S2E7 (Monday Jones) - Meet the Shamanatrix - Talk Dirty To Me

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, well, well, go ahead and open up your ears,
your mind and whatever else youneed.
You're listening to Talk DirtyTo Me.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello all of you sexy , sexy beasts and welcome back
to Talk Dirty To Me, the podcastwhere three friends with three
different perspectives on kink,fetish and sex talk dirty to one
another.
And today we have with usMonday Jones, and I know some of
you out there in our listenerpool are very excited because
you are the ones that told us toget her as a guest and we did.

(00:44):
We did, monday, say hello.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hi, I love the opportunity to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, so if you haven't been to Monday's website
, please visit MondayJonescom.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh, I'm there.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm there immediately because I usually ask guests
for a bio.
I did not because it like yourwebsite.
Like you have all theexperience and all the knowledge
and so many things that I didnot know how to submit it in a
tiny paragraph.
So will you for us, submitwhatever is to you the most

(01:19):
important, you think?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, man, I can't even.
I don't even know if I can sumit up in like a few.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
You can use as many sentences as you like.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Okay, Because I was like I was thinking about this
earlier today.
I was like I don't know if Ican really sum it up in just a
couple words, because it's so.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
We like all the words .
Use as many as you like.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's so unique to each person that comes to visit
me and the usually the responseor each, I shouldn't even say
visits me, because I do a lot ofdistance stuff too so each
person that reaches out to meit's coming.
They're coming to me uniquelyas them.
So I don't know, I don't alwaysknow exactly why they're drawn

(02:08):
to me, but they are, and I do, Imean they're, and then I'll
think I usually figure it out.
After we've had a session ortalks back and forth I'm like,
oh okay, I see why they've, whythey were drawn to me, but it's
so.
See, here I call myself ashaman, oh, you call yourself a
shaman.
So I come with it, like withthis shaman mentality.

(02:36):
And then I took atrix fromDominatrix.
So the dominant, the leadinglady, the dominant lady.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So let's separate those two things for a minute.
And just about you as a kinkyperson for a minute.
Your kink is you are on theleft side of the slash.
Yeah, you're Dom.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'm so.
So I actually in my personallife, like this is also really
strange is I basically made mypersonal life because I
personally lived BDSM lifestyleand, yes, dynamics, ms Dynamics,
24-7.
It's not something that turnsoff.
I ended up turning my lifestyleinto a career.

(03:22):
And but how I turned it into acareer first is I did it as like
a fetish model and then itmoved and basically doing like
fetish scenes with people, andthen I started just noticing I
wasn't enjoying bottoming it.
Just I just got to a point thatI just wasn't, it wasn't

(03:44):
feeling it, and I did noticethat more in my personal life.
I did more domination, so Iwent and studied and got some
education around how to packageit as a pro.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
When you first started out, you were a bottom
or you were a switch.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
A switch Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
And then you were like Bob, this is not for me
anymore.
And then you were like I'mgoing, Dom, and you learned how
to and you like, brought thatinto your personal life and then
learned how to package it likeprofessionally Amazing.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
And so what I threw in, like you have to remember,
vanilla, vanilla is like aflavor too, so and I'm also, I
also really like just sometimeslike vanilla, just intimacy.
So I was like, well, I can'tjust, I can't just do only kink,
because that's not really beingtrue to me.

(04:37):
So I do offer, I do offer spaceto for the vanilla side of
things.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Amazing and the first person, I think we've talked to
was Stephanie.
We have a whole episode calledvanilla is a spice, it's a spice
.
Oh, and there's so manyvariations of it too Flavors.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
So you were one of the first people we've spoken
with that has said I live thelifestyle 24, seven.
Oh really, yeah, and half fromthe beginning and half from the
beginning.
When did you realize you werekinky, and was it from that
moment that you were just in ita hundred percent of the time?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I don't know if I realized I was.
You just came in to be in thatway.
I thought that was just how youdid it.
I think it was like it was acollege boyfriend that was like,
hey, you know what, you're kindof kinky, and I'm like, no, not
.
He's like, yeah, you, you are.
And I'm like, yeah, sure,whatever, that's awesome.

(05:34):
I just, I wasn't afraid toexplore the body and I just
vulnerability, the intimacy,yeah, the shared space, that's
like the real thing, theintimacy.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
And then.
So the healer side of things isthat did you just?
Was that something that youlike?
Is that a journey you went onbecause you were interested in
healing, or something that youcame about?
That came about through kinkand sex?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think the healer stuff actually came more
naturally from maybe assistancefrom my parents and my exposure
being the way that I was broughtup and and had being brought up
on Eastern medicine and lookingat the whole body instead of
just looking at bandaid fixeswith like how the Western

(06:22):
medicine kind of approaches wellbeing so.
And then my parents were alsoboth reiki masters and my dad
was a massage therapist and mymom was an herbalist and cool.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, and I studied it from when.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I grew up in it and then I started studying it at a
really, really young age as well, I want to say like 15.
And then a lot of my firstbooks were around herbs and
plant medicine and then and thenI just study around the body
and then, on my own personaljourney, just to have better
understanding, I went intoWestern medicine myself.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh yeah, holy moly, are you in?
In what capacity did you gointo Western medicine?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I did nursing for about 18 years, oh, fantastic.
Okay, so most of it wasoncology and end of life.
Okay, that is a lot oftransition for people, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's you'll become a very wise person doing that.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean, you learned a lot about life through
the dying.
Yeah, A lot about livingthrough the dying.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's actually a really interesting triangle with
, like, western medicine havingthe anatomical understanding of
the body, eastern medicinehaving a spiritual understanding
of the body and kink having,like, a relational understanding
of the body.
How do you, how do you think,like all of that?
Like, I feel like there's veryinteresting insights that, like,

(07:49):
only someone with all three ofthose would have.
Do you have any specific likethings that you've noticed with
like those three parts ofyourself?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
I mean, I definitely can.
I feel like I read the person'sbody in a very somatic way.
I mean I'm looking at themmentally, physically,
emotionally and spiritually whenthey come to see me.
It's not just like I'm notlooking at one aspect or the
other, which is reallyinteresting, because it's like
and I don't know, and what'scool to a medical intuitive is a

(08:20):
word that I use for it, butlike I'll have, I'll use an
example.
I had this very sweet young mancome and see me.
He wanted a cessificationsession, lovely, last week.
What is this?
A cessification?
So he wanted me to dress him uplike a little girl.
Oh, a little girl, not a littlegirl, but like like a girl.
Yeah, sissy, yeah, okay, it'slike a sissy, yeah.

(08:43):
And then the interesting thingis the interesting thing was
that when he came in, I you know, I asked him.
I could tell that he was supernervous.
So I, you know, I let him knowthat he was in a safe place with
me, that it wasn't going to,that it was free of judge you
know judgment.
And then I just could startreading him and he kept telling

(09:05):
me these things that he wasconcerned about and what made
him feel self-conscious and likeI was able to tell him because
he wanted better hair and nailsand, and you know, skin, and I'm
like, well, hey, let's get youon some zinc.
And I'm like it looks likeyou're also, you know, you're
not like really sleeping verywell, so let's try some
magnesium at night and somecalcium in like chamomile tea

(09:27):
and stuff.
So it's like I'm like givinghim this little maybe a yeah,
but it's like a prescriptionthrough our play, like as I'm
dressing him up as a sissy, youknow, I'm putting him in my bed,
I'm putting this little pinkdress and I'm putting his hair
into piggy tails and I'm likegiving him thickener that they
can use on his hair Naturalproducts.

(09:48):
And you know, then he'sslightly embarrassed that he's.
He's slightly embarrassed, youknow, about his level of
experience.
So I give him homework on whathe can do at home.
This is the other thing.
Is he's also or she, she's alsocaged up in chastity during the
whole time, which, I have tosay, is probably one of my

(10:11):
probably it's, it's probably oneof my higher interests is
chastity play.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Oh, it's one of your more favorite things.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, I don't know, and like I shouldn't say, comes
and goes in waves.
I definitely have waves of itwhere it's my, it's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Okay, and so for all of our listeners, maybe if
you're just tuning in chastity,you don't know, chastity is yeah
.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
And I like both genitals caged, so female,
female genitals caged as well,just as well as like penis cages
, yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
How do you cage a female?

