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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Hey shit talkers, before you continue, just a
little reminder.
This is part two of our part oneconversation.
Part one dropped on Wednesday,November 12th.
So if you haven't listened topart one yet, please go listen
to that and then come back andcontinue with part two.
(00:21):
And if you're getting caught upbecause you already listened to
part one, then enjoy.
Hi Chick Talkers! Welcome toTalking Whippy.
And I'm your spoiler, the shittalker.
SPEAKER_04 (00:37):
Shit talking, always talking.
Shit Talkers come on indropping.
Shit talk is the always talking.
Talk to sit with pain.
SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
I mean, don't we all like to be shit anyways?
Should we please the podcast forme?
SPEAKER_04 (00:58):
Copy sit with paid.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
A person who plays the long game, like I'm not a
now-no person.
This way I volunteer, this way II work events instead of
attending them.
This way, this because I getmore out of that.
I get a lot from attending.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
That's the pro tip.
From volunteering.
You get a lot more fromvolunteering.
That's what I'm saying.
You get a lot from volunteering.
I've been doing this for years.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
The first thing you think you get a lot from
attending.
SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
But that's I have to fix it.
Yeah, first thing always.
I just remember as far back aslike 15 years ago, figuring out
I knew that there was somethingthat I wanted to participate in
and just not having the means tolike buy a ticket.
And so I realized when youvolunteer, you get even more
(01:51):
access than you would.
SPEAKER_02 (01:53):
Everything.
If you were an agenda at Niti,you can only be in the agenda.
But when you have one,everything.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
And then because I volunteered at a really cool
event that was hosted by areally cool organization, then
I'm seeing like these premiumperks, like, oh, well, we're
having a mixer after, we'rehaving a nice meal, we're we're
gonna take care of you in thesetypes of ways.
So it was just like, sure, yeah.
It's not something that I do allof the time, but I just know
(02:25):
when you have a like if you havethat.
And I really want to engage.
And it's also a uh a pro tip formarketing.
Not marketing, that's not whatI'm gonna say.
It's a pro tip.
Well, it can work for marketing.
It's a pro tip for networking.
SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
Very much.
Um, I remember the first podcastwhen I went and I was just
randomly believing a lot ofpeople through virtually because
they really know virtually, buton the second time I've decided
to volunteer and I volunteeredon the front desk, and then they
kept me in the line.
So I was talking to people whoprobably I would have not even
seen because we are talkingabout conference of 2000.
(03:01):
Um when you're checking peoplein, that's such a you get to
read their labels, you get toknow their podcasts, you're
like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then people also see yourstrength.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (03:12):
So podcasts saw my strength, they're like, yo,
Paula is good with people.
Paula because there's a longline, Paula entertains people
where they don't feel like theline is long.
Right.
So they would always put me inplaces where there's lines and
people, and I don't mind talkingabout it.
Because you're mitigating me.
And then I went from that tobeing an ambassador to winning
our community heroes award tobecoming a mayor and a governor
(03:34):
of court first.
SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
So you better when people see you, I want a little
bit of yours.
SPEAKER_02 (03:41):
So people, people you also end up finding your
skills in what you can dobecause when you're
volunteering, you don't knownecessarily where they're
putting you, right?
And they can shift you aroundevery time.
This is good.
I'm listening.
I mean, though.
You decided to buy a small assbottle for me.
SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
It was not like that.
SPEAKER_02 (04:12):
And I'm drinking on big glass, I still have three
big glasses of mine.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
I didn't know it was like you're going to just pass
for me yours.
SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
So, anyhow.
But they see you, they give youopportunities, they connect you
with people.
Now I get paid to do events incertain places, and they they
require me.
And somebody was even tellingme, right, yo, Paula, do you
know whenever we're planningevents, your name constantly
keeps coming up?
But because when you go outthere and you just do you, your
(04:43):
strength, people watch and theysee.
I've also said rooms wherepeople tell the owners, like,
next year, fan speaking, canPaula be the host of my room?
Because she really got peoplegoing.
I got ended up being invited tobe the press for the Ambies for
my first year attending theAmbies.
(05:04):
And I've never done press redcarpet or anything, but it was
like people notice you exactly.
Like it's not credentials.
And to me, I always think likeI'm just adding shit on my on my
regime.
And when I say everything isfigured out about, I use this
work was like you say you can.
(05:26):
I feel like if you really wantto do something, even if you're
new at it, you can figure it outif you really want to.
SPEAKER_00 (05:34):
I didn't know how to do a podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (05:35):
Exactly.
Me neither.
I started out, I was I wasgoogling, I was YouTube
watching, I was watching the PRXvideos for how to start a
podcast.
But at that time in 2020,remember the we we used to call
it Instagram College becauseeverybody was doing free
courses.
Oh my god, the masterclasses?
(05:56):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
I took so many masterclasses.
I'm not seeing these screenshotsand notes.
Like, as soon as I got to thepart where they start selling,
I'd just be like, oh my god,this was so nice.
Thank you.
I'm gonna go, but like, thankyou for the free game.
But I a lot of the shit that Iknow that is part of my core.
SPEAKER_02 (06:14):
And this is why shout out to the Hi-Half
Clubhouse.
Uh and I mean sorry, the HighHalf Breakfast Club, which is
Chris, uh, Dominic and Walter,they keep me straight.
Shout out to the Mopad boys,Joe, uh, Mike and Chase, they
keep me straight.
Shout out to Gordon who makessure my my paperwork is right
because he's an entertainmentlawyer.
(06:36):
Two episodes back, go listen toit.
But um again, it also comes backto the power of showing up.
Because yes, we you know peoplevirtually, you can easily meet
people virtually, but there's adifference between feeling
somebody's energy virtually thanin real life.
SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
Oh, it's a big difference.
It felt a lot easier and fasterif I could touch you, baby.
And I don't mean that in no kindof way, I just mean if we in
person.
You said that you said if we'rein person and you can feel the
authenticity that is radiatingfrom me.
SPEAKER_02 (07:11):
And you can also easy.
And you can also easily call outbullshit compared to butchering.
You can smell the energy, youcan smell the motion.
So you know exactly how it is.
And um, speaking of that, I'mgonna ask the question that I
asked everybody.
But most people have known melonger, so for you it might be a
little bit different becauseit's just been a few months.
(07:34):
But this is one of our biggestquestions for season 10 because
again, I believe in givingpeople flowers, and this this
season is giving myself flowersbecause 10 bitch, I did that.
Season 10, five years we've beendoing this shit.
Cheers.
Yes, congratulations.
Thank you.
So um, your impression of mewhen you first met me, and let
(07:57):
the people know when you met me.
Okay, and then to now that Ifeel like our relationship has
really gone, we've all been ineach other's houses.
We have you know, yeah, we havewe have many secrets.
We talk a lot, so and from nowwhere now you really know me,
what's your impression?
Now it's the it's the same.
(08:19):
It's funny you say that almosteverybody says that like they
may just have like that was soeasy.
That's such an easy question,and I can elaborate.
Okay, but yeah, when you firstmet me, what's the first?
Because when you say it's thesame, because what what what are
people relating it to being thesame?
SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
Let me break it down for you, because I'm good at
this.
Okay.
Um I'm I'm a nice way into thiswine, but I'm still articulate,
okay?
She knows her words.
When I first met you, energy washigh, enthusiasm was high, the
connecting, it was justhappening just right off the
rip.
Um I don't know how to explainit, but it it was just like I'm
(09:01):
very big on when I meetsomebody.
I need you to stay consistentwith integrity.
I need you to stay consistentwith energy.
Those are the big things.
And as long as because like whenit comes to me connecting
people, especially connectingdeeply, that is the my preferred
(09:24):
way of connecting.
I'm not interested in thosesurface level connections.
Me neither.
And so we can't yeah, yeah.
So that was how it started.
It was very much me beinginterested in what is she
talking about?
I met you, I think, the morningof or the day before you did
your talk at PRX.
And I said, I need to go seewhat she's talking about.
(09:45):
I'm pulling up.
I pull up, your presentation iswonderful, I'm enjoying what I'm
seeing.
And I had talked to you beforeyour talk, and then that was,
and it goes back to everythingwe've been talking about,
showing up.
I said, I'm coming to your talk,and I come to your talk, like
for real.
SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
Yeah, because we met the night before, drinking,
drinking, and it's funny becauseI'm doing that's the thing about
showing up because remember thevisitina, the lady who was
sitting next to me at the table.
We also walked with that at PRHdrinking at the after party.
SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
I didn't tell them to open up that bar, you know,
but I wasn't gonna tell them toclose it.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (10:25):
But appreciate that.
Yeah.
So we met at night, and shereally said I was like, I'm
presenting tomorrow.
She's like, I'm definitely gonnacome.
What time is your presentation?
And then I told her the title,she's like, Oh, I actually
wanted to come to that, I wasalready gonna come to that one.
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
In my agenda.
So I come through, she'spresenting, the information is
quality.
I'm loving her.
SPEAKER_02 (10:47):
I was wondering.
Shout out to Bree, Casey, andWalter.
By the way, as of today, I knowwe are recording on October 2nd,
so I'm sorry, Bri, but Bree justturned party today and even a
best price for everybody.
So happy birthday, Bree.
So many toasts.
That's what I said.
This is long is the longest, butBree was one of my panelists.
(11:08):
Uh-huh.
I was moderating it with Bree.
Water was the only man holdingit down.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
The great walks.
So, in that experience of seeingyou moderate the panel, I love a
good panel.
I love a good moderator.
You did your thing.
Um, I like how you showed upwith all the branding.
Like you were very serious andvery, you were serious, and we
(11:34):
can tell everybody who meets youcan tell is you're serious about
your shit, but not in a waywhere it's like you take
yourself too seriously.
That's a very specific balance.
Not everybody can maintain that,not everybody can achieve that.
I like to think that I do that,but I think that you are great
at that.
And so, in all of theauthenticity coming through, the
(11:57):
way that it does, the way thatit did, and you very making it
very clear from a jump, I'm aconnector.
I'm not a gatekeeper, I'm aconnector.
That's gonna resonate with mebecause that's me.
I just want everybody to knowabout what's available based on
(12:19):
what I know.
I don't know everything, I don'tknow everybody, I can't get you
in all the rooms.
I I don't know if I cannecessarily get you to the top,
but I'm willing to at least belike, let me hand you this brick
and maybe you can add this toyour foundation, add this to
your wall.
I just like to know that I wasable to contribute to that.
And so I felt that same spiritin you.
