December 1, 2025 • 59 mins
Be sure to check out our youtube page Tuesday Dec 2nd 8:30 EST for the live premiere of our new adventure The Pirates of Ceramica! (Available the next day in this podcast feed)
Today we're talking maps, feats, and which characters we would swap between Talltale Tavern adventures. Plus in honor of the imminent release of Ceramica Kyle has a special Canon Balls quiz for Scott!
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I have a patron subscription andI need cast now called Tall Tale
Tavern. D20 triple threat show.
D20 triple threat show. I was hoping you'd hit a real
low base but I'm Scott Esmond. He's Calvin and 20 show Cal roll
the hundred D100. It's the TTTT show.
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Hurry up, Kyle, and roll. We got a Niner, Niner Niner
49er, just a nine. Not a 49er, not actually what he
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said at all. We've had somebody sailing or
singing fails in the show that Iwas like, I, I want to join in
so bad, but every time it's a headache for the editor.
I don't know. What you're talking about fails.
It comes out. Beautifully every.
Time, I think. Let's see what we're discussing.
Oh, I like this question, Kyle. As soon as I need to find AD 20.
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For how long we have to discuss it.
I'm not going to tell you what it is yet till I get a timer.
All right, folks, you ready? Are you ready?
Kyle? We have 13 minutes to discuss
physical maps, TV screen, virtual maps, theatre of the
mind. Does it matter at all?
What are our preferences? And that time starts now.
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The time starts now. The lucky number 13 amount of
minutes to talk about this. We obviously on the podcast,
we're all theatre of the mind, but you have a map yourself a
lot of the time, right? So it's kind of different for
you. You're the only one who isn't
purely theatre of the mind on the podcast.
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Well, yeah, but you also play inRyan's campaign, Singer's
campaign, and he does the he hasa full DM table like AD and D
table with the with the TV embedded in it.
That's a, you know, incredible to play on.
I mean you also in in in our IRLgames you run ATV with a map on
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it too. And you usually you and you and
Singerman both like to print outmini figs.
You know, you like to do a lot of 3D printing and have tangible
representations of the things that are in the game, which
oddly enough, given what we werediscussing earlier, as somebody
who can we realize I have a Fantasia or whatever and I can't
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picture things in my mind at alltoday.
I don't necessarily still feel aneed for any of that physical
stuff when I'm playing the game.I feel I actually kind of prefer
playing on the podcast with nothing in front of me.
With nothing, just the end of the mind.
Yeah, I just find all that otherstuff tends to, like, slow
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things down for me almost in a way, you know, like getting
things set up for moving pieces around.
It's just this, it feels just asvivid to me to just be sitting
there and telling you what happened rather than needing to
like move a piece 6 inches across the screen and then tell
you what happened. I'm picturing almost like a skit
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where it's like the monster moves to you and then you don't
react and then like the like he reaches over and moves the the
little mini fig like 3 squares over and then you scream.
No totally non non reactive to your character dying until the
DM knocks them over. Side breaks it over and then
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it's like, no, it's scratch. I think it scratches a totally
different itch for me that with the, with the mini figures and
the maps and the physicalness ofit, it's almost like, not that
it's a different game, not that it's a different game, but it's
the same game. But it's like the fun of playing
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just a board game with friends and moving pieces around and
like seeing the, the, you know, just physical distances between
things and exploring parts of a physical map right there.
It's almost like it's like scratching a different itch.
And I have the benefit of playing both systems all the
time where it's like half the time I have a map, half the time
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I have the theatre of the Mind podcast, you know, theatre of
the mind on on this podcast where I sometimes have maps up,
but they're they're not like maps for you guys to even see.
The players don't see them. No, no, you know.
And then Kyle's maps, and whenever I do see them, are
typically like, here's a grid with like a square on it and a
circle, you know? That's yeah, I put them in those
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PDFs that are available like youcan buy the the three pack of
the one of look at this guy. Shamelessly debugging our
products from the middle of our patron episode.
But on those there you can see the maps and I and there's like
a blurb on there. The reason I bring up this is a
blurb in before the maps. Like these maps are beautiful
and they're just used by the DM and you can use them for
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reference on kind of where to start the encounter.
But yeah, the recently I've alsobeen more inspired to create
physical maps because mostly because of Tyler, honestly,
because. Tyler makes like cool.
He makes like 3 dimensional foamlike arenas.
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I feel like I see pictures. He made the he made the the
tower, the the dice tower that this is what he made.
And so he will make maps for hisplayers that look like this, you
know, and it's like, holy cow, that's amazing.
And I love that ass. I love that aspect.
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And so like one of our recent things that we did, I have now I
have like some of this crafting stuff because I bought some foam
and whatnot. But there was like a a foam
football field where you guys were playing in the Boggle
verse, which is of course the inky, the inky universe that is
a mirror of our own, filled withlittle Boggle creatures.
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That are goblins. Just for anybody who's not
familiar with their actual name.I didn't make this up.
This is Canon 5 E stuff the boggle verse.
But you guys are on a football field.
No, it's not I. Wish it was.
I don't know, there might be like some weird sourcebook
that's like, here's boggles. Did you know they have their own
little time to make my own inky underside dimension?
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Yeah, upside down. But it, but it's, it was like
black and white on one side and then you guys had created a
portal or convinced them to linkhands to create a portal.
And so there was a circular green part and that was kind of
fun to make like a physical map of to have you guys play on,
but. I think that's where it ends for
me on things though, is I'm like, that's kind of fun, but I
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don't know. But that's just like I, I've, I
just don't, I don't need it whenI'm playing, but I appreciate it
at the same time. You know, I actually thought
when we started the podcast and it was going to be theatre of
the Mind, I was like, is that going to work?
Because I've never done theatre of the mind before.
