(RERUN) - Unveiling the Sensual Universe: Ruan Willows Erotica Writing - Talk Dirty To Me

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, well, well, go ahead and open up your ears,
your mind and whatever else youneed.
You're listening to Talk DirtyTo Me.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello all you sexy beasts and welcome back to Talk
Dirty To Me, the podcast wherefour different friends with four
different perspectives on kink,fetish and sex talk dirty to
one another.
And here we are again withanother fabulous guest for you
today.
But first I will introduce ourhost.
As usual, we have TosinAoufesso, the kink oracle.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Sarah Marie Currie here with us.
She has blessed us with herpresence in the middle of her
play rehearsal.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And Stephanie Slayton , the queen of Zabankos, howdy
y'all and myself.
Kasey, your local femdom, andwith us we have Ruan Willow.
Hello, ruan.
Hello.
I'm a fan of the erotic filmauthor, the podcast host for oh
Fuck yeah, a sex blogger, avoiceover actor, and her most
recent book is Ruins BeachGetaway.
Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (01:05):
Yeah, it just released as an audiobook.
The paperback, or paperback andebook, have been out for a
while.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Fantastic, and so let's get into it.
How long have you been writingerotica?

Speaker 6 (01:14):
I started around 2019 .
Before that, I was writingregular romance and other things
nonfiction, a lot of nonfictionand I just decided I wanted to
include sex in my storiesbecause it was more real
Relationships have fucking in it.
So I wanted to have that to mystories.
So that was my first foray intoit was I started on Twitter.

(01:35):
I just started on a total whim.
I just started an account and Istarted to write little
snippets of erotica and that wasmy first steps into it.
That was 2019.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
On your non erotic writing.
Are you also Ruan Willow?
No, that would be my real name,okay.
So Ruan Willow is my pen name.
We won't talk about that.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's like a separate world.
So do you still do non eroticwriting?
Are you fully erotic now?

Speaker 6 (01:57):
No, I do.
I just really am focusing onerotica more right now because
it's doing well, so really justkind of plowing away at it.
But I do have other books thatI have under my real name that I
need to go back and revise.
But I have one published with apublisher and another one that
is on hold because of the wholeCOVID mess, but hopefully, it
will eventually come out.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
So can you tell us the moment?
So actually, let's start here.
Do you have any?
Of course, you don't have toanswer if you don't want to any
specific kinks.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
Specific kinks.
I definitely like the wholedaddy Dom, little girl kink.
I love dirty talk, yes, I just,I don't know.
I have a lot of.
I guess I have a lot ofinterest in it.
It kind of reflects in mywriting because I write all
across the board.
I write things, you know.
I have lesbian stories, womenlove and women.
I have Dom little girl.

(02:46):
I have things all across theboard.
So I don't just I'm not one ofthose people that just sits in
one area, one genre of erotica.
I just I can't restrict myselfthat way.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
So you write like you write kink into your stories.
Oh yeah, mm-hmm, Definitely.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
Yes, on different levels.
So the books all are kind ofdifferent, different levels.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I've already started creeping heavy on Goodreads and
Tosen.
There's a book called the OralKing.
There it is, that's a reallyshort book.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's a bibliography.
It's about Tosen.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
That one was really fun because I do another thing
on my podcast where I do eroticimprov or I just sit down and I
just will like make up a storyoff the top of my fucking head
and that's how that storystarted.
I had, you know, the charactersin my head.
Sometimes I have a scene,sometimes I have just a few
notes and I just I just spin astory, and so that's how that
story began, and then I edit itand I turn it into a little

(03:40):
novella.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
And Casey, for you there's a book called the Femme
Dom Coven.
Doesn't that sound like a CaseyBob?
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I'm so glad that you were so thoughtful and
considerate and wrote a book forall of the hosts here today.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
Exactly that one is a collaboration, so it's an
anthology.
We did three books, and so thatwas one of them that we did.
So yeah those are all Femme Domstories and it's like anthology
.
All three of them areanthologies.
So when?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
you okay, you are a career writer.
Is that correct?
That's super impressive to me,because I know so many people
that want to be writers and it'sapparently very difficult.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Oh, it is Fuck yeah to you.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
When in your life, how early in your life, did you
realize what your kinks were?

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Well, when I think back, I had, I had lots of kinks
when I hadn't even been exposedto those things yet, which I
find kind of strange.
I don't know that I can explainthat, but absolutely.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
That's awesome.
I'm right there with you.
I knew as a child, so I'm rightthere with you.
Before I knew what sex was,before anything, I knew what my
kink was.
I didn't know that it was akink, but Right, yeah, rune.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
I was like, oh, I'm going to be a good kid and being
like, aw, that whole situationin Fern Gully was deeply erotic
or whatever, definitely as ateenager.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
I remember that.
I don't remember so much as ayoung child, but I do remember
that as a teenager I was justlike you know, like just blown
away by something and you know,yeah, what was it.
I remember watching the movieWild Orchid with my friend.
I don't even remember what themovie was about, really, but I
do remember my dad came stormingout of the room and was like,
are you guys watching somethingabout sex?

(05:11):
Like he was like pissed at usand I was like I was just a good
little liar and I'm like, no,no, definitely not, dad.
Amazing.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
It's quite the memory .

Speaker 6 (05:23):
It was me and my best friend.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
I would die if my dad ran into the Roman asked if I
was watching something about sex.
I would just throw the TV outthe window.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
Maybe the first time I've heard him say sex to you,
and maybe the only time.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
At this point in my life.
He came in and said that I'dsay absolutely, would you like
to join me?
I mean, I don't actually wantto watch sex with my dad, but
nothing would get him to leavethe room faster you know than me
.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Okay, that had a happy ending because I was Don't
worry, don't worry Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
So, when you write erotica, where do you like?
Where do you pull the eroticmoments from?
Is it just whatever is inspiredin the moment?
Is it based on your ownexperience with sex, or do you
write things that you don't knowabout?
Or are they fantasies, maybe?
How do you come out writing anerotic moment?

Speaker 6 (06:16):
The answer is yes.
All of those, all of thosethings.
And you know I write veryquickly and so I don't ever
really get writer's block forvery long.
I just have to stop because Ihave to do something else or run
out of time.
So you know, I'll sit down andI'll just.
I mean, I've been known towrite 4,000 words in a morning.
You know, like that's just tojust kind of flies out of me

(06:37):
Like I'm watching a movie.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know like 4,000 words in the morning like you
wake up and write 4,000 words,yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
The fastest I ever wrote a book.
This kind of this even floorsme.
I wrote a book in two weeksstraight.
What, and it?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
was what.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
It was like maybe 65, 70,000 words.
It's the fastest I ever wrote abook.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Is there some sort of book Olympics or like?
That's gotta be up there?
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, how much is 4,000 words?
I don't.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
my brand doesn't have a reference for that, like if
you're going to read it.
If you narrated it, 5,000 wordswould take you about a half
hour to say, so 10,000 wordswould be an hour of narration.
I don't know to sad help, butin audio terms.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's a lot.
It is a lot.
What is your favorite?
So do you come up with storiesand then, based around erotic
situations, do you want to writeor do you come up with the
stories and just fit the eroticsituations in as they, as they
come, arise?

Speaker 6 (07:28):
I've kind of done both, but I usually have the
characters in mind.
I don't usually start with justan idea.
I usually have the characterskind of in mind and what they're
going to do, so kind of, it'skind of coincides at the same
time often, so I kind of kind oflike dream it up at the same
time.
I guess if I did anything, Inormally would think of
characters first and then seewhere they go, and sometimes

(07:50):
they just go places I don'texpect them to and that's always
kind of fun too where it's justkind of like like it's a movie
playing, like it's justhappening and you just spill it
out and so hold on.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Let me look up at the name of the book again.
It's called the Roon's BeachGetaway.
That's your latest erotica.
Can you tell us the premise ofthat?

Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yeah, so this is a trilogy.
I haven't written the third oneyet.
I already know a lot about italready.
But the first book it's a it'sa milk story, so it's a older
woman with actually thecharacter is ruined who is an
author, so it's based on my penname, and she meets this young
man online and they start arelationship and so they meet
for the first time in a cabin inColorado and they just their

(08:30):
goal is to fulfill each other'sfantasies, and so they do all
these new things, all thesedifferent kinks.
They fuck in every room.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
It's a lot of sex.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
So the first book is very, very smutty, very, very
sex-filled.
And then the second one.
They go to the beach and sothey're renting a beach house
and they're starting to developfeelings for each other.
So this one rolls into more ofan erotic romance, but they're
still dealing with the fact thatthey have this age gap, Like
she's in her 40s and he's in his20s.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I like that.
That's the way the age gap goes.
He gets that.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
And a lot of women like that.
The woman is older because in alot of these books the man is
older and there aren't a wholelot of stories out there where
the woman is older, so that'ssomething that people do like
about the book.
And so this is an audio bookthat just came out.
So, like I said, the other wereout, others were out.
The e-book and the paperbackwere out maybe like a year ago,
so this is just just now.