(12:41):
And so when you were starting toinvite me to stuff, which was
basically right away, I waslike, cool, I'm coming.
Because like it means a lot tome to know that someone thought
enough of me to make sure that Iwas in that room.
So yeah, it's it's your myexperience with you has been you
(13:02):
were how you was initially, andit has been consistent.
And as long as you maintainthat, then I know that I made a
good pick, and that's how I am.
And so maybe it's a little bitof you know, not narcissism, but
it's like you appreciate havingthe access to similar qualities
(13:23):
that you possess in somebodythat you call a friend.
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
So I love that.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
I thought you were gonna give me one.
That's how I love that.
SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
And and it's funny because even um Mark today told
me about that panel.
Like you you were there and hesaid, like, yo, um, because
initially Mark was supposed tomoderate that panel.
Oh, but he made sure to chew it.
Yeah, he was like, because wewere hosting Atlanta Podcast was
hosting the after party thatnight, meaning Mark would have
(13:55):
to be active, was like Paul andyou know my people want, I can't
do both.
So, and I'd rather do the partybecause it's drinking, like I
can easily talk to people whenexactly open bar, baby.
SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Atlanta, a podcast Atlanta came through for that.
Low-key or like hey, everybody'sgetting along every time.
SPEAKER_02 (14:16):
That morning we did a workshop where we presented to
a couple people share up toPatch of Cherry, and then in the
afternoon I did my panel.
So I felt like I deserved thathowever much drinking I was
doing.
But anyway, when when today Markum told me, I was like, Paula,
they came back with feedback.
Like, we're really grateful thatyou recommended, you recommended
(14:36):
a good uh like the right person.
And and that's why I saysometimes you don't you're not
unsure of what you you're doing,but you're doing it so to get
those feedback really helps youkeep pushing.
But um, everything that yousaid, right?
And uh I'm a person who onething, one of the reasons why I
share stuff with uh the people,and I will share, but if you're
(15:00):
never gonna show up, I'm gonnaeventually stop sharing.
But if you're showing up andevery now and then you miss
because life happens and shithappens, I'll still keep
sharing.
But um, I'm a person whobelieves that it's stayed.
Yeah, uh you know that there yougo.
But I'm a person who believesthat the algorithm works in its
way and we are not all followingthe same people.
(15:22):
And sometimes we assumeeverybody knows us or everybody
knows things, but people knowyou.
The people who know you knowyou, but the rest of the people
don't know you.
Or the rest uh or you might notknow what everything has
happened.
So whenever things arehappening, I don't care if it's
something you're interested inor not, I might share it because
(15:42):
in my head as well, you mightnot be interested, but you might
know somebody who I don't knowin yourself or who might be.
So even when it comes to joboffers, whatever, like I just
share when when it's somethingthat I know it makes sense.
I share, I'm like, I'm justsharing to whoever it might work
for you or your your yourcommunity or your people.
SPEAKER_00 (16:01):
Can I give you a specific example of how that
worked with the last event thatwe went to together?
First of all, we got freelaptops, period.
We have three laptops, like,come on.
SPEAKER_02 (16:12):
After that event called, I was like, bitch, you
better keep inviting me to allthis shit because I'm coming
out.
And I was like, I was alreadypulling up, but I was like, I
don't know if I'm ever gonna beable to talk this one.
SPEAKER_00 (16:25):
But it was so lit though, because it was my
birthday month.
I celebrate my birthday allmonth, so it was just like happy
birthday to me.
Your girl got a free Capruda.
But I invited someone to yourpoint.
And we're just uh thank you,time, thank you, time.
Oh, and Square Readers.
So this event was sponsored bySquare.
Shout out to Square andBusiness.
(16:48):
And um the event wasspecifically uh geared towards
food entrepreneurs.
SPEAKER_02 (16:57):
Food and beverage, because Infa is coming to
Atlanta 2026.
SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
Where I had, you know, just when I when I
received the invitation, I waslike, cool, let me, what is the
term that we use?
Pay it forward.
Who can I invite to this thatwill make sense?
I don't like to just randomlyinvite people to stuff, make it
make sense.
So I invited a good friend ofmine, Patricia, who is a
gardener, you know, because wewe all up in this gardening and
plant gang.
(17:24):
And I said, hey girl, um, thisis what it is.
She signed up for it.
Baby, it was like three, fourweeks out.
We pull up to the event.
I see her.
I forgot that I have invitedher.
I was like, oh, it's so great tosee you here.
I invited you.
(17:45):
Anyway, the point being, Iinvited her because that's just
how much life was lifing.
I invited her and forgot that Iinvited her.
SPEAKER_02 (17:53):
She didn't forgot that event was happening because
she was inviting me to anotherevent that was happening, but
then I was like, baby, I'm goingto this event.
She was like, Oh, she didforward this.
SPEAKER_00 (18:03):
I was like, hey, girl, it was a Wednesday night.
SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
Imagine if you'd have gone to your this and knew
how much you're cheap.
SPEAKER_00 (18:11):
I would have missed that laptop trying to check.
No, it's not everybody was gonnabe in place except for me.
So I invited Patricia.
Then it was a Wednesday, thatMonday, I said, Hey, Paula, you
should come up here to thisother event on Wednesday.
(18:32):
She's talking about, well, I'mgoing to this event.
I said, you know what, babe?
That's what we said.
All right, let me fix mycalendar.
So yeah, saying all that to say.
SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
And she did say she was like, I thought I had
something I just wasn't sure.
And this is why calendars worklike me myself, if it's not on
the calendar, I can listen fromit.
Yeah.
And sometimes when people justtext you times or whatever, and
it doesn't, I I like when shecomes to your email and says add
to calendar.
Add to calendar.
Even though you're coming, addto calendar, it's like you kind
(19:05):
of forget.
Like, even you remember when youwere talking about us recording
this on October 2nd, I was like,excuse me, you're like, when am
I coming on your show?
I'm like, well, when are youfree?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So you were going through yourcalendar and you're like October
2nd, and I was like, shit, Ithink I have something.
I was supposed to record it 11.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
But I had something with Mark, but because I
personally didn't put it on mycalendar, that reminds me of a
scripture from the New Testamentwhere I I can't remember if it
was Mark, Luke, James, or Paul,but he said, Isn't this great?
Your flight leaves at 8, myflight lands at nine.
(19:50):
That's not New Testament, whichy'all finally read.
unknown (19:52):
I know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
It depends on which version of the KJV.
SPEAKER_02 (19:57):
I don't know what testament that is, but let's
wrap it up.
SPEAKER_00 (19:59):
Let's wrap it up.
So it's the unofficial, officialtakeover of talk shit with P.
It's your girl.
Nicola be talking.
Talking shit with P.
(20:21):
I love talking.
Talking shit.
Just shit.
It happens to be a specialty ofmine.
So it's a good time.
No shit was missed.
Drinks was drinked.
Drunk drinked.
Drinked.
And um everybody's winning.
(20:45):
Feel me?
SPEAKER_02 (20:49):
No, that's fine.
It's a Thursday night.
Well, for Porter, Thursday isdrinking ready for her.
So when people decide to whenpeople decide to do shit with me
on Thursday, that means you'regonna drink regardless.
Okay, listen up, y'all.
I'm about to give you all agreat ass tip, okay?
Y'all know I barely read my DMsand God don't get me started on
(21:15):
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SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
Alright, and take a picture.
Take look, let's do it again.
You ready?
And take drink.
We're gonna be numbers.
SPEAKER_02 (23:16):
No again.
You're supposed to as soon asyou do that, you're supposed to
see.
SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
You're right.
Okay, and take drink.
SPEAKER_02 (23:25):
Because I'm gonna say drink and then not do you.
But yeah, what's up?
What's up?
Okay, so it's been kind of anend of this.
As much as I'm enjoying this somuch, I don't want to pretend.
SPEAKER_00 (23:37):
Really go for another hour.
SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
I feel like we we we we might end up setting a show
together, but it will be a liveshow.
We are live.
SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
I've been wanting to do a show with the co-host just
to have this kind of fun.
Yeah, but we don't live, noediting.
I don't give a shit if it'slive.
I prefer that it's live becauseit's easier that way.
I don't want to script the shit.
Like, let's talk our shit.
SPEAKER_02 (23:58):
I feel like one week every week will be too much, but
once a month.
SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
Every other week.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Oh, yeah, or every other week.
SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
Once a month is not enough.
SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
Yeah, once a month feels too long and it might too
much.
Yeah, every other week.
What can you hear first?
Y'all vote.
Oh, y'all reach out to us afterlistening to this episode.
Do you think we should start alive show?
Every other week.
SPEAKER_00 (24:24):
We're twinning.
We're winning.
The future is so bright, wegotta wear sunglasses.
So before y'all even answered.
SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
Every other week, yes.
Alright, what's up?
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
What you got for me?
SPEAKER_02 (24:37):
As you know, this um season for me is all about uh
growth, cavertine, andrebranding.
And we have talked about growthfor you.
Yeah.
And um personally, it yeah.
Um so let's talk.
Um, I'm curious with um Black inthe Garden.
(25:00):
If you ever had in six years in,um I know we talked she would be
in two years we rebrandedbecause the logo changed from I
had a normal lip logo, and thenI went to my face logo.
I'm wondering if you everrebranded or and if you have,
what does that what did thatlook for you?
(25:22):
Um, are you if you haven't, areyou planning to look for you?
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Well, um, my rebranding happened so early in
the podcast that you couldn'teven it was hard to call it a
rebrand because like, let mesee, I started the podcast on
November 19th, 2019, and byMarch I had uh professional
(25:50):
rebranding.
Uh shout out to Paula Champagne,aka at Maker Channel.
SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
Wait, did you say Paula Champagne?
Do you know Paula Champagne?
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
No, I just said my name, Paula.
Oh why?
Because what would I tell you?
All the Paula's that I know arelegit and lit.
So how did that not crazy?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Because, like, just like bombass women.
So another Paula who was, youknow, just as dope, but in in
(26:20):
the visual storytellingdepartment.
So she rebranded my show.
She created the imagery and thelogo that you associated with it
for those of you who arefamiliar with the visual
branding of Black in the Garden.
Um, she also illustrated all ofthe guests that I had, had a a
customized, personal,personalized illustration for
(26:46):
about two years.
And so that is what makes up thecontent of the Black in the
Garden coloring experience.
And so it's been a reallyamazing time with that.
And there's still a lot of moremerch that I'm gonna put out
that is um emphasizing that,those aesthetics.
But as far as the rebranding, ohmy gosh, I'm excited to do that.
