The Chaser: Expedition Untold Ch. 15-20

We get together to talk about all our favorite moments and answer as many questions as we can about Expedition Untold

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back to the Tall Tale Tavern, a pile of rubble in
between the shops of a tailor and a florist, outside of which
there are three new Story keepers standing outside
wondering what to do next. Welcome Scott and and Brooke and
Becca to the Chaser episode. I I believe Scott requested an

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and with. And yeah, it has not been a
suspect fault and with. Scott, as in Tiro Burstera,
please. Yes, but you also have to list
every character that he's ever played.
Oh. Yeah, I will be requiring.
That from future chasers. We'll hammer out the details
later. My lawyer will be contacting
you. He's your father-in-law.

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Welcome, everybody. Welcome listeners to the Chaser
episode for the finale and for Hell, I guess in reverse order
of how we'll go through it, but the Hell episodes of Expedition
Untold and then the finale episode of Expedition Untold and
just the general campaign wrap up Chaser questions that we have

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a quite a long list of questionsfrom listeners.
Mostly Marilyn Maverick, I'm guessing.
I don't. Know what you mean?
Thanks Mav. Love you Mav.
But but you're my. Lawyer, even though Scott's
cheating on you? Yeah, well.

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I just feel like Kyle's going tobe more intimidated in the
courtroom with his father-in-lawon the other side, you know,
like that's, that's extra advantageous for Marcus.
'S man Matt is feisty. And does delightful so.
I mean, that will distract me. So I think that's why Kyle
should get Mav. Really.
That's that's not generous of you?

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Yeah. That's great.
In my defense, yes. You.
Are you are the defendant you are on trial so this.
Is, oh, isn't there that lawsuitagainst you for the emotional
trauma of this campaign so. That's actually what's going on.
This is the trial of. I actually can't speak about any
of these episodes. That's going to be a real hard

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thing for the Chaser. I can't, yeah.
I was. Going to constantly say my
lawyers that did not comment on that.
Actually it's. Going to be really.
Interesting. It's over.
Great. Excellent.
I played the. 5th edition, am I right?
Because that's the. That's the Dungeons and Dragons.
That we play this 5th edition for this entire campaign.

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Actually, we issued the 2024 rules and just stuck with that
5th edition, Yeah. Well, we are here for the Chaser
episode and we have some episodes to get through.
And so I think we're just going to start with start with our
first episode, the chapter 15, going all the way back to the

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character's entrance into hell after being portaled away from
the cyberpunk world, defeating the double version of the A
Blacks, the two of its forms together.
And then Thwick opening the portal, right?
I guess not Thwick, but Beatriceopening the portal and bringing

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your characters into hell. And this first part of the
episode was you guys getting in there talking to Thwick and
Goose was there with with with GAIL and GAIL and also Diandra
was there and. His first part?
Of the castle and then eventually going up and talking

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to resist the demon Lord. That whole part was very
exciting to me the you guys entering into hell because this
is kind of like kind of like been a plan for a while for like
the end of this campaign being like the setting being hell as
you guys would go through it. And so it was fun to bring your

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characters in and then sort of do a big lore dump with Thwick
there and then with a few, but with multiple characters, all
these characters going on was just kind of mass chaos.
But. Was the idea then always to have
hell be the end with players dropping in just for one
episode? Yes, yeah.

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So the the end, yeah, I wanted to for the, for the end, it was,
it was like, man, it's it would be so fun to get a lot of people
and who've played some of these characters who didn't
necessarily get a chance to be in their setting to bring them
in for these episodes. Some, you know, people who've
been on for with multiple characters, some of them.
And so, so the way the way to dothat, one way would have been,

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you know, Gladion, Gladion theater style and bring
everybody in for the final battle or something crazy like
that. I would have loved it if you
surprised. Trump.
Like. 13 guests, everybody. That's when.
Scott snaps and murders Kyle. Yeah.

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Yeah, no, it was Yeah. So it was very, it was very fun
to reach out to people trying tofigure out, hey, when when can
you do this? You know, when you know what
weeks work for you and try to put together different guests
who could make it at different times and kind of form the story

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around that as you your characters traverse through hell
to get to the to get to the tower.
So yeah, that was a plan that was in in play for a long time.
That was essentially that the All Blacks had set up this
contingency resurrection in hellin case it died.

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And William knew about that because of his kind of
supernatural connection to the stories and the Tavern and
through kind of space and time just being present throughout
all these stories. He knew kind of what was going
down. And the Oblix didn't know that
he knew. I like that change in format for
the hell episodes because I think it helps make things feel

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like propulsive toward the end of the story that there's this
change where people are only there for one episode guaranteed
after we've had sort of like growing the stays with the
guests. Before that, you know, it was
like 2 episodes for Zootopia or Zoonopia and then like 3 from

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the Wild West. And then we did a ton like of
the arc for the Cyberpunk people.
So to then have it start going like rapid fire instead of.
Another. Long story, I think was smart.
Yeah, And the end of this episode is really interesting
with, like, GAIL was like, I'm scared I don't wanna go.
And then Thwick was like, I didn't know I was gonna go.

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Like it really kind of was like things are not the same that
they used to be. Yeah.
Which was? Yeah, it was fun.
And also I made sure all the players knew, hey, you are in
for one episode and you're leaving at the end because a lot
of people are a couple people are like, well, if you need me
to stick around longer, I was like, man, I would love to

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because I love all of you. But yeah, it was.
Crazy that a bunch of D&D nerds are like, I'll keep playing,
I'll keep playing. I was particularly excited for
Thwick to leave and leave you 3 just alone in hell and have him
disappear because. These are safety.

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It was the. It was the inverse of Thwicks of
my original prank on Thwick, which was, you know, he depended
on hooks and then hooks dies, wedepend on Thwick and then Thwick
disappears. Kyle was doing a long con
payback. This is.
My you want this comfort character.

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Interesting note in. But it was, it was like actually
sad for me to have him disappearbecause for me he's like the NPC
that's been kind of like coordinating all this and
working with William to come up with it.
And like he like is disappearingat the end, like before he gets
to see what happens, right. And for me that just personally,

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I don't necessarily like there'ssome NPCS you get connected to.
And for him, it was like, oh man, I'm actually sad that he's
going to be sad to not know whatthe.
End of this. Story is like that is a sad
moment where he's put all this effort into it to push you guys
on your way. And that's the magic of DND.
You can be sad about something you decided to do.

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Created. The.
Imagined world of we're going toget an Andor style Thwick
prequel or something, The tragicstory of Thwick, you know,
organizing all this just to not get to see it through.
He's the next BBEG bad guy coming up with his crazy plots

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and schemes. This this episode was so good
with with die and Hugh and it was so cute and also Scott as
die did not expect. I was like Becca and I always
kind of like would chat before each episode be like wonder,
like when it would change over and be like, I wonder who's
going to come up? And we would come up with our
theories and we were like, well it's definitely not going to be

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Diandra and like that group because like Scott would have to
play 2 characters and that wouldprobably be like Card and little
did we know it. Was.
Yeah, your synergy. Wasn't that was definitely
planned beforehand where I was like hey do you want to play 2
characters like you know it was?Like, oh, you can just throw
that at him. It's not the toad.

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It was. I walked out.
It was a lot of the toad you're.Playing Diandra All right,
let's. Do this genuinely would have
been like a little disappointed,selfishly, if you hadn't brought
Diandra back just for like the sake of torturing Hugh alone.
It's just such a funny bit to melike that popped in.
I think I was just talking with Scott one day about how like,

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like I wanted Hugh to have a crush on one of the characters
and just like kind of slightly picked her, like her a little
bit arbitrarily as a joke. And then I was like, no it.
Kind. Of makes sense though, given
like her like her arc, her storyarc and then this is great.
I'm so glad that you guys chose to do it and.
Have the same reason I was nervous to do it like when Kyle

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asked for a second I almost didn't want to do it because I
knew like, well, Becca will haveexpectation like there's there's
there's build up to it, you know, like a hue and Diane or
moment. So it was a little nerve racking
to consider actually having to play it.
Yeah. Totally.
I was just glad you said yes because she was going to be
there regardless. It was either going to be me or
you playing her and. Much better.

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For you so to be. Playing now, I think it works.
Yeah, it worked so well. Like, I think, you know, there's
no, there was nothing in my mindthat I was like, oh, they're
going to have like an actual thing, you know, kind of thing.
It was purely just like puppy love of him falling in love with
the concept of a character who at the end of it learns to love
herself or like to try to love herself.
Because that is something that would be shockingly very like

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impressive to Hugh. Never came up throughout the
rest of the episodes. He should have worked that in
the Hugh's character. Yeah, I really can't let that
die, you know? Never referenced it again.
It's a real dangling thread. I am glad that I did it because
there's so rarely the chance to actually get to use the

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necromancer like wizard class. That would be.
Effective. And just the fact that it was
like, well, this just killed everybody upstairs.
There's so many corpses. Remember, you texted me about
this beforehand because you're like, so like the, like, I can
cast things, but this is how it works.
There are, these are like dead bodies.
I was like, yeah, the entire party upstairs was dead.

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Like, it's a, it's, it's a massacre up there.
There's so many dead bodies. There's so many corpses.
Like the perfect environment forthis necromancer wizard.
You know, just. She's honestly living her best
life in these couple days, yeah.And truly, she was not afraid to
go because she peaked. You know, she's not like the
wig. She's ready to.

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Peek out of here. All she was missing was her bag,
like a holding that you lost. And yeah, like, that's it once
she gets that back, man. Yeah, she found fulfillment with
30 other. Zombies.
Yeah, it's. About raw numbers eventually to
get over someone. Rebound dead guys.

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I do also Speaking of like that beginning part, I have to shout
out the gales because like not only did I just love Goose so
much, so she was hysterical and her reaction to the imp Gale and
the and especially like the imp Gale's grossness towards Namby
was hysterical. Like I could have seriously just

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listened to that like the rest of the time and like Brooke's
reactions as Namby were so perfect.
NEMB. It was so.
I thought it was really Gayle. Yeah, he's.
Probably the most I ever like you Kyle's when you're playing
Gross and Gayle. It's so it's you and your best.

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Form. Complimenting.
Fans love Gandhi on our. Size.
It's just so funny that like he kind of is trying to be better
but like, not. He tries to improve himself for
naked. Oh, OK.
And he's like doing yoga and he apologizes, but then he mentions
her thighs while he's apolog. Like it's just, it's so funny.
And then actual GAIL is like, I'm over here, like stabbing my

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eyes out because he won't stop doing downward dog.
Stuff is so funny. Correct.
Yeah, and also. Right after, like, like that was
kind of a fun juxtaposition for me and Namby's brain because she
had just gone through her whole memory and like we had that nice
little moment with Beatrix. Wait, right.

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That's her name at the beginningbeing like Beatrice being like,
OK, I'll, I'll wait over here. You guys just do your thing.
And then like everyone being really nice to the envy about
her memory being bad and then being like, and this imp is
attracted to you sexually. Yeah, it was a nice.

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Palate cleanser. Yeah.
Yeah, real fucked up place to bein emotionally to then go
upstairs and be like, by the way, choose one of these people,
yes. Yes.
That yes, that was some mental whiplash, man.
Like. It was like super serious.
Sad. Yeah, Resist kind of had a three

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of X chisel lots, you know, human deal makers, I guess
people that he'd made deals within his past that are at this
party and they brought he brought them out in front of you
says I got to kill one to use the portal and get out of here.
So which one's it going to be just resist being a demon just
wanting to cause chaos could tell you guys were good

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characters and making you chooseone of them to kill.
What did you get? How did you what did you guys
think of that? We had think of that encounter.
It's hard to come up with a moral hard to come up with a
moral dilemma encounter. It was fun to come up with and
just the background. I had sent it to Bones and

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Charlie and said, Hey, could youguys help me with this and tell
me, does this seem, you know, good enough?
And it was fun because they bothpicked different people.
Than each other or than us? Than than each other like they
had nobody picked the the woman who had like, you know,

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seemingly killed her husband because he was abusive.
I think you. Found out.
Yeah. Yeah.
Fair. Yeah, but they each of them
picked one of the other guys andand then we're like, oh, it
seems like good to talk about, you know, how what how to how
maybe like some information might be revealed if you probe
for it. But then I was like, OK, I think
it's decently pretty good there.But yeah, I did it.

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Was it difficult to have your characters try and choose one of
these people? I think this whole setup
directly led to Namby's nihilistic as existential crisis
in the. Next episode because.
She literally went from Here's your worst memory.
Your friends are telling you onebad thing doesn't make you a bad

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person. Oh, here's an impossible choice
where the the choice is never going to be good and you're
forced into a bad choice. And it's like, OK, so I have to
make this bad choice, but that doesn't make me bad persons.
But I still don't like doing it.So it's like that fully just led
to that whole thing in the next episode.

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Yeah, yeah, then. You got in that component.
That the spell failed too. And like that, like you kind of
told yourself that it was OK because you could fix it.
And then, yeah. Fix it.
The you guys had a little bit ofan out where you had some NPC
like character like players who could just kind of like make the

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decision almost for your like main characters, which I think
was kind of a a way not around it, but a way to make it a
little bit more palatable for your core characters.
I don't remember which characteractually finally said the final.
Like yes we're killing this person but I feel like.
Die. Die.

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And then and then. Seconded by GAIL.
Yeah, GAIL backed me up like, right away when I was like,
what's really our story? So why don't we just decide?
And we had already kind of decided, really that we'd wanted
the person that ended up gettingit.
And yeah, that was a weird thingonly to play because I felt very
confident that Diandra would be fine with getting rid of
somebody, but not M Tiro. And so I feel like I just didn't

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even play M Tiro in the scene. He might as well not be there
like. Yeah, I think it'd be hard to
like Yeah, I think it resolved though in like the most ideal
way where like the scene played out where we were really like
going through mental turmoil over the decision and like
waffling back and forth and discussing it heavily.

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But then to also have the kind of NPC out was really nice
because it kind of preserved namby M tyro and Hugh a little
bit. And they're like, not that they
not that they came out completely like clean in the
situation, but I think it's niceoverall in the story of things
that they they had that out and kind of were preserved a little

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bit in that way. Like.
A fire, you know, a firing squad.
Oh. Without.
Without the. NPCS.
There, I really don't. Oh yeah, yeah, that one, yeah.
It was already hard for you guys.
You guys were like back and forth whole time and wanted to
make it very clear to you resistwhen he said he would choose
somebody to kill that it. If you guys had not chosen he, I

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was going to roll for every, youknow, one in the room.
So like all of you could be it would have been your 3
characters or GAIL or Diandra orThwick.
I think that was the NPC. So would it have not been the
people up for execution just? And the three people.
That's right. Yeah.
So I knew in my head it was it was 9 choices and I couldn't

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remember I got to six. But yeah, the three choices
would have been part of that. So I mean if it.
Rolls. That means we're fighting it.
Like, yeah. Yeah, you're like.
We're going to have to fight himand probably all.
Yeah. That was the.
Well, here, that was the well, there was a couple of questions
from Mav on here, which was was there an alternative to dooming

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one of the three prisoners? The alternative was he was going
to choose someone randomly in the room and Initiative was
going to start and Resist's one goal was to kill that one
person, which the other questionhe had was, was Resist
defeatable by the party at the time?
I don't think so. I say I don't think so just
because there were six of you plus like a giant horde of

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zombies. So I you know.
My zombies. But he's a CR24.
Yeah, doesn't say. They're pretty high, Yeah.
I really don't. Think it would be?
Him, but I feel like if we were put in that situation knowing he
was targeting one person, I bet we could have combined all
powers just to keep that person alive out of fucking spite.
Like banished them and fucking put.

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Them in a bag of hold them againlike, 'cause they got 10
minutes, like yeah, something. And resist if you guys would
have like been able to do that I.
Just play it out, everybody, everybody.
I think he would have, I think he would have respected that as
like, like he's a demon Lord. Yeah, sure, he's demon chaos,
but I don't think he necessarilywould have been like, you know,

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darn it, I have to kill somebodyelse to go home because did he
really have to kill somebody else to go home?
Probably not. Guys, He's a.
Yeah. No, he's a big fat liar, demon,
devil, whatever. I believe everything that came
out of his mouth. What are you talking about?
He seems so genuine. His Yeah, no, he I think he his

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his opening move would have beencasting darkness and he has true
sight and then he would have multi attacked with his wave of
sorrow blade, which is a + 13 tohit.
You know it's. Like 1 about.
Horse damage and 14 let's. Just do it like I said, come on
me. Yeah, we'll.
Just do it. Just get it going.
I did my dad then. I don't know if I did.

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By the end, I don't think you did.
Then yeah, I don't. Well, if it's, well, if he's got
a reaction where he can interrupt a spell if someone's
casting it 60 feet in front of him, if it's third level or
lower, the spell fails. So we would have negated spell
your counter spell. OK, And then he has legendary
actions where he can use spell casting or teleport.

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This. Sounds so easy.
I don't think. I don't think he would.
Yeah, I don't think. It would next bonus episode.
We're just all getting back. On fighting grizz like.
Without. Fighting.
Resist and. Seeing more fun, someone called.
Me, that story. Yeah, we need a marvel What if
for the Tall Tale Tale Tavern. What if we?
Had fought. Resist.
That. That would be really easy.
I wouldn't have to prep anything, it would just be.

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Some like. Content I would really.
Love that actually like genuinely, I think that would be
really. Cool if you guys had to fight.
Resist. That's the new one.
That's it. That's awesome.
We're there while we're still onthis whole bit like where we
were there any pieces of information that we did not get
from the people up for execution?

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Was there any like secret information that you were still
holding on to by the end? If I remember correctly, I think
that they spelled all of their story and they didn't
necessarily have a list of like secret things to find out to
because because then the point of that was to not have it be

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like this detective thing to find out who the real bad guy
was. They were all kind of like like
like the CEO guy was supposed tobe middle man.
We're ex chisel lots, really theperson who's pushing him to get
all the profits. So he's having to do that to
save his company and family, whatever.
The other guy was just robbing people of and like convincing

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them to give up their valuables for their loved ones who are
dying. It's a funeral service so he
could grave dig up their stuff and pay extras a lot so he could
spend another year with his withhis wife who is dead, you know.
So it's like those were that that's kind of the main thing
with them. So there wasn't like, oh, a
secret detail that this guy was really, really bad.

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That wasn't like part of it. So I think that they pretty much
spilled their stories. All the beans were out.
All the beans. All the beans were spilt.
Those poor beans. But yeah, and then after you
guys left, left the area, left the place, the Extraslots

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castle, went out and fought someorangutan people, the Barguras,
the Barl Guras, the Barl Guras. Every time.
Whenever I use that monster again I'll just really slowly.
Yeah, you just have to. Really slow.
Really lead into it 3. Barl Guras.

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And. The big chasma, kasmi chasm, big
proboscis. Yeah, the.
Big blind thing. Yeah, they came down.
And lowered Namby's hit points. Yeah, yeah.
And you meant to keep. Concentration up even for one
roll on that guy's spell. Hate to see it, you hate to.

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See it rolled under A10 on the 1st concentration tech.
You just hate to see it. But you guys won that encounter
and the the little guards that were there ran off in the
distance and yeah, those cowardly.
Guards. And we said goodbye to GAIL and

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GAIL and Diandra and all of her zombies, I think went away.
Sure, sure. Of course they did.
Good point those. Guys are.
Probably still there. Yeah, they would have even, I
mean, they would have just stoodI think for like 12 hours, been
fine because they don't, they don't go off on their own until
like 24 hours of cast without the spell being cast on them.

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It's fine. That fight like during towards
the end of that fight was the first time it was MTRO that gets
sniped by the yeah. The.
Bounty hunter. The bounty hunter, right?
Yeah, right. The.
Bounty Hunter? Yeah, you got shot by that.
You guys didn't see it yet and it got away invisible.
And yeah, what was that all about?

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That was crazy. Didn't know that.
Didn't find out that episode. But yeah, Then moving on to
episode 16, moving right along, you guys standing on the banks
of the River Styx and the book lit up and you had to throw it
into the water so the portal could open very wide up in the

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air. And the Obsidian Dawn came
through, crashing through onto the River Styx with, I want to
say Zelnada, but it's not Zelnada, Silvara, Silvara.
Who is the Shadekar monk from the Gladiators?

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Gladiators and yeah, and Ryan and Brian, Ryan.
Brian showed up. Brian, Brian as Bick.
I am big big big pentameter. I loved you.
It's. The best?
Sorry to interrupt you, Kyle. It was important.

