Journey Beyond: Shaman Steve Wagner Reveals Secrets from The Other Side!

👻 Talking With The Source - Discovering the Spirit World with Shaman Steve Wagner 🌌

This week on Talking With The Source, we are honored to have special guest Shaman Steve Wagner from the hit TV show The Other Side on Amazon Prime and Paraflixx! Join us as we delve into the mystical realms and ancient practices of shamanism, exploring how Steve bridges the gap between our world and the spirit world.

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Talking with the Source, where we bring on

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the story of the Moon missions.
Well known in local researchers from around the world to share their experiences and evidence.
Who knows that the Moon missions were faked?
As soon as I said I'll meet you and she said oh darn it I gotta check the door make sure

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the door is locked because I don't want to leave John's house unlocked.
So she goes back to check the door.
I go out to my vehicle and I hear this god awful scream.
Well there are 63 races of greys.
So most people only think there's one race and when you say greys it's a misinformation.

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There are 63 races.
Out of those one race is a negative extraterrestrial.
And what I do is I group them in the negative and the positive.
The positive wish to save humanity a sand.
What is your name?
My name is Anthony.

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What's going on everybody?
This is AJ Capasso here, host of Talking with the Source and I'm here with my two best friends.
Jonathan Keyworth up on the top right from JK 47 Paranormal Investigations and the other
one Sir Chris on the left.
What is going on guys?
How you guys been?
Good man.
Good.
Awesome, awesome.

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So JK talk a little bit about what responses you got there with the other day because
I know it blew your mind man.
Dude I still don't get it man.
Like that was one of my best sessions like I think I've ever had like just the responses
that I got how clear they were.

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It just blows my mind man.
Like even before I sat down I said how are you doing today?
And the spirit said alright.
I was like okay, let's do this.
And it just it was crazy like there was one that said he tried to kill me.

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Like it was spaced out.
It went through like 10 to 15 stations at that point but it was all the same voice.
It got higher at the end like the voice were getting higher.
I don't know man.
It's just crazy stuff.
It was good stuff.
I definitely encourage anyone to go over to Targeting with JK and check out his live sessions

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that he does every Tuesday.
Some of the stuff that he gets amazing and then he puts his best responses out after
the fact that you could see with captions and everything.
So take a look and basically like I tell everyone those captions are suggestions.
Tell us what you hear if you don't hear the same thing and we love to get people's reactions

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to it.
But today we have an amazing show guys.
We have somebody that was on the show before but now we're here to talk about him and what
he does as a shaman.
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So we just wanted to give a shout out to Health Empowers You dot net real quick.
But as I'm going to bring forward right now the amazing Steve Wagner I want to bring him
forward.
But first before we do that he's from a group that is called the Others Side.
So let me bring and show you guys this.

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Where are you?
Are you afraid to cross over?
That's not a human spirit.
I still say he's got followers.
Yeah that's saying it all.
Isolation, addiction, I just got a bad feeling about that whatever that is out.

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Were you ever a being of the light?
Have you seen the chaos?
Just the energy of pain and anguish.
It's like it's almost hard to breathe.
Hey I need to get out of here.
I'm giving you a warning not to go back down there.
I'm upset now.

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Okay.
I felt like every door that you passed there was something going to reach out and grab
you.
I'm scared.
I say no.
I say no.

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But we're here to get answered.
Steve what is going on my friend?
How are you?
I am well.
How are y'all?
Great, great.
Thank you so much for coming on and joining us.
We truly appreciate your presence man.
We thank you for coming back on.

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It was an amazing time having your team on with you that time.
But we really want to dive in today into the work that you do because you are a unique
shaman like we were talking in back.
You know, do it just a conventional way.
So I want to learn as much as I can today about yourself and about the work you do.
And I know our viewers would love to hear it as well.
So before we start off, I want to start off with this first question.

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How did you become a shaman and what inspired you to follow this path?
Well, this is it was a long time coming.
And I've explained it before.
This was something that it's you hear the word chosen that you're chosen to have this.

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I don't believe that.
I don't believe that you are chosen.
I believe that you're that you make the choice.
And I believe that choice comes from deep within from your very soul.
Now, my soul and my ego and my body did not agree for many years.
We did not.
I didn't want to follow this.
But ultimately, I was in a car accident, a pretty bad one.

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And I was I was my left side was just crushed.
I wasn't expected to live or and if I did not walk again.
And in this process of getting to the hospital and staying there and the surgeries, I died
twice.
And so that was the near death experience.

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That was the traditional shamanic death.
And the whole point of that, of course, I'm you know, I didn't realize it at the time.
But I look back.
The point of that is to actually cross over to enter back into the non physical, which
is our true form to be formless and to actually communicate with spirits on the other side.

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Ironically, that's the other side.
And so it was really a unique it wasn't like you hear a lot of people talk about seeing
it like a tunnel of light or seeing loved ones.
I was just in this vivid, bright light.
And I could tell that I was kind of being prevented from going any further.

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And then these voices started talking to me and I was familiar with them.
And you would think you'd be freaking out about all this.
But I was completely aware.
And I felt I was comfortable where I was.
And I had conversations with these voices that I learned later that were my my spirit

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guides.
And they they told me that, you know, it wasn't really my time.
But I guess they took the opportunity to speak to me to try to get me straightened out and
get on the right path.
And so that was a long recovery period.
And but the turning point was probably a year or so after that, my mother had cancer and

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she died.
And there was something about that that triggered the thing.
And when she died, these same voices came back in.
They came to me this time.
And I really thought I was pretty much going crazy.
I thought, you know, OK, too many drugs.

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Yeah, right.
And so and they led me started telling me what I needed to do and how I needed to do
it.
And they even gave me the name of a psychic that I had I was supposed to go see.
And I just wasn't sure what to do with this.
But I did.

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And she and she kind of went through the whole thing and gave me some pointers on the guest.
These are your spirit guides and they've been trying to push you to do this.
And I decided, OK, I'm going to make this big life change.
I'm going to walk away from that dark gangstership.

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I'm going to be this light person.
I didn't realize how hard that was going to be to do that.
And so I found myself drawn.
And I was what I was was kind of drawn to the religious part anyway.
I was raised Catholic.
I studied world religions in the Honors College at UCA.

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But then I I had this kind of a draw to shamanism for some reason.
I started reading all these books.
I started doing all this research.
And I did I started tracing my own indigenous roots and legacy of the bloodlines.
And then I found the teachers and I went I went to to do the full blown shamanic apprenticeship.

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And this is again during the shamanic journey and going through this training.
The guides, they just kept coming back.
The same voices, the same energy, the same messages.
They just kept coming back to me.
And that's basically I threw up my hands and said, OK, I'll do this.
That is great.