(27:09):
I like a lot of the coreelements of Black in the Garden,
especially like the text, um,what do you call it?
The text logo.
Um, the trademark is pending,but it's already been applied
for.
And so what I would like to dowith rebranding is just um
currently my illustration of mylike Black in the Garden cover
(27:32):
art avatar is me in illustratedform.
Do you have an illustrator?
Paula.
Yeah, yeah.
But I would like in the futureiteration of the show, um, the
future rebranding of it, I wouldlike for it to be more like me.
I'm thinking, oh, I gotta do acute photo shoot, I gotta, you
(27:54):
know, maybe make it kind of sexyor something like that.
I'm not really sure yet, becauseunfortunately, one of the side
effects of being a hypercreative is so many ideas.
Too many ideas.
And then you're just kind ofgetting this overwhelm of like,
well, what do I actually do?
So just it's important to taketime, quiet, get the clarity in
(28:18):
order to say, all right, this isthis is what I should do to move
it forward.
But I definitely want to um inas I've been having events over
the last month, I've beenconsiderate of like, okay, how
do I promote and market these?
What is the scheme for theaesthetics that I put out?
(28:42):
And it's definitely clean, sexy,minimal.
So that's pretty much what I cantell you as far as where it's
going when it comes to likepromotional things and and just
the way the aesthetics are arepresented.
But when it comes to therebrand, yeah, I don't freaking
know.
I'm I'm literally in transition.
My podcast right now is goingfrom one network to independent
(29:10):
or potentially on anothernetwork.
And so what that looks like forme is because I am divorced and
I have been through the fullmarriage and divorce process.
What it feels like for me rightnow, as far as the Black in the
Garden business goes, is I'mseparated and I'm not divorced
yet, so I gotta make sure that Iget all the the T's crossed and
(29:33):
the I's dotted, and then I moveinto an independent space where
I'm just single for a while.
Or I go at one of these suitorswho wants to marry the show as
in bring it to their network.
So that's where I'm at.
Does that scare you?
No, I like change.
(29:53):
Like I I've been through a lot.
No, I'm gonna answer yourquestion.
It does not scare me.
To have unanswered questionsbecause I'm always excited about
like, okay, well, what is thisgonna look like?
How is it gonna feel?
What's next?
But yeah, it is exciting to meto know.
I don't like uncertainty.
(30:14):
I'm not saying that I like it,but something about the way my
humanity is set up is I'm justlike sometimes you just don't
know what's happening next.
So you just gotta look forwardto like, well, how is this
gonna, how's this gonna land?
People like to know stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (30:29):
Yeah, but knowing is not always good anyways.
But um my my my my my my ride onthis was with uh rebranding,
right?
My question was personally onthe on the rebranding, because I
remember when I rebranded andchanged the logo when you
already have fans who are usedto things a certain way, right?
(30:50):
Yeah, and most people don't likechange, however, much we
encourage change, you know,because people love their
comfort zones, people likeknowing what they know, people
like being in the that's whythere's some people like the
comfort, that's where there'speople still in their hometown,
not because there's it's doinganything for them, but because
(31:10):
it's comfortable, yeah, that'swhat they know.
Exactly.
So what else?
Even though you know you'rebetter than those kids, they're
a little too big, too grown, tooaesthetic.
I was so scared.
Really?
(31:30):
And nervous to show the newlogo.
As much as I loved it and I knewdeep down, no matter what, I
made the right decision.
But then again, I wish thepodcast was just for us.
And and I always tell people thepodcast is for me, but
eventually you wanted to helpsomebody or touch somebody,
right?
(31:51):
So at the end of the day, it waslike just like constructive
criticism.
You wanna hear it, but you don'talso want to hear it.
Like, I want to hear it.
But I don't want you to tell mewhat I'm doing wrong.
Like, you know, that so that'sthat's where I was, but then it
got delivered so well because ofthe local people felt like yo,
(32:13):
this actually used to get you.
Like we see you.
Yeah, but it was still one typeof me was like nerve-wracking,
like wondering how like how arepeople gonna take it?
I'm so scared, I'm so one ifpeople don't like it and I lose.
Because mind you, it's not likeI had that much fun, right?
It's literal when you have athousand, a million, how you
(32:36):
have like 10, 15, 20, you'relike if I lose even five.
SPEAKER_03 (32:40):
It's real.
SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
Even one, it's definitely so every one of them
mattered, but um, to be able tosee them, everybody tell me that
it was the best decision andit's better than the first, and
like this makes sense.
But you don't expect that whenyou're going in because you
don't know what the reactionswill be, and people can be mean,
(33:03):
like especially on the internet,especially on the internet,
because right on your face.
Yeah, but that's that's whereyou're promoting it, right?
You're you're premiering it tothe internet, it's not like
you're premiering live, evenwhen you're doing live.
But so I was asking, are youscared in that sense when you
(33:24):
make changes to um something,especially when you already
build a community of fans,right?
And pivoting, rebranding growthcomes with a lot of changes.
So when you make that, are youscared and nervous of how the
community might react or how youmight lose a few because they
(33:47):
don't affect which direction youwin?
SPEAKER_00 (33:52):
The first thing that came up in consideration of how
to answer that is outcast.
I am a huge fan of outcast.
Outcast is really my favorite.
Yeah, one thing about outcastwhen it comes to authenticity
and innovation in the creativeprocess for putting out
something that is, you know,it's in this genre, but it is
(34:16):
also very much like pushing thethe innovative boundaries of
that child.
When I think of outcasts and howit was always the standard for
them to innovate creatively.
And they did.
And that has been what I justnaturally adopted because I'm
just like, well, if that'sblueprint for me, if that's who
has always resonated with mesince I was a child, um, into
(34:40):
adulthood and and having thegreat uh uh privilege to be able
to just be in Atlanta where theywas, you know, really doing
their thing and coming to be ascreative.
I'm like, nah, I ain't scaredabout no innovation, I ain't
scared about changing nothingbecause uh every change that you
see happening in the things thatI put out in the work that I am
(35:04):
um producing creatively, it isfor the sake of innovation.
It is for the sake of addingsomething very unique and very
relevant to the canon of theblack cultural conversation.
So whatever it takes to makesure that y'all are paying
(35:25):
attention and that y'allunderstand the significance, I'm
gonna keep going.
I'm gonna keep innovating.
If I gotta rebrand, I gottarebrand.
If it's changing the look inorder to make sure that
everybody gets it andeverybody's continuing to pay
attention, I just I took afterAlcat.
SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
And I like that because Erica Bandu always walks
his own bottom.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
Erica Badu don't play, baby.
One thing she's gonna do is showup for that show and give you
the show.
SPEAKER_02 (35:55):
I love her.
SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
And she will innovate.
SPEAKER_02 (35:58):
She will give you something new every time.
Like the teeth, the theheadsets, the outfits.
SPEAKER_00 (36:06):
She is that you said that you brought Erica Bandu to
the conversation.
SPEAKER_02 (36:10):
Because when the when we're talking about,
whenever I think about art cast,I always also think about Erica
Bandu for some reason.
SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
It's a familiar connection there.
It was a baby mama and daddyconnection.
SPEAKER_02 (36:22):
Yeah, but also the um the fashion sense, because I
don't dress as normal people.
Like I I I grew up as I grew upa tomboy and then I became chic.
Like I've never been a gullygirl or whatever.
Like I don't dress to lookpretty, I dress to the comfort
of the event.
So I always have and I alwaystry to.
Oh, I get it.
I like to I like to put out thestuff out and I like to mix that
(36:46):
tombboy with cheek instead oflooking sexy because I prefer,
you know, personal styles.
Exactly.
So with Erica Baggy and Outcast,they do that, especially in the
black community when it comes towe are talking about back in the
people who we I literally usedto admire them for their style,
(37:10):
the grills, the hats, the thelike even 100, 300.
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
3000.
At a zero, out of zero.
SPEAKER_02 (37:20):
This shit is starting to hit because imagine
if we've done this a little bit,oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:25):
I told you it was for the best, and all we had was
and she said one over the other.
SPEAKER_02 (37:31):
This uh whichever one was yeah, but um it proves
that the fashion statement alsostays true to your authentic
self.
Like it it brings that authenticself, it brings, and the more we
keep growing and pivoting, italso grows and pivot with us.
We understand our body muchbetter, we understand our style
(37:54):
much better, we have trieddifferent shape, we are, you
know, and and and I love that.
And speaking of that, a lot ofthe creators are there is just
starting up and building and andand doing things.
And um, I don't want them tothink we are all living this
lifestyle that we are not.
Me and I use the matter, I Ichange shoes in in the bag in my
(38:17):
matter.
Like, so I want to make sure,and because we both do that and
we're both here and we have seeneach other do that.
Like, how does that affect yourwide robe tracing?
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (38:28):
This is oh, nobody ever asked me about style.
Let's go for it.
How do you pick your my style ismore so like a look, a
silhouette, textures, but mostimportantly, it is an expression
of how do I say this?
It's it's it's a way to expressmyself.
(38:49):
When I'm dressing, when I'mdetermining what I'm gonna wear,
it is it's definitely focused onlike some kind of expression.
Um, I'm also very much into thesustainability aspect of style.
And so what that means for me isbaby, you're gonna see me wear
the same stuff a few times.
I don't care if I've takenpictures in it, I don't care if
(39:12):
I was at such and such event,this or that or whatever.
You gonna see that dress again,you're gonna see that shirt,
then pants, them glasses.
SPEAKER_02 (39:19):
What and if I like it, then like I'm a waitress
because I paid for itmotherfucking.
SPEAKER_00 (39:25):
I can name so many people who I appreciate for
emphasizing like wear yourclothes.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
So sometimes people just buy them to wear them one
time, but you're always thinkingif I like it, I'm like saying it
different or I'm a weight thesame.
It doesn't match about it'sgonna get worn.
SPEAKER_00 (39:42):
It's not about but it's not purely about frugality
for me.
I'm definitely a frugal girly,but at the same time, my when it
comes to style and wearing thesame thing, the same pieces
multiple times, especially whenI know I'll be photographed, I
am considering, oh, everyopportunity, not let me rephrase
(40:06):
that.
Every time I wear these pieces,again, there's an opportunity to
style it in a different way.
So it's just kind of showing theversatility of it.
And it's the opportunity, yeah,it's the opportunity to
emphasize, okay, there iscreativity here when it comes to
how I'm deciding on how to wearsomething.
So that's what it is.
SPEAKER_02 (40:28):
It's not about what you're wearing, it's how you
style.
It is how you style it.
