S2E8 (Monday Jones) - Racial Degradation Deep Dive - Talk Dirty To Me

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, well, well, go ahead and open up your ears,
your mind and whatever else youneed.
You're listening to Talk DirtyTo Me.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, all you sexy, sexy beasts, Welcome back to
Talk Dirty To Me, the podcastwhere a bunch of friends with a
bunch of friends with a bunch ofdifferent perspectives on kink,
fetish and sex talk Dirty ToOne Another.
And this is part two of ourMonday Jones episode.
Monday Jones is back with usand we got Tosin the kink oracle
on the microphone today.
I forgot our whole intro.

(00:43):
I just realized that now.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I didn't introduce anybody last time, I know this
as well, but they know who weare right now.
They know who we are.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, it's fine, we're the same people.
We didn't go anywhere yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Last time we chatted with Monday, we were taking a
delightful jaunt down kinkdegradation lane and we hit one
of my favorites that I never getto talk about, which?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
is what.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
And I've never like encountered another person who's
like experienced with it, andthat is raci.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Or willing to talk about it, or willing to talk
about it, it's racialdegradation.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
So for everybody who just freaked out listening, I'm
black, it's fine, we're going tobe okay.
All right, everybody take adeep breath, we're going to be
fine.
Everybody take a deep breath.
If you're listening, yourbuttholes got real clenched up.
All right, it's fine.
The thing that I want everybodyto keep in their head when
we're talking about this is ithas become very common in kink

(01:33):
conversations for you know,women to be submissive and enjoy
being beat by men, which is aproblem.
Domestic violence wise, butfine.
Kink in the bedroom wise.
We've like, we've had thatdiscussion.
We've worked through thatdiscomfort.
The same thing applies fromwhat we're talking about here.
I understand, we all knowracism is bad.

(01:53):
It shouldn't be mean to peoplebecause of the color of their
skin.
But there are fun parts to itthat feel good, the power
dynamic that is fun to playaround with oh, I need
temperatures already rising.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm taking up my hoodie.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Check off the hoodie.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, and you are right.
You are right.
It's in this subculture thathas been developed with BDSM and
kink, we've made a lot of thesethings that aren't politically
correct.
We've fetishized them andexploited them in different ways
, and when you talk outside ofthe subculture of BDSM about

(02:35):
something like a big black cock,it gets thrown in your face
that the word black is beingbrought into it.
Like wait, wait, wait, yeah,like how dare me?
I have a whole drawer full ofbig black cocks.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I got a couple in a bag and attached to me.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, I attached to you.
I mean I think I ended with abang by saying something like oh
, I would wanting to like make akidnapping movie where I kidnap
a trans black woman, and thatwas probably like a smack in the
face for some people to hear.
It's at the same time, likethese, like I was saying, like

(03:11):
these are things that we're nottalking about.
We have, like, in sex work,they have the highest murder
rate with trans black women.
Don't quote me on thisstatistic, because this is a
statistic I looked up like yearsago as well.
I would feel like it's stillprobably fairly high, though I
don't know, and something tellsme it probably has something to
do with a lot of shame, guiltand judgment around, especially

(03:33):
like the people, the Johns goingand seeing these, this group of
providers in the sex world.
That's what I could come upwith.
And so what about?
So?
What about you?
What about it?
I mean, those stats aside yourfantasy specifically about
kidnapping a trans black woman.

(03:54):
I think my fantasy about thatis more about just the shock
factor oh my God, she did thatthat kind of factor.
I still want to do a kidnappingscript.
It's in the works right now.
It is not a.

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The victim is not black, it'snot a trans woman either, but I
do have a counterpart in thescript that is a black woman and
her and I do play some.
We poke fun at each other insome racial ways, especially
with me being Native Americanand her being black.

(04:36):
So we're also.
We also know that we're doingit in a safe environment with a
film that is dedicated to Kingcan BDSM and it's going to film
festivals also dedicated to Kingcan BDSM.
Yeah, but yeah, I think that myfantasy around it was just more
of like let me get the off fromthe people.

(04:56):
Yeah, but this, this shit, isreal, and I have to tell you
something that was really funny.
After a week ago, after weended our recording with that
bang, right, I do, I do nightflirt, which is sex, sex, what
is it?
Phone sex or whatever.
Every call that I had betweennow and then was all about

(05:18):
racial and interracial sex.
What Really so, okay, I waslike what the hell was the
energy out there?
And they just knew I would bewilling to do this.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So they felt the call from the soul and knew that you
were the place to go.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
They're like my time is now.
I can feel it.
Dial the number, Dial thenumber.
So I didn't even know racialdegradation was a thing.
Oh yeah, until recently,because I'm you know, I'm
relative.
I feel like everything's athing, isn't it?
This is what I'm learningEverything is a thing.
And I and I had neverconsidered, yeah, racial

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degradation before, and now itseems like it's a huge
subculture and nobody talksabout it because it's so taboo,
it's so taboo.
It must be hard to find too.
I like I wonder if there'ssomebody out there that's like
oh my God, I have a kink right.
Like they just thought theywere a racist asshole or
something, but it turns outthey're like oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I mean, I honestly I feel bad for like.
If there's like a white, thisman that's out there who's kink
is being a racial degradationtop, I don't, I don't know how
he's going to make it Like andand like genuinely a good person
, like a good person in life.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, like I was like I don't know what you find,
Monday Jones, you find there'sone magical person out there for
you that you can.
You know, if he's a top, he'sgot to find a.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
he's got to find a black person who wants to be oh
yeah, that's harder, hold on.
And then I'm like, how do yougo?
How do you go about that?
Find me Hi, I'll do it.
How do you know about that?
Listen to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know, I think I think it goes both ways, right?
You know, there's the personthat wants to be peed on and the
person that wants to pee onthem, and then they find each
other.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, and then you put it out in the universe.
It shows up Apparently.
I I mean every phone call off anight's last week was like one
of the calls.
He wanted me to pick him offthe plantation or pick him out
of a lineup for my plantationand I was just like, oh my gosh,
oh my gosh, this is where we'regoing.
Okay, we have five minutes, allright, let's go yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And I so you know, in probably through the episode I
spent some time being like howdo we get here?
What do I like about it?
I was like I think it's thething.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, I was going to ask you.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
So I.
So the first.
The first thing was I was likeokay, why do people like being?
Why is it a sexy time to dodegradation scenes in the first
place?
So I've done it both as a topand a bottom.
And okay.
So I was thinking about itdegradation wise, why do I like
it?
I've done it both as top of thebottom.
So as a top it's usually as aservice thing, right, like I can

(08:03):
tell that that is the way thata person drops into, like
silencing their whatever noisesaround them, like that is the
way that it does, that does itfor them and so being made to
feel small being raciallydegradated like quiet their mind
for this one.
I'm talking about degradation ingeneral.
So like, okay, quiet, so mine.

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And it's just like you know, ifyou know, I'm in a situation
where someone is telling me thatI'm worthless and I'm only good
for this thing and I'm like apiece of shit and I should be
licking toilets like, and I canlike commit to that.
Then, like, all of the worriesof my life are gone, like I'm
just to be used for this thing.
So that's, delivering thatpiece to someone is pleasant to

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me.
On the other side, it's it'sfor like.
For me it has to being degradedin general, not racially.
Is does it two things?
One is the same.
It's just like if you're beingmean to me, then I can like kind
of like quiet my whole brainand then I'm just experiencing
that.
I also enjoy the dichotomy,because my personal favorite is

(09:07):
being able to masturbate whilebeing degraded in, because that
means the person who's degradingme is also paying attention to
the fact that I'm like I'm likeI'm being attended to while I'm
masturbating and there's thisfun game in my head.
It was like, well, you'resaying all these mean things,
that I'm disgusting, but you'restill here watching me do this.
I enjoy that dissonance a lot,and the other, the other half of

(09:31):
it, is like I spent a lot of mytime where people were being
like tactful in their rejectionof me and it made more sense in
my head that I was like well, itwould.
Just it feels more like youwish you could call me like a
fat bitch and that's why youdon't want to talk to me, and so
being able to like externalizethat experience feels a lot

(09:51):
better to me.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Wait, and so you externalize it.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Wait.
So if somebody's rejecting you,you would prefer that they
racially degrade you instead ofreject you Like.
Is that my understanding?
Yes, that's how you externalizeit.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Still talk.
Still talk about justdegradation in general.
But, yes, so like when I wasyounger, I got rejected a lot
and then it was all the thingsthat was like it's not you, it's
me and I don't know.
I'm just not in a place ofreligion right now.
All these different things,which easily could all be true.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
But really what you wanted was you're disgusting, I
was just like I have no interestin you.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
It felt as painful as if someone was saying that
Right, and so now to have theexperience of like externalizing
that and being like in asituation where my rejection is
this very, very cruel thing thatjust feels nice to do, to like
to climax, to like externalizingthat experience.
And then an added benefit whenit is someone that I know and I

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care about, I very, very muchenjoy the dissonance of like.
For example, you and I, whohave been friends for 10 years,
to go into a place where wecommit to being really awful to
each other is, in its own way, abeautiful extension of our

(11:07):
friendship.
Right that we're so tight thatwe can play a scene where we are
being convincingly awful toeach other, or an accepting
awfulness and like.
That feels romantic andbeautiful to me.
So, with that foundation ofdegradation, having that being

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like I, like all of those levelups that come from the
dissonance of that, you know youtake it to another level with
racial degradation, which islike the same type of thing,
like it's like.
I've experienced many situationsin my life where people are
being racist to me, I, I, andthey're hiding in there, not
being real about the situation.
It would be very nice toexternalize that experience in

(11:48):
its entirety.
Doing it with people who I know, who care about me and are not
racist, who can commit to doingthat in a, you know, ridiculous
and violent and wild way, willbe fun to climax to like.
Inside of that.
That human dissonance iswonderful and I think a lot of
it has to do with like peoplewho are.

