily
postpartum there.
Um, once I, well, I should justtell the story.
I dealt with this depression,for a good year plus.
And I don't know how many knowthe story, but I just was tired
of, I was going to these doctorsasking for help saying, I
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haven't always felt like this.
Something happened.
I want to know how to heal fromthis.
And they would all say, well, wedon't know how to help you heal,
but we can give you anantidepressant.
And I'd say, well, will thatantidepressant heal me?
And they would say, no, it willjust help your symptoms, but it
won't heal you.
And I'd say, well, what can healme?
And they would say, we don'tknow.
Granted, this was 18, 19 yearsago.
(14:03):
If some, if you have a doctortoday who says that, I say like.
Say thank you very much for yourtime and leave and go find a new
doctor.
Because we know so many thingsthat contribute to depression
these days.
Phil (14:14):
You see that's really important like that is the key
to this podcast I'm gonna comeback and make sure you finish
your story.
But the key is is empoweringpeople because they feel so weak
in a doctor's office they saidwell, that's what he said.
We have to go.
So listening to you to say Ilove everything you do.
You're a fantastic doctor forwhat you do shake their hand and
say, okay I'm gonna go findsomebody else.
(14:34):
People don't understand howempowering that is to have that
advice from you.
So I appreciate that so much.
Like it's something people needto hear.
Karalynne (14:41):
Well, because those doctors I was going to, maybe
they were awesome at deliveringbabies.
Maybe they were awesome at Csections.
Maybe they were awesome.
I went to all different types.
Maybe some were great with, youknow, some other condition.
Maybe depression just wasn'ttheir thing.
So you've got to find a doctorthat has done the research, know
and fits with what your need is.
So anyways, that was myfrustration is I was going for
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over a year to these doctors.
No one had any advice on how toheal.
And I kept dealing with thisdepression.
The depression was gettingworse.
People would say like, hold on,look for the light at the end of
the tunnel.
And I would literally be like,there is no light at the end of
the tunnel.
Like this is pure misery.
I'm not myself anymore.
I'm angry.
I'm frustrated.
(15:24):
I there's days I couldn't evendo my normal tasks of like
wanting to get dressed or feedthe kids.
There were days I couldn't feedthe kids.
There was I just wanted to be inbed.
I mean, I've experienced all thedifferent emotions of depression
because depression, goes throughall of those different symptoms.
And so I was dealing with all ofthem.
And one day I just had had it.
(15:45):
I through this 18 months ofhaving this.
I had multiple times of justthinking I'm not worth anything
on this earth.
Like I need to just end my lifebecause these kids don't deserve
a mom like this.
They deserve someone better.
Oh, I'm going to cry talkingabout it.
Phil (16:02):
I want you to, cause I, there was a point in 2020 where
I slumped.
I was in the pharmacy, it wasgoing under, and I thought my
value was nothing more than Icould produce.
And I literally slumped down onthe ground.
Yeah.
Like I, I was sitting on thefloor and it's, uh, pharmacy
floors get dirty fast.
And so, and my wife came andpicked me up, like she just
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knew, and she came.
So your story resonates with allof us, the feeling of
worthlessness.
We have to normalize the ideathat that, that, that happens to
everybody and you have to reachout.
So I love your story because ofthat part alone.
Karalynne (16:42):
Yeah, it was hopeless and I felt like I was a terrible
wife.
My husband was stuck dealingwith this.
You know, person that he didn'tchoose to be with at first, you
know, I'm completely differentof not being able to even take
care of myself or the kids ordeal with life.
And so I just one day, felttotally hopeless.
Like you said, cause the doctorsweren't giving me any hope that
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there was anything to heal fromthis.
So I thought I was doomed withthis for the rest of my life.
And so I actually attemptedsuicide and thankfully by the
grace of God and by miracles,the attempt failed.
But that was my wake up call ofI have hit complete rock bottom.
There is no further bottom thantrying to take your life.
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And so at that point, that'swhen, Jeff really got on board
to help me.
Cause I don't think he realizedthe severity of it until then.
And we were dedicated to findinga doctor that would help me.
And I wasn't going to give upuntil I found a doctor.
And it did take two more yearsof looking for a doctor.
That could help me.
And finally, I found a doctortwo years later who said, and I
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should say at this point, I didgo on antidepressants.
And so I don't have anythingagainst antidepressants, but for
me, I wanted to heal and I knewantidepressants were life saving
at the moment, but not somethingI wanted to be on my whole life.
Phil (18:02):
They are a useful tool.
I actually believe everything isa tool in the toolbox.
Right.
And tools should be used for theright time and the right amount.
But if you're using your vicegrips as a hammer, you're never
going to fix anything.
And so I love how people whenthey talk about combining it the
way that I that you talk aboutcombining it and saying, okay I
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was I was dedicated.
We talk a lot about doing hardthings and we preach about
telling everybody you can dohard things.
But when you've done hardthings, you kind of wish I
didn't have to do those.
I'm glad I'm where I'm at, butboy, I wish I could have learned
that another way.
And so I love the way you talkabout it because you're like,
you were dedicated at thatpoint.
You're gonna do this.
And I know you're a runner andI'm a runner.
(18:45):
We both know you have to powerthrough mile three.
So you can get the bliss at milesix.
And so I love your story.
Cause I can just hear a runnerand every time I do it, I'm
like, okay, that second mile sohard, but so you're, you go to
this doctor.
She says, hey, this isn't goingto be easy.
You gotta be dedicated to it.
Yeah.
I love it.
Took a while, right?
Karalynne (19:05):
It did.
I love that.
She said, okay, are you willingto work?
Because there's no magic pillfor this.
This isn't going to happenovernight.
It's going to take a lot of workon your part.
And I was like, yes, I am sodesperate.
I will do anything just becauseI wanted the help so badly.
And back then.
We didn't have the internet tojust Google like, what can you
do naturally for depression orwhat can help?
(19:26):
There wasn't that you had to goto a doctor or read it from a
book or find some course aboutit, you know.
Phil (19:31):
And this information was tough because you would get in
there you talk to somebody beall in but you couldn't fact
check anything So I love howdedicated you were.
Karalynne (19:39):
Right.
And so she taught me thatdepression was just your body
screaming for help.
Your body can't verbally speakto you.
So it's going to speak to youthrough symptoms.
And so she was like, we justneed to figure out what your
root causes, what they are andwhat your body's trying to tell
you.
And so we did some blood work.
We did urine testing, somesaliva testing, did a whole
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variety of testing and found outa ton of things that were going
on.
Everything from little things oflike being low in magnesium and
low in Vitamin D and notmethylene B vitamins, not
absorbing B vitamins.
Well to other things of likefood intolerances, my cortisol
was off, my liver having someissues like the list just went
on and on.
(20:20):
And so she was like, no wonderwhy your body isn't performing
its best.
It's because it's not feelingits best.
Like it needs to be nourishedits best so it can do its best
for you.
And so she was like, we're goingto help you, you know, get all
these levels back up.
And your hormones back balancedand different things.
And it's going to take work andtime.
And I went on this journey withher.
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So after a year of working withher, then we started tapering
off my antidepressants and at 18months of working with her, I
was, able to be offantidepressants and ever since
that point, I've never gone backon them because I've just
learned how to fuel my bodyproperly and, keep it, you know,
Yeah, fuel my body properly sothat my body in return can do
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its best for me.
Phil (21:03):
And that's where this all came from.
Now I'm, I'm going to toot yourhorn for you because I've looked
it up.