And yeah, because you can wearan expensive shirt and still
look like this before.
Oh, maybe you can look you canwear Ross, and I'm here for
Ross, they should have a Ross.
I'm a Rose Man, but I'm fine.
Yeah, you know, goodwill.
I've bought some good shoes andcross at Google, like you know,
a lot of the stuff you send meon.
(40:50):
But it's how you you you switchit up and dress it up.
But um my necessary point was onus using public transport and
having to switch in the between.
That was that was where thequestion was going on.
SPEAKER_00 (41:05):
Because it's all about logistics.
It's not just the logistics oflike how am I getting around
when it comes to the publictransportation aspect of getting
around, using that mode oftransportation.
But it's also like if I knowthat I'm doing multiple things,
how am I switching it up?
Like when I first came up onyou, and as the seasons are
(41:25):
changing right now, so we are atthe middle of the beginning of
October.
So when I left the house today,earlier when the temperature was
in the early 70s, I said, cool,I'm wearing my little cutoff um
crop shop, crop shop shop, whatis a crop shop?
That is wine.
What is a crop shop?
(41:46):
That is wine.
I wear my crop shop.
My crop shop sweatshirt, butI've packed a t-shirt, this
t-shirt that I'm currentlywearing.
So that's um beyond cowboy cardto the mat.
(42:07):
Um we're not gonna talk aboutit.
But when I put on my crop shophoodie, sweatshirt, and then I
know that I might get hot and Ineed to change it to a t-shirt,
then I'm just prepared to beversatile.
But yeah, I appreciate I reallyappreciate that question.
SPEAKER_02 (42:25):
Yeah, because um I feel like social media has made
people seem like everybody's onthat budget, but fuck that.
SPEAKER_00 (42:33):
I'm here to give anybody who needs permission.
Baby, if you feel like you wantto wear that again, wear it
again, wear it five times.
SPEAKER_02 (42:42):
And we also show up by using the like the public
transport.
We don't drive cars.
I seen it live off the otherday.
SPEAKER_00 (42:50):
I wear this.
I said, look, there's anopportunity there to potentially
become an ambassador.
SPEAKER_02 (42:57):
So the reason I asked this question was to let
you all know that if you'reputting those limits on
yourself, you're just blockingyour own blessings.
Because if you really can shop,whether it's by bus, by train,
by boat, by line, by bicycle,shop.
Put your backpack, put your shitin.
(43:18):
There's always like I switchshoes, like I might dress, or
sometimes I'll be like, you knowwhat?
I can wear this and then to becomfortable because I don't want
to be too short in the whateverI'll put ties, and then when I
get to the place I'm going,remove the tights and the
sandals and put on the heels andquick little switch.
Like the visa.
Yeah, she saw pictures of meearlier.
(43:39):
I had sneakers.
SPEAKER_01 (43:40):
I didn't need though.
You didn't even need the heels.
SPEAKER_02 (43:43):
I I didn't need to, but also it was like because
when people say business, youknow, even feels yeah, but but
if if it was like a podcastmeetup, I'd have showed up with
that dress and the and thesneakers.
And the sneakers.
It was done.
So I wasn't uns I wasn't wellwhen you're unsure, you just
coming that way.
That's why it's like if if Ifelt like off, I would have used
(44:06):
to go into the bathroom andchange, but but it works, and
especially with the pictures weended up taking.
Because, you know?
So don't put limits on yourself.
And as we come to an end, right?
I have some rapid questions foryou.
Let's do it.
All right.
Uh fire.
Biggest pivot you've made inlife that nobody saw coming.
(44:30):
Don't tell me zoom divorce.
Biggest pivot, shit, I don'tknow.
SPEAKER_00 (44:36):
I moved a lot.
Like, I just I've had to just bequick on my feet in in in making
sure that me and my family wasgood when it came to housing.
Ciao, Atlanta, uh, a few states.
Oh my god, like, don't get mestarted with that.
Okay, it's it's a lot, but justbeing quick on my feet and
knowing that if some shit godown, I gotta make sure that me
(44:59):
and my kids are good.
SPEAKER_02 (45:00):
Alright.
What song defines your energyright now?
SPEAKER_01 (45:04):
Oh, right now.
Um, hey by Iman Omari.
I don't know the.
If you know, you know, just golook it up.
It's a beautiful song.
I love it.
High energy.
SPEAKER_02 (45:15):
Gross talk that actually works, but most people
overlook.
SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
Self-awareness.
SPEAKER_02 (45:21):
Very true.
SPEAKER_00 (45:22):
Yeah, you you don't get further when you know what
the fuck is going on with you.
SPEAKER_02 (45:27):
One podcast everybody should listen to
besides their own.
SPEAKER_00 (45:32):
I'm gonna say the friend zone.
Who's that?
Oh my god, because you're gonnaget something out of that one
way or the other.
It's cultural, it's self notself-help.
SPEAKER_01 (45:45):
What is the word?
So much wine.
Self-awareness.
SPEAKER_00 (45:51):
What is it called?
Personal development?
Self-awareness.
Personal development.
You want to ask me rapid firesafter like one.
SPEAKER_02 (46:00):
Okay, last one.
If you you could title thisepisode with our friendship,
what would the title of thisepisode be?
Will it we live, baby?
SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
For multiple reasons.
SPEAKER_02 (46:13):
Um before we leave, let the people know who you are,
what you do, uh what you gotgoing on, when they can find
you, and all those good stuff.
This is the sell yourselfportion.
SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
Hello everyone.
I am Cola B.
Talkin, the hostess with theMost Us of the Black in the
Garden podcast.
And you can find me on all ofyour favorite podcast platforms
at Black in the Garden, orrather, just look for Black in
the Garden.
Um, you can find me on thesocials.
I make most use out of Instagramat Black in the Garden.
(46:55):
You can also find me at Cola BeTalking on Instagram.
You can find me at Black in theGarden on pretty much all the
socials that I do use.
If you don't find me, it justwasn't me.
But uh I have a website,blkinthegarden.com.
I just want y'all to listen tothe podcast real bad.
Like just listen and and tune inand and and support.
SPEAKER_02 (47:18):
But you can tell the people what you do.
SPEAKER_00 (47:20):
What oh god, what do I do?
I have things coming up, but Ican't really tell you
specifically right now because Idon't have to do it.
Not the website.
That's I've not been doing thebest at keeping the website
updated with that.
Follow on social media,Instagram is where you can
definitely keep up to date withthat.
(47:41):
My link tree at Black and theGarden.
But here's here's what's mostimportant as far as the timing
of when this episode will air,uh, which is right around the
time, if not on the exact dateof the anniversary, the sixth
anniversary of the Black and theGarden podcast.
Big eighty years, over 150episodes.
(48:05):
Like we are really still here.
And so I'm grateful for that.
You can, yeah, this is comingout after the conferences.
So I don't want to say too muchbecause as far as November goes,
I don't know.
Just celebrate with me on theanniversary, just follow me on
the socials and go like somestuff and comment and engage and
(48:25):
share some shit.
Whatever you see there, go shareit.
Like it.
Love it.
SPEAKER_02 (48:30):
Follow our to celebrate uh sixth anniversary,
but um, I think when people havesell them shit themselves, and I
I I I think because some peopleare so used to being introduced
in an uh in a traditional way,and I don't do that.
So uh I thought we were gonnacome to an end, but I have to
question her on this becauseshe's been saying, because you
(48:53):
have coloring books, you havebooks, like everything.
Like you should know when I tellyou sell yourself, I mean sell
your motherfucking self.
SPEAKER_00 (49:03):
You won't ask me to sell myself.
SPEAKER_02 (49:04):
No, no, you should have a bottle of wine.
I feel like you should tellpeople that hey, I also have
coloring books when you go myway.
SPEAKER_03 (49:13):
Hold on, hold on.
I can do it.
Hold on, let me see.
SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
It's not my fault she decided to drink.
I don't tell people you need todrink to come on this show.
SPEAKER_00 (49:22):
The Black Women are in coloring experience is a very
special, specific, andcustomized offering that is for
not just fans of the podcast,but for anybody because
everybody likes color, great formental health, mindfulness, and
those types of activities.
So I'm just saying all that tosay that when you go to blk in
(49:44):
the garden.com, you can learnmore about how to get your own
copy of that.
Period.
SPEAKER_02 (49:53):
Thank you.
And while you're doing that, shehas the playlist.
Oh, yeah.
So you can be coloring whenlistening to the playlist.
SPEAKER_00 (50:03):
So you you did your research.
So the playlist, I do have aplaylist.
I'm not sure exactly where itis, but I have a playlist.
It's on YouTube all of thepodcasts that I have been a
guest on.
On YouTube.
That's on my Spotify.
But I do have a playlist of allof the, if you look for Black in
the Garden podcasts on YouTube,you can see all of these
(50:23):
beautiful visual um podcaststhat we've done.
It's it's a lot, y'all.
I like I said earlier in theinterview towards the top, I
just do the shit and I be on tothe next.
I'm not sitting up here like,oh, that was so great.
I didn't really, I really did mybig one.
I be on to the next because I'mjust ready to get the next thing
(50:45):
out into the world.
SPEAKER_02 (50:47):
All right.
Well, thank you so much forhanging out with me.
We have me.
We had lunch, we drank somewine.
Um probably shouldn't havesmoked that shit.
Oh my gosh.
Because it it took us there, butum you're amazing.
I have a last last attack.
You kind of just have to oneword.
Go for it.
(51:08):
Growth feels like fill in theblank.
Growth feels like stretching.
Oh my god, Mark said the samething.
Period.
It sounds like stretching ishard, but it's wonderful when
you come out of it.
Oh my god, Mark said the sameshit and for your fucking hoe,
(51:32):
man.
Growth is serious business.
It was the mark.
We were all chilling togetherfor lunch today, but she was not
part of the episode.
She came later after we wererecording.
I just said the same thing.
Yeah, but I said the same thing.
What was it?
SPEAKER_00 (51:53):
You gotta stretch.
Yeah, and give what feels likegoing outside of your comfort
zone with with intention andstrategy.
Amen.
SPEAKER_02 (52:04):
Rebrand feels like no shit.
Because she moved from our uhwine to my wine, that's new
shit.
SPEAKER_00 (52:18):
Period.
It was good too.
SPEAKER_02 (52:20):
And that's a pivot.
Pivot can be anything, y'all.
SPEAKER_00 (52:23):
Whatever it is.
SPEAKER_02 (52:24):
So um, thank you all for hanging out with us, but I'm
soil cousins.
