Get Started Reading Monster Romance

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Stacy (00:00):
Monster dick.
Wieners! You're welcome.

EJ (00:09):
That's a brilliant opening.
You're welcome.
We are your hostesses, ej,Stacy, and Amy.
we're still going to, we'restill on our, our bookish
discussion.
What's the word I'm looking for?
Trend, wave, track, I mean,we're, we're, we're, we're on
like, we're on a bookishdiscussion path.

(00:31):
We do have specific book.
Discussions like in cube, butthis ain't it.
Instead this is us talking aboutall for all the newbie Monster
fuckers out there all of ourbaby monster fuckers.
How does one even get in to themonster?
Romance genre so today we'regoing to be talking about some

(00:56):
reviewers Influencers Who havehave explored this.
I kind of talk about some of ourfavorite ones, or really, I'm
just going to be sitting downand listening to a lot of Amy
talk about.
Some of her, her mostentertaining observations, and

(01:17):
then we'll also talk about somerecommendations that we would
have for those who are kind ofinterested in this, frankly,
outrageous and weird genre, andwe know it's, it can be
outrageous and we know it can beweird.
That's why we like it.
And we want you to enjoyyourself too.
So let's get into it, shall we?

(01:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, Amy, as monster romance getsmore popular and more visible,
we're starting to see morebloggers of different kinds
influencers, reviewers, whathave you.
They're reading it and they'retalking about it.
And I kind of like, you know,What are some of the most

(01:57):
entertaining reactions that youhave encountered so far?

Amy (02:04):
Okay, well, first and foremost when it comes to
monster romance, we all knowthat there's a spectrum.
And the funny thing is, is thatwhen some of these readers
choose to go, they, they chooseto go wide.
It's like, some of them arelike, oh, we're going to dip our
toes, we're going to read alittle vampire romance, maybe

(02:25):
read a little shifter romance,you know, that's monster,
monster romance light, somethingto that extent.
And then there are those thatare reading, say what is Opal
Raines first book, A Soul, MySoul, or A Soul to Take, or
something

EJ (02:40):
like that.
Something like that, yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, Opal Raines like,what's her Dust Walker series?
Yes,

Amy (02:47):
the Dust Walker series, yes.
And basically where there,there's, there's tentacles
involved with the peons.

Stacy (02:52):
Yes.
So yeah.

EJ (02:55):
And there's skulls.
Or,

Amy (02:57):
or there could possibly be some borderline vore going on.
Yes.
Do

EJ (03:04):
we know what vore is?
Let's give a definition for ourlisteners.
Okay.

Amy (03:10):
Vore is basically the idea of experiencing sexual euphoria
in the act of typically beingeaten.
And we're talking not eating

Stacy (03:21):
out.
We are talking about We'retalking actually consumed.
Yes,

Amy (03:25):
or just, perhaps, just, you know, nommed on a bit in a giant
mouth or something like that.
Which actually,

Stacy (03:33):
one of the

Amy (03:34):
reviewers, she experienced that with was it a Cleo Adams
book or something like that?
I don't know, because itinvolved dragons and they were
dragon shifters, technically,and she basically kind of was
like, I didn't know what wasgoing on, and I'm like, honey,
you've obviously neverexperienced,

Stacy (03:52):
or heard of it.
I'm not going to lie, boar makesme uncomfortable.
That is understandable.

Amy (03:59):
Boar is a very, very specific sub niche of interest.

Stacy (04:03):
I think boar, to me, because I, it's the same thing
that I have where, like, there'sa, you know, like a genre, a
popular genre in horror moviesis cannibalism, and I get the
same squick from cannibalismmovies that I get from boar.

Amy (04:18):
Fair.
That is totally, totally fair.

Stacy (04:20):
Which again, I'm not yucking anybody's yum, I'm just
saying, it's not for me.

EJ (04:24):
Yeah, no, fair enough.

Amy (04:26):
And then you have those that go completely off the deep
end and I have to wonder if it'smostly because of their patrons
or their followers that areencouraging, coaxing urging them
to read said books, such as VeraValentine's erotic door novella.

EJ (04:46):
Vera Valentine, you're fucking awesome.
Bless you.
Your niche rocks.
It certainly does.
I also, at the same time, do notunderstand people who are like,
This is outrageous! I'm like,well, it's, it's a balloon
animal.
That's fucking you.
Oh yeah, Squeak.

Stacy (05:05):
Yeah.
Squeak! That hadn't been a Amulti partner one, I totally
would have read that.

Amy (05:13):
I will say oftentimes these influencers slash booktubers or
whomever, they will, they willof course be up front about this
and say, my patrons made me readthis, or I read this so you
don't have to.
Fair enough, fair enough.
Or something like that.
Yeah, yeah.
It's funny, especially when theychoose to do a reading vlog,

(05:34):
where they're, you know,they're, they're, they're
recording as they're reading thebook, and they're like, They
just kind of stop and they'relike, okay, so blah, blah, blah,
and I'm just like, ah, I don'tknow how this is going on or
what's going on.
And you just watch their

Stacy (05:51):
eyes just kind of like, or

Amy (05:54):
just kind of like, or their, their mouths are gazing
over like, ah,

Stacy (06:01):
no, man, that's the thing is, is with, with things like
that is like, you got to leanin, but you got to double down.

Amy (06:08):
I, I get that, but I also appreciate some of the reviewers
that really take it, they takeit very, not very seriously, but
professionally because this,this is their, this is kind of
their job, and one, one of theones she actually rated them on
several different scales,basically on story, on monster

(06:30):
Monster spectrum, like sheclassified vampires and
werewolves as being a onewhereas,

Stacy (06:38):
oh, like in terms of like strangeness basically?
Yes, correct.
Mon relatability to, there'smonstrousness

Amy (06:44):
is like that and like Kaulu would be five and that, that was
what she stuck with was like oneto five and like a three was.
Where she put some, some, someof them, like she had read The
Dragon's Pride by Katie Roberts,which she actually did it, that
it was actually the best ofKatie Roberts that she had read,
because she had a hard time,she's had a hard time getting

(07:04):
into Katie Roberts stuff, but,for for the dragon, I forget
what his name is, but she puthim out of three, because he is
humanoid, there is some human inhim, because that's what
they're, they're doing, they,They mate with humans too so
there's obviously some sort ofhuman in him as well, but you
know, he does have two peens,two lovely eggplants.

Stacy (07:27):
He does.
And

Amy (07:29):
then she also rates them as, you know, love him or list
him, I guess, as

Stacy (07:34):
in, I don't know what listing is, yeah, I guess,

Amy (07:39):
I guess, yes, I guess that, and then also, like personal
preference or whatnot, and shewould, you know, give her rating
for, like, oh, it's like, Ireally loved him, but, or, I'm
like, their, it's like, theirdynamic wasn't really my thing,
so it'd be a pass, or, smash orpass, there we go.
Smash or pass.
Oh, smash or pass, yeah.

