The Chaser: Expedition Untold Ch. 8-11

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that's a. Rectile to an It's not even this
Chaser isn't even covering that episode.
I know, but this episode comes out after that episode.
But obviously I'm going to back,I'm going to backdate the

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release, so in the feed it comesbefore it, so future listeners
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thick episode. Of extra.
Thick chaser. Normally, normally Kyle, we're
serving up skim, right? We're keeping it skim, but we
got the whole the whole crew. The whole We're dropping a shot

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of Bailey's in the Guinness and letting it sit there for a few.
Minutes before we have you guys ever had the cement mixer shots
like like curdle that you have to?
Call that when you drop a shot in your Culver's Cement.
Mixer, Mixer. Concrete.
That's actually delicious. No, no, it's just like some.
Weird, I think that's what I thought the Baileys and get us
was, but no, that's you have to drink it super fast.

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You do. What is a?
What is a? A cement or a concrete, whatever
1 you said. Mixer.
I know the incorrectly named it.It should be concrete mixer but
no like the cement mixer is likesomething like a like a lemon
juicy like agent in a cream based liqueur so that it curdles
real fast and so when you like throw it back as a shot.

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Yeah. Love it.
It's hard. It's.
So bad. It's like one of those ones you
get people to, like, basically, like, troll them on their 21st
birthday. Yeah, like, like when they don't
come. To their Welcome to the Curdled
shot of podcast The Curdled. Chaser the curdled the the back
of the fridge curdled section. I take offense that the first

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chaser I'm on is curdled. OK.
I don't like what the supplies. Speaking of, I demand we change.
I'm here with Scott and Brooke AKA Namby and Becca AKA the Crow
Goat. Hugh.
You're welcome everybody to the Chaser episode.
We are we are focusing on chapters 8910 and 11 of the

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Expedition Untold campaign and 4episodes Extra extra creamy.
Here we go let's jump right in It's great to have everybody
here. It's kind of fun to have the
whole main cast a. Nice change of pace for these
episodes to have everybody here,you know.

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Yeah. Thanks to somebody there.
We were not together for any of these except we all were, but I
mean. Except everybody still lurked
because. Yeah, we still weren't there the
entire. Not be there together.
So we just like it, lurked in the background and screened.
Content like I did contemplate like when I was, you know, when
planning out that at some point you guys were most likely going

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to split, I was like, do I do I make it really like secretive
for the other players like they.Don't truly banish what?
Happened. That would have been scary.
And then, yeah, I really, I didn't really linger on that
thought too much because I just realized I just thought that
that probably just wouldn't be fun.
For you and the logistics of it would be such a pain in the ass
for you to like try to secretly schedule records for us or

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whatever like. Oh, like, so they don't know.
Oh, like, literally think that you're gone from the entire
yeah, from the entire thing. I don't think I would have gone
that far with it, but like, hey.Oh, yeah, I'm Diro's actually
dead and gone. It's just you, you.
Good luck. It's you and me, Becca, for the
rest of the camp. Oh yeah, if.
I didn't know that there was like, some hope for like that to
end. I'd be like, well, Hugh just

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lays down and gives up. That's.
The he lays down and gets. Up.
I hate this world. I'm I'm not, I'm not
participating. He goes with the sex robot and
that's the rest of Hugh's journey.
You take a piece of paper over your webcam and it's just like
Hugh closes his eyes and it's like.
The eye. Yeah, it was.
Just like slowly lowering. I'd even use a green stick it

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note to make it authentic. Yeah, we are.
Let's let's, let's, let's start rolling through these episodes
because we had a lot of fun, a lot of fun things that happened
with them. The first episode chapter 8 is
Cyber Troll and that is Hugh allalone in the cyberpunk world

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being taken by Ben Biofuel to the crowning AI achievement crew
who invited him along on their journey to go over the over the
bridge to reunite with the rebellion.
The resistance against the AI war that was happening in New
Lisbon city. And that episode took us through

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the under city of the outskirts of South Lisbon, through the
subway and then onto the bridge where you guys fought in that
first guard tower and successfully made it through.
And then the rest of the guard towers shut down as Viper
deactivated all of it. Yeah, these.

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Are hard episodes. It's a hard episode for me to
think about that episode and getmyself into.
The frame. Yeah, because, well,
specifically because it's so hard for me to think about New
Lisbon City in Expedition Untoldas like go back to a world where
I didn't know it was already destroyed and they were all AI
robots the whole time, you know,like, it's interesting.
And that when we recorded that entire one, they just thought it

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was real. We're, I mean, as real as D&D
gets, so. Yeah, Speaking of like not
knowing that they were robots, Ihave a question for you, Kyle,
that I did not send to the Chaser because it just popped my
head in that initial scene whereHugh gets brought back to like
their their headquarters, their lair.

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And I do. I did a perception check to look
for the color red. It.
Was there any chance if I had like crit on that perception
check, would you have given me anything to hint at the fact
that they were AI? I don't think so because the red
light was a giveaway not only toyou but to them.
So he hot she like in their chest?

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Is that what you're saying? The red light in.
Their chest thing like what? Like would there have been any
hint that was would have been possible at that point or?
No, I don't think. I don't think I would have given
it to you because because the the players weren't in on it.
Right. I just like concepts that we go
into these places and we're always like, oh, the color red,
oh, anything red. But like in real life, if you

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stopped at everything that was fucking red, that.
Yeah, it's like. It's like multiple times.
Kyle's had to be like, no, it's like normal.
It's. Just of the color, it's just.
The color. Look at this monkey wrench.
It's so menacing. It's red.
If there had. Been like a red monkey wrench.
He would have just picked it up and whipped it.
Yeah. There's no way.

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But yeah, because the because the the other the other players
didn't know and that wasn't likea reveal that was meant to
happen, like at any time kind ofthing.
I don't think I would have givenyou, I wouldn't have given you
anything because they, because that would Hihachi wouldn't have
let them know that they were. Gotcha.
You know, they would have let him, yeah.

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What if you had gone my questionthough?
Here's a question then. So like, what if you had
accidentally, what if one of them got really hurt or like
cut? Would they?
Was there any way somebody couldhave like exposed some wires and
gotten a hint? Did you consider that at all?
Well, they did. They did get really hurt.
Like Paulo was real beat the crap and I think it was supposed

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to be there was the illusion over it, right?
I didn't address it, but if someat some point, and I didn't
expect you to like he doesn't have any healing things.
But in like in the battles, I wasn't going to like have Hugh
like, oh, hey, roll a perceptionto see.
But if there was ever a time where they were going to have to
like tend to some wounds, then then it would have been Hugh.

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Hey, Hugh, you see like wires inmetal, Paulo?
You can see your flesh is like splayed open to the bone.
But I didn't push that because, I mean, that's what you would
have seen. They were getting damaged and
argue arguably, yeah, maybe theydid get.
Weird, Paolo, your head looks dented like you're pretty.

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Messed up in that in that guard tower.
But with everything, with all with all the chaos going on and
it being fast-paced, it didn't yeah, I didn't didn't like have
you do that. But I did have a thought of if
there was some, if there was a moment, then I was going to have
to say hey, you, you can tell that there's something weird

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going on another way, another way.
This could have gone a differentway but you know, this whole
thing could have gone differently.
This whole, this whole half of the cyberpunk thing really had a
whole lot of different directions it could have gone,
but. Tell us all the directions it
could have. Gone.
I'm really cool with that. Give us a read.

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That brings me to a. That brings me to a math
question in the tunnels. Is there a way that could have
been a wrong turn through the mutant tunnels?
No, it's just that was one of his questions.
Could the party have taken a wrong turn in the mutant tunnels
and ended up meeting the mutant clans much earlier?
Like, completely different approach to the story.
Ben Biofuel wasn't going to makea wrong turn in those mutant

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tunnels because he had spent years like racing down there.
So that's of course like. Biofuel would never.
He would never make a wrong turn.
And yeah, there was never a decision point in the in those
tunnels where I had put in like right or left, you know, just
because it was. Yeah, tunnels that Ben had known

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from. And they were like old subway
tunnels, right? Just.
Found that. Many turns just follow a track.
And it does end, the subway did end before it went under the
water to get to New Lisbon City that had been blocked off by New
Lisbon City when the mutants were active and that the subway

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had been inactive. I don't think we ever gotten
gotten to this lore, but South Lisbon had the mutant problem
and the subways and the subway kept was the way of transporting
them through. And then eventually the mutant
issue got too bad where they shut down the mutant the the
subway tunnels. That's when Ben and the racers
went down there to race through them.

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And at that point that it was shut off from New Lisbon.
The subway didn't go under the water to get to New Lisbon.
So the mutants that were underneath New Lisbon, what are
the outskirts of New Lisbon? The tunnels that kind of went
underneath in like around New Lisbon, separate from some of
the mutants in South Lisbon, which is across that Tegas

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estuary a little bit, maybe a little bit too complex.
But yeah, that's the there was kind of multiple clans of
mutants going on there. But yeah, Becca, you actually
had a question about the tunnel.Racing mechanic.
I was just wondering if you could describe the mechanic work

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because I know like in the moment everything obviously
we're all amped and not retaining as much as we should.
So if you could just describe like what was the mechanic in
there? And and I think Mav added to it
also too of if there was any waywe could like have epically
failed during that portion. Well, Becca, I think Paolo was
the mechanic. God, it's his band all over

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again. You wanted to be here, you asked
to be here. You're going to listen to them.
To back at one of the horrible jokes.
You wanted this too, Brooke. I did.
I know. I won't lie.

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All right, all right, Lay some. Mechanics, please answer the
question for real now. Yeah, so the mechanics of the of
that fight were I wanted you guys to feel like you were on a
very fast moving car and mutantswere like flying in and running
next to the car. And so outside of the car was
very much like a, an area that was not sustainable for you to

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jump out and be like in there because Ben's probably going
like he could, you know, throughthe subway tunnels, maybe 607080
mph, you know, in these, some ofthese mutants were like keeping
up with them and slowing them down a little bit.
But like, part of it was like, I'm going to keep adding mutants
that are, there's a few mutants that are like going to come in
after initiatives. And then there was a few mutants

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that could reach out and latch on to Ben and possibly grapple
him. And then there was a mutant that
could vomit acid all over you. I think the poison the is like a
venom troll is the stat block for that one.
But the the mechanics, the the mechanics of the of the actual
encounter were just outside the car, bad in the car, good things

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fighting you. And so you don't want to be
outside the car. If you can like hit something
and it goes prone, then that's good for you because it just
gets left in the dust. And that's what happened was I
think the big giant 3 legged onewith the two faces, the one that
was like screaming and the one that was like yelling.
I think that Paolo was able to like flip it off and flip it on

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its back or something. He's.
Not enough? Kind of probably.
More simple than yeah, yeah, flipped of the bird.
Yeah. So that that that's kind of a
basic idea that was turned into an encounter that was going to
be pretty flexible based on how you guys did it, if that answers

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your question on what the mechanics were.
What about the like the, the, the, the initial like racing
ones, like when we were trying to get like beat the gate.
Oh, opening and closing. What's up?
What was going on there? Ben was going to be able to stop
in front of the gate. Yeah.
I just wanted to see if it how many times it took to actually
get through the the gate as it started because it was like

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boop, boop, boop, beep and then it had to roll initiative.
You just had to beat ADC 18. It's like Mario Kart, he had to
put his foot on the gas on the and of two between the second
third. Beep and.
So yeah, just a fun thing where it where I wanted to see if it
was going to take multiple timesto get through, not necessarily

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anything planned that would havegone, you know, wrong course of
both Ben and Paolo rolled in that one or something, you know,
on the. Initiative.
You know, there's always, there's always opportunities for
things like that when you allow some, some dice rolls that don't
necessarily have, you know, major mechanical changes,

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alterations to the story. The other.
I'm sorry, I don't know why I'm coughing so much.
Put down the cigar. Why are you smoking?
While you're recording, you're. Coughing.
It's not the cigar. I don't inhale the cigar.
Well, you just. Inhaling it, that's the problem.
That's the fucking you don't know how to smoke them.

