Talentless

Talentless

Welcome to Talentless 👋, the podcast that’s all HR, all talent, and zero fluff—the official show for recruiters, by recruiters! If you’re in the people business, this is your one-stop shop for everything that matters. Hosted Industry Leaders Ashley King and Desiree Goldey, we’re here to dig into the heart of what makes workplaces tick (and sometimes, blow up). From talent acquisition tips that actually work to the real talk on DEI and workforce trauma reshaping our industry, we’re not afraid to get into the messy, the meaningful, and the downright motivating. Buckle up—this is where you become the best in the business.

Episodes

Why Has Recruiting Not Changed Since 1996?" with Matt Schalsey, CEO, PerfectHire

August 5, 2026 • 41 mins
Matt Schalsey, CEO of PerfectHire, joins Desiree and Ashley to argue that recruiters are basically salespeople and the hosts don't fully let him off the hook. Matt built PerfectHire after getting laid off one too many times as a sales enablement leader and deciding the real problem wasn't him, or the hiring managers, or even most recruiters, it was the systems everyone was forced to work inside of. His answer: an ATS/CRM built arou...
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LinkedIn User #204,097: 39 Years of TA, Told Straight (with Steve Levy)

July 22, 2026 • 54 mins
Steve Levy is LinkedIn user #204,097. He co-founded ATAP. He was doing AI in hiring at Pitney Bowes before AI had a Wikipedia page. And unlike a lot of "thought leaders" in this space, he never stopped practicing, he's currently at R1 RCM building production AI/ML sourcing prompt stacks while simultaneously training the next generation of ocean lifeguards at Jones Beach (34 years and counting). If you don't know Steve, Desiree sai...
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Off Script: One Year of Talentless (with Desiree Goldey & Ashley King)

July 15, 2026 • 50 mins
One year of Talentless. Thirty-seven episodes. Two hosts who somehow still like each other. And a whole lot of people who tuned in along the way, thank you. For our post-anniversary episode, Des and Ashley did the thing they've been avoiding for a year: they turned the mic on themselves. No guest. No script. No agenda beyond "let's actually let people meet us." If you've been listening for the strategy, the receipts, the guest in...
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Your Origin Story Is the Job Skill Nobody's Hiring For (with T. Tara Turk-Haynes)

July 1, 2026 • 51 mins
This one's special, it's Talentless's 1-Year Anniversary Episode. Thank you for listening, sharing, and showing up for us this year. For our anniversary episode, Des and Ashley sit down with T. Tara Turk-Haynes, founder of Equity Activations, creator of The Origin Arc framework, first-generation college grad and first-generation corporate worker, and 15+ years deep in talent acquisition and people operations. She's been feature...
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The Talent You Were Trained to Throw Away (with Chason Forehand)

June 24, 2026 • 49 mins
"People-first" is the most overused, underutilized phrase on LinkedIn. Everyone says it. Almost nobody does it. This week, Des and Ashley sit down with Chason Forehand — chef with 45+ years in the culinary world, founder of HR-4U Inc. (a four-time Platinum Seal of Transparency nonprofit), creator of Transformation Kitchen™ (now operating in Nicaragua with locations coming to New York, Beacon, and Australia), and co-host of t...
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Empathy Is Not Soft. It's a Damn Strategy. (with Dr. Melissa Robinson-Winemiller)

June 17, 2026 • 49 mins
Empathy is the most overused word in leadership right now. Everyone says it. Almost nobody does it. This week, Des and Ashley sit down with Dr. Melissa Robinson-Winemiller , TEDx speaker, international bestselling author of The Empathic Leader, host of The Empathic Leader podcast, and the founder of EQ via Empathy. Two doctorates, an MBA, a master's in data analytics, and a personal story that turned losing a career into a mission...
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Compensation isn't a math problem. It's a truth-telling problem.

June 3, 2026 • 47 mins
This week, Des and Ashley sit down with David Turetsky with 35+ years in compensation, U.S. patent holder on performance-driven pay tech, former VP at ADP, and the brain behind HR Data Labs. He's seen every comp shortcut, every salary band shortcut, and every excuse HR has ever used to underpay someone. And he's not interested in being polite about any of it. If you're a recruiter who freezes up when comp comes into the conversati...
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Lori Golden : Early Career Hiring: What is different?

May 22, 2026 • 48 mins
Early career hiring didn’t suddenly “break.” Companies changed the rules. In this episode of Talentless, Desiree Goldey, Ashley King, and Lori Golden unpack why the hiring market feels so disconnected for Gen Z candidates, recruiters, and employers alike, and why companies quietly pulled back from investing in early career talent. Lori brings over 27 years of recruiting experience across agency, startup, and cor...
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AI Isn’t Replacing Recruiters. Bad Leadership Is.