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Hey, where is it?
Okay, I do want to do you wantto explain it?
Oh, no, go for it.
Yeah, I think, yeah, I thinkyou have some expertise in this,
maybe in this fetish too, Forthis cake.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
It's basically like handcuffed panties, so it's like
it's underwear that has likelocks on it, and so like, like
chastity chastity for penises islike a pretty yeah Customized
cage.
Most chastity for women, forvaginas, that I've seen, is just
like locked underwear theycan't be taken off or penetrated
.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
It makes me think of, it always makes me think of oh
shoot, is it, it's Robin, robinHood.
Oh the locksmith, I've neverlost a key yet.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's literally my like.
I've been approached to do likechastity with a man before and
previously and my number onelike hesitation was like I lose
my shit all the time and I can't.
I can't be responsible for apermanently locked penis.
That can't be my life.
That's your favorite chastityscene that you've done favorite

(11:48):
chat oh there's the one thatmade you be like.
I really like this.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Oh, I, I think it was with a particular.
It was with a particularpartner, because I've also I
feel like I feel like kinks getbrought out of me with a lot of
times who I'm participating withas well.
Is that does that make sense?
Like it gets like more enhancedwith who I'm with?
But it was one.
It was one particular partnerthat I had and we had to play

(12:16):
distance wise because he was in.
Where was he?
I don't know, he was in.
He was central somewhere incentral United States.
So it was so much fun playingchassis with him because we had
we had all the tools that youcould do at distance, you know,
the video check ins and the lockbox with the code where I could

(12:39):
set the code and I could unlockthe box and I be like hey, and
I would know that he would beout because I would also have a
tracking device on this phone tosee where he was at.
I knew he would be exactly like34 minutes from his house, so I
would unlock the box at likeyeah, the box is unlocked for 32
minutes I hope you can get homeor like 29 minutes.

(12:59):
He made it a lot of fun and Ikept him in Chastity.
I want to say the whole.
A big chunk of our relationshipwas him and Chastity, which was
we were probably together forabout 18 months.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
And we say together he was a partner or he was a
client.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
So like that's so hard to say too, because I used
to make my husband give me hispaycheck to sleep in bed with me
.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yes, normalize this everyone.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
So it's really honestly it's hard for me to
identify like it's the gray.
The line is blurry a lot of thetimes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay.
So occupationally you, you havethis, you are kinky Dom in the
world, you just exist that way.
And then you also studiedhealing.
You grew up in it and it'ssomething that you took on
yourself.
And then one day you were likeI'm going to like I don't think
you decided to consciouslycombine them, I think it just
happened.
But so, professionally, now youare a shaman matrix and so if

(14:02):
I'm a venture, I guess youpeople find you and they have
some sort of healing.
Do they come to youspecifically with like I have
this trauma or I have this thingand I want to work through it
with being tied up, or or arethey just like I need a kink
session?

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I don't, I think at first, you know, because I
wasn't branded as they go.
Let's say I've been doing thisprofessionally about 10 years
say that right, 1012 years orsomething.
So I'm definitely not the sameprovider or the same persona.
Monday, like Monday Jones, hasalso evolved over those 10 years

(14:41):
.
So I don't, I definitely don't,approach the work the same way
I did then as I do now.
I'll say that right out flat.
So I don't.
And what I told you just aminute ago is like I feel like
they come to me.
They don't know why they'recoming to me, they just feel
drawn to me.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
And then you figured out together.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
When I first I feel like when I first was doing, it
was just a lot of mostly men,you know, percent men and 92% of
them percent married.
We're just coming to get theiryou know shit, some giggles, you
know they're itch, they're itch, itched by somebody else.
And I was so you know, naiveand did see in the industry that

(15:25):
I itched the itch.
It was fun to itch the itch.
Most of it was kinky shit thatI was like, yeah, I would do
that.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Whoa.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, oh God yeah, and a heartbeat Most of them, I
talk that into.
Let me pee on you.
If you don't like pee, you'regoing to like pee after we're
done working together, you'regoing to like it, I promise.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
You're going to like it.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
It's warm, it's fun, easy to wash off.
Yeah, some of them they do havethey have they're coming to see
me for a particular reason.
I have a handful of people whoI deal with around actual health
issues and sex related, so painwith sex type stuff or sexual
trauma that they're trying toclean up or clear out of their

(16:08):
system.
So some they just wander acrossmy site and they think I'm cute
and I go all right, let's setthis one up.
I'll read out the ones thataren't supposed to see me,
that's for sure.
You know, I do have a screeningprocess.
If they can't pass it, it'spretty simple.
If they can't pass it, I don't,I don't, I'm not going to
follow through.
Yeah, so, and I've done like Ifeel like all variations of this

(16:33):
kind of work I don't know if Ican explain that correctly, but
like everything from porn toescorting and all the things in
between, yeah, as part of beinga trauma matrix, or just as like
.
As part of like the sex, likethe sex work journey is what I'm
saying, like just as part of it.
I've tried, like all of theseavenues of and when I'm coming

(16:56):
to find out is sex is just apart of us, just period, an
aspect.
Yeah yeah, we relate a lot toit.
We put a lot of emphasis intoit.
It's great motivation, it's howit's, a creative force.
A lot of countries call it, youknow, chi, which is life force.

(17:18):
It's yeah.
So we as Americans, I feel likewe ignore it.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh for sure.
I think we're very repressed,nodding our head because
religion.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Because of religion.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
I think it's more than just religion, though the
law of things evil.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean there's.
I think there's more to it thanjust religion.
But, yes, that is.
Yeah, that's.
That has started the snowball,but why is it continuing?

Speaker 5 (17:48):
It's Minnors still in power, I guess.
What was that?
Because men are still in power,yeah, and I think the idea of
women just winning ever andhowever exploring their
sexuality is a very scary thingfor a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and I will also tell you that men don't like to
hear the word no, oh I know, Imean, I'm just, I should say, in
my, in my field of work, andthey come to me.
They don't, they really don'tlike to hear the word.
No, they want to come to me andbecause they are paying,
there's like this, this moneything that's happening.

(18:26):
They just think that they couldbuy me and I'm going to do
whatever they want, whatever thefetish is, whatever the kink is
whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Because they've paid, you now will do anything.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
And I'm like hey, my, my integrity is not for sale.
Like, if you're not coming inand giving me money like I'm not
, I'm not.
I could try to explain to them.
Like I'm not, a service talkeither.
This is to my discretion.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I'm a self service talk.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I'm allowing you to come into the space and that
money is like gratitude and whatI've come to realize after 10
years of being in this business.
And then also I'll tell you Iwent and spent some time on the
legal side of prostitution inNevada for a while and that was
my opening.
I'm just like, holy fuck, I'mstill, oddly, even as a femur

(19:15):
dom, a female top, bowing downto the patriarchy in this fucked
up weird way.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Oh, my God elaborate.
You'd learn this from being aprostitute.
Wait, what was that?
I'm sorry.
Did I use the right word?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Oh no, I said.
I've tried like every avenue ofthis and even in the legal,
legal side of prostitution inNevada, and I've come to find
out that it's just like thesemen.
They think they can come in andbuy me and it just, and I'm just
sitting there like, well, no,no, it's not.
It's not like that.
It's like an honor to come intomy space.

(19:51):
You're not able like you're not, you're not here to buy me, you
can't do anything.
You want to me.
And then what I don't.
It dawned on me after 10 yearsof being in this business.
It's like I'm still playinginto this fucked up dynamic of
patriarchy by offering sex as aservice.
Like you're shaking your head,you get it, you're understanding

(20:12):
what I'm saying.
I'm still playing a role in it.
I'm capitalizing off of sexthat men want and I'm putting a
price on it and I'm stillparticipating in the patriarchy.
As much as I want to go againstthe grain and be like this
outlaw and be like I'm not doingthis, I'm doing an
untraditional thing andunorthodox career, I'm still

(20:33):
just.
I'm offering them a place foran outlet for sex.
They can pay for it and come tome.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
But like a lot of it, do you so?
Does that mean that you thinkthat there's no way to do
healing and recovery through sexthat isn't in a sense bowing
down to the patriarchy?

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Oh, I think that there's a way to do it.
I just, I've just, it's justdawned on me that I participated
along the way through thisoutlet that I thought was going
to be like.
I'm female empowerment.
I'm doing sex work because Iwant to not cause.
I'm a starving you know,starving sex worker.
I've chose to be here, you knowI I'm doing it as this, you

(21:14):
know, as this female dominantrole, but still participating in
this awkward negotiation thathappens with them around what
our scenes look like and theweird negotiation around that.
You're not doing negotiation,but the ego that comes with it

(21:36):
and the entitlement that comeswith it, because there's money
involved, because they'repurchasing, they're purchasing
me.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
So how have you?
How have you?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh well, I mean earlier years, I just played
into it and took the money anddidn't really care and didn't
really even know what was goingon.
Until you know, after I've beenin it for 10 years and tried on
different avenues of it, seeingseeing how this industry
there's no, let's say okay,there's no regulations, right?