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A thing that I've noticed withreally kinky people is that they
enjoy novel intensities and so,like most kinky people, I know
the things they did 10 years agowere way less intense than the
things they do now.
Because you keep searching forthis like new dissonance to

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experience to climax.
And so that's since.
Racial degradation is thistaboo that a lot of people are
not into.
I offer myself a whole newworld of like types of
intensities and dissonances Ican get into because everybody's
scared of it, and so that'sappealing to me, and just the
way that I process thingsemotionally, like I'm going to
have a great time If, if I'm notmaking you uncomfortable, we

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can get as bad as you want.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
And you said some key words there, like consent and
like feeling safe with theperson, like those are.
Those are key things on playingin any at any spectrum of this,
like at, or any like level ofit consent.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Like, please agree about it, Be honest with
yourself, right?
So, like you know, I tellpeople that I'm in degradation
scenes with like don't make funof my teeth, right, because
breaks past the enjoyment partthat hits for some reason.
It hits a corner that I'm likenow I do feel made fun of and I
don't like I can't separate thatwe're playing a game and so

(13:39):
know those things about yourselfor if that the or the finding
your voice or your boundariesbefore going into a scene like
that and feeling good aboutbeing like oh, I'm, oh, I'm not
having fun anymore especially asa bottom like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I'm trying to think about.
What is it that I like aboutdegradation scenes just in
general, or humiliation, becauseI kind of I feel like they kind
of go, kind of go a little bithand in hand, right.
And then, what is it about theracial part?
So I don't think I personallywould have.
I don't think I personallywould have decided to play in

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the race part If it wasn't forsomebody else bringing it to my
attention.
I don't think it would havebeen a place that I personally
would have gone to on my own.
But I don't know, because itwas.
It was approached to me firstbefore I went there.
But I will say you're so correcton the, the people who have
been playing like been doingthis for a long time.

(14:37):
The novelty does wear off.
Again.
You do start looking for theharder edge, the.
You look for how far, how farcan we push it?
I have a copy over here that'steething on me.
I'm talking is there's agateway kink?
And eventually you work yourway up, just like drugs.
Just like drugs, that's true,yeah, yeah.

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But degradation, I think, for me.
I was, I was raised with it.
So I mean I'm just going toprobably say, I hypothesize that
my degradation has a lot to dowith just my nature, nurture of
how I was raised.
I watched my mom constantlyDagger, get my father in front
of us, just you know, and call,call him names, you know when

(15:23):
she was pissed or upset or ifthey were fighting.
Oh yeah, my parents didn't hidemuch from us growing up.
So it's like I, I saw, I wasprobably you know, I witnessed a
domestic violence, a majorityof my home life being brought up
, and I'm saying that supercasual as well, cause I didn't
know any different.
Yeah, I didn't know it was.

(15:44):
That was abnormal, that wasjust.
That was just my home.
That's how people were with oneanother.
Yeah, it's like if they weremad or if I'm well, if they're
mad, they screamed, they yelled,they threw things.
There wasn't a lot of likeemotional, emotional maturity in
my home, so I'm sure that a lotof like even my the gateway

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into BDSM.
I thought it was normal.
In a way, I do I I'm wondering.
I find this is like a relativelyuneducated statement.
In my experience as far, I findthat people want specific kinks
they experienced in a traumaticway in their youth and I would
love to know the science behindthat, or like the brain, like

(16:29):
what, like you escaped aterrible situation and now you
go seek that situation out in asafe capacity.
You know, I would like to seethat too, but we're going to
have to probably also see sexwork come to a point society
where it's more susceptible andaccepted and and where people
can actually put together casestudies showing this.

(16:52):
This is something like this isactually one of my next writing
assignments is to start puttingtogether these case studies of
people that I've been workingwith over the last decade and
how we've been able to workthrough this nature nurture shit
.
That's fucked us up.
Right the Corp.
Punishment to children tospanking, right for as a

(17:15):
punishment, working through thatshit as an adult, and how BDSM
can be the catalyst for that.
But but we don't have.
We don't.
I'm working in a world thatdoesn't even have regulations,
where I have to be in hiding andMajority of the population
doesn't even take my workserious.
It boggles of mine because Ifeel like if it was, a safe

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space was created, like thequantity of facts and healing
and you know mental processes,it's just the information that
would come to light by allowingit to be studied in In a health
way.
It's just like the secrets thatare hidden behind the behind
kinky doors.
When I just decide.
Western medicine a little fuckedup though.

(18:01):
We're just getting to the pointwhere and even though in
psychology, mindfulness istaught in Western psychology but
we don't fixate on it, we fixon the talk part, we forget
about the mindfulness, thesomatic part.
And they just started comingout with case studies where
we're a neuroscientist I can'tremember his name right now, but

(18:22):
he started doing MRIs ofpeople's brains at the beginning
of Doing mindfulness, ofpsychotherapy, so doing talk
therapy plus the mindful.
They would do an 18 monthprogram and they would actually
take a picture of the brain atthe beginning of the 18 months
and Then see how it developed atthe end of it.
With just adding mindfulnessinto talk therapy.

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Now think about if you actuallyadded the role playing or the
acting out, the Physicality toit on how fast that would speed
up the process of, like therewiring.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Or if we use plant medicine to and not just fucking
prescriptions to block out therewiring of the brain, my own
personal success of like Eatingpeople out while they talk
through things, plus thescientific success of EMDR.
Right in EMDR is this idea oflike tapping your body while you
talk through certain trauma sothat you can really social in

(19:17):
areas Like how is it not in anobvious next jump that people
come up with mechanisms for kingtherapy to work through
particular traumas?
Because, like my Hypothesis forwhy it is so prevalent that
people, people's kings usuallyare born out of traumas that
they had, is the theory that Irun with about human beings in

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general is that we are, we are athousand piece puzzle pieces
and you know one of those puzzlepieces in black and those
puzzle pieces I play piano.
One of those puzzle pieces is Ihave a deep voice and the.
Usually the problem and in mostissues that arise in human
existence Comes from a poorgrouping of puzzle pieces that

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shouldn't be grouped togetherLike you shouldn't make it
within one puzzle, you mean or?
things like between look at thepuzzle piece that says I'm black
and Then you think that means Ihave 26 other puzzle pieces,
when that puzzle piece does notdecide anything else.
So funny of your other.
So I think about that also withlike traumatic experiences.
Right, there's a lot of thingsthat happened in them and so,

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like the like, my go-to racialdegradation fantasy is, you know
, either working somewhere orbeing an employee employee of a
racist boss that I know isracist, who's like mad at his
mad at his wife, and becausehe's upset, he's like starts

(20:45):
being like increasingly more andmore rude to me and Getting to
the point where he's likestarting to say, like racial
slurs and all these things abouthow I'm doing a bad job, I get
upset with him about it and belike it was like, hey, you can't
talk to me like that, and thenhe kind of like kicks me down
and like, because you can't getthat from his wife and so that

(21:10):
the the dissidents of like heneeds like the service I'm going
to provide orally Becausethat's not what he's getting and
he feels like he can take itBecause he feels superior to me
as a white person, right, likethat's like one of my go-to
fantasies.
I think about that Like autoerection, super into it yeah, I

(21:31):
would pay somebody money to pullit off right now.
And I think about why, likewhat, why, what about all that
is good, right, like?
I've been in situations wherepeople get upset and when I try
to stand up for myself, theyimmediately jump to racial slurs
.
That's not fun, right, that'snot fun to do in real life,
especially not an employedsituation.
I don't like most of the puzzlepieces involved with that.

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I do like the Power dynamicshift, right Like there's there.
There's a puzzle piece that'sinvolved in the situation where
I find myself Actually powerlessbecause this person has enough
power over me to like makedecisions for me.
That's why it's in a jobsituation, because it's like I
don't lose my job.
So there's certain things I'mnot gonna do.