(09:20):
The audio book just releasedthis month.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
And you do the voice narration for your book oh cool.
I think that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
So for this one I decided to not try and do a man
voice.
I decided to hire two men tonarrate with me.
So I narrated the guys, the menfrom the 69 Whiskey podcast,
and so that was really fun.
It was really fun too becauseboth of them this is like their
dream for both of them tonarrate a book, right.
So I was on their podcast andthey were talking about how they

(09:46):
want, how they want one of themhad gone to school for it and
the other one.
They both wanted to get into itand I'm like, well, I'm often
looking for narrators, so then Idecided to hire them.
So, like it was so fun to me tolike give them like a dream of
theirs, like that's.
I still can't get over howexciting and fun that is to be
able to do that for someone youknow like that's just so cool
yeah.
It's so cool, and so we're doinga second book together too.

(10:08):
So we're just amazing, is?

Speaker 3 (10:10):
there a podcast.
How do I get on the narrative?

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Well, if you, if you want to be on the list, you're
on it right now.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Perfect Ta-da.
Joseph has a very sexy sexvoice.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
He does I know I was listening to.
I think I listened to one, likeyou were reading a poem, I
think on Instagram.
Oh yeah, it was very sexy yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
That was me posting him on Instagram in the sexy
poetry corner.
He has all sorts of sexy poems.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
It's pretty nice To be fair, though I don't play one
that nobody's heard, and haveyou judge me with your work.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was your wordsmith .
I will never say no to havingyou play a poem for us to say
Right and also, can you justread the phone book, cause I
feel like that would also besexy.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Just saying, yeah, great, I was like an incredibly
pleasant voice and I was likelooking for I'm creeping on the
world king, and I was like Ihope you read this one.

Speaker 6 (10:59):
Yes, I would like to do all of them eventually, but
you know it takes a while.
And I do narrate for otherauthors too, because I just like
that experience and I just kindof want to broaden.
I feel like it helps broaden myreach too, because then their
fans will hear me narrate theirbooks, you know.
So I try to do other authors inmy own.
That's awesome, if you everneed ladies, I'll help you.

(11:19):
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
I'll also read some sexy books.
I'll also.
There are three sexy books foryou.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
I'll do them if they're spanking in it.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
There is the woman.
Love and woman has spanking init, and so the first book in
ruins, cabin getaway.
There's some actually in bothof those are some spanking in
both of those actually ruinsbeach getaway and cabin.
But the magic in her kisses isthere's a lot of spanking in
that one.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
What's your all time best selling book?

Speaker 6 (11:57):
I would say it probably is at this point, it
probably is magic in her kissesand that one is sold the most
audio books and the mostpaperbacks.
I would say, what is?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
that one about.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
That's the woman love and woman one.
So this one was really fun towrite.
So this is actually based on afantasy that I had in college,
and so this is a collegeprofessor and her student, and
her student is also working inher lab.
So not only is she her student,she is her employee and they
start down this relationship andshe's a really super nerdy

(12:30):
professor and she starts torealize, oh my.
God.
She starts to realize, as theyare going here, that she is a
dominant, that she is a dom, andthe girl, the college student,
doesn't really realize she'smuch of a sub, like.
In fact, at first she's likekind of rejecting that, but then
she starts to realize she is asub and so they develop this

(12:50):
relationship where they'reexploring BDSM, a lot of
spanking, and she is realizingthat she is a dom.
It's so fun because I loved it,because both of them don't know
what the fuck they're doing andthey're not following all the
rules of what you're supposed todo if you're a dom and what
you're supposed to do if you'rea sub.
You know, like they're figuringit out.
So they do all kinds of crazythings and I got to pop up, I

(13:12):
need to get down.
There we go.
It's really.
It was really fun to write andsome people have read the book
and my favorite comments are theone who said Jesus, fucking
Christ, is a 13 year old boywrite this and I'm like, yes.
And my next favorite one waspeople who love Maddie, who is a
college professor.
They love her character becauseshe's just so nerdy and lovable

(13:34):
and she's trying to figure outwhat she's doing, and so that
was a really fun one for me towrite and that was a really long
answer, sorry.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
No, no, I love the long answers.
I am buying it right now.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
So I narrated that one myself and I originally was
going to narrate it with LeilaniLei, who is a amateur porn star
.
It just broke my heart becauseshe could not get it to the
level.
Her and I narrated a booktogether.
We narrated passion to seducetogether and I got her audio to
work for that book.
But I couldn't get it to workand she recorded the lines twice

(14:06):
for this book and I couldn'tget it to pass.
I couldn't get it good enough.
So she just broke my heart.
I had to not use her, eventhough I paid for her to narrate
it.
Oh, that's a bummer, and she'smy friend too.
It was just, you know, shedidn't want to narrate it a
third time and I'm like I get it, I get it, so I ended up doing
the whole thing myself.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Acting, voice over acting is hard.
Everybody that you're lookingat right now is an actor and
I've definitely I think we'veall tried voice over acting at
some point, probably toastingthe most, and I know that it's a
totally different ballgame.
You can't acting doesn'tnecessarily translate well to it
, and if you don't have actingskills and you just try it, who
knows what you fall back on.
But I can appreciate somebodytrying it and it just not

(14:45):
working.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
I one time there rated a short story and they
told me well, we've never, everhad to stop this much for
someone to clear their throat.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
And I was like oh, great.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
They ain't rude, that is rude.
I love that for me.
Thank you so much for tellingme that statistic.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
It really helps me feel good about what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
No, I win.
Really helps my process.
Yeah, Sorry my bad.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I'm allergic to you being a asshole.
You can work on that a littlebit.
I think this will work out alittle better for everybody.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, sarah Marie, can you pull up a whole list of
ruins Book titles?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I have it pulled up onGoodreads.
Give me one second.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I just want to hear all the titles.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
I don't have them all on there, but I have a lot of
them on there.
Some of them because nowSpotify is now having audiobooks
, which is so awesome, but someof them are just on Spotify,
which is so cool, oh nice.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
No, that's not it.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Books by Ruan Willow LockdownLust a collection of steamy
stories from the 2020coronavirus pandemic.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Some of them are ones I narrated for other people, so
that's one I narrated for a manwho wrote that, oh, Some of
them are audiobooks, Some arepaper books or books sorry,
Shrinking on schedule.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
the social function, the Magic and Abilities
Collection, volume 8, LateNight's Size Club inside of.
Ruan Willow.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
What is OK, hold on.
What is Late Night's Size Club?

Speaker 6 (15:59):
OK, so I narrate for a woman who writes Size Erotica,
which is Macrophilia, andMicrophilia, which is the growth
and shrinking of people, and sothis is a first book.
I narrated for her Late NightSize Club and I laughed so hard
when I first read it, becausewhat happens is people grow into
giantesses or goddesses andthey have sex, they fuck, and

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then sometimes people shrinkdown and become a human dildo
and sometimes so it's.
All these crazy things happen.
So this story was so funbecause you have been holding
out Ruan.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
What Wait?
So somebody shrinks down andthey become the size of a penis,
and then and then people usethem as a penis.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Yes, and so these are .
This is the.
This is Amber Collins.
So if you look up Amber Collinson Amazon, you will find so
much fucking content.
This woman writes so mucherotica and it's sometimes it's
Femme Dom, where it's thegoddess is big and just using
the man.
There are sometimes where thewoman gets big and can give an

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easy blow job.
I mean, she just goes all overthe place.
So it's kind of like fantasy,sci-fi, erotica and she just
does all these different thingsand I've narrated a very amount
of books for her.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
It's really fun.
On Goodreads it says it's byyou, but it's not by you.
It's just sometimes read by youthere are.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Some of them are audio books that I narrated Yep
by other authors, and then otherones are mine, and I don't have
them all on there because youactually have to manually add
them to Goodreads which reallysucks because it takes time and
so I don't have them all onthere.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
But bless Goodreads, bless it.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I wish it was automatic, ok, so you read, you
narrated this story and it'sjust about people all of a
sudden becoming large and havinglarge sex together or becoming
small and having small sextogether.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
Right, and sometimes one's getting big and one's
getting small, so like, forinstance I'll give an example of
this One of the ones I just didis a three women story and they
take this potion and they wantto shrink down and go inside
this dollhouse and they do allkinds of kinky stuff in the
dollhouse and then they grow bigagain.
Another one is the women go toParis and they're paid by some

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benefactor and they have todrink this potion and they have
to turn into giant tessus which,like, they're like 300 feet
tall, and they destroy Paris andthen I'll do a spoiler, because
it's really fucking funny Thenthey go to the Eiffel Tower and
it's their dildo you know stufflike that.
Oh she goes.
Her mind is just she has allthis crazy stuff and sometimes
it's really like really femdom,like cruel, and sometimes it's

(18:23):
not.
She does women, women, women onwomen.
She does men and women, shedoes multiples.
Sometimes it's very sciencey,sometimes it's just less
sciencey, but she's, I thinkshe's written.
What did she say?
I think she has over a millionwords on Amazon.
Wow Of her right, she has a lotof content.
I mean, if you scroll throughher on Amazon, so much content.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Are there other weird ?
I'm sorry it's not weird.
Are there other I just want tohear?
I feel like you probably have aletter of kinks that you've
written about or narrated about,and I'm just trying to figure
out how to ask the rightquestion.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
What's the most nuanced?
Or like, yeah, obscure one,obscure.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Obscure?
How would you define obscure?
I'm trying to think of how Iwould put that in Confusing or
like people that like bellybuttons, for example, maybe
Littleest amount of people whoknow about Got it Okay.
A lot of people don't know aboutthe size of erotica, but
there's a huge following of itout there, so that's probably, I
would say, those books are.