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Kyle, I've told you this 1000 times.
The other, the other question, yeah, Mav had AI think you
mentioned Mav's question else about that.
There's a couple things about like, but what would have
happened in this in the tunnels and this in the tunnels?
The first thing that was a possibility was once the once

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the mutants showed up, that had the fear effect.
And that was like once you started to see everything,
everybody had to make a wisdom saving throw.
And the DC was only 11 and Ben had a + 7.
But if he would have failed that, he would have stopped in
the middle of the mutants. And I mean the the plan was for

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you guys to get overwhelmed and possibly have.
And then die. Kihachi, step in.
So you think about it, this is the only part of Hihachi's plan
that he's not directly involved in.
Every other part, All the guns, all the AI, he's watching, he's
in control of everything. It's just this mutant tunnel
part that he has nothing involved in.

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And so so you think Kihachi probably has a decent sized like
force of AI above ground to maybe intervene if needed.
And that was possibly going to happen.
I may or may not have written down like if this happens there

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probably needs to be some character deaths before someone
steps in. Is maybe something I had written
down so but just because it would have been like
overwhelming but who knows Who knows how it would have gone.
And there was no chance to like befriend these mutants.
Like these are different than the ones that they wouldn't
like. There's no chance they would
have like started beating the shed of them and then be like

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wait a second, this big green dude might be my savior and like
slowed. Down.
Yeah, they they did not recognize.
Yeah, him and the other, they were not on.
Because I didn't have my hype people with me yet.
Yeah, that's true. The message, never mind.

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I can't say anything because that's I forgot where we are in
the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they are not so they so correct.
They weren't. They would not have recognized
here as El Salvador at this point.
But but yeah, there was that when Ben could have just stopped
or if the mutants had overwhelmed you all, it was

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supposed to feel pretty much hopeless if that was going to be
the case. And, and, and there was a low
chance of that happening just based on at least Ben's first
role. He would have had a role for low
lower or he has to roll 4 something which so he could have
he could have failed that you guys would have been stuck in
the middle of all the mutants and then yeah.

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And it would have. Yeah, it it.
That would have been a short individual story.
Right. Yeah, but.
If he died, would Namby and Emtero still have been able to
like get to the AI world and save it with no hue there
theoretically? I have an answer for that

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question that I'm not going to answer well.
I think it fits probably more atthe end, like of the second
episode, I think, but yeah. No, it's yeah, I don't.
Yeah, there's a, there's maybe answers to questions that that
maybe, yeah, I probably won't ever be able to answer that
question, but. Ever.

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Like we don't even ever I. Don't think so sometimes OK, I
love the chaser episodes becauseI love I I love being able to
see behind the DM screen a little bit and see how the story
goes and and see how how decisions are made sometimes and
how things could have gone. But there are some things that

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do need to be held close to the chest in order to maintain some
level of not illusion, but magic.
I guess you know what I mean. I.
Know that's why they call him the magic man but.
They call me the Magic Man, Dazzle Davidson.
So we just need to get Kyle drunk when we're over at his
house one time. Just get carrying on it and get

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all of the secrets out then. Listen, if you want to see Kyle
drunk, you just go into his office any work day around 3:00.
PM Okay my office before he. Drives home.
Classic Doctor stuff. Yeah, Namby and and I'm Tyro,

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Scott and Brooke. How did you guys, was it
interesting listening to an episode that you weren't in?
Like, is it? Did it?
Did it feel very strange to justhave to listen to Hugh's story,
or how did that feel? It was weird, like being able to
listen and it was kind of exciting because it was like

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being like a listener but havinglike advanced knowledge of what
was going on. Sort of like because we weren't
in the dark. It kind of felt like like,
obviously it's that way when yourecord the episodes, but for
some reason as like a listener, it's more like, oh, I know
things that other people don't know.
I feel that although I wasn't able to not, I still jumped into

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the first episode because he wasbeing such a such a sad boy
about himself so I couldn't resist jumping in.
I forgot about. I was tempted to do so as well
because I think at some point itmight have got cut out of the
episode, but at some point someone was like Namby, Like,
you know, is Namby's voice goingto come out and inspire?

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Me, but I was like. I think it's when she.
Summoned the when she summoned the ink thing, I think somebody
was like, oh, what would namby say?
But then we were like, well, they don't talk anyway.
I know what are the chances I. Loved the summoned namby.
It was just so perfect. I feel like Hugh needed it, and
I feel like the guys were like, we got to give him something.

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He's holding down by a thread. It was so nice.
Yeah, I loved that. Yeah, very heartwarming.
And just like of course, Becca would roll like the most
appropriate character for the moment.
Well, very heartwarming, but then also extra potential for
devastation as you said. Like if Namby gets got by some

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mutant like he's going to go insane.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, very true.
That anything, any other favorite moments from this
episode that anybody has before I move on to the next episode?
I just like getting all the I like getting all the crowning AI
achievement people, their littlelike introduction and their

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hideout. I just like the.
I like the feel of that scene of.
Going. Through and everyone's got the
their own little alcove within the clubhouse.
That's their spot, you know, I like that kind of stuff.
RIP to Dasher, by the way. Was that just because it would
be hard to have one of Scott's characters around with Scott

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playing a different character? Like different but.
Scott wasn't even in these episodes I feel.
Definitely played into the thoughts.
True. Yeah.
Definitely plays into plays intoit that like hey I'm Scott's in
every single one of these stories so do I make him play 2
NPCS for all these stories that.Would be crazy to have to do
that. That would be crazy.
Madness. I will say I was happier having

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Dasher be dead than having, oh, Kyle's getting a drink.
Well, I'm going to talk over it anyway.
But happier having Dasher be dead than be used as, you know,
some play thing and as and for the ooze, like yeah, freaking
Tawad or I guess yeah, or L10 even in a way.
And we find out in Episode 9, Chapter 9.

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Yeah, it's at the end of the next.
One. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I. Do I would say like So he asked
you guys how it felt to like, you know, lurk in the
background. I felt more nervous with you 2
like listening and I knew like you would be messaging each
other more nervous. We never we never said a word to

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each other. The whole quietly in our own
offices, not discussing the. Not acknowledging each other's
existences? No.
And we kept that silence throughout everyone else's
episodes of. Course yes, I assumed you 2
would never have said a word during mine, I'm sure.

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Right, I don't. I only talk to Becca when it's
on a recording. We don't actually know each
other. You guys have?
The same system as me and Kyle where you just pretend to be
friends on the podcast. We're podcast friends.
We're not real friends. Yeah, we have to keep it fresh
for the podcast. Otherwise, I think you even said
this once about you and Kyle, Like if we hang out outside,
we're not going to have any of this.

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You know? The hell else is there left?
To say yeah, we sit in silence in.
Person. Yeah, You know, you got to.
You got to save it for the moneymaker.
You got to earn that $10 a monthor no one's going to have the
podcast. Paid to be here.
We are all paid to be here, which is why, yeah, we got to
save that good, good podcast juice.

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So Kyle, I was going to say I like in the moment, had no clue.
Like me, Becca had no clue what was going on and Hugh definitely
didn't know what was going on with all of like the insurance
and outs of the world. But I think it was really
impressive. Like, I really liked listening
back to it and kind of appreciating it in hindsight of
like just the level of detail that you put into these and

(24:58):
these encounters and, and movingthrough with the the little
racing encounter and going across the bridge and all of
those. Yeah.
Job well done DM. Thank you.
Yeah, I think, I think one thingthat I really like about DM ING
and and Dungeons and Dragons andI guess in general with some
things is just like trying to push my limitations and do

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different things. And I've only been playing D&D
for like, what, maybe five yearsat this point?
Have I been playing for five years?
Gosh. Did he start 20?
Or I don't know. We can probably go to an old
made for TV podcast episode and find you mentioning playing the
first time he did so. When was when did you first
play? Like when did you guys first

(25:42):
start? I always link it up with the
beginning of Arcindale because Iknow that person Brooke and
Tyler started but. The very first time I played was
with Brian. You know the DM has been on done
a few adventures for for us. He was my first DM, the 1st.
Time ever played? And that was in residency with a
few other residents. And that group was fun.
It only lasted for, like, you know, three or three sessions

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because we were residents and wecould never schedule together.
It was a ridiculous notion to even try.
But it was great because it got me in.
And then Scott and I joined a campaign with him.
And yeah, and that was, I don't even know.
I don't even know. So when that was 2019 or 2020 I
think. Is that the one you guys are

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still playing now? I feel like we couldn't have
started playing during like the COVID pandemic, right?
Like it couldn't have been 2020.I feel like it was like during
2020 or something, Maybe 2021. I mean, I graduated residency in
2020. That's right.
You said it's a bunch of doctors.
We know this whole thing's a hoax.

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It's safe. We can play.
That's the DND. That was a text you sent me.
Exactly. You checked yourself with sugar
water. You'll be.
Fine. So anyways, yeah, so I, I like
to to try and do new fun things and, and new, I find it exciting
as a player when there's some new type of encounter and always

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trying to figure out how to makecombat encounters fun and
exciting and cool. So thanks.
I appreciate that. It was a lot of fun to like put
it together and say, what does like a street race underground
look like when there's only one car and there's, you know,
environmental effects that are happening or, you know, mutants?
So. And then you're setting yourself
up perfectly for Vin Diesel references.

(27:32):
I mean you just as Adm, you get to go.
And now here's my joke. Yeah, and here's.
My joke. I wrote it.
It's like. Direct don't matter if you get
away by an inch or a mile, right?
Like something like that don't matter.
If you win by an inch or a mile,yeah.

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So on to the next episode. Corrupted file Chapter 9.
And so this was the episode where you guys made it across
the bridge and bought the giant multi armed mutant that came out
from the ground, destroyed that mutant, obliterated it.
In like a really boring, really boring way that was just like.

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Yeah, boring normal way with the.
Like 8 rounds of slow, arduous combat.
To get rid of it. It's so funny that that happened
with the bionic legs or whatever, because literally we
were talking about before any ofthese episodes were recorded.
Becca and I were talking outsidethe podcast because we were
lying earlier and we are friendsin real life and you and you

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were like, if I crit on this, that would be like, oh, that's
however many dice. Like we literally talked about
it. And then of course.
Yeah, It was at Drag Race time. It was like when I was texting
with Kyle about it, and I was like, oh man, Can you imagine?
Yeah. And it's more like when you crit
on it because, you know, becauseit just happens at least.
Yeah, it's it's wild. Wild that it happened on that

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turn. Amazing.
I just love the image of Hugh going up in the clouds and.
Getting a breath of fresh air, yeah.
Yeah, he did have a second wherehe saw the the smog was clear
over New Lisbon City. So that was the only hint I
think that I gave you the entiretime.
Because something was off. Yeah, it was right.
Before you guys. Watched that.
It's like, yeah, it was like, oh, there's some smog.

(29:24):
It's not around the actual wherethe city is.
And then he plummets back down and destroys that giant mutant,
which is very cool. Yeah.
Yeah, I killed Kyle. Did I?
Did I kill Paulo's boys? Paulo's boys that, that's,
that's. Fused into one huge.

(29:45):
Mutant. Fucking.
No, they were long gone. They were long dead.
These mutants are are are the the not answer descendants?
Yeah, the mutants. Must not have long lifespans,
right? Like what?
Do they live like five years andlike bud into another one?
Preserve them. Yeah, they're like lunch.

(30:06):
The the longest of them lived 30years is what I had come up
with. So the the longest any of them
had lived, like the older ones, like my Shamo is probably 25,
you know, like that was, you know, and she was like an elder.
30 does basically feel like the end of life, so that makes
sense, yeah. But yeah, it was fun because

(30:29):
like, like calling it the I curve, that's this, this fluid
from, you know, the factories and plants of New Lisbon.
That's like those that Iker likeis like demon Iker is like a
thing. So like that's what it does like
demon Iker. When demon dies and it's outside
of the abyss, it just becomes Iker.