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I enjoy that game, that onepuzzle piece of it.
I don't like the other 99 whereI'm gonna lose my job and I'm
gonna have money and I'm gonnado the thing and so, and then,
you know, I take the situationof being like you know, you know
, for kick down and forcefullyFacebook's right, I'm a tiny bit
of a masochist.
I enjoy Pain.
So there's another puzzle pieceI can add I I'm orally fixated

(22:36):
like I super, super enjoyAnything I'm gonna do with the
world sex.
There's another puzzle piecethere.
I like servicing sexualdesperation in general, right.
So you know, my favorite sexualexperiences that I can think of
usually have to deal withFulfilling a fantasy or a need
that somebody desperately neededfixed or at that point in time.

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So you take all those puzzlepieces together and like an
enraged, racially motivatedovertaking to get a release that
they needed.
Via my oral fixation are sixpuzzle pieces that in the, in
the real-life scenario wherethat would happen, come with
Thousands of women that are bad,that I don't want.

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But if I could create ascenario where I kind of just
keep all of the things that Iwould enjoy, I want to do that
right.
And especially if the reason Irealized I like those puzzle
pieces is because of severaldifferent types of traumatic
experiences, then it's also.
It's also an uncomfortablefeeling again, speaking for

(23:38):
myself, not speaking for otherpeople as an uncomfortable
feeling to have a traumaticexperience, especially a
sexually dramatic experience,and there be a pieces of it that
you're like.
I really, really liked it.
Right, get out.
I'm speaking from experience,one like I found myself in a
situation where I don't know Ifthis person was, like you know,

(23:59):
from a good place, engaging inright racial degradation.
I don't know if I was just likehate crime in place.
I was at.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Or not like.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I was physically.
I felt physically safe becausethe person smaller than me and
if, like it, really wanted toescalate, I could deal with the
situation and there was no waythey could have brought like
weapons into the area we were in.
But you know that person couldhave followed me home that
person.
There's lots of situations thatcould have happened.
It could have been bad.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, and you know I walk away from the situation
being like that was bad or couldhave been bad, but I loved it.
I'm gonna think about this dayfor the rest of my life and that
discipline is interesting.
So then that becomes like, well, I should just go ahead and
create scenarios safely to in,to feel that, to feel what I

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felt, rather than Environment.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
My question for you is do you and this is, somebody
had asked me this at one onetime, so that's why I'm in I it
came around to ask you Do youthink that you liked it and got
aroused because the the personInitiated in it was aroused and
you were in passing the arousal,or do you think it was

(25:16):
genuinely yours?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Oh, it in the scenario I'm talking about,
where I didn't know it was hatecrime night is genuinely mine.
It was genuinely because I'vebeen in situations before like
you know, grinder, it happens alot where they'll still go there
.
They'll be like oh, are yougonna be?
Are you gonna be my little, mylittle black slave boy?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
and I'm like like and I can tell that they're into it
like I can.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I can feel that this is what I've been waiting for
all my life and I'm like, yeah,yeah, you like.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
You can make so much money.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Sure, I don't know.
You know, slaves generallydon't make the money.
That was a bad joke, everybody.
But you know, in that situationit was like I think it's
because it was coupled with thething that I enjoy the month
most right, which is thedissonance of this person is
masking, probably, their youknow, repressed homosexuality,

(26:13):
and they're they're, they'remasking it with, like, oh, I
hate them doing this.
I'm only doing this to takeadvantage of you and you like,
you, like this white dick, don'tyou?
You little n-word boy, and likeall this, like I can tell that
they're using that to make itokay that they're actually
Experiencing something that theyreally wanted to experience for
a long time, as they'd likehaving a sexual encounter with

(26:36):
another man, and so thatdissidence is, with my favorite,
like that's the game that Ilove, the most.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, and that, and you and you said also the power,
the, the dynamic shift is, likeyou know, culturally you find
yourself in that situation.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
You're already like you kind of have to be
submissive in real life.
If a white person starts beingracist to me in public, I have
to defer to them, or it becomesa much more dangerous situation
and and so that mechanism likethat code switch implemented
sexually, is like Fun.

(27:16):
It's more fun than having to doit in real life.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Oh, yeah, yeah, you get to do it in a safe
environment.
You get to act it out, you getto use.
You get to use these, not PClanguage.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, safely and that's a few too.
It's like it is freeing.
A joke that I make all the timeis.
I was like, if I Let all whitepeople say the n-word, can I
pick another thing that whitepeople can stop doing?
Do not be racist, because thatone's not that big a deal, right
, or?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Oh, you're like you're trading.
Everybody can say the n-word.
If you stop doing this otheractually racist thing that
nobody's about it or anybody I'mdoing yeah you got it.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Or like I was like no , I please.
I was like everybody.
Stop telling Racist peoplewhat's racist, just like.
So let's talk about anymore, sowe can just know.
Everybody say what they meanand think, please, just so we
can catch it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, let's get it out there and it's like you know
, I have to.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I have to convince a lot of people in the real world
because they're used to PCculture that like nah for real
the old man in gas stations walkup to my, my black family and
they're like get out of here, wedon't like you around these
parts, stop, so that reallyhappens in real life.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Oh yeah, that really does happen.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I was like and I wish that it was just like oh you
know, if I have to play thatgame Clothed at a gas station,
let's just do.
Let's have way more fun doingit.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
That's a great way to look at it.
Yeah, it's also your way offucking racism exactly, exactly.
All right so.
So degradation I was mentioningdegradation and kind of
humiliation go together, did,and we were also just talking
about how, when entering intothe cake world, the people kind
of tread lightly right.

(29:09):
They start slowly.
So did you start withhumiliation Before degradation
came into play, or do they?
Do they mix for you as well?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
So I think like my journey into like doing
degradation stuff as a top wasbecause People like cared about
it, wanted it right, and I, youknow, I just started and same
thing I started at like from thetop side.
I started off pretty tame.
I was like you're, you're a badgirl, you got to do with.
Daddy wants right.
And now I'm fully comfortablebeing like You're the worthless

(29:40):
piece of shit that I'm nevergonna talk to any again and I
don't look at me, don't talk tome, and if you want to eat today
, Coming up with better right.
And so, and just like gettingbeing able to go to like meaner
and meaner and meaner places asa bottom, I just found myself
being like you know, oh, I enjoy.
You know, you know, j O I'sthat.

(30:02):
Have you know?
Small penis humiliation in it,I enjoy.
Now I enjoy you know what's ajoke off instructions, which
Monday you have an excellent one, yeah, and the you know.
And then, like I've had, I hada friend who does content and

(30:25):
and they were like, and I waslike they had done one that was
had like Some racial tinge is toit.
That were just like, oh, youjust want white girls to be
looking at you.
Whoa, I got one of the one ofthe Content pieces I've made
getting pegged by one of my myfriends, who I've known since
middle school.
You know we play with that alot and like it was like you,

(30:46):
like this white girl sitting onyour face, and like you're be a,
be a good little black boy,bend over for me, right, and
like that's fairly tame right.
It was just kind of like yeah,I am white, you are black.
We are mentioning that while wedo this we are Boy.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
That stuff sells, though, on the amateur corn.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Is like half my size, and so there's like zero out
there for like relatively smallwhite woman pegging a very large
black man, a big black man.
People like it.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's really gold if people could get that.
Hold that.
Yep, well, I got the black.
So, casey, do you likedegradation and humiliation, or
is this an area that, like, isnot for you top or bottom Like?
Oh no, I love to top it.
I don't, though I don't knowhow to get into it.
You like, you would want to topit, but you don't know how to
get into it.

(31:43):
Is that what I heard?
Yeah, okay, you want to top it,but you don't know how to get
into it.
Okay, well, while we weretalking about it, I was thinking
of a book that I read and Ipulled it off my bookshelf
because it's right in front ofme.
It's called Enough to Make youBlush Exploring Erotic
Humiliation, and it's byPrincess Kylie, and she is a

(32:04):
pro-dom.
She actually does, she's agreat pro-dom.
She does financial domination,humiliation and degradation.
She puts on like dom classes aswell.
I'm like promoting her a littlebit here while we're talking,
but it's a great book to getbroken into or get introduced to
humiliation and degradation asan erotic tool in the bedroom or

(32:29):
outside the bedroom.
Okay, I'm gonna find that book.
Enough to make you blush.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I feel like there's a lot of people who would love to
figure out a safe avenue to getout and experience certain
things that they want, but theonly thing you're gonna get in
front of you, the most taboothing, that's mainstream, that's
easy to find right now is stepsof blinking things, which is