(22:05):
So even even like in somaticwork, like that's been the big
word that's been thrown around,I feel like have you noticed
that?
Yeah, so we're somatic, somaticis the new good morning.
Yeah, so I'm a somatic workoutsand somatic journaling and
somatic.
Well, there's the somaticpractitioner.

(22:25):
I don't want to say it's madeup degree, but there's only one
place in the United States thatoffers this degree.
That's in California at themoment and it's only been out as
a degree for about two to threeyears.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Can you define verse what somatic means?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Somatic.
Somatic it's working with themind, body and spirit.
Okay, so how I titled myselfthis is I went out and did all
these studies along, like I didnutrition and fitness and then I
did sexology, and then I didReiki and I did some body work
and cupping and a bunch of otherthings that I threw in there

(23:02):
that would work, and then Iadded through and counseling,
education and grief, educationand trauma education.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
So it's basically a very holistic, robust approach
to all these certificates,basically to try to make this a
legitimate thing.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Well, if I'm going to approach the human body whole,
why would I ignore sex?
There's just no way.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
You were saying.
One of the one of my biggestthings that I believe in as well
is that, like, for example, Ihave a partner who I would.
We have a regular kind of ligusappointment and often during
that appointment, while I'meating them out, they will take
time to like vent about things,because it's very somatically

(23:50):
healing to be paring, to be likepurging things that you feel
bad about, like and thenclimaxing Like it's a really
good way of like pushing thatthrough.
And it's also like a like aseffectively like orgasmic EMDR,
which is like you're kind ofreprogramming your internal
system to be like at peace withwhatever it is that you're
dealing with and I'm like thismakes complete sense to me, like

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I I tell people all the time Iwas like the easiest, the
simplest way for to cheer me upand throughout every system and
coping mechanism that exists isa like you know, unexpected
felatio, right, that'll workevery time.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, Unexpected felatio.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
That was like I'm good for like 12 years and so,
and I think I agree with you.
I think people like ignore,like they put sex in its bucket,
like over here by itself, andthen they try to solve all types
of internal body problemswithout that and then they
struggle and then when somepeople were trying to be like,
well, you know, there's this ageold thing that's really good

(24:56):
for the human body that we couldbe this area that you're
totally disconnected from.
Yeah, and there's conversationslike what you were saying, with
like learning people.
There's conversations that youcan only learn, you can only
have with people like sexually,like there's.
That's the only way you canfind out the certain parts of
who a person is.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, yeah, and they bring out.
I think they also bring out,like that, others like just they
bring out something inside ofyou and each person is different
.
So you're kind of your maybe,maybe I don't know, maybe this
is just me, but I feel like I'ma bit of a chameleon with each
person, and I'm with becausethey're bringing out a different
spice, a different level of me.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Absolutely yeah, especially if you're like, if
part of who you're being in adynamic is like serving a
particular king, even if it'slike a self, even with service
for yourself, like I'm a serviceswitch.
So I'm just being like, youknow, I'm just trying to ash
catch him.
Everybody's good feels and I'venever heard that term before.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I like it.
A service switch.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'll be.
Whatever you need, I'll figureit out.
And the ash catching part isjust from the Pokemon song.
I want to be the very best,like no one ever was.
But yeah, I was like I'm allkinds of people right, like I'm
a.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I'm a heavily totally a chameleon too, or a
shapeshifter.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
And I feel like it's great, like why wouldn't you be?
I contain multitudes.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Well, yeah, not everybody is is dynamic, though,
girl, I couldn't be justanything for anyone.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
I'd have to, really, and I have to show up to
something and it be equal onboth.
Like both people are likegetting what they need.
That's like really important.
Yeah, for me personally, but Itotally get the other way around
.
I just that's just not me, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, I like that.
I like the equal as well, thethe.
There's some dynamics that Ihave that it feels like it's
even in, even in the space, likethe shared space together and
the vulnerability.
You can see it and not see it,but it's a seamlessly switches
and it's like kind of moves backand forth, like like as an

(27:11):
ocean does, just rolls with it.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
So what?
So you mentioned earlier thatyou have some clients that you
help them work through sexualtrauma or trauma of some
capacity.
Can I would be alright to talkabout how?
Do you have like a methodologyfor like how do you help people
work through trauma and how, howdo you apply kink or sex to

(27:33):
that process if it is part ofthe process?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
If it is part of the process, well, sex is like.
So what are we using as thedefinition of sex?
Is that the webster definitionof sex?
Because I've also come to findout that sexuality and the way
that people express it is on aspectrum and penetrative sex
isn't always considered.
So what I'm ultimately doingwith them is holding a safe

(28:01):
space that's free of judgmentfor us to be vulnerable, to
create the intimacy that we needto create, whatever that is and
I will tell you that 9.9% of mywork is probably through
conversation, and thatconversation isn't always
through the body.
Like a big portion of it isthrough like a talk, somatic,

(28:25):
like, like you were justmentioning, you go down on your
partner and your partner purges.
If I'm offering somebody a safeplace to come in and be able to
have somebody that's not goingto judge them and still hold the
same same capacity of like theconfidentiality and the
discretion like a standard talktherapist would and I'm not

(28:46):
ignoring sex, and that can comeup in the conversation, and it
can even because it's like it'sso subjective.
So the intimacy maybe theintimacy is the better word gets
to be a part of it.
We get to, we get to explore iton all, all levels of that
spectrum, because we didn't weput it, we didn't put any
limitations on it.
I don't know if that made sense.

(29:08):
I circled back around.
Yeah, sure, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
No, I mean like alleviating the walls in the
boxes I've seen has just beenlike so good for people who,
especially if they've beenthrough like some type of sexual
trauma, because they find itdifficult to like find their way
out into healing when thereseems to be only like one way to
go and when you give them beinglike hey, let's get weird with

(29:36):
it.
Like it was like I was just likeif you need me to hold you
upside down and call you namesfor you to get through this,
I'll do it.
If you need me to lift thebottom of your feet so that you
can get through it, I'll do it.
If you need me to stand on onefoot in the corner with the
lampshade on and sing and singBeauty and the Bee songs while
you masturbate, we'll do itRight.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I was like I, I'm compressive, I think I get out
of it as the other peoplegetting things out of it.
What?

Speaker 5 (30:14):
was that Expand?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I think I could all the examples you gave are
because you've done them fast ofof you.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
The last one I have not, the first two I have.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Tosin, could you please come over to my house and
stand in the corner with alampshade on singing beauty in
the background.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I'll be there tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Thank you, I need a sweet moment.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I need it to heal.
I you asked how do I use it aslike, how do I help people heal
through or heal trauma?
Well, again, like, each personis different, so I can help by
offering that ear for them to,you know, be the active listener
to and hold that safe place,that safe space for them.

(31:08):
I do it through body work, justmoving it out physically
through the body.
I have a couple of otherMondalas that I utilize, like Dr
Cleansing and Reiki.
I do what's called the bodydecoding, where it's where I can
actually breathe the body, andit tells me where trauma is

(31:28):
placed.
Sometimes it's interestingtrauma like I could tell.
But I could tell like, oh, youtwisted your ankle when you were
probably like seven and like,how did you know that?
I'm like what Was it from abike accident?
And they're like, yeah, how doyou know that?
Me, I don't know.
Your body is just telling me.
So apparently this makes youlike your body is upset from

(31:49):
this trauma that happened whenyou were seven.
But I do also think like theword like somatic, it's overused
.
Trauma is overused as well.
Breathe, you know we have anervous system and have you seen
our nervous system lit up?

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Have you seen it Like it's a whole fucking.
It's like a whole.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
It's like a whole skeleton.
It's a fucking skeleton.
It's a whole body.
Our nervous system has its ownmind.
It's called the brain.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
My, I wouldn't call her a therapist, I just said a
wrong word.
But the person I do work withrecently sent me a picture of
what the nervous system lookslike.
On its own, it's horrifying andhilarious.
I'm trying to find the pictureright now.
It looks like a creature, andshe was like this is a creature
that lives inside you, that'scontrolling you.