(30:51):
And then it like if you touch it, you get mutated.
So if part of this was fun to fun for me to like be on earth
and say what? Like if, like, what was an
equivalent thing on Earth, that would be like a troll, and that
would be the mutants. The mutants were all basically
we're all reflavored trolls. Yeah, you.

(31:12):
Hear that, Becca? You're a fucking mutant.
You're a mutant. I mean, I am.
Let's just be real. You're like the opposite of
Wolverine. I don't know how to describe
you. You're.
Acceptable to everything? Yes, I catch all of everything.

(31:32):
Yeah, like this isn't the case, but personally I like the the
notion that like Earth is way inthe past and that eventually
after years and years would become like a fantasy world that
has magic and you know that that's like my own like interest
that that's not true, but but like with the world that.
I this is your world, Kyle. Anything can be true.

(31:55):
Right, like Faye runes actually Earth, but like so many years
it's. Like another Pangea?
Haven't happened, but. Yeah, yeah, This was the episode
you guys made across the bridge,defeated the mutant and went
into New Lisbon to reconnect with Paulo's friend Mouse and
join the resistance. And everything went perfectly.
And happily ever after. One thing I think happened the

(32:19):
first episode we talked about that didn't get mentioned was
Viper's sister via the sending spell, right, that was.
Having at 20 on the sending spell.
Yeah. And like, yeah, that was just so
much more. I feel like that was so amazing
that that happened because then it's so much more devastating

(32:40):
when you're like. And that was.
That was like AIAI. Talking to you.
You were talking. To put me on the spot for a
second. You know, and she like casted
the sending spell. I'm like, uh oh.
She's contacting her sister. Did you?
Just get like a fax signal noiseback.

(33:04):
But But yeah, that was, I was. So I was so looking forward to
seeing how that was going to go,if it was going to go over well.
And yeah, it was. Was that a slow burn, like
figuring out what's going on foryou, Becca?
Is it something that was like immediate?
Because I think it was a slow burn for a lot of the players on

(33:25):
it was. It was pretty slow burn on like
I guess it had not crossed my mind as even like a possibility
at first. So I wasn't building off of it
and like, yeah, I did not pick up on it for a long time and I
kept debating if I just needed to book it out, like just run
away myself because as there's Islowly like turning AI or being

(33:48):
revealed as AI was like, fuck, Ihave no, I have no one here.
And so I strongly debated just being like, yeah, he books it
runs for the tunnel, like not even waiting.
I. Think was the first one to get
revealed and I was like I fully for like 30 seconds was like

(34:10):
holy crap, Matt Mav was in on itand like knew the whole time.
I was like Beck is going to be so bad.
But then Mav started to spiral and I was like, oh, OK, he
didn't know there was. A moment I thought all of them
were in on it and I was like, you motherfucker.
So mean, I I got into play to going that way with it because

(34:32):
like, yeah, but including them. But at least I knew that, that,
that I, I, I felt like I know Mav is a player enough to know
that he was going to love the idea that.
Yeah, get some. Surprise, there was like and
because I had talked with him quite a bit about cyberpunk

(34:53):
world because I am not a cyberpunk enthusiast or I
haven't seen a whole lot of cyberpunk content, I don't know
the. World, you're a neophyte, so.
I'm a neophyte. What do neophytes do?
They look for the the seasoned fights, the the old elder
fights, right? I'll tell you.
I'll tell you what neophytes do.They, they, they complete their

(35:16):
training with Morpheus. That's what.
That's what you. Have I was like, yeah, which
which matrix joke we going with here?
I couldn't think of the name of the password guy Serif.
That's what I wanted to go with.The guy from Matrix Reloaded.
Who says you do not truly know someone until you fight them.
I was. That's what I wanted to make a
reference, two guys, just so youall know.

(35:37):
OK, Julie noted. But yeah, so the the so who?
So who's to blame for all the characters not knowing that
they're AI? It's it's really math because he
suggested that I watch that I watch a Blade Runner
204920402040 something. I'd seen the first one, but the
second one, I I watched that oneand then the ideas just started

(36:01):
flowing in of like, OK, what like what if you were AI like
what, what is your purpose? What is like, you know, what,
how would that feel to like findout that your character that you
thought you were is, has been dead for hundreds of years or
175 years? And then then I got obsessed
with the idea and thought it wasgoing to go over well.

(36:23):
And I think it did. Overall was a very fun reveal,
very fun reveal for me to, to dothat and further dormant.
Poor Hugh. It was, yeah.
I mean, like when Hugh, when younarrated Hugh looking down and
seeing that the vomit was an oilspill, I just like me.
Becca started to hyperventilate where I was just like, I got to

(36:45):
get Hugh out. I got to get you away from I.
Got to get you out like save my boy.
I got to save my baby boy. I was horrible.
I hate everyone. But yeah, and so there was for
this segment, there's a few questions about where, where

(37:09):
could the story have gone, right?
So at the end of this, they all had to make a Wisdom save or
they were stunned and incapacitated.
And he, Hachi was bringing out acouple attack centuries to
attack you, to take him down andto take you away, to use the
ablax to take your memories and put it all into an AI body and

(37:32):
dispose of Hugh's organic body and create an AI version of
Hugh. That is what Hehachi wanted to
do and add Hugh to his diverse in quotes world of personalities
of AIS, right your own like a a single AI entity.
And and that didn't happen. That didn't happen because Paulo

(37:55):
had an amazing role to succeed. And then I had some pretty bad
attack century roles, just classic terrible roles on my
part for their attacks. So it really didn't have a
chance once the encounter was going with you and Paulo and was
and Ben and Ben was up. And I figured Ben might have

(38:18):
been up because his wisdom saveswere really good.
But but yeah, that was that was a crazy encounter for me because
I really thought it would go in one of three ways.
I thought the most likely was that they were going to fail on
their saves and and he would be taken down and and the end of

(38:40):
the episode would be Hugh, the lights going out for Hugh.
And then that's where we're going to end it.
That's what I thought was going to happen.
And I was like, OK, what if theywhat if they escape?
What if they go, what if they try to go into one of these
tubes that the centuries flew out of, or try to go deeper into
the new Lisbon city? What would that have looked

(39:02):
like? Well, you guys would have
escaped into the city and you would have seen what the new,
what new Lisbon city look like or new life city that was
underneath the city, separate from the Mutant caverns or
whatever. But he, Hachi had made this
entire AI city that's supposed to be like a haven where the

(39:25):
inhabitants knew that they were AI people and like some sort of
like model city, city like city on a hill for the rest of the
world because the rest of the world didn't know their AI.
So there's a whole, there's a whole city under New Life City
or in New Life City that I was like, well, I that it could turn
to that where you guys are suddenly in this foreign city

(39:47):
surrounded by regular AI people.What was going to happen there
didn't happen. I don't know.
And then third, I was like, well, I guess maybe if they
escape, maybe they'll escape through the tunnel and go out
and join the mutants. And then that's what happened.
Wow. And all because of, probably

(40:10):
mostly because of Paulo's roll to save on that, to save on
that, because after that, then the the, the balance of the
encounter was totally flipped after that.
Wow, interesting. But it was it was fun for me
because I didn't have anything planned after the episode yet

(40:31):
because I didn't know. I knew that there was a chance
for it to go a couple different ways.
So I had some ideas. I think, yeah, Mav like it, like
it asked like some specifics on like what would have happened.
Would could he have accepted he Hachi's offer and traded in an
organic body for a synthetic 1? I like that question.
I don't think Kihachi was going to let Hugh know that he had a

(40:54):
synthetic body. So it would I don't think he
would have been be like, yeah, sure.
Like take me and I'll be an AII.Don't think that.
Even if you could have, that would have been so ridiculously
out of character for you to evermake that decision in.
A realm you like, you wouldn't even have to come up with a
contingency for that, because there's no fucking way it would
have ever been. No way.

(41:15):
There's no no way like even me Becca just got sweaty thinking
about the possibility of Hugh turning into an AI as like a
legit option that you thought was going.
I know. Insanidate I was just.
Like Oh my God, I think he wouldrather just die.
Like be dead. There's just no.
So here's so here's so he also asked like, what if they'd gone

(41:35):
to Lisbon city? Like what if, you know, what if
you had died or or whatever in that scenario?
So I'll tell you the the way thethings I was considering the
first was if so, let's say he would had gone down to the the a
centuries. What I had in my mind was going
to be the the entire the entire thing would have kind of

(41:55):
changed. You know, I, I think somebody, I
don't remember if it for some reason, I feel like it was Mav
that said this at one point, butI'm not sure.
Another DM said this, I think, but DND is the way I approach
some things in DND is the map kind of loads as your character
goes into an area. And so the story can change
based on how things move and howcharacters react to things and

(42:20):
that you go into a new environment.
Suddenly the story is totally different.
So what I had in mind was like aprison break type thing in New
Lisbon City where the inside thefactory where they're turning AI
or turning humanoids into AI. And MTR and Namby, if they made
it out of their stories, were going to have to come in and

(42:40):
kind of do this like rescue scenario in this place.
And I had in my mind more of a Matrix vibe to this.
So there was going to be, I had an idea for a kind of a bullet
time mechanic or magic item thatlike kind of froze things and
you'd have to dodge through likebullets if they were like coming
through, you know, had some likeideas for that.

(43:02):
And then now I just I'm imagining.
They'd be jumping up through like all the bullets and bullet
time. Yeah, and.
Then I would have loved to have seen Mamby jump off of a missile
at. Some point.
Oh my gosh, yeah. So I think that the story would
have been more like Matrix EF ifthat was the case, if that would
have happened. And then I had another another

(43:25):
thought that I had, which I don't think I was going to end
up going this direction. And I think it'll sound even
more wild just trying to explainit.
But I had the thought of they were going to rescue Hugh while
he was being transported there. And I was going to talk to you,
Becca before this. And then Becca is here.
You're going to be like, no, we have there's someone we have to
save. And then you'd go through and

(43:47):
then end up saving queue and youguys realized that you rescued
the AI version of you. So Becca, you would have been
leading them to organic queue ona. 2nd a second AI LED you
somewhere fake out. Yeah, I was like in my head, I
was like, that seems like too much.
I'll think about it. That seems like an extra layer

(44:07):
that's not necessary. That's so funny.
That's something I would have brought up to you possibly
Becca's like, hey, what if you what if they, like, rescued you
in the very first part of the episode, but you knew that you
were the AI version and you helped them rescue their organic
friend Hugh. Yeah.
Was Kyle, Was Kyle seeding all of this with the El Salvador

(44:28):
name? OSI don't know.
Just think about it. Just think about it.
Yeah, I've been really funny optics if he was like strapped
on a conveyor belt of death as like M Tiro's drinking with Zaz
in the fake one. I mean, that's already kind of
the equivalent of what's going on.

(44:49):
Yeah, Nanny's off flirting with River M Tiro's getting drunk
with Zaz, and he was just like, fuck everything.
M Tiro just brings the party with him.
I can't help it that that's how things work out for him.
Yeah. Yeah.
So, so it was, it was fun for meto have you guys end up with the

(45:10):
mutants and then me having to kind of load the map at that
point and say, OK, what's how does the, how does the story go
from here? And so sometimes I feel like
that takes away the maybe takes away the magic of the
storytelling, but I feel like that's how TTRPG is run and
that's the brand of storytellingthat it is.