(07:59):
Yes, yes.
So, and, she pretty, it's funny,Stacey, because she also
classified and she, she's like,she was thinking, you know, Oh,
I really should classify AlienRomance in it, because she is a
Ruby Dixon fan, she loves herIce Planet romance.
And her favorite one was Floor'ssomething or other?

Stacy (08:19):
Floor's Fiasco.

Amy (08:20):
That's it, yes.
And that's, that was the onewhere she really, that was her
overall monster, that was her

Stacy (08:27):
dream.
Oh, nice, very nice.
But she

Amy (08:31):
had read she had read The Dragon's Bride, Deceived by the
Gargoyles, which Also wasn't herthing because she, the one she
really, the one she really,really liked was Broderick, and
of course Broderick's awesome,but When it comes to reverse
harem and polyamory, it's likeshe ends up wanting to focus on
just one pairing rather than allof it, so That's why she's like,

(08:53):
it's really a pass for youbecause I can't really I don't
really do

Stacy (08:57):
the multi lovers, right?
Yes.
Yes.
Same thing for

Amy (09:00):
me.
So I think I think you'dappreciate that about about her
stuff, too.
What else did she read?
She read the first of theDuskwalker books to because
Orpheus had his whatever but shethe issue she had with with that
couple was The likeability ofthe, of the main characters, she
had a, she had a hard timeliking them, which is why she's

(09:21):
like, meh, he'd be a pass, not asmash,

Stacy (09:24):
and yeah.
Like, like, the likeability ofmale and female characters, or
just male characters, or justfemale?
No,

Amy (09:30):
both, both of them, both of them.
Gotcha.
Main character, main malecharacter and yeah, but just, I
mean, she's very, she's verythorough in her process because
she loves statistics.
Honestly, EJ, I think you mightenjoy following her as a
BookTuber because she goes intoher stats.
And she is a big romance reader.
I actually love watching herbecause she's always like, oh,

(09:52):
hello.
It's just, it's, it's reallynice.
And

Stacy (09:58):
then It sounds like she's very, it's like her, her
information is approachable iswhat it sounds like.
Yeah.
It

Amy (10:03):
really is.
It really is.
She's very honest in her reviewsand she tries to find the
positive in all of what shereads, even if her ratings may
not be the highest.
I think out of all the monsterromance books she read, the
lowest rating she gave was likethree stars,

Stacy (10:25):
which is great.
Okay, so that's not bad.
I mean, that's average.
So yeah,

Amy (10:28):
she, she enjoyed pretty much all of them.
And then there was anotherreviewer who I actually had
watched her reading blog of whenshe read three Particular
monster romances, and one ofthe, she read I Married a Lizard
Man by Regine Abel.

Stacy (10:47):
That's a good one.
Classic.
The

Amy (10:49):
Dragon's Pride.
I need to reread that one.
By Katie Roberts.
And the third one, what was thethird one she read?
Was it Morning Glory MilkingFarm?
I think that's what it was.
Yes, it must have been anyways,this one she, she actually had
an, a list of recommendationsfor Monster Ramen.
Some of this like, yep, yep.
I, I am totally on board withwhat you're recommending because

(11:11):
I've read quite a few of theseand I, I like what you're saying
about them.
At least the ones that I hadread, there was like one in
there a Harley LaRue

Stacy (11:19):
one.
I've heard of Harley LaRue, but,yes, yes, yes, yes, that's a
really good book.
She did, she

Amy (11:25):
recommended that one, like, I haven't read it, so I don't
know, maybe it is, maybe it'snot.
If it's

Stacy (11:30):
the one I'm thinking of, it's excellent.
Where he's like her, he's like ademon who sort of eats her pain
from her like childhoodreligious trauma.
Yes, that's an excellent,excellent book.

Amy (11:44):
Yeah.
But like the, like the previousone who did all the stats, she
enjoyed The Dragon's Bride alot, she enjoyed Mourning Glory
Milking Farm a hell of a lotmore than she was expecting.
And that was actually one thatI'm, I'm, I'm wanting to see if
she's read A Blue RibbonRomance, because like, you're
gonna get the same story, butyou're gonna get Rourke's point

(12:04):
of view, which of

Stacy (12:05):
course is

Amy (12:06):
Because you don't always get, you don't always get the
male

Stacy (12:09):
point of view.
Right, for sure.
And if you love a story, it'salways awesome when you can find
a new source of, where you canglean information.

Amy (12:19):
She also read the first of the Kraken books, which it took
her a
bit

Stacy (12:23):
of time.
The Tiffany Robbins TiffanyRoberts Krakens.
Yes, exactly.

Amy (12:26):
Mm-Hmm.
Sorry, I should clarified.
Yes.
The first of the Tiffany RobertsKraken books.
And she said it took her a bitof time to get past the
Monstrousness.
I'm like, that's the beauty

EJ (12:36):
of

Stacy (12:36):
that stuff.
Yeah.
But if you're new though, liketrue, because I can remember
when I started reading Sci-firomance.
It was like, okay, well, youknow, I can handle a Ice Planet
Barbarians, but I, I, they'refine because they're just like,
you know, they're basicallyhumans with extra implements
and, but they're blue, butthey're human and, and now it's
just like, it's a sentient blobefflexor.

(12:58):
Great.
Sign me up.
I'll read it.

Amy (13:01):
I totally get it, Stacey.
But yes, and, and, and they,they, all of them have admitted,
well, with the exception of thefirst one I mentioned, it's like
they're, they're new to monsterromance.
I mean, I get it.
When you're new, you kind ofwant to, you know, sort of
slowly make your way in orsomething.
Some people are like that.
Others are like, let's just diveright into the cannonball area.

(13:24):
The brain,

EJ (13:25):
soul, souls even I like started with just Ruby Dixon,
like I was, I was super chill orcause yeah, they're very human
like but you know, it, it wasfun because they essentially
have.
Okay.
Rabbit vibrator style dildos forpenises.
And I was like, I seepossibility here.

(13:49):
And it kind of just, it wentfrom there.
Yes.

Amy (13:54):
So we had.
So I'm going from the really bigheavy stats person to the one
who really enjoyed a lot of whatshe did read and she, she does
kind of want to get more intomonster romance, but just, you
know, kind of feel her waythrough some of the series that
she had already read books from.

(14:15):
And then we have the one whocannonballed into some areas and
I'm just like, Sweetie, why didyou do that?
And this one actually had readThis is the one who had read the
first of the Well, not first.
I think it was book two of CleoEvans Monster Cafe, Cryptid
Cafe.
Cryptid Cafe?
Oh, yeah, yeah,

Stacy (14:35):
yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's like an ongoingseries.
Yes, it is.