(19:22):
Probably the most lesswell-known kinks Are the.
You know, she does a lot ofthings with feet too, like
people who like feet.
I guess that those wouldprobably be the ones that would
fit that category.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Okay, are there any more?
Are there common kinks that youwrite about a lot frequently?
Like you talked about Dom andsub relationships, what about
like Shibari or Rope Play orNeedle Play?
I have not done much of that.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
But I might be doing it in the next book.
I just actually justinterviewed the two men that
narrated with me and I askedthem what they thought what I
should put in the next book, andone of them said Rope or
suspension sensation by an edge.
You know, doing edge play with,which is just as interesting.
I never even heard this before.
He was talking about usingwooden knives to remove wax off

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of people, and I would neverhave heard of that.
Wait, that's a king.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yes, and so like there's you drew wax on people.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
You've never heard this before.
Yes, so actually on Amazon theysell low heat candles that you
can use you should always uselow heat candles and you get wax
and you pour it on people andit's a sensation play.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
And then you'd scrape it off with the wooden knives.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
That's the new part I'd ever heard about before.
And he told me there's thiscompany that now makes wooden
knives for sex play and one ofthe things you do is, yeah, just
to remove the wax, the driedwax, off of the person.
So it's a sensation playbecause it's hot, but it's not
as hot as a regular candle.
That's why you gotta use thelow heat candles and they sell
it.
They actually sell them onAmazon.

(20:52):
Don't mind me, just bring it upright now.
I find out about so many kinkstoo, because I just guess I have
on and things I've narrated andjust wooden knives.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
The specificity of wooden knives is weird.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
I know this man's really into knives and knife
play and that kind of stuff, andso he said that people who make
these take like I don't knowwhat, do you say Three to four
hours to make a whittle andknife, and then they have to
treat it so that it is okay touse on the skin.
But he said it's like a littlebit less dangerous but he'll
even use regular knives so he'snot afraid of that kind of stuff
.
But it's a little bit saferwith a wooden knife.

(21:25):
I think, you can't heal somebody, obviously with a wooden knife.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Everybody who uses this.
Don't use real knives.
Don't do it.
Use a wooden knife, please.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Unless you also like blood play, blood and wax play,
which I'm sure there's a kingfor.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Unless you're into knife play already.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Unless you're getting consent and you've talked to
your doctor in medical healthcare professional A whole
checklist.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, there we go, we covered it we covered the bases
, yeah, and you have not writtenabout handles and wooden knives
, or you have.
I'm sorry, but we covered for awhole other topic.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
I have not he suggested that, like when I said
what do you think I should putin the next book, Cause they
know they're all excited for thenext book and I'll probably
have them narrate with me again.
But so yeah, that was one ofthe things he suggested and I
think it's just cause he's juststarting to get into that
himself.
He does do rope too, but he'sslowly getting into that.
But he does a lot of pretty.
I mean, he'll like even do likeblood play.
So and I don't know that Icould ever write that, because

(22:15):
I've never done that.
That seems like a hard one towrite if you've never done such
a thing.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I bet you could.
I believe in you.
You just need to talk tosomebody who is Tosen likes it.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
So what's your writing process Like?
Do you have, like I, from the?
Are you a strict writer, likefrom the hours of 6 am to 9 am I
write for three, or are youlike, as inspiration hits you,
you like run over to your laptopand start writing?
A little bit of both?

Speaker 6 (22:38):
A little bit of both.
Yeah, right now I feel like theaudio is kind of taking over,
because I have the podcast andthen just a lot of audio books
and audio books.
You make a lot of money onaudio books more than you do on
ebooks and paperback, ebook orthe least amount.
You make the least amount ofmoney on those.
So I've been kind of focusingon that a little bit.
So when I do write, I'm writingless right now, which I don't

(23:02):
like.
But I am writing a new book andI'm writing in a way I've never
written before, so that'sreally interesting to me too.
So I kind of have done alldifferent things.
I sit down and with an idea inmind, sometimes I just have
characters in mind, and thistime, right now, I'm writing a
book called Neighborhood SexSecrets, and I've never written
a book this way.
I'm writing it not inchronological order for the

(23:23):
first time ever.
Normally I write straightchronological, but this time I'm
writing, I've written.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
You start with the breakup sex and then you end
with getting to know you sex.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
I've written, I think , four or five sex scenes and
one non-sex scene, and so it'snot.
The sex scenes are kind ofchronological because they'll
fit, like in that order in abook, but I have to fill in the
story in between those sexscenes right now.
So, and I've never written abook this way before, so it's
quite an experience.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Wait, I'm sorry, did you just say you have to fill?
You have to fill in the storybetween the sex scenes.
So you wrote all the sex scenesand you're like how do I put
them together?
I've written you basically atedessert, first ruin.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
I did, I did yes, and I'm gonna have more dessert
before it's over.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, hell yeah.
So this is for a ceremony andfor you ruin.
I'm curious as a consumer oferotica ceremony, what is it you
find is missing often inerotica, if anything?
And same for you ruin.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
I personally, as only a consumer, I feel like there's
so many because of therevolution of having like
e-books, being able to publish.
There's so much more out therethat you can find, and so you
can find like your straight upsmut which is just like I just
want really good banging writtenreally like sexy, steamy stuff.
I personally really love whenyou can find the area in between

(24:46):
the smutty, smut and the likebeautiful, heart-rending story.
But it really depends on whatmood I'm in.
Like if I wanna get reallystressed out, I'll read like
some Sira Simone or some PamGodwin.
But if I wanna just like have anice vacation time, I've got
other writers that I'm like oh,that's nice, and we just have a
pleasant time where nothingangsty happens.

(25:06):
Just sex yeah sometimes, orsometimes you can read like a
novel with like really good sexscenes in it, depending on the
writer and the style and thestory.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Are those?
Are they all considered erotica?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, for the.
For the most part they're inthe romance slash erotica, I
think.
Anytime the sex is reallydescriptive, they they mark it
as erotica, even if it's romancefirst or urban fantasy first,
if it's got sexy sex.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
They're like oh, erotic urban fantasy or whatever
.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Personally, I find it hard to find really good
vampire erotica writers.
But when I do find them I'mlike yeah, that's real good, and
when they're bad, I get you.
You've talked to me on ourother podcast.
I get a rationally mad at badvampire lore?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, you do.
And what about you, rowan?
Do you feel like there'sanything missing from the erotic
industry at large as far aslike how it's written or how sex
is written?

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Well, I totally agree with her.
It's it.
There's a huge gradient and soyou've got, you know, you've got
smut on one end and then you'vegot kind of erotica and then
you've got erotic romance, andthen you keep on going up the
gradient.
You're going to get to romance,and some of the romance stories
may have like one sex scene inthe entire book and so they're
probably going to be morecategorized as romance.
So it's kind of more of agradient.

(26:14):
So it's kind of hard to saywhat's missing, other than maybe
enough on a particular topic.
I could see how you knowthere's not a lot of.
I was talking about this withan author who writes fantasy
like the oh, what is that?
Called Omegaverse.
You know what that is?
Okay, it's kind of like fantasy, erotica.
But her and I were talkingabout this.
I just interviewed her for thepodcast.
It hasn't gone live yet, butshe writes characters in middle

(26:35):
age and her point was therearen't a lot of, and this is
true.
And then this is why I alsowrite characters in middle age.
There isn't a lot of eroticawhere the characters are middle
aged.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
It's a lot of young people.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
They're young, they're 20s, and you know her
and I were talking about thathow interesting it is, how
they're having these youngpeople acting like they have all
this life experience, likethey're 40, you know, 30, 40, 50
years old, and so it doesn'treally fit.
I'm like we're actually good atsex, right Like they actually
know what they're talking aboutand then so it is interesting.
So she has a lot of people whoreally like her books because

(27:08):
her characters are middle,middle aged, and so I think
that's a hole in the market thatthere needs to be more of that.
I do feel like there isn't awhole lot of milk stories or
some is getting better, butthat's an area that I think can
grow to.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm surprised because this is also what I was trying
to get at.
Born is largely done throughthe the male gaze.
It's very geared towards whatmen want to see and I feel like
when I understand many eroticaromance novel writers are email.
I have yet to meet anybody whois a man who says he writes
erotica.