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That is great.
Nicole asked, so can anyone be a shaman?
Can anyone take the path that you you've chosen?
I mean, honestly, no.
A lot of people want to be.

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It's just like we were talking before.
A lot of people, they want to be a psychic.
They want to be a medium.
They want to be this and that.
But if it's if it's not coming from within you, it's just really not your thing.
You know, you can't you can't force yourself.

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That's a loaded question because you can you can train yourself.
Everybody is a psychic at some point.
I mean, everybody is psychic.
Psychic is from the grief word that means soul.
Everybody's got a soul.
Everybody, therefore, is psychic to some degree.
It's just that some people come in and they're more they have more of that.
You know, right.
And I mean, I'm sorry, I can go out and treat 300 free throws, but I'm not going to be in

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the NBA.
So, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, but can anybody be a shaman?
You can go through all the training and you can go through all the steps.
But again, I think the thing is, are you willing to go through the steps?
Are you willing to actually walk that walk of a shaman?

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Are you ready to do what it takes to be what you want to be?
Most people that, you know, they they they figure they they start hearing things that
I've been through and what I've done and they're like, oh, fuck, no, I don't want to do that.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
And I understand I didn't either.
I mean, so.

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And if if you're pulled to it, is that your soul calling?
It's like the universe is relentless.
It won't it won't stop until you at least give it a shot, you know.
So I I would have to say no, ever.
They're not just anybody can be.
You can learn.
You can be a shamanic practitioner.

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You can you can live the lifestyle.
You can read and it helps you.
OK.
But to actually be a shaman, to to be able to do soul retrievals and to do the different
healings to communicate with spirit.
Sometimes that just takes it like a next level thing.
And not everybody's willing to put that work in to reach that point.

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You know, now I will.
I do and have taught people to do the shamanic journey, which is to enter that altered state,
to make that connection with spirit, your power animals.
And that's that's the first step.
And that's where most people stop.
Yeah.
They don't care to go any further.

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And there's only that you have to be able to go further.
You have to be able to get outside that box.
Yeah, absolutely.
Chris, I know you're probably going to ask exactly what Nicole is going to come up.
But Nicole said, what exactly is a shaman?
She goes, she's heard of it, but not sure exactly what it means.
Yeah, I don't either.

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I love it.
There we go.
I love that answer.
My guys told me because I've been asked on this one particular interview that they actually
came through.
They asked that question, how do you define a shaman?
And my God said it's a seeker of truth.

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That's what a shaman is.
It's a seeker of truth.
And and that's an example of how spirit communicates.
It's very brief.
It's to the point, but it's very profound.
There's a lot more to that answer than it sounds like.
To to seek the truth means that you go to source energy.
You go to the other side.

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You go to the non-physical to seek that truth.
You follow your guidance.
You do the work.
You read the books.
You go to the seminars.
You do whatever it takes to learn and to grow.
Shaman is one who works with spirit.
That's a broad term.

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And it's like we were talking again earlier.
What kind of spirits?
Well, some work with power animals.
Some work with angelic.
Some work with the higher beings.
Some work with the souls, the human souls.
It's not a it's not a one size fits all thing.
There's not one definition.

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One of the old definitions is one who walks both worlds.
And and that's actually pretty accurate, too, because, you know, when you get into this
shamanic practice and you start realizing that there is no distinction between physical
and non-physical, supernatural or natural, it's all natural.

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Everything is just everything is energy.
You kind of get a different perspective and it kind of.
I mean, you get a little weird because you don't see things the way other people see
it.
You don't see all it's not black and white anymore.
It's all gray.
There's that blurring lines thing.

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You know, it's it's it's.
But that's just how it is.
So there's not a.
There's just not one definition of what a shaman is.
Even the archaeologists and everybody that's done the research is on on shaman shamanism.
They don't have no one has been able to come up with one singular definition of what a

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shaman sounds like.
It's a very personal definition.
It is.
It is.
And it's about the difference.
You know, because everyone in an indigenous terms, everyone has their own medicine.
Right.
And so you have doctors and they go out to be specialists and some are foot doctors and

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some are heart surgeons.
And I mean, you know, but they're still all doctors.
And that's the same thing.
But with shaman and psychic mediums, everything is on a spectrum of being right.
Yeah.
Everybody's on that spectrum at some point or another.
And it's just all your culture plays into what kind of shaman you are.

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I mean, if I came from South America, I would be doing completely different things.
Yeah.
In Siberia, I'd be doing different things.
So what is your background?
In what way?
I mean, you said if I came from like South America, I'd be doing so.
Are you from like are you Native American?

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I have Cherokee and Choctaw bloodline.
OK, cool.
Yeah.
Chris wasn't with us on the first show, so that's why he might ask you some questions
that you know.
No, so it's North American Native.
Now I do have just like a little bit of the South.
I do have that.
I found out Latin and ties into, you know, the Mayans and things.

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So my background came to.
Yeah.
And so that's that's pretty good.
And you can you can see that my my grandkids all have the profiles in the skin tone and
they look like little Aztecs.
Well they're not little anymore.

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They're all teenagers.
Yeah.
But still, you can you can see that it's they they look exotic.
They're exotic.
You know, yeah, that is also if I was asked before, I might want this.
No, no, no, don't worry about it.
I want to ask, what are some of the most common misconceptions about shamanism that you would

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say?
That people kind of misconstrued sometimes.
They're all skin walkers.
Well, people and it's not just shaman.
Quite honestly, I've seen it with psychics and anybody else.

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People have these high expectations.
Sometimes they expect way too much.
They think you're a miracle worker.
And and one of the big misconceptions, especially if they come to me, is I'm not doing the work
for you.
I'll show you how.
I'll tell you how and I'll help you get there.
It's like when I was a personal trainer, you know, people come to you and say, I want to

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lose 30 pounds in the next two weeks so I can look good on the beach.
It's like, well, you need to go to get liposuction then because I can't help you.
Nice.
And so I guess one of the misconceptions is they're going to come get a healing, for example,
and everything's going to be good.

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No, that's just a layer.
That's just one layer on the onion.
And you got to you know, you could come back to me every month and we're going to find
something that you need to work on or something that needs fixed or something that needs healed
because we're all fragmented.
We're all dissociated.
We're all just a walking personality disorder and not just this lifetime.

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You know, we're scattered all through all the different time zones and dimensions.
I mean, there's.
So basically they you you instruct you guide you.
You're like a spirit guide guiding your patients.
They have to put it in the work in order for it to happen.