Amy (14:40):
And she was just kind of thrown off by, by the, the
vorishness going on with thedragons.
And and then she read Seed bythe Gargoyles, and she's like, I
didn't really like that as muchbecause there was a lot of the
use of the word seed, and da dada da da, and other stuff, and
just, she kind of went into it,and then, That's when she also

(15:03):
got into the Maid and the Orcs,and I'm just

Stacy (15:06):
like, Sweetie, you didn't like Seed

Amy (15:09):
that much in there.
I'm sure it was mentioned

Stacy (15:12):
quite a bit in Maid.
I, yes.

Amy (15:15):
The weird thing is, is that in her review, she's like,
Unironically, I really likedthis.
But it's probably a bad book.
And I'm like, What do you mean

Stacy (15:24):
by unironically?

EJ (15:26):
Right.
I don't feel the need to unpackher statement there.
I feel the need for her to feelthe need to unpack

Stacy (15:32):
that statement.
Yeah.
Like, do it for yourself.

Amy (15:36):
She's like, she loved it, but she was like, it was a bad
book.
I'm like, what do you mean?
I don't know if she feels guiltyabout liking it.
She's like, she enjoyed it, butshe's also admitted that she
couldn't recommend it.
I'm like

EJ (15:48):
I mean, for someone who's new to Orcsworn, I would not
recommend, I would very unlikelyrecommend The Maid and Orcs for
a newbie.
I would probably be more like,start with number one, The Lady
and the Orc, and, you know, gofrom there.

Amy (16:11):
The funny thing was that she just, she just dove right on
in into book six, having notread books one through five, and
I'm like,

Stacy (16:20):
I just, I don't understand, yeah, like, why
would you jump in the fucking

EJ (16:23):
middle of it?
I, I'm just over here like, youknow, Family Fun writes like
bricks.
We, we could build a goddamnigloo with that woman's books.
You know, so like.
I'm also thinking, you'restarting in the middle of a
series.
You're starting in the middle ofa series of a writer who is
almost hilariously known forwriting very chonky books, so

(16:46):
it's a commitment.
She

Amy (16:48):
also complained about that.
She's like, this was reallylong.
I read it in two days, but Idon't think the book needed to
be

Stacy (16:54):
this long, and I'm like, Oh, for fuck's sake.
That's like that dip shit thatwhen I was looking at the, the
S.
J.
Sanders.
Series and it was like pumpkinspice and everything nice or
something like that and had afucking jack o lantern on the
cover and they gave it two starsbecause they don't really like
Halloween and it's like, but youpicked up a book with a fucking
jack o lantern on the cover.

EJ (17:12):
I think something that's very important.
I wrote this in my littlenewsletter blog and I stand by
it.
Finley fans, core readers, aresize queens.
And that is in two senses of theword.
They like big books and big Orcdicks.

(17:35):
And they get both.

Stacy (17:40):
Yep, that's right.
I 100 percent agree with it.
Drown me in words and drown mein words.
And

EJ (17:47):
so, like, on one hand, I groan.
But also, on the other hand, I'mlike, you know what, I really
feel like a quick visit toFinley Fenn's Discord.
would have cleared a lot ofstuff up real damn quick.
No judgment, but we would havebeen honest with you.

Stacy (18:03):
Yes.

Amy (18:05):
And it's, it was just, it was hilarious because she's
like, this is why she's likesaying, I don't know if monster
romance is for me.
I'm like, that's funny.
With as big as a spectrum asMonster Romance is, you can find
ones that actually don't involveluck, it's so calm.

Stacy (18:26):
She mentioned that.
That's not your bag, that's notyour bag.
Yeah.

Amy (18:30):
Absolutely.
I'm like, I get that, but you'regonna, you need to keep digging.
Yes, you're gonna have to read afew that are maybe, or you don't
even have to finish

Stacy (18:40):
the ones that you start.
Mm

EJ (18:42):
hmm.
Remember.
Oh, absolutely.
Embrace DNF.
Embrace the DNF.

Amy (18:46):
Embrace the DNF.
Exactly.
It is okay to stop reading abook

Stacy (18:49):
and one thing that I would like to see people do more
is You can look at a book and belike, you know, this just isn't
for me.
And that doesn't make it a badbook.
That just means it's not a goodfit for

EJ (19:00):
you.
Right.
And it has nothing to do withyou as a reader or it as a book.
It just means you

Stacy (19:07):
don't match together.
Right.
It just means that they're, youknow, your personalities don't
mesh and that's okay because ithappens.
I mean, it's the, again, it'slike that dip shit that read the
SJ Sanders book and then gaveher two stars.
'cause she doesn't likeHalloween stuff.
It's like, that doesn't make ita, a, a bad book that makes you
bad at choosing your reading.
This is true.
Fucking you're

Amy (19:26):
not being true to yourself.
You are not being true toyourself as a

EJ (19:31):
reader.
Yeah, there is.
I I do kind of, I, I, I, I dokind of like see around with the
idea of reading terriblereviews.
Like hilariously terriblereviews, like what you described
there, Stacey, like a Halloweenbook and you didn't like it
because you don't likeHalloween.
And yet here you are reading abook where the theme is

(19:54):
Halloween.
It sort of reminds me of like,oh, there were some, there are a
couple of American late nightshows that We'll have like
celebrities read terrible tweetsabout themselves.
Yes, mean tweets, yeah.
Mean tweets.
I, I don't think I would, it isnot many authors that I would be
like, you want to read aloudsome mean reviews about
yourself?

(20:15):
I mean, we could do that.
And then we would laugh.
I, I, and we could make themabsolutely anonymous.
I have no interest in likedoxing someone for their
terrible book choices.

Amy (20:28):
No, because you just,

EJ (20:30):
what's the point?
What is I, I don't, I don't wantthat internet karma.
No, no, no, no.

Stacy (20:35):
It's just,

Amy (20:36):
it's a funny thing because You have, you have, you have
actual readers that enjoymonster romance and once you
find your area that you like inmonster romance, you kind of,
you kind of stick with it andyou go, go there and then maybe
you feel out into one area.
There's, there's some books thatI'm kind of like, I might want

(20:59):
to read this.
I don't know if it's right nowthat I'm ready for it, so I'm
gonna stick to Kindle UnlimitedTBR.

Stacy (21:07):
Right.
Well, and again, that's thething with monster romance is, I
really feel like you can't Ifyou're gonna read monster
romance, read fucking monsterromance.
Like, you can't I'm trying tothink of how to word this, like,
it's not, I, what I'm trying tosay makes sense in my head, but

(21:28):
I know if I say it out loud it'sgoing to come across insulting
in a way that I don't intend.
Basically, if you're gonnawander out into weird, you have
to expect weird.