(32:57):
just like it's an incest, camewith extra steps and I was just
like everybody just did it.
I was like just admit it, let'sstop playing around, all right,
nobody.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I love it when porn producers hit me up on that one.
I see that you do kinky content.
Well, you do a step sister orstep son stuff.
I'm like that's not kinky to me, no, that's just some vanilla
sex with us using somesupposedly incestual words.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, and I was just like.
You know what I was like.
I was made to joke withsomebody.
I was like people don't likesteps of everything porn because
they're in incest.
People like steps of everythingporn because they were into
convenience.
I was just like the reason it'sappealing is because being like
I'm gonna have sex with liveshere.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's just right there , just already right there.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I have to get on the wall.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
It's convenient, it's convenient until it's
inconvenient.
Right yeah, I have aconvenience kink.
I remember when I did someonline dating, like years ago, I
wouldn't date anybody that wasmore than three miles away from
my house.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
I mean right.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So I guess I was into a little bit of a convenience
kink, I mean you and yourgrinder have me spoiled, you
know I.
Oh God, we'll grind her Justnext door, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
It was like 4,000 feet away.
No, that's a little too far.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I gotta get my car for that one.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm not waiting for it to have been in three to get
here.
It's too long.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
That's too long.
What have?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
you done by then.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
So do you online date ?
Do you have?
Or maybe I should ask what yourdating preferences?
Are you monogamous,non-monogamous?
Yeah, any of both of you.
Are you guys?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, so Mike.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Want to answer the question.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Mike is.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
She's turned the tables.
I know I did a little bit.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Mike's configuration is what I like to call behind
the veil configuration, though.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Behind the veil.
Okay, what does that?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
mean.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
What's your situation ?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
ship I have a partner that we've been with for eight
years.
We got two kids.
We lived together.
When we got together, we werelike non-monogamous poly as we
went through things and healingshappened and mental health
issues arose.
It became difficult for them tohear about the extracurricular
activities.
There's a rough period of meleaving partners that I've been
with for a while, and so thecurrent situation that we're in

(35:14):
right now is you do whatever youwant.
Please let's wrap a veil aroundthe house and our family and
our kids To the best of yourability.
Just make we'll just play thescene out that you're not seeing
anybody as much as you can,I'll be reasonable about it, but
other than that, do whateveryou want, Be safe, don't get us

(35:34):
killed or anything like that.
And so with that you knowprobably I've got like a couple
partners that I see regularlythat are outside of that just
roaming around for people withtheir bits in their mouth Is
that you, casey, are your bitsin your mouth.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Your oral fixations Feed it.
We want to experience the worldthrough your mouth.
I get it.
So, casey, are you monogamousor non-monogamous?
You know that's a greatquestion.
I mean, I'm still figuring itout.
Well, you know, most of my lifewas pretty dictated by societal
norms, you know.
So, most of my relationshipsuntil this point have been

(36:09):
monogamous and some monogamous.
But in starting this podcastand being an adult, I'm like
maybe I should try at the momentmonogamy or polyamory or
something, I don't know.
I think it depends on theperson that I end up seeing or
whatever.
But also my opinion of menright now is pretty bleak.
So, oh, a little jaded about,they're a god damn animal.

(36:34):
Yeah, they're all.
Yeah, humans can be nastypeople, for sure, and those ones
that usually are the oppositesex can be the ones we want to
throw fists at that we can getin the air.
They're like oh, why do youfrustrate me?
Do you mostly date men too?
Then I do.
I wish I was gay or bi, butyou're not, you're straight.

(36:58):
It is not consensual that I amstraight, but I am straight.
Yeah, I've tried it on severaltimes.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
But this is no, I'm non-consensual straight, I did,
I tried it once.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I tried it once, and in the middle of it I was like
oh, I'm straight, I've learned alot about myself in this moment
.
But sometimes I fantasize aboutwomen Like I would like.
I don't have a relationshipwith women, but I would like get
down with a woman.
That seems reasonable to me,though, but the idea of
partnering with one seems justnot fulfilling for me in that

(37:28):
fashion.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I mean that kind of is similar to me from my
same-sex attractions.
I don't know that I've runacross a man that I have a crush
on and want to build a lifewith, and I don't know what that
.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I haven't met one either.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I think it's a common problem Same, and so I was like
does that?
Mean I'm not gay and I'm likeno, it just means most men suck
my whole political platform.
If I ever become president isOK.
The day I become president, I'msigning an executive order.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
When you become president Tosen, when you become
president, We'll see how thisgoes Signing it.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I'll write you on a ballot Signing an executive
order that all men, includingmyself, are getting shipped to
an island and are excommunicatedfrom societal life, and the
only way that you can bereintegrated back into life is
50 non-men have to sign apetition to reintegrate you.
Oh my God.
And I love this plan becauseit's like I feel comfortable
that 50 non-men will allow meback into life.

(38:30):
If you don't, that's my wholepoint, and then we'll just have
reeducation programs andclassifications while you're on
the island.
We'll give it back to you.
I also have a plan that I thinkyou have to earn your.
Anybody socializes a man haveto earn their penises.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
So I love this.
That was just what I was saying.
I would probably do all Chassisdevices.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, exactly, I was president, everybody gets all
men in Chassis devices.
You're going to get locked upyou don't have to go all over
your penises anymore.
And until you pass all of thesesame thing, you have to get a
petition to get your penisesunlocked.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Your key.
Get the key back to it.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Same thing Go, get another license, like the
dangerous way with which men arewielding their members feels
like that.
We should have some regulationon it.
There should be penis use tests, unlike basic consent
understandings.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Understanding on how they use it.
Make sure that you know this isone thing that I do to get to
make sure that men aren't comingto me with just their boner is
that I tell them because theythink is what I've noticed is
that they want to see you rightnow, right when they have the
boner.
It's now, now.

(39:46):
They can't never do it.
There's never any pre-planningor like forward thinking.
But my response is like OK,well, why don't you let the
boner go down?
And if you still like I'm stillfloating in your mind tomorrow
and there's no boner, then whydon't you reach out to me again
and we'll get you on theschedule.
There is no, now I'm not here totake.

(40:08):
You're not that entitled thatI'm going to take care of your
dick now, if I'm having thaturge.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
that's usually why I go with, like, purchasing
content.
I was just like if I'mparticularly intrigued by you
and I need to deal with it thissecond and I'm like you know
what's the least amount of way Ican bother you content and I'm
just like can you send my name?
Alone for 14 seconds and I'llgive you whatever amount of
money you want and I'll movealong.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I love the custom contents.
Yes, yes, this is definitelychanged to porn only fans and
loyal fans and and then, like,the custom content that you can
request now from your amateurporn stars has really, has
really basically given a lot offreedom for a lot of people to

(40:53):
become amateur porn stars Been abig, huge movement in porn.
This isn't, this was not howporn was made in the 90s.
I mean, it was a hugeproduction set in the 90s.
You had lighting.
You didn't have just an iPhonein the corners.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I'm filming you from an iPhone fucking your boyfriend
, and I put in bad lighting.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, I mean, like most of my my go to set.
You know, I say I like my pornfarm to table and so my
collection of grass red rangevideos of me making somebody
else climax or videos of someoneclimaxing will say my name Like
that's, that's like my go to,will get it done every time.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I don't know, do you watch porn to Casey?
I do watch porn, you do.
Do you have go to as well?
I don't have.
I know I don't have go to porn.
I like should save them, butfor some reason that's how you
get to star.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I forget to start them.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I'm afraid I'll be discovered.
I'm like I don't you leave itup.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I can tell you your phone.
You're like yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I don't even know my life.
I do watch porn, I don't.
I don't watch porn very often.
Sometimes I'll go throughphases where I'm like oh yeah,
porn exists.
I'm laying in bed right beforeI go to sleep, let's do that.
And then it's been like 60 to90 minutes scrolling for
something that isn't throughthat isn't horrific and that
works for me.
And you just find like 30seconds in one video where

(42:23):
you're like this is the one, andthen it's over very quickly and
I'm like, why did?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
I not just go to bed.
I could have been in bed.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
90 minutes ago I've been in bed, and 90 minutes ago
Instead, I've been horrified bythe size of the penis that went
into that, but without loop,like We'll have.
Nightmares Make me cringe too.
I just end up counting thenumber of women that don't have
orgasms.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Like, I'm just like oh, you didn't care about that.
I can't do it all.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Everywhere.
No, no, Sounds like your kinkis making women come though
Tyson.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
It's a problem.
It's a problem.
Sounds like a problem to thewomen.
I don't have a problem, no.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
You're making come at all.
I'd say that's a solution, sir,Do you?
Do you remember like what yourfirst porn was that you were
exposed to?
You know?
I think we briefly talked aboutthis on a previous podcast.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Oh, on another podcast.
No, no.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's been a while, though, and we have new
listeners to say it again.
My first porn exposure was so.
We all grew up in our parents'house, and I just remember I
don't know how I knew Obviouslywe went to school, so people
talk or whatever, but I wouldget up late at night when my
parents were asleep, and I wouldgo to the TV and like find the
like whatever sketchy channelcomes up at one morning, yeah,

(43:36):
and I would like sneak watch itwith the volume all the way down
, because the TV is in, like theupstairs, which is like an open
.
There's like no walls to thedownstairs, right, and my
parents' bedroom is down there.
I would be horrified if I wasdiscovered, you know.
So it was like, yeah, volumealways down, it was dark.
I was like I'm sure you werenot the only one.
Yeah, definitely not the onlyone.