(27:41):
I've met maybe like half of aperson.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
I know some, but but I'm in that, you know I'm in
that genre, so I know I know menwho do write it and can write
it well.
But you're right, more women,it's definitely more printed,
more dominated by women.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
So I'm wondering if, then, that the sex and romance
novels is more through thefemale gaze and sex as women
would see it, and then if andthen men probably don't read it
because they're like the sex isterrible, there's no pounding,
there's no, I think.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
I think you know it depends on the dude, but the
investment of imagination andfocus in a in an erotic novel,
is just different.
Right, like, I got to readwords and think about them and
imagine them, which for for meis part of the appeal, because
my, my first erotic zone is mybrain, right, my first erotic
zone is my kneecap.
That makes sense.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Is is them?
Is there a way to speculate orlike to gauge audiences?
Like would you say that themajority of readers are female
or erotica Cause?
I feel like I don't know men,and maybe they just don't tell
me.
I just don't know any that readerotica.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
I do know some, cause I have readers who are men, but
of course I think that thereare a lot of.
It is predominantly more women,but a lot of people like
erotica because, like you said,you can immerse yourself more in
the story.
It's not meant to you like itis through a movie or porn.
You know there isn't muchleeway, you know you're, you can
be immersed into a story.
You can imagine what they looklike.
And you're looking at porn, youknow what they look like.

(29:04):
You can't be like oh no, she'snot wander.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know, I mean.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
I mean you could try, but that's like a big effort,
you know.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
I was just going to say.
My imagination is the cameraright, so I get to put it
anywhere I want to, and I'm alsoinside of the experience and
the way that the writerdescribes the experiences.
So can be so beautiful and sointeresting and also fucking
hilarious, like the differentways that people have found to
name plunging genuses anddropping vaginas.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Whatever Members quivering members.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
I'm not.
I'm not a writer.
Like thrusting potatoes andundulating non-chose.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
No, I'm hungry.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
I think I'm just hungry Next in food.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
I tried to write an erotic novel once with a friend.
We tag teamed in.
It was a guy I'm going to tellyou the premise, because I still
think the premise is great.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Do you have it Read it?
I do have it.
Find it Read it.
It's too long to read.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
It's also too bad.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Nobody would want to Break me a snippet of your
terrible, or rather cheesy I'mjust going to tell you what it's
about.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, nobody steal this, it's mine.
Okay, doctor, do you need meaudience?
It's mine.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Rowan, please steal this and do it better, Rowan you
can steal it.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
You can steal it.
You can hear it.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I'll have a poem at the end of the episode Okay, so
the book is called foreign, okay, and the premise is that earth
is the red light district of theuniverse, and so I'm on the
fucking board.
And so aliens come from allaround through this like portal
in an alley somewhere tobasically fuck humans, because
we're so slutty and easy.

(30:33):
So so all these different crazyaliens end up on earth and
there's these clubs around thatif you're in the know, you can
find these clubs and you can getinto them, you can say the
password or wherever, and it'sjust like a mix of aliens and
people.
Sometimes the people don't know, sometimes they do, sometimes
they want to have sex with crazyaliens.
So the sex scenes are all likehumans having sex with like all

(30:55):
these different aliens and allthe different ways aliens have
sex and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Oh my gosh, there's such an audience for this there
is For sure Audience for thatSuch a good premise.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
We wrote the whole thing.
We even took like an excursion,like a trip to Mexico to do
nothing other than like sitthere and write it, and we did
it oh nice.
And neither of us are novelwriters, right.
So we did it and then we wenthome and then we put it down for
a while and we picked it up andwe read it again and we were
like, wow, this is bad, oh no.
This is very bad Whoops.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
And there was some story that wove it together.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
That's pretty good it was like two people who were
like trying to figure out likewhat was happening and why it
was happening and kind of shutit down because there were bad
aliens and they were good aliensand they were trying to get rid
of the bad aliens and they havea friend of one another alien.
That was there trying to likeshut down the bad aliens or
something I can't remember.
But basically human and aliensex is what was happening.
And then we really wanted towrite a sequel and the sequel

(31:49):
was going to be called it.
Just based on titles.
We wanted to write a sequelDomestic.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
No, it was called, it was called Black Hole.
Oh my goodness, casey, removeall the like plot parts, just
release it as short story sex.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
As humans with aliens , Human sex.
I thought about doing that.
I was like well, let's justextract the sex recorder and do
like, oh, that's a good idea.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Give us some Patreon content.
There you go.
That's what I'm going to turnit into.
Call the second.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Domestic, if you must have a through line for it.
Just make it like one personwho has arrested all these
people and they're gettingevidence.
So it's just like back to back.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Recanting their stories.
I see, I see.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, I like this.
All right, it's happening.
It's happening.
I'm starting it up again.
I'm starting the business upagain.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
And then later there can be like a like, a like a
drug smuggling ring or somethingBananas that like brings it all
together?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Who cares?
No one cares.
Well, they all end up havingsex together.
So it's.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
The very very like the alien story is so hot that
the We've all been talking about.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
We haven't asked the professional ruin.
Is this a good idea or a badidea?

Speaker 6 (32:50):
I think it sounds like a great idea.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Yes, it's approved.
Writer approved.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Writer approved.
Also fun fact, my sister-in-lawis Helen Hogan.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Oh, cool yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
She's married to my brother.
I don't know what she wasthinking.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
The kids together and everything.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow,
wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow,wow, wow Wow.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Does he?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
look like you, but a boy no, he's more masculine.
Well, yeah, but Right.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
He looks like really good looking.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
No, no, no, I'm sorry .

Speaker 2 (33:24):
You can't just turn me into a boy and have my
brother.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
You have to take.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You have to.
You have to turn me into a boyand then turn this testosterone
up to 150.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I like he's?
Is that more hair and sweatieryeah?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Is it jawline?
Is it muscle hair?
It's brow ridges.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
It's like six foot something.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
He's a giant human.
He's not fat or weight oranything.
He's just like a giant, Like hecould do the macrophilia,
microphilia.
I think he's just a huge person.
Why haven't I?

Speaker 4 (33:52):
seen a picture of him .

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Why is there not a poster?

Speaker 4 (33:55):
up in my bedroom, because if there's a boy version
of you with more testosterone,because my crush on you is
already like really substantialfor like two on the Kinsey scale
.
It's weird, right.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Doesn't make any sense.
I'll climb the other Sammy tree.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, amazing.
I'll let him know, I'll sendhim a snippet.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Ruin, I want you to judge me.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Oh yeah, play a poem please let's judge Tozen.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I'm gonna send you the link so you can read the
words as we go.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Are you gonna say it out loud Tozen, Are you gonna
play it?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I can play it or say it, whatever you prefer.
I'll send you the link so youcan read the words as we go.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I can taste it, looking into your eyes, how bad
you want me Copy to paste in.
And let's face it.
We've tiptoed around it and nowwe're sprinting, trying to
chase memories of how good myhands around your waist is, how
good your hips grinding into myfaces.

(35:03):
We've done our best, trying toerase it, trying to hide our
hearts, racing, trying to paceit.
But now the race is reachingits finish line.
Resolve is broken and it'sfinally time.
And you have a look in youreyes that says you're taking the
reins and I'm happy to givethem to you.

(35:26):
Simple and plain.
You stand in front of me andtell me to order you from top to
bottom, and I do so withreverence, patience and
deference.
Soaking in every inch of yourskin is my fingertips.
Slide from neck to shoulder,spine to hips, watching as you

(35:46):
stare at me, hungry, biting yourlips.
I slide to your thighs and downto your toes and step back to
watch as you glean my heartbeating in my chest and my pants
bursting at the seams.
And then, as if you were inhands of my dreams, you strip me
of my clothes and lie me on thebed, slide your perfect body

(36:11):
over me and I can feel you hardagainst my chest, grabbing me by
the shoulders.
From my lips escape, yes,please.
You tell me to bend over so youcan show me what belongs to you
and your right.
It belongs to you.

(36:33):
The moment your tongue touchesmy whole, I'm buried,
resurrected, reborn and madewhole.
Breathing becomes unnecessaryfor your need is my respiration
Fuck, you feel so good Leaves mylips without hesitation and in
my mind I'm begging.
But you tease me.

(36:53):
I'm shaking with anticipation.
Your mouth is taking me on ajourney while your fingers find
their destination and I crumblewith pleasure as they make the
entrance.
And if the quaking isn't enoughindication, you hear me say how
can you feel this good?

(37:16):
And then I finally feel thepenetration and I'm consumed by
your need as you let freeeverything you've been hiding
and holding, while your handsare on my back and I'm grunting
and moaning, hips meeting yours,hungry and groaning.
I'm out of your neck.
Feel so good, keep going, keepgoing.

(37:39):
And you keep going and going,taking you in until you're
satisfied, till you have yourfill and your whole body is
gratified.
I'm mystified, starry eyed,drowning and mesmerized, and I
turn to the side so I can seethe hunger in your eyes, time

(38:02):
stops and you plung into me hardone more time and both our
dreams are realized, as weexplode into an onto each other
and we lay there holding eachother as we return to reality,
gather our faculties and burnthis moment into our memories

(38:24):
and steadily and passionatelyhold each other.
And I sit and I wonder, but notfor long.
I must prepare for another,because I just saw your eyes and

(38:45):
they're still filled withhunger.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
I need a cigarette.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Will you stop sharing your screen?