You guys are like in the topfive, maybe the top three
fastest growing companies inUtah right now.
So you've gone from this momentwhen you had three little kids
that felt overwhelming and youfelt hopeless.
(21:23):
And you keep pushing and pushingbecause this is such an
important message to you.
But I want to give you yourkudos because that's not easy
either.
Like you get to a point, you'relike, I'm so tired.
I would love to have a few daysoff.
It's like now you ran fromwhatever you're at to come to do
my podcast.
And I'm sure that you've gotsomething behind it.
(21:44):
So I want to make sure everybodyunderstands that you're still
striving to make life better,not only for you, but for
everybody around you.
Karalynne (21:51):
Oh, you're nice.
Well, thank you.
There are days that I do want togive up.
There are days that I wonder, isanybody even listening to
anything I'm saying?
Is this a waste of my time?
But then honestly, I feel likeI'm still meant to do this, like
educate because every time I getdiscouraged like that, I will
get the most incredible DM ofsomeone saying like, I've been
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trying to get pregnant for eightyears, and we just found out
we're pregnant, but it's aftertwo years of changing my
lifestyle and following you anddoing the things that you've
said.
And they'll say like, you're thefirst person I've told, so don't
tell anyone yet, but we're justso excited.
We wanted to tell you, or, youknow, a cool story about someone
healing from depression orsomething.
So sometimes I always think it'swhen I get discouraged and
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overwhelmed and exhausted, Iwant to quit the business.
I think God sometimes just givesme a nice little like reminder
of...
Phil (22:40):
I call it a kick in the butt.
I had one on the plane the otherday because I was, I was on the
plane and I was headed off tosomeplace again.
And I thought, I just want to beat home with my kids.
I want to just go on a hike.
And then the stewardess, theflight attendant stopped and she
goes.
I know who you are and I want tojust say thank you and I said
all I did is tell you to take BVitamins.
She's telling me the wholething.
I'm like, I really don't needmuch credit.
(23:01):
All I said is that there's ahuge amount of people who can't
methylate B Vitamins and that'llgive you 10 percent better
energy.
And it's just kind of one ofthose things where it just gives
you that little kick in the buttsaying, just keep going, keep
going.
Yep.
The path is hard, but you're onthe right way.
And so I do want to ask you realquick, raising your kids through
this whole journey.
Cause you have three boys.
(23:22):
Is that right?
You have six kids total, right?
Karalynne (23:24):
Yeah, I have six kids now, so four boys and two girls.
Phil (23:27):
So we have four boys.
Raising your kids through all ofthis journey, all of it, right,
have you found that they look atyou as someone who can succeed?
Like, you find, because I'mfinding with my children that
they watch us so closely and itbecame so important to me to
show my kids that they can dothings every time I want to
(23:48):
quit.
I look at my kids and I said, Iwould never let them quit that.
I'm going to keep pushing onthis journey.
That's not easy eating the waythat we should eat, telling
people to do it.
You have a lot of pushback inlife.
And so for me, I find my kidsreally make me stay on task.
Karalynne (24:06):
Yeah.
They've learned that one it's,you've got to work hard in life,
but two, I think what they'velearned from me doing this is to
stand up for something theybelieve in, because that's
something we talk about a lotbecause I have a lot of, I get
those haters on Instagram, justlike anybody does.
You know, I get these haters, Iget pushed back, I get people
telling me you can eat justwhatever you want.
(24:26):
It's not that big of a deal.
I have food scientists andmanufacturers tell me no, no,
no, all the time.
No, you can't make that.
No, you can't produce that.
We can't manufacture that.
And I keep just, yes, we can.
And yes, this is what I believein.
And I'm going to stand my groundon this.
And my kids have seen that.
So I think what they've learnedis, yeah, you got to work hard
in life and to stand up for whatyou believe in and stick to
(24:50):
your, you know, guns about it.
Phil (24:54):
Jeff has had a journey along this way too, because it,
at the lowest point.
He was out of work or justrecently lost his job and you're
at that time your boys werefairly young I know that the
seven year old I heard laterthat like seven year old was a
little harder to make changeswith so I know they were really
young at the time.
Karalynne (25:12):
They were young and yeah so when people tell me they
can't live a healthy lifestyleon a budget or it's too hard
because it's too expensive.
I always want to just try toteach them what I was going
through.
Cause when I was trying to heal,we did have these little kids
and Jeff had quit his job to,well, his company had been
bought out.
And so not his company, thecompany he was working at.
(25:33):
So then he lost his job.
So then he tried to start hisown company, which took all of
our savings, all of ourretirement, the company did not
do well.
And then he was out of work.
And so we literally were livingoff of such a tiny amount of
money.
And, but yet that was during myhealing process as well.
And when I was working with mydoctor, she would say things
(25:54):
like, you need probiotics, yourgut needs probiotics.
And I'd say, well, I can'tafford probiotics.
So give me a cheaper option.
And she'd be like, well, go buysome kimchi at the store and
every morning eat a spoonful ofkimchi.
And that's going to be yourprobiotics, you know?
And so, yeah, it was a hard timefinancially.
But, we learned how to live ahealthy lifestyle on a really
(26:15):
tight budget.
And actually, if you do itright, living a healthy
lifestyle can be cheaper thanbuying all of those individual
pre-packaged, ultra processedsnacks.
And so the fruits and veggiesare actually way cheaper than
that other stuff.
Phil (26:30):
Because when you make real food at home, you have leftovers
and you have stuff for the restof the day.
When you open a Twinkie.
You open another Twinkie andthen you go through them really
quickly.
And so I 100% agree.
And I also think, and you canjump in here at any time, but I
think that when you have reallytight times with money and you
really are working together as ateam, that creates a bond
(26:51):
between you and your husband andyou and your kids.
That gets you through thehardest times.
And so a lot of times people whoare, if you can go into that
together, rather than just throwmoney at it, you're so more
dedicated to the person you'renext to.
Karalynne (27:09):
Yeah, we've gone through some hard times.
That's true.
And it does.
It makes you bonded together.
Phil (27:15):
And that bond, I think, is just so important on the journey
that people have with theirhealth care.
See, that's the one thing I dosee is every time somebody goes
into a medical type issue thatjust takes them to a low point,
they always have those people intheir life that they know they
can count on.
And how important is that,especially in depression?
Karalynne (27:33):
Yeah, you know what you need to find that one person
or a lot of people say like, oh,you need to find your circle of
people that are going to helpyou through cancer or depression
or, you know, infertility,whatever it may be.
And I tell people that I didn'thave that circle of friends and
circle of help.
And that's okay, but you do needto find that one person.
(27:53):
That one person, whether it's afriend, a family member, a
community member, a churchmember, somebody.
Because I feel like you do needthat one person to help you.
And Jeff was my one person thathelped me.
Phil (28:06):
It's, you have to have that person you can just be weak
with.
Yeah.
And, the best part is, is whenyou become that one person for
somebody else, like that's evenbetter.
Like you get, somebody is yours,but you're like, I need to be
that person that no matter whatthey say, no matter how angry,
when they, when they lash outeverything, I'm just going to be
there and they can be weak withme.
(28:26):
And I know that you've becomethat for a lot of people and
it's shown people a lot of waysto be like, okay, I can be weak
and then I can be strong forsomeone else.
And I love that about your wholebrand and the way you do things.
Karalynne (28:38):
Oh, thank you.
Yeah.
Being a caretaker or that onefriend, it's hard.