I always, yeah, I'd only played like when I started playing DND,
it was 3.5 and our DM would literally, he would just, he'd
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pull out the same sort of like dry erase map that I have with
the grid on it. I know you have one too.
And he just dropped the map likeon the fly, like if we were on a
place that needed a map, you know, with our mini figs.
And that's how I always played Intel.
Playing in Ryan's thing. I'm like, oh, people are using
TV's and screens and crap now. Like we're hitting legit with
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it. And then I was like, well, it's
going to feel like such a downgrade to just go theatre of
the mind for the podcast. And then it just this feels
totally the same to me personally when it.
Comes to the actual playing, because the jump for me was we,
you know, started playing DND with Ryan and the the cool TV
and his maps are like he puts a lot of the effort and time into
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making like really cool maps on the ark and forge, like on the
on the, you know, on the map making software.
I have the same software and mine are OK, but I don't you
know, but but basically went from that to, you know, DM ING
our own tape, my own table at the house, which was I would I
had some like physical prints. I didn't do the TV thing right
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away. Remember I had like the
gymnasium of the school, like cardboard, like printed out,
like with computer paper, you know, to like kind of simulate
that feeling. And then I also had the grid.
But the theater, the mind thing was like, I think it was just a
jump. I think we just said that's just
how we would do it on a podcast because we want to have people
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listen to it. Yeah.
And you can't. Really, I feel like it was you
who I would have just assumed, Iguess when we did this that it
would be like we have a because any other time I'd played online
it had been like roll 20, right?And then there's like a virtual
tabletop. I'd only ever really played with
like bones DM ING a couple timeson roll 20.
So I just assumed we'd have it and we would just have to do the
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work of like describing how we move, you know, narrating it
like, OK, I move my token like this much.
But ultimately it's better to not have the map because the
only descriptors that we give then are just like, OK, I want
to move toward the right. Like the enemy.
Am I close enough to move towardthem?
You're the only one who has to keep track of those like nitty
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gritty things that would, I think, not translate well to an
audio medium of like, OK, I'm moving you 6 spaces diagonally.
Like that's boring as fuck to listen to and.
Like every round having to describe exactly where you are
and the where the columns are and things.
Yeah, the yeah. Going back to the question,
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like, what do you prefer? I so I I enjoy the variety a
lot. I enjoy being able like doing
both things. There's not like, oh man, I have
to make a map for my home campaign, right?
Like I enjoy that part of it because it's different.
The theater, the my thing, the major benefit of it is I can be
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more lenient as Adm and be like,yeah, your, your movement speed
can get you there. You know, if I look at the map
and I and I see that you guys, your characters 35 feet away or
needs is like 40 feet away from something, I can be pretty
lenient and say, yeah, you use your movement to get there and
like no problem. Yeah, yeah.
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In that way, there's never goingto be like push back from
anybody at the table who might be a stickler for the rules,
whoever that would be. Right, like what?
They can't think of. Technically they can't.
There's nobody. You're calculating diagonals.
You know every one, every two spaces is is 1 1/2 or whatever
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you. Know, I just hate when there's
people at the table like that, so it's nice that we don't have
that option on the podcast. It makes it makes those types of
things a lot easier from my standpoint where I can be
lenient and say that makes senseyour character can get there or
that doesn't make sense. He's a little farther away and I
can design and I can easily picture combat that way a little
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bit easier and so. I'm somebody who likes sort of a
fluid creative zone, I guess youcould say.
Like I like the option for more things to possibly be able to
come in and work. So not having a map giving you
that sort of leeway, letting thethe situations not feel like
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perfectly defined necessarily inmy mind during theater of the
mind I find is. A good example of this is
actually for something that's coming out tomorrow.
And we use this, we use different movement things, you
know, not a build movement rulessometimes.
And the pirate campaign is if you are trying to get from 1:00
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section of the ship of a ship toanother, it's kind of like you
can use your movement speed to get to the other main deck if
you're going across the gangplank.
There's no like counting squares.
If you want to get from your main deck to another one, maybe
you have to grab a rope and do an ability check to just swing
there. Cuz on pirate ships there's
ropes everywhere that you can just swing from, right?
It's true. That is something we all know
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about pirate ships. There's just ropes to swing
around. There are.
I mean, there are. I'm not even disputing it.
It's just it doesn't really seemlike there should be so many
ropes to swing. On in a movie, if you got to
swing somewhere, you just reach over and grab the rope and swing
across you can. Just cut a rope and swing and it
I guess it won't affect the ship.
I don't know, I assume that these ropes do something, but
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people are constantly just cutting off and swinging and
shit and not ruining everything.So I'm not much of A pirate in
real life, I just play one on this podcast.
I think I would say though, as aplayer, I think I prefer having
physical maps. I think that it scratches the
itch for me of playing a board game, moving minis around.
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I just bought a big board game. That's the big game Valheim,
which is a video game. They did a Kickstarter for it a
year ago and bought the Kickstarter for the for a board
game version of it and cash and I have been playing it and it's
came with this big box of the knees.
I'm sorry, Cash. It's great.
It's so much fun. The game takes like 2 1/2 hours
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to play around and he plays the and we play the whole thing and
he's like let's play tomorrow. It's it's awesome.
But it has minis on it and you have your own little your own
little, you know, I've got like a Ranger mini that I use and he
uses the one with the big axe and it's like, you know, it's
it's like DND of well, you know,I mean it's just a board game
with minis, but it's like I likeI like playing with minis in
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general. I think it's AI think I would
choose that if I it's. Interesting.
Maybe it's maybe it maybe because of the fact that I can't
really picture things in my head.