(32:37):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
It truly is, and so I would like to like think of
trauma.
Instead of it being trauma,it's more of like this, it's
more of a nervous system.
I really like that a lot, andthat derailment can be on any
sort of spectrum.
It can be very light or it canbe very devastating, you know,
like a car accident or a divorce, because it's like it's life

(33:03):
changing, right.
Those are two very lifechanging things that are going
to affect the nervous systemvery similarly and differently
at the same time, because of howit got impacted through the
body or through, like emotionand mental capacity.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I think that's a great way to put it.
That's why I guess becauseeverybody's like nobody doesn't
have trauma.
Everybody has trauma whichsounds so dramatic it makes it
sound like everybody's been tohell and back.
But when you describe it thatway is like being derailed.
Everybody gets derailed.
You can either get derailed andcome right back, or you got
like blown way off the tracksand have to do a little more

(33:38):
work to get back on.
But you can totally get back onif you do the work.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, I mean I haven't.
You.
Has anybody been around like athree year old or you know,
terrible twos or whatever?
Like the tantrum, Like justlike saying no to a candy is a
total trauma.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, oh my gosh A little, you tell a little.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
no, no, you don't get to tell her right now.
You can go to bed.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Do you find that the people that come to see you,
often their trauma is related totheir kink, in that they hold
shame around it, or you aretheir only space, because often
with people with what's the wordlike just very particular kink,
they have trouble finding?
You know, spouses.
It's like easy to date in thevanilla world, but the truth of

(34:29):
it is like they're.
They tend to either have to hidethat side or and I would, I
would imagine that kind of thatshame has got to hold the power
over the body and some guiltyeah, a lot of, and they're in
grief because they're not livingtheir authentic life.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
They have to, you know, live like this dual life
or so.
One thing that's interesting is, because of the studying that
I've done, I also can tell wherewe hold certain emotions in our
body, and so a lot of the timeswhen I'm doing, when I can feel
that we're dealing with guiltor grief, or they'll even tell

(35:07):
me like this part of my bodyaches, this feels like this,
this feels like that, and I canread it, I'm like, okay, we're
dealing with, we're dealing withshame we're dealing with.
Probably it's either his ownpersonal shame or other people's
shame around it, right?
So then, when we do the scene,if it's an impact scene, I make
sure that I hit those spots onhis body to help release that

(35:30):
pent up energy, that pent upenergy and emotion that's been
stored in those spaces.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Like to move it around, like chi or to do.
You feel like the act ofimpacting it breaks it and I, I
feel like I'm a vessel half thetime.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
So I feel like it like oddly goes through me and
like, and then and I'm not goingto lie sometimes attaches to me
because we're all sponges.
I mean we're porous.
Human bodies are porous.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
That was going to be.
My next question is do you everfeel kind of drained after
someone's trauma?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
For sure, after scenes and sessioning for, yeah,
and holding space like this.
I mean, it is, it's, it issomething that is special and
really unique to them, and it'snot something.
A lot of them have partnersthat offer it or, like you said,
outlets because of they do finein their vanilla world, but
they hide this.

(36:24):
You know this thing behindclosed doors of wanting to wear
women's lingerie or, you know,be fucked in the ass or whatever
the odd kink is to them.
I also think this iscollectively, though, and
societal and cultural, like wehave a lot of suppression when
it comes to sex and sexeducation.

(36:44):
I don't know what your guys insex education look like, but
mine sucks, amen.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
I had none Southern Baptist here, so yeah, none
exist.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
So all three of you didn't even have sex education
offered to you in school.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I got a video in fifth grade.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Yeah, me too Same, but would they split the boys
and the girls up?
So all it did was confuse meeven more, because you know we
couldn't.
And also my husband was infourth grade where they did it
and he, after they pushed playor pause on the film, he said
the word erection out loud andthey expelled him in fourth
grade.
What so?

(37:23):
Like that is just like thatAgain, you don't hold that
trauma forever, like you getover it, but it's stuff like
that sticks around in your brainof like what is negative and
what is not okay and what is notshameful like the unspoken, the
unknown, forbidden, forbiddenwhen it's just like.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
It's like, did you not?
I mean, we fucking masturbateand we fucking masturbate in the
womb, do we?
Yeah, we have to regulate our,we have to regulate our nervous
system.
And we're in there.
Mom's eating spicy food.
Mom's just having her run outreal quick.
Yeah, it's a pleasure button.
It's also part of our bodies.

(38:05):
I was also like I was raised ona farm as well, so it's like I
saw the cycle of life right infront of me at all times through
these animals.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I love that you, like lived with birth at your like
and then, at another point,lived with death.
How very like whole transition.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, and I think even the work that I do now is
very transformative.
I mean, a lot of peopletransition from, you know,
hiding in that shell and beingashamed of not embracing their
true self, and to the transitioninto a new space with it and be
able to own it.
And I like getting these, thesemen who came to see me and not

(38:51):
know how to date kinky and me,coaching them along the way on
how to do it and also exploringtheir kinks, teaching them how
to negotiate better, how to havebetter communication around it,
how to ask for their needs,find their voice, helping their
men.
These men find their voice.
And I keep saying men, butthat's just because and I do see

(39:14):
women and I do see couples, butjust about, you know, probably
95% of my clients are men at themoment.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, Two questions for you.
One is the following I thinkyou, I think you'd be
appropriate person to ask forthis.
I've been.
I've been waiting for a personto ask this question to for like
months.
Orgasms Hold on Okay.
So recently in in my life Ihave been capable of orgasming,
and it's normal and it's great.

(39:43):
And then recently in my maybethis last year or two, sometimes
I orgasm and it afterwards isimmediately accompanied by
intense sadness and I willsuddenly cry oh, what the fuck
is that?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Oh, deep, deep release.
So can I ask you like how oldyou are?
Yeah, 40.
40.
, okay, and it's been like thelast year you're moving into
into it.
So what, the first, like thefirst thing into it, like
intuitive thing that I got wasthere's your having like

(40:21):
increased hormone releases goingon in your body and this
happens to be just one of theresponses.
Your symptoms, like theresponse of a symptom, just also
.
That was what I got before Ieven heard what your age was and
then your age kind of came fromit.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
So it's like it's like like period emotional
swings, yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yes, that's what I would.
There's probably, and Iwouldn't, even if that's the
words that you want to put on itit's just trying to understand
the imbalance going like ahormonal chemical in bounce
going on in your body right nowas you're aging.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
The active orgasming triggered a hormone swing that
led to an emotional response.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I'm not sure.
Yep, it's like another release.
That's what came to me when youwere saying it.
Do you have, do you have likeunresolved sexual trauma that
you may know about or not knowabout?
I?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
don't think so.
I do not, consciously know ofany sexual trauma.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, do you get really, really high, like a
four-year high, from your orgasm?
No, but that's not really nice.
No, okay, it's just like you.
Just have you just beenexperiencing like this crash?
It sounds like.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, it's like, it's crazy, because I'll go from
like it's like the orgasm willhappen and all of a sudden I'll
be like overwhelmed with sadnessand like to the point of being
able to immediately cry andthere's part of me that's like
crying and part of me that'slike what the fuck is happening
right now.
Why am I so sad?
I just came.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Have you ever just tried to lean into it and just
let it out?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, I know it's because usually I'm alone.
This is only how it happenedwhen I'm by myself, so I don't
like try to stop it.
It's also like very short lived, it's a moment that's probably
under a minute, but it's sointense that like it's stopped
me.
Yeah, and I'm like what, what,how?
And then I've just been curiousas to how an orgasm is linked

(42:16):
with whatever the fuck that isthat allows a big emotional
release yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, I think I can think of is that you're hitting
like a real big peak, you knowthis dopamine or serotonin peak,
and then it goes and dropsreally quick and that's how
you're responding.
Oh, fascinating.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Does the sadness burn the orgasm?
Or do you like you, you'recompletely finished and then it
happens?
Or is it like they're they nextto each other?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Right next to each other.
They're living right next toeach other, like one is on the
heels of the other, like pointof climax, maybe a little bit
after, and then swell of Sadnessthat'll this so deep that I can
cry.
That is also only a moment,like lesson, lesson, a minute,
and I've heard of people cryingbecause like crying when they

(43:06):
Like I'm not the first personthat's cried because of an
orgasm, but I've just, yeah,never experienced that before.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I definitely experienced what you're talking
about, and I don't really thinkI've experienced, though, until
my 40s.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Really, yeah, so I'm normal yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
It's not.
The thing is it's not normal.
It's that.
It's that they just stopped.
They just stopped researchingwhat happens to women's bodies
throughout their age.
They just know, fuck all aboutwhat happens to us.
And so, oh yeah, we've got ourhormones.
I mean, there are women thatare 35, that are perimenopausal,
that have no clue that they are, and they're going and they're
getting these pellets in theirbodies and they're fucking with

(43:45):
every level of every Whatever,and and it's it's affecting
every aspect of their life, butyet there's no research.
There's just nothing.
They're just like a.
It's a woman Burner at thestake.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, there's very little research for women
only to.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
The only two hints that I've had is there was
someone that I used to eat outin their 40s who would
occasionally, you know, weeppost orgasm and she said that it
was like, similar to likepremenopausal symptoms.
That was like oh this, I havehad this feeling before.
I've had this feeling after.