It's really hard because youhave to be a listening ear, but
sometimes help with the advice,sometimes make the choices, but
also be compassionate andpatient at the same time
forgiving, you know, it is ahard thing for sure.
But then I feel like life is acycle.
(29:00):
We're all going to have, youknow, our good times, our hard
times are, you know what I mean?
And so when.
I had my dark points, my lowpoints.
Jeff was a caretaker and I feellike now hopefully I've learned
from the darkness and learnedfrom those hard times and can
help others.
Phil (29:18):
Absolutely.
And I love this story because westart out in such a fun, happy
place.
We start out by the pool with amath book.
We go into having the house, thebirds are chirping, the blossoms
are on the tree.
You've got the little kidsrunning around and then life
happened.
And then a lot of people at thatpoint.
It's that's that point when theyneed to have hope and you're
(29:39):
bringing that hope because youwent from that point and then
you found your way out of it.
And now you're a tremendoussuccess You've got six kids who
by the way, every time I seethem on your Instagram that
they're all so shining andhappy.
And you've come full circle ifyou had to give advice to
someone the very first thingthat they would cut out of their
(30:00):
diet or just I want you to pickout the one so some people it's
red 40, some people it'swhatever I want to start with
one.
Because it's so important thatwe don't try to make huge
change.
We change 1% at a time until weget to where we go.
What is first thing you say?
Okay, look just cut this onething out.
What is your because right nowI'm worried about the
(30:20):
hydrogenated bromine inside myMountain Dew.
Like honestly, it's likefreaking me out.
Everybody has their little thingmy wife.
She's a she's a perfume girlyand now I brought up the musks
and so it's like freaking herout.
We all have one thing that westart looking at what is your
thing saying go look at this
Karalynne (30:38):
I'm laughing because I get asked this question like
every single day and everybodyhates my answer because my
answer, I'll tell you why you'regoing to hate my answer.
Cause I never say what not to, Imean like what thing to take out
immediately.
I always say if it's my veryfirst thing, then my very first
thing is let's add in fruits andveggies.
(30:59):
And so I'll say like, just lookat your breakfast.
Do you even eat a fruit or aveggie with your breakfast?
Or are you just eating scrambledeggs?
Okay.
Let's add an apple there or abanana there.
Okay.
At lunch.
Are you having any fruit orveggie?
Okay.
Same thing.
Do we need to add an apple or abanana there at dinner?
What does it look like?
So I'm starting with.
Let's first add in more fruitsand veggies because it's going
(31:22):
to give us the fiber that weneed that is so good for our gut
to feed the good microbiome.
It's got our antioxidants, ourvitamins, minerals, you know
what I mean.
And so, but then if we're addingthat and focusing on that, then
maybe it will eliminate or moveaside some of those ultra
processed foods.
Because instead of at lunch,grabbing for that ultra
(31:43):
processed package of cookies.
We're focusing on shoot, I needto add a fruit or veggie in to
my lunch.
So I'm guessing I'm going tohave an apple with some peanut
butter instead.
It's amazing what happens whenyou eat something else too
because your body is fine withit.
You're just, you have thispattern of going to those things
like your protein.
I know that I really love yourguys protein because it's
(32:04):
really, really protein.
It doesn't have anything else init.
So the Just Ingredients protein,my wife loves it.
It's got protein.
It really is a great protein andit tastes good.
Thank you.
And, and it's funny how you canjust do little things of rather
than getting that box of proteinshakes that's the cheapest and
say, okay, let me just trysomething different.
And you'll find not only youfeel better, but you're really
not spending that much morebecause you're feeling that much
(32:27):
better.
Yeah, that's true.
So I always end my podcast withtwo things.
First of all, tell everybody howto find you and everybody needs
to go find you.
So what's the best way to findyou and get your products?
It's been an amazing journey foryou and everything you have.
I can tell you right now, you'llnever feel bad about what you
put in your body.
If you buy Just Ingredients,you'll never look at it and
(32:48):
think, ah, I shouldn't have, buthonestly.
And so where can they find yourproducts?
Cause I would say if, if youwant to start someplace, one way
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It's just order one product.
You can trust and feel thedifference.
Thank you.
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(33:09):
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We actually flavor with realfood.
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It's real guava, real mango,things like that.
So that is how we're different.
And, like I said earlier, youcan find us at
JustIngredients.us or theInstagram is just.Ingredients or
I have a podcast as well calledJust Ingredients.
(33:32):
And so just type in JustIngredients and you'll find us.
Phil (33:37):
So you and Jeff have now been married how many years?
Karalynne (33:40):
Yes, 28 years, 28 years, we're getting old.
Phil (33:45):
I, what are we at now?
I know we're over 25.
I think we're at 26.
I have to go check and see, butmy wife forgets more than I do.
So I get away with it.
Cause she forgets more than Ido.
So you and I were, we're, we'rethe same.
We're like right there.
When I started all the socialmedia, when I did everything, my
goal.
When somebody said, what do youreally want out of this?
I want to make the world 1%kinder.
That's just what I want.
(34:05):
Oh, I love that.
Because we can't make majorchanges, but we can.
So I always send off by saying,go find somebody and give them a
hug that needs it.
Go text somebody that needs tobe told something.
If you could make just thesuggestion to people of how they
can make the world just 1%kinder.
So no huge things.
What is your 1% you would tellpeople to do?
Karalynne (34:25):
Oh, I love that.
Okay, before I tell you that,that reminds me of Mr.
Roger's quote.
Do you know his quote that goesalong the lines of, the first
way to be successful is to bekind.
The second way to be successfulin life is to be kind.
And the third way to besuccessful in life is to be
kind.
Phil (34:44):
Absolutely.
Then you flip your shoe becauseMr.
Rogers never did anythingunkind.
Like he lived his whole lifekind and I don't know how you do
that.
There's not one.
He's, he actually is one ofthose people that I wish I could
be like.
I love that quote.
Okay, so what is your 1%?
Just that little thing you cando to make The world a little
kinder for people out there.
(35:06):
Anybody.
Karalynne (35:07):
Do you know how there's so many different things
that I could answer with, butI'm going to tell you this.
So the last month has just beenreally hard at work and hard
with things.
And last night I was doing a lotof reflecting, like what is so
hard and why haven't I felt likeI, there's so much joy in the
work that I do and so muchhappiness, but lately it's just
(35:30):
been like stuck in the trenches.
You know what I mean?
And I've missed that joy andthat happiness.
And I was like, why is that?
And I was like, Oh my gosh, Iknow why.
Every morning I used to, but forthe past month, I just got busy
and didn't.
Every morning I used to startthe day with a prayer saying,
please bless me just to do onething nice today.
(35:51):
One thing kind, one thing thatwould help one person.
And I got away from doing thatfor a month and I felt the
difference because, If you sayit in the morning and help and
ask for that help in yourprayer, meditation, or you know
affirmations.
Whatever you're doing then yourmind just thinks about it
throughout the day and you'll belike, oh maybe I could speak to
(36:12):
that person a little bit kinderor maybe I could complement this
person on this thing or maybe Ineeded to go You know, serve or
do something, whatever it maybe, but it's constantly on your
mind without you really knowingit's on your mind.
And so I woke up this morningagain, thinking, okay, what is
one thing that I could do nicefor somebody else today?
And that can be really simple.
(36:33):
It can be a smile.
It can be a compliment.
Like I said, so if you juststart, it is just starting your
morning thinking, okay, what'sone thing.
I could do kind for someone ornice for someone today.
Bless me that I can find thatperson to affect.
Phil (36:50):
Where the head looks, the body follows.