Speaker 6 (39:11):
Oh, I thought it was delicious.
I am very intense and yummy.
I would definitely give you.
I'm gonna.
I enjoyed it.
I'm gonna give you a 10.
You made ruin giggle.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
I will take that 10.
No notes other than thelowercase.
I am the last paragraph, but no, no, no suggestions, no, I
enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
I enjoyed hearing your voice and I like to close
my eyes and often for me itreally helps me focus.
If I'm reading something, Ialmost immerse myself more if I
close my eyes and not taking inany in any other, you know,
whatever I'm not taking inanything else but your sound.
So that's what I did when I waslistening a good portion of
what you're saying, and it was.
I was definitely immersed and Ienjoyed it.

(39:55):
That was good.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Is that how you prefer to listen to erotica as
well?
Audio books and you just closeyour eyes.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
Yeah, when I'm editing, I often will do that on
some parts, especially if I'mtrying to decide between two
lines of like dialogue.
Easier for me to focus and dealit, I close my eyes while I
listen.
So I often will do that becauseI don't know.
It just helps me focus betterand helps me make a decision
like oh no, that's it, and youknow it.
Just if I do that I'm like ohyeah, that's it, another one's
not, you know.
So which is?

(40:22):
You know what I like to do, youknow, not always with myself,
because I'm listening to myself.
If I don't like the line, I'llredo it, but if I have lines
from somebody else, I'll havethem do a couple versions of it,
of the dialogue, and then I'lloften close my eyes and listen
to them and pick which onesounds some more right.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Nice, do you listen to?
That poem is magnificent.
It is so good it always is.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
It blows me away.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I want to do karaoke to your poems, like you make me
want to like recite your poemsto the music.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Somebody did do that for me.
They they read one of my poems,like how they understood it
because they're also a writerand I was like that was very
insightful.
I appreciated that a lot.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
Amazing how different you can say things, how many
different ways and you guys knowabout being, you know acting.
You can say things so manydifferent ways.
Yeah, you can say so manydifferent things.
It's almost unbelievable.
Do you ever write a?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
consensual non-consent.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
I have not done that but I would like to.
I narrated one that was kind oflike that.
Or Benson Wolf, that one was.
That one was really fun to actout.
I actually have done two forhim like that.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
I mean, I think you know, at some point I probably
will do that.
I don't think I've done it yet.
Is it not your thing?
No, I would be my thing.
I would definitely write aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And here's a hard hitting question in erotica it
doesn't have.
It doesn't have to beconsensual non-consent, right,
it can just mean non-consent.

Speaker 6 (41:36):
You do have to be careful because some platforms
will not allow certain content,so you really do have to be
careful with that.
I know people who have pushedit too far and they get kicked
off the platform and they can nolonger sell on that platform.
So you really do actually haveto be a little careful.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So does that mean within the story the two, the
characters, have to consent toconsensual non-consent within
the story?
It can't just be like anon-consent story that everybody
consensually reads.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
Yeah, like if it's any, if it is rape, like, you
often will get it kicked off,and so there has to be something
where I think that is one ofthe categories that most
platforms will not allow if itseems like rape.
So there has to be some sort ofconsent, or you know indicating
yes, this is what I want.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, that's like the issue with, like certain
platforms not, are takingtrigger words off of, even in
like the spanking community,like caning and paddling and
words like that, which, becausespanking is, especially if it's
done in like a disciplinarymanner, it's technically a form
of consensual non-consent, it'syou're saying things like no,
don't stop out, which you alsolike to say those because you're

(42:44):
not saying the word read, whichmeans stop right now, truly,
and so I think, instead of themunderstanding that and taking
the right precautions and havingpeople sign stuff, they just
the best way to do it for themis just take it off completely,
which is crazy to me, becauseit's still okay to gang bang on
those sites which is so gnarlyto me.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Well, that and like there's so much rape on TV.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
I know, I know there's just a different lens on
erotica and what drives mecrazy is that you know anything
can be advertised on Amazon.
You can buy ads for murder, forpsychotic killers, they can.
You can sell ads for bookserotica you can't.
They will not let us buy ads toadvertise our books because it
has sex in it and I'm alwayslike how can you, how can you

(43:29):
condone people who are doingthat for serial killers?
and we can't advertise a bookabout the natural act of sex.
It's so fucked up, it'sridiculous, isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
yeah, because you can take your end what I mean?
We'll just add the list offucked up things that shouldn't
be when it comes to sex.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
And you know what's so dumb about it is.
You can funnel it into people.
You can funnel people can checka box I don't want to see
explicit ads.
You can funnel it to people whoonly purchase erotica, but they
will not do it.
They will not let us.
If you try to put an ad or anerotic book on Amazon, it will
block you and they say nope,your book has sex in it, too
much sex.
You can't make an ad, wow.
So how do you market your stuff?

(44:08):
Well, a lot of it is socialmedia and developing fans, a fan
base, and my podcast is anotherway that I collect people as
well, if people are interested.
But yeah, you kind of have to.
You know you got to work reallyharder than all the other
authors in the world becausethey can all advertise and we
can't.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, I feel like there's a huge, huge well of
people looking for erotica,though, and that's why Amazon,
despite the fact that they don'twant to advertise it, there's
just like they'll sell it,they'll sell it and there's a
huge category of, like thecraziest shit, like you know,
people fucking dinosaurs.
That was a thing for a whilewith, like the t-rex.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
I read a whole dragon situation by someone a weirdly
written by a dude.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
Wow, okay, wait wait wait, wait, wait, the dragon.
Someone, someone hasintercourse with a dragon.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, and someone has intercourse with a T-Rex.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
To be fair, these dragons could transform into
dragons and then back into menshaped dragons.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
That makes sense.
I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
That seems painful and impossible, but I'm sure
that that is out there, like ifwe can think of it.
Someone has written an eroticbook.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
Oh, that's so true, Originally you got the dragon
today.
Tenicles.
Tenicles are a big thing, mmhmm, yeah, let's.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Let's not even get into the hentai of it all,
because that's, that's a wholedifferent.
Oh, yes, well the what.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
What's sorry, what is that?

Speaker 4 (45:23):
It's a form of manga that's sex jewel, so sexy
cartoons, tentacle monsters,anime, things like that.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Oh, but not all anime .
There's just anime that doesthat, or is all anime a form of?

Speaker 4 (45:35):
that no, no, no, it's a.
So Hentai is porn anime.
Yeah, hentai is porn anime,that's the better way to say it
Porn anime.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
OK, yeah, so there was like this rumor on the
street for a while that writingerotica was like a really easy,
quick way to make like $40,000.
Right, was that ever true?
Is that true now?

Speaker 6 (45:51):
No, it's very difficult to earn money and you
know, for me the audio is whatreally is a big portion of it
for me.
But yeah, it's, it's verydifficult to and, like I said,
ebooks are the cheapest thing tobuy.
But you know, you might make adollar on a book.
That's not very much.
No for ebooks you don't makevery much paperback in audio
books.
You do audio books.
You almost make the most off ofaudiobooks.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
That's so good to know, because a lot of like I
buy most of my stuff off ofKindle or off of Amazon, and I
always want to make sure myfavorite erotic writers who are
like they have a lower fan base.
I always want to make sure thatthey're getting the most money
that I can give them.
So now I'm just going to buyall of their audio books, audio
books and paperback or hardbackor hardcover.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
They're going to make the most money.
On those ebooks they don't makea whole lot of money at all.
It's maybe a dollar or two,depending on how long the book
is.
You know, maybe five bucks abook.
That would be the max if it's areally long book.
But Amazon really controls ithow much you can sell a book or
based on the size, and also ifyou're going to sell it
exclusively with them, there'sdifferent rules.
You can get more money fromeach book if you only sell it

(46:52):
with them exclusively, but thenyou can't offer it anywhere else
, and that's for like sevenyears.
So you can't just decide all ofa sudden?
oh, because you have to decideup front where am I going to
sell this?
Am I going to sell it wide oram I going to sell it only on
Amazon?
You're going to make the mostmoney if you only sell it on
Amazon, right.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
So that is true.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Evil.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
If I use my audible credit, do you still get paid?

Speaker 6 (47:12):
Yes, and I still have to figure that out.
But yes, we still do get paid,but I still need to figure that
out because it's so hard tofigure out their whole payment
system because there's so manydifferent ways.
So, yes, you do.
I just don't know if it's thesame as if you buy outright by
the book, but we do get paid.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
You let me know and I will supplement whatever my
audible credit didn't get you.
I bought the oral kit.
Oh, did you?