SPEAKER_00 (52:30):
That's my my audience, my supporters are my
soil cousins.
And when I sign off and I'mwalking out or cutting off the
microphone, I always like towish you all love, light, and
soil.
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Hi Chick Talkers! Welcome toTalking Whippy.
And I'm your spoiler, the shittalker.
SPEAKER_04 (00:37):
Shit talking, always talking.
Shit Talkers come on indropping.
Shit talk is the always talking.
Talk to sit with pain.
SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
I mean, don't we all like to be shit anyways?
Should we please the podcast forme?
SPEAKER_04 (00:58):
Copy sit with paid.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
A person who plays the long game, like I'm not a
now-no person.
This way I volunteer, this way II work events instead of
attending them.
This way, this because I getmore out of that.
I get a lot from attending.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
That's the pro tip.
From volunteering.
You get a lot more fromvolunteering.
That's what I'm saying.
You get a lot from volunteering.
I've been doing this for years.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
The first thing you think you get a lot from
attending.
SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
But that's I have to fix it.
Yeah, first thing always.
I just remember as far back aslike 15 years ago, figuring out
I knew that there was somethingthat I wanted to participate in
and just not having the means tolike buy a ticket.
And so I realized when youvolunteer, you get even more
(01:51):
access than you would.
SPEAKER_02 (01:53):
Everything.
If you were an agenda at Niti,you can only be in the agenda.
But when you have one,everything.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
And then because I volunteered at a really cool
event that was hosted by areally cool organization, then
I'm seeing like these premiumperks, like, oh, well, we're
having a mixer after, we'rehaving a nice meal, we're we're
gonna take care of you in thesetypes of ways.
So it was just like, sure, yeah.
It's not something that I do allof the time, but I just know
(02:25):
when you have a like if you havethat.
And I really want to engage.
And it's also a uh a pro tip formarketing.
Not marketing, that's not whatI'm gonna say.
It's a pro tip.
Well, it can work for marketing.
It's a pro tip for networking.
SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
Very much.
Um, I remember the first podcastwhen I went and I was just
randomly believing a lot ofpeople through virtually because
they really know virtually, buton the second time I've decided
to volunteer and I volunteeredon the front desk, and then they
kept me in the line.
So I was talking to people whoprobably I would have not even
seen because we are talkingabout conference of 2000.
(03:01):
Um when you're checking peoplein, that's such a you get to
read their labels, you get toknow their podcasts, you're
like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then people also see yourstrength.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (03:12):
So podcasts saw my strength, they're like, yo,
Paula is good with people.
Paula because there's a longline, Paula entertains people
where they don't feel like theline is long.
Right.
So they would always put me inplaces where there's lines and
people, and I don't mind talkingabout it.
Because you're mitigating me.
And then I went from that tobeing an ambassador to winning
our community heroes award tobecoming a mayor and a governor
(03:34):
of court first.
SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
So you better when people see you, I want a little
bit of yours.
SPEAKER_02 (03:41):
So people, people you also end up finding your
skills in what you can dobecause when you're
volunteering, you don't knownecessarily where they're
putting you, right?
And they can shift you aroundevery time.
This is good.
I'm listening.
I mean, though.
You decided to buy a small assbottle for me.
SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
It was not like that.
SPEAKER_02 (04:12):
And I'm drinking on big glass, I still have three
big glasses of mine.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
I didn't know it was like you're going to just pass
for me yours.
SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
So, anyhow.
But they see you, they give youopportunities, they connect you
with people.
Now I get paid to do events incertain places, and they they
require me.
And somebody was even tellingme, right, yo, Paula, do you
know whenever we're planningevents, your name constantly
keeps coming up?
But because when you go outthere and you just do you, your
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strength, people watch and theysee.
I've also said rooms wherepeople tell the owners, like,
next year, fan speaking, canPaula be the host of my room?
Because she really got peoplegoing.
I got ended up being invited tobe the press for the Ambies for
my first year attending theAmbies.
(05:04):
And I've never done press redcarpet or anything, but it was
like people notice you exactly.
Like it's not credentials.
And to me, I always think likeI'm just adding shit on my on my
regime.
And when I say everything isfigured out about, I use this
work was like you say you can.
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I feel like if you really wantto do something, even if you're
new at it, you can figure it outif you really want to.
SPEAKER_00 (05:34):
I didn't know how to do a podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (05:35):
Exactly.
Me neither.
I started out, I was I wasgoogling, I was YouTube
watching, I was watching the PRXvideos for how to start a
podcast.
But at that time in 2020,remember the we we used to call
it Instagram College becauseeverybody was doing free
courses.
Oh my god, the masterclasses?
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Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
I took so many masterclasses.
I'm not seeing these screenshotsand notes.
Like, as soon as I got to thepart where they start selling,
I'd just be like, oh my god,this was so nice.
Thank you.
I'm gonna go, but like, thankyou for the free game.
But I a lot of the shit that Iknow that is part of my core.
SPEAKER_02 (06:14):
And this is why shout out to the Hi-Half
Clubhouse.
Uh and I mean sorry, the HighHalf Breakfast Club, which is
Chris, uh, Dominic and Walter,they keep me straight.
Shout out to the Mopad boys,Joe, uh, Mike and Chase, they
keep me straight.
Shout out to Gordon who makessure my my paperwork is right
because he's an entertainmentlawyer.
(06:36):
Two episodes back, go listen toit.
But um again, it also comes backto the power of showing up.
Because yes, we you know peoplevirtually, you can easily meet
people virtually, but there's adifference between feeling
somebody's energy virtually thanin real life.
SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
Oh, it's a big difference.
It felt a lot easier and fasterif I could touch you, baby.
And I don't mean that in no kindof way, I just mean if we in
person.
You said that you said if we'rein person and you can feel the
authenticity that is radiatingfrom me.
SPEAKER_02 (07:11):
And you can also easy.
And you can also easily call outbullshit compared to butchering.
You can smell the energy, youcan smell the motion.
So you know exactly how it is.
And um, speaking of that, I'mgonna ask the question that I
asked everybody.
But most people have known melonger, so for you it might be a
little bit different becauseit's just been a few months.
(07:34):
But this is one of our biggestquestions for season 10 because
again, I believe in givingpeople flowers, and this this
season is giving myself flowersbecause 10 bitch, I did that.
Season 10, five years we've beendoing this shit.
Cheers.
Yes, congratulations.
Thank you.
So um, your impression of mewhen you first met me, and let
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the people know when you met me.
Okay, and then to now that Ifeel like our relationship has
really gone, we've all been ineach other's houses.
We have you know, yeah, we havewe have many secrets.
We talk a lot, so and from nowwhere now you really know me,
what's your impression?
Now it's the it's the same.
(08:19):
It's funny you say that almosteverybody says that like they
may just have like that was soeasy.
That's such an easy question,and I can elaborate.
Okay, but yeah, when you firstmet me, what's the first?
Because when you say it's thesame, because what what what are
people relating it to being thesame?
SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
Let me break it down for you, because I'm good at
this.
Okay.
Um I'm I'm a nice way into thiswine, but I'm still articulate,
okay?
She knows her words.
When I first met you, energy washigh, enthusiasm was high, the
connecting, it was justhappening just right off the
rip.
Um I don't know how to explainit, but it it was just like I'm
(09:01):
very big on when I meetsomebody.
I need you to stay consistentwith integrity.
I need you to stay consistentwith energy.
Those are the big things.
And as long as because like whenit comes to me connecting
people, especially connectingdeeply, that is the my preferred
(09:24):
way of connecting.
I'm not interested in thosesurface level connections.
Me neither.
And so we can't yeah, yeah.
So that was how it started.
It was very much me beinginterested in what is she
talking about?
I met you, I think, the morningof or the day before you did
your talk at PRX.
And I said, I need to go seewhat she's talking about.
(09:45):
I'm pulling up.
I pull up, your presentation iswonderful, I'm enjoying what I'm
seeing.
And I had talked to you beforeyour talk, and then that was,
and it goes back to everythingwe've been talking about,
showing up.
I said, I'm coming to your talk,and I come to your talk, like
for real.
SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
Yeah, because we met the night before, drinking,
drinking, and it's funny becauseI'm doing that's the thing about
showing up because remember thevisitina, the lady who was
sitting next to me at the table.
We also walked with that at PRHdrinking at the after party.
SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
I didn't tell them to open up that bar, you know,
but I wasn't gonna tell them toclose it.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (10:25):
But appreciate that.
Yeah.
So we met at night, and shereally said I was like, I'm
presenting tomorrow.
She's like, I'm definitely gonnacome.
What time is your presentation?
And then I told her the title,she's like, Oh, I actually
wanted to come to that, I wasalready gonna come to that one.
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
In my agenda.
So I come through, she'spresenting, the information is
quality.
I'm loving her.
SPEAKER_02 (10:47):
I was wondering.
Shout out to Bree, Casey, andWalter.
By the way, as of today, I knowwe are recording on October 2nd,
so I'm sorry, Bri, but Bree justturned party today and even a
best price for everybody.
So happy birthday, Bree.
So many toasts.
That's what I said.
This is long is the longest, butBree was one of my panelists.
(11:08):
Uh-huh.
I was moderating it with Bree.
Water was the only man holdingit down.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
The great walks.
So, in that experience of seeingyou moderate the panel, I love a
good panel.
I love a good moderator.
You did your thing.
Um, I like how you showed upwith all the branding.
Like you were very serious andvery, you were serious, and we
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can tell everybody who meets youcan tell is you're serious about
your shit, but not in a waywhere it's like you take
yourself too seriously.
That's a very specific balance.
Not everybody can maintain that,not everybody can achieve that.
I like to think that I do that,but I think that you are great
at that.
And so, in all of theauthenticity coming through, the
(11:57):
way that it does, the way thatit did, and you very making it
very clear from a jump, I'm aconnector.
I'm not a gatekeeper, I'm aconnector.
That's gonna resonate with mebecause that's me.
I just want everybody to knowabout what's available based on
(12:19):
what I know.
I don't know everything, I don'tknow everybody, I can't get you
in all the rooms.
I I don't know if I cannecessarily get you to the top,
but I'm willing to at least belike, let me hand you this brick
and maybe you can add this toyour foundation, add this to
your wall.
I just like to know that I wasable to contribute to that.
And so I felt that same spiritin you.
(12:41):
And so when you were starting toinvite me to stuff, which was
basically right away, I waslike, cool, I'm coming.
Because like it means a lot tome to know that someone thought
enough of me to make sure that Iwas in that room.