(44:22):
You forward feelings before?
Yeah, so she said that.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
And then there was a trans woman who would cry after
Climaxing after she startedtaking estrogen regularly, or
two hints that I was gonna askyou yeah, I was also gonna ask
you where were you in your cycle, if you're in your high
hormonal cycle, which is likethe pre Period, or your low
hormonal cycle, which is where,like the ovulation so it's like

(44:48):
two weeks High hormonal, twoweeks low hormonal.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Oh, I have no idea.
Yeah, I'll pay attention tothat one oh.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Correlation to that too.
I know that, like, like, whenyou talk about them, like the
feel a little nostalgic aboutthe one was I've had with it
because it was so intense andit's really yeah, it's.
It reminds me like take over mybody.
Yeah, like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
It reminds me like Dark Knight of the soul in that,
like the people that I've known, that I have are friends of
mine that have cried after, butnot like tears of joy, because
I've tried, I've cried liketears of joy, like After an
orgasm or they are.
They brought tears to my eyes.
I know there was a very longperiod of my life where every
time orgasm I was Picturingmyself burning in hell.

(45:37):
That was a whole Other placethat I've moved past, yes, but
then I have had friends who havesaid that the way they
described to me in this oneperson that I'm thinking of in
particular said that Sometimes Ifeel like as good as I feel in
that moment of my orgasm.
I'm crying because I know likeit's gonna be a long time before

(45:57):
I feel that good again, which,in my opinion, was like they're
just not living like the soup,that they weren't living like a
Fulfilling life or they weren'thappy in other areas was the way
that I kind of saw it, becauseit was that was what this person
said to me was just like I feellike each time that moment
happens, it's so amazing, andthen I immediately feel like, oh

(46:18):
, it's just fleeting to feelgood, but it's just fleeting to
feel good, was this?
That's where I'm like.
It's women.
We have to help women do what.
Yeah, they came to me after,after the podcast.
This is the person I've knownfor almost 14 years.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, sorry I didn't.
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Oh, that's in case.
Actually, if this started afterthe podcast.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, I would say it started after the podcast.
Yeah, it's fairly New.
Like it shocked me, and itdoesn't happen every time there
was.
There was a brief period oftime where it happened for
Several in a row and I was like,oh my god, is this my?
Is this my new norm.
I'm just gonna cry in front ofthe next person I have sex with.

(47:00):
But then, like now, it onlyhappens Occasionally and I kind
of wonder, because I mean, I'vebeen doing a lot of really
hardcore work with self-worthstuff.
What say that?
Again self-worth stuff?
Yeah, like this is my levelboss in this lifetime.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I don't know what position you're in when you're
masturbating, but we hold a lotof we just hold a lot of energy
in Our hips in general, just how, how the skeleton is built.
There's a lot of weight bearingin that area.
We hold a lot of our experiencein that area and with, like I
guess Chinese medicine callingare, our genital area, chi, and

(47:41):
that, that life force.
I mean we walk through or withour genitals too.
If you think about it, you'reholding so much stuff there and
if you're doing self-work on topof it, you're probably digging
deeper into some stuff and youknow, thematically working out
Things that you don't have wordsfor or memories of, because

(48:03):
your body just stores it, and Ialso don't think it's always our
stuff either.
I think that we pack around ourpartner's shit.
How could we not, like we'redoing an energy exchange that,
like a lot of the times involvessome sort of penetration or
Oral simulation that has energyflowing in and out of it, like

(48:24):
how could we not carry thosepeople that we exchange that
energy with in our bodies?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, and sometimes I wonder if the stuff I'm working
through is like my mom's.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Oh yeah, I was just going to say we especially carry
five years of generation back.
I mean, I shouldn't say women,but people who carry over
overries up inside of them, they, they have five years or five
generations, five, fivegenerations back, they carry
with.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
That's so much garbage.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
It's so much and you're asking like how do I work
out trauma?
I mean some of that stuff I dothrough role play Me too.
Yeah, I've worked out somereally interesting trauma that I
didn't know existed until I didrole play, and then I was like,
oh Fuck, that was real, oh,that wasn't a joke.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
Yeah, oh, that flashbacks a bit later and I'm
like oh whoops.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
No wonder why I wanted to explore that one.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, I've, I've participated in several like Age
play, family play stuff and ohyeah, man, you're in things
about yourselves and a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Like this is something I've been trying to
think about too, because I'vebeen like, oh, how the fuck did
I get here?
How did my pathway make it here, even though when I look back
on my memories, a lot of mymemories definitely lead me to
where I'm at now.
But I wonder if some of thatplay I'm going to use it as play

(49:51):
when your children and doing it, how innocent it is, how
innocent the exploration is, orif it's something that's taught
to us by older sources, becausewe are like animals and primal
as well, and our Cousins and oursiblings are usually the
closest to us growing up becausewe're forced to be with them,

(50:13):
right, yeah, because I just.
I have these memories of, like Ijust shared with you.
I grew up on a farm right.
I have these memories of makingmy cousins hump their pillows,
but I remember telling them tohump the pillows like they were
dogs Interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Oh yeah, I've got.
I agree wholeheartedly like inmy mind.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
In my mind, though, like when I look back on it,
like it even is just fullyinnocent play, like all the
energy that's coming from me inthe memory is just I don't know
what I'm really doing.
It's just this sounds fun, humplike a dog.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, I mean you have to be, you have to be taught to
separate it.
Like I have two autisticchildren and one of them's three
Right, and the three-year-oldis just like loves his penis
currently and oh right, andwhich is fine, do it like it's
all good.
And since the communicationmechanism is like non-normative,

(51:10):
like it's not, like it'sdifficult to like have a
conversation about it, and so Ialso know that he's also not
being influenced by any externalforces about it, like he's a
curious child.
The same way that he's openingcupboards to see what happens
when you put trucks andstrawberries and potatoes into
the pot and shake it, is thesame way he's just like what

(51:31):
does it feel like when I touchhere?
What does it feel like when Itouch here with two hands with a
cup on it?

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I'm figuring it out, don't worry about me.
I'm like great.
Do that in a place where nobodycan see you and only you yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
I remember having orgasms at like nine for sure
that's like the earliest memory,but I'm sure I was before then.
But I mean, I had memories oflike, like in my grandparents
game room, like just because andof course because it was I was
religious, and there was alwaysimmense shame afterwards, like I
couldn't wait to do it,couldn't wait, and then

(52:09):
afterwards I wanted to erase, Iwanted that like pin from men in
black and to just forget aboutwhat had just happened.
And I think it goes back to likeI had lots of incidences where
I had a younger brother and hehad a cousin, or we had a cousin
who was his age exactly, andone time I think they were
probably and and the cousin wasstaying over and my mom walked

(52:32):
in on them Daring each other tokiss each other's peepees is
what they were saying, and I Iwould imagine my mom probably
regrets the way she handled thisat that time.
This launched a full blownepisode into what was going on
at my cousin's house and thiswas not normal behavior.
And so, like parents just sooften don't even realize they're

(52:55):
making these situations so muchworse and they're making the
things that are very like youjust said what so lovely, that's
just normal, like it's justharmless.
And we, they didn't know whatthey were doing.
They didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Have they saw it maybe in a movie, heard an older
sibling suggest it or something, or I have very big memories of
like as a very little girl in Idon't even know what grade,
like super, before you even didwork at school, you just played
with markers and glitter, likekindergarten, yeah, kindergarten
, preschool, playing doctor.