(43:58):
What about yours, tyson, do youremember?

Speaker 1 (44:00):
what yours was my first.
I know what my like first pornera was like, specifically where
the first one was.
I think it was the landing page, starletscom, as the was like.
Just because like that was dialup and it was like because that
site was cast, it loadedquickly.

(44:21):
But my first era was my dad hadthe only computer in the house
that had an internet connection,which was in his office.
I had a computer in my room butit didn't have internet
connection.
I also had a 200 stack of CDRs,so I would I would go at night
I would spend.
I would spend like one day inthe office downloading a ton of

(44:44):
clips on a CDRs and I wouldspend the next day like enjoying
that CD in my room.
And so there's a funny storywith I mean, I, my dad's not
going to listen to this, but mydad used to have a CD.
But my dad used to have a CDcase of like the music we
listened to in a car for roadtrips and, like I said, I'm

(45:04):
acoustically stimulated, so Idid have a CD that was just
audio of women climaxing.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Now I have a, I had a marking system for it.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
So I knew, like, what it was and what things were,
and I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
And so your dad had the.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
CD case of things that are in there and I don't
remember exactly how I made themistake of having those CD, that
CD, in there.
I think it was like a situationwhere I was learning something
from something in that CD case.
Musically, it learned how toplay.
No, okay, I used to practiceimprov, improv jazz with a Miles

(45:41):
Davis CD that my dad used tolisten to.
So I just had like hot swappedthe porn CD with the Miles Davis
CD to listen to it, to work,and when I took the Miles Davis
CD I'm putting it back in thecase.
I didn't remake the hot swap.
My and I see my dad open the CDcase and go to grab it and to

(46:05):
put that, to put that in,because he was like, oh, what is
this?
And I just like grab the CDcase and like throw it out of
the car window so that like Ihad to go get out of the car and
pick it up and then I justbroke.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
And then I broke that CD and then I go, can't listen
to it now.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Dang, this CD broke.
I guess we're never going tofind out what it was, to this
day, your dad's like.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
What was on that?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, well, now that I think about it, it was, it
wasn't, it wasn't good.
I'm pretty sure my dad was likenevermind, I don't want to know
.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I don't want to know.
That's how you react.
I don't want to know what thatis.
Throw it out the window.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that was my, that was my first
point.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I'm not much of a porn watcher myself, but I do
remember my first porn videothat I saw was two gay men and
it was a threesome and a woman.
So it was two men and a woman,but the men were paying.
You could tell that they weregay and they were completely
paying attention to each otherand, just like every time this
woman would try to get into likejoining threesome, she would

(47:10):
just get rejected.
I don't know why it was so hotto me to just like watch this
woman keep getting rejected bythese gay men going on.
And still, to this day, I lovegay clubs and gay men and I
don't mind getting rejected.
You know, slightly turned onwhen they reject me, I'm like,
oh, I want to try that.

(47:30):
No, that's funny.
People give like all the creditto hot, to like having women
make out, that being a thing,but like no, we don't have hot
dudes making out, and how great.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Oh, my first magazines were always the gay
male magazines, where they'realways like.
They're like chiseled and andworked out sweaty in the six
packs and just muscleseverywhere.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
One of my one of the hottest things I've ever done
was a black couple messes me onGrindr because the wife wanted
to watch her husband blowsomebody and like it was.
I cannot begin to describe howmarvelously hot it is to like

(48:21):
have a woman watching herhusband masturbating while he's
blowing me, and then her by.
The wife and myself came at thesame time.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
That was some impressive impathing of your
sexual energetics.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, it was great.
It was great and so it wasmostly like I would say, more
than like I came because she wascoming quicker.
I'm sure I was like, oh,that'll work, and she was kind
of like hinting at the way thatshe wanted to treat her husband
in that situation and I was like, oh, this is great, and so that

(49:07):
was glorious.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Wait, did you say it was a white couple?
This was a black couple.
A black couple.
Okay, I was gonna say there'sthat racial component in there.
Again, I will say that even thewhite guys that called me, or
the white guys that called me onNight Flirt this last week,
they also wanted me to like cookthem with big black cock too,

(49:30):
which I thought was cool.
I didn't like it.
And the black guys also wantedall sorts of stuff going on too.
What?

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Tell me more Monday.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Oh well, they usually weren't like they weren't, I
think it was.
The one scene was where I wasbasically picking him up out of
a lineup and how he was going tobe my best slave and how all my
children were mixed colored andmy white husband had to like,
just deal with it.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yep, yep, that's a winner.
No, I there's.
That's great.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I'm gonna bring him home to my plantation.
How he secretly wins againstthe plantation owner, yeah, yeah
.
And how he fucks theplantation's owner's wife and
like has all you know the blackkids running around.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah, I mean one of the one.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I thought it was great.
I was leaning heavily into it.
He had the best like eightminutes on his offer I wanna get
paid later.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Man, one of the.
So I didn't even know whatmovie this is, but this
situation sparked, like the if Iever get into shoot shooting a
racial degradation scene.
It is something that I havethought about for a long time
was like there's a.
There's a movie that like DuleHill plays of, like basically

(50:44):
he's a farmhand but he'sbasically a slave to a white
family, and like there's thisflirtation that's going on with
the wife and him where she likethings keep breaking and Dule
Hill will like show up and belike I can fix that and like
that's like the trope that goesoff in the movie.
Like the window breaks, he'slike I can fix that and he's

(51:04):
like, oh, my pipe's broken, Ican fix that.
And then one day like she'scrying and it was like I don't
feel beautiful, I don't feelloved, and he just like takes
the shirt off and he's like Ican fix that, right.
And then they're like they'rein the other secret, like going
to get in trouble and beatingthing.
And then like there's a scenewhere he's like getting whipped
by the husband and the husbandmakes the wife watch while it's

(51:27):
happening, but like Dule Hill islike looking at her being like
with a face that says, don'tworry, this is worth it, and I
was like, oh, I love it, I loveit, and so this, this made me.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
You said this was a hallmark movie, right I?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
think so.
I just I'm kidding.
It feels like a hallmark movieor like wherever they do seventh
heaven at now, and this makesme think of this like part of
this.
I read a part of this I heardof in a book, but it was like,
you know, a slave owner who had,who was had, was in love with
one of his slaves.
Like a male slave owner who wasin love with one of his slaves,

(52:03):
and I, like they were likeRonnie, viewing late at night
and like they were trying tohide it, and I was like I want
the more intense version of this, like the scene I think of all
the time is they finally getcaught Right, or he gets in
trouble, like he's suspected ofit.
The slave owner is expected ofit, and the only way he can get

(52:24):
out of it is he has to likepublicly whip this man he's in
love with right, and because helike he has to do it in a way
that's like not that'sconvincing, that like he's
doesn't have like a section forthis person, and so that beating
is like a sexual encounterbetween the two of them, like as

(52:49):
it goes along, because, likethe sex that they have is like
pretty rough anyway, and so Iwas like I want to, I want to
build this scene, I want tobuild this like story that is
culminates in that situation andand like the thing that sticks
in my head is like I want theslave owner to come in his pants
at the end of this whippingscene, like because they're
having such like a mentalconnection with it as it goes

(53:13):
along, like this is what we haveto do and it's in front of
everybody.
And then it was like I'm likethat sounds so hot to me.
I'm like I'm into it.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Do it.
Let's film that I have.
I have three things I can talkabout.
If we don't mind Like, if Ilike this, if I've been.
What are the three things?
Yes, do the three things, okay.
First one is the oldest one.
Since we've been inconsistentlydoing podcasts, I received this
message on Instagram.
Instagram strikes me andanytime, anytime, anytime, any

(53:46):
unanimous person reaches out tome, I'm like you're fake, you're
fake or you're not forthcomingor something.
Anyway, this guy reached out tome.
So, andre, oh, looks like thatI'm at it.
That I said whoops, thisaccount has this.
Okay, so I got.
I got a random message fromsomebody that doesn't we don't

(54:08):
know each other.
He lives in Texas.
He said hi, there ever metsomeone who was into your feet?
I looked at it.
I was in the middle oftraveling for work.
So I saw and I was like I don'thave time for this right now
and like it would be.
You know, the reason I was likeabout it is because what I said
before is people are like fake,they're not real, they want to
take advantage.
It's a scam and some capacity,right, yeah?
So he saw that.

(54:30):
I looked at it and then followedup I'd pay you to massage your
feet.
I didn't look at that for fiveweeks.
This is the first time I'mlooking at it right now.
I think that's the first timeI've seen this file.
I think it's real.
It's sus, though.
He has 400 followers, two posts, but is following Six thousand
and 40.
That's a real person.