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I can't do it for them.
I mean, that's their walk.
And I will do everything to help you get there.
But if you don't listen and you don't do the work, you're not going to gain any benefit.
Now they'll get a healing and they'll get the tools and I'll give them the tools.
And this is what you need to do.
But if you don't do it, then they're not going to gain anything.

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They're just not.
And there is no magic wand.
There is no magic button.
You know, but there there is there is an opportunity to learn.
There is this opportunity to be to get healing and then to and then to pick up my big thing
in the big shaman in general is to teach you to heal yourself.

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That's the thing.
Don't come to me with every little pitty ass problem you got because some of that's on
you.
You're going to have to do it.
Yeah.
So I think even though you hear all the buzzwords about shaman being compassionate and, you
know, they make us like this, we're just big teddy bears.
That's just not how it is.

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You got to get in their face sometime and tell them that's not my fucking problem.
That's yours.
That's your wall.
You can't tell the truth without her.
So you know, it's you know, truth hurts.
So it's it's you know, you got to be honest with them.
And I think a lot of people don't understand that.
And I'm glad that you put it that way, because a lot of people don't understand.
They just think that they're going to bring, you know, someone in like yourself and that

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you're going to do everything for them and they don't have to do anything.
But in reality, it's like, no, they need to also do their work.
They need to be a part of this and do their job.
You know, so yeah, I totally get it.
I mean, that's that's why we're here.
That's what we're here to learn and grow and evolve as spiritual beings.
The flesh, the material, the physical really, really don't mean a lot.

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It's all about the nonphysical.
It's all about the spiritual.
And we have to.
We have to do the work.
You know, we we are accountable for everything.
And that's a big thing I've learned from the Kabbalistic side of things.
We're accountable for everything.
We create our own reality.

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We do.
We all just talk about karma and everybody thinks that's some kind of real mystical concept.
Well, you know, basically that's consequences for your actions.
That's plain and simple.
That's what your karma is.
You do something stupid.
You're going to have consequences.
And most of us are.
We always go through that stupid state.

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And so we're going to make mistakes.
We're going to have bad karma.
But we and we do have and we we are we are divine.
We are extensions of this universal energy creator, God's source, whatever you want to
see, whatever you want to call that.
And and so we are experiencing everybody thinks that's why it's I haven't even quite got this

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all figured out.
We talk about free will and I'm thinking, do we really even have free will?
We didn't.
We had this energy that created us to experience what it was to be us.
We didn't have anything to say about it.
Yeah.
But once we get here, then we do have the means if we if we learned if we recognize

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it, that we can control or manage, we can at least manage this reality and we can create
a life more along the lines of what we want by design, not what's just handed to us.
You know, it's that source that's inside us working with that source.
It's all around us to make the reality come into effect.

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Well, I've heard that called our life path, our life contract, you know, that before we
came, we're put on a path and that our guides or spirit guides are helping us, you know,
fulfill that path.
That's why you hear those little voices.
I wouldn't do this.
I wouldn't do this.
You know, well, in that part now, as far as the contract, I call bullshit on that because

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we don't make a contract.
We don't make a contract with God that we're going to do a certain thing.
And it's a pass fail situation.
First of all, if we are God, why are we making a why are we making a contract?
Right.
And here's what here's how I understand it.
We have a guide.
We have a list.
We have like a bucket list of things that we want to do that we want to experience coming

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in.
But they're all contingent.
They're all contingencies because we know on the other side, we know once we get here,
it's all going to change.
It's all going to go to shit.
So you know, we have to come in here and we have to adapt and go with it.
That's the big thing is to adapt and to flow with what comes in and then just go with it.

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So yeah, whatever can go wrong, we'll go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it will.
I mean, and we and we come here because of those challenges and because everything is
so difficult, not in spite of it.
We actually think, oh, that that's going to help us grow.
It's going to help us learn.

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I don't understand it.
I mean, you know, we're sitting here thinking, man, what were we thinking?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Like why would I choose to come here and suffer the way that we're suffering?
You know what I mean?
Like that's what I think to myself sometimes.
And I've had a near death experience that like we've talked about, Steve, and, you know,
it's like I always said to myself, like, if I had a choice, if I made this choice to come

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down here, I was thinking to myself, like, why would I want to come down to experience
negativity?
I don't understand this, you know, because if I could choose again, maybe I would have,
you know, but I get it, though.
It's a learning process and it's a growing thing for our spirits.
So I totally understand that aspect of it.
Yeah, because, you know, when you are on the other side, when you are in the non-physical,

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you don't lack for anything.
So we come here for contrast.
We come here for the negative.
We come here for the hurt and for the pain and the disappointment.
And you know, we're a better place to do that than here with other people.
Yeah.
You know, because it's like going to a buffet.
It's like going to a buffet.
If you don't try out certain things, you know, you're never going to know what you like and

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certain things you're not going to like.
And yeah, so that contrast helps us decide, you know, what it is we like and certain things
we may want to explore later on, maybe in another life or who knows if we have other
lives, you know.
So it's like that old saying, it's not the destination, it's the journey.
And that applies to a lot of different things.
It doesn't matter where we end up.

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It matters what we learn along the way.
You see, and even though we're seeking something and we're looking down the road, we think
that's what we want.
Our linear thinking is we have a plan, we have a goal, and this is what we're going
to accomplish.
Our soul is like, yeah, we might find it along the way.
We might find it before we get there.

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And you'll trip over it because you're too busy looking at the horizon and what's right
in front of you.
So you got to live in present moment.
You got to take it day by day.
The four agreements are really a good book, right?
You be impeccable with your word.
You don't make assumptions and you do your best, always, always do your best.

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And then now I can't even remember the fourth one.
You got three of them out there.
I got three out of four.
Hey, that's all right.
That's passing.
That's passing right there.
That's passing.
Well, I wanted to ask you as a shaman and the way that you do it, how do you connect
with the spiritual world and what practices or rituals do you use when you're doing your

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work?
I started out with the shamanic journey, which is a altered state of consciousness.
And we accomplished that with drumming, rattling.
And it's really helpful to be in a group dynamic when we do it.
And that's when you the science behind that is you reach the alpha state of brain frequency,

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like pre-sleep that where the imagery and everything can actually come through and you
kind of step around your critical mind.
And so the shamanic journey is where I started.
But when you start, the more connection you make, and especially with your spirit guides,

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because they will tend to just kind of come in whether you're trying to tune in or not
sometimes.
But you kind of you get to the point.
It's all about the law of attraction.
It's whatever you're vibing out.
So as you're learning and you're growing, you tend to kind of hit or vibe with some
of the higher evolutions.