Amy (21:38):
I think that is kind of what a lot of the reviewers that
I have seen.
Mm-Hmm.
they accept that.
Mm-Hmm.
And oftentimes we'll say, theywill say that it's like, this
part, this kind of weirdness wasnot really for

Stacy (21:51):
me.
Right.
And that's totally okay.
Oh yeah.
You know, and that's legit stuffjust isn't, you know, like,
again, I don't, I don't sayromance or, or, or reverse.
Harem is terrible.
Mm-Hmm.
I just don't care for it.
Mm-Hmm.
correct.
And there's nothing wrong withreverse harem, there's nothing
wrong with people liking reverseharem, it's just not what I'm

(22:11):
looking for.

EJ (22:13):
No, absolutely.
Like, it's I

Amy (22:15):
know not to recommend reverse harem books to Stacey,
she knows not to recommendOmegaverse

Stacy (22:20):
to me.
Exactly.
Or particularly dark dubcon.
Yeah.

EJ (22:27):
And the beautiful thing I would say about Monster Romance
is how it keeps on growing.
So I think there's even, everysingle year I swear there's more
avenues for people to enter andexplore Monster Romance.
Hell yeah.
That's the beauty of it.
Yeah, we, we had touched on thisin Amy, I'm going absolutely.

(22:51):
I'm going to credit you for thistip because like one of my
questions is what tips do youhave for the baby monster
fuckers out there when they'retrying to get into this world?
Right.
And I thought you had some greatwisdom on our chat, which was
fine.
Start with a genre that you knowyou like.
And then find monsters in it.

(23:13):
And I was like, that is clever.

Stacy (23:15):
I would also say, another thing too is find a monster you
think is sexy and look for that.
That's true too.
You know, like if you're intovampires, find some fucking
vampires.
If you're into elves, likethere's all kinds, like I would
consider fae romance to be

EJ (23:32):
monster fucking.
Absolutely.
Yeah, you know,

Stacy (23:35):
and just the variety of what you have out there for fae
romance.
I mean, you, you can findeverything from like shifters to
polycules to changelings.
Yeah.
To Sarah J.
Moss, which, you know, not forme, but to each their own.

EJ (23:54):
Right.
Yeah.
And, you know, you got, if, ifyour starting point is pretty
boy fairies, I am, I ampersonally inclusive enough of a
monster fucker.
I'm like, good start.
Sure.
Good start.

Stacy (24:07):
You know.
If I can think of worst ways tostart, should I give you some
recommendations?
Right.
Heck, my

Amy (24:11):
first start was vampires and werewolves.
Yeah.
Technically, that's, that wasmore

Stacy (24:16):
paranormal romance, but.
They're still monsters.

EJ (24:20):
Right.

Stacy (24:20):
Because I've been reading romance novels since the 80s.
Like, I started reading way tooyoung.
I think I was 10 when I startedto read my mother's romance
novels.
Mm hmm.
And one of my favorite books ofall time, it's still one of my
favorite books, is calledUncertain Magic by Laura Kinsel.
And it's not monster fucker, butit's monster fucker adjacent.

(24:42):
And it actually deals with Irishfairies and sort of the
ramifications of them playingwith humans, essentially.
And both of the, the the heroand the heroine are both human,
but they're both fey touch.
And so it's kind of like howit's impacted both of their
lives.
And, and that was kind of thestart for me because that book

(25:02):
is so, it was so unusualcompared to everything else.
Because my mother ended upgetting a free copy of it with,
with a Joanna Lindsay book andhe was defined off the heart
when it was released.
So it was like by JoannaLindsay's and you automatically
got the Laura Kinsell book likeshrink wrapped to the Laura to
the Joanna Lindsay.
And so my mom got that.

(25:24):
Those books for her birthdayfrom my much older sister, and I
was curious about UncertainMagic because it was just like,
like, there was nothing on thecover.
It literally just said UncertainMagic in purple and was like,
free copy with Joanna Lindsay'sTo Find Out the Heart.
And and I read it and justfucking fell in love with it.

(25:45):
And so, like, that was kind of,like, my first exposure to
monster fucking.
But then, like, you wouldoccasionally find, like, the
odd, like vampire novel, if youwere lucky.
And I was really into vampiresas a teenager, so that was fine
with me.
But true monster fucking, like,I can only think of one werewolf

(26:08):
story.
When I was a teenager, and itwasn't even a true werewolf, it
was someone, it was a RebeccaBrandewin short story about an
Irish chieftain who was under acurse to believe he was a
werewolf and he'd wear this wolfskin, basically, when he was in
this hallucinatory state,basically.
But it was super hot because Shewas drugged and thought she was

(26:30):
being fucked by a wolf,basically.
And so, like, 16 year old me islike, alright, I'm listening.
And and then in the ending itwas a whole, like, it broke the
curse, I didn't think it was awolf anymore.
And I was like, alright, I mean,I guess we have to.
It's kind of like the end ofBeauty and the Beast, you know?
When, oh, alright, I guessthat's what he looks like.
Well, alright.
Don't worry.
I'm already invested at thispoint.

Amy (26:52):
That is one thing that I will say.
The best retellings of Beautyand the Beast, in my opinion,
are those that changed thatending.
Yep.

Stacy (27:01):
Book, yeah.
Or Beauty by Robin McKinley.
That's an excellent book.
But that's young adult.
There's no She doesn't getrailed.
Rose Daughter's good.
I need to read Rose Daughter.
I haven't read that one yet.
I need to read this.
McKinley, so so when actualmonster fucking came around, I

(27:22):
had already kind of gotten mytoes wet.
Mm hmm.
And for me, like, I was readingParanormal Romance because I was
reading Presley Cole andanything like that that I could
find.
And, like, Emma Holly was onewho, she had really cool, she
had kind of her own version ofvampirism that was like a mix of
vampires and wolves that wasreally cool.

(27:43):
And so it kind of became likeyou'd find an author that you
liked and you'd kind of glomonto one.
Because you never knew, like,you know, these authors could be
few and far between.
Or, like, I loved Presley Cole.
I read a couple of GinaShowalters and liked them, but I
never got into Gina Showalterthe same way that I got into
Presley

Amy (28:02):
Cole.
Yeah, I think the only Gina bookthat I have kept The Nim King,

Stacy (28:07):
and that's a good one.
Oh boy.
Howdy.
Is it ever?
That is a good one.
That was my first experiencewith like a true him.
And so I was just like, and Iloved shame.
I

Amy (28:24):
secondary romance.

Stacy (28:26):
Which one?
The one with the chick who'dbeen choked?
The one with the throat damage?
Yes.
Yeah, I liked that one too.
I loved that a lot.
I just love that Shay was justlike an unrepentant, like, I
hate everything.

EJ (28:40):
Mm hmm.