Karalynne (36:52):
Oh, I love that.
Phil (36:53):
That's a surfer.
Surfer's always told me that'swhere I got it from.
My kids were learning how tosurf.
He's like, if you want, if youlook down, you fall down.
If you look up, you go where itgoes.
Look at the beach, you'll gowhere you need to go.
And I don't think he was beinglike a philosopher.
He was telling me how to notfall off a surfboard.
But immediately I realized justwhat you said.
Where the head looks, the bodygoes.
And you have done so many kindthings and you've helped a lot
(37:15):
of people.
So I'm telling everybody now, ifyou're not already, Just
Ingredients is something youneed to go look in, go peruse it
all.
She has put days, years of herlife in it, and you can see that
she surely cares about all ofit.
Karalynne, thank you so much foryour time.
And this has been so much fun.
Thank you so much.
Karalynne (37:36):
So fun.
And thank you for your kindwords because you're out there
trying to educate others and howto feel healthy, you know, more
healthy in life too.
So thank you for what you do aswell.
Phil (37:46):
No problem at all.
This has been Take Your Medicinepodcast.
I'm Phil Cowley, your host.
We have had Karalynne Call withus today from Just Ingredients,
and it has been a completepleasure.
If you have a chance, subscribeso you can get notified when the
podcast comes out.
Welcome to Take Your Medicine Podcast.
My name is Phil Cowley.
I'm a pharmacist of 25 years,and I have learned the best way
to learn anything in medicine isto listen to your patients.
After 25 years of hearingstories, I thought it's time to
start letting everybody elsehear these stories.
Today, we've got Karalynne Call.
She's brilliant.
She's an entrepreneur.
She's taken her health in herown hands.
(00:25):
And most importantly, she's afriend.
So today we're going to gothrough her story, how she got
here, and more importantly, whoshe took along the way.
Thank you so much, Karalynne,for being on our podcast.
Karalynne (00:37):
Thank you so much for having me.
The whole idea of you havingpeople on here to hear their
stories is fascinating.
I'm like, Ooh, I need to tune init is the stories that are so
just amazing to listen to.
Phil (00:50):
Well, the thing is, is in healthcare, we're really good at
telling people things that we'reso terrible about hearing what's
going on in a person's life.
And I found as soon as you takea second to listen to somebody.
The whole conversation changesbecause most of the time they
come in and they, you come inand say, I'm feeling depressed
and then we just orate to theperson.
Here's what you have to do.
And at some point, some point, Ithought maybe I should hear what
(01:13):
they want to have happen ratherthan tell them what they should
do.
And it was amazing the knowledgeand wisdom that the patients
had.
So I really love that listening.
And I'm like, you know,everybody needs to hear it, but
HIPAA makes that hard.
I thought, well, if they sayyes, then we can talk about
anything.
So, Oh, I love that.
So I do want to talk about yournew product.
(01:33):
That's out really quickly.
So Just Ingredients justreleased an NAD plus complex,
and I've been looking for an NADproduct for a long time because
NAD we know drops substantiallyas we age.
And as it drops, everything thatwe hate about aging gets worse.
But most of the NAD products,they just stop with the
nicotinamide riboside.
(01:54):
And instead, they did somethingreally cool in this one.
They took the copper part of thenicotinamide and they put them
together.
And this is a huge step forwardbecause with our nicotinic acid,
which is a vitamin B3 that'sactivated, we get all of our
energy.
But when you put it in a coppercomplex, it starts to stimulate
the dimutase that we need inorder to stop the anti oxidation
(02:17):
process.
So Karalynne, this product, yourNAD plus complex is fantastic.
Like it's really, really wellformulated.
Can you tell everybody wherethey can find it, how they can
get it?
Karalynne (02:28):
Yeah.
And you did a great jobexplaining that.
And I'll just tell people you'reright with the anti aging
effects.
Like if you are feeling thoseanti aging effects, especially
tiredness and your energyslowing down or even
inflammation, you know, jointpain, things like that.
This NAD is awesome for it.
Even anti aging with skin.
It can even help weight.
(02:49):
I mean, so many things, but I amloving it for my energy.
I swear by it just my energyfeels so good when i'm on it So
that's what i'm always tellingpeople like if you need more
energy You got to try this, butyou can find it at
JustIngredients.us that's ourwebsite
Phil (03:06):
And then we also can always find you on Instagram and
i'm sure there's a link on thereas well So it's
just.ingredients.
Is that correct?
Karalynne (03:14):
Yes on Instagram Yeah, just.Ingredients.
So just.Ingredients onInstagram, but on the website.
It's JustIngredients.us
Okay.
Karalynne has done her homework.
If you go to justingredients.usand put in the code,
PHILSMYPHARMACIST you get anadded discount, but the best
part about the Just Ingredientsproducts is that you can trust
(03:36):
them.
You can look on the back,pronounce them, you know, where
they came from.
That's the reason why I lovetheir protein and this new NAD
Plus Complex is going to be agame changer.
So go to justingredients.us,pick out a product, put in,
PHILSMYPHARMACIST, the code,save some money, but most
importantly, feel good aboutwhat you bought and good about
(03:57):
what's put in your body.
Phil (04:00):
Perfect.
All right.
So your story, I love yourstory.
I've heard your story so manytimes because I listen to it
every time it gets betterbecause you have new things you
bring in everything else.
But the part I really love iswhen you talk about your
husband.
So I wanted to start because,you know, I'm a husband, so I
like that part.
Well, I want to start, how didyou meet your husband?
(04:21):
I want to start, I love hearinghow people meet.
Like, it's always these, almostlike it's beyond fortuitous, so.
Karalynne (04:28):
Well, this is sort of funny.
We met at Brigham YoungUniversity at school, but I was,
um, in a math major.
That's what I majored in.
And I was studying math out atthe pool, and he, um, saw me
studying.
And so he came up to me, and hewas like,
Phil (04:45):
Was it the math book or that you were sitting by the
pool?
Do you think that had him comeover?
Karalynne (04:51):
Not the math, probably not the math book,
probably that it was by thepool.
But he saw that it was a mathbook and came up and his line
was, Oh, I'm studying or I'm ina statistics class and really
struggling in the statisticsclass.
Looks like you know math andthings.
Maybe you could help me.
And I guess I looked up at him.
I don't remember this.
(05:12):
This is terrible.
But I guess I looked up at himand said, yeah, whatever.
And went back to my studying ofmy math.
And so we lived at the sameapartment complex.
And every time he saw me, he waslike, oh, there's that girl that
wouldn't even give me the timeof day and wanted nothing to do
with me basically.
And so long story short,
Phil (05:31):
Well, to be fair, he could have done better on the line.
I gotta be honest.
You know what I mean?
You saw that one coming.
Karalynne (05:38):
Exactly.
So I guess I was this person formonths that he just stayed away
from.
And long story short, I thenbecame really good friends with
one of his roommates, who Iactually liked, and I would go
over to visit his roommate andgot to know Jeff better.
And as I started to get to knowJeff, then Jeff and I started
(06:00):
dating rather than his roommate.
And so, but it took months afterthat first pickup line for this
to all happen because he was nothappy with me.
So,
Phil (06:09):
But that's sometimes like to work for it a little bit more
is better.
Cause it's not that, you know,it takes, its while you, you,
you have to make like asourdough bread so much better
than a white bread, even thoughit takes so much longer to make.
Right.
True.
Great analogy, So I met my wifehere at USU and we got married
in four months.
How long, because, oh, becausewe have to ask, because you are
(06:29):
at BYU.