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But the journey is where it all begins.
And as well, I always tell everybody that it's good.
That's a good starting point.
But you really want to get to you know, you don't always have time to say, OK, I'm going
to take 15 minutes here.
I'm on a drum and I'm on a journey.
Sometimes you need an answer now and you want that intuition to kick in.
You want that inner knowing to be there.

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And that's what you're trying to get.
And that's what comes as you as you grow, as you practice.
It's all about practice.
It's all about being consistent and being diligent.
Now I don't really do the journey anymore.
I usually just put it out there and say, this is what I need to find out.
This is what I need to know.

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I'm asking for guidance.
And sometimes the answer comes right back to me.
Sometimes it takes a while.
Yeah.
Or, you know, something's got to work through and a healing.
It's a different kind of connection because I merged with the person's energy.
So I'm checking in on their chakras and their very soul, really, to see what their chakras

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are telling me, what their biofield is telling me.
And then there's different levels of spirit that will come in.
And again, when you first learn the shamanic journey, it's all power animals and animal
spirits.
And then all of a sudden, well, there might be an angelic or your guides are there.

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And then it might be a higher level angelic.
And then it might be an archangel.
And then you get all these other beings sometimes that come in there and you don't even know
what they are exactly.
But they come in.
But it's but as you as you reach a higher level of consciousness and being as you continue
to do the work, because only matching vibrations share space.

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So if you you start elevating yourself.
The higher evolutions will start trying to match you, you see, and you can work with
you.
Which is amazing.
You just said because, John, what we do with the binaural beats and we work with frequency
and we get into altered states of consciousness, you have seen a massive growth in what he

(32:42):
just said, where you're starting to reach the same vibrational frequency as these entities
of what you're dealing with.
And you're getting these amazing responses.
So that was that was amazing that you mentioned that, Steve, that brought up such things that
we were talking about earlier, me and him.
That's great.
You know what?
What you see is seeking you.

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Yeah.
And that goes back to the point.
You got to do the work.
You got to do the work.
You know, the universe, what's the old saying?
The universe moves when you do.
Yeah.
And that's true.
I mean, if you're just sitting on your ass and not doing anything, what do you expect?
You expect the universe to come to you?

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And that's just not how it works.
You have to move.
Spirit never imposes itself on you.
OK.
Good, bad or indifferent.
You ask, then you spark something, then you stir up the energies you see.
So the more you do, the more you know, know thyself, you know, if you know that what's

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that what's that saying?
Know thyself and know God in the universe.
Right.
And so you got to know yourself and you got to move and you got to act and you got to
act on guidance.
And then that's the universe and the spirit.
OK.
But we're with you and they they they climb on board, they get on board with you and they
they'll help.
And they are they're really good about helping you out about things like that.

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It's just tuning in and giving them your commitment and being willing to open yourself up and
listening.
Right.
Like it's a it's a it's an old shamanic concept.
You know what?
What you honor, what we honor honors us.
You know.
Yeah.
We honor our power animals, they honor us.

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We honor spirit.
It honors us.
We honor the universe.
The universe is going to honor us because again, it's that law of attraction.
It is that governing law of mirroring.
OK.
Whatever we're vibing out, the universe reflects back to us and that becomes our reality.
So that's that's how we are creators.

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And of course, that sounds real simple.
Everybody knows it's a lot harder than that.
A lot harder.
Yeah.
But at least if people would get that concept now, they would they would understand, like,
wait a minute, this situation really sucks.
OK, I need to readjust.
I need to recalibrate.
What is it I need to do differently to change this around?

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Yeah.
You know, that's why I tell people have childlike faith, you know, because it's like a child
will have the imagination of what we need to have as adults.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that that really is something that we should really have is that childlike faith.
But Chris, go ahead, my friend.
It's not.
I mean, kids, it's not imaginary.

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It's fact.
You know, it's all and that's that's where we lack.
You know, if we had that that innocence, we had that faith, if we had that it's already
done, it would be simply would be kids haven't been spoiled by society.
And jaded by it, I guess is a better word.
Sure.
Yeah.
Or bills.

(36:02):
Yeah, and bills and then responsibility.
Yeah.
But I tell you what, I wish I can go back to being a kid because you're absolutely right.
Having that childlike faith is something so important.
And I try to always have it when I'm doing my work, because, you know, it's it helps
in a lot of ways.
It really truly does.
John, you want to ask a question?

(36:24):
Yeah, so when you when you're asking spirit a question, you know, are you doing this subconsciously?
Are you verbally speaking out the question?
And when you get your answer, do you hear it subconsciously or do you have the audio
capability of hearing it?
Yes.
How is that?

(36:48):
Normally, I mean, I'm a big believer in putting it out there.
OK, so and so people.
When I'm driving, especially, you know, I'm kind of in that zone and I'll do a lot of
praying and I'll put it out there and I don't worry about it because people assume I'm talking
on my phone.
I'm not.

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I'm talking to whoever wants to listen and I'm putting it out there.
And it's when I'm in that zone and you got to get in that zone like the gym is one of
my zones.
You know, I don't think about anything.
Even going to the gym is a spiritual event for me because I get in that zone and that's
and that when you get out of your head, that's when the answers come in.

(37:30):
You know how you ever work crossword puzzles?
Yeah.
OK.
And you know how you get stuck on one and the more you think about it, the more frustrated
you get.
And but when you fold that paper up and you put it down and you walk away.
Yeah, the answer comes.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
So you run back and you write it down.

(37:54):
Sometimes I do and I don't hear it's a it's a telepathic thing.
It's more like an inspirational thought.
OK, is what it is.
Or like I said, it's like, OK, you need to all of a sudden you need to read this book.
The answer is in this book or this TV show or something along those lines.
So I mean, it can come in different ways.

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And so you have to be aware and alert, you know, because the answer can just it can come
from somebody waiting in a checkout line.
Somebody could just randomly spit out something and then give you the answer.
You know, what had that happened?
And they don't sometimes they don't even know what they said.

(38:37):
They're not even aware.
You know, it's that's that's kind of spooky.
But you know, I have ever have ever been driving and you got an answer and it was like maybe
off a billboard or something that you or something that you just never even expected.
And it just hits you in the face and you're like, wow, I was literally just asking about
this.

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And here's my answer right in front of me.
Have you ever had that happen?
Oh, yeah.
Or hear it on the radio.
Yeah.
On the radio or something.
Yeah.
Or a song.
A song will come on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
I mean, I'm not sure if you're wondering what you're saying.
Yeah, there it is.
And yeah.
Yeah.
You're not in the it and people.