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In this episode, you guys got onto the Obsidian Dawn.
This. Is when he went full Errol Flynn
mode. Like dashing pirate hero
jumping. Into the.
Mouth. Namby got an accident crisis.
There was a lot of romance stuff.
Like that though, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, this is the one where
Namby and Silvara have their like emotional moment at the

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front. And then there were carrot cakes
that tasted like ash. Like there's there's quite.
A bit Oh that's Russian, can't skip that about oh.
Man, I was so I didn't. I don't know why I didn't like
expect that I didn't think aboutabout Hugh making the treats
right. For some reason.
I just knew that the food and and hell, all tastes bad, tastes

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like ash. And so you were like narrating
and saying I'm baking this perfect thing for Namby to help
her feel better. Oh man, that was so fun.
But it just tasted so awful. I felt so bad telling you that
Nami burst into tears, but I think it was the most realistic
thing for her to. Do with all of the things that

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had just happened. Yeah, yeah, Yep.
Oh my gosh, yeah. Michael asked if like I how mad
I was at you and the answer's livid, livid.
You were like, I don't even get to roll.
You. Don't even get to roll, the food
just is that bad. I think that that is fair karma

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for us bullying him into the pocket casserole.
You know we don't get to roll. This thing just tastes like shit
after we. Told.
You what you say doesn't matter who we're doing this.
What you roll doesn't matter, itsucks.
Yeah, the Yeah, but you guys, yeah, we're on this boat and

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then had to fight the giant Crokek towak with Harley the the
the devil flying around the loving boys.
Yeah. And that massive encounter and
going back to just you brought up Hugh Arrow flying and flying
into the mouth of of the of the Croque ecotoic and rescuing

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Namby in a series of just typical Becca roles.
Just absolutely. Like that was so cool it.
Was just. Incredible.
Like, I mean, I even described it in the moment where I was
like, this is such a bad idea. This is going to, this is going
to backfire so hard. So such, so dumb.
But like. It was true that Hugh.

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Hugh would have done it. You were like, what's?
The .100% would do it. He would have definitely tried.
At least there's no like it was me metagaming, thinking, even
pausing for a second to think about it.
Like he would have just dove in immediately and then the dice
were like good job we this shall.
Work. I've made the mistake so many
times in this campaign to be like, Oh yeah, go ahead and roll

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one extra, you know, roll an extra time.
You roll like 3 that are over 20, you'll get a bad roll this
time, right? And then we'll have some
consequence. And then with Becca, it just
doesn't happen. What we do to tell, like the
listeners during the home campaign, what did it take?
Oh. Yes.
I was absolutely going to treat a.
Story. Got another Croat goat story
from just the home campaign where the party was attacked by

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18 boggles. These piss gobbling grease
characters who were just trying to grapple them and portal them
to the boggle verse is what theywere trying to do.
And so they started attacking Becca's character and they she
just needed to succeed on ADC 11.
But eight of them attacked. It took 8 rolls for me to get

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you to get ADC. Less than 11/8 rolls and your
deck save was like a + 4. Two, it's very low, like it's
just an artificer. It's not anyone who's deck
spaced. So yeah.
But the moment in in the base, in the basement was like and
another one and then and then you real world another one

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attacks. Another one, Scott.
Was saying 1A1A from Superman and I was like I'm getting back
up. It's going to happen.
Just once and finally on the 8thBoggle attack.
That's all you. Need to do Kyle is just throw 8
characters at her every single time and then maybe you'll get

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her to do a throw that. Will and the.
Succeed that your failure on that role was a 10 you know, out
of. Yeah, yeah, you.
That was the lowest role you hadout of those 8 roles and.
We sat down that night to play. Becca pulled out her dice to do
her test roles and Nat twentyed on both of them immediately.
She. Threw rolled one, no Nat 20,

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rolled the other. Oh, Nat 20, that was.
It was crazy. I That hasn't happened since I
think. What did I it was the first
episode of his campaign, right? Truly.
Yeah, so cool. Next.
Round rocked because I did have a plan, which is why Namby was
like, it's OK, trust me, but youdid it anyway and you've got me

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out there so it didn't matter. It's OK, trust her, she's fine
in the belly of the beast. She's fine.
Yeah. No, I loved that, that word
'cause like, I just, I imagine it perfectly as a romance novel.
And even like the cover, you canlike, I can imagine it
perfectly. So I, I, I'm very happy for Hugh
in that movie. Hugh, did you ever get swallowed

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throughout the whole campaign? You're the only one that right
'cause I got swallowed in a comeupcoming one by.
The Yeah coming episode. Yeah, and then Namby got
swallowed by the crooked Kato. Yeah, I don't think anyone tried
to swallow the half troll. That makes sense.
You're a choking hazard. Yeah.
Well, apparently Namby looks delicious in hell, so I guess

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that's just what happens. Every all the food tastes bad,
so I mean the. Harangue got to get a slice of
namby. Yeah.
Yeah, anything. Yeah, so we got.
Well, we haven't even talked about Harley, though.
I'm not. Well, you have questions.
Oh, yes. But yeah, Harley, Yeah, flying

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in. We're just fishing for some
river demons. Yeah.
And flying. Decides that the demons are
rednecks, yeah. The Devils.
He was just like he couldn't getanyones name right and he was
like Mambers and View and like that was so funny.
Yeah, Zombie Polish asked why was the devil person who got

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charmed wearing rainbow sunglasses?
Harley had like, I'm picturing those.
They're they're like those fishermen sunglasses that are
like, the lenses are really likepolychromatic.
So like, that's like, that's what that's what I meant by
rainbow sunglasses. Like the guys you'd like buy at
like a gas station or something.Yeah, is what I was imagining.
Yeah, like usually. They're fancy like you have to

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get like the fancy like UV. Like polarized ones?
Yeah. I guess, yeah.
I don't know if I think of them as fancy, but yeah, I guess.
Yeah, the but yeah, I in coming up with you guys being in the
setting of hell, it was a challenge for me to like figure
out what flavor to assign to devils because I'm like, in my

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head, devils are all the same Before this, I'm like, they're
all just evil, like creepy devils, right?
So I was like, well, they're on a river.
Well, you know, they're going tofight this nasty big river
demon. You know, I guess we'll have
like this swamp fisherman devil as.
You just said he called it a river demon and yet I got
corrected for calling it a demonearlier.

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Less than a minute. Ago no the.
Big thing that we were fishing for was a demon is the demon.
The. Devil.
Harley's the devil. Yeah.
The river wrong I. Know I'm not a wrong.
Wow. Is that big nasty croco?
That demon should never even been in hell.
The whole thing that's. That's why I just say devil
demon every time, because then Ican never be totally wrong.

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Yeah, the first layer of hell isbig battlefield between devils
and demons. The the demons are from the
Abyss and they come into the first layer of Haloverness and
it's just a war-torn place wherethe devils are very regimented.
You know, they have legions and they have order because they are
evil. They're lawful evil because they

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want to control the world. They want to They're evil in
that that they want to control people in the world and devil
demons are just chaotic being. So they just come in and start
ripping things to shreds and arevery unorganized and they're,
you know, attacks because they just want evil as in chaos.

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They just want to destroy. That's kind of the the
difference there. But Avernus like initially the
the plane, the the the main devil that I'm forgetting his
name. What's what's the big dude?
What's the main devil at the 9thlevel I.

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Don't know. Oh, at the ninth level.
Yeah, Asmodeus. What's the Asmodeus?
Yeah, he is. He created the Vernus.
As like paradise, like the one Gold Star.
He, like, created the gold stars, yeah.
Sorry, I'm not sorry, Sorry. Yeah.
So Asmodeus like created a Vernus as this paradise and like

(36:47):
to entice mortals too but eventually get trapped in and it
became eventually this war-torn healthscape of the first layer
as the demons are just trying tocome in there and kill the all
the devils. So that's why they're both.
Devils are rednecks. And all the devils are rednecks.
Well, that Carly's a redneck. His brother Basilstine.

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He's kind of just a metal. Metal head.
Or a, you know, gearhead, you know, he's up in his.
Up at the docks. Up at the docks doing his thing,
working on ships, the Pit Fiend.But that was that was just a
whole lot of fun to for me to have that, have that ridiculous

(37:30):
character be there. And then eventually he's a
perfect character for you, Kyle.But I just, I would have, I
wouldn't know what to do with devils to make them fun either.
Like necessarily, you know, 'cause like you said, you
picture devils as not like as a very evil thing, you know, but

(37:50):
to, to have him come in and justbe that kind of goofy redneck
vibe was very, it made hell a fun place to hang out.
It was fun. Wow.
Entirely so much. I'm thinking about it.
I kind of want to go to hell, guys.
That's what I. Like I was kind of getting kind
of you've been. Corrupted by D&D, they were
right all along. And that was the that battle was

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really fun. Like there were a lot of epic
things that happened during the middle of the battle and then
like the banishment for me to have the whole big thing like
disappear and it didn't work. But then bit came in with the
silvery barbs and then it did work like it was.
So cool and we had a shout out Brooke, you are one of the only

(38:36):
players that I have played with that command has worked like and
consistently. I don't know if it's like a
combination of our home games inthis or if it was in this
campaign primarily, but like youhad a clutch command here and
then in the you're like in the next episode too.

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So like because I've never seen it actually work before.
It's always. Who rolls really poorly on
almost everyone. Deserves a Kyle is really what
it is. I've heard so many creatures
banished and commanded away and all that stuff.
Yeah, Banish. I feel like has worked more
consistently for me than commandeven.

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Like banish was great, Banish wewe ended.
Up on a lot of planes for peoplewhere other.
Things didn't know what I love on.
That plane. I love 2024 updated rules
because banishment no longer does that banish forever and I
know. What does it do now?
People sad. It's not like a permanent thing
if you're from another plane. You say, oh, it's just

(39:39):
temporary. Details, yeah, but it made me
happy because maybe my, maybe mythings aren't going away forever
anymore. But it is a really cool moment
when it happens though. Yeah, that was, that was great.
Yeah, it was very fun. I think there was a question, I
think was that, what was I expecting you guys to fight him,

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Harley. Harley.
Because you guys, you guys didn't end up fighting him in
this one. You guys commanded.
Him to like help right and and convince Baselstein.
Empiro. Or chill.
It wasn't command, it was something else like until.
Charmed. Monster.
End of the No no, this first oneBIC charms him with like a

(40:27):
charm. Charm Monster.
And then at the end of this episode he snaps out of that and
comes to attack us for the next 1.
And that's when. He and you polymorphin.
Yeah. So yeah, it was hilarious to me
because I was absolutely, very much totally expecting guys to
have to fight the Pit Fiend or escape from it or something.

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Like, I just really thought thatthat was going to be part of it
and didn't. End You got us in the end.
Which is yeah, it came back right, but.
Kind of went to all the trouble of learning the pit fiend stat
block. I'm going to We're doing a pit.
Fiend. You will be fighting a pit
fiend. Doesn't work.
It comes back. But the end of that episode with

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with Ryan's character just beingtotally committed to keeping the
ship afloat, you know, being a rock.
Being a. Rock, yeah, flying and keeping
the boat afloat as as long as possible.
You could tell that Ryan was really in the character of like,
no, this character needs this boat to still be OK.

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Yeah, I was, it was great because it yeah, the his captain
was like, I'm in charge. I don't care if there's a horn
devil on the boat. That is that is like just landed
on the boat like he's going to. He doesn't care that he's in
hell or she doesn't care. She's in hell.
Like this is her boat. There's a chain of command on a
boat, you know, And yeah, she's in charge, Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, really, Harley is like lawful evil, so he should
have respected the chain of command on there.
I mean, he was being inappropriate.
And shout out to Ryan too, whilewe're while we're talking about
him, because I think one of my favorite in character like
role-playing moments as Namby was when she just like word

(42:21):
vomited to Ryan's character. And that wouldn't have happened
if Ryan wasn't just like, I wantto talk to Namby and like
instigated that whole conversation.
And I feel like that was a really fun moment to just be
like, Nampi is having a crisis right now of like, what is

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morality and what is right and blah, blah, blah.
And I just, I really enjoyed that moment.
And shout out to Ryan for teeingit up.
Yeah, it was that was a cool moment.
And also shout out to Ryan for this is like a a unique set
situation where I was like, hey,do you want to bring in your
ship from the the campaign? You did you want to bring in the
Obsidian dawn and like you know all the details and all the crew

(43:04):
like you just want to like kind of be in charge of that.
And like he was like, Oh yeah, absolutely.
So it was like this weird thing where it was like not Co DM ING,
but very much like this is his ship that he knows everything
about. And like I had all the details
as well to reference, but just almost as like, you know, it was
fun to be able to to like test that out as like a fun double.

(43:30):
It almost felt like double D Ming, but not really for me.
It was kind of cool. So.
It's almost reminiscent of when Mav was sort of like the head
bitch in charge as Paolo, like down in the dungeon define his
role I. Love that.
When we were in, when we were, you know, in the cyberpunk

(43:52):
world, it felt kind of similar to that for me.
And we were playing like Ryan's,got his own little things going
on, were very much like the captain, like you said,
controlling the ship in that same way that Mav did.
It was less like that with Bones, I think in the Western
world, because he was like, Rickdoesn't talk much, Rick is
mysterious, Rick is just hangingout over here.

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So yeah, those other two DMS hadmore of a like leadership role
within the. And it's not surprising to me at
all that the two DMS jump at theopportunity to be mini DMS like
we've been into the adventure. Yeah, it's almost like that's
what they like to do. It's cool.
And I didn't have that like the for those two things like there

(44:36):
weren't any NP. Well, I guess Ben Biofuel was
around in the Cyberpunk ones, but in this one specifically all
of hell, the rest of the story there's like no NPCS around that
I control that I have any like. Except for the 1000 skeletal.
Yeah, Musk Thouse. Which is really.
The MVP. And.

(44:59):
NPC on like this entire campaign.
The NPC, yeah. And.
I'm hotties is around a good amount, but yeah, it's not like.
And they're Reniers. And other things from this
episode, what have What would have happened if anyone had
ended up in the River Styx? Oh yeah, I do want to know about
that because we we narrowly avoided that by me, just like

(45:21):
Indiana Jonesing a. Raft for us.
Yeah, with Mt row. I have to pull up that rule real
quick actually. Don't you find?
Saving throw because somebody fell, somebody fell in, right?
And we had to. We talked about it.
Or maybe it was. Nobody fell.

(45:41):
Hardly got ate by a fish right before he landed in, but I don't
know if any of us actually went in.
I've done some research on this in the film Hercules though and
I'm pretty sure you just like turned kind of old.
But then as long as. You prove your.
God, you can like, get out and you'll be fine.
Yeah, so as long as you have good self worth and like you're

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selfless. Yeah.
Yeah, side note, while Kyle's looking this up, if I had DM
again, can I be called the head bitch?
In charge instead of DMS. The HBIC.
We'll allow it can and can we also update Kyle's like intro
like name on the scrolling like credits during the intro to be

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head bitch I'll just. Put it under him instead of like
like on the video for his name instead of Kyle.
I'll just try the head bitch in charge.
The DM is head bitch in charge, yes.
Yeah, I genuinely want that for the next time IDM and people.
I'll play all sassy characters too.
So this is the river sticks. This is what happens when you

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fall in the river sticks. You are targeted by the feeble
mind spell, which is a D save DCof 20 Charisma I think.
I think it's a Christmas Intelligence saving throw of a
DC-20. On a failed save, the creatures
intelligence and Charisma scoresbecome one.

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The creature can't cast spells, activate magic items, understand
language, or communicate in any intelligible way.
The creature can, however, identify its friends, follow
them, and even protect them. I would have loved for that to
happen to me and to get to play the rest of the campaign
intelligence. Intelligence more and charisma.

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It's like much worse. I would have great.
Restoration. Just a zombie.
Basically. Wow, I would have hated if that
had happened to Namby. I would.
Have hated Oh my gosh. And like there was that time we
like I sent the Echo after the bounty hunter and Kyle was like,
Oh well, you're going to go intothe river And I was like, what?

(47:54):
I'm so glad that the Echo can fly in any direction and we
didn't have to worry about that.A zombies intelligence is 3.
Wow, Dumber than a zombie you would be.
Just a zombie. Charisma is five.
Yeah, you would have been, Yeah.So.
So don't go into the River Styx.People don't do it.
Evidently, man, that was. Very bad.

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So I tried to make sure that wasvery well communicated to your
character, so it wasn't just like, oh, I'm going to go swim.
OK, great. Oh.
I'm really thirsty. Like when my cupcake didn't turn
out. Maybe if I soak it in this
river. Episode ends.
You guys are floating on a raft that that Mtero has created in

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the middle of the River Styx. Next episode starts.
Yeah, Harley is coming after youin the river, and you a page
lights up. You flink it into the air.
It opens when you hear sleigh bells as Rudolph blasts through
on Santa's sleigh, on which his Dan's character, Karl Kringle,

(48:58):
flying in on the sleigh in his toy bag.
Christopher walks out eventuallyand we have Christmas in hell
and it should be no surprise to anyone that this, this was very
exciting, very exciting for me. Well, that's weird.

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You never talk about Christmas. Yeah.
So I don't, I don't, I don't getthe reference.
Do you like Katie bears enjoy this or something?
I don't get it. Do you like the name Carl real
fast? Before we switch to everyone
loves Carl. Before we switch to Christmas,
can we talk about the bounty hunter real fast and just like?
Definitely need to talk about him.
Because we we killed it in the last episode, right?

(49:40):
Like it doesn't come back anymore.
What up with that bounty hunter,Kyle?
Yeah, what up? What up with him?
What up with him? Yeah, so he was trying to take
Bone Crusher, right? This is the.
Bounty was on Bone Crusher. Yeah, the the bounty was to get
Bone Crusher, so he tags him tier on the first one 'cause

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he's an easier shot to be able to to be able to track you guys.
The Orthon can track you if he hits you.
With I was a homing beacon. Yeah.
And through a betrayed us accidentally.
You gonna? Be the show.
Last time somebody accidentally LED you somewhere, you started a
fight like. You didn't lead me to my death

(50:23):
though, unlike some people. Yeah.
So so so the Orthon was waiting for the battle to get real bad,
and Orthons are bounty hunter hell creatures, hell devils, and
was waiting for the battle to get bad to pop out, try to
paralyze Hugh, grab Bone Crusherand get out of there.
That was his whole goal, which he failed at and then got

(50:47):
dragged back to the ship and murdered.
Yeah, I did. Damn straight he did.
And so the I was. Like I'm going to find that guy.
I'm finding him. I was I.
Was you were yeah, you were absolutely ready for that.
And the Alblix was was contacting contacted him and

(51:07):
contacted the Irenas through their dreams to kind of enlist
their help. And so Orthon it.
You know must have given the Orthon some big reason, some
good. Offer.
Offer to try and get Bone Crusher because the Oblix had

(51:29):
just been slammed on by Bone Crusher a lot so far.
That weapon specifically had done a whole lot to it's and to
all of its plans, and so really wanted to take it, and it really
wanted to take it so that it could give it to River in the
end and make you fight River with Bone.
Crusher in the hand. Getting slammed by Bone Crusher.

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Yeah, And just to skip ahead to the end of this episode, I
thought that was going to for sure happen.
I was like, great. I.
Would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't.
For you. Magic Surge.
I was like, here's a really, youknow, bullshit way of DM ING it
to make it so that I get Bone Crusher.

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You guys are sleeping in the irenies's place.
You didn't think to check to make sure that was a safe or
whatever, blah blah blah. And yes, comes in.
It was very so. Nice, just the.
Whole time, right? True.
Let's like, let's back up here. Hugh has trust issues thanks to
a certain DM and I voiced those very clearly.

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Yes. Yeah, Arena stayed outside of
the tent that night outside of that plane because you guys were
not in the same plane as the Oblix when you're in the in the
the Mahati's. Thing.
Yeah, Mahadi's thing so it couldget to her dreams and offered

(52:53):
her something. That we'll.
But did it offer her? We know.
No, I can't know that. Yeah, can't know.
That. I feel like it's, I don't know,
getting back with Seoul somehow.Angel.
Wings. Well, she's a bond.
She got her wish if it was to goback to Seoul.
Yeah. Yeah, she's.
Sure. Bitch.

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Yeah, the So I was like, great, Hughes asleep.
She uses the whip that like totally restrains him or, you
know, can't do anything and she's going to pick up that Bone
Crusher and leave excellence. And then it's like, oh,
Christopher doesn't sleep because he's an inanimate
object, so he's just sitting there.
Oh, he's doing nothing. He doesn't care.

(53:36):
He didn't, and he would have done nothing too.
He would have only because you pushed.
Him I was like. And then he's disappearing and
I'm like, let's get a wild magicsurge from him.
This is my favorite sequence. This is my favorite sequence.
I did command her to drop it prior to that because I my
passive perception I caught it right?

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So I think I I had also commanded her to drop it
already. I don't, I don't go.
I don't remember the exact sequence of events.
But. It had to, it was a combo
because otherwise she would havebeen banished with it.
Right, it was a combo for sure. Yeah, because he banished.
Yeah, that's right. So.
So, yeah. So he rolls on the wild magic

(54:19):
table and gets the result that he gets an extra turn or he gets
to take a turn, like a full turn.
Great. He has Schmidt on.
Her. And she's she fails on all the
saving throws and all of a sudden that like perfect
scenario I had crafted just didn't happen all because.
I said through your fingers, much like Bone Crusher.