Speaker 6 (47:33):
Yay, and I have, and I'm always giving them away too
because I want, I need reviews.
So that's the one nice thingthat Amazon does is they give
you almost unlimited books togive away audio books to try and
get more reviews, becausethey're really trying to grow as
an audio book platform.
So all of those books.
If anybody wants one, I havecodes to get them for free, so
amazing.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
That book is autobiographical Is it.
It's the interracial couplewith the man who was eating
pussy, but that's it.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
Oh yeah, that's what it is about.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
That is his name, tosen, just call me Malcolm now,
okay, so so is it quantity over?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
quality Sometimes, like the way people are
successful as erotica is, theyjust keep shoving out book after
book after book after bookafter book with smut scenes, and
it's not necessarily the bestwriting, but since they're so
prolific it ends up gettingpurchased.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
That is what a lot.
When I first started, that'swhat people were telling me.
They're like if you get as manyas you can get out there is
better, because then there'smore for people to buy.
And you know, people would sayfor some people it's 10 books,
for some people it's 20 books,for some people is 30 books.
It's different for everyone,but volume does matter.
And so these people who maybeput out one book and quit, don't

(48:41):
do that.
You need to keep going.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
You can't stop, you can't just quit after foreign.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Right, you got to write black hole.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
You got to write men in black for the red light
district In domestic.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
Okay, america's gonna have to get on board with
consensual non-consent for thisplace to be in the red light
district, though I know.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I have a question of a process question, though.
One of the things that I thinkabout a lot with writing erotica
is there's like all types oflayers explicitly saying
something like there's adifference and sorry if this was
brought up when I was gone, butlike there's a difference
between like shove my dick inyou and you know, approach with
my quaking member as I enter thesacred garden.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
My hot potato.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
That's like more floral yeah.
That's like more flowerywriting, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
And how do you, how do you go about picking what you
write, cause I read eroticathat like does it in, like all
forms of spectrum, all its formsof spectrum.
And so what?
How do you, how do you decidehow flowery or pornographic or
explicit you're going to bedescribing sex For?

Speaker 6 (49:42):
me.
It's kind of like more if I'mif I feel like I'm writing more
of a smut story or if I'mwriting more of an erotic
romance.
That kind of makes it different.
But one of the things on one ofthe great compliments I
received, I've written fourstories for frolic meat.
I don't know if you've heard ofthat.
It's an ethical porn site andthey so they have.
They have ethical porn.
They have really beautifulfilms and then they have stories

(50:02):
that go along with it and I'vewritten four for them.
And one of the things thateditor said to me was she says I
love how you write elegantlyand then you just get nasty.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
So like there's this combination of like.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
She's like just have this like.
And she said there's a fewwriters we have and you're one
of them that can do that.
Or you just write just thisreally elegant, and then all of
a sudden you just get it raunchyand it's just.
It's just kind of she likes themix of it, in other words.
So I guess for me, yeah, itdepends on where I'm going with
the stories.
It's going to be more smuttystories, it's going to be more
erotic romance.
That's going to change maybehow I write about it, but I'm

(50:34):
still going to be very, stillgoing to be explicit.
I'm not one of those peoplewhere, like, I'm not going to
tiptoe around it, it's fucking,it's sex, it's I'm going to use
words, I'm not going to be likeany put is.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I'm not going to tiptoe Rubbing members.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
Member in my flower.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Member, you say cock and pussy.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
I say cock and pussy, mmm, and even cunt, absolutely.
It's a good word.
Fuck is my favorite word.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
Well, particularly cuntie.
I have a necklace that sayscuntie Nice.
We're like we're like the onlycountry that that word is like
so offensive, Like they saynobody's business in England.
Like, like, like.
When people say bitch, that'sthe same thing for cunt.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
It's just a better word than vagina.
I used to say the word cunt forso long until I was in college
and there was a friend of minewho was like it was her life's
mission to make me say it.
And so the first time that Iever said the word.
I was whispering it into herear.
Forever stands out of my headis like that was a hot day.
That was a hot day.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
That was a sexy, sexy day.
Yeah, Cause she like pulled myhead to her ear and be like you
don't want to say it out loud.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
You just whispered in my ear but you're going to say
it.
I'm like, well, it looks likeI'm going to say it.
I don't really ever use itsexually.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
I'm always like, oh, she's so cunty or that is cunty.
Yeah, that's how I say it.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Or I'm a real cunt.
Yes, it's a fun word, I likethat word.

Speaker 6 (51:59):
You said a fun word.
Fuck my contest.
Pretty good too.
Powerful it's, powerfulsounding it is, isn't?

Speaker 4 (52:04):
it.
Do you have any advice foranybody who wants to get started
with erotica?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yes, Don't stop, don't give up.
Like I said just, you've got tokeep going, and you're really
good at it.

Speaker 6 (52:13):
Don't stop, don't give up, like I said.
Just, you've got to keep goingand your writing is going to
change.
Don't ever stop reading either,because reading will give you
ideas.
It will broaden your ownwriting.
Every time I read something, itaffects my writing a little bit
.
So read and write and don'tstop.
And don't listen to bad reviews.
Not everyone is going to likeyou.
That's okay.
Expect that, you know.

(52:34):
If you expect it, then you'renot going to be so crushed by it
.
You know and I think about myown self I don't love everything
I write.
I've read books by very famousauthors that I didn't like.
People take it so personallyand it needs to not do that,
because not everyone's going tolike us.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Oh my gosh, I love a lot of true facts.
I don't need to.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Who are some of your favorite erotic or romance
writers?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Me, corinne.
She loves it.
She can't wait to read it.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
I read a lot of my peers because you know, we do a
lot of like promotions togetherand so I end up like getting
free copies of their books orpeople ask me to read things.
So I write a lot, read a lot ofstories of not not like people
more that aren't like hugeauthors.
You know what I mean.
They're like more middle, youknow?
So I guess that's so.
It's probably they're not realwell known, but they're just

(53:21):
amazing.
It doesn't mean that they'reany less, they're totally
amazing.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Okay, then what's your favorite erotic book like
of all time?
I know that's a big, that's abig stupid question I know
that's a really hard one theBible.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
Oh, you know how much sex is in the Bible?
That's what I think is so crazy.
I do.
People that are like there's somuch sex in the Bible.
It's crazy, Yep.
And it's all rapey.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
I know right.
So much of it is.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
It is, and there's people you know, multiple wives
and oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yep, do you have a favorite erotica book?
Your Holy?

Speaker 6 (53:54):
Grail of Erotica.
I am really struggling to thinkof one.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Or like one that you have like reread and reread.
That comes to mind.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
I generally don't reread, because I'm always
reading so much that I never, goback and reread.
I like Lacey Cross.
She's like a peer of mine.
I like Benson Wolf.
I've narrated for him a coupleof books, three books actually.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
I guess I kind of read authors that are in my like
group, my writers groups.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
I do outside of that.
That's really cool.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
That is really cool, Samrie.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
Samrie, do you have one that you go back and read?
I'm only asking because I don'tread erotica and I've read
erotica short stories, becausethere's not loads of great
erotica for spanking out there,and there are some I've gone
back and read multiple times iswould there be a novel that you
would go back and read multipletimes and erotica?

Speaker 4 (54:41):
It depends, it just depends on what I'm in the mood
for, especially when you find abook that ticks all of the boxes
.
The boxes Right you go back andreread that book.
Joey Hill has written the besterotic vampire novels, in my
opinion.
Oh nice, and I personallyreally love Cressley Cole for

(55:03):
her Fated Mate series becausethey're fucking ridiculous.
But I'm real mad at her rightnow because she ghosted her fan
base for a few years oh bummer.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I know.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Brutal, like I think she's finally coming out of it,
but I'm still still like youcan't fucking like tell us any,
can't be like, hey, I'm takingnothing, like just to not even
say anything.
Fucking sucks.
And I love her books, but I'mout of her.
But I love her books, but I'mout of her.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
She could at least say I'm taking a break, or I'm
writing something else right now, or I'll be back.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Yeah, I think that she went through the shit in
some, in some regard, and islike an off grid sort of person,
but still poo, poo, poo, poopoo.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, fantastic.
I have a little dime update Ican get if anybody's interested.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Oh nah, oh no.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Two things.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
First one is Casey, that's four, two things I saw
two different subs this week.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
One is the preacher.
I see him regularly now, priest, preacher, whichever one, I
don't know.
I how do I, how do I put thiswhole on Boo's?
Just chatting with him, but hehad mentioned wanting to meet
everybody in the podcast becausehe is interested.
This is the preacher, Okay, yeah.
And he said and I said well,one of them has some beef with
the church, so I'm not quitesure she'd be interested in
meeting you.
And he said, well.

(56:28):
He said well, if she would liketo take her aggression and
anger out on the church, on me,I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
And then I said, and then I said cause?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
he's cause.
He's a masochist big time.
And I said, but well, she's abottom, I'm not sure that's her
thing.
And he said, well, if she wouldlike to watch somebody
representing the church get theshit kicked out of them.
And I would also offer that,saying that I would destroy him
for her pleasure I thought thatwas just singing great.
And then so there's this othersub I've seen a couple of times,

(56:58):
who's lovely and a musician,and I may have mentioned him
before.
Maybe he came over and heplayed the music for me on my
birthday.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Violin, violin person .