(45:31):
And I think it's a very unique, unique way of how things can
happen and how dice can change things so totally.
Thanks for not making me an AI. Thanks Mav.
Yeah. And then I think only other
questions from the AI things were what Becca, you asked who

(45:57):
are these interesting Australians who could have gone
and lived with? I think you have the answer to
that now. I think you get the answer to
that in the next. Couple we talk about it in a
couple of episodes so we can we can pause on that one.
Yeah, I also we need to just have a talk about you need to

(46:18):
make protect L10 moving forward because there are certain
characters that are sacred. Sweet little robot.
Boy and tiny baby. Sweet tiny baby boys that just
want to help are are off the table Sir.
And make little helpful buddies and he just tries.
To ruin them. Oh my goodness, now he's leave

(46:39):
them all alone. Because that was when did we
find out? At the end of this episode, of
this episode, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
When after the AI? Revealed.
He actually tells them all aboutit.
During his monologue during. His Oh yeah, he gives them the
memory. That's right.
He restores the memory. Yes, another.

(47:00):
Thing like I. Know back to this goes back to
Dasher really this goes back to Dasher and all of Scott's
characters. It's like, what do I do with all
these all of Scott's characters in these stories, right?
First adventure I, you know, turned to odd evil, which is
like, which which is like a criminal offense to do that
anyways, Right. Correct.
Yeah. And then I have this place like,

(47:23):
OK, we have Dasher. What what do I do with Dasher?
LL 10 really just made sense. Anybody that could have been
anybody's character. And for for what was what I was
building this. That's what made sense to have L
10 be involved in this. And so I think it ultimately.
Made sense, I agree. Yeah, not totally makes sense.

(47:44):
I felt betrayed and hurt, but itwas fun.
I loved it because I think at that point we had already maybe
discussed that we were going to do something with an L10 cuz or
maybe we discussed it right after for the fire one, I cannot
remember but. Yeah, it was like right around
that time. It was like around the same.
Time talking about it, yeah. We were talking about doing

(48:05):
something and bringing in another L unit for the Pirates,
so I was like, he's just showingup everywhere, my guy, right?
He's all over the place. I do like Matt's question about
how how have you changed all of your combat encounter?
How how have you changed all of your combat encounters to
account for the fact that Becca has set and broken two different
high damage records based on crits?

(48:26):
I haven't changed the. I haven't changed them just.
Like more damage that I get to do with my my extra features.
So like, yeah. I think to like balance your
three attacks you get for every turn is to just have every
monster as an AC of 25 now so so.
That fucking flame story. Yeah, 25 won't stop her.

(48:48):
What are you saying? No?
She'll miss one of her three. She'll miss one of her three
attacks, yeah. I get to, I think it's now like
a + 10 that I'm up to to all of my attacks.
So sure. And I shouldn't comment on
Hugh's build because it's very good build.
You have I mean +5 to Constitution, which means that
you get. I thought you meant his
physique. I thought we were just going to

(49:10):
start on both the. Thirsting for you.
Thirsting for you. He's he's understandable.
He's 7 foot 11. He's not 8 foot.
Right. Yeah, he's 711.
Yeah, I'd. Like to slurp him up.
Except with in the AI world he gets the extra inch because oh.
That's true. He gets that extra.
It's actually he's 711 1/2 and River beats him out because she

(49:33):
wears slightly heeled boots usually, but his his extra leg,
Yeah, bumps him up to 8. That's.
Right. Really should have explored his
encounter with the AI prostitutein the in the the the hologram
in the very beginning. I think we could have gone down
that path. Yeah, you know what?
This is a really big hindsight thing, Kyle, but it would have

(49:54):
been great if you had like an Old West like sex worker
approach you as well if you justmade that a recurring theme that
different versions of sex workers keep approaching you
from. Writing.
Something down, Yeah. And it would kind of fit in well
with where we are now too. So there we go.
That's so. Funny yeah I really love like

(50:18):
Hughes character build and and like it it's very just like fun
to play 'cause I was nervous picking a fighter.
I've never played a Marshall character before, so I I'm very.
Only play well in our campaign at home, you play an artificer
that has three attacks as well because you have the you have
thick. Yeah, thick my.
Dog, your dog made out of class supplies.

(50:42):
So I feel like that's all I eversee is you just slam it away.
Wailing on things, Yeah. My Ranger also has a little
buddy that makes us so she gets three attacks too.
Becca is not a min maxer in the traditional sense but she's like
oh that's cool we'll do that. And then it's like she is like
the most busted ass like way strong character ever.

(51:02):
I very much like, follow the shiny object as I'm building my
characters where I'll be like reading a book and like, oh,
what's that? Let's do that.
Let's put this in, too. How about that over there?
So yeah, he was very funny because I was nervous.
Yeah, he's great. And I was going to bring up the
you have a constitution of five,which means that your Echo

(51:22):
Knight gets to use that like attack like. 5I.
Think that's how it works. So it's like that.
I think that I don't know if that recharges on a short or
long rest, but it makes it so you basically can do that extra
attack like all the time. Yeah, it's really nice.
I've only run out of them twice I think, and it was like right
towards the end of an arc both times.

(51:44):
So it hasn't hindered me. Yeah, it's been really fun.
I was nervous because everyone always talks about like, oh, you
just you just hit things as a asa fighter and that's all you get
to do and it's boring. I don't know.
He's he's been very fun, yeah. Any other thoughts on the AI
stuff before we get on to Memtiro and Namby's episodes?

(52:07):
Did you pick the AI world? Because it would literally be he
was worst nightmare to to be in.Yes, it's all for you.
Ever since ever since you sent me Hughes character sheet, I've
been writing and writing throwing darts at the wall at
his picture. I hate you.
If you had to write AI don't hate you, I promise letter to

(52:28):
me. I think that there.
Is I Did I forget what that was?But.
I don't remember what that was about it.
Was it was after this? It was after this.
Was it after this? Oh.
That yeah, because. Because I was expecting you to
go down and then you'd be like, what the heck, Kyle?
Like what? What the heck?
That's what I was expecting. I was saying, oh goodness, what
the heck, I give you my character back.

(52:51):
I picked the. I picked the the the cyberpunk
world because it felt the most different.
I felt like going through these different stories calls for
going through the the most kind of wild scenarios and cyberpunk
or space fit that for me. And cyberpunk just fit that a
little bit more. Where it was that far out is

(53:12):
also a stretch for me. And like I mentioned earlier,
I'm always trying to, I feel like it's, I feel like if
there's a challenge that, that Iwant to try and tackle that
challenge. And and and boy oh boy is the
side. That's why Kyle is announcing
that he is entering the UFC tournament and he will become
the greatest fighter in the world.

(53:35):
Call me. That's why they call me
neophyte. That's my name, baby.
Yeah. Dazzle Davidson coming up to the
ring, everybody. But but yeah, the, the, the, the
AI stuff is like, wow, because you got the Technome answers
textbook, which is phenomenal, but it's like 200 and some pages

(53:56):
and, and it's just like, OK, they're in the AI world.
What do all of Viper spells do? And it's like, oh, crap, I have
to read her spells because I need to know because I, because
it's like I need to figure out how to make them worth it when
she's able to cast something that I feel like I haven't
accounted for. But yeah, so that was I I chose

(54:17):
it because it felt like it made the most sense going from a
Western world to just. Crazy.
The polar opposite. Yeah.
Yeah, it was. Really.
Which you all could have been together for.
Did any part of you want to makeit so you turned into a little
kid dressed up on Halloween though?
I mean. Decided to stay away from the
holiday world. So fun.

(54:39):
That would have been really fun if Hugh, if Hugh wound up at
Christmas land, I thought he waslike a Grinch or something too
like that would. Oh my.
God. That's so cute.
So cute. I'm adding a three to seven.
More. Episodes to the to the campaign.
I know. Yeah.
We're just going to keep recording for the next year,
right? Oh my goodness.
We're. Going through them all.

(55:02):
We are not we're. This is.
Yeah. So yeah, should I?
Yeah, I'm not going to announce how many episodes total just in
case it changes, because I'm pretty sure how many episodes
total we're going to have. But I.
Don't know if you've ever once correctly predicted how many
episodes it was going to take toget through an art, so we
probably shouldn't announce. I'm not great at at predicting

(55:28):
time or episodes. I make too many promises that I
now know are just flat flat. Promises.
I can guarantee you one thing, unless he TPKS it will be more
episodes than what he says. That's what I.

(55:50):
Will tell you. So no one has any reason to be
upset if he guesses it will be alowball.
Last thing I will say about this, and this goes back almost
all the way to where you were talking about how cool it was
the character introductions in the garage and just going and
seeing their little space in their hideout.

(56:12):
The the players made this world come alive.
You know, when I texted them and, you know, said, hey, First
off, it was firstly, Mav helped create this where I was like,
hey, you know, like if everything would have like gone
wrong in the original story, what would have like happened in
the world? Like that was literally my

(56:33):
question to him to like help us to, for me to brainstorm him
with him together to figure out like what the world looks like.
And he was like, well, yeah. I mean, the world's owned by
corporations. So if a city goes down, a major
corporation goes down, they literally just see it as a
competitor going away and they're going to stay out of it.
And so it was like this great. It was it was so great for him

(56:56):
to like basically tell me how cyberpunk world like operates
and works so that I could say, OK, cool, what if that happened?
And then 175 years passes and they I take over the world, you
know? So but they really made this
world like come alive and like jumped head first into character
creation. And you will see more of that in
the next couple in the upcoming episodes as you listen.

(57:18):
But yeah, major thanks to the toto Mav Mav, Kitty and Landy on
on just making their characters come alive and and making the
story come alive. Yeah, it was really cool getting
to work with them because I knewMav from before and then I was
like starting to get to know Landy right about the time that

(57:40):
this started, and it was really fun.
I'd never met Kitty before and they just.
Yeah, they, I, I was only hearing bits and pieces because
they were doing secret things with you and and with each
other. But it was really cool just to
see like how into it they were and to get to know them and and
work with them in this. And it's so cool when like,

(58:02):
Kitty shows up and like. Make.
Yeah. It's.
So good. Really cool.
Any last thoughts on these, on the cyberpunk, these episodes
before moving on? Last Call, Last call.
Let's move on then to chapter 10.
A wild twist. You goes into the caverns

(58:26):
surrounded by mutants, and then we are back into the past, into
the story, into Emtero's story. And this episode was Emtero kind
of coming to life, I suppose, like really remembering what
truly happened at the beginning with an interaction with William

(58:51):
and Thwick. This is the first time that
William shows up. Huge amounts of Lord dumped our
first lots of Lord dumps. Yes, lots of Lord dumps dumped
you. Spent a while just one-on-one,
like just yeah, Kyle. A large portion of that was
because I forced him to do the. Magic.

(59:11):
I love that. And in this one it was like, oh
crap, I have a guest. I have to get through this
episode. That's in my mind.
I'm like, but this is awesome. Yes, we have to.
I'm so glad you forced me to do that 'cause.
I told Becca, I fully thought that we actually used the box
and hell hath no fury, and we just did it.
Yeah, when I was editing, I was like, why didn't Kyle tell me to

(59:31):
use the music from the original episode?
Let me go find whatever we did in that episode.
And I was like, oh, we just fucking skipped past it.
We didn't do it. Didn't do it.
Yeah, 'cause everyone was like, I kind of have my own aesthetic.
Thanks. Yeah.
Yeah. No one wanted to just play
around with. I felt so bad.
Was like I was like anyone. Anyone want to use?
It, I mean, I normally would have, but Diandra felt like the
character least likely to changeup her look of my characters.