I don't feel the need to have a tangible thing while pretending,
you know, like it's. That a Fantasia thing that came
up literally today where you text me is like, can you picture
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an apple in your head? And I was like, well, yeah, I
can picture an apple. I can spin it around and give it
smudges, cut it up and you know,it's picture perfect in my
brain. And you the the the a Fantasia
thing we've been referencing is,I guess you can describe it.
Yeah, it's just, it's literally just, I can get the sense that I
can think about something, but Ican't picture it at all.
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Also, our time is up. It just just ended.
But that doesn't have to end a fan.
I mean, technically that's a yellow curve because we weren't
staying on topic about what about the question at the end
there in a way. But yeah, it's just something I
I was scrolling late last night and saw like that image of one
through 5. How much can you picture
something in your head? And it's like, if you can't
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picture anything at all, you might have a Fantasia.
I was like, Oh yeah, I didn't think anybody actually could
picture something in their head.So that's been my.
Interest. I didn't know that about you.
And when I saw this online a fewyears ago, I was like, oh,
that's very strange of people, like can't do that because I
just do that. We've talked before about how
you're not like an inner monologue person, so it's like,
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it's the exact same thing to me when I can't even imagine what
it's like to not have an inner monologue, you know?
So for you then it's like, what's it like to not be able to
picture things, I guess? Yeah, our brains are so
different. I mean, such different brains.
It's so interesting. It's fascinating.
I was talking with Brooke about this.
I pitched to her. We need to just do an episode
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where she just administers a bunch of like, psych tests to us
and just tells us what's wrong with us.
Just figure it all out, get it all out there.
Great, let's get her in. Whoa, we're this Kyle.
This is a special episode of theTTTTS.
It's TTTTTTTS at night. This is our first after dark
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recording of the TTTS. Yeah.
So if you know, if you notice we're our energy is a little
lower or maybe a little more sensual, it's because the sun
has gone down. The sun has gone down and just
like in Agrabah, what's the line?
It's something that hot at nightor something.
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What the hell is the line now? I can't remember.
Is this something about being hot at night?
Something at night. Hotter than hotter than hot?
I don't know. I was going to say the sun goes.
Arabian Nights. It's about Arabian.
Nights. Tall Taverns.
Are hotter. Hotter than hot.
In a lot of good ways. In a lot of good ways.
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That's what he says, right? In a lot of something ways,
that's what's in there. And it's a double meaning for
sex. I whoa, you think they would
they would put that in a Disney film.
The only double meaning that's present in the Aladdin trilogy
is the genius naming of the villain of Aladdin 2.
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Return of Jafar. I'll be small because he's such
an abysmal. Person I love Abby Small.
Abby, Small sucks. Goodness, Kyle, this is the,
this is the as we both know, this is the news segment of the
podcast, right? We're supposed to talk.
About This is the news. News well this there there is
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big news this episode is the episode that is releasing right
before the premiere tomorrow of the pirates of ceramic we've.
Only been saying it. For 8 episodes that it was
imminent, well guess what? 9th episode.
We're letting you know it is imminent.
Imminent finally imminent tomorrow night on YouTube at
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8:30 PM Eastern Time. Join us there We'll be in the
chat there talking about it and I'm I'm excited it's gonna be
it's gonna I'm yeah, I'm so I'm very excited about this
campaign. 8 episodes of greatness of fun of a lot of lot
of pirate stuff. It's just I've talked too much
about it, arguably because we'vehad so many, so many weeks to
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talk about it, but. He's really been milking it.
Really. Really.
Good sucks. This podcast sucks.
I'm excited for it though, Kyle.I'm excited for Ceramica.
This one that we're recording right now sucks, but Ceramica is
good, so I'm excited for people to get to hear that.
And I need, Oh no, no, I can't talk.
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I was going to talk about a spoiler from it, but I can't
because people haven't listened to it yet.
So I'll ask you this question later.
We don't need to worry about that.
Sorry guys, you don't get to know what Kyle and I are going
to talk about. You don't get to hear every
conversation that we have. Actually just text it to me
right now and they can listen toyou typing it and then you can
listen. That's good.
I would do that if it wouldn't bother me later when I was
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editing, and then I would decideI can't have it be quiet this
long and I have to cut it. Piss me off, Kyle.
We listeners are calling for it.They want the silence.
They want the silence. OK guys, if you want to simulate
that feeling, then pause the podcast right now and just wait
a few seconds Kyle, you need this is going to be fun.
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You need to ask the Discord to roll AD 100 and D20, but they're
not going to expect it right now.
They're really going to be strong.
Should. We What should we put money down
on? Who's going to be?
The money down. Money.
Who's going to be the the personto to give us the answer?
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Well, the problem is how do we, how do we, how do we bet on it?
Like is it just we each pick oneperson and if it's neither of
them, nobody gets any money? Or is it like?
I don't know. I hadn't really thought about
it. OK, He didn't think about it.
That sounds that's par for the course.
I think for us just we'll just do it.
We're not going to really think about it.
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Yes, I am betting that it is going to be Natalie.
Dang, that was actually going tobe my pick, I think.
I think actually, I think Dane'son it tonight.
Let's see, you mean Dane. All right, all right.
Yep, he's posting all. Right, we'll see.
We'll see who comes in hot with the answer all.
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Right. In the meantime, while they work
on coming in hot with the answer, I have rolled Kyle our
second topic. Woo.
Yeah, and well, we don't have towait long for them to come in
hot with the answer neither. It was she got in there.
It would have been. That would have been the easy
bet. What are you going to do?
Yeah, it really was. It was.
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It was a too easy bet on us. Hold on, I need to post like
people can get their silence right now because I need to post
a GIF in here. I need to put the gift from the
Quicken the dead when Leonardo DiCaprio gets shot and dies and
says shit, that was fast. So all right, I feel good about
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that. Now, Kyle, I have rolled on the
patron questions for us, a question from our dear friend
Mav and he has requested, I guess that you roll this with
disadvantage looking at the the topics, which is interesting to
me that somebody actually pickeddisadvantage.