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So that's just coincidence.
No, it's not.
That's that.
I mean, that's not the universe of God.
And there's a big I mean, I used to all what I still do.
A lot of my answers would come in the form of animals, animal signs, animal symbols,
because the spirit animal spirits and the power animals, the totems, they all carry

(39:43):
a different medicine or a different message.
And so if if a certain animal bird or whatever would appear, I could look that up and I'd
get the answer or sometimes a word to pop in the head.
And you know, you and you don't assume that, you know, if that word means look it up, look
up all the different definitions and see if that doesn't apply to the question you just

(40:04):
asked to help you explain.
But there's there's always all kinds of different, different that comes to you.
See, I don't believe that it's a coincidence either, because, you know, everything is as
consciousness.
I believe everything is consciousness and in it like plants, animals, anything.
For example, there is a dog on TikTok where they have these buttons down.

(40:28):
And John, you know what I'm about to say?
The dog would press like I'm Marley or like, Hi, I love you.
Or like, I want to go outside and like, there's like these buttons that dogs can press to
interact and learn.
I've seen that actual dog.
Now they had to put on medication because the dog kept saying, what am I?
And then they would say here.

(40:48):
Yeah, it would look here and go, what am I?
And they would say they would say they would press the button and say dog and they would
say what it kept doing it to the point where it got depressed.
And they actually had to bring it to the vet and put it on medication now.
And they actually just recently stopped, I believe, uploading videos of the dog Marley
because of it.
And I'm like, think about this.

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Like these animals have to have the same consciousness that we have in us.
It's just they can't obviously speak our language.
It's just like going to a different country where someone speaks Russian and I speak American
or English.
I mean, I don't understand what they're saying.
It's like the same thing with like an animal, all this consciousness around us, all this
energy around us.
There just can't be a coincidence, you know, that just sits there and goes, oh, that's

(41:31):
a coincidence to me, because after all the stuff that I've learned and witnessed and
everything, it just it just doesn't make sense to be like, oh, that's a coincidence.
You know, there's too much.
And it pisses me off, too, when I hear people say something, it's just a dog.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, it's really pisses me off.
Sorry.

(41:52):
You might as well just say, well, it's just a kid.
Yeah.
I mean, what the fuck's your problem?
I mean, they don't see this.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a no.
That's a it drives me nuts being, you know.
So yeah, I agree.
I mean, even stones, crystals.
Yeah.
And they still there's a consciousness.

(42:13):
Everything is everything is and that it that's and that that is what.
That's kind of a game changer when you see that when you when you start seeing that and
everything.
I mean, I went to that phase where you started questioning everything, you know, it's kind
of like, what does that mean?
Oh, my God.
You know, all these different synchronicities and you get to the point where you just let

(42:37):
sometimes shit happens.
Yeah, it just does.
And then other times it's kind of OK, that's a message.
You know, you need to tune in and look at it.
So how do you interpret and work with dreams or visions in your shamanic practice?
Or do you work with dreams and visions in your shamanic practice?

(42:58):
Well, I mean, dreams and visions are not.
They are not so different from what you might see in a shamanic journey, because everything
in a shamanic journey is symbolism, its archetypes, its things of that nature.
And so I help people we start looking at sometimes they don't they're not sure what they're seeing.

(43:26):
Like I have one guy and he was he was writing it all.
He was writing down the different symbols.
And I and I actually recognize that a lot of the one thing he was writing down was a.
It was a vortex of a wormhole thing.
And then and I forget it's actually it's in my book.

(43:49):
And I don't remember exactly what that was.
But some of the other things that he was writing down was it was ancient Hebrew.
It was ancient.
And so and it was kind of it was him getting these in journeys and dreams.
And I was trying to tell him, you know, figure out what they meant.

(44:10):
He didn't want anything to do with that.
I don't care about any of that.
Well, I thought it was interesting and I went with it.
That's where I got off.
I started studying Kabbalah and in all the different the new sciences and things like
that.
And that's where I got the idea of the book and the new teachings and the whole simpatico
thing.

(44:32):
So and everything when people have dreams, they have visions, they have journeys.
I mean, it's all very subjective.
So I'm I'm not going to tell you what your dream is about because it's it's your dream.
It's not.

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But I can tell you, OK, here's the symbolism or let's look up what is this archetype?
What does that mean?
Yeah, there's there's some dream dictionaries out there, I think that are pretty, pretty
good.
At least it's a guideline.
It's something that will get you working and unravel, you know, because we always have
to decode all these and nothing is ever just handed to you.

(45:14):
Here's your full answer.
Right.
You got to do the work.
And if you don't do the work, you're not going to appreciate it.
Right.
It's your your own to appreciate and you're going to learn it more if you have to actually
do do some of the work, do some of the study.
No, it's like that time, AJ.

(45:35):
I called you like early in the morning.
I'm like, dude, I just woke up and I had this dream of this white stag with glowing antlers.
And I was like, I don't know what that means.
And you're like, I don't know.
So I had to look it up.
Being like that's supposedly a vision of Jesus.
I was like, OK, I was like, huh?

(45:58):
So I'm Jesus in my dream.
Yeah, I mean, it's it's your subconscious.
It's it's.
Yeah.
And and you don't ever know what's going on in somebody's head.
I mean, if they don't even know, how are you supposed to know?
There are there are there are ways and there are ways.

(46:18):
It's like when I was talking about when I get into your energy field, sometimes, sometimes
I can get into that subconscious and help you out on that, you know, some insights on
but, you know, you normally don't want to get into somebody's subconscious because that's
a dark, scary place.
Oh, yes.

(46:39):
Yeah, definitely.
I don't even like visiting mine.
Yeah, you're right.
Right.
Exactly.
I can't imagine visiting somebody else's.
Oh, my gosh.
But yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
Chris, go ahead, my friend.
No, no, no.
You're good.
OK.
I have something in my head and I lost it.
Oh, that's all right.
So you're subconscious.
Oh, yeah.
I'm going to go ahead and get into your subconscious.
No way, Chris.

(47:01):
No, I'm just joking.
I'm just joking.
Yeah, totally.
No one wants to hear.
Right.
So, Steve, can you share?
Actually, I'll wait.
I'll save this question for the end.
But one question I was going to ask you was what advice would you give to someone interested
in exploring shamanism or becoming a shaman?

(47:23):
What advice would you give to somebody?
If they say that they wanted to start this journey like you did and they're feeling it
in their heart like you did, what would you give them advice?
What would be your advice?
Don't.
Don't.
Yeah.
I mean, I get that a lot.

(47:45):
And I don't really know how to because I have taken on people.
It's OK.
You know what?
You'll be the student.
I'm going to walk you through some of the things that I went through.
And you just you lose them.
Again, they just don't want to do the work.