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Becca, what would you have done if Bone Crusher got taken?
I don't even I hate to even imagine.
I mean, there would it would definitely have been a complete
and utter meltdown freak out. Yeah, like probably would have
gone on in animalistic hunt downof every single person in that
encampment in a very like inhumane way.

(55:05):
I don't think that there would have been stopping.
So I guess she probably. Would have died is what it's
sounding. Like I mean, probably, I mean
honestly, like I don't know, like I, I don't think it would
have been. It's not definitely a rational
logical reaction from him because of like that connection
is purely he doesn't care about Bone Crusher from like a weapon

(55:28):
standpoint. It's just a + 1 warhammer really
with like the runes added to it.In the hands of the.
Hughes Neverson. And in the Hands of the Normal.
But like, what? Why it mattered was purely just
because, like, River had createdit and it was like the only
thing he had of her. So, like, I don't, I don't think
it would have ended well, especially since he was already

(55:51):
really, really skeptical and anxious about Mahadi and the
whole situation. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
That was, you know, Speaking of Mahadi and the whole situation,
this is a good time to answer someone.
I think it was Mav had a question somewhere where it was

(56:13):
like near the end kind of, he was asking about bringing in
like real things like Morden, Canaan and the Tower of.
Erm. And so with Mahadi specifically
is a good time to mention kind of my whole approach to this,
the to hell in this end of this story or this adventure at this

(56:36):
point, I wanted it to feel very almost like real.
And so a lot of the locations and things are official 5 E
locations and characters from the descent into a Vernus
supplement. And so Mahadi and the Wandering
Emporium, those are NPC that's an NPC with this whole Emporium
being part of it, his whole tentlocation, that whole restaurant

(57:03):
and like spa area. That's all like kind of quote
real locations. And I've never done it like that
before, but for it was the reason I did it was to make it
feel like, Hey, if you've for anybody who's listened to this
and potentially has played, you know, descended a virgin
Vernessa, read the source book or something, It's like, Oh,

(57:24):
wow, maybe, you know, this wholeoblate situation is affecting
everything, you know, every story, every, you know, mail
real quote. And it feels like we're getting
like the closer we get to the Oblx, the closer we're getting
to like the official, the, the root of it all right, like.
The. D&D source material.
Yeah, that's when it becomes. Official, you know, like in that

(57:47):
same way. That's that's fun.
That's cool. Yeah.
And Becca, you asked, is Mahadi A Rakshasa?
And he is a Rakshasa because he's got the.
Palm. Their hands are flipped.
Backwards. Yeah, and they're actually Tiger
people. Yeah, they're like shape
shifters, right? Yep, yeah, they're shape,
they're shape shifters. Yeah, yeah, if you look at I

(58:10):
think that there's they're like maybe they're like preferred
thing is like that where Tiger look the preferred form.
Yeah, he's a Rakshasa and he reports directly to his Modius
and is respected for that. And that's why he can kind of go
around on the layers of hell, why the pit friends can't

(58:33):
necessarily, you know, go up against him or like Trump him.
And, you know, that Baselstein couldn't just come in and start,
you know, wreaking havoc lookingfor you guys because there are
set rules to this wandering emporium, essentially the rules
being the Mahati's in charge. And that's the, you know, he

(58:53):
makes the rules basically in that area.
But Baselstein's real too. He's a, he's a, he's the actual
dude in charge of the docs. And he, yeah, has that rolling
piece of like coal in his mouth that he chews on.
That's a an official part of hisdeal.

(59:14):
That fits so well for the like. Red, I know.
Vibe. So yeah.
He's. Probably part.
Of the inspiration for his brother Harley.
You know, he's, he's my own creation, you know?
But Harley. Isn't an official source of
material. That's great.
No, he is. He's real in our hearts.
But Mahadi has action where he summons an Arrhenius and he has

(59:38):
an Arrhenius bound to him by an infernal contract.
And so that's also kind of rulesas written, real environment,
real, real 5 E location stuff, so.
So I assume from there it was a pretty easy pick to be like,
well, fallen Angel of soul. Yeah, it's like I was trying to
figure out how to trying to figure out how how the Oblix

(01:00:01):
would convince an Aaron yes to to join right.
And perhaps, you know, perhaps this Aaron yes regretted her
fallen Angel decision. Yeah, I.
Wonder. Perhaps, perhaps.
Yeah, this is a This is a fun one to try and come up with some
non maybe like non combat, not directly combat trying to come

(01:00:26):
up with some different fun things for you guys to do as you
go through hell. So it wasn't just a let's fight
the next big thing. Speaking of official content and
official other types of content,the critical crafting location
the the casino the Lazarus casino time casino is from them
and so Dylan. Who played?

(01:00:47):
Christopher that was one of his one of their monthly releases.
The Lazarus Time Casino is a spaceship that exists out in
wild space and it's this huge big resort like spaceship and
very cool. This was just an outcropping or
an outpost, or. That totally makes.

(01:01:11):
Sense. As well, like I get that being a
sci-fi thing, but also that definitely tracks for hell of
being like we're taking your life.
Yeah. Casino parallel to hell is
pretty easy. Yeah.
I love, I love their this the I love what they created for it
because their reasoning for thistime casino is the bug people

(01:01:32):
that inhabit it. They're like fly people.
Flies only live one day, 24 hours, and so their race has
come up with a way of giving themselves more life and it's by
having people. Gamble away their.
Lives they take some as the house and they.
Can live longer. Which I think is.
Very cool. I I love that.
I think it's like, really cool. Yeah, Dylan was such a chaos

(01:01:56):
monster as Christopher as I would expect nothing else.
And then Dan was so fun as Carl,like even just his intro when he
was. Like no, no, no.
MTRO No, no, no. I know who you all are.
Like it was so. Cute and they.
Were both he? Just bodies Carl so well, like
it's so like even like when theywere like leaving and he ad

(01:02:18):
libbed the whole part about giving us the tall tale Tavern
toy and like the whole his interaction with the dwarf that
worked at as a blacksmith there.Like I loved all of it.
I It was just so perfect. Yeah.
He's like a Christmas person, like not in like the literal
sense, but he's just so like lovely and fun.

(01:02:40):
Like he's just has like super and he embodies it.
I mean that in the best way possible.
Oh man, I I loved when they weretrying to take his reindeer
away. I always think about Dan saying
that. Look, I know you, but I don't
know you. I know this reindeer.

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And the whole war on. Christmas like that?
Was so. Funny.
Oh my gosh, The War on Christmas.
Yeah. It literally makes me so happy
that he came in and inspired this like dwarf that lives in
hell and his. Life is so cute like.
It gives him the Christmas spirit.
Like that's, that's the campaignI want to play in.
You know, I want to be, I want to, I want to do the rest all,

(01:03:22):
all the rest of the stories willhave a Christmas character
that's just cheering people up. Everyone will hate it, hate it
but me, I will. Love it Kyle.
We're doing a one shot inspired by the television series of the
Santa Claus, where we all will. Play the.
No, no. No, I'll play season 2 of that.
See the season 2 plot of that show is incredible where the

(01:03:44):
evil the mad Santa for many years ago that was banished by
the elves when they rose up against him that comes back with
his army of gnomes and it's the gnomes versus the elves.
That's awesome. That's.
ADD. Campaign that's season 2 of the
Santa Claus I don't recommend itbecause it's not good but it
also the second it's Eric Stonestreet and it's very funny

(01:04:06):
the. Second, I don't recommend it
because it's not good, but also I am on record saying it's
incredible. It's the.
Best thing that was ever created.
It's so incredible to me. And.
Me alone. Yeah, meanwhile, Christopher is
over here with his, like, prisontattoos.
Like the energy was so different, Dan.

(01:04:28):
Dan so sweet and Christopher hasgone a terrifying mode over.
Yeah, he's. Just stabbing things.
It. Was very fun for me to talk with
the characters and say, hey, what do you think is going on?
How did Christopher, how did youend up in the bag?
And he's like, well, maybe we had kind of come up with it
together that he had been to hell and he knew Mahati, but

(01:04:51):
always mispronounced his name asmy buddy.
I did think that was a very funny joke.
Yeah, that's how he knew that, hey, you could go to this, this
traveling place and it would be a safe environment.
Or at least like Chris Christopher knew about it.
So when you flew over, it wasn'tjust like, maybe we skipped
that, you know, but. Putting it in the hands of

(01:05:13):
Christopher for us to not. That's.
The riskiest game, but you've. Made.
That was a big damn ball. Yeah, yeah, I did have a plan
for that. If you guys like skipped it, you
get the the world you would havehad to hide from Baselstein and
his, you know, spined devils andthat they would have just been
you guys like running from them and probably fighting him

(01:05:36):
because there's like all of hellwas like searching for you.
So that was my plan. If it really went like, hey,
we're not going to go there. I was like, all right, I have to
have something and plan for this.
Then I shall kill them if they don't go to.
My then they shall all die. But yeah, the Dan as as as Karl

(01:06:00):
Kringle at the end giving givingyou guys the tall tale Tavern
toy that he had made. That was all stuff that he had
come up with beforehand. And yeah, it was just very
sweet, very fun. It was so sweet, just such a
good. Little like story, like it's not
a Mac Guffin because it's not instrumental to the story, but

(01:06:22):
like such a good little like, I'm just going to give this to
you and let you figure out a cool way to use it.
Check off snow globe. Yeah.
Like, yeah, we introduce it. We know it's going to come back
in the third act, although we didn't, Dan didn't know it just.
Right. Yeah, you just planted the seed
and then? Walked away.
Yeah. Do it.
This what you will. Hope something happens with it.

(01:06:43):
Don't forget about it please. There was one question that Mav
had. You got to talk to me about the
exceptions thing. Are there exceptions?
Are there not? Are they illusory?
I think this was in regards to like can you fight and.
Like the rules? Yeah, right.
Can you use magic? Can you fight?
Yeah. Yeah, those, those rules were
Mahadi's rules and he's in charge and so he can break them,

(01:07:05):
basically. That's the exception.
If he deems it exceptional, it is exception.
Yeah, like his Arrhenius can, you know, she's like his police
officer. That's so it was a little, I
think it seemed more like whimsical and like when we're
like recording, it was like a little bit more like, oh,
something bad will like curse you or something if you do it.
No, it's just like the rules andand they're respected because if

(01:07:29):
you're going against Mahadi's rules, you're going against
Asmodeus rules and you really don't want to do that.
That's a bad thing, so. Did you have a stat block for
Mahati if you had taken Bone Crusher and Hugh went on a
murder rampage? Yeah, I mean, he must have a
stat if he's an official like character, right?
You guys could have. I think you guys could have

(01:07:49):
taken him. He's ACR 14.
Maybe you should. No, not at your, maybe not at
your level. Yeah, it would.
Have been maybe? By the end of the campaign.
I think you're saying you absolutely would have.
But I don't know about you guys because I don't know if Emtero
would Co sign murdering everybody in the camp because
both yeah, it was. Mostly Mahati.
Also, Namby would have. I think it would be.

(01:08:13):
Emtero and Namby trying to subdue Hugh if anything, Hulk
style. Yeah, you were the only one who
was like super suspicious of him.
I was like, I don't know, seems nice keeping people nice and
hell like. Rick Shaka Rick Rick Shass's
have one of my favorite abilities in the game.
Probably because they can't be affected or detected by spells

(01:08:37):
of 6th level or lower unless he wishes to be.
So if you want to hit him with aspell, it has to be seven level
or higher, Sixth level or higher, he's.
Just like no. We're not I'm that's not going
to happen. I thought you meant just like
perception, but like literally. Yeah, I thought you meant like
finding like scrying kind of style.
Yeah, it can't be affected by any spell.

(01:08:59):
So what about? Weapons.
What about just? Weapons and then on all other
all other ones, he has advantageagainst saving throws and
magical effects. And so you do a whole lot of
damage. But yeah, yeah, he he's got
some, he's got some pretty good spells, but but yeah, so so

(01:09:20):
yeah, I think you got yeah, I don't think you wouldn't have
been able to take him alone, butmaybe together, who knows by the
end, maybe you could have, But yeah, by the.
End when we had our extra 3 levels of Oath of the Story
keeper of course yeah we. Shot.
Up somewhere for sure. Yeah.

(01:09:41):
Before we go to the next episode, I have I didn't drink a
lot of water during the day, so I'm chugging water and I have to
go to the bathroom. Yes, you can go to the bathroom.
So can we take a? Break No, we're not allowed all.
Right, I'm up. Team up.
Here. OK, we are at the end of the
Christmas episode and. The Christmas episode or the
Christmas episode, you might think of it to Kyle, it's the.

(01:10:02):
Christmas episode? Nope, it's the Christmas
episode. It ends.
Christopher and and Carl have both disappeared and you guys
are in the caravan. You spend some time in the
carrot caravan and are able to make it to the bog as Mahadi had

(01:10:23):
promised you you would be able to do after helping him with
capturing the bone fiend or the bone Devil.
And you guys arrive to the bog and at the bog the Marquis shows
up. The Marquis actually as he is
now shows up. You guys get into the bog, have

(01:10:47):
an encounter where that where Rook shows up on his steed, his
nightmare that he has acquired and in this kind of insane
little trap that that Hugh so drastically fell directly into.
The the, the shift in Hughes trusting, you know, like

(01:11:09):
willingness to believe in peoplebetween episodes of that one.
Shitty role, Yeah, the today's decided and that one was
appropriate and that so. Yeah, as soon as Mav showed up
as the marquee, I knew Rook. I know I knew Bones was going to

(01:11:30):
show up as Rook. Like it was inevitable.
As soon as soon as it happened, I was like, well, the father son
thing is happening. Absolutely.
It's got to happen. I actually, I think there was
some mention to was it Mahadi oror somebody that warned us about
being careful about like the manin black?
Yeah, before we left he mentioned like a rider in black
or something. Yeah, and my, my mind did go to

(01:11:50):
Rook in that moment, but like itwas one of those like, you know,
quick associations and then kindof moved on.
I didn't really process fully that he would come back, but it
was pretty cool. It was, it was very, it was so
fun for me because neither of them knew that there was going
to be another guest on. And so before the episode where
I talked to the guests in a different secret channel in the

(01:12:14):
Discord, brought them both in, they're.
Keeping secrets from me. And me, they, they, they both
join in and they were both like we knew it.
They're like I knew it. I knew that this is going to
happen and that this father son thing was was going to happen.
Very fun for me to keep that a secret from the guests because I

(01:12:38):
get to surprise you guys. I got to surprise you guys with
the guests, but this I was able to actually surprise the guests
this. Time with the guests.
With the guest and it's. Just such a good story hook
it's. It really is.
It was really in the in motion all the way back when we were
when I was talking with Bones about the rooks back story and
the how he was captured into this, you know, we're coming up

(01:13:04):
with this prison. And in my head I was like, OK,
what about this prison? What if it was kind of like, you
know, Chronicles of Riddick where when where Vin Diesel goes
that prison where it's just kindof like a hole in the ground.
And I was like, oh, it's the portal.
What if they call it the portal to hell?
They're going to be ending up inhell at the end of this
campaign. What if Rook, instead of going
up and out this time, went down and out and ended up in hell?

(01:13:28):
And so just very excited. So if you listen back to those
episodes, I really am pointedly saying that this prison that he
came from was the poor, you know, a portal to hell.
Portal to hell, you know. The doorway to hell or whatever.
And that was in reference to himeventually showing back up again
with with with the marquee. Very, very fun to I was yeah,

(01:13:53):
excited for that. And just in general, the role
play in that episode, very realistic, very just great.
It was they they both are, they're excellent role players.
And it was. Oh, I thought you meant us going
Cherise. What a lovely day we.

(01:14:13):
Are. So natural.
Wow. Have you ever heard such a great
name? I haven't.
How did you guys hear that? That's so interesting.
We turn into the worst, like teenage gossips or something.
You know, like I love really going full true amper.
And yes, yeah, yeah. Just the whole archive vibe,

(01:14:35):
yeah. I loved Bones calling us out for
it and being like, I'm taking this as how you guys are saying
this and this is how I reacting.I mean, that's how I imagine.
I imagine well, M2, I guess would be probably good at like,
you know, the making it more natural.
But I don't like Namby and Hugh would definitely be like, Oh my
goodness, what happened? Well, this is totally great

(01:15:00):
information that we're all learning at the same time.
Mavid asked. If you had to pull a guest from
the Tall Tale Tavern cast members to play Cherise in a
surprise cameo moment, who wouldyou pull?
I. I have my answer.
Who? Who is your what?
Who's your answer? Who?
Is Celia. Yeah.

(01:15:21):
Perfect. Scott's away.
I feel like she has the sass because like, there's no way
Rook is marrying someone who's like, I'm just a beautiful,
lovely woman who does every sky.Like.
Yeah, Celia has the sass to likecall him out on things and that
would be fun. And also then Bones could go my
wife. Which is really.

(01:15:45):
What makes it? Worth it, Yeah.
And then you have to fight him to the death.
And I would watch and I would find that entertaining.
And so it's a win. Win.
That's true. Bonus.
Content, yeah. That was this, this was I I put
this was fun because it was a we're we smashed back into
western for an episode. You know, the this bog area

(01:16:09):
that's sort of like the Lord of the Rings air bog that they go
through and there's all these like kind of souls and nastiness
around. That's kind of like what the
vibe was, but it was just dead demon icore just pulled pools of
nasty icore and and dead devil stuff.
We brought back the Wild West and the icore, you know, like it
really connected all the past. Really tied up.

(01:16:32):
Really. Yeah.
The different threads then. Got it gave me a chance to bring
bring a gorgon back. But a a gorgon from the new
Monster Manual, that is a brazengorgon that it can swallow
people up and burn them alive. And that was an incredible

(01:16:53):
moment at the. End with them.
Tiro just getting just, you know, Matador, Matador is that
what they what those? Guys are called.
I think so. Just basically whipping up
through it and riding on top of the Gorgon at the end.
That was such a fun end of that encounter.
I just loved being able to cast the spell where it was like it's

(01:17:14):
technically all I can see is it,so I should be able to cast a
spell on the creature that I cansee, right?
Like to charm it so. Lovely.
But yeah, just a a a fun Western.
I just, I had this image of my brain this entire time of, of
you guys riding horses through hell.

(01:17:36):
And some of those horses are reindeer.
One of them is Rudolph just. That's the image that I love the
most is like Marquis trying to do the like race his old man on
a horse moment, but he's riding a fucking reindeer and his dad's
on like the most impressive hellstallion of lore.
You know the. Nightmare and the nightmare that

(01:17:57):
is Crumb 1. Yeah.
Yeah, Crumb. One when when bones is was was
like you're a book, by the way, just like I.
Feel like they tell you that. Like, yeah, like they didn't
know they were father and son, but him just being like, son,
you're a book, by the way, like just like fully putting him

(01:18:18):
down. And like, you're not nothing.
You're not, you're nothing. You're a book.
Oh man, and then one of Bones questions was just a shout out
to Bones for being such a good partner on this one we were able
to do. One of laughs.
Questions. Because that would make bones
sound, really. Conceived.
That what did I say? You said one of Bones questions
was shout out to Bones. Shout out to myself.

(01:18:42):
Shout out to myself, yeah. Leave it out with that yeah said
shout out to Bones deliver out athey were you were able to
deliver a lot of character development on 2 notorious
rogues in record time yes so youguys did great and very fun end
of that episode was you guys pretty easily vanquishing the

(01:19:06):
chain devil and and activating the the magic sword that kind of
dissipated the demon eye core sothat you could go through this
area where the I core had rottedaway through the layers of hell
so that you could fly in and down to the fifth layer of hell

(01:19:28):
in stigia. And so so we enter into stigia.
Your characters end up in The Cave and the page lights up and
flips to the ceiling where we get to see the floor, the the
the sky and the the the massive audience right there from the
Gladiant Theater tournament herethe the the rock music play as

(01:19:54):
the the the column. I love that song.
I. Know you do I?
Love it. The column falls and Hazar
Vinditka, instead of getting squished by it, falls into the
portal. Maybe that's what happened the
whole time, you know? Yeah, maybe that's absolutely
you. Just went to hell.

(01:20:14):
Yep. So instead of getting squished
by the column, Hazarvinditka joins and Fallout joins the crew
for this episode. I love it.
I'm thrilled for Fallout becauseI know that he, he's told me so
many times that he wished he could have kept playing through
the tournament and finished thatcharacter.

(01:20:35):
He really loved being Hazar, so it was quite a fulfilling moment
for me when he came through thathole that he finally got that
chance to really, he got off better than most people in the
Gladion Theater tournament. By the end he got his wish
granted and got to see it through much more positive way.