So yeah, it's it's your myexperience with you has been you
(13:02):
were how you was initially, andit has been consistent.
And as long as you maintainthat, then I know that I made a
good pick, and that's how I am.
And so maybe it's a little bitof you know, not narcissism, but
it's like you appreciate havingthe access to similar qualities
(13:23):
that you possess in somebodythat you call a friend.
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
So I love that.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
I thought you were gonna give me one.
That's how I love that.
SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
And and it's funny because even um Mark today told
me about that panel.
Like you you were there and hesaid, like, yo, um, because
initially Mark was supposed tomoderate that panel.
Oh, but he made sure to chew it.
Yeah, he was like, because wewere hosting Atlanta Podcast was
hosting the after party thatnight, meaning Mark would have
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to be active, was like Paul andyou know my people want, I can't
do both.
So, and I'd rather do the partybecause it's drinking, like I
can easily talk to people whenexactly open bar, baby.
SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Atlanta, a podcast Atlanta came through for that.
Low-key or like hey, everybody'sgetting along every time.
SPEAKER_02 (14:16):
That morning we did a workshop where we presented to
a couple people share up toPatch of Cherry, and then in the
afternoon I did my panel.
So I felt like I deserved thathowever much drinking I was
doing.
But anyway, when when today Markum told me, I was like, Paula,
they came back with feedback.
Like, we're really grateful thatyou recommended, you recommended
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a good uh like the right person.
And and that's why I saysometimes you don't you're not
unsure of what you you're doing,but you're doing it so to get
those feedback really helps youkeep pushing.
But um, everything that yousaid, right?
And uh I'm a person who onething, one of the reasons why I
share stuff with uh the people,and I will share, but if you're
(15:00):
never gonna show up, I'm gonnaeventually stop sharing.
But if you're showing up andevery now and then you miss
because life happens and shithappens, I'll still keep
sharing.
But um, I'm a person whobelieves that it's stayed.
Yeah, uh you know that there yougo.
But I'm a person who believesthat the algorithm works in its
way and we are not all followingthe same people.
(15:22):
And sometimes we assumeeverybody knows us or everybody
knows things, but people knowyou.
The people who know you knowyou, but the rest of the people
don't know you.
Or the rest uh or you might notknow what everything has
happened.
So whenever things arehappening, I don't care if it's
something you're interested inor not, I might share it because
(15:42):
in my head as well, you mightnot be interested, but you might
know somebody who I don't knowin yourself or who might be.
So even when it comes to joboffers, whatever, like I just
share when when it's somethingthat I know it makes sense.
I share, I'm like, I'm justsharing to whoever it might work
for you or your your yourcommunity or your people.
SPEAKER_00 (16:01):
Can I give you a specific example of how that
worked with the last event thatwe went to together?
First of all, we got freelaptops, period.
We have three laptops, like,come on.
SPEAKER_02 (16:12):
After that event called, I was like, bitch, you
better keep inviting me to allthis shit because I'm coming
out.
And I was like, I was alreadypulling up, but I was like, I
don't know if I'm ever gonna beable to talk this one.
SPEAKER_00 (16:25):
But it was so lit though, because it was my
birthday month.
I celebrate my birthday allmonth, so it was just like happy
birthday to me.
Your girl got a free Capruda.
But I invited someone to yourpoint.
And we're just uh thank you,time, thank you, time.
Oh, and Square Readers.
So this event was sponsored bySquare.
Shout out to Square andBusiness.
(16:48):
And um the event wasspecifically uh geared towards
food entrepreneurs.
SPEAKER_02 (16:57):
Food and beverage, because Infa is coming to
Atlanta 2026.
SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
Where I had, you know, just when I when I
received the invitation, I waslike, cool, let me, what is the
term that we use?
Pay it forward.
Who can I invite to this thatwill make sense?
I don't like to just randomlyinvite people to stuff, make it
make sense.
So I invited a good friend ofmine, Patricia, who is a
gardener, you know, because wewe all up in this gardening and
plant gang.
(17:24):
And I said, hey girl, um, thisis what it is.
She signed up for it.
Baby, it was like three, fourweeks out.
We pull up to the event.
I see her.
I forgot that I have invitedher.
I was like, oh, it's so great tosee you here.
I invited you.
(17:45):
Anyway, the point being, Iinvited her because that's just
how much life was lifing.
I invited her and forgot that Iinvited her.
SPEAKER_02 (17:53):
She didn't forgot that event was happening because
she was inviting me to anotherevent that was happening, but
then I was like, baby, I'm goingto this event.
She was like, Oh, she didforward this.
SPEAKER_00 (18:03):
I was like, hey, girl, it was a Wednesday night.
SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
Imagine if you'd have gone to your this and knew
how much you're cheap.
SPEAKER_00 (18:11):
I would have missed that laptop trying to check.
No, it's not everybody was gonnabe in place except for me.
So I invited Patricia.
Then it was a Wednesday, thatMonday, I said, Hey, Paula, you
should come up here to thisother event on Wednesday.
(18:32):
She's talking about, well, I'mgoing to this event.
I said, you know what, babe?
That's what we said.
All right, let me fix mycalendar.
So yeah, saying all that to say.
SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
And she did say she was like, I thought I had
something I just wasn't sure.
And this is why calendars worklike me myself, if it's not on
the calendar, I can listen fromit.
Yeah.
And sometimes when people justtext you times or whatever, and
it doesn't, I I like when shecomes to your email and says add
to calendar.
Add to calendar.
Even though you're coming, addto calendar, it's like you kind
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of forget.
Like, even you remember when youwere talking about us recording
this on October 2nd, I was like,excuse me, you're like, when am
I coming on your show?
I'm like, well, when are youfree?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So you were going through yourcalendar and you're like October
2nd, and I was like, shit, Ithink I have something.
I was supposed to record it 11.
SPEAKER_00 (19:22):
But I had something with Mark, but because I
personally didn't put it on mycalendar, that reminds me of a
scripture from the New Testamentwhere I I can't remember if it
was Mark, Luke, James, or Paul,but he said, Isn't this great?
Your flight leaves at 8, myflight lands at nine.
(19:50):
That's not New Testament, whichy'all finally read.
unknown (19:52):
I know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
It depends on which version of the KJV.
SPEAKER_02 (19:57):
I don't know what testament that is, but let's
wrap it up.
SPEAKER_00 (19:59):
Let's wrap it up.
So it's the unofficial, officialtakeover of talk shit with P.
It's your girl.
Nicola be talking.
Talking shit with P.
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I love talking.
Talking shit.
Just shit.
It happens to be a specialty ofmine.
So it's a good time.
No shit was missed.
Drinks was drinked.
Drunk drinked.
Drinked.
And um everybody's winning.
(20:45):
Feel me?
SPEAKER_02 (20:49):
No, that's fine.
It's a Thursday night.
Well, for Porter, Thursday isdrinking ready for her.
So when people decide to whenpeople decide to do shit with me
on Thursday, that means you'regonna drink regardless.
Okay, listen up, y'all.
I'm about to give you all agreat ass tip, okay?
Y'all know I barely read my DMsand God don't get me started on
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SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
Alright, and take a picture.
Take look, let's do it again.
You ready?
And take drink.
We're gonna be numbers.
SPEAKER_02 (23:16):
No again.
You're supposed to as soon asyou do that, you're supposed to
see.
SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
You're right.
Okay, and take drink.
SPEAKER_02 (23:25):
Because I'm gonna say drink and then not do you.
But yeah, what's up?
What's up?
Okay, so it's been kind of anend of this.
As much as I'm enjoying this somuch, I don't want to pretend.
SPEAKER_00 (23:37):
Really go for another hour.
SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
I feel like we we we we might end up setting a show
together, but it will be a liveshow.
We are live.
SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
I've been wanting to do a show with the co-host just
to have this kind of fun.
Yeah, but we don't live, noediting.
I don't give a shit if it'slive.
I prefer that it's live becauseit's easier that way.
I don't want to script the shit.
Like, let's talk our shit.
SPEAKER_02 (23:58):
I feel like one week every week will be too much, but
once a month.
SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
Every other week.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Oh, yeah, or every other week.
SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
Once a month is not enough.
SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
Yeah, once a month feels too long and it might too
much.
Yeah, every other week.
What can you hear first?
Y'all vote.
Oh, y'all reach out to us afterlistening to this episode.
Do you think we should start alive show?
Every other week.
SPEAKER_00 (24:24):
We're twinning.
We're winning.
The future is so bright, wegotta wear sunglasses.
So before y'all even answered.
SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
Every other week, yes.
Alright, what's up?
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
What you got for me?
SPEAKER_02 (24:37):
As you know, this um season for me is all about uh
growth, cavertine, andrebranding.
And we have talked about growthfor you.
Yeah.
And um personally, it yeah.
Um so let's talk.
Um, I'm curious with um Black inthe Garden.
(25:00):
If you ever had in six years in,um I know we talked she would be
in two years we rebrandedbecause the logo changed from I
had a normal lip logo, and thenI went to my face logo.
I'm wondering if you everrebranded or and if you have,
what does that what did thatlook for you?
(25:22):
Um, are you if you haven't, areyou planning to look for you?
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Well, um, my rebranding happened so early in
the podcast that you couldn'teven it was hard to call it a
rebrand because like, let mesee, I started the podcast on
November 19th, 2019, and byMarch I had uh professional
(25:50):
rebranding.
Uh shout out to Paula Champagne,aka at Maker Channel.
SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
Wait, did you say Paula Champagne?
Do you know Paula Champagne?
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
No, I just said my name, Paula.
Oh why?
Because what would I tell you?
All the Paula's that I know arelegit and lit.
So how did that not crazy?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Because, like, just like bombass women.
So another Paula who was, youknow, just as dope, but in in
(26:20):
the visual storytellingdepartment.
So she rebranded my show.
She created the imagery and thelogo that you associated with it
for those of you who arefamiliar with the visual
branding of Black in the Garden.
Um, she also illustrated all ofthe guests that I had, had a a
customized, personal,personalized illustration for
(26:46):
about two years.
And so that is what makes up thecontent of the Black in the
Garden coloring experience.
And so it's been a reallyamazing time with that.
And there's still a lot of moremerch that I'm gonna put out
that is um emphasizing that,those aesthetics.
But as far as the rebranding, ohmy gosh, I'm excited to do that.
(27:09):
I like a lot of the coreelements of Black in the Garden,
especially like the text, um,what do you call it?
The text logo.
Um, the trademark is pending,but it's already been applied
for.