Stacy (28:42):
But But so it was kind of like, like now you're kind of
spoiled for choice where it'slike, okay, well, I didn't care
for this, but I can check outthis or that, you know, like say
I wanted to read Minotaurs.
All right.
Well, you know, maybe I didn'tlike this Minotaur story, but I
could try SJ Sanders or I couldtry Naomi Lucas, CM Nascosta, or
I could try Naomi Lucas, or Icould try, you know, like

(29:02):
there's a lot out there tochoose from.
And so what'd you say?
Eva Priest, Evangeline Priest.
Evangeline Priest, yeah yeah.
And so it's just like kind of aif you're gonna get into monster
fucking like now is the time todo it because you do have all of
these great options that weren'tavailable prior to sort of this

EJ (29:22):
renaissance of writing that we're going through right now.
Absolutely.
I'm even thinking of like inthis current day and age like
Let's say you don't have aparticular preference on
monsters, there's now, like,such easy avenues of, like, are
you more of a contemporaryromance?
We've got

Stacy (29:42):
contemporary romance with monsters, historical romance

Amy (29:46):
with monsters.

EJ (29:46):
We got, yeah, we got historical, we even now have
Regency.
Yep.
That's

Stacy (29:52):
actually, speaking again of our Lord and Savior, Nancy
Cummings, she actually wrote aModfell story with time travel
in it, which I thought was superfucking cool.
So she basically said it duringthe, I don't think it was during
the Regency, but it might havebeen, I can't, I don't think it

(30:12):
was, I think it was more like1840s, but yeah, man, she
totally fell in love with agiant purple guy with horns.
Or

EJ (30:19):
Nancy Cummings.
We are over here

Stacy (30:21):
deifying this woman.
Look, I have my titles.
And Nancy Cummings writesThundercats, which means that
she will always get That's luck,yeah, for

EJ (30:36):
me.
There we go.
I hope if she listens to this,she is entertained by

Stacy (30:42):
us and our silliness.
Especially since I tend toirritate her on Instagram as
often as I can.

Amy (30:51):
And of course, you also have the wellspring of science
fiction monster romance.
Right.
It's everywhere.
Depending on what trope you'rewanting, oh my goodness, it's
all out

Stacy (31:03):
there.
Well, and that's kind of the funthing where you get the overlap
between sci fi and alien becauseit's like, you know, maybe
you're into Fated Mates, but youdon't want to read about
werewolves.
Well, I can give you many FatedMate alien stories, or vice
versa.
You like snakes?
You know, that's all over theplace.
You like snakes?
And on Earth.

(31:23):
I

EJ (31:28):
personally find tentacles to be a very classic of all the
kinks.
Like, you can go back deep intohuman, into

Stacy (31:36):
like, the dream of the, the fisherman's wife where she's
getting

EJ (31:41):
eaten up by an octopus.
Absolutely.
You're, you're just into theclassics if you're into
tentacles, right?

Stacy (31:50):
Well, and that's the other thing that kind of cracks
me up, too, because, again, it'sone of those nothing is new.
Under the sun, yes.
In heaven and earth.
Because humans have been tryingto fuck monsters since time
began.
Oh, definitely.

Amy (32:02):
Everything comes around again.

Stacy (32:05):
Well, and even in stuff, even in stuff that isn't
romance, like there's referencesto monster fucking.
The Zanth series by PiersAnthony.
I was very into when I was ateenager.
And the way that you got acentaur was a man fucked a
horse.
That's how all of the humanmonster hybrids happened.
Was, you know, like to end upwith a sphinx, I think it was

(32:28):
like man fucked a lion.
Like, there's, there is, it wasa human fucked something, and
then you got a hybrid.

EJ (32:36):
We are kinky sapiens.
Of all the sapiens out there, weare possibly, probably, almost
certainly the

Stacy (32:43):
kinkiest.
Well, and that's one thing outthat too, that's really funny
about Our Lord and Savior NancyCummings is in her tall series.
So that's her, her thunder cats,like in the beginning of her
book, she'll put like littlereferences, depending on like
which book it is.
And in Georgia and Talon's book,which is the second book in the

(33:03):
series, some of it is lettersbetween the characters.
Some of it is snippets frombooks.
Only exists in this universe.
And my favorite is when Talen inge, when Talen in Georgia first
start talking.
So tale's, the Thundercat Georgeis the human and they both talk
about being in school and takingone called an alien banging 1, 1

(33:25):
0 1 and the other one called itAlien Nookie 1 0 1 And there's
even a book called, So you, soyou wanna Made a human that's
basically like.
Humans are sluts, and we'll fuckanything, and also, humans are
fertile, and we'll get pregnant,so, or we'll impregnate.
So choose wisely.
And I just thought that that wasfucking

EJ (33:46):
hilarious.
Well, I want to kind of get toone of my meteor questions.
All right, let's hear it.
Stacy, for those who are overhere are like, dang, this still
seems like kind of a lot formonster romance.
Just, just give me somerecommendations, please.
What would you recommend to thebaby monster fuckers out there
to explore?
Well.

Stacy (34:08):
So depending on, I mean, the problem with that is, is
that monster fucking is such awide net to cast.
We'd need to, I'd need to ask,like, follow up questions.
Like, are you looking forsomething intense?
Are you looking for somethingfluffy?
Do you want something short?
Do you want something long?
Are aliens okay?
Do you only want monsters?

(34:28):
Do you not want monsters?
Do you only want aliens?

EJ (34:31):
Right, I think we're definitely going to have to
accept that anything that weoffer is going to be highly
incomplete, hence the previoustips of like, you know, find
monsters that you either feelmagnet, you know, attracted to,
for whatever reason, and just gowith it, accept, embrace, go
with it, you are kinky, justlike the rest of your species,

(34:53):
and it's great.
Yep.
So that's one way You too are apervert, friend.
Yes.

Amy (34:58):
And if you're not feeling that book, try another one.
You don't have to feelabsolutely that you're currently
reading.

EJ (35:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Utilize the hell out of your KUmembership.
I agree.
And like, I, and I would say tolike, you know, See if Monster
Romance has entered yoursubgenre.
If not, give it a couple ofmonths.
Seriously, it keeps onexpanding.
This is a pretty good time, Ifeel like, to be a Monster

(35:26):
Romance author.
There are so many.