May 13, 2026 • 50 mins
Recruiting isn’t broken because of AI. It’s broken because too many companies reduced recruiting to speed, admin work, and “paper pushing” long before AI entered the conversation. In this episode of Talentless, Desiree Goldey, Ashley King, and Oscar Chavez unpack the real issue behind modern hiring dysfunction: leadership decisions that stripped recruiting of strategy, empathy, and human judgment. Oscar sh...
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Ghosted by the Machine: What Hiring Lost (and How We Get It Back) with Mark Lane

April 8, 2026 • 48 mins
What happens when hiring becomes automated, impersonal, and frankly broken? This week on Talentless, Desiree and Ashley sit down with communications strategist and Ghosted by the Machine host, Mark Lane, to unpack what job seekers are really experiencing right now and what recruiters need to hear. From being ghosted for months (or a year ) to competing against AI-generated resumes, this conversation dives into the emotional, syst...
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Is Interviewing Broken… or Just Exposed?

April 1, 2026 • 49 mins
In this episode of Talentless, we’re joined by Victoria Gates and Lorna Erickson; co-founders of Expert Interviewers and hosts of the Don’t Tell Me About Yourself podcast to unpack a truth many companies don’t want to hear: Interviewing isn’t broken because of AI… it was already broken. AI is just exposing it. From gut-based hiring decisions to untrained interviewers and wildly inconsistent process...
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Are Recruiting Models Broken… or Just Misunderstood?

March 25, 2026 • 44 mins
In this episode of Talentless, Des and Ashley are joined by Chloe Ryan, VP of Talent Solutions at WSI Talent Sync, to tackle a question most of the industry avoids: Are recruiting models actually broken… or do we just not understand them? From agency to RPO to retained search, there’s no shortage of options, but most companies still default to the same approach when hiring gets hard. Chloe brings nearly 15 years of ...
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Is the Resume Dead? AI Screening and the New Hiring Front Door

March 18, 2026 • 43 mins
The resume is not dead yet.But it is definitely on life support. In this episode of Talentless, Des and Ashley sit down with Mayur Macwan, CEO of Roundone.ai, to talk about what happens when the traditional resume stops being a useful signal and hiring teams are left drowning in volume, noise, and top-of-funnel chaos. They get into why so much human time gets burned before any real evidence exists, what AI screening can actually ...
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CSI: Hiring Funnel: AI Fraud, Fake Candidates, and Trust Signals

March 4, 2026 • 48 mins
AI didn’t just change hiring. It changed lying. In this episode of Talentless, Des and Ashley sit down with Maryam Mahdaviani, Founder & CEO of Attesto, to unpack what “candidate fraud” actually looks like in 2026. We’re not talking about a little resume inflation. We’re talking: Fabricated LinkedIn + resume + GitHub ecosystems Impersonation and proxy interviews Fake candidates w...
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Building the Table: Leadership, Power & The Climb

February 21, 2026 • 50 mins
Leadership conversations love to talk about intention.This one talks about impact. In this episode of Talentless, Desiree Goldey and Ashley King sit down with Felicia Smith, founder of The Climb, to unpack what leadership development actually looks like when diversity moves beyond buzzwords and into real behavior, decision-making, and power structures. We get into: The moment representation stops being a “pipeline prob...
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Data Over Drama: Building Strong Partnerships

February 3, 2026 • 47 mins
Ben Abear, Scaled Analytics & Innovation Manager at Adobe In this episode of Talentless, Desiree Goldey and Ashley King sit down with Ben Abear to talk about why modern hiring breaks when decisions are driven by feelings instead of facts. Ben shares how data builds trust, strengthens partnerships with the business, and helps recruiters move from order takers to true strategic partners even on small or under-resourced teams. ...
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Military Hiring Debunked

January 27, 2026 • 41 mins
Hiring veterans isn’t hard.Hiring veterans without understanding them is where everything falls apart. In this episode of Talentless, Desiree Goldey and Ashley King are joined by Lee Cage Jr. (SPHR, HRIP, CSM) to break down the myths, mistakes, and missed opportunities in military hiring. Lee brings a rare mix of experience across enterprise transformation, HR technology, and 17+ years of service in the Army National Guard,...
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AI in Talent: Why It Matters (and When It Doesn’t)

January 20, 2026 • 43 mins
AI is everywhere in recruiting right now. And depending on who you ask, it’s either the future of TA… or a compliance nightmare wrapped in a shiny demo. In this episode of Talentless, Ashley King and Desiree Goldey cut through the hype and talk about what AI actually does well in talent, what it does dangerously wrong, and why the biggest risk isn’t the tech. It’s the humans using it without guardrails. W...
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The Data That Matters

December 30, 2025 • 31 mins
Data. Data. Dada. However you say it, one thing is clear: not all data is created equal. In this episode of Talentless, Ashley King and Desiree Goldey break down what data actually matters in talent acquisition and why most TA teams are stuck reporting numbers that don’t move the business forward. This is a practical, no-fluff conversation about data literacy, business impact, and why knowing how to inte...
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Recruiter Enablement Is the Future of TA

December 16, 2025 • 35 mins
What if the problem with talent acquisition isn’t recruiters… it’s how we set them up? In this episode of Talentless, Ashley King and Desiree Goldey dig into recruiter enablement and why it’s quickly becoming the difference between TA teams that survive and those that actually move the business forward. We unpack what recruiter enablement really means (spoiler: it’s not just more tools), why me...
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