He might have done it on accident, but the sheet says
disadvantage. The question you're rolling for
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how long we have to talk is you're both Feet enjoyers FEAT
OK, but do you pick feats based on their effectiveness or their
applicability to a character's back story or development as
they level? OK, All right.
Just how long? Disadvantaged role.
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Here it goes with disadvantage that is a six. 6A minutes to
discuss a starting and now all of the above.
It kind of depends character to character what I'm choosing A
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feat for. I feel like sometimes you see a
feat and you're like, oh, that'sreally good for like the
mechanical build that I have. Other times I see a feat and I'm
like, well, that's kind of like a funny little extra element to
add to the character, you know, like or gives them just like a
little extra thing that I don't know if I can think about how my
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head. But like if I wanted a character
who could teleport for some reason, I might take like a
magic initiate, like magic initiate feat to get a misty
step or a fave, whatever. But not necessarily because I
want it for like combat purposes, but because they're
like they have, I want them to have some sort of ancestry where
they have a teleport, you know? Yeah.
Do you ever take into account for the direction your character
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has grown or part of their back story?
The, the, the example I'll bringup is Becca's character Hugh in
exhibition untold. When she was, when we were
leveling up, she was like, ah, there's like some really great,
like fighter feats that I could take.
But there's also the chef thing,like the chef feat, which is
like what Hugh is. And she ultimately went with
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that, which was like very important for, you know, a lot
of things that happened. You know, that was, you know,
lots of she did a ton of cookingas as Hugh and was able to like
pull in snacks from, you know, going through the portal that
that was part of like the flavorof like when she got long rest
as we went through the differentsettings.
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So that was where she app, you know, actually took a feat based
on, you know, the chef had nothing to do with a, you know,
optimization for a character Forme, for me, the answer is
probably purely mechanics and fun things that I want to do
with the character. I think like, like when I was
choosing A feat for like, you know, whiskey waltz or
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something, I think I just wantedhim to have a climb speed.
So I took like, and I wanted himto be as fast as possible.
So I just picked the I forget what this feat's called, but it
it's like athletics or something.
It's some. I think athletics gives you a
climb athlete. Just the athlete feat gives you
a climb speed and gives you likeadvantage on certain checks.
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Maybe I can't remember but. When I've yeah the for the
characters. You don't need a running start
for your jumps. I think also with the athlete
feet you can get your long and high jumps without the running
start. Or you only need 5 feet instead
of 10 feet, something like that.I'm like almost purely thinking
about like fun things that I want to do with the character
and does this help me achieve that?
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I feel like I'm doing that, but then I'm always trying to be
cognizant of like, can I backward engineer a reason that
this ties in with the character in a like more thematic way or
something like that? You know, like, I don't know,
like, like the best examples of like good feats to take for me
is like Amper in Arkindale had the actor feat.
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She is already somebody who liesall the time and does deception
roles. And that gives you advantage to
like impersonate people and mimic their voice.
And like, I wanted it, I guess to like enhance her mechanics,
but it also ties in so well. I thought often if you're doing
it right, the mechanics and the character are a symbiotic
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relationship, you know, so they kind of all.
And that combo with the emperor made it very difficult for me
all the time. If Amber wanted to do, if Amber
wanted to do something, a lot oftimes it could have happened.
That's like the the Trump mum Donnie thing.
I just saw a funny TikTok where a guy was just laughing about
how, yeah, the mom Donnie, I think it's how you say his name.
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The new mayor of New York City went and talked with Trump and
it went really well. And Trump was like, love the
guy. And it see, the guy was like,
this is like when the DM sets upa scenario and Mom Donnie was
just rolling that 20s and it ended up and it ended up with
him being friends with the president.
Yeah, when they're supposed to be enemies.
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Feels incredibly accurate. Yeah, that's what.
Hamper feels like a lot, yeah. And I mean, but I do, I am
somebody who almost 100% of the time jumps to feats instead of
ability score increases I feel like.
But I will specifically like I won't take a feat I guess, if I
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know that it is disadvantageous to my future growth with the
character in the sense that likeI'm always looking for 1/2 feat
that applies to an ability scorethat I need, right?
Like I wouldn't take a feat thatgave me like plus one to
strength on a character that already had strength as a dump
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stat. But that is again, I just think
mechanics and character working hand in hand because if this
character had strength as their dump stat, they wouldn't be good
at a thing at a feat that granted its strength
improvements. Yeah, yeah, very true.
Yeah. But yeah, like, like for yeah,
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my, my, my groggy, my, my Tempest cleric.
Like he's a cleric of Thor. He does booming blade when he
hits with his hammer. The whole thing is that he does
like Thunder damage with his hammer and like, that's a major
part of that character. So like magic Initiate was the
major thing that I needed to take so I could get booming
blade access with the wizard that's.
That's exactly the way that I tend to I guess choose my feet
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is that is that same thing they it needs to satisfy almost all
the conditions in a weird way, but I suppose I would value them
like in order of making the character more fun, making the
character more potent, and then like how it affects the growth
of the character, I don't know. Do I have?
How much time do I have? You have 4 seconds. 4 seconds.
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That's it. There was.
It's his. It's how crazy.
Under. Pressure.
I had a. 22nd thing to say. 22ndthought he timed it in his head
and then realized 4 seconds he if you slowed anybody, if you
play this back at 1/5 speed, he actually said the 22nd thought
it sounded like he just went pivot, but I swear it was a
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bunch of words. That's great job, Kyle.
Great, good answer. Good answer.
Good answer folks. Good answers all around good.