(01:20:55):
Then everybody else, everyone else died, bought to die.
Yeah, yeah, he I really liked his character for gladiators
too. And he he was one of the few
characters that I knew his wish when he cuz he like told him me
his character is just like this evil oath breaker paladin who
wants to kill all the gods. That's like what he wants, what

(01:21:17):
his desire is. So I was like, oh crap, what if
he wins and he asks the genie tokill all the gods?
How do I manage that that and and that was, you know, my
thinking way back in the gladiator tournament.
And then when he couldn't make the the second episode, I was
like, oh man, that that would have been really fun Because I
think his character just as build in general, had a decent

(01:21:39):
chance of making it far because he had like the ability to to
cast darkness and could kind of like stay away from the action
for a lot of it. Like Bones's character and
Gladiator's like turned invisible and just chilled for a
bit. And that was a really like smart
move. I don't know if how Fallout
would have played it, but. Smart or cowardly is my

(01:22:00):
question. Cowardly.
Cowardly. Pathetic.
Impathetic. Some are saying.
Yes, some are saying. I'm just posing the question.
Just asking questions. She's not saying that Bones is a
little bitch. She's just asking.
She's asking. The.
Question. Certainly not the head bitch in

(01:22:21):
charge, I'll tell you that. Yeah, she has not earned that
with that behavior. But I was really excited to
invite him back and I was ecstatic that he could that,
that he could come back and playas Hazar.
Just this guy was like, Yep, let's kill a God.
And it was great because I was like, hey, there's a really
powerful being that they're trying to fight.
It's basically a God. I think your character would

(01:22:42):
want to kill it. And he's like, Yep, you're
right. He would, he'd be down for that.
So simple, awesome, great. Don't have to worry about the
motivations that was part. Of it very logical.
It was bringing all these characters in, and it's like
you're thinking about the character motivations, like
what's motivating Rook to help? What motivates the marquee to

(01:23:02):
actually help with this? You know, he probably doesn't
act like there's a little bit oflet's just make it so kind of
writing in. There, Well, you were obviously
going for like a thematic connection to the coldness of
hell and the coldness of the character himself, you know, So
I. I assume.
That's. Why you brought Hazar?
In not that I'm only just thinking of my own character,

(01:23:24):
but I do think that there was a little something with the
marquee being like that. that Lady, there's a statue of her in
my town. I'm going to follow her, yeah.
Yeah. Where's that?
That made a lot of sense to me and I did love that element.
We didn't even touch on that. But no we.
Didn't I forgot about it too? Yeah, until we brought.
Up. Yeah, loved that.

(01:23:44):
That was, yeah. I really wanted that to like
stick in that world of like thislegend of this harangan that
had, you know, cured the Crimsonor the other the Crimson.
How's it feel? You know you've probably like
started holy wars namby. Not like.
Obviously. Learning that I was like, I

(01:24:06):
don't know how me, Brooke and Namby, I don't think know how to
react to this because this was not a thing I'm proud of.
You know we're out of character,I.
Can't wait. I can't wait to go back to the
western world and play as a cleric of Namby.
Yeah, that'll be good. That's.
My next. Class, you've been like that.

(01:24:28):
Oh, I would OK, that I would love.
That would be great. Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I know Namby. Was like, this is terrible.
I did a terrible thing and they built a statue about it.
This is terrible. When clerics of Namby wear big
fuzzy sweaters too, that's like one of the mandatory thing.
Is yeah, they have. To.
All cozy. I'll be a cleric of Namby.

(01:24:50):
Great. I know that GAIL would like to
channel that divinity. We're.
Gonna have a really weird episode.
It's going to be Goose and GAIL back.
That's great. But yeah, so you guys are in in
hell. You see the tower of Urm?

(01:25:11):
This is a real tower from the Avernus.
This is real actually guys you can find.
It's the kind. Kyle, right?
Now the hollow Earth theory is real.
If we dig in, we will find the Tower of Urm You.
Can go there, you can see it. Tower of Urm usually is in the
first layer of hell but there isthe boiling lake of blood and it
is Morton Kanan who is kind of this like neutral wizard just

(01:25:34):
wants to like learn about the universe and so he teleports his
entire tower places and the albex killed him and took the
tower for itself and is sitting in the fifth layer of hell where
it thinks it's mostly protected.It has the Oxophilians army of
of. Deoxophilian.

(01:25:56):
The. Fucker, the fact that the Oblix,
just like Cash killed Morton Kanan was terrified.
Yeah. Like I was like, oh okay, just
one of the most famous mages. But The thing is, is that the, I
mean, Kyle, correct me if I'm wrong, but like the Oblix
doesn't like kill things directly, right?

(01:26:17):
Like it basically gets them to like go do something else or
whatever. Yeah, Oblix mostly wants to hurt
to its. Gold Online bullied Morden
Cadence so he got an disorder. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, the Oblex's main real
modus operandi is to change people's memories so it can eat

(01:26:40):
them again and gain more power. And the way it changes reality
is by changing their memories and because it's directly
connected to the Shard of reality, can change reality by
changing those memories and prefers really to make it, you
know, the, the person. If the person changes the
memory, then it sticks better. And so that's why you guys get

(01:27:00):
choices to choose changing your memory or not.
It's the classic Matrix dilemma where you have to offer a
choice, you know, otherwise people reject the system more
obviously. It's the same thing the
architect went through in Matrix.
Exactly. I got you a word that you're
like, oh man, you know, exhausting.

(01:27:22):
So maybe he went into Morton Kinden's past and bullied him
online. So he kind of sucked his image
by the end and. I got to say, you brought up the
tower teleporting around to likelearn about shit.
I got to put an L unit in that tower.
I got. To get the one of the.
S. L10 family members in there.
Oh evil L unit. But the big you saw the big army

(01:27:48):
in front of you and you walked out, and we're talking about it.
And the aforementioned 1000 skeletons.
Which is something. Like that moment?
Correctly of so much re listening to it because like
Brooke just keeps going like it's like Kyle being weird or
something. And that's like.
Wait, hold on. There's a guy hold.

(01:28:11):
On dude. I feel.
Like. All of us.
There was a chance that it was just you being weird.
Doing stuff, yeah, but Nope, there was an ice devil there, an
ice devil They're they're one ofthe higher level devils.
They're like S11. But he was just kind of pissed

(01:28:32):
off about this tower being thereand all the skeletons and his in
his ice plane, you know, that helikes to live at.
So he was down to down to clown down to figure out how to kill
these guys and just told you guys, hey, bring it to the
mountain. I'll take care of it.
And then you guys needed to comeup with a distraction and you

(01:28:52):
guys came up with a beautiful. Our best plan our.
Best plan ever. Exactly.
Perfectly too. Honestly, yeah.
Rare, rare instance. Yeah.
Yeah, it really was turning you into the, into the T Rex going
AF, you know, leading the army away.
The DC for that. I could pull up the, this, the,

(01:29:13):
the little encounter for it. But Oh my gosh, it's right there
in my notes. I, I pulled it up and it's
literally right in front of me. The the DC was basically what
you hit was how many skeletons you could attract away and
distract away and then eventually have to fight that
big horde of skeletons as a group.

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And so I had a big army stat block for them as well.
So it wasn't like 100 individualskeletons.
It was fun trying to figure out what a swarm creature would be
for an army of skeletons. Their attacks were kind of
ridiculous. Like I think it was an aerial
area of effect for their like them all firing crossbows in

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like a 30 foot radius area and you'd have to make a deck save
to avoid a bunch of damage but. Bambi shoved Hugh's foot in the
correct direction to get him to go there right away at some
point I remember with her fancy footwork.
Oh. Yeah, and then it was great
'cause I knew that, Brooke, I knew that you were going to be

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able to use your Channel Divinity and we.
All knew it all. Knew it?
What words? Did I say?
I said, Kyle, you know what I want to do, and I was correct.
Yes. And it was a beautiful because
they were all just little, you know, skeletons and got blasted
away and you guys pretty handilydefeated that army pretty

(01:30:43):
easily. Did I?
Beat the amount of health that Becca has done on a crit.
That's what I want to know. Probably not, right?
I doubt, probably not with the leg in the AI.
World the leg, the leg thingy. Was like, I don't know, 6
billion HP, I don't know what the fuck she did.
The problem with the The problemwith the leg thing was it was
like the. Max fall damage.

(01:31:05):
Was like you guys were swarm creatures at that point and so
it was like a swarm attack. But that's technically the most
3. Times I forget.
I guess I was thinking out of swarm because swarm is kind of
its own thing. Yeah, swarms don't count.
We all know that for the records.
I mean, I'm only one. Person.
Nammy's only one little girl, and she did that all by herself.

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Just trying. To think I don't remember what
that other leg attack was. The other leg attack was insane
too. Yeah, the other leg attack was a
crit on a maximum fall. Like 164 or something like that,
like one 100 something because. I know there was.
A question. About.
What was the least 2? I think it was at least two
damage. I.

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Think I feel like that might be pushing it though.
Who's really who's really done the most damage throughout the
campaign? Every time Imperial creates a
life, it dies 24 hours later. So who's killed the most?
You killed that damage? Yeah.
We're counting all of my animated objects that just get

(01:32:06):
left behind. How are your zombies that you
created? Too.
Think about those zombies guys. Oh my God.
Zombies are pretty right. I'm thinking about it, you
murderer. Cool, but the skeleton army
dies, the Oxophilian comes out and does his little ridiculous

(01:32:27):
little speech and raises the bone guard up and.
Can I raise a question here? Yes.
Why? Was it?
Why was it the Oxophilian and not the professor?
The So what happened in real reality was.
In real reality. Yeah, real.
Reality, the real villain is. Academia.

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Academia. Are we playing around?
Why? Was Namby's professor not here?
To be beat. Yeah, well, the the in the in
the in the in your in Namby's true story.
She doesn't go on that trip, right.
But River dies there, and the Oxophilian takes her.
Because the professor's a littlebitch like bones.

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I'm sorry. Continue.
Yeah. And so the Oxophilian has her
bones and uses her bones for a couple of years until the bone
guard finally recover the bones and get them back to Hugh and
his family. Because because River was gone
for two years without hearing back.
And then they said, hey, they she died like pretty close to

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immediately. We just didn't recover.
Is that is that why it took so long to recover hers?
Because of him. Yeah, he was using.
Oh, I didn't put that together. Yeah, so he had was using the
bone guard bones as part of his army.
And so so things that reality was changed by the end of this
campaign because the AL Blacks recruited the Oxophilian to

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join, join up with him and guardhis tower and share his power,
blah blah, whatever he promised to the Oxophilian.
And so he had those bones and Scott and Namby Scott and
Brooke, what were your what was your reaction?
I mean, was that like, were you shocked to see that happen?

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Because I know Becca was at least prepped for this.
Becca. I this was too much for me to
want to spring on a carrier on aplayer and say, hey, like your
character's going to have to fight the dead, the bones of
your dead sister. Like that was too much for me to
want to not prep somebody on. But but yeah, it was.

(01:34:38):
I think my thought, not knowing that Becca was prepped, my
thought was just like, Becca's going to be pissed.
But yeah. I think my thought was as soon
as we knew, because I think we saw Theoxophilian first and then
the army. And as soon as I I saw
Theoxophilian, I was like, oh shit, Revere's going to be here

(01:35:01):
like that. That whole group's going to be
here. And then I was like, it's going
down. But yeah, I did not expect him
to show up necessarily. Yeah, Becca, how did that feel,
that whole encounter? Was that something that you
felt, you know, just prepared for and was, you know, easy or,

(01:35:22):
you know, I guess? I mean, you reached out to me.
It was like a while in advance. Like I want to say it was like 6
weeks or more before we recordedthat episode.
So like I kind of I didn't know when it was going to happen
because you didn't tell me like last episode kind of thing.
You just said that like at some point this is going to happen

(01:35:44):
at. Some point I will be exhuming
your sister's corpse. Using it to manipulate you.
So I felt like it was I think itwas very good that we had that
conversation in advance. I don't know if it honestly like
would have totally fazed me as much just because I have had
like is some other campaigns where like not that exact

(01:36:08):
situation where but like my own players dead corpse used against
me. So like I so but I feel like
100% think that that conversation should have
happened and I appreciated that it happened it even though we
talked about it in advance, My head like all of the blood
rushed to my head during it and like it had that buzzing moment

(01:36:30):
and you were like even asked me.You were like, what is Hugh
feeling like in that moment? I was like probably pretty
similar to how I'm feeling, which is like pretty shell
shocked. Like even knowing it's coming,
your stomach kind of drops. It was, I think it was the a
very cool thing that the story kind of lent itself to that I

(01:36:51):
don't necessarily recommend other people pull on their
players because this worked, because I think of the
particulars of like this campaign and the trust between
like us and the DM and vice versa and like the respect going
on there. And I think it could be bad in
the wrong hands, I will say. But yeah, it was like an

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incredibly powerful moment. And then I love greatly
appreciated the dice supporting the power of that moment.
Even at one point I remember Namby tried to hit her with the
with her spiritual weapon and itdidn't work.
And I was just like, well, yeah,Namby's not going to want to hit
River. Like it all kind of like story
wise worked of like oh God, thisis River.

(01:37:34):
Yeah. I guess I was mostly just
feeling livid that we were referencing Brooke's solo
adventure, but the Queen didn't get brought back as a for this
encounter. The bones of the.
I think you should have had a zombie.
The Queen for us to. Fight.
The. Queen is in every campaign and

(01:37:56):
every encounter in our hearts. The Queen is come out and arrest
you and take you to the Queen. There we.
Go. If it had been half skeletons,
half bully wugs, don't you thinkyou would have been pretty happy
with that? Oh my gosh, I'd be like, what is
happening? They're going to get frostbite.
That's great. Yeah, I I thought that the end

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of this episode was incredibly meaningful and it was heartfelt.
And I just, you know, I, I will continue to compliment you all
on your role play because this campaign just just was very
meaningful and heartfelt and I just truly have felt so
connected to your characters throughout it.

(01:38:38):
And the end of the Oxophilian was great.
You just smashed his face in andhe had really no chance.
And it was excellent how that happened.
And then before you could even react to anything, Harley shows
up and proclaims that he finallyhas caught up to you guys, wants

(01:39:01):
to to wants your apology but doesn't want to accept it.
And then because he's a devil and he's not really a forgiving
type, and then reveals that he threw his brother under the bus
so that he can get a promotion and gets promoted to pit fiend.
And you guys fight a pit fiend. And in that moment, with Hazar

(01:39:24):
being down Hazar, a new page gets activated and you press it
into Hazar and he becomes himself, but a different
version, a different version of the story where he wins the
Gladiant Theatre tournament and and Rs the genie cannot grant
him the wish that he can kill all the gods, but he can give

(01:39:46):
Hazar the power to do it himself.
And Hazar becomes a level 20 to help you guys and hurt you guys
a little bit because he's an oath breaker.
And some of his stuff wasn't necessarily, you know, his aura
of hate and whatnot was, you know, some damage you took a
little bit of yourselves as he fought the Pit Fiend.

(01:40:06):
And you guys helped him fight the Pit Fiend, Really.
I was really worried that you were going to pull some
shenanigans and be like souls gone odds.
Are good souls gone? Oh yeah, just.
What are you saying to drop? In the penultimate episode, by
the way, Mandy, your God is dead.
For a half second I was like, Ohmy God, am I going to not have

(01:40:28):
any powers in the last episode like I was?
Really rude for. 1/2 second. Yeah, that was that was that
encounter was awesome because I didn't really truly know how it
would go. And also managing a level 20
character is is ridiculous. Well, turns out we needed him
because he carried the shit out of that fight.

(01:40:48):
We all failed everything. We're a.
Little emotionally distraught. Yeah, there's a lot going on.
Who could blame him? Yeah, we had a we had a big day.
It was a hard time. But you end up killing him.
I thought that Harley would at least escape after he took a
bunch of damage. He would just fly off and then I
think he got one, had an opportunity attack on him like

(01:41:11):
he was just trying to, he was going to fly away and hurl A
fireball at you guys as on his way out.
What's his plan? And instead of disengaging, and
he very clearly should have disengaged because he got
wrecked and and killed and Harley met his end by falling
yet into another. Who are you sad or about dying?

(01:41:33):
Harley or Thwick? All right, which one in your
heart do you? I wanted.
Harley to die Wanted Harley to die.
But he's so great. Was it?
Was it Fallout's character that got the last hit on that one?
I don't remember. I have to imagine so.

(01:41:53):
But I feel like I probably was right.
Yeah. I just thought he did such a
good job of, like, I feel like alot of people like to write
those, like, stoic, badass characters, but then when you go
to role play them, you're like, well, this is boring.
But he did such a good job of, like, making it funny when he
would, like, say certain things and, like, being actually, like,
gruff and like, yeah, I know youguys are talking about this.

(01:42:16):
I'm not stupid. Like you know it.
Was just it. Was very funny, like he didn't
say a lot. Yeah, he didn't say a lot, but
what he said really hit. It was funny.
I agree 100%. Even like his little like smile
when he's like going into when he when he's going into combat
and he smiles or whatever to himself in that moment.

(01:42:40):
Yeah. Like just little sprinkles on
the flavour on there that I think really landed perfectly
for his arm. Yeah.
And the episode ends, and we go to the finale episode of the
campaign. The book is gone.
No more. No more help.

(01:43:00):
From many. Characters, at least to the
beginning, right? And or.
Or. Will there be help?
Or will there be? And we get to the finale, and
the finale starts with, yeah, just incredibly heartfelt moment
with Hugh taking the time to bury not just River's bones, but

(01:43:23):
the entire bone guards bones andmoments that I had to feel I had
to interrupt and be like, you might freeze to death too, so.
Just like. Just so you know, like you
might, you might freeze to death.
Which helped attention, I think.I know Becca was very worried
about this moment and feeling tolike all the attentions on my
character. But like it had been, it had

(01:43:45):
been built up to like it was River and like we had all spent
time with River and we all felt a lot for this character outside
of your story. Like you're the one who came up
with her. But like, we all had an
investment in her and it was nottoo much like we needed to spend
time closing that circle and spending that time on that
story. And I thought it was really

(01:44:05):
good. I really enjoyed that sad
beginning to that episode because then you know what, we
can it's only up from there. Only up from there.
Only up from crippling despair. I don't even think of it as that
sad or despairing of a moment really.
It's, it's, it's Hugh's like final, coming to terms with

(01:44:27):
himself moment. In a way it's very, I mean it is
sad, but it's more triumphant inin a way than despairing to me.
You know, it's saying by I can't, like you said, I can't
keep doing this. You know this is your official
moving on moment in a way which is only a positive thing, a
great way to a great foot forward into the final battle in

(01:44:50):
my opinion. Yes, it's sad what happened, but
you did a good job of voicing like, I need to move on from
this and this is me moving on. And I thought you did a really
good job of doing that. And you, I mean, I've played a
lot of DND with you and you really hone in on your
characters and you really feel your characters.
And that is very evident. Like you, you were feeling in

(01:45:11):
that moment, which I think is why you were feeling stressed
about it. But like, it was a really good
moment and you expressed it incredibly well in a way that I
think a lot of people will resonate with.
Thank you. Yeah, I was.
My heart was like beating 1000 beats per minute.
I was so like in my blood was rushing in my ears, like tears

(01:45:33):
were constantly streaming down my face during it because I
talked to a little bit. I wanted to like run it by Kyle.
And I know I talked to you too about it in advance of just
like, because I would have felt kind of weird, just like going
into the moment without being like, hey, are you guys cool
with me taking this moment for like Hugh and River?

(01:45:54):
It would have been weird to be like, OK, let's go like that
would have been weird, like. Well, this is Dad and we'll
never talk about it again. But yeah, like, I think I'm
proud with of how it turned out because I, I had a couple things
like that, like touch points that I, I wanted to include if

(01:46:15):
possible. But otherwise it didn't really
think through in advance what I was going to say or, or how that
was going to progress because I wanted there to be anxiety, if
that makes sense. Like I think that there is, it
feels more natural and it feels more true to like not plan that
out because I didn't want it to feel red in that moment instead

(01:46:36):
of actually like feeling with Hugh because I, I do adore Hugh
is probably not probably he is the my favorite character that I
have played and felt like the most connected to and his back
story and his progression. And it was really special to me.
So I really appreciated getting the time to kind of like let him

(01:46:58):
start that healing and, and acknowledging kind of moving on
and, and processing that grief while also acknowledging that
it's never actually going to go away.
But you just have to figure out what your new normal is and that
new healthy. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it was just just great when I get to enjoy watching the

(01:47:22):
show as it's happening live, youknow, watching your characters
do what they're doing as it's happening and just get to enjoy
your character progressions. You know, I it's I get, I get
very I get connected. I got connected to all of your
characters here and this the, this moment in front of the
tower was, was just very special.