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But for this episode, though, I will say before we move on and I
forget, there was a special challenge for both the material
and Namby's episodes in that when we originally recorded
Chapter 7, Kyle, you had me and Namby rejoin the table when we
did that recording and gave us the rundown on everything that
was happening. But we decided to cut that out

(01:00:18):
because it'd be more dramatic and for Chapter 7 to just end
with. Hugh alone in the cyberpunk
world that's right that way. So it was like a little bit of
how do we introduce it because we recorded chapter 10 not
knowing that we were going to make that decision anyway.
And so I but it ended up workingout fine to just what I did for

(01:00:40):
Namby's and mine. Just putting the previously on
before the intro for those episodes as like a soft little,
oh, Emtero's back and Namby's back, you know, like way.
To I think that worked out. I think that worked out really
well. And that's how that's what your
suggestion was because, because yeah, made that moment more

(01:01:00):
dramatic. I'm I am glad that it we did it
in the moment because I think itwas I wanted you guys that it.
Was good in the moment for me, Brooke to know.
You know that you guys weren't like dead and gone.
I feel like it was even more emotionally devastating because
it was just like, that was such a long record and it was like
everything was happening at the end.
And we like, like it would have been dramatic to be like, OK,

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you're gone and you don't know what's going on.
But I feel like even having likejust like a little bit of
knowing what was coming like forus at teasers was like good to
have and like made it even like more nerve wracking.
But I agree for like a listener that like, I think it's you have
that dramatic of like, when are they coming back?
Yeah, the magic of editing, the magic of the podcast.

(01:01:44):
So so yeah, that was pretty cool.
But this episode was you talkingwith them and then going to the
Fay Wild, meeting up with Zaz and and fighting some bullywugs
and beating your real father. But let's let's go back.
My my one of my favorite things was when the Thwick and Williams

(01:02:06):
plan was to get you to the fave out to get you to the wedding.
And I was like, how do I make this a role that like won't
fail? You know, like, like, yeah, it
just won't fail. And so I was like, OK, I think I
don't have it in front of me, but I think Thwick gives you a
scroll of teleport teleportationor he I think he has to you

(01:02:29):
casted it now I'm gonna have to just pull it up.
But but he was going to give youadvantage on it.
He did. He gave me.
I had like triple advantage on the fucking.
Yeah, you had help on it and then William casted Fortunes
Favor, which allows you to reroll a D20 after the fact in
like expended use. So it allowed you to roll it

(01:02:51):
with advantage and then roll again with like a guidance I
think. What gave you guidance too?
There was a D4, yeah. Yeah, but you got I needed to
only roll like a seven or something and I rolled like
sixes and lower. I feel like on the mall it was I
was truly. 1 I think. Yeah, and I and I was truly
devastated because I did want togo to that wedding.

(01:03:13):
Like I wanted to be at the wedding ceremony so badly.
And it really bummed me out to not get to.
Yeah, but you got to talk to Christopher instead.
I did love that I got to talk tothat little fucking freak,
Christopher. I love it because like, I didn't
have this written now, but I waslike, OK, he's going to, he's
going to succeed so I don't haveto spend too much time on it.

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But what happens if he doesn't? Well, he's really far away from
everlooned, like he's in in neverwinters, where your M teros
office was and everlooned is where the wedding is and and and
Faye wild sort of connected. So I was like, well,
Christophers hole is like a weird is like a weird Faye Wilde

(01:03:55):
portal thing he's got going on. So so that'll work.
He'll just see Christopher and Christopher will invite him into
his hole to take him there. He's like, I don't think I would
have written down. So I was just like, oh crap.
If we hadn't had like a guest that I knew was waiting so I
felt like I was being guided toward where I was supposed to
go, there is no way I would havecrawled into that little freak's

(01:04:18):
hole like. Yeah.
Mt Rose Adventure is a whole newcome a whole new campaign MTR
trying to get to where it was supposed to go.
But it was just so great becauseyou're like, the whole, like,
relative, like, oh, it's very far, but it's actually very
close. Or like, you know, like, yeah,
just like classic Christopher just being like, nonsensical and

(01:04:41):
unclear. Deuce and unclear yes.
And I love that that you took the wand.
From him and actually. So hard.
Yeah. Immediately texted it and was
like he's taking the wand, he shouldn't take the.
Wand he just that was that was one of your questions Becca what

(01:05:03):
would happen if Mt would kept the wand from Christopher?
What would have changed in the wild love story?
And The funny thing is, is I didn't have.
I was like, well, Scott won't dolike when I was thinking about.
Scott certainly won't do this. Yeah, I was the one in.
I didn't. We all are correct.
He didn't right? He had a perfect plan and he I

(01:05:23):
loved. It was so perfect, too.
You did the stupid little Christopher logic with him.
Like, can I borrow this? Oh, here.
Look. Yeah, we have to trade it back.
Yeah, that's great that. Was really like on the spot it.
Was it really was, Yeah. Scott, did you, when you took
the wand, did you have like a plan for getting it back to
Christopher? Or did it?
No, I was only. I was absolutely.

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There's a point. Where you go?
Oh. Crap.
While while Kyle is narrating something and like I was like,
that's the moment he figured. Out where it was, I was just
like, whatever, I got to take the wand to get him to shut up
so I can move on to get to the guest or whatever.
And then, yeah, it was very much, oh, shit, yeah, This wand
was part of the story. What's, how do I give it back?
Well, Christopher has bullshit Christopher logic, so we'll just

(01:06:06):
trade it. Yeah.
And it does feel awkward when when you're in that and in your
position where you're like, oh, there's a there's a guest here
and I have to wait. And like, you know, Tyler, I had
prepped like, Hey, it's it mightbe a little while till we get to
you. And he was totally cool with
that. But like I remember with the
cloudy. He kept texting me, hurry up, I
want to play. Classic Tyler.

(01:06:31):
But that what happened in the cloudy with the chance of
fireballs thing with follow my out joining and like Scott and I
are like, when's it going to happen?
Like, yeah, like. That one, I think was that that
felt extra bad because neither of us were in control, but it
was our show, right? Right.
Yeah. One.
Yeah. So felt bad, but at least I knew
like well Kyle, he would know ifthis person really needed us to

(01:06:54):
get moving right? Like so I had some confidence
and if I had known it was Tyler,I would have luxuriated even
longer. I would.
Have made him wait like I had totry a few more outfits.
I have a question before we get too far into this.
So did you always plan to give the memories back, like, right

(01:07:14):
away? Because I think both Scott and
I, because you had given us the teaser that we cut out of the
actual show, I think both of us were kind of anticipating like,
oh, I have to play like a different version of my.
Character. I was very in my head worried,
like OK, how does Imtero act? Like he's basically Imtero but
he's got a whole different life like he's 6.

(01:07:36):
How do I play him a little bit more subdued?
And then, Oh no, it was just Imtero.
It wasn't something I really thought a ton about until you
guys got split up because I didn't know if it was going to
happen. I didn't know if, you know, I
was pretty sure that Emtero because like that the whole
OBLAC scenario with Emtero was pretty shady, you know, like
pretty like, you know, the Oblacs wants to change people's

(01:07:59):
memories. And it presented Emtero with
like a memory of him as a kid and like the his kid self
talking to himself and so technically counted as changing
a memory because he was like, hey, maybe I should go to ask my
mom, you know, more about it. But it was really like
subversive. It was not, you know, an obvious
like, hey, should you accept theoblix, like what the Oblix is

(01:08:21):
showing you or not? It was, you know, I, I pretty
much expected the material to todo what he did just because it
wasn't like that straightforwardof a of a choice.
You know, I didn't feel like I didn't feel like I didn't feel
like you as a player where it was was going to necessarily
understand totally what was going on.
And maybe you you would have, but I.

(01:08:44):
Correct, did not. So when that happened, I, I
didn't think it would be fun foryou guys to have to play that.
And I think that's, you know, I wanted, my initial thought was
which is what we stuck with, which was, hey, we should
probably like get you guys back to your regular character.

(01:09:05):
From a listener standpoint I think that makes sense, but also
as a player, you know, playing adifferent version of your
character, if you're not expecting that I I feel like
that would feel bad. I don't know if you guys have
different thoughts on that or were maybe wishing maybe to play
a different version I think. It's it sounds like an an
interesting challenge that I wascurious to try, but I was also

(01:09:27):
kind of stressed out by the thought of not I'm not I'm not
an actor or performer in a way that I feel like I could really
embody the subtle differences ina character like that.
So I was also glad that it was kind of quickly allowed me to
just play him to your like normal.
I think yours was more complicated than mine would have
been in theory because I was basically just playing younger

(01:09:48):
namby who was like a little bit more self assured.
So like I feel like my differences would have been
easier to play than than yours. What happened?
Here it was like an accomplishedlike.
Right. Like all of this I.
Could go from being a failure toa huge success and now that
might change like your person. I would like to see how that

(01:10:09):
would how you would play that character.
But I think it was yeah, to answer your question, it was it
was something that I didn't really explore.
I wanted you guys to get back tothe characters that this story,
this campaign is about, I guess,if that makes sense, and and
didn't want to have to put you in a place where you're like,
what would this version of my character do, you know that

(01:10:30):
much? I figured at most it would be
one or two episodes not as ourselves.
I thought maybe it would just beat the end of the episode,
you've successfully complete some task and it all comes back
to you and you wind up back withyou.
Or whatever and all your memories are.
Back You're on the island and a coconut falls on your head and
you spend the rest of your life.Yeah, yeah.

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So the episode starts, you get to get to have this, what I call
a Harry Potter three time momentwhere you get to like see some
of the characters, not your own self I guess in that movie.
Well, they see. No, he sees himself shooting the
Patronus and they see the like Hermione punching.

(01:11:14):
Like right, But I was saying. 0 doesn't.
I didn't see my answer. Well, I guess in my mind I did
because I saw. But got to see a story as it was
happening and not involve yourself, which at the wedding
that would have been interestingbecause there was a whole
encounter that that you know, you would have, you know,

(01:11:37):
presumably sat through and had to watch and just.
Chill and watch Doug fight the wedding party I guess.
And then made your way to the fuzzy fur and and walked in and
were you were, were you all at all expecting that maybe Tyler
was going to be on the episode? Or no, not at all.

(01:12:00):
I really had no idea who the hell it might have been coming
in for that. One, I live with him, so I knew.
It's a little. Unfair, but kind of a slight
advantage. It's like slight advantage on
there knowing that you're recording.
What are you doing, Tyler? Yeah, kind of logic it through
because like Tyler had mentionedback in like November, was it
Brooke? Like like it was a long time

(01:12:20):
whenever you first reached out time ago, like October, November
and Brooke and I had like encouraged him to to like come
back and do one of the characters.
But then that was like, I don't know, four months delay.
So. But as soon as I do like Faye
Wilde shenanigans, I kind of like.

(01:12:42):
I think you. Guessed through it, yeah, I
think. You guessed that and and the way
the way it happened with Tyler was like, Hey, he's going to go
to the the Fay wild. Do you?
I was like, do you want to play your do you want to play
Rolagar? Possibly the fairy dragon
version of Rolagar that he turnsinto at the end.

(01:13:03):
Also, I think it may just be really funny if sauces there and
that's where he's been this whole time is just in the.
Favor Why? He wasn't in this elderly too
and that's what that's what he wanted to do, which I was glad
about so. The aspect that it's like, oops,
all bards. Like I think that's fun.
And also, like, Roligard's a great character, but he's so
subdued and is just kind of likedriven by like loyalty and I.

(01:13:27):
Lady at Austria isn't here. What right?
What do you need? Like nothing without Lady at
Astria. Which I was hoping maybe he
would play like a fair like the fairy dragon.
Version of her. And I think would have been
like, maybe he'd been there for a while, you know, the timing,
cool shift of the story would have changed.
You know, it's, yeah, another way the story was kind of

(01:13:47):
influenced by a character, you know, basically which character
did he want to play? And that was.
Kind of. How the story changed.
At the end of Wild Love, didn't you mention that?
Like he's going to lose his memories the longer like the
more time he is as a fairy dragon.
Isn't that the whole deal? So like.
The other fairy dragon that was there had been there so long

(01:14:08):
that he had forgotten who he was.
Like who he was before. So yeah, because I.
Remember saying as Tia that likeshe was going to come back and
like remind him of who remind him every so often or something.
No, I think I think this is great because I love Tyler Zaz
like it is so funny to like I could like literally watch Scott

(01:14:28):
and Tyler bamflic like in those characters infinitely it.
Was a very fun episode to. Watch, it was very fun to get to
lurk and watch that and watch the energy.
I think I, I'm glad that Tyler chose Zaz over Rolagar.
I like, love Rolagar. Everyone loves Rolagar.
But yeah, I think everyone was kind of missing getting to see
Zazz again and to sell their league conduct too.