Stacy (35:30):
One thing I would say, too, is, like, okay, so say
you're coming over from, youknow, like, say you, like,
Motorcycle romances, right?
Oh, yeah, Lark Green.
Lark

EJ (35:43):
Green, right off the bat.
Sorry, not like, sorry, LarkGreen has a good mobster

Stacy (35:49):
one.
Oh, gotcha, okay.
But same thing, like, mobster,mobster, motorcycle, you know,
like, whatever it is that you'reinto, and then just explore the
back catalog, because like, KateC.
Wells is, she's become one of myautobys, because she does
gangster, she does gangsters.
Motorcycle club, but she alsodoes, she has like a little wolf

(36:12):
shift shifter series.
Hmm.
You know what I mean?
Like she, because she's, she didthe alpha tyrants rejected me
and that whole Mm-Hmm.
And let me tell you man, if youlike your grovel porn, oh, it's
so good.
Yeah.
It's

EJ (36:24):
so good.
So much.
I feel like Yes.
Yes.
If, if you like some of the moredarker romance.
I, I do think it's worthmentioning Orcsworn and starting
off with the Lady.
Yeah, absolutely.
I

Amy (36:38):
think it's Start with the Lady and the Orc,

Stacy (36:41):
do not start off with the most recently released run.
Don't start with Maid, like afucking lunatic.

EJ (36:46):
Yeah, please don't do that to yourself.
And, and I think it's We love

Amy (36:50):
Maid, by the way.
Right.
It's like, that's nothing onMaid.
No, no, no, no.

Stacy (36:54):
It's not on a lot of backstory.
I don't like Thrupple, and Ilike All of Finley Fenn's

EJ (36:59):
throuple, right?
And, and I, I think with Lady,it is, it's a good litmus test
for oneself of like, do I likeit this dark?
And, you know, if you can handleLady, you can handle any of the
others, easy

Stacy (37:12):
peasy.
And the thing to remember too,that when we're saying dark,
we're not just talking aboutlike, Non con, deb con.
We're talking about do you wantto cry?

EJ (37:21):
Right.
Cause I cry.
Do you want to cry?
Do you want to explore thevulnerable broken parts of your
childhood trauma?
Right.
Do you

Stacy (37:30):
want to be on

Amy (37:31):
an emotional rollercoaster where you ride the highs and you

Stacy (37:34):
go down to the depths of despair?
Absolutely.
Pretty much.
You can ask yourself, how is itpossible to cry from one eye
into the other?
Well, lay on your side whileyou're reading and that's how.

EJ (37:45):
Yes.
But the nice thing is, I do findOrcsworn to be cathartic in
those areas.

Stacy (37:49):
Yes, hugely, yes.
And the endings are satisfying.
Same thing with the mage series,which is also by Finley.
Yeah, if you're

Amy (37:55):
not satisfied by the end, it's not a

EJ (37:58):
series for you.
Yeah, no, exactly.
I would say move on, dosomething maybe a little bit
cuter.
Like, I honestly think if youare, if, if you like to binge
Hallmark movies.
Like during Christmas time.
I actually think AshleyBennett's a good one for you.
I agree.
Like Leviathan Fitness, like,that's a really nice series

(38:22):
because it's got real Hallmark yvibes, and I mean that in the
best way.
Yes.
And it's also, it's not in acontemporary.
Universe.
You got a like cute small townievibes there and also her
marketing and branding is justcute as

Stacy (38:39):
fuck.
Oh yeah, and Konky does all thecovers and stuff.
Konky does all the covers, so.

EJ (38:45):
Right, she's got an amazing artist on her side, like dear
lord.

Stacy (38:50):
Who also does a lot of Ice Planet

EJ (38:51):
Barbarian stuff.
Right, right.
And actually for that matter,like You know, everyone's like,
you should read Ruby Dixon, andyeah, you should read

Stacy (38:59):
Ruby Dixon.
I really don't think you shouldread Ruby

EJ (39:01):
Dixon.
She's, she's a damn good storycrafter.
She is in the sci fi world underthat pen name.
And she, she is.
She does just explore somedarker parts.
Her universe does have, like,human slavery.
So if that's

Stacy (39:18):
uncomfy, don't do it.
She's not looking to rub yourface in it, but she's also not
shying away from it either.
Right, right.
It's unlikely to be on page,like, violence, like, sexual
violence against the maincharacters.
But a lot of her main charactershave had sexual violence
perpetuated upon them in theirbackstory.

EJ (39:37):
Right, right.
It is important to the contextof the story.

Stacy (39:42):
But the other thing too that's great about Ruby is,
okay, so say maybe you'reintimidated by Ice Planet
Barbarians.
Okay, so read her Anchor andAspect series.
Absolutely.
And that's like, that's highfantasy and it's amazing fucking
world building.
You know what I mean?
Or hey, you know what?
Maybe you've always had a thingfor bear shifters.
Well, guess what?
Ruby wrote a bear shifterseries, too, and it's

EJ (40:02):
adorable.

Amy (40:02):
Well, say you're not wanting to go into a very long
series and you're not ready fora really lengthy book.
I have a series for you.
The Trollkin Lovers series byLeon Riley, Lyon Riley, forgive
me Lyon.
I, I, I can't, I don't know howto pronounce your first

Stacy (40:20):
name, but my guess would be it's, it's Leon or Leonie
would be my

EJ (40:24):
guess.

Amy (40:24):
uh.
She's also one that's recentlycome onto the scene last month,
last year.
Yeah, she kind of came out ofnowhere, didn't she?
She's written so many novellas.
You have Stealing the Troll'sHeart, Healing the Orc's Heart.
Capturing the Orcs heart.
What's the fourth one?

EJ (40:42):
ej.
Oh gosh.
Keeping the Human's Heart, Iwanna say.
No, no, no.
That's the fifth one.
That's the fifth one, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Oh gosh.

Stacy (40:49):
There are, there are many.
It's another, another.
It's another troll.
But yeah, any

Amy (40:55):
of them, them, it's, it's Lozas book.
But anyways, the Troll and Loveseries, they're nice novella.
She writes short.
I love that about her absolutely

EJ (41:04):
I'm right there with you, Amy.
Riley's got, she has a reallysolid story crafter.
And, like, she can deliver awhole story in a short amount of
pages.
And it doesn't even feel like,to me anyway, as a reader, like,
wow, she really had to cut somestuff there.
Like, no, she, she fits it in.

(41:27):
Which to me speaks a shit tonabout her as a writer from a
skills, from like a technicalstandpoint.
Well,

Stacy (41:35):
right.
Yeah.
It's, it's harder to say lessthan it is to say more and still

EJ (41:38):
get your point across.
Absolutely.
Right now she's kind of like, I,I kind of appreciate, the only
reason she hasn't come out ofnowhere to me is because Amy
pointed her out to me on Tumblrand she's, She was quite
proficient on Tumblr for thelongest time before she started,
like, publishing.
And so, but like, now she'spublished and it does seem like,

(42:00):
boom, she's hit the scene,ground running, and she's like,
just churning them out andgetting these fucking awesome
ratings, including from me, andshe deserves it.