(53:30):
Like yeah, like we'd be likelet's go play doctor.
And we knew it was bad becausewe hid, like we would like,
under the bed or whatever, likeRight, this is a school, we
would like run to the bathroomand then I don't, like I don't
know how we knew it was bad andthe the intention behind it was

(53:51):
completely innocent.
But we actually knew that theparts involved because like this
is my memory, it's all I haveis like Going to the bathroom
and I can't and like I don'tremember if I was the the
patient quote-unquote patient orif I was like one of the
quote-unquote doctors sounds socreepy, but we call the plank
doctor.
Anyways, somebody was like likethey pulled down their pants and

(54:13):
took off their neck and they'relaying down and everybody else
Just kind of poking them.
Like a doctor I'm a relationsponge and like wipe, like
patting it on her vagina.
Like we knew they were likeparts that weren't normally out,
which is why they were out atthe moment, because they were
like hidden normally and we Willlike it needed to be explored.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yeah, the doctor had to check on it.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah, there was no like naughtiness or malice or
dirtiness or anything behind it,it was just like yeah, this is
actually something that I'vethought about a lot, because I'm
like okay, where do where dothey get this instance from?
And I realized it since I can't.
My children learn things byrote, and so they do think the

(54:55):
only way that they'll do it onpurpose is if they've done it
that exact same way all the time.
So, for example, both of myoldest doesn't like having her
clothes on.
So unless if like like today,the mechanism for like putting
the school stuff away and whenthey got their tablets and stuff
was different, so sheimmediately took all her clothes
off and and this make.

(55:16):
And so this has been making methink.
I'm like where did we, where didI get the idea that my private
parts are private beforeAnything else?
And it's because people keptmaking me wear clothes, it's
because every time I need tohave my clothes on, they said
put your clothes on.
So then it becomes a novelpoint of curiosity For kids to
be like why?
Well, what's under there?
And then and pop, and yeah, andthen you learn that, like, you

(55:36):
have different parts than someother people, or your part or
your parts are different thanother people's parts.
You're like why, that'sinteresting, and then you also
internally know that likethere's a significantly
different feeling when I touchmyself and like any other part
of my body.
Like touch my arm is differentthan touching my penis and and

(55:56):
I'm like I'm one of us like thatfor other people and so all of
all of that and and every timethat you've like Curred, even as
a child, like touching yourpenis or being seen touching
your penis or anything like thator whatever bit you have, that
adult usually is just like someform of hide, and so that
becomes like a novel thing.
And this also makes me thinkthat, like when people say like

(56:18):
naughtiness and dirtiness, I'mlike because Internally my
internal autistic system doesnot I have a mask for it to
understand like how people wantto interact with bodies.
Internally, none of that feelsdirty and naughty to me at all.
Like at any point in time, allover the place, all over the
world, I'm just like yeah, wecan, like I, the joke I make a

(56:39):
lot is like going down onsomebody's, like giving somebody
a hug.
It's like very similar idea ofinteracting with another human
being and I get that that's notthe same for everybody else and
so and I act accordingly.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Land, somewhere on the, on a spectrum of intimacy I
want to share with you.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
know, certain people or not, people, yeah yeah and
again like yeah, the reasons Iwouldn't Give somebody a hug, or
the same reason that wouldn'tgive somebody go down on
somebody.
It was like you'd have to evenbe like you know somebody I
don't interact with at all, someversion of like you know gonna
get me sick or otherwise.
But I think about that all thetime, like where do we get this

(57:19):
line of like, noddiness,dirtiness, you know you're like
the thing that we're doing isbad and it's programmed into us.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
Yeah, it's programmed .
I was just gonna say like it'sjust built in, as that's also
why, like I mean I'm against anytype of corporal punishment for
children whatsoever like sostrongly.
But like I've also neverunderstood like the place that
we call a private part that'swhere you choose to hit a child,
like the confusion there is soOver the top to me that how

(57:48):
there's that, how it's stillgoing on today, is really
baffling.
Like I, we've grown in a lot ofareas as human beings, but that
you tell a child like not tomoon somebody or not to show
their butt or whatever, butyou're so I was just in an
argument with somebody aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I was thinking about you, because I was talking about
like I'm gonna spank mychildren because I think it's.
You know, you know like Ispanked adults in real life and
that is an entirely differentmechanism.
Like what I want, what I wouldwant in the idea of spanking my
children is not solved by that.
Somebody's arguing me andyou're like well, if people,
parents, you discipline eachother in different ways, blah,
blah, blah.
And I'm just like explain to methe difference between like

(58:27):
what.
Like, why do you, why would youchoose to pull your child's
pants down to spank them?
Like I'm just curious as tolike what, what effect that has
in the disciplinary procedure?
Because the only time I pullpeople's pants down Is for other
things.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I'm either dealing with poop or or something I deal
with with adults.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Two ends of the spectrum could be dealing with
poop on either end.
Let's be real people.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
I, I think I went, if I remember correctly, which I
remember you can not alwaysserve us right, but I believe I
went to a school that you got.
You got punished by getting hitin the principal's office, my
school's in the school.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Oh Wow, they didn't have that.
They used paddles, but they,when I was in school, they had
to.
The parents had to sign off onit.
But just just being a spankofile myself and even Jillian
Keenan says this in her book.
So well, it's like just likethere are people out there like
me that want to spank, I meanthat want to be spanked.
There's just as many people outthere that want to spank.

(59:34):
And how many of those peopleare wielding a paddle in a
school of Little children, youknow, like that's just yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah, I, I was also raised in a home where spanking
was used as punishment.
Yeah Same, but I have a time ingeneration I feel like, and
hopefully it is one that theyounger generations can grow out
of.
I.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Hope.
So I think I think it isheading that way.
I just think the South isusually a little behind on
Everything, so you know, but Ijust remember the trauma that
was that all of the UnitedStates is kind of behind.
That's true, oh, that's true,the whole United States.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Probably the surrounding oceans.
Actually, you're right.
I don't even know their side ofthose oceans.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
here you were absolutely correct on that.
I don't feel like I even wasable to you fully owned that.
I sold sex as a job until Iwent and worked out of the
country and saw how Other placestreated sex workers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
What's the difference ?
Yeah, what is it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Oh, I mean, like the other countries that I chose.
I mean I chose Australia andNew, zealand, you and UK and
Amsterdam and Germany to go andwork out of all of these places
like New Zealand and Amsterdamor New Zealand.
In Australia offered you healthinsurance, tested every four

(01:01:03):
weeks.
Who got tested?
No matter what?
The doctor came to this came tothe establishment and tested.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
You see, I'm about to get real fresh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
It was just it was treated like a job.
I would go get my haircut atthe barber on the corner before
my shift and and he one day heasked what I did and I was just
like I was just gonna tell him,I'm gonna tell him I'm a pro dom
this temple in the red lightdistrict, and I told them and he
goes cool, my girlfriend worksat the brothel at the end of the

(01:01:32):
street.
We usually have lunch togetherwhen she's there.
Your girlfriend, she's like,he's like yeah, it's just a job
around here.
What do you think?
I think it was just like no bigdeal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Oh, man, I just a job around here, all this
apprehension about admitting itout loud and you're like boring.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Yeah, no, like my whole like experiences so
different than his mind is likeanxious and nervous and, like
you know, coming out of thecloset and his was like, yeah,
whatever, yeah you're.
American Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
You're a bunch of repressed motherfuckers oh
pretty much after working.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Working you know these other countries that
really just owned it.
I was like fuck this.
You know, I'm so tired ofliving and hiding, I'm just
gonna be out there.
This is what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Yep, no, I love it.
I love it.
I think I think one of thelargest crimes that we do as
Americans is the way that werepress sexuality and the way
that we like demonize sex workin general.
And I'm just like, if youliterally just like, let's just
create safe places For people todo full-service sex work.

(01:02:46):
Let's create a mechanism toprotect those sex workers.
Let's come up with likeintellectual property and like
covering medical expenses forcontent creators.
Let's just make it all fine andthe effect that will have on
the consumers of that is Wouldbe so great.

(01:03:07):
Like I think about, like thefrustration I had when I was
like younger, before I was likefinancially capable of being
able to like a purchase andconsume the types of things that
I want that it was like it wasso frustrating and it's a nice
to be able to be like.
I am in particular need of thisparticular type of attention I
can go get right now, because ifthat frustration builds up, I

(01:03:30):
mean poorer and poorer choicesfor myself, like I do more and
more dangerous things, and nowthat I can just like go on loyal
fans and just like be like hey,the person that I follow, can I
give you $50 to say my namewhile you climax.
And they will and I'm happy.