(54:51):
Yeah, yeah, he's following thatmany, or that's how many are
following him.
He's following that many.
He, oh yeah, that sounds like areal person then.
Okay, well, sometimes, yeah,yeah, yeah.
Anyways, I love to get paid tohave somebody massage my feet.
But I didn't respond and Iwanted to pull people on the
podcast to see if it soundedreal.

(55:12):
What's the appropriate thing tosay?
What does one charge to gettheir feet massage?
I have done this.
I've actually have thrown footparties.
Oh yeah, I've been the host offoot parties and have foot
models come in and men come inand purchase 15 minutes with
them with private feet time.
Amazing, oh, I don't evenremember how this is like over.

(55:35):
It's like pre-pandemic, so Ican't remember.
I think each girl had their owncharging I used to do.
This is an actual branded nightcalled Foot Night.
That's nationwide and they dothe same thing in public like
sex clubs and stuff in citiesand they have like a foot night
and do similar things.

(55:56):
But this is a real gig.
This is like something thatpeople do.
The foot fetish is up there.
It's like up in the top 10fetishes.
Yeah, it's common, it's supercommon.
It's obviously going to have tobe what's your comfort level
and then what's your?
Do you have good communicationskills on knowing how to

(56:18):
negotiate and also how to putdown your boundaries?
Like sure you can massage myfeet, but I don't want to give
you a foot job, so there's myboundary.
Yeah, or maybe that doesn'tbother you.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Well, this is why I looked it in was like side
eyeing it.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I was like you say you want to pay me for foot
massage, but that's a loadedsentence and what that could.
Generally, I'm finding whatthat means is can you please
touch my penis?
With your feet and then I'mgoing to have sex with you.
Like is literally generally.
You know, this is just the tipof the kinky iceberg.
Yeah, it's like those boys thatlove to come see me and they're

(56:58):
like.
I've been watching them on pornand I want the scene to be like
this and the whole scene isthem just fucking me.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
And I'm like what you're watching, what that is,
what that is what that is.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
That's not how that works.
No, I mean, I'm usually likewithholding it from you, not
giving it to you.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, no, I have definitely paid for what I like
to call leave no trace climateswith foot stuff, which is
basically is like I'm going topay to give you a foot massage.
Ignore me, do whatever you'redoing.
Watch TV, do something else.
I you will like I can prettydiscreetly make myself come in

(57:40):
my pants while that occurs, likeI literally just a week ago
like I put.
I put one of my partners tosleep, give them a foot massage
with prior consent before this,and then just put a couple toes
in my mouth and I was like.
I was like I would.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I love that you got kids and of course you got kids
that before that and I love thatyour partner was like yeah,
sure, put me to sleep, fuck onthem Interesting.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
So, casey, what I would say to you is, if you're
seriously thinking about doingsomething like that, I would
pull the conversation out ofInstagram.
Instagram looks at your, looksat all of your.
They keep an eye on everythingthat's happening on their
platform, including DMs,interesting, okay, I would not
talk anything further about it.

(58:34):
I don't know.
Make an email address and tellthem to go there if he's serious
.
Okay, is he, is he?
Is he even in the same area?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Is this the other thing Is that his?
Oh, he is.
Yeah, that was my firstquestion.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
But then I looked at his account and was like, oh, it
says he's in Texas.
I'll give him a different emailaddress, we'll pull it off.
My other thing I saw my, excuseme, I saw my.
I have a client who I come, whocomes over to see me and she
gets domestically disciplined.
And I saw her recently and I Ihad a great experience because

(59:08):
this time around she braided melike really hard.
She braided me and she waiteduntil the end of a four hour
session and then I don't knowwhat struck her, but she, just
like I already had spent areally long time battling her
and gaining her.
Yeah, and she for some reasonwas like there was some
conversation and she took a cuefrom it and she just started

(59:31):
bradding the fuck out of me, towhich my response was to just
continue, like I was like areyou gonna apologize?
And she would say absolutely.
She was like no, and then Iwould just I would paddle her to
the point of tears or her beinglike stop, stop.
And she'd stand up and be likeare you gonna apologize?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
No, and she still wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
And I spent so much time like gaining and like it,
like mercilessly, mercilessly,and she would not.
And two things happened.
One is I also have this ebonyhairbrush that is sweet, sweet
sphango bottom, in Chicagobought for me, and it's got
Boris hair needles on it.
So I was using that hairbrushtoo and at some point I was like

(01:00:09):
, because you know, sometimesyou sphango somebody, you like,
dig your nails into their sore,sore bottom, and it's the thing.
So I was like you know what?
Fuck my nails, I'm just gonnapress this hairbrush into her
red ass right now.
And so I started sphangoing herwith the brush side of the
hairbrush and her skin is sothin and worn and there those

(01:00:30):
are Boris hair needles that Ijust poke holes in her bottom.
And she starts bleeding and Istop and I was like what have I
done?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
But then I was like this is great, All you gotta do
is apologize and your butt willstop bleeding, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yep yeah.
But then I was like, oh, you'rebleeding now because you've
been so naughty, and then I justkept doing it and it was
awesome and I just had I hadn'thad this in shows.
It was a bloody mess and Ihadn't had this.
I had to, like, wash thesterilizing implements
afterwards what you do anyways,but, like I, this is like a new
level.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yes, a new level for you, it was like three rounds of
cleaning.
There was residue.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
But the experience I had was before I was kind of
just doing it like people haveplay partners, and I didn't
really it didn't really meananything to me, but because how
hard she braided and like wejust like entered a zone of like
literally playing, and I waslike, oh, this is what people
try to get to all the time.

(01:01:32):
I didn't you know I'm, you knowI'm only like hovering around
the world of you know stuff likethis, and I was like I was like
I just had a really great timebecause she chose to be super
bratty.
It sounds like you've gottensome heads like a top, a top
space and she got into asubspace with you, right Is that
?
what you're saying, yeah well, Igot into she always gets into a

(01:01:53):
top subspace, but I got into atop space because of her that I
hadn't before and hadn't enteredbefore.
Yeah, I hadn't entered before.
Before I was just doing aservice to somebody and now I
was like, oh my God, that wasfun.
I was doing what I wanted to dotoo.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I just, I just made a shit out of her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I had a good time.
Yeah, but she did it at thevery end of a session and she
didn't apologize, so I was likeyou're coming back next week and
we'll continue this punishment.
So she came back for anothertwo hours, like a week later.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yes, and it was and it was Did she ever apologize?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, she apologized eventually but she kept ratting
really hard and she was so sweetbecause my work right now for
like three weeks I've beenpulling all-nighters, it's been
hellacious and I was tired andmy apartment was in mess and she
was so sweet.
She like I made her clean mydishes and she did.
And then she was like do youhave a grocery list?
And she went grocery shoppingfor me and she paid for them.

(01:02:50):
I love it when that happens.
I was like she's a jewel, she'sthe best.
Yeah, it's great.
Little house slaves are yeah.
And then my other bit of newsis I received a random Venmo.
Somebody- I just gave you a gift.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yeah, it's a tribute.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
You're the best.
How's this?
It was money for permission tohave a conversation, which is
what I have on the top of myprofiles.
Please, if you actually want tohave a conversation, you have
to send this to the Cash app,and only two people out of all
of the people that send memessages either read that or do
it.
And I got a random $10, whichis not the amount I have, but I

(01:03:31):
was like holy shit.
So I like searched, like I'malso like how do I find this
person?
But luckily they put their nameand it was on Fat Life.
So when I found them on FatLife and they hadn't even friend
me yet or did they send me?
No, they didn't even send me amessage.
They were just like here's $10,can we chat?
That's top to you and I toppedhere, dude, and I sent them and
I was like, permission granted,I sent a message just like,

(01:03:52):
thank you so much for beingrespectful and sending your
money.
I'd be glad to have aconversation with you, and I was
just, and then work was a shitstorm so I didn't respond for
five days or something.
But I think it's a he inwomen's clothing who is a Spanko
Bottom and saying that he isinterested in having me

(01:04:15):
discipline him and Spank him,and he just he sent me his
latest message and it was superdelightful Cause he was really
honest.
I was like you know, you can'tsee me, but there's a.
You know there's a cost ortribute associated with it, and
I'll put on my glasses to seewhat he said.
One of the things he said was Iunderstand and expect that
there would be a tribute.
I will be transparent about thefact that I am not financially

(01:04:39):
well to do and that meeting thistribute would be a goal to work
towards and not something Iwould have readily available to
me.
But that makes the prospect allthe more desirable in my eyes.
I will feel a sense of pride inearning this opportunity, which
was just like.
That's just one of theparagraphs that he wrote that
were like fucking rock solid.