(01:47:43):
All the little details of like, hey, material, like the the
fire, it's great. But like we just, if you could,
you know, you know, river like hates fire.
So like, just like just that, like little details of hue, like
being worried about that in the moment for for Hugh, for Rivers
bones, the details of bringing out the Tavern that that Karl

(01:48:03):
Kringle had made and turning thelight on and her grave and and
having that moment where you canbury her and move on.
Just I think this this finale episode as a whole was just like
when I when I was putting the music to it after like, you

(01:48:25):
know, putting the music to it, listening to it just as a whole.
This is what a what an incredible end to the campaign
just as a whole. And part of a big reason for
that, I think is just this beginning moment that was so
special for for Hugh, but for all the characters and for me is
the DM, you know, it's just something that was very, very

(01:48:48):
cool. And so you guys stand outside
the tower and see the Oblix likepeering over, you know, watching
you. And then you guys enter into the
tower of erm and walk into some unique, some unique
environments, some unique illusions as you traverse up the

(01:49:09):
up the tower. And the first one being the
Zoonopia Zoo, Esteteron Zoo in full function with Claiborne
being a loving zookeeper, you know, that has joined and helped
with the success of the zoo. And then the the illusion kind
of goes away and you guys went up through these different

(01:49:31):
environments where the Oblix wasattempting to show you kind of
like a version of reality that could be real, you know, could
be real, could be something thatthat could happen if you joined
him and helped him craft to thisnew reality and become the
authors of reality is what he eventually was wanting to to

(01:49:57):
recruit you for. Yeah.
My favorite, right? Before that, that Becca did the
thing that she always does and rolls the most appropriate
character for the particular. And you rolled River before we
went into the tower? Right.
That whole getting ready like togo in scene.
I, I loved that how like the sequence of those things cause

(01:50:20):
like rolling, manifesting that role to get river #80 on the
table, the very last echo role and then Scott's weaving in
those two spells. Like casting in US kind of
basically deciding that like, you know, the ooze just doesn't

(01:50:40):
get it. Like the Oblix just doesn't get
it. And we like almost like kind of
pitied how like, you know, ignorant of the realities of
these things. It actually is.
And then getting the fire on Bone Crusher too, so that then
later you could cast the whole weapon on it and get the radiant
on it too. Chef's kiss.

(01:51:00):
One of my favorite battle getting ready scenes I did.
That was awesome. Role-playing, that's something I
want to get better at that Scottdoes very well, which is like
describing how you cast a spell and like what components you use
and like how you like reach out to other physical things in the
environment. Like I'm always just like I cast

(01:51:20):
a spell and I like, forget to think about like what that
means. But you're like, I take off my
gloves and I hold your hands andI cast magic circle.
Yeah, at first I was like, it's such a sweet moment.
Like he takes his gloves off forlike the second time in this
campaign. The first one was like you kind
of forcing it on him a little bit, and then so a sweet moment,
then you just slip the spelling.Yeah.

(01:51:40):
Well, those are those are because before we start, I was
like, OK, these are the things Ineed to do before we go.
And it's literally just that I Isaid whatever things I needed to
say and then I was like, oh shit, I need to find a way to
like do the spell. That's literally.
A really good. 2nd. Decision of I can work the
spelling right now real quick. Before we move on.
And I give everybody burning inspirations and we're good,

(01:52:02):
yeah. I've got my checklist done
before Kyle can introduce any enemies.
Let's move on. Hey Kyle is a stutter on is that
a character from something it's it keeps like the name keeps
triggering in the back of my mind but I can't figure out it's
from. Zoonopia the first episode, the
first adventure so he is the thestutter on zoo is the zoo that.

(01:52:24):
They're. Oh, is the actual name of it in
there already? Yeah.
So he there's a big statue of him, the Minotaur in the middle
of it. He's the catcher.
He's an original character. The statue that the goats
hanging from, probably at the beginning.
Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah.
So. I'm sorry I haven't so Cleburne
listened to this podcast. Ever.

(01:52:45):
Yeah, No. Wait, these stories are real?
Wait, all these stories are. Real.
There are other episodes that I'm not in.
That's so funny. Yeah, Claiborne kills Esteteron
and takes a zoo from him so that.
He can just use. It to hunt, use it to hunt the
bring people to and hunt them asa new.

(01:53:07):
Challenge because he's. Haunted.
I've haunted all these creaturesacross the world, blah blah
blah. But yeah, it was, it was fun for
me to try and come up with all these like what what would be
like the ideal reality of some of these, you know, and the
reactions you guys had cracked me up where it's like, oh, the
company is actually a good company from.

(01:53:30):
From the acquisitions of. Aquatica.
You guys are like, that's the most unbelievable you.
Know my favorite one to see was the the glimpse of Natalie's bug
world just as like for the same reason I I love seeing Hazar's
wish because I'm just such like a fighting game little slut
basically and I love when. It's like my.
Favorite thing about? Fighting games as a kid is was

(01:53:52):
always like, I got to see this character's ending.
I want to know every single character's ending when they
beat the story mode. So getting to see people's
wishes played out is like, yeah,for me, really.
Yeah, that's cool. I just itch.
I loved it when you guys lingered a little bit longer.
And 10 bombs. Were watching 10 bomb get the.
Goblins catch him and execute him.

(01:54:14):
Like. This is correct and good.
For them, good for them, you know?
Yeah. Always bad guys.
Sometimes it makes. Good.
He just changes things. Sometimes he changes.
Bad. He just.
Changes things. I mean, he would have let us do
whatever. She's gone for it, yeah.
You know what? I renounced the oath of the
story Keeper. I.

(01:54:34):
Would like to go back and resurrect the Oblix please.
What if episode 2 What if we just said OK to the Oblix to.
What if? Yeah.
I I'm sure This is why you're leading to Kyle, but I have to
have an explanation of what our own.
Oh my gosh, yeah. We cannot skip that.
We got like. Oh, you're on.
Workers combination. Yeah, yeah, because while I was

(01:54:57):
shoes chill, I need to mine was.So choose just so.
Lovely and nice. I died.
Bitter. I like a little bittersweet, but
like. So I burned the information of
my like mother revealing the truth to me.
I destroyed it. Yeah.
That was. So.
Gut wrenching. This guy died and then Hugh had

(01:55:17):
just was. First, talking about just
talking about the outbacks in. General Oh God, Hugh.
Dropped muffins on the floor, which is its own form of
heartbreaking. And then I evidently gave them
to people. And we know they give.
Floor muffins. We know that Hugh didn't want to
be a Baker, so ultimately it wasan unfulfilling life for Hugh I.
Mean I. Think maybe that's a bitter
sweetness. This is maybe.

(01:55:37):
This is a. Break.
So this the the cool part about so this villain very unique type
of villain where he literally knows your memories like he the
the Oblix stole your memories and knows you pretty well off
the bat. Like that's no other D&D
villain, like knows characters that well, right?

(01:56:00):
The the unique thing about it and things I had, things I had
to keep reminding myself of is that it knows you, but it knows
you at that point doesn't know your character growth as it's
gone, right? Like he doesn't still know all
of your memory. He doesn't know your new
memories and how you've changed his characters, right?
And so he still thinks your ideal reality for Hugh is that
he is a Baker and he's living with his sister who's alive, you

(01:56:24):
know, which maybe is, you know, a great reality for Hugh.
But the Albeck's goals for this,for this end part was to
convince maybe one of you to, to, to join him.
So like Hugh, it's like I'm going to try and convince Hugh
to to resend his decision and keep River alive and live out of
happy life. Real fast, can we talk about how

(01:56:48):
like we forgot like the the dream of him coming to Hugh's
dream and like right before we found out at the the campfire
that Hugh never wanted to be a Baker?
And Scott? Mentioned after the recording or
something about how devastating it was to kind of like, if you
like the timing of that, if you like.
It would basically be like, in order for them to both be
together, they would have to be both.

(01:57:11):
Like I'm not happy they would begiving up their their dreams.
Yeah, yeah. Like living a lesser life but
together, or living your true dream but not having each other.
Well, I mean. I would love a whole.
You. Had a speech so cool.
You had a type of speech that I am just a real sucker for, and I
think this is the Sailor Moon fan in me.

(01:57:32):
But also it just hits a thing inme.
There's in the original Deke dub, not the new dub which I
also love, but the original 90s dub of the second Sailor Moon
movie. Fans out there will know what
I'm talking about with Princess Kaguya.
The sailors. Shut up, shut up people know

(01:57:55):
what I'm talking about. Sailor the big the big.
Like, literally the epic end of the movie is Sailor Moon talking
to the villain about how if everything was good, you
couldn't appreciate anything because everything was good all
the time. And so in order to appreciate
the good, there has to be the bad.

(01:58:16):
You have to have both the shadowand the light, otherwise
everything is meaningless and everything is the same all the
time. And that's just the type of
speech that I'm always a big sucker for.
And that's basically the speech you gave to the outlets was
like, I if you take, you can only hurt us because we have
hurt, but we only hurt because we also love.
And I just love that kind of speech.

(01:58:37):
It's it's great. Yeah, I think that was something
that I believe actually pretty strongly with, like, especially
the last part of like, the reason it hurts so bad to lose
someone is because you loved them so strongly.
And like, I think it sucks. And obviously you never want to
feel those kind of emotions, butlike, that is like a comfort to
me in those times as well. I was like, yeah, man, like,

(01:59:00):
that is really cool that I got to love them as much as I got to
love them. And like, this pain is a direct
result of that, Yeah. Love is a bargain, and love is
an agreement that it's going to suck when they're gone.
Yep, yeah, that like that dream was a very cool that like
Fireside, I mean, that was an I guess an episode ago at this
point. But like that fireside chat in

(01:59:21):
general I think was really, really cool just as like a
leading intuitive because they were they started talking about
like what are they going to do after?
Like they were starting to focusnow on like the hope of making
it out and the hope that it willbe better again.
And like there isn't there is anout versus like just getting
kind of dragged along with this adventure.
It's cool, but yeah, so that thethe floor hues floor of the

(01:59:46):
tower kind of triggered that out.
It was in a sequence. It was a little jarring, but the
like it it still had that like, Oh yeah, reminder like you could
have her. You would just both have to give
up the the possibility of your dreams.
Well, you could be together at least.
Because it was like idealized versions of stories we'd been
to. Then Hugh gets like a kind of

(02:00:07):
good bittersweet dream, and thenNamby dies, and then he and then
him. Taro is told that the secret was
there all. Along the story.
So Hugh, so so his strategy, tryto convince your characters was
different for each character, right?
So for Hugh, it was, I'm going to show Hugh this ideal reality.
Choose your sister, go back and you know she's alive again.

(02:00:28):
Live with her. You're going to be happy.
M Tiro it was. M Tiro was, hey, look at this
memory. Your mom knew your other mom and
also she gave you a bunch of information that you burned in
the library. Maybe you should just be raised
by your biological parents and we leave your, he says false
mother out of it. Oh that pissed me off so hard.

(02:00:51):
That was the that's probably thehardest.
Line to say too. That's the hardest line I think.
You said it twice in there and Iwas like I.
Did it twice. Sealed.
Yeah, I think. It was only once.
It just feels. Like she like.
Only read it. Wrote it once because that's the
most painful line I've ever written.
I think is like calling. Him.
Piero's mom. His false mother, he the the

(02:01:12):
oblix isn't without emotion himself, right?
He wants to win and has lost so many times to you guys.
But for Emtero was let me craft a new reality for you.
I can't save your mother, but let's let's get you with your
family as they maybe intended. They both wanted to have you and
raise you or you get your mom's,you know, information about, you

(02:01:35):
know, there's just a multiple enticing factors there from Tiro
Namby. He just wanted to beat you down
into the ground and tell you that you're worthless and say
the only good that you could ever do is to save your friends
and your family and your sister will live out your dreams and do
all the good that you couldn't do.
Why don't you just choose to? To lay down and die.

(02:01:57):
Yeah, that was a strategy against Namby.
Didn't work. I didn't think it would for any
of you. But.
I don't have a very good point. I will die in my life.
Like namby, like fine. Like trying to hone in on that
anxiety that she has all the time about am I worth?

(02:02:18):
It am I? Yes.
Am I making the right choice? Maybe my?
Sister would do a better job in my place.
Yeah. No, I get that.
Yeah. It was a very good way to like,
fuck with our heads right beforegoing in.
But yes, it was like, it was really funny.
It was like, oh, everything's ideal.
And then Namby's in a casket like it's.
Just such a sharp like what? Yeah.

(02:02:43):
It was legitimately so drastic that I thought I missed
something at first. Wait a second.
Which like I guess would be likevery true to what the characters
would feel of like. What the hell?
I guess we're just going throughall of these idealistic versions
of the story. Then we have floor muffins with
you and then it like, oh, Namby's dead in.
A perfect in a perfect controllable world with the AL

(02:03:06):
Blacks, maybe he would have shown you those levels and then
brought you up and be like, let me show you the reality and then
like each had a moment with you 2-3.
But and you can't put the villain and the the heroes in
front of each other and not havethem start fighting immediately.
It just won't ever work. So and this one, thank you for
allowing me to have a monologue because a lot of times I don't

(02:03:30):
get that chance with the villains.
We're just like. I started to know.
We're making a podcast. Right.
Yeah. Don't make your villains too
hateable and then people won't want to attack them on site.
Just try to make them not on site.
Or just. You're not allowed to breathe in
your monologue. You just go right into it and
you don't pause at all. Speaking of that, of like

(02:03:50):
letting the villain show like you had mentioned even in the
dream when he approached you that you didn't think that I was
going to take the Oblix's offer of seeing the other.
I didn't think so. I thought because Emtero was so
like, no, screw you, I don't. Want to see anything you?
Have to show me. And then he was like, and you
wanted to see it, like, cool, nice.
But yeah, I didn't expect you tolet the AL Black show you in the

(02:04:15):
dream. What?
The dream spell. But that does make sense on a
broader scale of like, why he would have gotten the more
positive vision of like maybe hewas.
Susceptible, yeah. Maybe he's on board a little bit
and just isn't saying it versus like Namby and Emtero, who were
like, I'm not, I'm not bargaining with you.

(02:04:37):
Yeah. And then, and then in this, you
know, last speech of the Oblix, this is the, the he has changed
as a, as a being as well at the end, revealing that, you know,
he's, he's assumed she's gained so much power at this point by
eating all these memories from all these stories that have
changed. Now he's just ready to be in

(02:04:59):
charge and be the author and wants to invite you in on that.
Doesn't care. Your motive doesn't care if you,
you know, however you want to change the story.
You know, that's great for him because he gets to eat more
memories and become more and more powerful.
So he doesn't care about your intentions being good or not.
You know, I don't care if it's it's you, you know, I don't care

(02:05:22):
about making things right and good in the world, but you do
inviting you to join in with himand you defy him, which is great
and perfect. And so he brings in all the
characters. He brings his evil portals where
all these characters that he's influenced, these real
characters that are about to fight you on the roof of the

(02:05:44):
tower of erm, and your words, your power together activate
something in the stories as you the.
Power of soul. Yeah.
The power of the story keeper, the power of William, the power
of the of, of bringing, you know, the inherent we're going
to stand with the true reality and the pages swirling around

(02:06:05):
you as you your characters summon these these other
characters back to to fight against their counterparts, to
make the battle Even so that youcan focus on the Oblx.
That was a really cool, cool wayto like bring in all of those,
but also and like add chaos to the scene without being

(02:06:26):
overwhelming for like us as the players, like we could still
focus in on stuff that was that was a very cool mechanic.
It was a cool like actually thing where it's like everything
else is being handled around you.
There's a, there's a equal negative and positive fight
happening all around you, but you're happening in the middle
of the fight. It's good.
It's good mechanic. Yeah, I had.

(02:06:48):
I had a lot of fun my initial and thought was like, oh cool.
So like this Avengers end game style and with all these
characters coming back, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm
going to reach out to all these people and get their like audio
quotes of like, what did you, what did you, you know, say
here's what I've written for your character?

(02:07:09):
And then realized, Oh gosh, I cannot.
That is so much to try and manage, especially when I, when
I, you know, a lot of people would say, like, here's what my
character would say. You know, it would have been
really fun to do that, but but Ihad fun coming up with these
little scenes as these characters jumped in to help you
guys and was most excited, most excited to bring to Portal and

(02:07:33):
River and Libby. And I'm Terrell, your mom to
have a kind of a final moment with your mom.
I'd have to say I was looking for a chance to bring in Libby
this entire campaign because I loved your back story.
You know, of like you're a cleric of soul.
She's a grave cleric and like, Ijust love that.

(02:07:55):
That is such a cool idea to me and.
I didn't like talk about her toomuch like in the actual content
of the episodes, but yeah, I dida lot of thinking about my
family and I love Libby, and youplayed her exactly like I
thought she would be. It was perfect.
Yeah. I love Namby's family and in my
head the next adventure that like MTRO Hue and Namby go on is

(02:08:18):
like visiting Namby's family forsome time.
Halloween hygiene. Oh please.
Oh. I.
Want to do that so. Bad.
Oh, please. That sounds great.
Yeah. Yeah.
But we quickly need to record itright now though.
So it's ready for October right now, guys.
Let's do this. For initiative, no.

(02:08:38):
It was so good. You did such a good job with all
the different character voices. It was really fun.
It was so good, yeah. Selfishly, as Aura from Dis
elderly conduct, I loved what you did with Zazz.
Yeah, And being like it was so funny.
Hurt my hoof. Do you have a hoof?

(02:08:58):
Potion, I scuffed my hoof. It was so good.
A nail revitalization potion. Yeah, that's what he was like.
Four, Yeah. I love that aura just goes all
the all the little character things are very fun, Yeah.
Callbacks for all of them, honestly.

(02:09:18):
My favorite 1 though is just your own Whiskey Waltz character
getting to say. This to me, yeah, so fun.
Big enough for the two of. Us.
I imagine them saying it in unison, pointing.
At each other. Yeah.
Exactly. They really would have.
Because they're both like Curtis, so we're just fishing
together, like, oh. That was.
Gonna be a one. Yeah, yeah.
So like, yeah, when the portal activates, you guys all go to

(02:09:41):
your separate or or or you roll for the location.
That's when I was look, I was hoping you'd roll for because
just simply so that Cot could befishing with himself like that.
What was? The order on the table like
because it wasn't. It was cracking me up in the
episode where you guys were like, what's the order?
What's I don't get the system. I'm like, it's random.

(02:10:02):
I don't know, like I. Honestly no.
I figured it was random by like the second one but.
It's pretty random. It seems pretty random.
I thought the. One was the 1st.
Place we went. Nonsense logic.
A lot of it is in order, but then there was some that weren't
so like. So they were like roughly in the

(02:10:23):
like cuz like yeah, we rolled like mothership was 10 on the
table but 12 in the episodes. Yeah, and not all of the
episodes were there. It was just 12.
Yeah, I figured they wouldn't all be there as.
Well the order was the in order what the roles could have been.
So you'll see a lot of these arein are in order. 1 was Zoonopia,

(02:10:43):
then Wild Love, Maleficent 7 Monster Bash, Cloudy with a
Chance of Fireballs, A ChristmasPeril Crowning AI Achievement,
Sorcerer's Appendix, Hell Hath No Fury, Mothership
Acquisitions, Aquatica and Gladiators were the.
Ones do you skip the disorderly conducts?
So Novia was not first because it was the first.

(02:11:04):
Place we went in the. Beginning.
No, it doesn't seem so. It was just first because it is
an early adventure. They're basically in order,
just. With, yeah, they're basically in
order. Like some missing where?
Would the arena have been for them like Monster Bash would
have been in the store or in thein?
The park when we. The baseball.
Maybe. Yeah, I want to know.
I want to know. Let's see, you did Zenopia Wild

(02:11:26):
Love the tower activates U3, rise up the world, run for blah
blah blah blah on. You find yourself in a beautiful
Chapel. On one side the aisles a family
of half works. On the other side of the family
of prim and proper humans, you hear 2 Diandra's screaming at
each other. No, my Edgar is a true Edgar.
The Barnes, Roligars and Andrastias are fighting each
other. Doug Callaway summons A colorful
displacer beast both with both of them with red eyes looking at

(02:11:49):
you. Top of the initiative.
So it was like Doug and his displacer beast for the AH
blacks. You did Maleficent 7 monster
bash. Let's see, I haven't read these
in so long. You hear the voice of an old
woman and woman as you're as thepages are swirling around you.
Now you'll all get to experiencewhat I had to what it's like to
watch your own child turn into amonster and the top tower moves

(02:12:14):
into place and you're on the ground in a town square,
children all around you turning into their costumes.
The bagman beside you points at another bagman who leaps leaps
into a candy bag and he leaps after it.
Wanda Sockler Blood becomes a bat and chases after the other
version of Wanda. Such a great pun.
Dalla becomes a weird, weird tiger and pounces at the other
tiger. U3C4 Ninja Turtles with burning

(02:12:36):
red eyes staring you down in approach.
Oh my God, the top of the. Addition I wish we had done.
That cloudy with a chance of fireballs, you find yourself on
a familiar ship, the Obsidian Dawn, but this time with its
wings. It's extended, flying through
the clouds. Oh, I like this one.
I forgot about this one, but this time it's wings at Wait,
no, I read that you'd see two versions of Agatha's gloss

(02:12:58):
hurling vicious mockery at each other.
You are pigeon, lizard and lack gall.
The tartness of your face sours ripe grapes.
There thou are a boil, a plague sour, an embossed carbuncle.
You're the most notable coward, an infinite and endless liar, an
hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one.
Good quality. That was a lie.