Answers we got to get the the family feud good answer like
sound effect in here. You know, anytime they anytime
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I'm family feud someone answers a question.
It's always it's like good answer, good answer.
Everybody's clapping until the Oh yeah.
Yeah, but that's Steve Harvey saying it, right?
Like there's a. Guess well there.
I mean, I'm thinking of like Family Feud like we would have
on the NES and stuff. But yeah, we just need.
I need the sound respect to. ABS a Family Feud video game.
Oh yeah, yeah. Maybe on Super Nintendo, maybe.
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I can't remember if any at all there's.
Definitely a family feud. Did you know that Family Feud is
a show too? It's not just a game on the NE
Yes, did you know that I. Did know that, yes I did.
I would categorize it as a soundeffect if I stole the audio from
the show though. Still, it would still go in my
Tall Tale Tavern sound effects folder if it was Steve Harvey.
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OK. Where?
Well, we're after our second one.
We are. That means we're it's time for
Kyle's prepared segment, of course.
Kyle's prepared segment yet again, I do have a prepared
segment that I have prepared once again and.
It's terrific. He's prepared it, folks.
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In honor of the pirate campaign coming out tomorrow, where there
are lots of cannonballs used, Scott, where are there are a lot
of balls? I'll tell you where there are a
lot of balls are at on the Internet.
Oh, specifically on Disney Plus.There are lots of balls,
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specifically ballroom balls on Disney Plus on the show Dancing
with the Stars and Offspringers on ABC.
Bring it in. Here I am.
I'm the runway traffic guy. I'm I'm giving him the all clear
all land. And in these balls there are
cannon winners who are cannon tothe show because they are past
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winners of the mirror ball. And so, and the show just ended
a few days ago, a few days in the future from where we are, we
don't know who the winner of this mirror ball will be.
Congratulations or fuck you to whoever won, if that's not who I
won. Actually, I don't think.
I He's not Andy's, it's not Andy's.
So it's. Not Andy, but it's also, but
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also it's not Whitney. So I can't really be that mad
about what happened now that's. Right.
Give. Give a dig.
Yeah, yes. So I've got a quiz about where
you're gonna have to tell me that the answer to each one of
these questions is a past winnerand our people.
Listening right now. This is them, yeah.
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They're going in. They're freaking.
They're like freaking out. This is people listening to
their podcast right now are reacting the same way teen girls
did in the 60s when they saw TheBeatles, You know, like that's
that's the that's the energy I'm.
Imagine either that or they're they're they're hammering the
plus 15 seconds right now until they get through my.
(31:53):
Phone, it won't go. Plus 15 seconds till they get to
the end of the second. But no, here we go the
cannonball quiz of the cannonball room.
Balls, balls, mirror balls of the Dance with the Stars
winners. Here we go.
There are 123455 questions and abonus question you have to get
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You have to get three of these right?
OK. I can do.
That and I. Did now.
And now, in the interest of fairness, I did pitch this
concept to Kyle today. Yes, you did.
But I did not look up any winners of past seasons to
refresh myself. And I've really only seen like
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Four Seasons. So I'm going to have to know the
clues, I guess, of who the person is.
So I did. I did prepare it.
I cooked it. I baked it.
But you gave me the recipe. Yeah.
So I guess you gave me the. Recipe.
That's not me looking for credit.
It's just me making it clear to you that I didn't, I didn't look
it up, right? Like, I don't, I don't have
actually. It's great because it is such an
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off the wall thing to dive into why we have a pirate camping
command. Yeah.
Anyways. I think it was a real a A to a
people. They saw the connection right
away, yeah. And our fans love Dancing with
the Stars. No matter how much we try to
convince them to love it, they it's worked and they love it.
So yeah, that's. Often how I describe things when
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they're successful is no matter how hard I've tried, it worked.
So that's good. Anyways, question one, who cut
the cheese? This season was packed with
action. It was season 14, but his number
was 80 at the end of the season.He received the ball, which was
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his entire job. Who?
Who? All right, let's hold on.
One more. One.
Let's try that. Read that one more I think.
The first two of these are the hardest that are.
OK, well that's good. Who cut the cheese?
Oh boy, I got no idea. Who cut the cheese?
This season was packed with action.
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Oh, it's got to be a Packers player, Aaron Rodgers.
And that's. The only Packers player is her
name you. Know I was like, I don't think
you know this person, Donald Driver is the answer.
No Donald Driver. I did not know Donald Driver but
I feel I'm giving myself .1 imaginary points for knowing
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those Packers Packers thing that's.
OK, you get what you get .1 imaginary points and I'm allowed
to have. Imaginary points because I
drafted I in the numbers draft so I'm allowed imaginary.
Great. Is that what am I allowed from
the numbers I drafted? We've got one through 3 that's
pretty good. I know that is pretty good.
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Do I get those points all the time?
I don't know. Let's.
I'll think about. That I get boobies.
Yes, that is the best question #2 He's fast, really fast.
He can go 500 miles in just a few hours, and he does it every
year. Other than winning in Hollywood,
he's won four times in Indianapolis.
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OK, there's a hint. There's a hint with this one if
you want it. I will.
I do want the hint because I mean I can tell it's a race car
driver, but that's. Not all his first name is
similar to the name of the GreekGod of the sun.
First name is similar to the name of the Greek God of the sun
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And what's in as as Apollo, the Greek God of the sun?
And if so, what's the name that's similar to Apollo?
I can tell you it's Apollo is not the Greek God of.
He pulls the chariot though thatraises the sun.
Doesn't Apollo has the who's gotthe little wings on their feet?
Is that that's? Hermes.
In Greece, Hermes I. Don't know Apollo or Nike in
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Roman. Think well, I don't know this
Kyle. I don't know a single race car
driver's name. Helio Castroneves, Helio.