How long did you guys datebefore you got married?
Karalynne (06:33):
So we actually dated, um, we were dated a year before
we got engaged.
And then it was about 18 monthsbefore we got married, because I
was determined to graduatecollege first, before I got
married, I don't know why it wasjust one of these things.
I did not want to be married incollege.
And so I graduated the lastweekend in April and the first
(06:54):
weekend of May we got married.
So I did wait until after I hadgraduated.
Phil (06:59):
Oh, there you go.
Karalynne (07:01):
I didn't want to rush into it.
Phil (07:03):
In BYU terms, that's like 10 years, just so everybody out
there understands.
Like, that's a long time.
So you were married for a while.
First kid, how long did you waittill the first child?
Karalynne (07:12):
Well, this is what's crazy is, uh, my older two
sisters deal with infertility ordealt with infertility quite
badly.
And so it took them years andyears to get pregnant and, you
know, needed help to getpregnant.
And so after a year of beingmarried, I was like, we have to
start trying because it's goingto take years and I can't go to
the infertility doctor untilwe've tried for a while.
(07:35):
Well, first month trying, wewere pregnant.
So a year after being married, Igot pregnant.
Phil (07:40):
So I want to twist right now because you brought it up.
It's funny how many people haveinfertility issues and the first
move is let's do all theseprocedures.
After all of your 18 years plusof everything that you've got
going on, is your take oninfertility a little bit
different now than it used tobe?
Karalynne (07:56):
So different, so different.
But back then when I was firstmarried, I had no idea about
health and nutrition.
I just was, you know, regulareating American standard diet,
thought whatever was sold on thestore shelves was great to eat,
didn't understand how to nourishmy body, things like that.
I thought if you hadinfertility, then you just tried
(08:17):
for a year and then went and sawa infertility specialist and did
IVF or something else, you know,and now it's completely changed.
Phil (08:26):
Right.
And so what, because we dealtwith a lot of infertility
ourselves.
And, you know, initially Ijumped into the system and when
you can't been told you can'thave a baby, it kind of crushes
your soul.
Even if you didn't really knowyou wanted one, that's the thing
that's always strange.
It's like, you didn't know you,you didn't want when you tried,
you couldn't have it.
Now it becomes the mostimportant thing in the world.
(08:46):
And considering some of the newdocumentation that's out there
with all the hormone disruption,and I'm going off a tangent here
because I'm going back to yourstory, but I, one of the big
pushes that Just Ingredients hashad is we've got to stop
disrupting all these hormones.
Karalynne (09:00):
Yep.
Yeah.
So one thing is the endocrinedisruptors and all of our beauty
products, um, like you said, istruly messing with our hormones.
And then the other thing isinflammation causes such a
problem with infertility andinflammation has a lot to do
with our lifestyle factors, butalso our diet.
And then we know of course, likeblood glucose levels play a huge
(09:23):
role in PCOS.
And PCOS is you know, on therise has skyrocketed and that's
due to different factors, but amain factor is the blood glucose
levels and these inflammationlevels.
And so, yeah, if I were dealingwith infertility now as
somebody, I would first look atmy diet, my glucose levels, my
lifestyle factors, my beautyproducts.
(09:44):
I would first do that.
Then See a specialist.
Phil (09:48):
It's funny because I always look at it if people were
a herd of cattle.
You wouldn't treat each cowdifferent you start looking at
the whole herd and say what'sgoing on to the herd and you'd
start looking at key thingswithin the herd.
And what you're talking about isyes there always are people that
have problems and we wentthrough the whole thing.
And anybody that's going throughinfertility stuff, I, there's
(10:10):
part of you just wants to go upand give them a hug and tell
them it's going to be okay,because like it is the hardest
thing in the world, but we startlooking at this hormone
disruption and the fact thatPCOS is almost doubled in 10
years, like it's insane, andlater onset PCOS is really
starting to confuse peoplebecause insulin resistance,
changes inside the uterine wall,the uterine wall starts changing
(10:30):
the way our endocrine systemworks.
All of it's tied so muchtogether.
So it, if we start looking atthe commonality, it's food
sources has to be playing in itas well as all of the musks and
everything else and that we haveinside of our products.
Karalynne (10:45):
Yeah, it's true.
And infertility is, I use thesame analogy with infertility as
I do like depression or canceror really any chronic health
issue.
And the thing is, it's like if ahouse were on fire, you wouldn't
put just one tiny little hose onthe house and hope that that
would take care of it.
You would bring on multiplehoses coming at the fire at all
(11:08):
different angles to, you know,try to get that fire out.
And I feel it's the same waywith infertility, depression,
cancer, they all have differentroot causes.
They all have different reasonswhy this has happened, but let's
not just put one little hose onit.
Maybe let's call that thespecialist.
Let's put lots of differenthoses on it coming at different
(11:28):
angles, such as the food, thenutrition, the endocrine
disruptors, the lifestylefactors, the alternative
medicine, but then also westernmedicine or this doctors, the
specialists, you know what Imean?
It's just, we've got to bringall those factors when we're
trying to heal.
Phil (11:43):
Yeah, it's like you're trying to run your car and
you're like, okay, I'm willingto use two cylinders, even
though I have four.
It's kind of a weird mindsetthat we have.
I 100% agree with that.
And we have brought updepression.
So we, I want to kind of gothrough the first baby.
Everything went good.
You guys are blissfully happyand you're in California at this
time.
Is that right?
Karalynne (12:00):
We were, yeah, no, actually we were in Utah.
Sorry.
We've moved, we moved like ninetimes in 11 years.
So it's hard to keep it allstraight, but we were in Utah at
that time.
Phil (12:10):
Aren't those fun years?
Like I always look back at thoseyears when we were four and we
were starting out, but we didn'tknow.
And like, you just come home andjust, it was just those times
where you look back and they'relike, they set these core
memories of just, you know, itmakes everybody smile when they
think of that time when they'rejust so young and everything's
fine, you have no idea.
That right around the corner thedarkness is waiting for you that
(12:33):
you have to right like fightyour way through and learn and
grow.
Karalynne (12:37):
Right exactly
Phil (12:39):
So you have the one child everything seems to be fine
you're you're feeling likeyourself is that
Karalynne (12:44):
Yep and then had a second one and same.
Phil (12:46):
Everything's still good you're like okay this is me
everything's happy yep and thenwe go to number three.
What happens after number three?
Karalynne (12:53):
So I actually felt fine afterwards.
Like, you know, your typical,you might have some baby blues
or whatever, but nothing like, Imean, I felt pretty good.
But, when he was over a year,That is when my depression
actually really kicked in.
And what was hard is back thenthey would say when I went to
the doctor, they'd say, oh, yourbaby's over a year.
(13:15):
So it's not postpartum.
Phil (13:16):
Don't you love how they had like these things, like they
want to categorize you, throwyou in the box and be done.
So, right.
Karalynne (13:22):
And looking back, I don't know if it was necessarily
postpartum there.
Um, once I, well, I should justtell the story.
I dealt with this depression,for a good year plus.
And I don't know how many knowthe story, but I just was tired
of, I was going to these doctorsasking for help saying, I
(13:42):
haven't always felt like this.
Something happened.
I want to know how to heal fromthis.
And they would all say, well, wedon't know how to help you heal,
but we can give you anantidepressant.
And I'd say, well, will thatantidepressant heal me?
And they would say, no, it willjust help your symptoms, but it
won't heal you.
And I'd say, well, what can healme?
And they would say, we don'tknow.