(02:13:22):
Two Dirks are wrestling on the ground while the Himes are
trying to fire arrows at each other in the chaos.
The dragon, which is really a ship, flies your way on a
collision course with the Obsidian Dawn and smashes into
it, breaking the illusion. The ships roll over.
Everyone is in freefall. You 3 are 30 feet away from each
other, falling towards the earth. 3 dwarfs are above you,
look at you with red goggles on and aim their bodies your own

(02:13:43):
direction. Top the initiative.
You guys are just free falling. Off of the shots.
Cool. With the slow MO axe hurtling
next to us named at the. Maria.
It's us falling to. I probably would have made that
the song. It would have been too far if
not to. I forgot I wrote all of those.

(02:14:03):
I got this gloss quotes in thereand didn't erase like half of
them. That was a lot of back and forth
crowning AI achievement. And Hugh and Emtero you are
suddenly driving motorcycles namby you are clutching onto the
back of Hugh on his motorcycle. Paolo rides up to you.
Hey check it out, our friends are here.
Emtero below you you hear your motorcycle say I don't have

(02:14:26):
friends, I have family. The Vipers and lads are riding
together on their motorcycles, fighting their counterparts as
two rings of spirit guardians surround both bikes.
Their spirit guardians are like fighting each other.
Emterio and Tero beside you. Dasher pulls up.
Hey, I need a light, can I use your head?

(02:14:48):
1 motorcycle pulls up between you.
A guy with two red catanas standing up on his bike.
Top of the initiative fighting Catana guy bouncing on his bike.
Sorcerer's. I like the like the mental image
of it's Namby driving the motorcycle and he is on the back
of her motorcycle. Yeah, yeah.

(02:15:14):
Sorcerer's Appendix You find yourself in a massive
underground cavern and you startto hear the sound of hooves and
behind you a Stampede of goats runs into you.
Ever make a dexterity saving throw or fall prone?
Suddenly pop into existence as the Sorcerer's Appendix crew and
there is absolute mass chaos of Matt wild magic happening all
around. Roxy casts a spell and flumps

(02:15:35):
appear. Nutmeg flies over you.
Over to you and Hugh says. Over to you.
Hugh and says, hey, I like your baking.
I got this special spice from the market.
I don't know what it is. You should try it on something.
The two Christopher's are fighting over a pot of honey.
My honey. No, my honey.
Alerian is casting some dark spell with a cloud of glitter

(02:15:56):
around him. The chimera lands in front of
you, a lion head goat. Head drag about the glitter.
So you fight the the chimera andthat one with the goats running
around as part of. The initiative.
No, Kyle, I think you should have gone full balls to the
walls and made it so we were in the arena.
That's the end of Sorcerer's Appendix.
That's also changing randomly. So you're rolling for two

(02:16:18):
things. When you get in.
The problem with that is that screws up the Shard of reality,
and the Oblix did not let that that reality happen.
What if one of us had just darted for the Shard of reality
when we got teleported to that world that.
Would have been crazy. Hell hath no fury.
The tower wimps into place and suddenly Devil's wearing masks

(02:16:39):
or dancing around you. Hugh.
A hand grabs yours as Dianndra looks you in the eyes.
You're sticking out dance and she pulls you into a ballroom
hold and leads you to the floor.Hugh, I need you to make a
performance check. Oh, like in a Wisdom saving
throw to not be like just curl into a ball and want to.
Die and you would have gotten advantage on the on I would have

(02:17:02):
had to change this because we have the way we I was going to
have you do initiative each rolleach turn, but that ended.
Up. Not happening.
Because it gets really weird if you're each round changing
initiative, like rolling initiative, each new location,
because if there's like an effect that lasts, so.
That lasts until your next turn.Might like come up right away.

(02:17:23):
So I got rid of that because I was like, I can't that that's
going to screw up. GAIL says something I wrote
down. GAIL does something weird.
So I don't know what I've come up come up with in the moment.
And then the crowd suddenly gasp, says the dance floor
clears and Grizzist is there with X Shizlot's head and you

(02:17:43):
have to fight Grizzist Mothership.
You guys did mothership acquisitions.
Aquatica was You find yourself in the lobby of an aquarium.
The 2 Don Donaldsons are in melee flip flinging multiple
arms at each other. Perry is consulting with the
other. Perry you know maybe we could
work together to find some common ground.
You know you have some good ideas.
I have some good ideas. I really think we could make

(02:18:05):
this work in a good collaborative way.
Above you the giant skeleton dragon turtle comes to life and
looks down with you at with red eyes usually fight the big giant
turtle and then the gladiators was the last one.
You hear the roar of the crowd around you.
Gladiators all around you fighting or fighting their
counterparts. You hear the strum of a chord as

(02:18:27):
a tee fling Bard shoots A lute crossbow at bolt at another
Bard. Sir Hoppington runs around
trying to protect his allies. Argos is shape changing into a
bear fighting his counterpart. Also a bear in the center space
and visibility drops on a massive red hydra.
Top of the initiative there, so.Those are.
The other those are the other possible locations that the

(02:18:47):
tower could have. Nice.
Fun to be able to share those with everybody, yeah.
Yeah. Well, in our like what, what if
episodes that we're going to do,we'll just go and explore those
other ones. Yeah, exactly.
Certainly. But you guys.
So yeah, this fight started and you guys walloped on this

(02:19:10):
started and then it. Yeah, quickly.
Yeah. Few guys.
Yeah, the holy weapon spell. I knew that that was such a
powerful spell and like it took when you guys were because I was
like, Hey, you guys should like think about what you guys like
why dearly would want to do likeI wanted you to min Max this
like encounter because you've been thinking about this all

(02:19:30):
Plex wanted you guys to do all of your cool abilities and like
prep for have a moment to like prep for a fight.
And the holy weapon specifically, I knew it was just
going to totally like be amazing.
And when you guys were like discussing different options for
Namby's concentration, I was like, oh, they got to pick Holy
Weapon the whole time. I was like, I gotta pick it.

(02:19:52):
Because it's because like, Hugh never misses and crits all the
time. And that's what, the triple?
The triple. Operates yeah it was so cool
that like a picture of like the fire and radiant swirling
together and. Like it was, it's a good spell
on its own, but I think the story implication of like Bone

(02:20:14):
Crusher now has all of our things on it.
Like this is so wholesome and adorable.
Horrible. I love it.
Like it had both. It was awesome.
I loved that it was like all of Hugh's siblings essentially were
coming together to help wail on this.
It's the weapon of found family.But but yeah, the the balance of

(02:20:37):
this encounter was like was it'skind of actually difficult to
balance for three characters like a fight like it.
It feels like it can be very very easily go into the monsters
like hands and benefit when there's only three player
characters. The oblique, the triple oblique
was to have 330 hit points per round can do 174 damage.

(02:21:03):
That's as like damage per round which your character Max HP's of
this level. Hughes was one O 5 MTRO's was
69, Namby's was 80. You guys just rocked this and
just demolished him and like re listening.
I was like, you know, thinking. About the 20 temp HP and too

(02:21:24):
right? And the heel spell to bring up a
lot of that damage. Yeah, heel was clutched because
it also gave back crit. Yeah, yeah.
You can't take away Becca's crit.
That's our whole. Thing that's a weak and
impotent. Which like re listening to I was
like, Oh yeah, that's exact. It was like that's like I think
Ryan when in the watch party we did Ryan like said like, oh,

(02:21:44):
you'd still be able to crit. It's just like if it lowers the
the DC or lowers your attack andif your attack then misses
because the AC is different thanit misses.
But if you hit, you still do thecrit damage, which makes a lot
of sense to. Me, you know what I say, Who
cares? We all thought about that
during, but Kyle said it wouldn't crit, so it doesn't.
He's a DNS. What?
Us. Yeah, he's a.

(02:22:05):
DNS he doesn't have a bitch in charge.
It didn't last so, but. Kyle is the head bitch.
But that's how I would rule it in the future.
I just hadn't really like thought that far in the moment.
I was like, oh, I don't. I honestly like kind of liked
the drama of having the crits taken away if it were.
Literally any other player I would probably have argued like
that. Logic dictates they should still

(02:22:27):
be able to crit, but because it's Becca I thought she's
gotten a lifetime worth of critsalready.
OK. I think I was thinking calm down
there. I think I have only rolled maybe
1 for sure one, maybe 2 crits onan attack in this entire
campaign. One or two Becca.

(02:22:47):
Well. Becca does.
Make like. 18 attacks every single time she attacks.
Yeah, I do. I do for she.
Rolls more. Most of my stuff is saving
through. I have trivia so I went back and
I started cataloguing the crit for this.
One of the one of Mav's questions was what was the Crow
Goats crit rate campaign widest?Oh, that I haven't gotten that
far yet. You.
Can't possibly be done yet. No, no, I'm still cataloguing,

(02:23:10):
but do you guys know who got thefirst crit of the whole campaign
and like what it was? It was you.
No, it was namby on the save. Namby save against the first
thing makes sense. I don't.
Know that would that so that is one of the first ones but no the
first one is from Brooke. But it was we had to do a roll

(02:23:31):
off for initiative. Oh yeah, take the baby for.
The help That's so dumb rolling all I waste all my not 20s on
things that don't matter. But you get you get to call dibs
on firsties, which. Is and you made me roll off we
tied. I know you made yourself.

(02:23:52):
No, it's your. Fault.
I blame you. I blame me too.
Cool. But yeah, I will have a crit
total for the listeners soon. Give me some time.
Scott, can you remember how manyattacks you crit on ISM Tear?
I know you're not like an attacky character.
I don't. I honestly don't believe there

(02:24:12):
is a single time. I don't.
Really did. An attack.
Roll throughout this campaign. I was thinking about it even
earlier. I think I maybe rolled the least
dice because like my spells so much were other people making
saves? I rarely made attacks and
that's. True for like Andy as well, but
she does have spiritual weapon and guiding bolt every so often.

(02:24:33):
Yeah. So I mean the numbers are in
Becca's favor, but also the numbers are extra in Becca's
favor. Yes.
I mean, they already were, yeah.Yeah, the crits were wild and
the Oblx even had its distracting impersonation
trigger to try to get rid of some of those crits from Becca,
but it didn't matter. And you guys destroyed the Oblx.

(02:24:54):
There was like a relisting toes,like how was it?
And like, one of the funniest things to me was it on its
legendary attack hit with the. Perry Town.
Which was going to be out of reuse range to hit you hit a Nat
20 on it, grabbed its leg and slammed it down in front of you
and we're able to wail on it then.
Just. Love that it's it also rolled

(02:25:14):
terrible on its initiative per my usual, you know, initiative
rolls. It rolled A6 on its initiative
in this nabby. Rolled well on this initiative.
Yeah, I know. You're doing first.
We were so proud of you. Speed little legs.
And Namby kind of spoke up firstto the to the Oblix in this
episode. And I feel like that's good,
like character growth of like, there she goes, she's taking.

(02:25:36):
Charge she's doing. Look at her.
Go look at her but having it go.But even though Brooke was.
Like I don't want to go first. It is weird when you're like oh
I have to go 1st and you're not sure what.
To I never go first. What's like the game?
Yeah, yeah. It is a major boon for players
to have all their initiatives together and then like the

(02:25:58):
monster initiative. Yeah, having the the All Blacks
go between you know, Namby and Mtero or Mtero and Hugh in this
would have absolutely changed the encounter in all in a lot
of. Ways so I.
Don't know how, but I was reallyhappy with how it went, happy to
happy to have my monster defeated.
You know, I just by the end, it's like a, you know, routine.

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So, so much for your characters and wanting this, the encounter
to be very, you know, being difficult and meaningful and and
having having it be balanced. So it's definitely a challenge
for the last deal they encounterwith the big bad.
But yeah, it was cathartic almost to have you guys just
wall up on it. And I when we were recording, I

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remember like there wasn't a feeling of like, well, that
wasn't surprisingly quickly almost for like a final battle,
like in a way. But I really feel like it came
together perfectly for the, I don't know, like emotional flow
of the episode. It'd start to get exhausting if
there was more jumping to locations going on.
Like another jump where and the like it because it could have

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gotten hairy, you know, if therewas another round of initiative
if it knew. So it didn't know that NAMB had
casted a holy weapon on Hugh's weapon.
Like in advance you. Know I didn't know to attack
NAMB to break that concentration.
You know, maybe maybe I could have rolled to see if it could
have done a Narcana check to seeif it recognized that spell, why

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you were doing more damage to it.
But like, so like maybe if the if the Oblix had more
information, maybe it just wouldhave attacked Namby, but it was
still it was pretty mad at Hugh,like being the main damage
dealer. It really was focused on.
I'm going to take down to you and then I'm going to take down
the others and. And it almost did take down you.

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I mean, you were really low. Yeah.
You've got all that insane intense.
Like he'll he'll, he'll he'll. Can we all take a moment to
appreciate that I finally fucking remembered to use my
regeneration feature? Yeah.
All by myself. I did it all about myself to be
20 episodes. Reminders, you're so good.

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I'm so good at D&D and I know now it's gone now I will never
play that feature again. But it was, it was really nice
that I remembered once. Question.
Which was good because I probably would have gone down
otherwise before the heel spell.So.
We won't play the character again until we get to Pambleton
Pandemonium, the Halloween haunted house adventure.

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Pambleton Pandemonium, yes. One of math.
Questions. It was super easy to voice like
17 different characters in the finale, right to me and it was
it's if I can write it all out, it's easy.
If I have to switch on on demand, very hard for me to
switch voices. On Yeah to like improv with

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yourself, Yeah. You're remembering what
everybody sounds like. I feel like what?
That was impressive, yeah. I took a There was, you know, I
definitely had some practice there that you know, beforehand
to read through my lines. It started with the hardest one,
Toad or starred with him. You know it was helpful.
It's very easy. I disagree.

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Just. My good Sir, very easy to be God
risk. Unfortunately, I'm going to need
a bigger jar. You just.
Have. To keep.
Your jowls hard. It's a jowl forward.
Jowl really would come and move and.
I'm not even. Kidding at all times.

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I really needed the unfortunately to be in that
quote because I know that Tawad doesn't want to kill and.
It's true. I would think that it was a bad
line were it not for the unfortunately, which I didn't
specifically think about that. Would have.
Killed you? Yeah, actually, Tawad is not
fighting. So sorry, but yes, unfortunately

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he did feel sad about having to fight and then so you guys
defeat the All Blacks, the the tower shifts once again, becomes
Christie for a second, but then just becomes the BLOB form.
I got to tell you, I was so worried we were going to fight
that fucking dragon. I know it wouldn't have mattered

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as much to Becca and Brooke, butif I had to fight that dragon
1/3 time I. Was like I'm going to lose my
mind. I'm going to lose.
It. Yeah, that was so funny when
that was happening. I was like, don't worry.
It's it's. I was so happy when you said it
was dead. I really did not.
Want I thought that was a reallygood way to keep the drama of it

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not feeling necessarily like premature that we killed it that
like, oh, we're changing to another thing and here's a whole
new thing that's happening, but JK, you're gonna kill it.
Like I thought that was a good little.
I'm glad, I'm glad that worked for you, because that was
something. Afterwards I was like, why did I
do that? That was so dumb, you know, it
was like. One of those things now, why
not? God?
It'd be like, it's like one lastsurge of its power.
Yeah, it's like, it's like it's.Trying to keep going.

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It's like a desperation mode. Yeah, I love it.
I think it made a lot of sense. It's the perfect music moment
because the epic Christmas musicmusic ends on a right as the
other one goes. Yeah.
When I was. When I was picking the music in
there, I, I, I left the Christmas music, epic Christmas
music playing and it honestly fit, but like not like it

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definitely did. Was it, it was something I liked
myself because I loved the epic Christmas music.
I was like, OK, I can't have theChristmas music playing during
the finale. The.
Final hit on the the emotional finale.
So, but I wanted to put it in there and then have it, it it
was perfect how it ended, like just how it went there.

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And then the Oblix was destroyed.
The the the cast, the stories, all the characters on top of the
tower cheered. And yeah, you guys ended in this
big hug when all the characters disappeared and you guys were
alone on the tower. And yeah, I loved your role play

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of we need to we need to handcuff each other and handcuff
ourselves together. He was squeezing as tight as he
can, helping to keep the crew together.
I was. Just worried more shenanigans
were going to happen honestly oflike you guys forget what
happened or like whatever I don't know.
All of a sudden goes back to like before we knew each other

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or something and we were just strangers walking into the
Tavern. Oh my God, you know the end of
my heart first. Season of Sailor Moon that
would. Have sucked.
So hard if. It was just like I.
Was like I would. Have booed that a little bit
like I was like. Yeah, one of your characters
wakes up from a dream. You know it's.
Zero growth for anyone? Yeah.
Just like 01 thing. Do you guys appear back in

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Daggerford standing next to Martha Linfell and rap what?
That guy, Mr. Mr. Carpenter, man.
Eleanor, Mr. is on the naughty list.
And they are. He is on the naughty come.
On Stan throwing that was. That into the house did he rose

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up by. April.
Did he decide that, like Mr. Eleanor was on the naughty list
by himself? Oh.
Yeah. Yeah, that.
Was. Hilarious.
I forget that. I forget exactly what led to
that interaction, I think. Was it you guys asking him or
something like that? No, it was like something about
the book club. He's like, Oh no, I know you, I
know you. And then he's like, he's like,
you're the book club, right? And then he's like, yeah, you,

(02:33:30):
you know, Mr. Eleanor on the naughty list or something like
that. Yeah, yeah.
That's that was all him, yeah. It tracks.
Oh good. Well.
He keeps promoting this boring book and that's, yeah, that's,
that's got to push. That is naughty list material,
read the room at Mr. Eleanor. You guys are going to get
trapped in that book. That's what's going to happen.
Oh God. We could use a carpentry book, I

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mean. We actually that would be very
handy. Sure, yeah.
I thought it was really funny that you were like carpentry
accident. But you guys, your characters
feel the inspiration that comes to the people who come into the
end of the Tavern and want to tell a story.
You feel this supernatural inspiration to tell a story.

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And your characters tell this story in the street that becomes
the street fair. That takes 10 days to to tell
because there's, you know, typically 2 episodes for each,
you know, for each story, you know, And there is, yeah, 1020
episodes in this. But you guys tell the story to

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the people in the streets. A lot of fantastical things
happen. And at the end, the crowds
cheering, and you feel this, this heaviness in your chest,
the opportunity to speak some oaths and swear the oaths of the
night's radiant too. Man, I really, I really, I

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probably should have cut that out, I'm going to be honest with
you, but I couldn't resist. I it really had that vibe though
in. Your.
Life. There was.
Fairings. I think D&D was D&D was around
before Sanderson, right? Oh.
Certainly. I mean, I'm sure he didn't name
his character Khaled and for no reason, right?
Like. Khaled and.
Caledon is Caledon the well, he's not called that he's.

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Called Paladin, but he is demonstrably a paladin.
He were a DND character, he would be a paladin and his name
is Caledon. Oh God, OK.
All right, not everybody's namesare amazing.
He's a good. Character.
I'm sure. He's.
Great. What?
Said a steel street signs. Girl, all your characters are

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named after fucking streets nearmy house, Hugh, Guenard and
Hobson. So funny roads.
Like by Scott, we made the joke ones that we were going to like
because when Scott pointed it out to me, like I had not
realized that had happened, but I was like, I'm going to start
with each of my like progressionof characters.

(02:36:01):
I'm going to start, like, slowlymoving closer and closer to
Kyle's house and just see how long it takes Kyle to notice
that all of my characters I wear, like the Fort Wayne
Rhodes. Yeah.
Yeah, no. Well, I didn't notice until now,
so I didn't. Notice it until Scott had
pointed it out to me, it was, I don't know when.

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That was a year ago so. I can't say any of the jokes.
Is little docks where Kyle lives?
Yeah. Say anything else?
But your characters decide to that was really.
Cool. I like, I, I figured that we
were going to have some like story keeper thing happen to us,
but I didn't expect that it was going to be like 3 levels of
like actual Palin. Express you would come.