(01:05:00):
I was like that is the correctway to say hey, I don't have a
lot of money, yeah, yeah, like,cause, like people are normally,
like you tell them what yourrates are and they don't respond
.
Or you tell them what theirrates are and they're like well,
I don't have a lot of money,I'm like great, good for you.
And he was, and like I was, Iread this and I was like okay,

(01:05:21):
yeah, yeah, right, yeah, thereare, there are people out there
that want to monetize, right,and charge people for this kind
of play, which I mean, I just Imade a career out of it, so not
going to dock it at all.
And then there's a lot of peopleout there that want to play for
free.
And then when you get the oneslike if for me, when I get the
ones that want to play for free,I send them to other places,

(01:05:44):
I'm just like, no, I'm not, I'ma pay to play, mistress, even
when, like I already shared withyou, I charged my husband for
telling all of you guys Like no,this is a lifestyle choice for
me.
Yeah, oh, that was yeah.
So those are three things, kc,that you want to mention.
Those are my three things.
Yeah, you just hadn't given anupdate in a while.
I liked your, your last Gemem,and that was very sweet.

(01:06:06):
I wonder if he'll actually worktowards it or if that was
enough for him to just get offfor the night.
You know, yeah, we'll find out.
I mean, so far he's, hismessages have been well, he's
well spoken and very polite.
So I believe that he's real andgenuine and we'll follow that
Cause I can usually I usually gothrough my inbox and read them

(01:06:28):
out loud.
And toys like nope, that one'sfake.
Nope, that's a time waster.
Nope, he's got a good radar inthere and check him out.
It sounds like good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Yeah, he does.
I got it.
I had many years of purchasingcontent and activities and a lot
of friends who have done likesex work and stuff, so like I
can smell scammers now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
You can feel the smell the scammers out there,
yeah, and there's a lot of them,especially these this day and
age.
Yeah, there really are.
It's more scammers and peoplewho just want to like get a nut
off for free by being dishonestor like what's the word being,
like sus or whatever.

(01:07:11):
Then, just so it sounds like KCyou are dabbling into like
charging for your service.
Yeah, so the reason thispodcast started is because I've
always been interested in indoming and I and I was like
let's make a public journey ofthis and I'll talk about my

(01:07:31):
experiences and what I do, andI've had some pretty hilarious
stories, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Serrano pepper dick.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
But I Serrano pepper dick.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
It's also been a journey in me understanding my
own worth and being not afraidto ask for, for what you are
worth, I think, in what like,what like, what makes me feel
good about offering my time inthat capacity.
And like.
It's been a journey in meunderstanding what to expect
from people and how tocommunicate clearly and
boundaries, setting Boundariesand like, take care of it Like

(01:08:04):
you think it's all about likebecause I don't.
I'm not like I won't have sexwith people, so I'm a non sex
having dom leaning person.
Yeah, and many people do that.
But also the other half of thepeople are like what that's a
thing.
It like blows their mind thatthere's no sex involved and like
yeah, yeah, that's totally a.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
That's totally a thing Like go have sex with
somebody else?
Yeah, I didn't.
I don't think that entered intomy world until like, like and
sex cause it's all sex, right,like to me it's all sex.
Sure, the actual likepenetration that's, I mean
that's sex, but that's just aform of it.
But I don't think that enteredinto like, into my horizon in

(01:08:46):
the business until I'd been inhere for five, maybe almost
seven years, and then I was like, oh, maybe we want to try that,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
So I tried it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
It's a color I mean it's like it's a flavor.
It's now available to me.
We'll see, yeah, but I startedout like with like femdom
aspirations and I found out likeI had a couple of like.
I had just my first experienceswith people who were really
fucking hilarious and I realizedthat people have expectations
of what a femdom is andfemdoming actually takes a wide

(01:09:22):
variety of accoutrement andspace.
And I don't have thoseaccoutrements and I do not have
that space.
So I was like, ah, this is notconducive.
Nor do like.
I don't like I would love topee on somebody.
I have somebody that wants meto pee on them.
This thing I will do no, not beshy.
Oh, ok, no, it just hasn'tworked out yet.

(01:09:43):
We had a schedule and then hegot sick or something, and then
I, yeah, job.
You haven't got to check thatone off the list.
Yet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Yeah, but like there's stuff I'll do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
But I had a client I saw for all the preacher, the
priest, whatever they would comeover, and I could tell he had
like he wanted more other thanme.
You know, I was banging him andputting a dog collar on him and
doing the things I could withinthe confines of how I exist and
I was like I cannot providethat and I don't know what to do

(01:10:12):
with you now when you come over.
I'm just like, well, we can dothe same thing because that's
what fits in my house.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
So eventually you'll be like don't fit in your house.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Like a fucking.
I don't have a bathtub, so it'shard to pee on something Right?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no A puppy pee pads.
Let's go to your pet store andget the puppy pee pads, lay them
out on your floor, and then youcan.
It's disposable, then you justthrow it away.
This is genius shit.
I'm trying to think I was likeyou have it's like you like this

(01:10:45):
is the other thing Like peoplethink that like a thumbdawm
needs to have this big ass, hugedungeon to do all of this stuff
.
And I'm more of a domestic Domand I used my house.
I mean, I've had human cages inmy living room and crosses on
the wall, but I can still do thesame doming Like you would.
You'd ask, I think, the lasttime we were talking something

(01:11:06):
about you.
I'm the first person thatyou've ever came across that
says that I am 24, seven, mm.
Hmm, yeah, yeah, okay, I can'tshut off my sadism, I can't shut
off my dominance in, you know,out of the bedroom.
I can't just shut it off.
So of course, it's going to andit's not part mentalized.

(01:11:26):
I'm just not.
I'm not only a thumbdawm in thebedroom, mm.
Hmm, it's everywhere.
It's 24, seven, I see.
So so you can use any spacebecause it's up here, it's here,
it's here that you're you'redoing the domination.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
It's in your heart, it's your voice, it's your head.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
It's in your creativity of of the things that
your, your activities, thatyou're coming up with.
It's not because you have a,you know, say, anthony's cross
in the corner of your room.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Throne in the other corner.
That doesn't make you likethose those are just tools.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
In my in my experience I will, like I have
been, I have, you know, paid forexperiences with people that
have the massage tables andcrosses and 35 chains and whips
and all kinds of things that donot have the like, the mental
and like connection skill setthat you have.

(01:12:21):
I will pick eating grapes fromyour feet over someone who has a
three story dungeon most of thetime, because most of the time
the person has a three storydungeon is like similar to going
to a low income like medicalfacility, like they're just like
hello, you're here Cause I hityou a few times with this thing
and get out and I was like it'sa cookie cutter session as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
It sounds like a cookie cutter.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Like, especially for me.
I was just like that's not whyI'm, that's not what I'm here to
do, right, that's not.
That will do no thing for me.
And I was like, if, if I am,you know, an avatar of repeated
activity, I'm not going to enjoymyself until you know I am
looking for, like let us, let usbe doing something unique for

(01:13:09):
what is here.
And you do that incrediblyright.
And like no thing is needed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Nothing's needed other than you.
Yeah, this reframes it for me,actually, but that's also, it
seems, like a lot of no.
Maybe it's just a continuedjourney in self-worth
understanding, like self-worthCause I feel like holding my.
The emotional response I had tothat was oh, but there are
expectations, like I'm notenough and I don't.

(01:13:37):
I mean I mean that in like thespiritual way, but also like the
.
They show up for specificthings, not just the person,
which is oh yeah, they want theactual activity.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but Sorry, go ahead, go ahead,
I'll say my thing after no, no,no, well, it doesn't say but
it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
But maybe they do show up just for the person.
I don't know if I can't know ifthat's, or, I guess, like
making too many assumptions forother people or speaking too
much for other people.
I think some people show up forthe person.
Other people are showing up forthe activity.
They just want their, they wanttheir itch itched.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
You have to realize that peopleare very self-motivating.

(01:14:20):
Yeah, like dogs, that's forthemselves, they're trying to
feed themselves.
So it does sound like you're ona self-worth journey and I'll
share with you that that's beena big part of what I've been
doing in this, like in sex work.
I didn't think that, that Ididn't know that that was going
to be an aspect of it, but thenI was like, oh shit, I'm really
on my journey and I'm invitingthese people in on my journey.

(01:14:43):
That's what was happening.
That's like also the perspectiveI had when I started this
podcast.
I was like, oh, I'm going tohave to like own up to a lot of
mental like my own demons inorder to like present in this
space appropriately.
Oh my gosh, yeah, I mean, Ididn't know that sexual
narcissism was a thing until Istarted doing this full time and

(01:15:07):
then I was like, oh, that's me,oh shit, I'm the sexual
narcissist.
This is all about me and how Ican get my sexual needs met
through these people, and a lotof it was through sadism and
through this female domination.
And I shouldn't even like Idon't even know why I keep
saying female domination becauseone of the personas or one of

(01:15:30):
the pronouns I think I take onas in my doming world is daddy.
I'm definitely daddy and sirDon't mind taking on that
masculine, the gender, thegender bender shit.
I like playing in that world.
That is fun, so, but you havethe space to do what.
You just switch it to the spacethat you're doing.