And so what I would like to dowith rebranding is just um
currently my illustration of mylike Black in the Garden cover
(27:32):
art avatar is me in illustratedform.
Do you have an illustrator?
Paula.
Yeah, yeah.
But I would like in the futureiteration of the show, um, the
future rebranding of it, I wouldlike for it to be more like me.
I'm thinking, oh, I gotta do acute photo shoot, I gotta, you
(27:54):
know, maybe make it kind of sexyor something like that.
I'm not really sure yet, becauseunfortunately, one of the side
effects of being a hypercreative is so many ideas.
Too many ideas.
And then you're just kind ofgetting this overwhelm of like,
well, what do I actually do?
So just it's important to taketime, quiet, get the clarity in
(28:18):
order to say, all right, this isthis is what I should do to move
it forward.
But I definitely want to um inas I've been having events over
the last month, I've beenconsiderate of like, okay, how
do I promote and market these?
What is the scheme for theaesthetics that I put out?
(28:42):
And it's definitely clean, sexy,minimal.
So that's pretty much what I cantell you as far as where it's
going when it comes to likepromotional things and and just
the way the aesthetics are arepresented.
But when it comes to therebrand, yeah, I don't freaking
know.
I'm I'm literally in transition.
My podcast right now is goingfrom one network to independent
(29:10):
or potentially on anothernetwork.
And so what that looks like forme is because I am divorced and
I have been through the fullmarriage and divorce process.
What it feels like for me rightnow, as far as the Black in the
Garden business goes, is I'mseparated and I'm not divorced
yet, so I gotta make sure that Iget all the the T's crossed and
(29:33):
the I's dotted, and then I moveinto an independent space where
I'm just single for a while.
Or I go at one of these suitorswho wants to marry the show as
in bring it to their network.
So that's where I'm at.
Does that scare you?
No, I like change.
(29:53):
Like I I've been through a lot.
No, I'm gonna answer yourquestion.
It does not scare me.
To have unanswered questionsbecause I'm always excited about
like, okay, well, what is thisgonna look like?
How is it gonna feel?
What's next?
But yeah, it is exciting to meto know.
I don't like uncertainty.
(30:14):
I'm not saying that I like it,but something about the way my
humanity is set up is I'm justlike sometimes you just don't
know what's happening next.
So you just gotta look forwardto like, well, how is this
gonna, how's this gonna land?
People like to know stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (30:29):
Yeah, but knowing is not always good anyways.
But um my my my my my my ride onthis was with uh rebranding,
right?
My question was personally onthe on the rebranding, because I
remember when I rebranded andchanged the logo when you
already have fans who are usedto things a certain way, right?
(30:50):
Yeah, and most people don't likechange, however, much we
encourage change, you know,because people love their
comfort zones, people likeknowing what they know, people
like being in the that's whythere's some people like the
comfort, that's where there'speople still in their hometown,
not because there's it's doinganything for them, but because
(31:10):
it's comfortable, yeah, that'swhat they know.
Exactly.
So what else?
Even though you know you'rebetter than those kids, they're
a little too big, too grown, tooaesthetic.
I was so scared.
Really?
(31:30):
And nervous to show the newlogo.
As much as I loved it and I knewdeep down, no matter what, I
made the right decision.
But then again, I wish thepodcast was just for us.
And and I always tell people thepodcast is for me, but
eventually you wanted to helpsomebody or touch somebody,
right?
(31:51):
So at the end of the day, it waslike just like constructive
criticism.
You wanna hear it, but you don'talso want to hear it.
Like, I want to hear it.
But I don't want you to tell mewhat I'm doing wrong.
Like, you know, that so that'sthat's where I was, but then it
got delivered so well because ofthe local people felt like yo,
(32:13):
this actually used to get you.
Like we see you.
Yeah, but it was still one typeof me was like nerve-wracking,
like wondering how like how arepeople gonna take it?
I'm so scared, I'm so one ifpeople don't like it and I lose.
Because mind you, it's not likeI had that much fun, right?
It's literal when you have athousand, a million, how you
(32:36):
have like 10, 15, 20, you'relike if I lose even five.
SPEAKER_03 (32:40):
It's real.
SPEAKER_02 (32:41):
Even one, it's definitely so every one of them
mattered, but um, to be able tosee them, everybody tell me that
it was the best decision andit's better than the first, and
like this makes sense.
But you don't expect that whenyou're going in because you
don't know what the reactionswill be, and people can be mean,
(33:03):
like especially on the internet,especially on the internet,
because right on your face.
Yeah, but that's that's whereyou're promoting it, right?
You're you're premiering it tothe internet, it's not like
you're premiering live, evenwhen you're doing live.
But so I was asking, are youscared in that sense when you
(33:24):
make changes to um something,especially when you already
build a community of fans,right?
And pivoting, rebranding growthcomes with a lot of changes.
So when you make that, are youscared and nervous of how the
community might react or how youmight lose a few because they
(33:47):
don't affect which direction youwin?
SPEAKER_00 (33:52):
The first thing that came up in consideration of how
to answer that is outcast.
I am a huge fan of outcast.
Outcast is really my favorite.
Yeah, one thing about outcastwhen it comes to authenticity
and innovation in the creativeprocess for putting out
something that is, you know,it's in this genre, but it is
(34:16):
also very much like pushing thethe innovative boundaries of
that child.
When I think of outcasts and howit was always the standard for
them to innovate creatively.
And they did.
And that has been what I justnaturally adopted because I'm
just like, well, if that'sblueprint for me, if that's who
has always resonated with mesince I was a child, um, into
(34:40):
adulthood and and having thegreat uh uh privilege to be able
to just be in Atlanta where theywas, you know, really doing
their thing and coming to be ascreative.
I'm like, nah, I ain't scaredabout no innovation, I ain't
scared about changing nothingbecause uh every change that you
see happening in the things thatI put out in the work that I am
(35:04):
um producing creatively, it isfor the sake of innovation.
It is for the sake of addingsomething very unique and very
relevant to the canon of theblack cultural conversation.
So whatever it takes to makesure that y'all are paying
(35:25):
attention and that y'allunderstand the significance, I'm
gonna keep going.
I'm gonna keep innovating.
If I gotta rebrand, I gottarebrand.
If it's changing the look inorder to make sure that
everybody gets it andeverybody's continuing to pay
attention, I just I took afterAlcat.
SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
And I like that because Erica Bandu always walks
his own bottom.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
Erica Badu don't play, baby.
One thing she's gonna do is showup for that show and give you
the show.
SPEAKER_02 (35:55):
I love her.
SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
And she will innovate.
SPEAKER_02 (35:58):
She will give you something new every time.
Like the teeth, the theheadsets, the outfits.
SPEAKER_00 (36:06):
She is that you said that you brought Erica Bandu to
the conversation.
SPEAKER_02 (36:10):
Because when the when we're talking about,
whenever I think about art cast,I always also think about Erica
Bandu for some reason.
SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
It's a familiar connection there.
It was a baby mama and daddyconnection.
SPEAKER_02 (36:22):
Yeah, but also the um the fashion sense, because I
don't dress as normal people.
Like I I I grew up as I grew upa tomboy and then I became chic.
Like I've never been a gullygirl or whatever.
Like I don't dress to lookpretty, I dress to the comfort
of the event.
So I always have and I alwaystry to.
Oh, I get it.
I like to I like to put out thestuff out and I like to mix that
(36:46):
tombboy with cheek instead oflooking sexy because I prefer,
you know, personal styles.
Exactly.
So with Erica Baggy and Outcast,they do that, especially in the
black community when it comes towe are talking about back in the
people who we I literally usedto admire them for their style,
(37:10):
the grills, the hats, the thelike even 100, 300.
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
3000.
At a zero, out of zero.
SPEAKER_02 (37:20):
This shit is starting to hit because imagine
if we've done this a little bit,oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:25):
I told you it was for the best, and all we had was
and she said one over the other.
SPEAKER_02 (37:31):
This uh whichever one was yeah, but um it proves
that the fashion statement alsostays true to your authentic
self.
Like it it brings that authenticself, it brings, and the more we
keep growing and pivoting, italso grows and pivot with us.
We understand our body muchbetter, we understand our style
(37:54):
much better, we have trieddifferent shape, we are, you
know, and and and I love that.
And speaking of that, a lot ofthe creators are there is just
starting up and building and andand doing things.
And um, I don't want them tothink we are all living this
lifestyle that we are not.
Me and I use the matter, I Ichange shoes in in the bag in my
(38:17):
matter.
Like, so I want to make sure,and because we both do that and
we're both here and we have seeneach other do that.
Like, how does that affect yourwide robe tracing?
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (38:28):
This is oh, nobody ever asked me about style.
Let's go for it.
How do you pick your my style ismore so like a look, a
silhouette, textures, but mostimportantly, it is an expression
of how do I say this?
It's it's it's a way to expressmyself.
(38:49):
When I'm dressing, when I'mdetermining what I'm gonna wear,
it is it's definitely focused onlike some kind of expression.
Um, I'm also very much into thesustainability aspect of style.
And so what that means for me isbaby, you're gonna see me wear
the same stuff a few times.
I don't care if I've takenpictures in it, I don't care if
(39:12):
I was at such and such event,this or that or whatever.
You gonna see that dress again,you're gonna see that shirt,
then pants, them glasses.
SPEAKER_02 (39:19):
What and if I like it, then like I'm a waitress
because I paid for itmotherfucking.
SPEAKER_00 (39:25):
I can name so many people who I appreciate for
emphasizing like wear yourclothes.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
So sometimes people just buy them to wear them one
time, but you're always thinkingif I like it, I'm like saying it
different or I'm a weight thesame.
It doesn't match about it'sgonna get worn.
SPEAKER_00 (39:42):
It's not about but it's not purely about frugality
for me.
I'm definitely a frugal girly,but at the same time, my when it
comes to style and wearing thesame thing, the same pieces
multiple times, especially whenI know I'll be photographed, I
am considering, oh, everyopportunity, not let me rephrase
(40:06):
that.
Every time I wear these pieces,again, there's an opportunity to
style it in a different way.
So it's just kind of showing theversatility of it.
And it's the opportunity, yeah,it's the opportunity to
emphasize, okay, there iscreativity here when it comes to
how I'm deciding on how to wearsomething.
So that's what it is.
SPEAKER_02 (40:28):
It's not about what you're wearing, it's how you
style.
It is how you style it.
And yeah, because you can wearan expensive shirt and still
look like this before.
Oh, maybe you can look you canwear Ross, and I'm here for
Ross, they should have a Ross.
I'm a Rose Man, but I'm fine.