(48:06):
So I mean, first of all, I said, man, this is what it's going to entail.
These are some of the things you're going to that's going to be required of you.
Are you willing to really put in the work?
There's a lot of information on shamanism itself on the Internet.

(48:27):
And most of that's not going to change.
I mean, that's that's that goes that's historically just correct.
But I would say don't my my my big advice is learn everything about the traditional
shamanism, but don't get locked into that.
You have to be you have to grow traditional shamanism is archaic.

(48:50):
It's a closed system.
It doesn't evolve.
Open system.
It has to be you have to be more inclusive of other belief systems.
You have to be able to look at different different views.
And that's kind of what we're all about.
That's the book.
That's the TV show.
It's all about the diversity and its unity through diversity.

(49:14):
Ironically enough, you know, it sounds like an oxymoron, but that's what it is.
It's a unit unification through diversity.
And that's where learning, reading, studying Kabbalah helped me understand a lot of the
shamanic concepts.
It actually, you know, and I would even see you see all the different all the different

(49:36):
religions and belief systems that all have their own little perspective or a little different
spin on things.
You need to look at that because you can take all these little pieces and start filling
in blanks and putting together that big jigsaw puzzle.
You can't do that with one system.
It just it's not going to work.
Would you tell someone just to gather up their own belief system from all the different goal

(49:58):
with what vibes with you?
You know, it's yeah, don't don't feel like you have to go a certain you don't don't fall
into the trap of somebody saying you have to do these certain steps to be a shamanic
practitioner.
Yeah.
Start somewhere to get your basics, but then color outside the lines.

(50:19):
Don't get out there.
Just don't be afraid and don't let people.
I think that's why organized religion fails because they they don't grow.
They do not.
Yeah, yeah.
It is what it is.
And it's only that's as far as we're going to go with that.
You have to go.
Yeah.
Haley Stark says have more have more than one teacher.

(50:39):
And she's you know, she's right.
That'd be that's that's a great idea as well.
Thanks, Haley.
Oh, hey, Haley.
Hey, Haley.
Yeah, she said she said that.
And hold on.
She's she said hello to before to you.
And she was laughing when you said don't when I first asked you that question, as you could
say, Haley, Haley studying the shamanism.

(51:00):
I'm not great.
Yeah.
I'm not sure exactly where she is on that or which way she's going with it.
But hopefully I'm going to see her soon.
And that is awesome.
Well, Haley, we wish you the best and we can't wait to see where you take it and what happens.
That's going to be an amazing journey.
And I I wish you the best.
So that's awesome.

(51:21):
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Steve, I wanted to ask you this question so badly from your time growing up.
Can you share a story or a legend from your tradition that holds a special meaning to
you?
If you have one, if you don't, that's OK, too.

(51:42):
I'm not a legend.
Say say a story or anything that resonates with you from your tradition as a shaman that
you can bring forward.
If you don't have one, that's totally OK as well.
I tell you, it's not it's a I was raised Catholic.

(52:03):
OK, so I mean, I mean, altar boy dinner with the bishop, the whole nine yards, like 12
years of, you know, of a Catholic school and so hardcore Catholic.
So, you know, the Catholic religion honors Mary.

(52:24):
And I've always had a problem with that because on one hand, I really truly do believe she
needs to be honored.
I don't agree with the way that the church presents her as the Virgin.
And yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I've always had a connection.
Halfway through the I didn't get to read all that from.

(52:45):
Oh, sorry.
She said halfway, halfway.
Yeah, halfway through my classes.
And she says, and thank you.
See you soon, Steve.
OK, yes.
That's my girl.
I love her.
So I've always had.
I don't know what to call it, but a connection, really.

(53:06):
A connection with.
Mary, the holy mother, my my mom's middle name was Marie.
So my sister's middle name was Marie, my daughter's name middle name is Marie, my granddaughter's
middle name is Marie.
And so but I kind of got away from all that because that was I I just didn't see where

(53:31):
that fit in where I was going.
And then I was talking to Sarah.
Martichy the psychic.
Yeah, I did.
And she works with Mary and a lot.
And there was something about that that triggered something because I have always had like,

(53:56):
you know, the Beatles song, Let It Be.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Mother Mary.
Yeah.
And that song always made me misty.
And I couldn't figure out why is like, what the fuck?
This is a good.
And then there was another Eric Clapton and.

(54:18):
Here's Luciano.
Oh, Jesus.
The tenor, the famous tenor, the big Pavarotti.
Yeah.
And he would he would sing the holy mother and it would just I was kind of damn, you
know, these songs are killing me.

(54:39):
And so there's something then when I talked to Sarah, it's like, OK, she said whatever
she said broke something loose.
And so now I'm looking at bringing Mother Mary into the work that I do.
I'm not sure how.
I'm not sure.
That is amazing.
But, you know, after 60 years, I guess it's about time, you know, you can just see all

(55:04):
these all these people on the other side.
It's about goddamn time.
He got this.
Right.
Right.
I know that feeling.
Trust me.
Oh, my gosh.
Our guys just look at us and just shake their head like, oh, my gosh, it's like a school
run across the road.
Like, what is he doing?
So I told him that I know my guys probably have a headache every day when they watch

(55:26):
my life.
Oh, yeah.
You know, I'm pretty.
That's good.
Here's what you wake up.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've been through two or three guardian angels already.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, no, y'all don't pay me enough for this guy.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

(55:46):
They resigned very quickly in my life.
I feel, you know, but.
Yeah, right.
But, John, go ahead, my friend.
Oh, man, this has been a great show.
Steve, I can't thank you enough for coming back on, man.
You've done awesome.
And I'm so happy on your journey.

(56:06):
Did you want to shout out your book real quick?
And maybe some people would be interested in getting.
Yeah, let me show it to you.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Thank you, everyone, for tuning in and watching and checking out.
Thank you, Haley.
Thank you, Nicole.
Thank you, Sun.
I feel like you ran away.
Yeah, yeah, I feel you on that, Nicole.

(56:27):
I feel you on that.
Mind to shake their head every day.
OK, this is it.
Sympotic.
Oh, yeah.
Sympotic.
I don't know.
Where's the camera at?
There it is.
There we go.
Sympotic.
I like it.
Which, you know, it's important means in agreement, it means in harmony with on the same wavelength.

(56:48):
And that's the whole thing in the subtitle is reconciling the disparity of spirituality,
ancient wisdom and modern science.
Can they buy that on your website there?
It's on Amazon.
It's on Amazon.
OK, that's the easiest way to do it.
So you go to integrated shaman dot com and there is a link and you can read and actually

(57:13):
you can go to you can go to my author page to there's a link on a different link on me.
Yeah.
Chris, just put it right in the comments for you so everyone you can click that and check
right out.
I can't.
Yeah.
So it's I mean, there's a lot.
It's it's four hundred something pages.