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So I think. You know I love Connie.
Yeah, Connie was great. That's nobody gets that.
But it did feel like there was something missing with bringing
back the first adventure and notgetting to see Zoz who is iconic
in his echoic maybe. I I think that that like makes
it even better though. Is that like he didn't show up
for the? Sequel.
He's just in the. Face like he's just in the.

(01:15:12):
Face wild like like that is the Fay wild.
Yeah, like Zoz is like, you know, something I have to go do.
Nah, I'm going to stay here and drink wine.
Yeah, What did he say that he got confused?
He's like, I don't know, it was like some alliteration name.
This isn't. The wrong bar.
This isn't the wrong bar and like his like open up all those

(01:15:33):
opportunities for those little jokes about aura with like the
healing and everything too. Just like it was just so funny
like so and like doing Zaz and the gang like again like so
good. I love that he created on his
performance though. Yeah, he created the.
Performance. That was so, yeah.
That was amazing the the the panflute.

(01:15:54):
Concert I forgot to I got I'm going to shout out myself for
the pan flute song because it was a a a stock music bluegrass
track. And then I went online.
I googled online pan flute and just picked the first website
where you could click on a pan flute to make notes and just

(01:16:14):
played the song and soloed over it by clicking on the notes and
recording it on my computer. Nice work, Scott.
Real Life 20 on that. Yeah, and then and then also
whatever the equivalent of blinking you miss it is for
ears, but tiddly wooing as in myhead candy when Kyle because
Kyle just threw out that some fairy girl woos in the crowd and

(01:16:37):
he. Was there?
I would have asked, I would haveasked you, Becca, but I was
like, I think nutmeg is much less likely to be.
Like wooing at no nutmeg. Would never woo candy all over
it. It has 100.
Percent. Yeah, Candy.
I would love an adventure where Nutmeg gets corrupted by candy

(01:16:58):
though. I'm just going to throw that out
there. Evil lesbian fairies.
Yeah, that's the name of the adventure.
Evil lesbian. I wasn't in until that name.
That's a great name. That's.
Elf Elf for short. We just call it elf and then
people don't know that it's. Evil lesbian fairies.

(01:17:22):
Cut this out. We're going to.
Yeah, I thought this is delightful.
I I was like, AII was such a little fan girl during this
episode with all of the shenanigans between like the
clothing montage at the beginning and then Zaz being
Zaz. And I'm like having the Bard
interactions between you guys. That's great.

(01:17:42):
Good job. It was good job.
Everyone. I think a personal thing that I
was really excited about was showing you guys exploring who
the queen was because they the bully loves and the wild loves.
I love yeah the. Bully was so.
Funny, the queen because that was a possibility in wild love
for you guys to for the for not you guys, but the for the crew

(01:18:05):
to be captured or or say, Yep, we're going to we're going to
capture this fly and give it to you and and then, you know,
maybe have an encounter with thequeen.
Oh well, actually, actually whatwas going to happen in that one
was if if the fairy dragon, which I'm blanking on what his
name was, but he showed up as the fly running from the

(01:18:26):
bullywugs. The bullywugs wanted to give him
to the queen because they're allabout sacrificing something to
the to the queen. If they if you guys would have
helped them and they would have like taken him away, then he was
going to probably escape in the last encounter.
And all of a sudden this froggy myth monster was going to end
like charge in during the hag encounter, which has become mass
chaos or something is what what I had planned way back when.

(01:18:49):
But but yeah, I think on the chaser of that episode, I was
like, no, I'm not going to reveal anything about the queen
because I want to bring the Queen back sometime and I could
just listen. To you saying the Queen a bunch
of times. Because the bully wolks.
Yeah, when you. Met your dad?
I met my dad. Your dad?
Yeah. Yeah, he got no eyes.

(01:19:13):
Do you feel real bad about commenting him on him being a
freak for keeping the paper back?
I. Did think, yeah, I did feel bad
about it, yeah. You feel like a piece.
Of shit, I thought about cuttingit out in the edit.
I was like, man, it looks like an asshole, but then I'm like,
well, he's not really. He's not a real person.
So I. Don't.
Think. It's.
You didn't. I know he was.
Actually, blind before you were,yeah.

(01:19:34):
And he was running with a bag onhis head like.
It's not there. Can you breathe?
Well. It is.
If it was real life and somebodywas running deftly with a bag on
their head, I might think, oh, they're blind in D&D.
I'm like, that could just be that Kyle forgot to mention that
this dude has a bag, or like that he took it off or Kyle
forgot that it was there. So yeah, I don't feel bad.

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He didn't even try to fucking find me that hard.
Fuck that guy, I don't care. Well, wasn't the concept that
he's stuck in the Fay wild? Like he can't look for you
because he's in the Fay wild, right?
I just assumed he was just because he was blind.
Kyle. I think he ended up in the Fay
wild. So whose story was he was a he
is he was a ambassador, A merchant ambassador for Igwill,

(01:20:17):
which is Tasha like the book, literally like Tasha's something
or other. Everything.
She's she's an Arch Faye and so he was an ambassador to the city
of Brass, which I think I say city of bronze in the episode.
It's holy city of brass. It's the real, the actual.
How you're embarrassed right now, buddy?

(01:20:40):
City of Brass, It's brass. Maybe I'm saying it wrong again,
who knows? It's one of those medals in.
It's a medal. In the elemental point of fire
where he was being sent there, that city is a major merchant
city. There's artifacts there because
they're made by the Azers who can like forge these things out

(01:21:01):
of the fire. The elemental plane of fire.
There's lots of like relics and things there.
So it makes sense that people gothere to like shop, you know,
rich people like, you know, archphase.
So he was an ambassador there. It's probably really hard to get
there unless you're an arch phase and can send people there.
And so that's that's kind of part of it where he's blind now

(01:21:24):
because he was torched by his wife's, you know, empty rose bio
moms goons torched his eyes sentback to the Faye Wilde and he
tried to get back to, you know, try it as he could, But also
they told him to stay away and he can.

(01:21:45):
He didn't understand why he was kept alive also.
And I think that question is something he doesn't really get,
but he. Yeah.
So. So I think at least part of the
part of that conversation maybe was or part of it is how do you
get to this elemental plane of fire?

(01:22:06):
I don't know how to get there. You know, you have to do some
plane or travel. He could probably get out of the
Faye Wilde if he tried. But.
But yeah, I think him trying to get to where he knew his wife
and and also he thought that Imtero was dead because that was
what they thought would happen. They thought they were going to
kill Imtero because he represented.

(01:22:27):
Still a little more Recon on it,you know, just dig into it a
little bit more, come back to the city, you know, come, come
look me up, Dad. Maybe he will, and maybe this
new timeline. Maybe he did some more, but
yeah, it is. Yeah, it's.
Flaxis. That's the name of the fucking
dragon Slack. The fairy dragon, Yeah.

(01:22:51):
Essentially Emtero's dad and momwere running away from her crazy
sort of religious family where she has this fire like kind of
looks like a Janasi fired Janasiand this fire trait passes down
and she got the full trait. Her parents and family members

(01:23:14):
don't really have that trait. They have like subtle hints of
fire, but she's like full blown.That makes her very powerful in
regards to like, marriage and things in this elemental plane
of fire with this very powerful family that she's from.
And so if she is, you know, so lead or whatever has a kid, that
kind of takes away some of that power.

(01:23:34):
And that's what they were nervous about, about having a
kid and having the family find out about the kid.
And so that was what they're running from.
And yeah. And Scott, you had mentioned
earlier, like you, you worrying about like not being an actor,

(01:23:55):
you know, playing a different role for MTRO.
This is like, oh gosh, I have toplay like MTRO's like we.
Have to have an emotional reunion.
Like, gosh. Like, I don't know, I'm not like
that equipped to like I'm not that great on the spot all the
time. I kind of.
Think of you as a father figure,Kyle, so it it could work.
Out, I think. So it sort of worked out.

(01:24:17):
So I was very nervous about thatinteraction myself just because
it was like, it's one of those moments where you want it to be
a sincere moment. But also it's about like a
father he never knew he had and about the father not thinking
that his son was alive, you know, just plain thinking that
his son was dead because his wife got captured.

(01:24:39):
He knows his wife got captured because he was captured.
And they burned his eyes and said never, ever come to the,
you know, reach out again or whatever, or we'll kill you.
You know we don't like you. They pulled The Lion King.
Never come back or we'll kill you.
Never come back and. Never.
Return YES. So yeah, that was, yeah, that

(01:25:00):
was kind of like I didn't know how that was going to go.
So I think it was. A good moment.
Yeah, yeah, I thought it was great.
Moment. But yeah, maybe he could have
tried harder. Maybe.
He's not perfect, nobody is. That's very true.
Makes a good character. Yeah.
Any other thoughts about this episode?

(01:25:23):
I thought the bullywog fight wassilly and fun.
Yeah, blacks did some different things in this one because it
was not happy about Emtero trying to escape and it exposed
itself a little too much and Emtero killed it.
Yeah, first one to get the kill one like for real real, right.
Real. Real.
Yeah. And even and it was the flame

(01:25:44):
blade, it just wasn't the initial hit, it was the
opportunity attack when it triedto.
Leave it was the flame blade, yes, so.
That felt great. I wish I had had like a cool I
didn't expect to kill the thing honestly, so I wish I had had
like a cool line locked and loaded for killing news, but I
did not had nothing. Yeah, I I think our our episode

(01:26:06):
Kyle was the was just the nice, the lightest, silliest, easiest
1. You know, it was really great.
Cleanser, Yeah. It really was with Zaz there and
just having to be like a bully one band playing for.
A. Sacrifice ceremony, you know.
It's so funny. Well, let's move on to the last
episode, Namby's Solo Quest Chapter 11.

(01:26:29):
Stupid title. There we go.
It's. We couldn't come up with the
title. I don't remember what our other
options were, but I was like, I kind of like that.
And his soul. 'S in there, so it's.
Great. I wanted to work River in there
somewhere into the name but justjust didn't get to it.
It doesn't matter. It exists out there.

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There's a perfect name for this episode, and if you figure it
out, let us know. We'll change the title.
We'll just. Change it.
That's a nice surprise, though, not knowing that.
Like, I guess we knew she was going to be there.
Yeah. Just to realize that anyone was
going to be like someone else was going to be playing her.
What if it had been like a valley Jack call back?
It's like there's always a riversomewhere, you know?

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And then it's like, oh, you think there's a real river, but
then no, there's a river river. So we knew that she was going to
be there, but or like like that you were meeting up with the
bone guard, but that got cut outof the true the end of episode
7, right? Like remembering that
incorrectly. But the way we the way the
beginning of Nami's episode got put together, Kyle gave a little
intro about the bone guards going to be there to help so.

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That's right. Yeah, right.
Yeah, Yeah. Yep, Yep.
Well, we didn't know it was going to be river.
Maybe it was just be some randomother people from the bone guard
guys, you know. Oh, that would have been such a
great opportunity, Kyle says later.
I should. Have done that I should have.
Put river in there. I totally expected Kyle to play
River and then like another guest to just like, hey, we

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don't. Either yeah for the we've got a
theme for this episode cause again I'll say I was nervous
about playing character and likemy ability to act when act a
character out like act this, youknow Hugh's sister out and so so
you're. Like not it.
So not it, it really wasn't a cop out in my mind, though,

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like, you know, the way I framedthat was like, Oh, it was a cop
out. I'll just, you know, have
somebody else play it. But ever since the first memory
that we did a fuse with like Hugh's mom in the room and river
in the room and that happened, Iwas like, because it because
this, this, this opportunity that river maybe could come back
and part of the story since thenI was like, Oh, I think tiddly

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would be great at playing this character.
I think that she would do an awesome job.
And so I was very excited to invite her to say, Hey, do you
want to play a character that already exists, which, like it
exists somewhere, which I've never, you know, posed to any
player that Hey, I've got a character that exists.
You want to play that character was an interesting thing to

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offer, but she jumped right in and and killed it.
And I was excited to have that be a a fun reveal of like, hey,
river exists and it's like a real character, a real person
that feels for me AD as Adm likeit's more real than just an NPC
that I play, but. Yeah, yeah, no, it did make it

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feel more like, Oh my gosh, I'm meeting River, like, as a
person. I can understand that it felt
significant as a as a viewer. It was like probably the most
shocking guest reveal of all of the many shocking guest.
Reveals. Yeah.
Yeah, I was totally shocked. Completely.