Yeah, you know, goodwill.
I've bought some good shoes andcross at Google, like you know,
a lot of the stuff you send meon.
(40:50):
But it's how you you you switchit up and dress it up.
But um my necessary point was onus using public transport and
having to switch in the between.
That was that was where thequestion was going on.
SPEAKER_00 (41:05):
Because it's all about logistics.
It's not just the logistics oflike how am I getting around
when it comes to the publictransportation aspect of getting
around, using that mode oftransportation.
But it's also like if I knowthat I'm doing multiple things,
how am I switching it up?
Like when I first came up onyou, and as the seasons are
(41:25):
changing right now, so we are atthe middle of the beginning of
October.
So when I left the house today,earlier when the temperature was
in the early 70s, I said, cool,I'm wearing my little cutoff um
crop shop, crop shop shop, whatis a crop shop?
That is wine.
What is a crop shop?
(41:46):
That is wine.
I wear my crop shop.
My crop shop sweatshirt, butI've packed a t-shirt, this
t-shirt that I'm currentlywearing.
So that's um beyond cowboy cardto the mat.
(42:07):
Um we're not gonna talk aboutit.
But when I put on my crop shophoodie, sweatshirt, and then I
know that I might get hot and Ineed to change it to a t-shirt,
then I'm just prepared to beversatile.
But yeah, I appreciate I reallyappreciate that question.
SPEAKER_02 (42:25):
Yeah, because um I feel like social media has made
people seem like everybody's onthat budget, but fuck that.
SPEAKER_00 (42:33):
I'm here to give anybody who needs permission.
Baby, if you feel like you wantto wear that again, wear it
again, wear it five times.
SPEAKER_02 (42:42):
And we also show up by using the like the public
transport.
We don't drive cars.
I seen it live off the otherday.
SPEAKER_00 (42:50):
I wear this.
I said, look, there's anopportunity there to potentially
become an ambassador.
SPEAKER_02 (42:57):
So the reason I asked this question was to let
you all know that if you'reputting those limits on
yourself, you're just blockingyour own blessings.
Because if you really can shop,whether it's by bus, by train,
by boat, by line, by bicycle,shop.
Put your backpack, put your shitin.
(43:18):
There's always like I switchshoes, like I might dress, or
sometimes I'll be like, you knowwhat?
I can wear this and then to becomfortable because I don't want
to be too short in the whateverI'll put ties, and then when I
get to the place I'm going,remove the tights and the
sandals and put on the heels andquick little switch.
Like the visa.
Yeah, she saw pictures of meearlier.
(43:39):
I had sneakers.
SPEAKER_01 (43:40):
I didn't need though.
You didn't even need the heels.
SPEAKER_02 (43:43):
I I didn't need to, but also it was like because
when people say business, youknow, even feels yeah, but but
if if it was like a podcastmeetup, I'd have showed up with
that dress and the and thesneakers.
And the sneakers.
It was done.
So I wasn't uns I wasn't wellwhen you're unsure, you just
coming that way.
That's why it's like if if Ifelt like off, I would have used
(44:06):
to go into the bathroom andchange, but but it works, and
especially with the pictures weended up taking.
Because, you know?
So don't put limits on yourself.
And as we come to an end, right?
I have some rapid questions foryou.
Let's do it.
All right.
Uh fire.
Biggest pivot you've made inlife that nobody saw coming.
(44:30):
Don't tell me zoom divorce.
Biggest pivot, shit, I don'tknow.
SPEAKER_00 (44:36):
I moved a lot.
Like, I just I've had to just bequick on my feet in in in making
sure that me and my family wasgood when it came to housing.
Ciao, Atlanta, uh, a few states.
Oh my god, like, don't get mestarted with that.
Okay, it's it's a lot, but justbeing quick on my feet and
knowing that if some shit godown, I gotta make sure that me
(44:59):
and my kids are good.
SPEAKER_02 (45:00):
Alright.
What song defines your energyright now?
SPEAKER_01 (45:04):
Oh, right now.
Um, hey by Iman Omari.
I don't know the.
If you know, you know, just golook it up.
It's a beautiful song.
I love it.
High energy.
SPEAKER_02 (45:15):
Gross talk that actually works, but most people
overlook.
SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
Self-awareness.
SPEAKER_02 (45:21):
Very true.
SPEAKER_00 (45:22):
Yeah, you you don't get further when you know what
the fuck is going on with you.
SPEAKER_02 (45:27):
One podcast everybody should listen to
besides their own.
SPEAKER_00 (45:32):
I'm gonna say the friend zone.
Who's that?
Oh my god, because you're gonnaget something out of that one
way or the other.
It's cultural, it's self notself-help.
SPEAKER_01 (45:45):
What is the word?
So much wine.
Self-awareness.
SPEAKER_00 (45:51):
What is it called?
Personal development?
Self-awareness.
Personal development.
You want to ask me rapid firesafter like one.
SPEAKER_02 (46:00):
Okay, last one.
If you you could title thisepisode with our friendship,
what would the title of thisepisode be?
Will it we live, baby?
SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
For multiple reasons.
SPEAKER_02 (46:13):
Um before we leave, let the people know who you are,
what you do, uh what you gotgoing on, when they can find
you, and all those good stuff.
This is the sell yourselfportion.
SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
Hello everyone.
I am Cola B.
Talkin, the hostess with theMost Us of the Black in the
Garden podcast.
And you can find me on all ofyour favorite podcast platforms
at Black in the Garden, orrather, just look for Black in
the Garden.
Um, you can find me on thesocials.
I make most use out of Instagramat Black in the Garden.
(46:55):
You can also find me at Cola BeTalking on Instagram.
You can find me at Black in theGarden on pretty much all the
socials that I do use.
If you don't find me, it justwasn't me.
But uh I have a website,blkinthegarden.com.
I just want y'all to listen tothe podcast real bad.
Like just listen and and tune inand and and support.
SPEAKER_02 (47:18):
But you can tell the people what you do.
SPEAKER_00 (47:20):
What oh god, what do I do?
I have things coming up, but Ican't really tell you
specifically right now because Idon't have to do it.
Not the website.
That's I've not been doing thebest at keeping the website
updated with that.
Follow on social media,Instagram is where you can
definitely keep up to date withthat.
(47:41):
My link tree at Black and theGarden.
But here's here's what's mostimportant as far as the timing
of when this episode will air,uh, which is right around the
time, if not on the exact dateof the anniversary, the sixth
anniversary of the Black and theGarden podcast.
Big eighty years, over 150episodes.
(48:05):
Like we are really still here.
And so I'm grateful for that.
You can, yeah, this is comingout after the conferences.
So I don't want to say too muchbecause as far as November goes,
I don't know.
Just celebrate with me on theanniversary, just follow me on
the socials and go like somestuff and comment and engage and
(48:25):
share some shit.
Whatever you see there, go shareit.
Like it.
Love it.
SPEAKER_02 (48:30):
Follow our to celebrate uh sixth anniversary,
but um, I think when people havesell them shit themselves, and I
I I I think because some peopleare so used to being introduced
in an uh in a traditional way,and I don't do that.
So uh I thought we were gonnacome to an end, but I have to
question her on this becauseshe's been saying, because you
(48:53):
have coloring books, you havebooks, like everything.
Like you should know when I tellyou sell yourself, I mean sell
your motherfucking self.
SPEAKER_00 (49:03):
You won't ask me to sell myself.
SPEAKER_02 (49:04):
No, no, you should have a bottle of wine.
I feel like you should tellpeople that hey, I also have
coloring books when you go myway.
SPEAKER_03 (49:13):
Hold on, hold on.
I can do it.
Hold on, let me see.
SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
It's not my fault she decided to drink.
I don't tell people you need todrink to come on this show.
SPEAKER_00 (49:22):
The Black Women are in coloring experience is a very
special, specific, andcustomized offering that is for
not just fans of the podcast,but for anybody because
everybody likes color, great formental health, mindfulness, and
those types of activities.
So I'm just saying all that tosay that when you go to blk in
(49:44):
the garden.com, you can learnmore about how to get your own
copy of that.
Period.
SPEAKER_02 (49:53):
Thank you.
And while you're doing that, shehas the playlist.
Oh, yeah.
So you can be coloring whenlistening to the playlist.
SPEAKER_00 (50:03):
So you you did your research.
So the playlist, I do have aplaylist.
I'm not sure exactly where itis, but I have a playlist.
It's on YouTube all of thepodcasts that I have been a
guest on.
On YouTube.
That's on my Spotify.
But I do have a playlist of allof the, if you look for Black in
the Garden podcasts on YouTube,you can see all of these
(50:23):
beautiful visual um podcaststhat we've done.
It's it's a lot, y'all.
I like I said earlier in theinterview towards the top, I
just do the shit and I be on tothe next.
I'm not sitting up here like,oh, that was so great.
I didn't really, I really did mybig one.
I be on to the next because I'mjust ready to get the next thing
(50:45):
out into the world.
SPEAKER_02 (50:47):
All right.
Well, thank you so much forhanging out with me.
We have me.
We had lunch, we drank somewine.
Um probably shouldn't havesmoked that shit.
Oh my gosh.
Because it it took us there, butum you're amazing.
I have a last last attack.
You kind of just have to oneword.
Go for it.
(51:08):
Growth feels like fill in theblank.
Growth feels like stretching.
Oh my god, Mark said the samething.
Period.
It sounds like stretching ishard, but it's wonderful when
you come out of it.
Oh my god, Mark said the sameshit and for your fucking hoe,
(51:32):
man.
Growth is serious business.
It was the mark.
We were all chilling togetherfor lunch today, but she was not
part of the episode.
She came later after we wererecording.
I just said the same thing.
Yeah, but I said the same thing.
What was it?
SPEAKER_00 (51:53):
You gotta stretch.
Yeah, and give what feels likegoing outside of your comfort
zone with with intention andstrategy.
Amen.
SPEAKER_02 (52:04):
Rebrand feels like no shit.
Because she moved from our uhwine to my wine, that's new
shit.
SPEAKER_00 (52:18):
Period.
It was good too.
SPEAKER_02 (52:20):
And that's a pivot.
Pivot can be anything, y'all.
SPEAKER_00 (52:23):
Whatever it is.
SPEAKER_02 (52:24):
So um, thank you all for hanging out with us, but I'm
soil cousins.
SPEAKER_00 (52:30):
That's my my audience, my supporters are my
soil cousins.
And when I sign off and I'mwalking out or cutting off the
microphone, I always like towish you all love, light, and
soil.
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