(57:33):
I think what I originally wrote to I wrote this book and I wrote a supplement and I decided
I trimmed down the book and I combined the two.
So it's actually it's two books and one.
The last part is it's got the 72 names of God from Kabbalah, which I put my spin on

(57:53):
what those were the names mean.
So I mean, so it does tie into the book and the I have definitions of the higher evolution
for those that are interested, like the angelic and all that.
And a lot of that I got from the different sources with the keys of Enoch was a.

(58:15):
Hey, Kimber.
Hey, Kimber.
Thank you so much.
We really appreciate the compliment and huge hug, Steve, she says.
Huge, huge.
Yeah.
And I guess I should have been watching the band or the.
Oh, no, you're all right.
We put them up for you.
So don't worry about it.
But go on what you were saying.
Yeah, you were going about the 72 or the 70 new names of God.

(58:39):
Yeah.
And that's at the core of Kabbalah.
And I know that's not everybody's cup of tea, but.
You know, shamanism and Kabbalah are probably the two oldest belief systems on the planet.
So I just felt like those they went well together.
And it's basically they explain one another.
You know, I mean, the other third oldest is probably what?

(59:02):
Wiccan witchcraft.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you know, it makes me wonder why we don't look back at these older religions and why,
you know, we only look at the certain religions we look at now, like the major ones like Christianity,
Islam, all that kind of stuff.
And why we don't look at stuff that.
Yeah, Nicole, we'll get Steve to come on your show as well.

(59:22):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, she's awesome.
You guys will have such a great conversation.
But it's amazing what I was going to say about how these older religions like they people
don't think about the knowledge that also comes with those older type.
You know, I guess you would call them religions or whatever you want to call them.
You know, you know, I just like say, for example, Sumerian tablets and Sumerian texts and certain

(59:46):
things like that, like we don't even look back at those things that we have written
on stone, you know.
And it's like, why don't we look at those things anymore?
How come we we kind of show them to the side and now the mainstream has came forward?
And I love how you're integrating older stuff with newer stuff and evolving the shamanism
into your own way and making it evolved into this amazing, amazing spirituality experience.

(01:00:08):
I really do love it.
Amazing.
Well, thank you.
Yeah.
And I think it's long overdue.
And some of the ancient texts, I mean, the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, hardly anybody even
talks about that anymore.
And so I'm sorry, it's not that they're not even real.
Yeah.
And, you know, I don't even care.

(01:00:28):
There's a lot of truth there.
There's a lot of stuff in there.
I mean, Thoth is explaining concepts that are in relativistic theory and quantum physics.
3000 years ago, I don't care who you are.
That's pretty cool.
And you need to be looking at that.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Or like the Sumerian tablets, the Emerald Tablets, they all have the story that's in

(01:00:52):
the Bible.
Like a lot of the stories.
That's what I was just going to say.
I've taken a whole different look at the Bible.
Of course, you know, the Bible has been edited.
It's been butchered up since the Council of Nicene Constance.
They got in there and the church rewrote.
I mean, literally rewrote everything.

(01:01:12):
But still, when you look at the lost books, like the lost book of Thomas that has not
been edited.
Yes.
And then a lot of the things that Jesus is talking and I start realizing the church is
saying he's talking about this.
And I'll say again, bullshit.
That's not what he's saying.
No.

(01:01:33):
And I've been saying it for a long time to myself.
He's yeah, he wasn't.
Yeah.
They they added that out for a reason.
And I'm telling you, it is a reason because there's so much knowledge in that gospel of
Thomas book, so much knowledge in that book of Thomas.
And it's great.
I mean, some of it, you know, the the famous, you know, are asking you and you will receive
knock in the door will be opened up to you or seek and you'll find.

(01:01:56):
And that's where it stops.
And so I keep thinking, why is why are people not saying, well, is that as simple as it
gets?
Yeah.
But yeah.
But in the lost book of Thomas, he continues and there's more text there and he starts
telling you the secrets of how you're supposed to ask and seek and find and manifest.

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He actually explains this, but the church didn't want you to know that.
Yeah.
Why is it up from when he's age 12 and then all of a sudden picks up when he's age 30?
You know, it's like they don't talk about what?
Yeah, they don't talk about how he went to Egypt.
They don't talk about things.
This was the time he was in Egypt exploring all these other religions and learning, you

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know, and that's what happened.
They don't want they don't want to say that.
No, no, because they knew because see, Jesus was a shaman, you see.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I know.
I believe that I truly do.
I mean, one thing that Shannon asked, she said, do you think that Jesus was like an
alien or a hybrid, an alien hybrid, anything along those lines because of certain things

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that he was able to do with what they say in the Bible?
Like, you know, say, for example, turn water into wine or all those certain things.
Or do you believe that that's a symbolism that they use in those times to suggest something
different?
What would you think?
I think that Yaheshua.
Yaheshua.
That's what I should have said.
Yes.
Yaheshua is one of the highest levels of being first created.

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So high, high evolution.
In fact, if you're going to say, gee, Yaheshua was not God as in the Creator, but he was
a God.
He was a God, along with Michael and Samuel, Lucifer, the whole thing.
And I love that story, by the way.
Yeah.
But anyway, no, I think that he was one of the first created.

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And as Thoth explains in the Emerald Tablets, the ones closest to the Creator are the ones
with the most power.
And so he fully understood, not to mention he had to go through the incarnations just
like we did to learn and to be human.
He learned what it was like to be human.
But he still he realized that he was a God.

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And even the Catholic in the Bible, Psalms 82, 6, and I have said, you're God's each
of your children are the most high.
And so, you know, I dare the church to tell me that we aren't gods.
And the Bible said, but I say, no, he wasn't an alien.
He was a superior spiritual being.
He came down here.

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He still knew his roots.
He knew where he came from.
And that's what he was saying.
We have to put everything into perspective of the times when he says the father, that's
just how they talk.
That was the symbolism.
The father was the wound.
The father was God.
And that's what he said.
The Aramaic Lord's Prayer is much more than what the one that we say today.

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And I know.
All right.
Well, even for all this, there's the Anunnaki that was way before them, too.
Yeah.
And there are all these previous civilizations and stuff because they were masters long before
Jesus.
And I think we've had a series of masters that they keep coming every couple of thousand
years hoping that we're going to pull our head out of our ass.

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Wake up.
Yeah.
And that just don't seem to happen.
So I think we have we always I think Einstein may have been a higher level.
Yeah, definitely.
His message, Moses, and according to Kabbalah, Moses was a master.