(01:03:52):
I buy shoes, you got your namebeing said while somebody comes
exactly, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah.
So what are some of the?
I guess what is what you guysthink is the weirdest kink that
you've came across so far on theshow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
On the show I'll just yeah, I just came across the
weirdest kink that I've everencountered personally, and I
don't actually think that it wasweird.
It was just like the mostunexpected Interaction that I've
ever had was On my birthday.
I had like made a post to belike hey, it's my birthday, I

(01:04:33):
have a hotel, come Let me eatyou out for my birthday, because
that's my favorite thing.
And a person from Fedlife liketook me up on that offer and
that like slipped into like oneof the more intense like DDLG
dynamic said, been in which islike daddy, dom, little girl
from you who don't know, andWhile we were having sex she
really wanted me to tell herthat like that she was doing

(01:04:57):
really well in school and then,like I was proud of her and that
like now I'm not good, like nowI'm not gonna leave, like the
one that you wanted me torespond is like he was like I
was like you know, it was likeso you're gonna stay now.
So you're gonna stay now, right, and I don't want to say that
it was weird.
That was just like really reallyunexpected, right, yeah, and I

(01:05:19):
stayed with it because I'm likeI could tell like you're working
through something and yeah, and, of course, like if I do it in
Tennessee like that.
Like 25 hours later I'm justlike hey, I'm checking on you
because we, it seems like wewandered into a trauma area.
How you doing, do you meananything?
Yeah, and so that was probablythe most unexpected thing.
The one that's made me laughthe most Probably is a

(01:05:41):
documentary that I watched thatwas about like a gentleman who's
kink was having sex withbuildings, and the documentary
is basically the documentary isbasically like a whole series of
like how the support group likecreated a Scenario where he
could like get that kink out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Oh nice, Maybe something weird is, but what's
the most interesting?
That you're just like oh well,but it sounds like you you've
definitely which could fallunder weird.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
I think I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
I'm struggling.
I'm struggling too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Like I want to say, the most intense one we've
encountered is sounding, but Idon't think that's like weird.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
I think that's the thing is like I'm having trouble
thinking of anything weirdbecause to me, having to keep
myself, I feel like I can alwaysdraw the line back to it.
Well, that makes sense why thisperson has it like it Like.
So like there are things thatstill I don't want to say
anything that would offendanyone, that has any king, but
things that are still like maybeI pinch my leg when I hear it
because I'm like don't make aface, because that's a takes my

(01:06:42):
breath away a little bit.
Sounding was one of those, andyou know people, you know we've
any type of an, you know I likepain, but any type of like
stream, plant pain with likeblood and that kind of stuff is
just like hanging.
Yeah, just like that scar, youknow, like just stuff that's
going to be permanent is is kindof jarring, but I but I again

(01:07:06):
nothing is.
I don't think anyone couldshock me at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
We've had.
We've had peripheraldiscussions about blood play.
I feel like that one's a littlemore shocking for most people.
Yeah, oh, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
You wouldn't so.
So something that I've comeacross just being in the, the
kinkster world, at least for youknow, through fet life and like
going around the United Statesand in other countries doing
this, I have noticed thatgeographical locations kind of
stand out in certain kink areas,and something that I saw in the

(01:07:43):
Pacific Northwest, like one oftheir biggest kinks is blood
vampire play and blood play inthe Northwest.
Yeah, and the Pacific Northwest.
I don't know if it's becauseit's dark and gloomy and wet and
dang.

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
It's because, it's why like it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
why do that's weather ?

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Could be because it could have been like it was
already here and Twilight addedto it.
That's true.
I do remember it being herebefore Twilight.
Yeah, I've definitely have donesome intense blood scenes and,
like I am a, I'm a safe player,so it's like they always have to
go get like all their bloodwork done before we do something
.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
How do you make?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
them, bleed them or me.
So I play well when I did, whenI was bleeding, like honestly,
like how to menstrual cyclecycle, I would do Ruby, ruby
showers as well, nice, yeah.
And then I I have like theseintense fantasies as well with

(01:08:44):
like blood.
I don't know if I'll ever getto axe them out or not, but I
really do hope I get to.
And it's just in a lot of itisn't because blood is the
element like, blood is just thetool that I'm using to do the
edge, cause I don't really careabout blood that much, it's just
the effect of it.
And using that, that substancewill give the edge and the

(01:09:09):
rawness to the the scene thatI'd like to do.
Yeah, like, I want to.
I like, I want to pull, like,as a phlebotomist, pull blood
out of their body and then liketheir own blood and then freeze
it over time, like store it, andthen I want to bathe them in it
.
Yes, please, yeah.

(01:09:30):
So this is like this is theedge factor, right, like, but
it's like I would want to, likeI could probably do that with my
pee too, yeah, yeah.
Let me start my video for youfor a couple of days, no problem
.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I feel like there's probably several people who are
listening to this podcast whoare like raising, like slowly
raising their oh, please take mysign.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Yeah, I'll go get blood right now.
Someone jam.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
What was that Blood?
Is your jam?

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
No no, no, I never, I just never.
I never want to use it.
I never want to yuck someone'syum because, like, just because
I'm not into it, like I am so,like, yeah, enthralled by people
who, like, have their thing,but I wanted to ask you what
yours is like, what's thecraziest thing that you've had?
Because you said earlier thatyou said earlier, I wanted to
know what you'd said no to, orthe people that would come in

(01:10:16):
and think that they could payyou to do these things that you
were like.
No, absolutely no.
I have more or I have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Usually, what I would say no to is if they wanted me
to bottom, I don't know, as longas, like I want to say,
majority of the time I'm up, I'mup for the game.
If I get to be the facilitator,if I get to play because, like
I feel like my, I stand out thebest, if I get to be a female

(01:10:46):
lead, that's my role.
And if I get to play my roleand show up and do my role like
I'm going to do it the best, Ican fucking do it.
You start trying to, like,dictate me and control me, try
to buy me to bottom for you.
No, I don't even bottom thatwell, I'm a really bratty
fucking bottom.

(01:11:06):
I'm like a full on pillowprincess dominating while I'm
bottoming.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Most bottom, most good bottoms are that, though.
We're like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
I know my boundaries are.
I know what I like, I don'tlike.
I know how to ask for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could.
I know that I probably have.
I've soiled a few tops in my,in my dating career.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
That just means they're unworthy there you go.
I was like, look, I have a.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
I've been with bratty bottoms and I'm a bratty top to
be worthy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
You won't have a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
That's the oddest request.
Like I, like I feel like I'vehad like the little talk factors
, like you were talking aboutStephanie, like that face, like
you can tell, like no, you didnot hide the emotion when they
told you, but you're not, likeyou're totally not yucked by it,
you're just like oh whoa.
I was expecting that to be thething we were doing.

(01:12:11):
I've had a different, differentpoints in my, especially in my
career, but just differentpoints and like it was like
dating life, because I told youI charged my husband is sleeping
my bed to sleep next to me.
So one of the first gigs I didwhen I was, I think, 21, 20 or
21 in Seattle it was it was food, but it was like food sensory

(01:12:36):
and he wanted me to smash foodon him, on like his naked body
in the kitchen, like smash, liketomatoes mostly, and like
bananas, like squishy thingsinto him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
And is that for him considered sex, or was there
also sex involved?

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Oh, he was totally aroused by that, if I.
If I remember correctly, he wasjust like all into it.
I don't remember him.
I think he wanted to jerk offand I told him no, we just
agreed on smashing food.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Keep your hands to yourself.
I'm not giving the tomato.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Yeah, I'm sure that he probably would have if I
would have, like if myboundaries were okay at that
moment.
But I just like you know, it'slike one of my first gigs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Yeah, you were like.
You just told me I was smashingtomatoes.
That's all in the bag.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Not you jerking off, oh no, don't do that, yep, yeah.
I'm not but just like, no, I'mnot there for that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
Yeah, it can be.
It can be consensual, that'syeah.
Yes, that's true.
Anything that's not consensualis you, I will say that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Oh for sure, that is definitely there.
And then another request that Igot when I was in Australia
that I was just like kind ofblown away by, like my totally
shocked but at the same timelike, oh my God, this is up my
alley.
I want to do this, but it was aJewish man sticking me out for
race play as like a Germansoldier.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yes, and it, yeah, I fuck up, I heard, I heard about
it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Oh yeah, and when I like when he first told me, I
was like oh my God, this is athing.
And then, of course, like myyou know, my brain starts
rolling with it and I'm like, ofcourse, this is a thing, holy
shit.
This is where the healing comesin.
This is the aspect of where Ican be transformative, with
generational in my role play.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
So you have to be a German soldier to a Jew yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
And like in a role it was, I was in a dungeon at the
time.
I remember that I was workingout of a dungeon and I actually
they had like a kind of asoldier ish costume.
It was that it wasn't German, Ithink.
It was like latex too.
It was totally like sexy, sexyvibes, sexy soldier vibes, and