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, the violin player.
He came back over specificallyfor Dom sub time and I saw him
once and forgive me everybody ifI'm repeating myself, I can't
remember if I told the story.
He came over the first time andhe is not a masochist and he's
not super into pain, but theresponse I get a lot from people
is I'm not into these things,but for some reason with you, I
want to do it.
I don't know if that's just lipservice or what, but it is

(57:30):
happens regularly.
So he came over, he played memusic and then I gave him his
first spanking, of which he didvery well, and even at the end
was like I think oh yeah, maybeI did stop by this, but he said
I have some more.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Please, dom, may I have some more?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
May I have a little more tidbits of this spanking.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Again this week.
He specifically for somethingdifferent, so he has.
He had this.
We don't know what material itis.
It was a silicon ring, butthere was like three.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Then it was made of silicon.
What?

Speaker 5 (58:06):
You said you didn't?

Speaker 4 (58:07):
you didn't know what material it was, and then he
said it was a silicone thing.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
You know what you can .
You can shut the fuck up.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
You missed me in this box.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
I missed you.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
It was a silicone ring.
There's three of them, but theywere attached.
It was for yeah, but bigger,not that our audience can see
that it was.
It was like I don't know howbig that is.
Any guesses?
Golf ball, golf ball.
No, it did not look like that.
It's literally just a stretchymaterial and it's for penises
and testicles and you put itaround the balls or in the test
in the penis and any, becausethere's three of them attached.

(58:39):
You can do it in any way.
He took all this was his toy.
He got for another doll, butthe doll um disappeared so he
never got to use it.
So he brought it up to my house.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Wait, is this a cock ring?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
you're talking about.
No, I mean it goes around theballs, oh it goes around the
balls, cockrings and thewhatever.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Okay, perhaps then I'm talking about a cock ring.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I don't know, I just work here people.
Anyways, he brought it over.
It's made of silicone.
It's made of Go back torehearsal Tharmerie.
Bye, no stay.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
How about cock rings, stay, stay.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Um, I make him get naked.
And this is the game.
He gets naked, he puts thesilicone ring around his balls
so they don't run away, becauseballs run away when you try to
hurt them.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
They do they just?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
retract.
They do.
So.
I tell him he has to play theviolin while I crush his balls
and if he makes a mistake whileplaying then he's going to get a
punishment, a spankingpunishment.
If he succeeds at playingwithout mistakes while I'm
crushing his balls, he'll get apunishment.
This is the most fun I've haddawning ever.

(59:41):
Okay, so this guy reallyaccomplished violin player.
His violin is like $25,000.
Wow.
He carts that shit over to myhouse, he pulls it out, he takes
off his clothes.
He's never played the violinnaked before.
I was like welcome to SpankHouse.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
No, you do.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
He starts playing and I take my hand and I grab his
balls and I start squeezingwhile he's playing this I don't
know Beethoven or something, Idon't even know what it was, it
was beautiful and I twist and Ipull and I crush and I see it on
his face that it isuncomfortable and it is painful.
And he starts squinting hiseyes and I take my nails and I
jow it into his testicles.

(01:00:16):
He starts making noises.
He's like oh, but he is stillnailing it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
I am, I am impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I am maniacally laughing because I didn't know
that this game was the best gameever invented.
Like I invented the most fungame of all time called complete
this task successfully while Icrush your balls.
Any task can go here.
This was a particularly goodtask.
He finished like it's a longpiece because it's classical.
I am crushing his balls thewhole time.

(01:00:48):
I do have some.
I'm like I'm a nice mean Dom,so I don't actually want to hurt
him, but there is.
It is uncomfortable for him andhe plays.
It's so bad that he picks hishead up off the chin rest
sometimes and is like yelling,but playing.
The motherfucker played itperfectly.
Wow.
I am evil, laughing from thefloor Like it's like blowjob
position, but it's not a blowjob, it is the opposite.

(01:01:11):
And and then he's like hefinishes it.
He's like do you want me toplay another one?
And I said yes.
And he said why did I offerthat?

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
And I said because you're, because you're in a
great time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Wow, and he plays another piece.
Motherfucker plays it perfectly.
And he is in pain.
The whole time I was ruthless.
I was squeezing and twistingand pulling.
It was so bad that one of histesticles ran away it escaped.
Through the silicone, the threebands.

(01:01:43):
It ejected itself from thesituation.
I lost it and when he was donehe also lost it.
He was like I don't know whereit went.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Oh, living in Florida yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
How long ago this.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Did it descend?
Yes, it descended.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Okay, it came back.
It came up for air.
I checked it later, don't worry, wait, can that like be bad,
like can they go up and not comeback?

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yeah, if you rupture some like like the vast
difference.
If you rupture something there,it'll, as a safety mechanism,
it'll like retract back into you.
They'll do that just becausethey're like traumatized in any
fashion.
But, it can get stuck.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
Don't, baby, I'm wrong.
Don't drag queens do that onpurpose when they're tucking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Kind of they don't do like the trauma response to get
their balls to retract.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
I didn't think that I just mean they, because I was
always I Googled it, I wasalways curious how they got such
a smooth vagina, looking Barbievagina, and because I
understand where the penis cango.
But I was like, well, whatabout the testicles?
And they said it just said that, the testicles, they just
pushed them up inside their bodyand I was like what?
And then my husband was likeyeah, there's like a canal they
can like hop in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
And I was like, oh, science, they didn't learn that
there's a little kangaroo pocketyou can sit it in.
That's like the most.
That's mostly what's happeningwhen you're sitting.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Sit up, chill up.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
That makes a lot of sense Interesting.
The more you know you love howall the all the females vagina
havers in the room are like ohwe know what that's like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Anyhoo.
So he found his testicle and hegot a punishment.
It consisted of belting and hebought me about the leather one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
It's his but it's mine, you know wait, this is the
guy who didn't like pain.
He bought you a belt, or hewasn't into pain, but now but?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
now he loves it.
Yeah, Cause he's a top.
He's a top normally.
But what you left that?

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
part out.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
But I'm telling you, if Casey can, if he is just the
power of Casey, no.
I know, I know, but the feel ofCasey, the fabric of our lives.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I don't care if it hurts, just just touch me.
I don't care if it hurts, Ijust want.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Casey to have control .
Hey, hey, are you ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
So I belted him all over the back and butt and back
of the thighs and I used awooden hairbrush and this wooden
hairbrush is pretty dense andmean and I use my hand and it
was like he does have a low paintolerance.
So he was.
He did very well.
He didn't get very red.
I left a little bit of a mark.
I wrote my name on his butt mynew favorite thing to do.

(01:04:20):
With a marker yeah With aSharpie, sharpie, yep.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Gotta be the Sharpie Casey's butt.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I write Hecate in Greek.
And then so did I do cane.
I didn't do cane, I just didbelt, brush and hand and I said
and this is the first time I didthis with him, which is it's a
very standard thing foreverybody else so we're going to
do 10 more and you're going tosay, you're going to count and
say thank you, man After eachone.
And I was belting him prettyhard.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Not for some people, but for him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
And he said like I think he made it to two and was
like I don't think I can get to10.
This is the first time I hadsomebody tap out and I was like
okay.
At first I said oh, are you?

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
sure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
And then I said, okay , we're going to go to five
because I can't just let him offthe hook and I can be lighter.
So we went to five and then hefinished up and I I'm sorry that
came out wrong he finishednothing.
We finished up.
He was done counting.
I told them to put his clotheson Give him some back rubs
because I knew this was a lotfor him and it's.
It's so funny about pain.

(01:05:16):
I've discovered, especiallywith spanking and impact is in
the moment you're like this isthe worst thing ever.
I don't know if I can take it,and then it stops and you, you
were like okay, but maybe just alittle bit more Like it is.
Stephanie is nodding her head.
Yes, I think there is like thisfeeling of being a champion
because you survived and youjust feel very proud about it.
But also the pain immediatelydissipates with impact and

(01:05:38):
spanking.
Pretty quickly after the thesession stops right.
So it's it's within a matter of30 seconds that somebody's like
had just said they were doneand then they were like but
maybe we could go a little morewhich is pretty neat.
Um, anyways, that's my, that'smy job.
Update.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Yay, it's a dumb update Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Maybe that can be ammo in some of your, some of
your stories ruined.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
It always helps to hear people's perspectives.
I mean it totally does it.
Just you can't hear thosethings and not have an impact.
You're writing and I mean, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Do you ever hear?
I'm sure you hear things allthe time and you're like, oh, I
didn't know, people did that.
I guess I'll start writing thatinto my stories.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
Yes, I know, I know I actually interviewed two dimes
to this winter and some of thethings they, some of the kinks
that some people have are justthey told me they're weirdest
kinks they ever they ever had aclient ask for and they're just
very odd, very, very odd.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
I'm going to need some specific.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
Okay, the weirdest one.
One of them, a client, wantedto lick her eyeballs.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Sure Sure.