(01:15:51):
You're working in a domesticsetting.
Is that what you're working on?
Yeah, I look.
Yeah, domestic domination.
So make them organize yourshoes and then, out of
humiliation and some degradation, you make them smell them every
so often, or you know like hey,you need to clean those with
your tongue.
You can have them wash yourpanties and, you know, throw in

(01:16:13):
like erotic, erotic humiliationwith that, by making them also
smell them to make sure thatthey're clean or how dirty they
are, and make them like ratethem right, rate my panties from
one to 10 on how dirty they areand then wash them in that
order the dirtiest is thecleanest.
Okay, your house cleaned.
It sounds like you gotgroceries the other day.
I mean, come on, get your housecleaned next.

(01:16:33):
I did have a gentleman thatorganized my closet and I've had
a gentleman that came in aswell.
No, a don't, did you say a Dom?
No, a gentleman, anothergentleman.
Yeah, so a variety of thingshave been done, but I had a
harder time being like thesepeople want to clean my house
and organize my closet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
They have a service tank.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
You know they want to serve as well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
I mean, they're just, you know, as a cleaner of your
microwave in the fridge andkitchen before, like the, if I'm
scratching, is you know?
You said I did a good job.
That's what I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I wanted to hear I'm a good boy, I'm a good boy, you
wanted that reward.
It's like the reward andpunishment.
It's like your brat.
She was probably being brattybecause she wanted more
punishment.
Oh for sure, yeah, she was likeI'm done being spanked.
So yeah, I'm not done with yougiving me this attention,
regardless if it's, you know,negative or positive in her mind

(01:17:27):
.
She wanted that attention, yeahFor sure.
Yeah, so she's gonna sit thereand be bratty and you give it.
And look it got you top high.
It sounds like it did.
It.
Got me down, it's great, yeah,and it puts you in a space that
you'd never been in and you'relike, oh whoa, this is the first
time I did something in a scenethat I actually wanted to do.
Now you're stepping into thatfemdom, that role that you're

(01:17:49):
wanting, that dominant role orthat disciplinarian, whatever
role you're wanting to play.
Yeah, it's, you want to do itnow.
It's a fun journey.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
What were you gonna say?
What I was gonna say earlier is, like you know, so I know my
itches right, like I know, likeif I'm saying I want an activity
, like I know what they all areright, or so I thought right and
in, like some of the guinea pigexperiences with you, like you

(01:18:17):
find itches.
I didn't know I had right and I.
This has to do with threeimportant things about you.
Is one you're really, reallycreative, right?
What was the thing that yousaid that you, like learned
Hebrew so that you could waxmark into somebody, something

(01:18:37):
ownership wise on them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Oh yeah, I just wrote my persona name in ancient
Greek, Nice.
It's like an owner.
Yeah, and put it on.
I learned to write it inancient Greece.
I could write it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Right and like that I don't remember the details, but
like it made so much sense oflike this, whatever scene that
you were creating, like that youdid that like if that was my
thing, if that was my set ofsituations pants are shitting
Like I would be like that's sogood.
And the second thing is that,like you're you know I don't
know how to quantify this, butyou are very worshipable,

(01:19:14):
worshipable right, and so, likethe, your approval gratitude,
giving you the thing that youwant is you know, that's a
general kink of mine.
You hit it at a higher levelthan a lot of people I go about.
Like, giving you the thing thatyou want is great.
One of the reasons why I'm justlike I can't wait until you are

(01:19:37):
centered with all of your selfworth things is because you'll
have more access to the thingsthat you want to give, for
people to give to you, so I cangive you those things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I think it also sounds like Casey, you have some
more exploration yourself to dopersonally to know what you
like and what you don't like.
It sounds like it's true.
That's part of this journey too.
I've done things that have beenlike, well, that's not it.
And then I've done things thathave been like, wow, it's cool.
Yeah, and I'm sure Tysonprobably can say that too.
It's like I've done some thingswhere I remember at the

(01:20:09):
beginning going I would never,ever do that, Never.
And then you do it and you'relike, oh, my God, why would I
say I would never do that?
Or you'd be like, oh, I reallyreally wanna try this thing, I
wanna try it, I can't wait totry it.
I tried it with this otherperson, it was awesome.
And then you do it withsomebody else, Like, oh, that
was a flop.
So it's really.
It's about.
It's also who you're doing itwith.

(01:20:30):
So you might be having thesepeople at the beginning coming
and seeing you, Casey, becausethey want to act out this foot
scene with you and they want todo this foot thing.
But you're into feet, butyou're also into spanking and
they're not into spanking.
And now you insert, whileyou're doing the foot thing,
that you're also into spanking.

(01:20:52):
Now, the next time they come andsee you now they're like well,
you know, it was fun doing thisfoot thing and how excited you
got about it.
I kinda wanna see what you'dlook like when you spank me now,
Casey.
So now they wanna start doingyeah, now they wanna start doing
these things that you startedinserting in to the prior scene.
Now they're gonna come backwith, like you planted a seed,

(01:21:12):
basically.
Now they'll run with it and belike oh well, my mistress likes
this, maybe I like this too.
And then the next thing theycome back.
That's all they could thinkabout was oh my mistress, all
she wants to do is pee on me.
I can't wait, even though Ihate pee.
I want nothing to do with pee,but she's doing it.
Oh, that's awesome, it's allgonna be great, yeah, yeah.

(01:21:33):
So then now they're coming backfor the person.
I actually have a guy in mylife that's a good example of
that.
He basically did just that.
He's normally a top, but hefound me on Fat Life and was
like I think I wanna bottom you.
And I was like okay, whatever,I love the tops, the thin male
tops that come to bottom with me.
It's one of my favorites.
So many people say that I'mnormally not into bottoming, but

(01:21:54):
personally, about you.
I was just like okay, you're thefifth person that said that
today, so just say you wannabottom, it's fine, it's fine.
But yeah, he did that and hecame over for I can't remember
what.
But when he was over we werechatting and I said, well, we'll

(01:22:14):
see you spanking.
And he was like well, I'm notinto spanking, but I spank
people, but maybe you can spankme.
And then later he was like youknow, next time he was like,
okay, he spanked me and he likedit.
And then he started thinkingabout it all the time.
He was like I need you to spankme again.
But I did.
You know, I did other fun stuffwith him, like he plays a
violin really well.
So I was like well, you'regonna bring your violin and

(01:22:35):
you're gonna play music, I'mgonna squeeze your balls and
it's gonna be a variable.
And if you mess up on this,thank you.
And that was super fun.
But he's too damn good at theviolin.
Because I was not nice to thatman's testicles and he did not
skip a beat on that violin itwas.
I know I was like fine, fineNickel nipple twisting.

(01:22:57):
Maybe next time, maybe we'lltry something.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
We'll try something.
You gotta mess with theshoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
He's a lovely person, yeah, somewhere where he's
holding the violin.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe the shoulder Vlogging,
vlogging the middle of the back,Cause I'm trying to think of
what would mess me up on piano.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
You could kick me square in the balls and I'm
gonna finish this, but if youmess up, if you mess up my
shoulder, then with theshoulders or the elbows.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Yeah, it's all just a continued journey and I lulled
a little bit Like I was into itand then there was a like I'm in
this period of time now.
Maybe exiting this period oftime where I was like this is
like exhausting and I just keepmeeting people that want stuff
but don't wanna give stuff.
That's common too when you'restarting like people come over
and they're like I really wantyour feet in my mouth and I'll
be on like a service sub and I'mlike and then you have them do

(01:23:39):
things and you're like you'renot, you don't wanna do, like
this is not bringing you joy.
I'm like here is what you haveto do to get my feet in your
mouth and you do a shitty job ofcleaning my dishes and it's
clear that you don't actuallywanna do chores, even though you
said you did.
So what exactly am I gettingout of this?
Like?
There's a lot of that you haveto sift through too, and
emotional labor that a lot ofpeople don't wanna do either,

(01:24:01):
yeah, or the work to just evenget there, but that's just.
I mean, you're gonna find thatin any job you do, that's true.
You can find those, that kindof mentality anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
The takers, not the givers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Did you purposely, purposefully, call it mentality?
Ha ha, eh, ha ha ha.
Mantality, that's the man.
Yes, I have extreme dyslexiaand I do like to make up my own
words and language.
Oh, that one is completelyappropriate.
I promised you that we would doa short one and we did not,
because this conversation hasbeen so lovely.

(01:24:36):
So, no, it has been a goodconversation.
It started out slow and then webuilt up to it and got into it.
Monday Jones, thank you so muchfor joining us again.
It has been a delight to haveyou and I'll probably ask you
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(01:24:57):
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(01:25:19):
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We'll be back again next week,all you sexy beasts, and until
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No, why don't you?
Oh, why don't I?
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