Granted, this was 18, 19 yearsago.
(14:03):
If some, if you have a doctortoday who says that, I say like.
Say thank you very much for yourtime and leave and go find a new
doctor.
Because we know so many thingsthat contribute to depression
these days.
Phil (14:14):
You see that's really important like that is the key
to this podcast I'm gonna comeback and make sure you finish
your story.
But the key is is empoweringpeople because they feel so weak
in a doctor's office they saidwell, that's what he said.
We have to go.
So listening to you to say Ilove everything you do.
You're a fantastic doctor forwhat you do shake their hand and
say, okay I'm gonna go findsomebody else.
(14:34):
People don't understand howempowering that is to have that
advice from you.
So I appreciate that so much.
Like it's something people needto hear.
Karalynne (14:41):
Well, because those doctors I was going to, maybe
they were awesome at deliveringbabies.
Maybe they were awesome at Csections.
Maybe they were awesome.
I went to all different types.
Maybe some were great with, youknow, some other condition.
Maybe depression just wasn'ttheir thing.
So you've got to find a doctorthat has done the research, know
and fits with what your need is.
So anyways, that was myfrustration is I was going for
(15:04):
over a year to these doctors.
No one had any advice on how toheal.
And I kept dealing with thisdepression.
The depression was gettingworse.
People would say like, hold on,look for the light at the end of
the tunnel.
And I would literally be like,there is no light at the end of
the tunnel.
Like this is pure misery.
I'm not myself anymore.
I'm angry.
I'm frustrated.
(15:24):
I there's days I couldn't evendo my normal tasks of like
wanting to get dressed or feedthe kids.
There were days I couldn't feedthe kids.
There was I just wanted to be inbed.
I mean, I've experienced all thedifferent emotions of depression
because depression, goes throughall of those different symptoms.
And so I was dealing with all ofthem.
And one day I just had had it.
(15:45):
I through this 18 months ofhaving this.
I had multiple times of justthinking I'm not worth anything
on this earth.
Like I need to just end my lifebecause these kids don't deserve
a mom like this.
They deserve someone better.
Oh, I'm going to cry talkingabout it.
Phil (16:02):
I want you to, cause I, there was a point in 2020 where
I slumped.
I was in the pharmacy, it wasgoing under, and I thought my
value was nothing more than Icould produce.
And I literally slumped down onthe ground.
Yeah.
Like I, I was sitting on thefloor and it's, uh, pharmacy
floors get dirty fast.
And so, and my wife came andpicked me up, like she just
(16:25):
knew, and she came.
So your story resonates with allof us, the feeling of
worthlessness.
We have to normalize the ideathat that, that, that happens to
everybody and you have to reachout.
So I love your story because ofthat part alone.
Karalynne (16:42):
Yeah, it was hopeless and I felt like I was a terrible
wife.
My husband was stuck dealingwith this.
You know, person that he didn'tchoose to be with at first, you
know, I'm completely differentof not being able to even take
care of myself or the kids ordeal with life.
And so I just one day, felttotally hopeless.
Like you said, cause the doctorsweren't giving me any hope that
(17:03):
there was anything to heal fromthis.
So I thought I was doomed withthis for the rest of my life.
And so I actually attemptedsuicide and thankfully by the
grace of God and by miracles,the attempt failed.
But that was my wake up call ofI have hit complete rock bottom.
There is no further bottom thantrying to take your life.
(17:23):
And so at that point, that'swhen, Jeff really got on board
to help me.
Cause I don't think he realizedthe severity of it until then.
And we were dedicated to findinga doctor that would help me.
And I wasn't going to give upuntil I found a doctor.
And it did take two more yearsof looking for a doctor.
That could help me.
And finally, I found a doctortwo years later who said, and I
(17:47):
should say at this point, I didgo on antidepressants.
And so I don't have anythingagainst antidepressants, but for
me, I wanted to heal and I knewantidepressants were life saving
at the moment, but not somethingI wanted to be on my whole life.
Phil (18:02):
They are a useful tool.
I actually believe everything isa tool in the toolbox.
Right.
And tools should be used for theright time and the right amount.
But if you're using your vicegrips as a hammer, you're never
going to fix anything.
And so I love how people whenthey talk about combining it the
way that I that you talk aboutcombining it and saying, okay I
(18:23):
was I was dedicated.
We talk a lot about doing hardthings and we preach about
telling everybody you can dohard things.
But when you've done hardthings, you kind of wish I
didn't have to do those.
I'm glad I'm where I'm at, butboy, I wish I could have learned
that another way.
And so I love the way you talkabout it because you're like,
you were dedicated at thatpoint.
You're gonna do this.
And I know you're a runner andI'm a runner.
(18:45):
We both know you have to powerthrough mile three.
So you can get the bliss at milesix.
And so I love your story.
Cause I can just hear a runnerand every time I do it, I'm
like, okay, that second mile sohard, but so you're, you go to
this doctor.
She says, hey, this isn't goingto be easy.
You gotta be dedicated to it.
Yeah.
I love it.
Took a while, right?
Karalynne (19:05):
It did.
I love that.
She said, okay, are you willingto work?
Because there's no magic pillfor this.
This isn't going to happenovernight.
It's going to take a lot of workon your part.
And I was like, yes, I am sodesperate.
I will do anything just becauseI wanted the help so badly.
And back then.
We didn't have the internet tojust Google like, what can you
do naturally for depression orwhat can help?
(19:26):
There wasn't that you had to goto a doctor or read it from a
book or find some course aboutit, you know.
Phil (19:31):
And this information was tough because you would get in
there you talk to somebody beall in but you couldn't fact
check anything So I love howdedicated you were.
Karalynne (19:39):
Right.
And so she taught me thatdepression was just your body
screaming for help.
Your body can't verbally speakto you.
So it's going to speak to youthrough symptoms.
And so she was like, we justneed to figure out what your
root causes, what they are andwhat your body's trying to tell
you.
And so we did some blood work.
We did urine testing, somesaliva testing, did a whole
(20:00):
variety of testing and found outa ton of things that were going
on.
Everything from little things oflike being low in magnesium and
low in Vitamin D and notmethylene B vitamins, not
absorbing B vitamins.
Well to other things of likefood intolerances, my cortisol
was off, my liver having someissues like the list just went
on and on.
(20:20):
And so she was like, no wonderwhy your body isn't performing
its best.
It's because it's not feelingits best.
Like it needs to be nourishedits best so it can do its best
for you.
And so she was like, we're goingto help you, you know, get all
these levels back up.
And your hormones back balancedand different things.
And it's going to take work andtime.
And I went on this journey withher.
(20:41):
So after a year of working withher, then we started tapering
off my antidepressants and at 18months of working with her, I
was, able to be offantidepressants and ever since
that point, I've never gone backon them because I've just
learned how to fuel my bodyproperly and, keep it, you know,
Yeah, fuel my body properly sothat my body in return can do
(21:01):
its best for me.
Phil (21:03):
And that's where this all came from.
Now I'm, I'm going to toot yourhorn for you because I've looked
it up.
You guys are like in the topfive, maybe the top three
fastest growing companies inUtah right now.
So you've gone from this momentwhen you had three little kids
that felt overwhelming and youfelt hopeless.
(21:23):
And you keep pushing and pushingbecause this is such an
important message to you.
But I want to give you yourkudos because that's not easy
either.
Like you get to a point, you'relike, I'm so tired.
I would love to have a few daysoff.
It's like now you ran fromwhatever you're at to come to do
my podcast.