(01:14:59):
we did a lot of I mean againlike a lot of talking before we
set that up.
Oh, yeah, yeah and did it.
He came back to see me multipletimes after that Just once,
multiple times and he said thathe had been trying to find
people to do this with him tothe capacity that I was doing it

(01:15:21):
.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, people would shy away from it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Oh yeah, I even like at first, was like I should shy
away from this and I'm like thisisn't once in a lifetime,
bullsh**t man.
However, I'm to find out it'snot as rare as you think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
No, I'm looking at one.
I've been looking for my wholelife to find somebody who will
dress up in a clown clan outfitand say mean things to me.
I've been waiting for that fora long time.
Oh my God, you give me thechair.
There's my face.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
No, no, no, it gives me the chills, because I have
also wanted to do these kinds ofscenes to that level.
Like it's really like I want.
Like I want controversial sh**when it comes to my erotica.
I like I've asked a few of myfriends of color to do something
, to do those kinds of sceneswith me and photographs, and

(01:16:14):
they're like you know that, likeyou're going to get, you're
going to get talked about, likeI don't care.
So what?
Like we we've fetishized this,we taboo, we make a taboo, we
put it on the shelf and we don'ttalk about this sh**.
Yeah, but it's happening aroundus.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah, I landed on it.
I landed on it accidentally,like it's probably not like the
best way that it ever happened,like I was in a racial
degradation scene because theperson I was blowing was racist
and fortunately I'm, likephysically safe.
So it's not like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
They were actually racist yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
And I was like, but I can take him.
So if, like, he really wantedto, like, try to actually harm
me, we were going to be fine.
But like, and so it was justlike I was I was blowing him and
then like, as he got more andmore into it, like you know,
slave owner stuff came in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
You're like, oh, you're racist, yeah, and like
yeah like it was blind a little,a little red flaggy at first,
but then it was definitely inyour face.
I think about it every day.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
Let me ask a question in a perfect world, though,
that when you're searching forsomething like that, are there
red flags that, like youwouldn't really want a true
racist person to play with.
Right, like we like safetymeasures, like when we've got
like an audience listening, likeyou would want someone who is a
right or no, or you want thefull real.
So I want you to have theseactual feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
This is a great question.
So if you are listening andcertain in searching for this,
it is unsafe for you to seeksomeone who is prejudiced
against you to enter into thedegradation scene for.
Don't do it.
Thank God, I did it and it wasawesome.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
But it happened unintentionally.
It happened unintentionally.
Yeah, I was right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
I didn't think that was like.
I thought it was just like aregular blow job, and then, as
it progressed, yes, I could tellthat like he's wanted to do
this for a while and when he didit I was receptive to it and
like it just continuedescalating, like I played into
the whole thing and we were fineand I could tell when we were
done like he like felt bad aboutit and so like, in a perfect

(01:18:22):
world there are.
In a perfect world, there is a,there's a, there's a white man
out there that just also is inthe racial degradation, who is
atop and has no way of lettingthat out, and I am a black man
who's in the racial degradation,is the bottom, and we found
each other Right and you know,you know, in a perfect world,

(01:18:43):
that's what occurred, right itis the Disney version.
Yeah, it is.
I would say it's more likelythat he's grown up with, like,
certain types of prejudices andthings and like just has that
Fetishization and then he got tolet it out at that time because
he's half my size and I Likeagain, if he really was trying

(01:19:03):
to do anything, I just pick himup and throw him somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
You were asking if it would be safe to do it with
somebody who's actually realracial, racist or not.
Don't know if, like, we couldeven just remove the word race
out of it or racism out of itand and just point out the mere
fact that Sex and dating isn'tnecessarily a safe sport.
I I'll even say when, when Ihad way more fucked up

(01:19:32):
encounters when I was dating,when there wasn't an Asking
tribute involved and wasn'tdoing it as like a professional
Mistress than I did as aprofessional mistress.
As soon as I made it moretransactional and more
business-like, I had way moresafety right there and I was
also doing screenings andbackground checks, where you

(01:19:53):
don't always do that with onlinedating, and I've definitely
been in some fucked upsituations where that weren't
consensual and so and that'swhere and that's where sex can.
That's when we don't have sexeducation, when we have all of
this Shame and this culturalRepression around it.

(01:20:15):
This is the fuck, the fuckingshit that comes up assaults, a
rape, us fetishizing this stuffand not having safe outlets to
go and explore it or evenunderstand it right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Yeah, I'm glad we're having you over another.
So because I have a thousandmore questions to ask you,
especially now, because I thinkyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Excited about doing it again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
I think we have a episode like talking about
racial degradation, that likedidn't play well enough to put
up.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
Yeah, I had like stomach issues first, seven days
after.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
I will say that that was not the first scene that I
had done like that.
That was like.
That was probably like eightyears ago now, I will say.
In the United States I mostlywork with young black male Meals
.
Yeah, I mean like you a few, afew, a few black, few black
women as well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Yeah, I understand the appeal.
I've subscribed to several ofyour things.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Yeah, I was told when I had a business partner that
we were not allowed to do anysort of race play what so ever
with my production company.
And as soon as these left, Iwas like fuck that shit.
I want to do a kidnapping scenewhere I kidnapped a black lady,
black trans lady how about that?
And like, oh my god, he's justeven saying that like I, like I

(01:21:32):
had so many people go, youshouldn't do that.
I'm like why not see?
I think we fuddish size aboutit.
We don't talk about it, or theway that we do talk about it is
in this scary realm or Newscapswhere they get murdered and shit
, but we're not talking abouthow people fudish eyes about
this shit.
Yeah, and the people areactually aroused by this shit.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
Yeah, and I would rather, I would rather going and
dawn they become cops.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
I was literally said what I was about to say.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
I was.
I was just like I would.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
I would much rather people just get this out like in
a kinky fetish way.
Say then space to do it andpeople dying on the streets
because they're.
It's coming out sideways and Iwas just like you got it I
understand why, like nevermindWe'll, we, let's please, let's
talk about this again, oh yeah,we can play.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
We can totally talk about it again if we would like.
I had any interesting requeststhat lately that was kind of
along those lines, were likealong the ways, like that was
one of the Face-dropping.
Oh, I did get one guy whowanted me to Hug, tie him and
invite all my friends over andpretend like I was having a
hog's feast.
And he was, he was our hug andwe would eat him.

(01:22:42):
But we wouldn't really eat himbut we would, you know, like
pretend, cut him and he'd hearcenterpiece on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
So funny.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Yeah, you know comments about how tasty or how
bitter he is or whatever it is.
He looked like a pig too.
That was the funny thing, yeahwe got a flat nose, or that one.
We, he only, he only did theconsultation for that.
He didn't actually book me forit.
But that was like when hebooked me, like was in the
process of booking me, I waslike, oh my god, I hope I can
make this one come true, likethis sounds so much fun a feast

(01:23:15):
out of a human pig.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Yeah, that's so great .
Any any last questions forMonday, or Monday for any of us
for this for this time around,before we come back to next time
around.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
No, I'm excited about doing it again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Yeah, I have too many .
I'm just gonna wait for thenext one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Okay, write him down.
Write him down.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Let's pick up, I already left off.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
That would be lovely.
Ladies and gentlemen, these andthems, all you sexy bees, thank
you so much for turning intuning into this episode of talk
dirty to me with Monday Jones.
Monday, where can we find youon the internet?

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Oh, I have my instagram and twitter and then
they're both on my website atMondayjonescom.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Mondayjonescom on the internet.
Everybody go check it out.
She'll be back with us nextweek because we have a million
more questions Million andplease see it works if you fill
out the form on our website, Itry to make your wishes come
true.
So if you go to talk dirty tome Dot com, talk dirty to me,
pod.
I've forgotten our website.

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Oh, no, Little renegade filmsyes it's none of those little
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Go to podcast.
Click on talk dirty to me atthe top You'll see a form you
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If there's a kink you want usto talk about, if there's a
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(01:24:56):
all.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
Get our kids on in a consensual way.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
It's actually sexy work.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Let's all do some sexy work, some spicy work.
Bye.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
Bye, bye.
Talk.
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Why don't you sound real sexy?

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
while you do it, do I know, why don't you?
Oh, why don't I?

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
yeah, like you remember how you read your
Synopsis and yeah, oh, you wantme to do it like that?

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