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Up with like, it was really cool.
I was like. Yeah, this has happened.
Yeah, the new 2024. Rule is actually for my
character design. I don't think that those 3
levels are really optimal for mybuild, so I'm going to reject.
The. It is kind of.
They're not optimal for my build.
Charisma is not my stat. But yeah, the the new 2024 rules

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are kind of weird with Paladin where you don't swear your oath
until you're Level 3, which is kind of strange to.
Me. Weird.
That's how you choose. Your subclass though, so I guess
it makes sense. But the Oath of the Story
Keepers is a 2024 home brew homebrew subclass that is going

(02:37:27):
to be available once we fine tune it.
And I like to try and make it asbalanced and fun as possible in
case anybody does want to play one.
But the main one of its main channel divinity abilities is
kind of summoning the spectral pages and using that as a as a
weapon and comes with the bonus your AC and it's a fun little

(02:37:50):
mechanic there. So.
So your characters have those abilities now.
Yeah. Are the story keepers for the
Tavern? William is dead, the Tavern is
in a pile of rubble, and what isnext for the Tavern?
What is next for the Tavern guys?
What do you guys want to do withit?
I think it's fine the way it is in rubble.

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Yeah, like a hole. Yeah, I did request that.
Hey, maybe if you could build the Tavern again just so we
don't have to change the name ofthe podcast, that would be
great, you know? You don't want to change it to
big hole in the ground. Yeah, that'd.
Be. Pretty good.
Big hole pod. Big hole pod.
Big hole pod. Welcome back to Big Hole Pod.
That's good. But this has been this is this

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has been an exciting, you know, plan for your characters.
If it was going to be all of your characters, great, just one
of your characters or, you know,perhaps if all of you had died,
I guess, or you know, how how the story would have been
changed. But becoming the new story
keepers for the Tavern, the new bartenders, the telling of the
story. I think that's really cool.
Part of this is that you guys did the recaps as your

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characters, and that's kind of like you telling the story as it
was going and happening as your characters.
And the fun part now is that before all the adventures, we
get to see little snippets of Hugh and M Tiro or Namby as they
are the staff of the Tavern, youknow, as story keepers come in

(02:39:20):
and do things. But yeah, we've talked a lot
about the campaign as a whole. We got some extra questions that
are more like campaign wise questions.
Bones. I liked Bones question that he
asked today. We all know the dice tell a
story and failure can lead to the campaign's best moments.

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That being said, what was your worst dice roll in the campaign?
Maybe a failed save or an insight check that could have
changed an outcome? Which dice roll did you want to
want so badly to go well but ended up letting you down?
I Becca I know this is impossible.
Question for you 'cause. I have one sassy pants.
Well, because when you only haveone time that you fail to roll,

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probably it sticks out in your memory I'm sure.
No, I mean mine is mine is like a kind of it's more like it was.
I actually don't want it to change, but it was my epic fail.
So I don't remember what episodethat was.
It was when I first summoned Diandra and we were in Zoonopia
and I summoned like her as my echo to like. 3 three or two.

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Or three, but I think it's 3. 3 was the battle, so probably 3.
Oh no, then I would have been with the scorpions so it'd have
been 2. So and like we summon it like
with the scorpions and I go for like in one round right before I
summon her I rolled 2 Nat 20s onmy 2 attacks.
Like it was crazy high with it and then the right after I

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summoned her the very next roundit's like I almost got like
flustered and I rolled 2 Nat ones on my attacks.
Yeah. I forgot back-to-back intense
like dice moments and I think that one was just such an epic
fail. I don't want it changed because
I think it was hilarious and it was so perfect for the timing.

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And then the other really big fail would be like when Hugh
fell for the rolled the Nat one on that inside check and fell
for the my foot is stuck in a pan from the devil.
Which Speaking of questions, I know there was a question about
favorite animated object and thepan is absolutely my favorite
animated object. Yeah, 100%.

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Oh, no question. Yeah.
Mine is the the book bag from the the end.
I thought I was. Like the books, Like the The
Book Man? At the end.
Yeah, book man at the end, yeah.You're all wrong.
The answer is cactus man. I don't know.
What your book Cactus? Man is.
Also fine. Cactus.
Yeah, I. Like that, he came back.
And. There's tuxedo coat rack.

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I mean, they're all. Great.
Yeah, I like, I like the tuxedo coat rack because it then lent
the joke of why do you have to make him so good looking?
You didn't do anything. I can tell you my worst failed
role, but I don't regret it at all.
Similar to Becca, I think, whichI I had no answer for this
because I couldn't think of manytimes that I rolled other than
when I failed on every fucking flame blade that I ever did.

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But it's the banish. It's the spell that Kyle tried
to get me the cast with the spell scroll where he gave me
like triple. Oh yeah, that was still
advantage on it. Such a low DC.
Fail on it and we have to go to some other part of the Fay wild
with with Christopher. Who entices you?

(02:42:35):
I do record. That yes.
I wanted to go to. The wedding, I was excited.
I know you wanted to go to that wedding so bad.
That tracks me up. That's so funny.
I forgot about that, yeah. I don't know if I have like a
clear I lost and it led to something specific.
You know what I mean? Like I definitely rolled poorly.

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Would you? Call a Nat 20 on an Inflict
Wounds affair. I literally was going to say
this, Kyle, my, I think my, my biggest regret of dice was
rolling the Nat 20 and then accidentally killing somebody.
So was it a bad role? No.
Did it do what I intended? Absolutely not.

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So I think that counts. I think rolling in that 20 on an
inflict wounds when I didn't mean to actually kill somebody
counts. And I Brooke love that like the
story chaos that that caused. But Namby absolutely is like,
that's the worst thing that I ever did.
I've got the the opposite of that that is still like a Nat 20

(02:43:41):
from Brooke, but I think you resisting the Oblix in the first
episode is essentially A regretful save.
When I read this question from Bones I was like my answer is my
2 Nat 20s. Your.
Greatest successes were your greatest.
Totally, totally. I think I I think I crited on
like one attack once and it was like, cool, you did like 16

(02:44:04):
damage. Good job.
So like my crits honestly are like the biggest thing that
stand out to me as like causing negative story effects or me.
There's this game. Do you like anti manifest it?
Like manifest roles? Do you anti manifest it?
Yeah. This I, I love this game and how
the story and how storytelling happens with this game.

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There's been multiple dice rollsthat have just been so impactful
in this one. I think about the, the, the
moment where Scott has to decideto use Silbury barbs on Rook and
the Western 1, you know, and that changes that, that, that
role for him. Yeah, for Tannenbaum saving on

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that or however that played out,that's another, you know, the
the inflicted wounds that that took Tannenbaum down and he
starts coughing up blood and people think he has a Crimson
cough and you save him and that's totally setting change
changing. It's just so I just find it's so
fun that, you know, this game isso fun and allows for craziness

(02:45:09):
like that to happen. So cool.
My, I think my answer for the failed saves is probably the I I
don't regret it because it was such a cool moment with the
Uranus, but her failing and getting banished, like I was
really looking forward to you having to go without Bone
Crusher for a little bit and then fighting river with Bone

(02:45:32):
Crusher in her hands. I thought, you know, I was
excited for that as like a, a planner as a part of the, you
know, the DM trying to be the author of it, right?
And then it just totally gets thrown out by a couple like very
crazy roles. Have you taken the Over the
story keeper Kyle? I don't think so, yeah.
Kyle, Kyle, what did you imagine?

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Like how did you imagine Hugh reacting to Bone Crusher?
Like in the immediate, Like obviously Bone Crusher was going
to come act like in a few episodes, but how did you
picture Hugh reacting? Sad boy.
Without derailing. Oh sad boy, trying to figure.
Out trying to figure out how to do anything without Bone Crusher

(02:46:13):
like that. I was picturing sad boy Hugh I
think. You're, I think, the precedent
for that. And the Hellfire, yeah, so
interesting. But but that would have been
wrong. I think you would have been
very. Angry well I don't know like I
Brooke asked that question earlier and I genuinely like I
kind of reacted in the moment like our Gates said that
reaction in the moment but I don't know I mean maybe it

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wasn't enough I hadn't honestly thought about it I.
Think you would? Have reacted with anger, but you
might have been able to be talked down by Namby and Imtero.
That's kind of how I would see that realistically playing out
is you like having. Kind of a huge reaction and.
Then it was like, it's OK. In my head it was.
I don't think that you would have known why it was gone, but
at least you wouldn't. He wouldn't have known it was

(02:46:55):
the Oblix. Maybe he just would have assumed
possibly, but there wasn't like.I think that it only increases
the chances of Hugh going full murder hoe but not knowing like
where it went. Oh, it must.
Have been Mahadi I'm. Going to have no choice but to
go kill. This.
Oh, like going against Mahadi? Yeah, I forgot.
About that, yeah, you would havejust gone.
Yeah, I would not have been prepared for that.

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That would have been wrong. That would have been very.
Funny. It's sort of like what I
wouldn't, I didn't steal from you.
I wouldn't, you know, and then and you didn't.
Already didn't want to be there and didn't really trust Mahadi
the most, so I feel like Mammy and I would have had a hard time
talking him down 'cause I basically had to talk you into
even going to begin with. You.
Know, I'm banking on the fact that Emtero's incredibly
charismatic and Mamby's very insightful so that as a team we

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could have maybe figured something out, yeah.
I'm just worried it might have been like I trusted you guys to
even fucking come in here and now I lost the.
Hand No, it would have been bad.I'm it would have been bad.
It would have been bad. Yeah, Mahadi.
Would have Mahadi would have plane shifted away is what he
would have done. And so, yeah.
I think I genuinely wonder if like he would have just taken a

(02:48:01):
straight on Fang style like a Tusk bite attack because I don't
have any weapons left and just like gone on full monster
because do trolls like monster trolls like the stat blocks?
Do they have a bite attack? I don't actually know if it's.
Just a slash. Well, this is back.
Before you realize you could cutyour hand on it on your Fang, so

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you might have pulled out a screwdriver and tried to attack
with that. If only I had my trusty
screwdriver that I stole from that guy.
Speaking of the Fang thing with the Bone Crusher thing, one
thing I did with this campaign you guys get each got like some
fun magic items to use in each campaign setting and some fun
abilities, but you also got a couple like character

(02:48:43):
enhancements as you went. You know you got a little bit of
the blood hunter for Hugh being able to activate the damage on
Bone Crusher MTRO. I don't think you ever really
got a chance to use your face step because you.
Weren't. No, I did.
I charmed the two devils in the bog before I got absorbed by the
Gorgon. And may be on our side you got

(02:49:06):
the radiant extra radiant damageboost from came.
In real handy. Thanks for that.
Yeah. Did in general I find I give out
sometimes I give out a lot of magic items and they don't get
used been like campaigns and things and the.
This was an example of you guys getting some boons that you used

(02:49:28):
frequently. You guys like that prefer that
and future campaigns is something where man I would love
my character to get something like a Little Feat almost like
that versus like fun magic itemsI.
Always. I was going to say, I'm just
always in favor of feats and little things like that for my
characters. Like anytime I have an ASI, I'm

(02:49:49):
always looking at feats first. Personally, just because I like
things that just add a little bit of here's a here's a thing I
can use once that will be reallycool, like when it comes up.
When it comes, I appreciate it. Kind of I appreciated mine being
kind of like passive almost of like I'm automatically going to
be doing radiant damage and I get a boost to that.

(02:50:10):
Like I'm a player who you've probably been annoyed in our
home games when you're like Brooke, I gave you this thing
and you're not using it. Like I forget about things.
So like. I so that is classic.
Magical. Time, you know, you remember,
you got that like magical paint that you can create whatever.
That's what I was thinking of because we've.

(02:50:31):
Had that conversation. Not magical paint.
I do have magical paint. True has I.
Don't know anything about. This that she can create things
with that United never remembers.
So like something that's kind ofpassive?
You can emptiero. Something that's kind of
passive, I appreciate. It's not something I think
about. But Brooke, by the way, I just
have to say I don't, I don't getannoyed with you.
As I don't think you have that pretty fast over.

(02:50:52):
There I forgot. What she was referencing, and I
know that she's had this paint. For yeah, it's we had a
conversation about this paint thing, which is what I was
thinking of. Like so something that's like
passive and absolutely really it's something you know, is
reliably going to come up is something that me personally as
a player likes because then I don't have to worry about trying
to remember it and trying to be clever about incorporating it.

(02:51:13):
So I think that's totally playerstyle.
Whereas like I think maybe you'dguys are better at remembering
things and kind of have fun withlike remembering the clever ways
to come up with things. So I think it's just like a
player style thing. I think it worked really well
though to have like a modification on Bone Crusher
because there's no way that likeif you had given me like a
really bad ass warhammer that I would have switched over to

(02:51:37):
using that, you know, like some really cool magical weapon.
So I think like having that feature kind of built in and
it's something that like I'm going to use Bone Crusher all
the time anyways. It's just something to make it
like a little bit more special and unique, I think is a very
cool way to do it. And it also makes it like adding
those in that are like super personalized to the back story.

(02:51:59):
I think really kind of helps ground it in, like ground the
character more into the setting than if you were just like, here
is this really cool sword that used to belong to somebody else.
Like that's cool, but it's not really what I would gravitate to
as much. Totally.
And serious thing is cool but I will say I probably used it the
least because it is not optimal for his character in that like a

(02:52:24):
face step is a bonus action and I use my bonus actions every
turn for inspirations and movingmy guy already.
So it was rare for me to have a reason to choose it, but I still
did like. Yours was definitely when I did
like weakest. Well, and I think on top of that
it's. Because I'm so OP to begin with,
I I understand. You when you when you were given

(02:52:45):
it, it was attached to somethingyou didn't know about, like it
was attached to a secret parent that you didn't know about.
So like. It was like a hook.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool.
Yeah, other there's some other campaign questions.
Which crit from Becca had the most story impact in your

(02:53:08):
opinion? My my I think that this one
probably was the biggest one forme was was the you doing the
crit on the the leg attack in inthe in the cyberpunk world?
Yeah, big original AI. Yeah, that attack doing that

(02:53:31):
much damage with you being like base kind of half mutant to
them, half robot and then going into the world the the my failed
roles. Probably the the biggest story
changing like moment was like you escaping that, you know,
Paolo hitting in that 20 to be able to succeed and you guys

(02:53:52):
being able to fight off Hihachi.That totally changed the
direction of that part of the campaign that you know that and
then you doing that huge attack was a major thing like, oh, you
are like a savior to these mutants potentially.
You know, that was that was probably the most impactful.

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Like your thought of that? I didn't have any anything
planned after the Hihachi thing.It was like, which I was like,
she's probably going to get captured.
This is probably what it's goingto be.
It's probably going to be a heist.
We're going to do some fun Matrix bullet time stuff, and
that's the way the adventure is going to go.
And then you escaped out to the mutants and it was like, OK,

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that I had a little bit of back story there, but it was let's
figure out the next steps. I didn't know that wasn't like a
backup you had kind of already planned like it was based on
what had enrolled. Like that's fun.
It was, but it was, yeah. It wasn't like fully fleshed
out, written out. OK, sure.
Right. And so like, so like looking

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back at the moment, it was well,look at that huge crit thing
that that Hugh just did. The mutants are, I had at least
the part written out where it's like the like Hugh is sort of
like the they're like sort of the trolls of of Earth.
And he was like that. And yeah, I think it's been a
long time, so I have to rememberhow much of it was there.

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But there was a lot of that aspect.
I didn't know if we were going to do anything with the mutants.
I didn't expect that we were going to do anything with the
mutants until until the you guysuntil you escaped out of the out
of Hihachi's grasp. But yeah, I like that was a
question from T Rex about which Crypt from Beck had the most

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story impact. That was the one that was my
answer, if you guys have an answer or not for that one.
But. I think that's the one that
sticks out most in my mind of just because it was kind of the
first like big ass damage role and there were like more new
people around to like witness it, which was fun.
So yeah, I think that article was actually with the

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blunderbuss. That's the blunderbuss against
the dragon. That was that's my favorite.
That was so fun. Crazy gun.
Only Kyle can really answer whatimpacted the story.
As a whole, that's. What I don't?
Know, but I do think like the most like strong thematic one or

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whatever is when you hit the oxophilion with a crit like
right away. But.
That's the one that is the most emotional weight behind the
crit, I think. It's.
Amazing. Because you have so many crits
to know. Yeah, which?
1. To choose from my.
Favorite one? Different, but emotionally
impactful. Yeah.
My favorite one was especially. Coming out of like the yeah, the

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blunderbuss ones was, the blunderbuss 1 was.
Fun because it broke Kyle's brain and you got to roll all
the dice. It broke my magic guy.
And you got. To roll somebody dice and.
That was so fun. I need to go back and listen to
that. Well, I'm doing my crit check.
I will back up, back up. Yeah, I do like the

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Theoxophilian when I think like the best, even though it wasn't
like I don't think it was even that much damage.
And like in the scheme of like all of the other kids, not even
remotely, but like, they're justlike the progression of like
staring river in the face, panicking and not being able to
touch her and then sending Cassie no sense 30 feet, having

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her turn into like the the cat, the the horse switching spaces
and then just wailing on. And that was also one of those
things where like DND is so coolbecause like if the animated
what it was the object that was animated in that this.
The spear. It was one of.
The. At that.
Point. Yeah, like if that hadn't been

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animated, I wouldn't have been able to reach him.
And even with it like I was, I had to use my troll, my like
long arms in order to get it. And it was.
That was very cool, like all thedifferent pieces of lining to
make that one happen. So I think that was probably my
favorite, even though the other ones felt pretty badass,
especially when I broke Kyle. Yeah.

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Can. Can I can I lead to another
question that's not exactly related to this one?
OK. So if if Becca in the very first
transporting between worlds interaction with the ablax, if
she had said river, I want you to stay, would we have split up

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at that point? Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I'm so glad that didn't happen.
That was the point of those. So the point of those was to
split the party up. Oh thank goodness, Becca you
that you just did what your memory was.
But yeah, but I had no idea I could technically change it.
Meet Becca, I mean. Yeah, it was something where I
was fairly certain that it wasn't necessarily going to be

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presented as choose a direction either, or like it wasn't even
it was perhaps perhaps in the moment you would have like
decided to switch, but I knew itwasn't presented as like this
big moment. Yeah, it was very subtle, which
works for a lot of characters, but not for Hugh characters in

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general for the way the Oblx works.
And so but yeah, that that wouldhave that's it would have I
would have been Becca here. You, you you go off, you go off
with river to the to the bakery and you go to Neverwinter
because she asks you to go travel the world and you open a
bakery there and you never find the Tall Tale Tavern and you

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never joined the book club. And I need you to leave the
table and then. Vanished episode 3.
And then, yeah, so yeah, that's that's the way it was set up.
Wow. That would have sucked like, not
like, like, I'm sure it would have been fun regardless, but
like. It would have been great

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probably, but also like, yeah, that would have been, I feel
like it would have been felt really fast in the campaign,
like immediately split off like that.
Have more time as a group to like I think.
It's weird because like we do think about like story beats and
oh wow, like wait, this story beat shouldn't happen yet
because it's not because like the characters aren't built up

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yet like it's a movie, but in like D&D and TTRPG stuff like.
Things change. When it doesn't, you know, make
sense. And that's part of the the way.
These. You know, stories go the way
this game goes sometimes. How did you decide whose memory
to do in what order? I knew, oh man, this is a long

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this is a long time ago trying. To this is a long ass time ago I
think. Becca, I think you asked me this
a long time ago, Becca. I I think I yeah, I think I did
have like why you chose to have Hugo first?
I think is like I. Do think?
In some. Ways your.
Yours. I knew that it wasn't.
I knew Namby couldn't be first. Namby couldn't be first because
the Albecks didn't get your memory until like the third

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episode. So it was between Emtero and
Hugh, and I think I just chose Hugh because I knew the direct
he's. Got like 15 minutes looking for
his D2 so he could then decide. Here's the no, here's the here's
the real, here's the real answeris the AL Blacks is trying to
figure out how to save Emtero's mom and couldn't figure it out
and knew what he could save, save Hugh.

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So that's not the real reason, but that's the reason.
I just came up with the real reason.
Was I think is it. I think I think that the yeah
Hughes Hughes hook was easier for the Oblex to do.
That absolutely makes sense. I guess that makes sense.
So yeah, it's weird when the it's weird, it's weird when the
the BBEG is like, it knows your characters just like the DM

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knows the characters. It's very, it's a very powerful,
very powerful position to be in.As Adm other questions, Andy
asked what everyone's favorite part of the campaign was.
Oh gosh, it's like picking your favorite child.
The I think I got to do some really, really, really cool
things with this campaign as Admmy favorite part.

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I think if I had to pick a section, it was probably the
western because my hands were off the reins for for a lot of
and yeah, the horse reins. And one of my favorite
encounter, one of my favorite encounters was the train at the
end where you guys had six rounds to do it.

(03:02:32):
And I thought that was just a really, really fun encounter.
That's probably about, I'd probably pick that as my
favorite, favorite section. But overall, my favorite parts
were the amount of digging into characters, not just your
characters, but other ones and trying to figure out, you know,
where characters were at. And being able to.