And I'm sure that you've gotsomething behind it.
(21:44):
So I want to make sure everybodyunderstands that you're still
striving to make life better,not only for you, but for
everybody around you.
Karalynne (21:51):
Oh, you're nice.
Well, thank you.
There are days that I do want togive up.
There are days that I wonder, isanybody even listening to
anything I'm saying?
Is this a waste of my time?
But then honestly, I feel likeI'm still meant to do this, like
educate because every time I getdiscouraged like that, I will
get the most incredible DM ofsomeone saying like, I've been
(22:12):
trying to get pregnant for eightyears, and we just found out
we're pregnant, but it's aftertwo years of changing my
lifestyle and following you anddoing the things that you've
said.
And they'll say like, you're thefirst person I've told, so don't
tell anyone yet, but we're justso excited.
We wanted to tell you, or, youknow, a cool story about someone
healing from depression orsomething.
So sometimes I always think it'swhen I get discouraged and
(22:33):
overwhelmed and exhausted, Iwant to quit the business.
I think God sometimes just givesme a nice little like reminder
of...
Phil (22:40):
I call it a kick in the butt.
I had one on the plane the otherday because I was, I was on the
plane and I was headed off tosomeplace again.
And I thought, I just want to beat home with my kids.
I want to just go on a hike.
And then the stewardess, theflight attendant stopped and she
goes.
I know who you are and I want tojust say thank you and I said
all I did is tell you to take BVitamins.
She's telling me the wholething.
I'm like, I really don't needmuch credit.
(23:01):
All I said is that there's ahuge amount of people who can't
methylate B Vitamins and that'llgive you 10 percent better
energy.
And it's just kind of one ofthose things where it just gives
you that little kick in the buttsaying, just keep going, keep
going.
Yep.
The path is hard, but you're onthe right way.
And so I do want to ask you realquick, raising your kids through
this whole journey.
Cause you have three boys.
(23:22):
Is that right?
You have six kids total, right?
Karalynne (23:24):
Yeah, I have six kids now, so four boys and two girls.
Phil (23:27):
So we have four boys.
Raising your kids through all ofthis journey, all of it, right,
have you found that they look atyou as someone who can succeed?
Like, you find, because I'mfinding with my children that
they watch us so closely and itbecame so important to me to
show my kids that they can dothings every time I want to
(23:48):
quit.
I look at my kids and I said, Iwould never let them quit that.
I'm going to keep pushing onthis journey.
That's not easy eating the waythat we should eat, telling
people to do it.
You have a lot of pushback inlife.
And so for me, I find my kidsreally make me stay on task.
Karalynne (24:06):
Yeah.
They've learned that one it's,you've got to work hard in life,
but two, I think what they'velearned from me doing this is to
stand up for something theybelieve in, because that's
something we talk about a lotbecause I have a lot of, I get
those haters on Instagram, justlike anybody does.
You know, I get these haters, Iget pushed back, I get people
telling me you can eat justwhatever you want.
(24:26):
It's not that big of a deal.
I have food scientists andmanufacturers tell me no, no,
no, all the time.
No, you can't make that.
No, you can't produce that.
We can't manufacture that.
And I keep just, yes, we can.
And yes, this is what I believein.
And I'm going to stand my groundon this.
And my kids have seen that.
So I think what they've learnedis, yeah, you got to work hard
in life and to stand up for whatyou believe in and stick to
(24:50):
your, you know, guns about it.
Phil (24:54):
Jeff has had a journey along this way too, because it,
at the lowest point.
He was out of work or justrecently lost his job and you're
at that time your boys werefairly young I know that the
seven year old I heard laterthat like seven year old was a
little harder to make changeswith so I know they were really
young at the time.
Karalynne (25:12):
They were young and yeah so when people tell me they
can't live a healthy lifestyleon a budget or it's too hard
because it's too expensive.
I always want to just try toteach them what I was going
through.
Cause when I was trying to heal,we did have these little kids
and Jeff had quit his job to,well, his company had been
bought out.
And so not his company, thecompany he was working at.
(25:33):
So then he lost his job.
So then he tried to start hisown company, which took all of
our savings, all of ourretirement, the company did not
do well.
And then he was out of work.
And so we literally were livingoff of such a tiny amount of
money.
And, but yet that was during myhealing process as well.
And when I was working with mydoctor, she would say things
(25:54):
like, you need probiotics, yourgut needs probiotics.
And I'd say, well, I can'tafford probiotics.
So give me a cheaper option.
And she'd be like, well, go buysome kimchi at the store and
every morning eat a spoonful ofkimchi.
And that's going to be yourprobiotics, you know?
And so, yeah, it was a hard timefinancially.
But, we learned how to live ahealthy lifestyle on a really
(26:15):
tight budget.
And actually, if you do itright, living a healthy
lifestyle can be cheaper thanbuying all of those individual
pre-packaged, ultra processedsnacks.
And so the fruits and veggiesare actually way cheaper than
that other stuff.
Phil (26:30):
Because when you make real food at home, you have leftovers
and you have stuff for the restof the day.
When you open a Twinkie.
You open another Twinkie andthen you go through them really
quickly.
And so I 100% agree.
And I also think, and you canjump in here at any time, but I
think that when you have reallytight times with money and you
really are working together as ateam, that creates a bond
(26:51):
between you and your husband andyou and your kids.
That gets you through thehardest times.
And so a lot of times people whoare, if you can go into that
together, rather than just throwmoney at it, you're so more
dedicated to the person you'renext to.
Karalynne (27:09):
Yeah, we've gone through some hard times.
That's true.
And it does.
It makes you bonded together.
Phil (27:15):
And that bond, I think, is just so important on the journey
that people have with theirhealth care.
See, that's the one thing I dosee is every time somebody goes
into a medical type issue thatjust takes them to a low point,
they always have those people intheir life that they know they
can count on.
And how important is that,especially in depression?
Karalynne (27:33):
Yeah, you know what you need to find that one person
or a lot of people say like, oh,you need to find your circle of
people that are going to helpyou through cancer or depression
or, you know, infertility,whatever it may be.
And I tell people that I didn'thave that circle of friends and
circle of help.
And that's okay, but you do needto find that one person.
(27:53):
That one person, whether it's afriend, a family member, a
community member, a churchmember, somebody.
Because I feel like you do needthat one person to help you.
And Jeff was my one person thathelped me.
Phil (28:06):
It's, you have to have that person you can just be weak
with.
Yeah.
And, the best part is, is whenyou become that one person for
somebody else, like that's evenbetter.
Like you get, somebody is yours,but you're like, I need to be
that person that no matter whatthey say, no matter how angry,
when they, when they lash outeverything, I'm just going to be
there and they can be weak withme.
(28:26):
And I know that you've becomethat for a lot of people and
it's shown people a lot of waysto be like, okay, I can be weak
and then I can be strong forsomeone else.
And I love that about your wholebrand and the way you do things.
Karalynne (28:38):
Oh, thank you.
Yeah.
Being a caretaker or that onefriend, it's hard.
It's really hard because youhave to be a listening ear, but
sometimes help with the advice,sometimes make the choices, but
also be compassionate andpatient at the same time
forgiving, you know, it is ahard thing for sure.
But then I feel like life is acycle.
(29:00):
We're all going to have, youknow, our good times, our hard
times are, you know what I mean?
And so when.
I had my dark points, my lowpoints.
Jeff was a caretaker and I feellike now hopefully I've learned
from the darkness and learnedfrom those hard times and can
help others.
Phil (29:18):
Absolutely.