That makes sense. Which I didn't know he was on.
I want to watch his season kind of because I he, I root for him
every year. So he's great.
He's good, but. Is he a good?
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Is he as good at driving as he is dancing and dancing with the
stars? Apparently.
Does he have lots of? Apparent he's a champion in
both. So yeah, he's won.
Well, he's won the Indy 500 and four times, which is like.
You would think, as someone who lives in Indiana, I would know
that I would know any winner of an Indy 500.
But you could, you could really put a gun to my head and you'd
be pulling that trigger. I also didn't think that you
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would know this one. Danica Patrick drives race cars,
right? Yeah, you could have guessed
Danica. I could.
That's not, I know that. And Jeff Gordon and Dale
Earnhardt, those are the those are the totality of people who
drive race cars that I know. Yeah, I don't know if my dad.
'S friend who whose name I can'tremember because he called him
Knob, was what he would call him.
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I don't know who Knob is. Yeah, Knob is mysterious to me.
Yeah, well. He didn't make it on Dancing
With the Stars, unfortunately. Is this is it slob on mine?
Yeah, first name Mr. Mr. Slavonmi.
So. Slavonmi.
Eastern European name? I guess I don't know.
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Question number. 3. Question #3 Let's get down to
business. This guy is a lifetime
performer. Let me finish.
I like the rest of the question that I wrote.
Let's get down to business. This guy is a lifetime
performer. His singing has earned him lots
of moolah, but I really only know him from moolah.
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Who? Donny Osmond.
Ding Ding. Ding oh wait, no, it's the it's
the white guy that voices Mooshuin Mulan 2.
Remember when we watched that one?
And it the guy who voices the Eddie Murphy dragon is a white
guy in the sequel. Yeah.
Oh, that's who you were guessing.
I was like, that was not Nanny Hosman.
Right. Like no, no, no not.
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The white guy yeah, that dude move on to what a non
problematic film I. Didn't have a.
Question #4 You've got one point, you got to get 3.
Question #4 She may have gotten 6th place in American Idol.
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Oh, hold on, we got a Amber Alert or something.
It's it's buzzing my whole entire desk.
Stop, stop, stop. Find them.
OK, great. Question number four, I'm not.
Cutting that out, people you got, you love it, it's in there.
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Question #4 She may have gotten 6th place in American Idol, but
she danced her way to victory when America picked her for the
mirror ball. Oh, that's it.
OK, America. Picked her she danced her way to
victory when America picked her for.
The mirror ball. Mm.
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Hmm. I think I'm losing this game,
Kyle. I unfortunately don't know my I
can't think of any American Idolcontestants that would tie in
with Pictor, which is clearly some sort of clue, but I don't
know what it. Is it's painful?
Because the answer to this question is Kellie Pickler.
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Kellie Pickler. Kellie Pickler What season of
American Idol were they on? What are they?
Do they do they sing anything? She was on, I think one of the
early seasons. Like, I don't know.
I have to look up Kelly Pickler.Tapped out around season 3.
Really watching but I see pay. Attention 5.
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American Idol? Nope.
I don't know. Kelly Pickler, I don't think.
But good for you, Kelly. Good for you.
America did not pick her for American Idol, though.
You said sixth place. Yeah, 6th place, but she got on
Dancing with the Stars and won the mirror ball.
Which season of Dancing with theStars was she on, though?
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Dancing with the Stars, the sixth season, 16 with her
professional partner Derek Hough.
So. You know, Derek championed her
to. One of his many mirror balls my
man. Good job out there.
He's got balls, he's got mirror balls.
Sure does. Great.
We are on to question 5 and you need two more points.
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There's a bonus question. OK, Oh, I still got a chance.
You still got a chance. Does my imaginary pre won?
Does that factor in in any way? Don't this last one don't call
out your answer prematurely. You want to hear the full
question. I don't know if you're going to
get this. I don't know all.
Right, all right. He's not he, or excuse me, he's
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the not so Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
But he has his own moves. We still see him every week
being the host, but I'm not asking about him.
I want to know who was his pro. Man, Celia, she still dances.
Still she does. Celia has pointed out to me who
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she is many times. I.
Feel like the least, I don't know if we've commented in the
text in in our group text, but at least Carrie and I have
talked about it multiple times who who his partner was.
God, I wish I could remember anybody's name except for the
people. I know it's not.
I know it's not Daniela, but that's the only name of a pro
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that's entering my mind at all. I'll give you another hint.
It is one of the final ones thatare still dancing, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So who's left?
And it's the one who dances withRobert.
I know that it's that, but I don't know her name.
Then that's the problem. I can picture her, but, well, I
can't. But I know what she looks like.
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It's the one that dances with, referencing the one dancing with
Robert. Robert Irwin.
Robert Irwin would be Whitney, and that is the correct answer.
Whitney. I kept thinking of an answer.
But I knew it wasn't an H but it's that WH and Whitney W
kidding me. That's AW.
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Well, guess what? This bonus question potentially
potentially. Potentially.
Has is worth 2 points. Are you ready?
Good. Yeah.
Potentially. Let's see what I mean.
Here is the bonus question. Crikey, take a look at this.
A winner from down under, the offspring of an icon.
And by the time this episode comes out, there may be two
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answers to this question. So we are we talking about
Robert and Bindi Irwin? Yes, we are.
All right. OK.
That's 2. Points.
So if so, if well, if Robert wins, if he wins the mirror
ball, then you. This is TBD.
You'll find out next week. Well, I'm no, I'm not going to.
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They won't let it letting you, you'll know if you looked it up.
Otherwise you're going to have to wait a week to find out if I
won this game or not. And we'll, we'll find we'll be
we'll come back to it. It's TTTTTTTBDDD.