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Yeah, this episode was yeah. So namby going to this abandoned
or yeah, this really old temple of soul and teaming up with
river and a couple members of the bone guard to cleanse the
temple. And and that was cleanse the

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temple and then meet up with BICat the end to for BIC to say,
hey, here's your page that takesyou back to the main story and
then and get you back to where you could go as long as that
story reset when I'm Tiro made areset, which is kind of
confusing and and how everythingkind of works with this.

(01:30:27):
But yeah, kind of a little classic dungeon episode.
The any favorite moments or anything you guys have from from
this one? I love the whole.
Thing was fun, yeah. I mean, the whole thing is
great. I just love, I love that.
I love that Namby had to have like a moment of defying a

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teacher to like, like, she had to really stand up for
something, you know, like. And Namby's.
Ideas. Yeah, for real.
But they're in charge. Especially because at that
point, I had like, Namby didn't have her memories back.
So like, it was really hard for me to reason through what would

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Namby, who has not become an adventurer, who is a huge people
pleaser and all she ever wants is to please her teachers.
Like, what would it take for herto go against the teacher's
wishes? And it was basically like a
compromise of, OK, I'm not goingto do what you said, but I'm
just going to go in the tree andlook.

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Which I'm very glad that you didbecause I was like oh crap, what
if Namby just goes with the teacher and then like let them
all die episode? Over did that one.
Character die because I delayed going in the one that was like
gone by the time I got there he.Was he was dead on the ground?

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But would he Like he would have been dead regardless.
Yes, I think if I'm remembering correctly, as soon as you look
like peeked over in the tree like he was warmed, he may have
been still up. I'm I if, if you had run in
right away, I think he was goingdown.
I think he was pretty much surrounded by the.
By this guy, sounds like he's a stake setter to me.

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He was dead. He he was fucked.
He was. He was a stake setter.
He was the the orc. Orc.
No, the ogre. The ogre of the.
Group Ogre OK. Right, Yeah, he the ogre of the
group was was down. The giant wasn't looking so hot,
and then Navrog the fork was up fighting next to.

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River, I have a question. I would like Brooke to walk me
through how she felt when she realized she had a turn undead
feature as a cleric that couldn't just get rid of the
skeletons instead of sound bending time on combat.
I blame D&D Beyond. I hate the way that it it
organizes the what do you call it?

(01:33:02):
What do you call that? Your feature abilities your.
Action the the specific one for clerics though, where it's like.
Channel. Divinity.
Channel Divinities. Yeah, I seriously, as soon as
you were like, it's undead skeletons, I was like, oh, Turn
Undead would be perfect here. And I looked and it was like
Channel Divinity and all it listed were like my healing
thing. Oh, it didn't have the other one
right there. Yeah, it's yeah.

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I had to Scroll down past like three other features and then it
was like, oh, and Turn Undead. That's so funny you thought
about it, 'cause like I. Literally thought about it.
Because I play a cleric at a campaign that I always, I only
think about his lightning abilities.
He's a Tempest cleric, you know,and I'll think about the turn on
dead and then. Yeah.
And so it was funny when you started playing as like, she

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doesn't remember. She has this.
And that was the IT was the hardest moment I've had as Adm
to not like. To not say.
Text you, Hey, have you looked at your abilities?
They're like, hey, check out your channel divinity real
quick. Because like in my mind I'm
like, oh, this encounter is going to take a little longer, I
thought, and we got a dungeon toget through.
I haven't. Played.

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But also, I didn't know if you would remember.
I I truly didn't know if you would remember it because I I've
been in that cleric spot before.Yeah, yeah, where?
I've played one other cleric andwell aura I guess and she
doesn't. She never really used her like
Channel Divinity much. And she doesn't heal.
What does she do? Come on.

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And and so I was like, oh, I guess not all clerics have turn
on dead. And then anyway, so yeah, it was
very frustrating. I was like DND beyond.
I didn't even think about it during the record.
It was only really like after like the you had even mentioned
it to me or something or I can'tremember while editing even I
was like, Oh yeah, it is really like now that I think more about

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what abilities clerics have, that really was meant to end
very quickly this encounter. Would have literally just poofed
everybody and be like OK. It was a it was a fun encounter
to try and build. It was fun to go off of Becca's

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like background for this becauseit was like, OK, she joins the
bone guard, River joins the boneguard and I was like, OK, what's
the bone guard trying to figure out like what their deal is?
Because one of the things you ask is like what's rivers level
going to be? Because she's like just fresh in
the bone guard, like a month into it before recorded.
And and so it came up the ideas like, oh, that'd be interesting.

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What if these were, what if they're blood hunters and they
had this ceremony that kind of turned them into blood, blood
hunters as part of the bone guard initiation deal?
And I asked tiddly, I was like, hey, because I let her build
whatever she wanted. I was like, check out the the
blood hunter subclass. It's kind of a lot as I read
through it, but this is the vibethat that would be I was like,

(01:35:55):
as long as you can use a Warhammer, use a Bone Crusher,
you can play any you could play a, you know, fighter, a
barbarian or whatever. And she was like, Yep, I'll do
it. But blood hunter, that sounds
interesting. Let's do it.
Which I was like, cool, we coulddo something different.
I Remember Me and Becca definitely not, you know,
talking the whole time during the episode to each other.
But I remember I was just being like what the fuck is she

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playing? Because neither of us had done
like a blood hunter. Like what the hell is this
build? Yeah, there's a.
Couple things I was like, man, this is like peaking my brain
because there's a there's a really like prominent blood
hunter in the critical role a campaign like right now or that
just maybe finished, I don't know, And I was like, man, this
is really tickling on the back of my what the hell is this
thing? I think even Brooke didn't you

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even say as namby once? Like what are?
You. Yeah.
I was like, what is she doing? What is?
Making up abilities which kind of I don't really the the blood
hunter subclass is like a lot like I had to write out my own
separate Google doc of like her abilities with all these like
different Crimson writes and when can she activate it?

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She has mutagens that she can consume.
I had to write my own thing out and I was, and then I shared it
with till I was like, hey, hey, this helped me a lot trying to
figure out your abilities. So I think this should be
helpful for you too. And so I like sent her the
Google doc I've made just for myself so that I can understand
when she can activate things anddo things.
But the blood hunters, they havea lot of abilities that work on

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creatures that have blood, so itmakes a little bit of sense that
they might get overwhelmed by anarmy of skeletons that have no
blood. Terrible choice of profession to
become the bone guard if you're a blood hunter.
If you're right, yeah, they're blood under, but.
Does Miro count? Yeah.

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Can you use Miro? Miro does not count in my world.
Maybe in some other DMS world, Miro counts, but fair enough.
But yeah, the one of my favoritemoments from the episode was
when when you guys were in that first room and River was just
trying to lasso that wheel and so.

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It's like, funny. Just try again because I don't
really have a reason why you can't just keep trying.
She just had to roll like 8 times in order to succeed.
I love that you let that happen though 'cause I'm always in DND,
it's always like OK well I triedonce but like nothing changed
about my situation so I'll just keep rolling again but that
never seems to happen. That's how like picking is to

(01:38:28):
me. Yeah, like lock picks, like it
makes sense it would get more complicated or something because
you're you're jacking it up if you're doing a bad job with it,
Yeah. That makes sense.
But I always feel like you're doing things like just try
again. Just.
But yeah, doing. Yeah, just trying to get a rope
over a stick. Just keep.
Trying. That's yeah, that one you can
keep trying with. Like what?
What are you hurting with a ropeon a stick?

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But yeah, but it was so funny because knowing that the three
of the three of us knew Kyle knows everything, obviously, but
the three of us knew that I was probably going to see River.
And so like, our whole text chain leading up to this episode
was just like, what if Namby andRiver fall in love?

(01:39:09):
I know upset about. Thank you goodness Brooke and
Tidley have such good chemistry and like can't help but flirt.
Constantly because I was like. I don't get any flirting.
I was like, it might be kind of awkward for me to flirt with
Kyle, even if it's in D&D, just just slightly and, and so then
when? It was totally.
I was like. Oh, so it's it's it's probably

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not super obvious. And we, I talked to tiddly about
it after and she was like, oh, Idid not realize that was
flirting. But in my mind I was like,
Namby's version of flirting is just like, it's not obvious.
It's just being nice. It's just being nice and more
like vocal than she would normally be with somebody so.

(01:39:57):
We knew, I think me and me and Hugh, me and Becca knew like
this is name. Me A.
Little bit, yeah. Yeah, I picked up on it.
I mean like, you're so smart andnice.
Yeah, it's like, I love the ideaof flirting PCs with each other,
but as the DM, like an NPC flirting is like maybe my worst

(01:40:19):
DM nightmare. Like that.
Not really, but like I just likeflirting with a player character
is like so low on my list of things that I want to.
Do as a you're. Very lucky that I also think it
would be incredibly awkward and choose not to try to do it to
you to make you uncomfortable. Oh boy.

(01:40:40):
Oh great. I I pitched this to landfill
before, but I think we should write a song that's like a song
about like, it's like a romance song about two Bros who feel
really awkward having a romance scene in D&D together.
They don't know how to. Like.
Get over these odd feelings they're having and then they do
fall in love in the end. Oh.

(01:41:00):
Good. That's beautiful.
It's the sequel to Evil Lesbian,yes.
Evil. Whatever.
Very lesbians evil. Very lesbians.
That's even lesbian lesbian. He's the lesbian, evil lesbian.
Come on. Guys, yeah, we got a come with
an. Acronym for the for the Gay
Bros. But it was just so nice that

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like every time I failed, River did well, and then whenever
River would fail, something likeNamby would roll well.
So it was just like, they work so well together.
Like they're very complementary.Although neither of us could
figure out that light puzzle. I'm sure Kyle was like.
Kyle. OK, both of your like your

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puzzles. Kyle and I were playing fucking
Marvel rivals at like 11 I feel like and kept trying to ask me
these riddles to test them on meand I just I hit them with the
flattest just shut up. Basically you're.
Like what are you tired? Like to do this?
I did the. First one and then you.
I did the first one. Other I will humor, I'll do this

(01:42:06):
one. And I did not solve the second
one either. The one that you guys were stuck
on for a minute. I don't remember you giving that
one a try I think. Because you asked it and it was
like all this info and I was like, I don't, I don't shut up.
Like I don't care. What is this?
Well, there was so much I I feellike going into combat is always
like my brain is thinking about a million things.

(01:42:27):
And you did say something about like there's writing on the on
the. The handle.
The handle that completely left my brain or like I didn't even
process that you said that so I was not even thinking like we
should look at I. Would say that you guys solved
it in the amount of time that I thought that you would like.
I, I didn't think it was, you know, it's like, I don't know,

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I'm not like a master puzzle maker for, for DND.
But I feel like the right way todo it sometimes is to give some
information and let, let the story kind of like give you some
more information versus like, here's the whole puzzle.
And if it's hard, then it just feels bad trying to sit there

(01:43:09):
and try and figure out a puzzle that you feel like is just
written too hard or something. Whereas maybe if your character
just plays the game a little bit, then it becomes obvious,
you know, and it and by the timeit was and it wasn't really
obvious, you were just like, should we smash this thing on
the ground? Yeah, do it.
And then it worked, which was. I think you guys the the rate at
which you solved it felt like ifthis were like a movie scene,

(01:43:31):
the amount of time that the combat would translate to felt
very akin to like sure, how you guys eventually thought you
killed a couple. They kept coming back.
Oh, try something new. Smash the fucking thing and
they. Worked.
I thought it was funny that Tiddly's the first thought is
River was like, I'm going to hitthe thing with it, yeah.
Yeah. Yep.