And I love this story because westart out in such a fun, happy
place.
We start out by the pool with amath book.
We go into having the house, thebirds are chirping, the blossoms
are on the tree.
You've got the little kidsrunning around and then life
happened.
And then a lot of people at thatpoint.
It's that's that point when theyneed to have hope and you're
(29:39):
bringing that hope because youwent from that point and then
you found your way out of it.
And now you're a tremendoussuccess You've got six kids who
by the way, every time I seethem on your Instagram that
they're all so shining andhappy.
And you've come full circle ifyou had to give advice to
someone the very first thingthat they would cut out of their
(30:00):
diet or just I want you to pickout the one so some people it's
red 40, some people it'swhatever I want to start with
one.
Because it's so important thatwe don't try to make huge
change.
We change 1% at a time until weget to where we go.
What is first thing you say?
Okay, look just cut this onething out.
What is your because right nowI'm worried about the
(30:20):
hydrogenated bromine inside myMountain Dew.
Like honestly, it's likefreaking me out.
Everybody has their little thingmy wife.
She's a she's a perfume girlyand now I brought up the musks
and so it's like freaking herout.
We all have one thing that westart looking at what is your
thing saying go look at this
Karalynne (30:38):
I'm laughing because I get asked this question like
every single day and everybodyhates my answer because my
answer, I'll tell you why you'regoing to hate my answer.
Cause I never say what not to, Imean like what thing to take out
immediately.
I always say if it's my veryfirst thing, then my very first
thing is let's add in fruits andveggies.
(30:59):
And so I'll say like, just lookat your breakfast.
Do you even eat a fruit or aveggie with your breakfast?
Or are you just eating scrambledeggs?
Okay.
Let's add an apple there or abanana there.
Okay.
At lunch.
Are you having any fruit orveggie?
Okay.
Same thing.
Do we need to add an apple or abanana there at dinner?
What does it look like?
So I'm starting with.
Let's first add in more fruitsand veggies because it's going
(31:22):
to give us the fiber that weneed that is so good for our gut
to feed the good microbiome.
It's got our antioxidants, ourvitamins, minerals, you know
what I mean.
And so, but then if we're addingthat and focusing on that, then
maybe it will eliminate or moveaside some of those ultra
processed foods.
Because instead of at lunch,grabbing for that ultra
(31:43):
processed package of cookies.
We're focusing on shoot, I needto add a fruit or veggie in to
my lunch.
So I'm guessing I'm going tohave an apple with some peanut
butter instead.
It's amazing what happens whenyou eat something else too
because your body is fine withit.
You're just, you have thispattern of going to those things
like your protein.
I know that I really love yourguys protein because it's
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So the Just Ingredients protein,my wife loves it.
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Thank you.
And, and it's funny how you canjust do little things of rather
than getting that box of proteinshakes that's the cheapest and
say, okay, let me just trysomething different.
And you'll find not only youfeel better, but you're really
not spending that much morebecause you're feeling that much
(32:27):
better.
Yeah, that's true.
So I always end my podcast withtwo things.
First of all, tell everybody howto find you and everybody needs
to go find you.
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Thank you.
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Phil (33:37):
So you and Jeff have now been married how many years?
Karalynne (33:40):
Yes, 28 years, 28 years, we're getting old.
Phil (33:45):
I, what are we at now?
I know we're over 25.
I think we're at 26.
I have to go check and see, butmy wife forgets more than I do.
So I get away with it.
Cause she forgets more than Ido.
So you and I were, we're, we'rethe same.
We're like right there.
When I started all the socialmedia, when I did everything, my
goal.
When somebody said, what do youreally want out of this?
I want to make the world 1%kinder.
That's just what I want.
(34:05):
Oh, I love that.
Because we can't make majorchanges, but we can.
So I always send off by saying,go find somebody and give them a
hug that needs it.
Go text somebody that needs tobe told something.
If you could make just thesuggestion to people of how they
can make the world just 1%kinder.
So no huge things.
What is your 1% you would tellpeople to do?
Karalynne (34:25):
Oh, I love that.
Okay, before I tell you that,that reminds me of Mr.
Roger's quote.
Do you know his quote that goesalong the lines of, the first
way to be successful is to bekind.
The second way to be successfulin life is to be kind.
And the third way to besuccessful in life is to be
kind.
Phil (34:44):
Absolutely.
Then you flip your shoe becauseMr.
Rogers never did anythingunkind.
Like he lived his whole lifekind and I don't know how you do
that.
There's not one.
He's, he actually is one ofthose people that I wish I could
be like.
I love that quote.
Okay, so what is your 1%?
Just that little thing you cando to make The world a little
kinder for people out there.
(35:06):
Anybody.
Karalynne (35:07):
Do you know how there's so many different things
that I could answer with, butI'm going to tell you this.
So the last month has just beenreally hard at work and hard
with things.
And last night I was doing a lotof reflecting, like what is so
hard and why haven't I felt likeI, there's so much joy in the
work that I do and so muchhappiness, but lately it's just
(35:30):
been like stuck in the trenches.
You know what I mean?
And I've missed that joy andthat happiness.
And I was like, why is that?
And I was like, Oh my gosh, Iknow why.
Every morning I used to, but forthe past month, I just got busy
and didn't.
Every morning I used to startthe day with a prayer saying,
please bless me just to do onething nice today.
(35:51):
One thing kind, one thing thatwould help one person.
And I got away from doing thatfor a month and I felt the
difference because, If you sayit in the morning and help and
ask for that help in yourprayer, meditation, or you know
affirmations.
Whatever you're doing then yourmind just thinks about it
throughout the day and you'll belike, oh maybe I could speak to
(36:12):
that person a little bit kinderor maybe I could complement this
person on this thing or maybe Ineeded to go You know, serve or
do something, whatever it maybe, but it's constantly on your
mind without you really knowingit's on your mind.
And so I woke up this morningagain, thinking, okay, what is
one thing that I could do nicefor somebody else today?
And that can be really simple.
(36:33):
It can be a smile.
It can be a compliment.
Like I said, so if you juststart, it is just starting your
morning thinking, okay, what'sone thing.
I could do kind for someone ornice for someone today.
Bless me that I can find thatperson to affect.
Phil (36:50):
Where the head looks, the body follows.
Karalynne (36:52):
Oh, I love that.
Phil (36:53):
That's a surfer.
Surfer's always told me that'swhere I got it from.
My kids were learning how tosurf.
He's like, if you want, if youlook down, you fall down.
If you look up, you go where itgoes.
Look at the beach, you'll gowhere you need to go.
And I don't think he was beinglike a philosopher.
He was telling me how to notfall off a surfboard.
But immediately I realized justwhat you said.
Where the head looks, the bodygoes.
And you have done so many kindthings and you've helped a lot
(37:15):
of people.
So I'm telling everybody now, ifyou're not already, Just
Ingredients is something youneed to go look in, go peruse it
all.
She has put days, years of herlife in it, and you can see that
she surely cares about all ofit.
Karalynne, thank you so much foryour time.
And this has been so much fun.
Thank you so much.
Karalynne (37:36):
So fun.
And thank you for your kindwords because you're out there
trying to educate others and howto feel healthy, you know, more
healthy in life too.
So thank you for what you do aswell.
Phil (37:46):
No problem at all.
This has been Take Your Medicinepodcast.
I'm Phil Cowley, your host.
We have had Karalynne Call withus today from Just Ingredients,
and it has been a completepleasure.
If you have a chance, subscribeso you can get notified when the
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