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
Yeah, and then also one other one.
Lick her eyeballs, like hewanted to come and lick her
eyeballs, oh yeah.
Yeah, and then the other thingwas um, he wanted to touch her
tonsils and that turned him onwith his fingers, with his
fingers, with his fingers.
I think she said no to both ofthose, so many terms.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I know so many inspections, so many germs, the
other dumb, the most interestingone that she's had.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
Most unusual one, I guess, would be the answer for
that is a man who was turned onby blow up toys like for the
pool.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:08):
He wanted to have.
All he wanted was to come andwatch her in you know, bathing
suit play with them and thatturned him on.
I mean, obviously he probablyhad something in his youth that
was like a trigger for this.
Maybe when he was a child, youknow, you know, something
brushed along him or he just gota rouse seeing people who were
playing with them and it becamea kink.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Amazing.
I love people and all theirfacets, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Pool, pool, pool, pool, poole noodles turned me on
.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
What's really 100%.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Oh my God, why?
Because they look like a penisit one of the one of the early
times someone ever touching mymember while I was on a pool
noodle, like they were.
They were pretending to likejack off the pool noodle but
like they were intentionallygetting close to my member.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
Were you sitting on the pool noodle Cause I could
see that too Like if the poolnoodle was moving and you're on
it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Yeah, and I was.
I was straddling the poolnoodle, so it was like
underneath the water and thenthey were like playing with the
top part of it and they keptlike going underwater.
Where?

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
I was at.
I have 30 black pool noodlesand it's a long story, I'll tell
it.
I was making a Halloweendecoration of a spider in my
front yard that I never made,but I bought Haka five and
Amazon sent me 30 and I wasterrified they were going to
charge me for them all becausepool noodles outside of season,
especially like black, likespencers not normal color are
expensive and I called them andI was like I need to send these

(01:08:24):
back.
and they're like no, that's okay, you're not going to get
charged.
And I was like no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I also don't want these 30.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
Cool noodle I need you to take them back, and they
didn't, and they're like you canpay for shipping to send them
back and I was like you'redelusional.
And every year since thenthey're up in my attic.
I'm like oh, I'll, next yearI'll have four spiders in my
front yard and I've never madeanything.
So, kosen, if you need poolnoodles, I got you, that's quite
the story.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
Oh my God, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Does anybody have any last questions Do?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
you have, you talk about, like you write, the
fantasies that are inspired by,inspired by.
You have any, any, any gaps,any holes in there, any
fantasies that haven't beenwritten for you, that you would
like someone to, for noparticular reason at all.

Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
I would like to do some consent, non consent.
I haven't done that yet.
I would like to explore that.
I do like to write a lot ofDom's sub stuff, so that
definitely would fit in withsome of the stuff I've written.
Not that I have, not that Imake myself, you know, follow
certain genres or patterns ortopics, but that would be one
Someday I would like to get intoeven doing like a vampire or

(01:09:30):
like monster erotica.
I think that would be fun to dotoo.
I kind of want to just do itall if I can.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
I'm more like fantasies that you have
personally, if you feelcomfortable sharing oh yes, yes,
well, a lot of the most,everything I've, almost
everything I've written, hasbeen a fantasy at one point or
another.
For me, I would say the consent, non consent, would definitely
be fit in that category, and Idon't know, I kind of want to
try rope, but I kind of don't.
I think suspension would be onethat I would like to try, have

(01:10:00):
not done it and I would like towrite about it, just because
it's kind of like you're tiedbut free at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
It's a bit fun.
You know what I mean.
I'll fly you in there.

Speaker 6 (01:10:09):
I think it would be fun.
I don't know if any of you haveever done suspension with
anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I've always wanted to .

Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
Yeah, it's intriguing , isn't it?
What I think is cool about itis you're tied in but you can
still also move, so it's notlike just strictly rope, because
with rope you're just stuck.
You know what I mean, like youcan still kind of move with
suspension.
I mean, it depends how you doit.
It depends on how you do it.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I have seen some one of my favorite suspensions I've
ever seen, with someone tied toa tree and I was like, oh yeah,
they weren't going anywhere, butthey were like off the ground
and then but yeah, I love it.
I just I just got to the that Ifeel pretty comfortable flying
anybody, and it's like as abigger guy, it's important to me
to be able to like not just tieup the same size people, to
being able to tie up anybody.
One of my partners like hypermobility issues, and so I'm like

(01:10:49):
working on like how because?
that changes the way that youlike support certain things,
since their body can bend it,their tendons can bend extra.
I mean I have to not onlysupport where they're like,
where their body weight ishanging down, but I also have to
like find a way to support theother side so that it doesn't
overextend, which is amagnificently fun challenge, and
you know working on that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
I bet it takes a long time.

Speaker 6 (01:11:09):
I bet it takes a long time to get someone into that
position, right?
I mean, is that like a longtime consuming thing?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
It's not it's not too bad, right I can.
I can tie most harnesses that Iwant to do in like a minute.
Okay, that's pretty fast, yeah,and then getting them up there
like another couple of minutes,if, if it's like a four
different harnesses maybe, butyeah, I can't imagine from zero
to getting someone fullysuspended taking more than 30
minutes without some, without itbeing like extravagant, like

(01:11:35):
the tree one took probably tooka while just because prepping
someone's body to be up therebefore you attach them is
probably an ordeal.
But I didn't do it and I justseen it done myself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Ruin, where can we find you?

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Yeah, are you on Twitter?
I am.
I have three accounts onTwitter.
I have a lot of accountseverywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Let's list everything so people can find you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
Okay, I'll try to remember everything.
I have a lot of kind ofeverywhere.
Okay.
So on Twitter I'm raunchy isand ruin willow ruin underscore
willow.
On Instagram, I'm ruin willowand ruin willow author.
I have ruin willow one there aswell, but I've been kicked out
of that account so I can'taccess it.
So that is me, but I can't getinto it.
I'm on Pinterest ruin willow,my tick tock, ruin willow.

(01:12:14):
I'm on tumblr.
I'm on Reddit.
I'm on share some ruin willow.
My books are online a lot ofdifferent places Barnes and
Noble, Smashwords, Amazon,Spotify audiobookscom Just
possible and I'll link it in theshow notes everybody.
Yeah, I have a link tree thathas a lot of things on.
I'm on fans Lee, I am on.

(01:12:36):
I just started on.
Sub stack is another place I'mat and let's see my podcast is
oh fuck yeah, with ruin willowand that's pretty much on all
the all the podcast appseverywhere.
My website is ruin willowauthorcom.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
I know I'm like forgetting, like a ton of things
if you can send it to me afterthe fact too, if there's
something that you want to bepushed, awesome for sure.
Um fucking fantastic ruin.
You've been amazing.
Thank you so much for joiningus on talk dirty to me and
really really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Yeah, thank you so much, it was so fun.

Speaker 6 (01:13:05):
I was last.
Thank you so much for having me.
This was really fun.
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Um and for all you sexy beast out there, you can
find us on Patreon.
You can go to little, renovaterent.
La, la, la la, la littlerenegade films little renegade
filmscom that links to all ourstuff.
We have link trees and all ourstuff.
So talk dirty to me pod onInstagram.
Talk dirty to me pod on Twitter.
Um, if you want to make a onetime donation, you can do that
at little renegade filmscom.

(01:13:30):
Please go to our on little raidrenegade filmscom, click on the
podcast, click on talk dirty tome, and we have a form you can
fill out.
So, if you would like to gueston the show, if you're an
enthusiast or an expert in somecapacity and a kink um, I don't
know how to name all of thethings you could possibly be
that would make you appealing tous, but it is a large, it is a
large category of things.
So if you have a story or akink we haven't talked about,

(01:13:52):
please hit me up on the on theform so that we can um, so we
can get you on here or we candiscuss your story or what have
you.
We have a lot of stuff on theform right now and I have a
episode that's dog year just totalk about all that form stuff.
So if you've submittedsomething, thank you so much.
I promise we're getting to it,um, and I am going to put a call
out there.
I would love to find somebodywho can talk to us, um, expertly
and safely about fisting, bothof the vaginal sort and the anal

(01:14:15):
sort.
So if you do, you um Tosen hassomebody, but please, if you are
that person or you know thatperson, reach out to us, fill
out the form, send it to us,because we can have more than
one person talk about fisting Um, and I'm going to put out a
call every time, a differentcall every time, because I want
all these things discussed.
Uh yeah, so thanks for you,sexy beasts.
Until next time, let's allwrite some smart, shall we?

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Yeah, hot potato.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Bye.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Bye.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
Talk Dirty to Me is a podcast by Little Renegade
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Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
It stars Sarah Marie Curry, casey Sammy Casey why
don't you sound real sexy whileyou do it?
Do I?
No, why don't you?
Oh, why don't I?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Yeah, like you, remember how you read your
synopsis and you're like oh, youwant me to do it like that, yes
.

Speaker 7 (01:15:04):
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Little Renegade Films.
It stars Sarah Marie Curry,casey Sammy, tosen Alifaso and
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(01:15:25):
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