Great job. We'll see if you are the winner
of the The Tall Tale Tavern Mirror Ball.
(43:35):
I hope so. Who are you?
I think Robert. On who's left do you think,
Robert? Oh, I'm so I think that Robert's
going to win, but I am actually,I think I'm rooting for Alex.
I think that she's my favorite dancer, Alex.
Is the is the only person he's been voting for other than Andy
who's gone. So yeah, I think I'm with you
and I, I had no investment in Alex to start.
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I was staunchly opposed to all TikTok celebrities generally,
yeah, social media ones. But she's won me over.
She's good, she's doing the work.
She's good and she's put in the work.
And Robert is great too. Either one would be a worthy
champion. Or Jordan.
I really like all the ones that are left.
I would be happy with any of thewinners that.
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I don't think, I don't think Dylan can win.
I don't think I'd, no, I don't think I would win, right, I
think. He could, because.
He's hot and his brother's superfamous, so like it could happen.
I just don't think he, I think he's a noticeable step below the
other dancers, even though he has gotten a lot better.
I think he potentially is the most improved though, which
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makes me think it's maybe OK, but but that's a that's a lot of
Dancing with the Stars talk, which I know our our listeners
are really wanting more. They're hitting the 15 seconds
back. No, don't let it end.
Don't. Never.
Maybe they'll say something different this time.
We won't, but you can keep trying folks.
We've got our last role, Kyle, and it is and it it it so our
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role, of course we discussed Becca got to it, right?
She she hit that sucker and thanks to my laziness of not
repopulating questions in the list, she rolled the 98, which
is actually the last question inthe list right now.
So 13 minutes on the clock for us to discuss Kyle, If you could
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swap 2 characters from any adventure, who do you think
would be the most effective and the most chaotic?
And that time is going to start right now.
OK, that's I like the question it the the part of it is some of
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these adventures are different levels and I think that that
should factor in a little bit too like, you know, if you're.
I think I should swap Baby Malter into the level 21 shot
that we did at Gencom. Baby Malter.
Baby Malter, Yeah, he's just a baby rolling around with this
tear. Ask what was it that we fought
in that thing? Tarasque, Yeah, yeah, Tarasque
(46:05):
yeah, That's, that's fantastic. That'd.
Be fun. I'm not sure.
Let me think. I gotta.
I gotta buy time while I talk and think of who's.
Gonna be interesting. I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take
Giuseppe Le Mon into into Zoonopia.
He's a way it doesn't fit. He's not.
He's a human. He's a human.
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You could take. He wouldn't be haunted.
That totally played in rats versus.
Comedy that that that immediately does.
Or the rat man of Ratovia. It doesn't.
Now this doesn't say player characters.
This has 2 characters. So we can show up.
The rat man of Ratovia, Rat people of Ratovia, I think if we
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put him in instead of I feel like him and Global would have
would provide similar energy to the Zoonopia team.
But he's like, he's like a mob boss rap man Lord or something.
He's a yeah. It'd be, it'd be great.
It'd be good. I'm.
Kind of into that now I I, I like now that I'm thinking that
(47:08):
it could be not player characters even, you know.
It would be interesting. There's so many possibilities
that we could do at this point with with any character, I would
think. I think it would be fun to bring
in Mavs, the bagman guy as he's turned into the bagman and put
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him onto mothership and all of asudden we have even more horror
aspect to the to the mothership and.
Now what this says though is it does say you have to swap 2
characters. So they swapped into the
Halloween adventure to replace the bag man.
Well, I think Bob would be good Bob in the because he'd be the
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middle-aged dad who's kind of the, the head of the, the, the.
Dad who's taking the kids trick or treating, you know, with
them. That'd be that could be pretty
fun. I'm kind of into put.
Bob in there, I think that'd be a good swap.
I'd like to replace of my own characters.
I'd like to swap Belk and Don Donaldson.
I'd like to put Belk in an office environment and just kind
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of see how he melds in. Was going to start.
Murdering people, right? Probably it's going to question
them if they're they're part of the Omnicore or whatever the
nipacore. Nipacron or make a prime, but I
I feel like Initiatech would be like, yeah, we're developing
that technology for this. Environment.
That's another good one to put in the office.
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That's a that's a great one. Who else can we walk?
Into an office environment Who'sgoing to cause problems?
I mean, it would be fun to put like like anybody from this
elderly conduct into the office to feel like Mike is already the
kind of over it guy, but they could feel the incompetent
boomer in the office role. You know, I think that that
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would be and then I think if we had to swap, if we're doing a
true swap, I think swapping Perry into dis elderly conduct
and having him be like the the idiot that all the old people
pile on. Would be pretty funny.
I could put Perry in a lot of these.
I'd love Perry. I got to we got to get EV back
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on the show. I know, we really do.
Perry, that was, that was a great character.
Man, anybody from that world? Yeah, they swap into other
adventures quite oddly to imagine them in there.
Cassie Nyson, Let's. See, I want to know.
Let's see. I want to know where to put GAIL
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and GAIL. We did.
We got to swap GAIL. And GAIL from hell hath no fury.
Are they going together or do they get to enjoy going to
different places from each other?
I think we'll get the the IMPH is summoned by Gay by the.
They have to go together. They have to be together, you
think, because if I could just swap GAIL the Imp, I would like
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to swap GAIL the Imp with Christopher from Wild Love.
I think it would be fun if we had encountered GAIL the Imph in
Wild Love to early on. He would not be a help.
He would make for a great encounter them in the wild NPC
if you need information from him.
He's so inappropriate. What do you need?
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Awful. So inappropriate and awful.
Doing yoga in the woods. That's what he would be doing.