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And then that last fight was really fun with the with the
orb. The Maniphilian, the necromancer
who has taken who had taken overthe the temple.
Yeah, this, this, this, this whole episode was fun for me
because it was I was like, oh, cool, I get to do a little
classic little dungeon for in the middle of this campaign and

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have this, you know, guy is, youknow, necromancer sorcerer who
turns out had made some who madea deal with the All Blacks who
were with him and then pieced out as soon as things were going
very poorly and didn't want to die like it had just with them.

(01:44:34):
Tiro, you know, technically thathappens in the future, but but.
I was so worried about dying because I don't know, like I
feel like a couple times before we recorded you were like, be
careful or something. I don't remember.
But it was like, I feel like Namby's going to die.

(01:44:55):
So I was like, I'm not going after that.
Every time you walk by Kyle, you're just going dead, man.
I'm walking. That's kind of I'm going to miss
Namby. I'm going to miss her.
Especially when like. She was a really fun player to
get the character to play, wasn't she?
Brooke Yeah. Especially starting the episode
at Level 3 with like 24 hit points, I was like, she's so

(01:45:16):
goner. She's she.
Did if she has to fight the Oblix at that level, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I just wanted to say I do love
the sorcerer guy. I love whenever it's just like
some impotent little dude who's just like a sniveling little
fuck. Who's the bad guy?
Yeah, that's how. I picture every evil sorcerer,

(01:45:39):
my evil man. Yeah, and I just imagined.
Like, Namby didn't know what, Like, Namby, even with all her
memories, had never really been in that kind of situation.
And also River didn't really know what was going on.
So I feel like we both got thereand we were like, what are you
doing? And then we were just like, OK,

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it just like started fighting. Fucking Muffin.
I do like that I got to impale him as a as a, as a solar.
That's what that was so celestial who showed up as A to
reclaim the temple after you cleansed it.
As a as a player, that was one of my favorite moments so far.

(01:46:20):
I've just like you, just released an Angel of your God
and they're so cool and they're going to power you up.
That's like such a reward for disobeying a teacher to have
your God be proud of you and like send an emissary to let
you. Know.
Right. The angels are like so cool.

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I I, you know, I love flipping through the monster manual,
right? I love, like whenever I want to
come up with a campaign idea, I just flip through the monster
manual to get some inspiration and, and the angels are always
in the front and I'm like, theseare cool.
When can I use an Angel? And I'm like, never.
And I just skipped by them. And so this is like a, this is
like an awesome, great opportunity to use them because

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they're all like super high level, you know, they're the
planetars and the, this was a solar.
And yeah, it was fun to to have that.
I was excited for that moment and for him to give you the the
gift and some extra power with your radiant, with your radiant
spells. I don't I, I remember when I was

(01:47:25):
deciding between using remove curse and to spell magic, that
when I went with remove curse, Iwas like worried something bad
was going to happen at first because you like started
smirking. And I was like, what's going on?
Like was that, did that matter at all or were you just like
psyched for the Angel to come out?
I. Think it was probably psyched, I
don't know because. It was probably just psyched,

(01:47:46):
just psyched. I.
Don't know my just. Jazzed.
Jazzed or yeah. Or I was, you know, yeah, I have
no idea. I could have just been amused at
you trying to figure out which one to which one you wanted to
use where. Yeah, so.
I'll just smile sometimes to throw us off, you know?

(01:48:08):
The smile. What's?
Going on, I don't like it when he smiles.
Yeah. It's never good or the DM
smiles. I love the Angel too, because I
love whenever something shows upthat like so clearly outclasses
your character and your problems, like your level of
being. And it's just sort of like
indifferent towards you in a way.

(01:48:28):
Like that's like the most you can hope for is that they don't
really take that much interest in you because they could fuck
you up so easily and. Then there was like the
additional mind fuck of like theAngel doesn't even know that
this world is like being manipulated.
It was like, oh boy. That was a smart thing to ask it

(01:48:48):
too. I was surprised by that.
I was like, I was like, yeah, that was a smart thing for Nam
to ask is like, what's going on like in the grand scheme of
things and right. He does.
That's so interesting to me because this brings up something
that's interesting to me. Emtera's story was very much.
I immediately encountered William, who told me the whole
situation that's going on. And here's how you get back to

(01:49:09):
Hugh. Like I had a clear vision of
here's the where I'm at in the story and the larger conflict,
but Namby's was just you show upin a new spot, you get your
memories back and there's literally fucking nothing to
guide you on what to do next. Which I really loved when when
it was happening, me and Becca were just like, what about Hugh

(01:49:30):
and him, Tiro Namby batting our eyes and the just going on a
little side quest. But I loved that it was like.
For a bit. It's cool.
When you when you asked the Angel though, like if they knew
what was going on, it was like felt like a moment of like, oh,
Namby's like breaking character within this world, almost of

(01:49:51):
like not mentioning that she doesn't really belong here
fully. Like I don't know.
I like the vibe of that scene. I like for if you were Rivers
perspective you'd just be like wait, what the fuck is she
talking about? All of a sudden this Angel like
I thought that was cool. But it it.
Yeah. And yeah, so and it's like, so
the whole thing is like, so Namby what?

(01:50:12):
You know Namby could have lived for another couple years there
until M Tiro reset the story, right?
Could have been kind of cool. What have having to see what
Namby had to do? Namby comes back, she's like 4
levels higher than us. She's been training this whole
time. What the?
Fuck. But that's why they sent BIC.
That's why they send Beck to youand say hey Beck, like just let

(01:50:35):
her go back to the story where she's supposed to be instead of
like living. Out what were you thinking was
going to happen though, Brooke? Like as it was going on and you
had continued to hear nothing about like the larger conflict,
I guess, like maybe. This is dumb of me but I truly
wasn't even thinking about it. Just like DM's leading me this

(01:50:57):
way, here I go. I, I, I was like, I think like
meta game. It was like, well, Kyle's going
to get me where I need to go. And then I think in character I
was just like so enamoured with River and then wanting to help
with this temple, I was like, this is what I'm doing.
I mean, it is your God's temple so it doesn't make sense.

(01:51:18):
You'd be like, well this is pretty important.
I better like stop it and fix. This and do this, yeah, yeah.
I, I liked how I thought the episode ended very sweetly.
I didn't know how you were goingto talk to River at all about
like, hey, you know, I don't know if you were going to tell
River that you're from a different story where she dies
or you know, like, you know, I don't didn't expect that.

(01:51:40):
But I think you just briefly told her how, you know her
brother. And I thought that was, you
know, just a sweet moment at theend, I think is.
When it felt it felt weird to I like I didn't, I was thinking
about that at the beginning and it felt weird to be like, Hey, I
know your brother, like I don't know, just like right away I was
like, I feel like I just need especially like and namby

(01:52:04):
knowing that this is all like some altered reality of like,
I'm just going to go along with this and see where this goes.
And so then once everything was wrapped up, I was like, well, I
can't like not say anything. I have to talk to her about it
and. It would have been pretty funny
if you just never did. And then if you never mentioned
it to Hugh and me like that would have been great to you

(01:52:25):
just. Never know somebody what
happened there. Oh, I met your sister.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
We cleanse the tons of temple together.
Did I ever tell you that? My mind, sorry a lot going on.
I saved your sister, but then you know it didn't you know,
last because the story reset. So whoops, you know.

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And I think I think at this point, Namby is like hoping that
even though things reset, that maybe like the actions that are
taken in the world can like really subtly influence people
like moving forward on the partsof the story that aren't written
yet like that. Maybe like, you know, we could
influence someone to like do good in the world or like.

(01:53:11):
Maybe Levi won't be such a bad guy.
And like especially I feel like that stems from like murdering
Tannenbaum, like like bringing him back and like hopefully like
impacting his behavior moving forward by being like, don't
fuck around with people like. Tannenbaum just suddenly has a

(01:53:33):
weird fear of rabbits. So like Namby was hoping that
like by saying those things, even though rivers like gone,
that like somehow it could. Sometimes the does the ink bleed
through a little bit and some. Stories when you.
Write something and erase it. Does the imprint of what you

(01:53:54):
wrote there still exist on the page a little bit?
You know, I think it probably does.
Very poetic. But yeah, any any final thoughts
about this episode? Any other favorite moments or
anything you guys have before wewrap it up?

(01:54:15):
Touch base on everything. It's a lot of stuff.
I'm sure there's cool stuff in there.
I like the dumb NPCS and Namby'slike I like the Bongard guys.
I did like the big giant. I love Namby and a giant being
together, just like in general. That's a good that's a good
vibe. That's a good hang.
Oh it. Was when you were like healing?

(01:54:36):
Yes. Healing.
No. It's just a big dumb giant with
them. I do let yeah, in the end him
like holding up BIC and BIC Slater and BIC tries to explain
it, but BIC doesn't really know the plan as well as like Thwick
and William does. The BIC had kind of been sent

(01:54:57):
out to on this mission to to help with this with the story, I
guess. But yeah, it's yeah, it was, it
was fun to try and explain things as him, but also like be
able to explain it poorly because he didn't really
understand it that well. And then I just feel like Brian,

(01:55:19):
I've played so much with Brian because he plays in our campaign
that Scott and I play in with Ryan and he's just such a fun
player to to play with. I love his character in our
campaign, Yorick. Yorick.
Yeah, it's just great. But so it was.
It was fun to play his character.

(01:55:41):
I think he did a good job. Like I could sense some of the
Brian in there in the. End tried to put some Brian in
there. I wish you could have gotten
Brian, but that's a tall order to get somebody.
Hey, you show up for. Can you, can you like explain a
bunch of lore you don't understand?
Just like you're going to have to wait around for like 3 hours
before you get to do it, Brian. Could probably do it.

(01:56:03):
That's the. Probably could, yeah.
Like, hey, here's the basics. And then he, because he does
that in our campaign all the time, just yeah, it's great.
It's so fun. So so yeah, I'm glad that was
yeah, fun Couple episodes to start and dump some lore in
there, the Thwick and Hugh combogoing back and forth and and and

(01:56:28):
your episode and BIC adding to it a little bit, but.
Guys, exciting bigger dumps to come.
If you're listening to this before dumps 12, yeah.
Be prepared, you'd eat your fiber.
Gross. I think that is going to.
Marking this episode with Gross.Yeah, I think it's going to wrap

(01:56:49):
up this extra creamy, extra curdling, curly episode of the
Tall Tale Tavern, the Chaser episode.
We've got some fun episodes coming up and some fun episodes
to record coming up as well. So yeah, very excited I.
Think we should have one unfun episode just so we can like
occasionally be like we've got anot fun episode.

(01:57:11):
We've got a stinker. We've got a real.
Slog. That's going to be the finale.
That's a good That's going to bethe finale.
It's going to. Get ready to feel like shit and
be bored, alright? Because that's what's coming.
Up. Woo.
Great. Well, I think that's going to
wrap it up. Thank you guys all for joining
for this Chaser episode. If you like us, give us one of

(01:57:34):
those good five star reviews like our YouTube, you know,
videos. Not this one doesn't have a
YouTube video, but you know. Like quickly.
That. Yeah, go and like the old ones
though. Go and like them.
Go and like them. Thank you to Tyler Tyler
Adelsperger for intro music. Thank you to Zazar for our work.
With that, we will see you next time at the Tall Tale Tavern.

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