Stacy (42:11):
That's kind of like what happened with CM Niscasta too,
like, she was kind of quietlybehind the scenes on Tumblr, and
then on Patreon, and then shepublished Girls Weekend.
Which, I'm not gonna lie, Ididn't like Girls Weekend
particularly.
I liked L'Oreal and It's

EJ (42:23):
not her more popular stuff, yeah.
I liked

Stacy (42:26):
L'Oreal and Cash, but I, you hardly got to know Oh fuck,
her name just blinked out of myhead.
Riz?
The one who's with the, thepunk.
Riz.
Yeah, Riz.
Riz, yeah, you hardly got toknow Riz.
And I thought, in the first bookanyway, I thought Silva was a
bitch.
Yeah.
And then it's been in subsequentstories that you kind of come to
realize Like you, you, like you,you kind of gain affection for

(42:51):
these characters over time andexposure.
Cause like in Morning GloryMilking Farm, well more in Blue
Ribbon Romance, you find outRourke is Luriel's neighbor.
And Cash irritates the shit outof him, which is hilarious
because he and Cash arebasically the same person.
And totally

Amy (43:09):
a phenomenon.
You can see him, Niscasta hascome out and said this,

Stacy (43:11):
they're the same person.
Yeah, oh no, she, yeah, they sayit, like L'Oreal says it in the
book.
Like, at some point she laughedor roared and said it was
hilarious that Cash irritatedhim so much because they were
the same person.
Mm hmm, mm hmm.
And but again, it was likebefore Girls Weekend came out,
like, I didn't know who the hellshe was and honestly I was into

(43:31):
her because I was looking fororc stuff because I had read
Orcsworn and then I found likeone other decent orc series at
that point in time which is Ibelieve it's Tara Phillips wrote
it and they're more novellas butthey're really good.
Yeah I think the first one issold to the orc if I remember if
I'm remembering right.
But So I was just like, fuckyeah, it works.
And then she had all of the,like, just sexy as shit

(43:54):
illustrations by Illustrian.
Oh my goodness, yes.
Fuck yes.
And so

Amy (43:59):
Well, she's also working on some in her fantasy world, too.
The sad part is that she hastaken them down from Tumblr, and
I totally get that, becauseobviously it's not the complete
story that you're getting there.
So it's like Yeah, I'm takingthis down because eventually I'm
going to be producing somethinga bit more substantial.

Stacy (44:19):
Right, some more is going to come of it, I just have to
take it down for now.
And And so it's really fucking,it's, that's the really cool
thing about this, is that, Imean, you get these people who
are like, they appearedovernight, but it's like, they
didn't really appear overnight,they've been here quietly
working for years.
Cause it's the same thing withRuby Dixon, when I started
reading Ruby Dixon, nobody knewwho the fuck Ruby Dixon was,

(44:40):
other than perverts like me, whowere reading Ice Plan of
Barbarians.
It wasn't until she blew up onBookTok that all of a sudden
everybody was reading Ice PlanetBarbarians, which is great, I'm
glad she got the exposure, butshe said herself that, like,
her, like, just, like, theattention levels people had on
her jumped 400 percent orsomething like that because she

(45:03):
went viral, you know?
Right.
And, but, but it's just a, it'sjust, it's interesting how it's
that they came out of nowhere,and it's like, no, they really
didn't.
No, they're only just nowgaining widespread attention,
basically, and I'm not that'snot a criticism.

(45:24):
I'm just pointing out that a lotof the people that people say,
Oh, they came out of nowhere.
And I'm not talking about you.
I

Amy (45:33):
found it funny because a lot of their viewers that I that
I have watched and whatnot.
In the time that I've seen theirvideos, they were basically not
targeting, but they werefocusing a lot on those.
Monster Romance books that hadreached BookTok

Stacy (45:49):
Right.
Yeah, because they joined thetrend of, Oh, everybody's
talking about this.
I want to get some of thatattention.

EJ (45:56):
Oh yeah, for sure.
It's part of their, their wholejob as content creators.
Yeah.
So I get it.
It's

Stacy (46:01):
the, you know, it's the whole thing with, you know, and
then Tiffany Roberts blew up onBookTok because of the the

Amy (46:06):
Rick series.
Yep.
Spider's Mate was amazing.

EJ (46:10):
Yeah, I thought Spider's was Morning Glory Milking Farm.
And honestly, like, it's a good,it is a good beginner book.
I have to say.
Especially because I thinkwhat's fun about it is the
premise is very porny.
And it is frankly very porny.
But it's more than just porny.

(46:31):
It's actually very sweet.

Stacy (46:33):
And Nisgast is really

EJ (46:34):
good at that.
I mean, she is.
I think, like I think for thosewho do need that sweetness, the
Cambric Creek stuff, like,you're not going to go wrong.
It's all sorts of differentkinds of sweet.
I, I could, I can definitely saythere are some exceptions like
run run rabbit, like, yes,

Stacy (46:56):
but she was open at the front that this was a darker.

EJ (46:59):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And so like, she, she does a lotof her due diligence like you
just have to read the synopsis.
Yes.

Stacy (47:09):
She will warn you.
I think with her, too, whatshe's so fucking good at is she
understands people, people,like, she understands when you
ache or something.
Whether it's something you canobtain or not.
Like, one of the things thatmade The Maven Feast, which is

(47:30):
part of the Wheel of the Yearsseries, with Anne, yeah, with
Anzen and Ladybug, like, part ofwhat made that, So heart rending
was that they were both sofucking lonely.
And you could tell how lonelythey were, but neither of them
knew how to fix it becauseLadybug is neurodivergent, and

(47:50):
Anzen, the way his entirespecies is built is you find
your queen and you serve her,and he was never able to find
his queen.
And then he finds it in Ladybug,you know, and so it's just this
beautiful, like, really lovingstory of lonely people finding

(48:12):
each other, even if one of thoselonely people happens to be a
fucking spider.

EJ (48:15):
I seem to vaguely recall that CM Nostosta has a marketing
background.
She might, and I think do, andit wouldn't shock me at all if
it has helped her in Oh yeah,

Stacy (48:31):
I, I don't see how it could.

EJ (48:33):
Well, like in her book marketing for sure but also
like, I don't have a formal bookmarketing degree, I've only
worked for marketers as like,you know, the, the smart techie
in the room.
But I, I did always find it kindof adorable how, like, a lot of
marketers will think about like,The stories of people.

(48:54):
It's motivating them.

Stacy (48:56):
Right.
Well, yeah, because you can'tappeal something to them if you
don't know what makes them

EJ (49:00):
tick.
Right.
And so, there's a part of methat kind of wonders, like,
whenever she's building upcharacters, like, this is one of
the reasons I would love to,like, sit down and ask her just
some, like, general craftingquestions of, like, So, do you
have, like, a customer persona?
Or something like that for your,for your characters because it

(49:23):
would work.
It would work.
Gosh darn it.
It would absolutely work.
So, but anyway, yeah, so SamNescasta, perfect for baby
monster fuckers.
Yeah, I

Stacy (49:33):
think so too, because, because again, she's really good
at taking an unreal situationand making it very real world
acceptable.
Like there's a story in BlueRibbon Romance where Rourke is
reflecting on he had a felinehumanoid neighbor who she wanted
to heat because they didn't haveheat clinics at that point in
time.
Oh, yeah.