(03:02:53):
Yeah, do all of that was really was really fun, mostly doing the
right thing, you know, with someof your characters.
But yeah, what are you guys? What are you guys favorite parts
of the campaign? My first thought was exactly
what you said, which is my favorite episode and my favorite
encounter we played is the trainencounter.

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I think that's the most fun likeencounter in D&D that I've
played, period. So that's the easy answer for
me. I don't know break you have to
go because I'm trying to think like.
All of my answers are embarrassingly theater kid type

(03:03:34):
answers where it's like all of the moments of emotional
anguish. That's a fair.
That's a that's fair. Though, like, am I honestly,
like, kind of right? Yeah, like, like.
Tenon like killing Tenenbaum on accident.
I did not mean to do that and that had such cool story
impacts. That was awesome.
And then like the the odd likes telling Namby that she was

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insignificant and like feeling the emotional weight of that and
then going into the memory like that was so cool.
And then like dealing with that and then immediately having to
go and deal with like this really moral decision and having
to kill that guy. Like all of that stuff honestly
was my favorite was all the likecharacter emotional stuff.
I and just the group, like I loved, I loved everything.

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I loved this whole thing with you guys.
You guys are both awesome and I love our little group and all of
our little like synergy as a group was so fun.
But like for Namby, I think those are the most fun.
While you're thinking Becca, there's also a couple favorites
of vanilla. Asked favorite Echo warrior
summon? Favorite animated object?
We answered favorite most surprising or slash?

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Most surprising guest character?How many vials?
Great 10. Vials.
How many I'll have to. Think on that.
My favorite echo warrior was thewas probably Bagman.
Bagman was pretty fun, all that.One was very funny train our
visceral reactions on the. Train ride.
I think both times you rolled die was very funny.

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Yes. Oh I forgot because I rolled her
like in hell too while she was there.
And then I think, like for me selfishly as a character, I
loved when you rolled Namby whenyou were in the AI world and I
wasn't there. I loved both of those.
Yeah, I thought that those were all very like thematically like
fun ones. The also like the the rolling

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river as the very last roll on there felt like very appropriate
and like special on in that regard.
I love all my little echoes, allmy little inky echoes.
They were fun and and delightful.
Such a cool character idea. I was so.
Annoyed when you said that back in the day when we were

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organizing with someone. It was such a stupid good idea
and I'm never going to come up with anything.
Yeah, that's I just I that's I think I'm struggling of finding
a, a favorite moment of like thewhole campaign because I like
genuinely like loved it all likethe emotional anguish, theater
kid energy, like loved that because I don't get that in like
many campaigns at all. And which like I don't think I

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want in like all of my whole campaigns, you know, like, yeah,
that was that's not what I want to do after I just worked like a
12 hour day. But like this felt unique and
special in that regard, where I think it was all of the pieces
coming together in a way that was kind of perfectly fitting
together. Like I adored playing with you

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guys. And I am like Hugh is my
favorite character. Like the the concept of the inky
creations coming out for the Echo Night and like the Echo
night features are really fun touse.
And then I think his back story and his character development
was really special to me too. So like, I genuinely don't know
if I have. I think the hell arc was

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probably the most fun for me to play just because like coming in
and not knowing every single episode was different and it had
that like kind of energy of, of going towards the finale.
But I I loved all of the arcs inthere, even the ones where I was
like sitting out watching and like like listening to like Zazz
having with the the double barred party and stuff like

(03:07:11):
that. It's all great.
I love it. A plus to you all.
Thank you for playing with me. You're not kicking me out of the
table more often. Yeah.
I think that that scanning through some of the other like
campaign questions, I think there's a question about did I
ever give out inspiration? I don't give out the DM

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inspiration. I don't think so.
No, he, you know, like Kyle actually hates when we role play
and do things. He just wants it to be as we're
just so. Good that if he did it every
time. We just make good.
We have. It I mean.
Legitimately, I think he forgetsto hand it out because we're
constantly doing things that areso good that it's like, how does
any? Pose that you're saying this and

(03:07:55):
right now I wish we were recording this.
They're like little, like cheekylittle pose, like we're just so
good. It's just it's shoulder forward
for everyone who can't see. It's very.
It's gotta be short. Come on.
No, but I do think that we all role played a lot, which
obviously is like part of the whole, like it's a show we're
recording, we're being our characters.
Like I like, I like being given that starting point because I

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think in home campaigns it's more, it's more casual, people
are tired, you've worked all day.
Like whatever it is, like there's a little you can turn on
a little bit more expectation asa person being like, well, other
people who are strangers are going to watch this.
So I'm going to like put on my like profession, not
professional because I'm I'm notgetting paid for this, but like.

(03:08:43):
Like just getting paid to be here.
Nothing. YouTube.
Comment. You know you guys are getting
paid so. Yeah, that's true.
Like I get this is my primary salary.
You're a little bit more motivated to like talk in
character more often and whatnotand like, yeah, it just, it
just. In our home campaign, the person
who's gotten the most inspirations, is it Absolutely.
Celia, Celia. Has fun at.

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His. Lines.
She's the funniest person in theworld.
Do you see why? It's because she keeps quiet
most of the time, and then she comes in with the line.
So it's like, yeah, it stands out, you know?
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
But it is hard when it's like give inspiration for great role
play and I play with such great role players.
I think it's honestly accurate that it's like.

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That's why I don't give out inspiration on the on the
podcast. In a future adventure there
might be a an interesting mechanic for some pseudo
inspirations. I can only remember.
To. Toot my own horn a teeny tiny
bit for a second. There is one time.
Teeny tiny horn. You a teeny tiny horn.

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I'm getting out a teeny tiny horn and I'm Tooting it when I
when I wanted to pet the the three headed monster with my
mage hand and my two hands, you did you let me roll with
advantage, which is the equivalent of inspiration.
So. You did it.
You earned it. I did.
Love that I think. The problem like when IDMI

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constantly forget to give out inspiration.
I think I gave you guys inspiration at the beginning of
the second episode of Mothership'cause I was just so delighted
and I had gotten distracted. Or maybe it was it was mentals,
Ted mentals, tall tales, 'cause you said yes, we all got
inspiration at the beginning of.That I just kind of, as a
player, give myself inspiration whenever I feel like I've done a
good job. You did a really good job.

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That's actually how I crit so much is I was just like, you
know what, Becca, great inspiration.
You inspire me. That's a monster just so bad.
I'm like, I'm really doing terrible right now.
You're just thoughts only givingyourself disadvantage, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. That's possible.
The Kyle Rolls were born out. Of it's kind.
Of no I just. Roll that bad?
A favorite moment? I don't.

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Roll. I don't roll as bad as Kitty.
Yeah, agreed. Oh my gosh, poor Kitty there
wasn't there like an entire episode where she only rolled
fours and it was just like girl.I felt so bad with the mural
when she rolled bad on that. I feel like that's the answer.
Honestly when I read bones question I was like Kitty
rolling low in the mural. Kitty rolling low.
The mural, yeah, that's the worst roll of the.

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That's the dice being the. Least.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I think there there are some
other questions but we are probably running low on time.
We're not going to answer, guys.Favorite thumbnail for an
episode. I'll go.
Let's see. I really like episode 19 because

(03:11:37):
I had to learn how to make something look frozen, which
was. I do love the thumbnails.
I loved you did put a lot of work into those.
I want to say for the thumbnailsthat we're really lucky that
when I looked up goose stock images, there was one that just
happened to look like an X for the X an expedition I'm told I

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was. It's just like a random purple
slime stock image that I stretched a little bit to.
Make I think, I think. I have a good kind of wrap up
question if we're if we're kind of getting.
Into Yeah, I think we are at thewrap up questions.
Yeah, there. Was I want to talk more about
the X ooze Let's. Well, let's.
Talk about how episode 20 thumbnail I took the X ooze off

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so that because the use is gone.Because we are.
Concluding not continuing, Kyle.Yeah, yeah.
I did really like. Episode.
Because there that one was. Cracked me up.
And then there was something else that I like, gave a shout
out to. But the editing, I was like,
ohh, like all of the background music when we were switching

(03:12:43):
scenes, pulling music from past episodes.
That was Scott helped with that because I didn't have of the
setting specific ones for the last couple and instead of
trying to figure it out, I didn't.
And Scott was like, well, we should do that.
And so I was like, yeah, you're right.
We should I. Was like, I'm going to, I'm
going to think I'm not going to use the songs you put in there.

(03:13:04):
I'm going to grab the original. She's like, great, I want to do
that. I just didn't have them.
I was like, all right. Perfect.
I, I had to make sure I had thembefore I messaged you.
So, like, I had to go back and listen through and then find
which ones they were because of course I didn't, you know, save
them in a way where it was obvious what anything was.
I just have one folder of music with like, 200 songs in it for
the podcast. Yeah.

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For sure makes sense I guess. OK, so my question is kind of
broad and just answer like whatever portions you think are
applicable. But like did everyone get what
they wanted out of their character?
Like is the character you built,the character whose story
progression you got? Why did you like we know why
Hugh joined the book club. We don't necessarily know why

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Namby and and Emtero joined the book club.
Like I know Emtero has a reason behind his name.
Are there reasons behind our names?
Like just kind of like general broad like wrap up stuff.
Yeah, well, that's an interesting question because
I'll say this for Emtero, the hardest thing for this campaign
for me when we were sitting out to do a campaign was to make a

(03:14:09):
character that wasn't just a joke.
Because so many of my characters, I'm like, what's
something that's a sustainable joke?
For two. Episodes exactly that long and I
was very worried about having toplay somebody who is more of
like a character that has any sort of progression or is like
not obnoxious is more tolerable to be around for long stretches

(03:14:32):
of time and I do feel very happywith how I'm Tiro turned out
overall. He didn't turn out at all how I
envisioned because I mean, Kyle knows that we had like his back
story that was written was not the story.
Like his mom wasn't an adopted mother in the story that I had
written for him. That got changed by Kyle, by the

(03:14:56):
Afflecks just throughout the story.
But ultimately I love how everything worked out for him
with that storyline. So I mean, I'm I'm happy with
how everything worked out with him.
Tiro, I would say, and his name does mean liar, liar in Spanish
and in Portuguese. M Tiro his he's M Tiro Sol
Berstero because Mt Mentiroso isliar in Spanish and then like

(03:15:19):
Bersterio is liar in Portuguese.Like I feel like you and I had
weird like weird overlaps in ourcharacters that were not
intentional in any way. Like I decided that I was going
to worship Soul which is not AD and D God.
I made like I went on the Internet and did some Googling

(03:15:41):
and then was like soul souls, a God, God of the sun.
And so like your middle name wasSol.
And then I sent Kyle a memory ofbeing made fun of and being told
that I was adopted because I'm not like my family.
And then you actually ended up being adopted.
Like I feel like the overlap on that was really was really fun

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and interesting, even though I don't think it was intentional
in any way. Certainly not, but it's lovely
when things work out like that. Yeah, I do always love those
synergies. Yeah.
I got all that I wanted and couldn't even imagine for Hugh.
I mean, like he like, yeah, likethat progression.
I think like having even him go through.

(03:16:26):
Like I wanted him to process in a real way, as much as I was
capable of doing process his hisgrief of losing a family member
when he was pretty, like, decently young.
I mean, he was only 18 and so well, I guess she would have
been even been like when she actually died closer to 16.

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So I was nervous going into it that it was going to turn kind
of like, I don't know, like the the cringe kind of theater Kitty
energy with like woe is me all the time.
And so I tried to keep a beat onthat.
And I'm like, really happy with how it turned out overall and
the progressions and like growththat Kyle built into the story

(03:17:10):
were really satisfying in those moments and like kind of getting
to work through all of the different stages of grief and
like in, in a campaign. So yeah, I and like, I loved
playing with the mechanics with Hugh as well.
So I'm, I'm very happy and, and fulfilled.
And I'm very sad that I now he he is done and his dice are in
their little drawer. He's not gone though.

(03:17:32):
He's going to be in the Tavern. You'll be able to see that's
true. You're.
About. Yeah, in the Tavern.
See him doing things in the background and you guys will
know the, the, the, the bartenders, the story keepers
innately. You know, if there was ever, if
there was a, A wish that I had for any of my NBC characters, it
was for William to die and be replaced by some people that

(03:17:55):
would be in the Tavern that we knew very well.
And so that's going to be very fun to just continue on the tall
tale Tavern with the bartenders being these characters, these
legendary characters that we know and love.
So. Yeah, I.
What am I see after after you answer for Namby?
I want to know like what you guys imagined like in addition

(03:18:18):
to the Tavern stuff like what you imagined for your characters
moving forward, Like what what do they want to do now in the
near future now that the this part is is done?
But yeah, you have. Kind of stated that he was going
to be at the Tavern. Yeah, yeah.
But I don't want to cut in line with you of with you like and
your character and your questionfor yourself too.

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Yeah, so for Namby, I think I first I, I struggled to come up
with her for a while. I knew I wanted her to be
cleric. And then eventually I came up
with she's a cleric, but she's also a clerical worker.
And that was my whole thing for Namby.

(03:18:59):
That was the first thought. The first thought I had for
Namby was she's actually just working as a clerical worker and
that's why she's so sad and anxious all the time, which I
actually love. And I think turned into a really
good character that is very has a lot to do with, has a lot in
common with me in my real life. But I think, and then I came up

(03:19:22):
with, OK, so what's the most embarrassing insult kind of
thing that people would say to somebody?
And I came up with a Namby Pamby.
And that's why I came up with Namby Pambleton, which is the
D&D name I'm most proud of in the entire world, because I
think Namby is so cute. I think Namby is such a good

(03:19:45):
name on its own. But I also think Namby Pambleton
gets across the intention of what I meant is that she's just
a little Namby Pamby and she's never going to stand up for
herself. And so I love that.
I love that I I'm I'm proud of the name I came up with.
I can't say that for necessarilyany other player like character
I've ever come up with. And yeah, I think I'm generally

(03:20:09):
very happy with how she came outin the whole, in the whole
campaign. I think I kind of struggled with
like, should I be talking about my family more?
Like I have this whole thing about my family, but I'm like
not talking about them, but I think.
I don't think Namby is a person who talks about her family.
Like I think she's like too anxious to be like, people care

(03:20:30):
about my family and I'm going totalk about them.
So like I think all of that ended up well.
And I think she had a good character growth over the
episodes of like standing up forherself, becoming more self
assured and and more sure of what she was doing.
But instill her little Namby Pambleton away.
There's a not not spoiling anything, but there's a, an

(03:20:54):
intro for one of the upcoming adventures where we where Namby
does something in the as part ofthe intro.
And I had to remind myself that this is Namby after the
campaign, not the beginning of the campaign.
She's, you know, not like littletimid little Namby she's and we
get very the the glimpse of yourcharacters is very, very much a

(03:21:17):
glimpse, you know you but but inthe writing I was like, oh,
she's not, you know, super timidand scared, like she's bold now.
And she's still timid sometimes,thinking.
About what they're doing around the Tavern.
That doesn't completely go away,but yes, she's more willing to
stand up for herself and more willing to take risks and more
willing to tell people what she thinks, which is she wasn't good

(03:21:40):
at that, which is why she was a clerical worker for two plus
years. So yeah, I think post campaign,
I know Emtero wanted not to speak for you necessarily, but I
you had said you wanted to go look for your mom.
Yes, correct. I think, I mean, I'm not
somebody who generally thinks about the future in life or with

(03:22:05):
my characters, you know, like until it's until the DM assigns
me to think of something, I don't usually think about it.
But I do think that is what M Tiro's most likely objective
would be. He knows he has a mother and a
father out there that need help,so of course he has to go try.
When we were when we were kind of wrapping up the campaign, my

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thought process was, I want Namby to do something that's
going to force her to be independent.
And so to me that was like goingand traveling around as a
cleric, not just staying at the Tavern, but like going out and
doing things and traveling at the time I thought on her own,

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but then when I'm Terra was like, I'm going to go find my
mom. I was like, Hey, I can go find
your mom. And then maybe also go like
after that's all wrapped up, I can go do my own thing and then
come back to the Tavern. Like the end goal is always
going to be come back to the Tavern because that's it's home.
Base. It's home base but I want.

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But. Perhaps if the Tavern gets
rebuilt, the hallway with all those different doors in the
back, maybe Namby would find. Herself walking one of those.
Doors, perhaps in the future, who knows?
What about? Your other characters, what'd
you get? What's what's MTRO going to be
up to? Well.
We talked about me. Let's talk about Hugh.
Oh, sorry, yeah. How dare you?
Yeah. I mean, like we, like I had

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mentioned it kind of before about like, I think Hugh, his
whole life has really just wanted to find a space that he
fits in both literally and figuratively.
And so I think that that would be something that now that he is
like ready to make his own future, I think that that's
going to be what he's focused on.

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And so like I could imagine him being like more than happy and
willing to go on any trips that MTRO and namby need support on
or feel like they want support on or even just company on.
But I think that he is really looking forward to, like,
creating a true home, like he felt when he was like, first
growing up out in the forest andlike, yeah, finding a space that

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he fits in and that other peoplecan fit in, too.
So I think he's excited to stay physically and like literally
fit into it as well as figuratively.
And great, incredible. I really, I look forward to
seeing your characters in the future.
It is little bit sad to close the book on this, but it was

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such a great campaign. Some of my favorite moments of
all time. D Ming in this campaign.
It's such an amazing time for meand to play with you guys And
any other thoughts, question or thoughts or anything you wanted
to say before we close out this Chaser episode?

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I just. Love thank you Kyle for all of
the time and like I can't even imagine all of the logistics and
Google Docs that you have going right now so I.
Think yeah, 1 of maths questionsis maybe like, how do you keep,
how did you keep the story straight and all this stuff?
And I, I think that there was a I'd have to look back through my
notes because my notes are a little bit scattered, but the

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there was like a main outline somewhere where it was.
Hey, this is what's probably going on timeline wise.
And I wish I had a big map like TH WIC had, you know, with all
the. You need like a murder board
style. Big murder board board flow
chart headed in all these different directions.
This is happening in this time. You know, it got a little crazy

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when it was you guys going to mother leadership story which
takes place in the future of thecyberpunk world, which is really
in the past. Of your favorite.
Like the Earth is in the past right now.
What you know, it's, you know, all that stuff was really fun to
try and think through. You're welcome.
I think I did mostly, you know, I'm mostly happy with the the

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decisions that I made in this campaign.
And I think it was scary to to work so much in characters
backstories and worry about doing the wrong thing most of
the time. And I think that the right thing
happened most of the time. And I think it honestly, it was
it turned out as good as I couldhave hoped and expected.

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So thank you for being amazing players.
Yeah, it was a lot of fun to puttogether.
It was very emotionally affecting, and it's one of it's
I, I think it's top D&D I've ever played.
It was so fun. I love that.
The last things that we said to each other in Episode 20 were I
love you, I love you. Yeah, that.
Was the last line is me saying Ilove you?

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Because that tracks. I love you guys and this is so
fun. So I.
Love you guys. Yeah, it was it was the best D
and I mean pretty easily. It's the only, I guess
technically it's the second campaign I've ever finished, but
like Scorched in Ryan's campaignisn't like an emotional
character going through anything.
So it's not really on the same level of like a journey for him

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as it was for him Tiro. So yeah, definitely very, very
affecting. It's very cool.
Good job everybody. Well, this is the part, this is
the part of the chaser. We do tease what's coming next
and we do have a true one shot, one shot that is recorded.
We don't have a release date forthat.
We don't know when that's going to be coming out, but.

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Soon. Soon wish.
Very soon. I'll start editing it tomorrow,
don't worry. It's it's great, a true one shot
players or Scott is returning asa player and it's tiddly and
Tyler, the voice of Zaz and the player of Zaz.
Voice of Zaz, Player of Zaz, Yeah.

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Both and you. Think that Zaz plays, Tyler Zaz
plays. Tyler.
And Jim, all right, let's. Not and Jim and the other guy.
I forget his name. Hysterian.
Hysterian. Yeah, yeah.
And we also have guests on the podcast from TikTok.
A new guest. Yeah, Daisy Stridinger, D, and
Daisies is her tag on on TikTok and Instagram.

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She's joining as one of the players in this adventure called
Rats versus Commoners, where allthe players are playing
commoners, just fighting some rats.
Very low stakes. It's just about taking out.
Stamford can't catch a break. It's.
It's actually, yeah, it's in a in a town, not in Fayroun,
actually set in Alaria, the homeplanet of William.

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But yes, excited for this one because it's ridiculous.
It's a true one shot, just one recording.
I will probably do some promo for it and be fun, but thank you
all. Thank, thank you all for joining
for this campaign. Thank you for listening to this
really long chaser. It's not quite five hours as Mav

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had requested. Mav wanted 7 full out It's.
Only. Three and a.
Buckle up for an and. I think.
That's got Buckle up, everyone take a bathroom break.
But anyways, thank you for listening.
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for our intro music. Thank you to Zazar for our
artwork. And with that, we will see you
next time at the Tall Tail Tavern.