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And the ranks of same and the thing is they figured this out.
They figured out how to use the source was in reaching out to the source without to do
these miraculous things.
But once if we could ever reach that level, it's not going to be miraculous.
It's going to be natural.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tesla is great.
I mean, and some of the science some of these scientists just makes you wonder if they're
human souls, really.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it does.
I mean, it's like Tesla stuff like that.

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He was so intelligent.
I mean, especially he was so ahead of his time, just like Jesus was ahead of his time, just
like, say, Mohammed was ahead of his time.
Peace be upon him.
I mean, all those things.
I mean, it's just it's absolutely amazing that, you know, like you said, every single
time, you know, every thousand years, we have like one of these teachers or one of these,
you know, spiritual beings that come down to try and wake us up and show us a new new

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way of thinking.
And what do you think?
Do you think now that with the way that spirituality is involving now, do you think that maybe
we as a consciousness as a whole, as the earth is actually finally growing and stay going
to the fifth dimension, as some people would say, or you think that spirituality is evolving
now to the point where maybe we may get it?

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Well, I mean, we're definitely doing better.
We're still chipping away.
Yeah.
Still chipping at the tip of the iceberg because about the time everybody really gets their
hopes up, humanity does some stupid shit again.
And so we always fall back into that trap.
But yeah, and but I do think it does seem that more and more people are opening up to,

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you know, alternate beliefs.
They're not organized.
Religion is a comfortable thing for a lot of people, but it's disappointed even more
people.
It's let them down.
And in fact, it may have even damaged them.
Yeah.
Well, you know, they they need something else.
And that's where I hope we can step in, because it's like anything else.

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People take advantage of that.
They see vulnerable people and all they see is dollar signs or attention.
And they don't say they don't tell you the truth.
And they don't know the truth.
They don't really even care if it's the truth.
Yeah.
And I think I've put in enough time and enough experience that I can at least start explaining

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some things because it's one of my goals is to debunk some of the spiritual misconceptions
that are out there and to help explain that some of them.
Yeah.
He's had a mate with Mary.
I think Mary Magaghan was Jesus squeeze.
That was his name.
Yeah.

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From what it says in the Lost Books, I mean, it does say in the Dead Sea Scrolls, too,
you know, that they were, you know, they were a thing.
And I do believe that.
I honestly do.
I mean, you know, but all the like all the texts that are not in the Bible, like, you
know, it makes you wonder why they took them out.
But also when you read them, then you know why.
And you're like, OK, it makes a lot of sense, you know.

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But I tell you what, thank you so much for coming on.
I want you to please share one of the things if you'd like from either your book or you
could share with everyone about your show and all that before you leave.
We hope to.
We hope that we're going to have future episodes, of course, for the other side.

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But that will be coming from Chris and her and the Creep Street and all that whenever
that comes into effect.
The book, I think you all enjoy it.
Look at it on Amazon.
Just put in my name.
It's in Potico on Amazon and you'll get that.
Yeah, we put it in the comments, too.
So guys, everyone could check it out.

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And we are going to launch our podcast here, hopefully within the next two or three weeks.
And it's also called some Potico Blurring the Lines.
That's a good title, man.
I like that.
I love it.
That's awesome.
And that's what we want to do is we want to blur all the lines.

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It goes hand in hand with the TV show and the book, you know, to blur the lines of our
devices thinking to stop looking at everything that's black and white, look at all the different
diversity.
And so, you know, and of course, I'll talk about concepts in my book, but we have Sarah
Martucci, we have Amber Vance, we have Rebecca Wilkins.
And so there's four of us on the show.

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So we're going to all have different perspectives.
You'll have some perspectives from, you know, the old guy, the shaman.
And then, you know,
The wise one, the wise one.
That's it.
Yep.
Master.
Yep.
And then we have the folklorist, the storyteller, Amber, the psychic medium, Sarah and the

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mystic Christian Rebecca, who is also learning the shamanic things.
She's probably she's my right hand and she's going to learn a lot of the stuff.
She's she's been the only one that has actually been able to stick with that path.
Wow.
So far, so that's going to be awesome to see.

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It's going to be it.
I think it's going to be good.
And it doesn't matter.
I mean, we're going to take suggestions you want to talk about, because Sarah is a Big
Foot fanatic.
She loves Bigfoot.
So we're going to talk about Bigfoot.
We're going to talk about cryptids.
I had to actually look that up because I didn't know what that was.
Oh, that's going to be a good show then, because I know you're going to you're going to go

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off on it because you're going to do a lot of a lot of looking into it.
And I can tell right now, Steve, you're going to go nuts into it.
I'm going to love every minute of it.
It's going to be great.
We're going to have fun doing it.
Yeah, that's awesome.
That is awesome.
Well, Steve, we stay in the background so I could talk to you at the end real quick,
if you don't mind.
But thank you so much for coming on.
And once again, I want to I want to show everybody the little together promo.

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Yeah.
Go ahead, Chris.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
I was great to meet him.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's good seeing you again.
And John, man, I'll have you say your goodbyes to real quick.
Until you go.
Thank you so much.
Please stay backstage, man.
I love hearing all your wisdom.
Cool.
So all right.
I will see you in one sec, Steve.
All right.
All right.
Wow, guys.
So tell me, man, what?
That face says it all.

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That face says it all.
No, but I'm telling you, man, this is an amazing show.
I love I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love I love the way that Steve and all the group in general, when we had the other side
on, how they view things and how they work together from all different aspects of life.

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And I think that that is absolutely amazing.
And what Steve does is absolutely amazing.
I think he's taking like like how he took his shamanism to a whole nother level and
is adding into all this other, you know, type of spirituality stuff into it and evolving
it.
Like you said, it's an archaic thing and he's evolving it.
I think that's just so amazing to see because you don't see that from a lot of people in the

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aspect of that
you know what I'm saying you see a closed door where it just stays in this little box and
It doesn't get out of that box where it's so great to see people who are evolving and getting on that box
But what did you guys think it needs it needs to evolve into a new state because otherwise it will just go by the wayside
To you so it's great
Yeah

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definitely
No, it's awesome
You know I think he's he's very wise and you know it just confirms everything that Billy's Carson saying
So so it's I'm getting more and more answers like the questions that I'm asking in my head
And then you get these amazing guests that are answering these questions. They're like

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You're not supposed to meet somebody like you're asking these questions in your head like he was talking about and you know, here's your answer
Yeah
Absolutely
Well everyone listen, thank you so much for tuning in everyone Shannon
Nicole Haley just every single person that tuned in. Thank you so much. We truly appreciate it

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