(49:53):
And she wanted to heat and shewas just like run, like, walking
up and down the street naked,like, begging somebody to fuck
her.
And how it was, like, superembarrassing for her afterwards
and stuff like, and, like,that's not something you think
about, like, you think about howhot it would be to be with,
like, Oh, you know, I fucked himthrough his teeth.
It's like, but what happens ifyou don't have a partner?
Right.
You know, like, or there's, shehas a short story series with a,

(50:16):
I can't remember the The, thegirlfriend's name, but the,
she's dating an Oni named Kenta.

EJ (50:23):
Yeah.

Stacy (50:23):
Mm hmm.
And like, that one is reallysweet because I think she's
technically part shifter, butshe's, she's skewed entirely
human.
She can't, she can't shift oranything and her dad abandoned
her and her mom.
Mm hmm.
And so like, you know, shefocuses on like, she feels like
there's, there's a, you know,part of her heritage that she
can't access.

(50:45):
And, you know, and it's, again,it's the kind of thing that you
don't think about when you thinkabout, like, sexy werewolves.
And don't get me wrong, I likethinking about sexy werewolves,
but it would fucking suck if youwere in the sexy werewolf
community and couldn't become afucking werewolf.
Yeah, absolutely.
Even though you were a member ofthe sexy werewolf family, you
know?
Yeah, yeah.
And by the way Because I thinkthat's a big part of her

EJ (51:06):
appeal.
I, I absolutely agree.
And By the way, all of thesebooks, of course, as usual, I
will, I will make sure that wehave a list in our show notes so
anyone who's, like, freakingout, I want to follow these
books.
We got you.
We got you.
Yeah.

Stacy (51:24):
We will have you.
I would also, if you want, ifyou're not sure if you want
intense or if you want sweet, Iwould actually recommend Susan
Trombley.
Yeah.
Because she has the biggerEridian Mate series, which it's
intense and dark in some placesand deals with some pretty heavy
themes.
But then she's got the sweetverse, novella, spinoffs, and

(51:46):
every one of those is so fuckingdelightful.
It is so fucking sweet and cuteand hilarious and delightful.
And it's in the same universe.
It's just, they're just not aslong and not as intense as the
original trilogy.

Amy (52:02):
Another tip to offer for any baby monster fuckers slash
monster romance readers, Sincethis is actually becoming a
bigger thing now in publishing,mostly indie publishing, look at
the content warnings in thebooks.
Yes.
Just look, look at that and seeif anything on there is a red

(52:23):
flag for you because that bookis possibly not for

Stacy (52:28):
you.
Right.
And I will say, however, that Ifucking hate this.
trend that some authors areembracing where they go for a
full list of content warning,visit my website.
That just means I'm not going toread them because I'm not going
to go to your fucking website tofigure out if your book's going
to offend me or not.
If you can't even be asked tomention it on your fucking
Amazon page.
And I know that part of that isAmazon limiting stuff, but there

(52:52):
are other authors who managed tosqueeze it in.
And if you feel like you can't,then you're just not the author
for me.
Yeah, at least put the main

Amy (52:58):
ones in the book.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, the main ones thatthat you feel would be that are
mostly encompassed within yourbook, like, right, especially if
it's non con or

Stacy (53:10):
dub.
Yes, anything pertaining to whatcould be sexual assault or abuse
are things that you really needto be conscientious about
warning reader about.

EJ (53:19):
Any form of abuse and yes, and it's totally cool.
Reading content warnings is aform of self care.
Fuck yes.

Stacy (53:28):
It's okay to read something and be like, I don't
think this is for me, man.
Yep.
Yeah.
And

Amy (53:33):
just stop reading.
Just stop reading.

Stacy (53:36):
Not for me.
Exactly, you just didn't

EJ (53:38):
mesh.

Stacy (53:39):
You ain't gotta swipe right on everybody on Tinder,
you know what I'm saying?

Amy (53:42):
There's so many books out there.
Oh yeah.
You don't have to readeverything that everyone else in
the

Stacy (53:48):
world is reading.
Yeah,

EJ (53:49):
exactly.
The, the FOMO is not real.
It's only in your head.
Yes.
Yeah.
Embrace

Stacy (53:56):
JOMO.
Which is the joy of missing out.
I, you know, as somebody wholives for canceled plans, I can
second this.

EJ (54:08):
in summary, take care of yourself, dear

Stacy (54:11):
readers.
And if it's something that youknow you don't like, don't keep
trying to read it to make itwork.
No.
Right.
No.
Do

Amy (54:22):
not force yourself to finish a book that

Stacy (54:24):
you are not liking.
Exactly.
If

Amy (54:26):
you're Hate reading, hate reading is, is far too much
energy.
You don't need that negativityin your

Stacy (54:32):
life.
I'll spite read where I youknow, like for example, the, I
mean, I was going to read itanyway, but the S.
J.
Sanders Halloween novella, nowI, I bought it because fuck that
person.
You're going to enjoy it anyway.
That's not just spiteful.
You're going to enjoy it.
I know.
Well, no, but I'm, but I'm justsaying like, even if it hadn't
been, if it had been like anAmish romance and the cover on

(54:55):
the picture or the picture onthe cover was an Amish woman
looking forlornly into thehorizon and they gave it two
stars and said, I don't likeAmish romances and I don't like
horizons.
I still would have been like,fuck you.
I'm buying the book.
Oh my goodness.
Because you're an idiot.
That's why.
Like,

Amy (55:13):
please, Walt, you don't have to read everything that
everyone else is reading.
That's what's so great about the

Stacy (55:20):
book world.
And just because somebody, like,you see a lot of hype and shit
on TikTok, like, do your ownfucking research.
Like, I was really curious toread Sarah J Maas.
I have nothing against thiswoman.
I do not know her.
I wish her nothing but the best.
But I did some research into herbooks, and there was some stuff
in the books that I was like, Idon't think that's for me.

(55:41):
And I'm just gonna give Thewhole, a Kotar thing amiss
because there's stuff in therethat I don't like and so why
should I subject myself to thatand I'm not helping her by
giving, by forcing myself tobecome a reader of something I
don't

EJ (55:56):
enjoy.
Especially when she has, like,a, an entire army.
Yes.

Stacy (56:03):
Who will probably come and gut me because I said I
don't want to read it.

EJ (56:07):
Quite all right.
The point is, at least, dearreaders, at least from where I'm
standing, embrace DNF.
It's a good thing.

Stacy (56:17):
Let's

Amy (56:18):
go with the FOMO,

Stacy (56:19):
y'all.
And life is too fucking short toread shite writing.

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