Let's see. I'm trying to think some of my
let's see some of my favorite enemies or some of the like
bosses, you know, that I've thatI've ran the I think that
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finding a place for officer or Marshall Tannenbaum and
Marshall. What's the other ones name?
Buckworth or something like that.
Yeah. Buckworth.
That's the name. Putting, putting those in an
environment where they're just they're, they're, they're not
going to succeed. Like a, a group like, I feel
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like the, like the, the Dis elderly conduct group, I feel
like would not listen to them. Like they would try to take
charge and they would, yeah, theDis elderly conduct group, like,
no, we're too old for this. Like you're not ordering us
around. We're doing our own thing.
This isn't this isn't a swap butjust you Speaking of dis elderly
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conduct and these Old West characters.
I'd like to see the 2 old Jed and what what are the names?
What were the Oh well, the the Dragonborn dudes?
Oh, the Dragonborn, Jeb and I don't forget the other one's
name, but yeah, Jeb, Jeb and. Jed, is it just?
Jeb and Joe. I bet it's Jeb and Joe.
Could be Jeb and Joe something abit of Joe.
(51:52):
Let us know the name of the characters from our show.
Yeah, I'd like to see them hanging out with the dis
elderly. You ain't a spy, are you?
I love those two fucking guys. The most heartbreaking heel
turns of of the podcast. I think we all, really.
Put them in put them in crowningAI achievement as a instead of
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like in the first one, you know,instead of Paulo, you guys
finding the crime Lord Paulo andthat gives you like the rest of
the the the adventure. Yeah, of course Paul has played
later, but have it be Jeb and Joe the crime.
I'm into Jeb and Joe the dragon board, old men, Dragonborn crime
Lord, twins. Who isn't?
(52:34):
Who doesn't want that? Let's think Kyle, we've got we
have, we still have 6 minutes onthis, so you better start really
digging deep on these. Well, let's.
Start killing some time and lookat some of the killing time
characters. Thwaik was one that I literally
put into other ones because because I liked that character
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and and one of the and he showedup in an expedition untold in
different ways. Let's let's say we sub Thwick
out with I think that Thwick would honestly sub easily out
with any of the Christmas peril characters where Thwick is like
an elf or something. That's like going with them.
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He doesn't help. Yeah, and he has good, like,
kind of nervous energy for a place that's very busy, like the
North Pole. You know, there's a lot going
on. And Thwick is a very like trying
to keep track of it all, all thefigures, all the numbers.
He's got he's got head elf energy where he would be in
chart like keeping track of every of every detail of the
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North Pole, you know? But he'd be anxious about it
too. He's got he's got anxiety from
it. I feel like Thwick.
Thwick feels like an anxious guyto me.
But maybe that's maybe I'm. Not yes, no, he is.
No, he is. No, He's very anxious.
His whole thing was that Hooks was his like, you know, person.
But but the elves, I mean, a nervous elf would make sense
with the chaotic offspring of ofSanta Claus and him having to,
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you know, try and figure out howChristmas was going to be saved.
He'd be panicking the whole time.
So who? Who gets cycled out?
Who gets swapped in though, you know, does Kringle?
Is Kringle Harken on the case? Is Kringle Harken a police
officer now? It's Karken on the case.
Yeah, I guess it could be a playa non player character as well.
(54:28):
It's Santa Claus. I think we should substitute
Santa Claus into the story of killing time.
I think that would be good, yeah.
Man, I wonder if Frank Club fromKilling Time would fit anywhere.
Do we have anything where it'd be good to have a boxer who's
punching people? The Tavern.
Brawl the live show, if that's. True, the live show he could
swap into that or Gladdy in theaters just because he feels
(54:51):
like a fighting game character to me to just be like the noir
turtle guy. Just yeah, I don't know, there's
I played the in Eternal Champions, the the Sega Genesis
game that I reference all the time.
There is a new war guy in it, soit feels like an archetype.
I'd actually, I'd like to see him.
OK, here's why he needs to go toGladian theaters because I'd
like to see him sizing up Hobsonand Gobson in their trench coat
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versus him and his trench coat. You know, I'd like to see if if
he could even squeeze them in and they form like a three
person trench. Nice for just a moment.
Hobson and Gobson would be interesting ones to try to swap
into really like any other adventure too.
They're just those are those aretwo of my favorite characters in
general. I think just I like the idea of
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a of a 2 headed monster style character.
We should do that sometime Kyle.We should play like a like a 2
headed person like the another Disney Channel straight to video
movie reference. But the and I know you'll
remember this Kyle, obviously the Hercules zero to hero VHS
tape that has the three segments.
(55:55):
One of them featured 2 headed A2headed monster where one of them
is voiced by Brad Garrett from Everybody Loves Raymond.
That's not the one where they goto the the the the the
university or whatever. They they do go to the school in
that's this is the only Herculesmovie we watched, right?
So they do go to the school in that one.
(56:17):
It's just there's three, there'sthree.
Adventures in the same place it's.
A classic 3 episode. Gotta rewatch it.
Gotta rewatch. It obviously rewatch that one.
Please do not. Please do not, Kyle.
All right, Two minutes left on the timer. 2 minute warning,
folks. 2 minute warning, everybody.
The last. 2 minutes. I want to find a place to maybe
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put M Tiro or Namby or Hugh. I know I was trying to think for
them too but it's it's almost hard to imagine.
Like where are they most effective?
Where are the most counted because their entire adventure
is swapping into stories. Right.
I think so. Namby namby anthem
anthropomorphic. Let's put her into Let's put her
(57:01):
into Zoonopia. Who do you sub into Expedition
Untold? Into the book club, you think.
Absolutely. Actually, I think Lizzie makes.
No sense. Lizzie makes the most sense.
It's absolutely has. To be Lizzie, it's not to be
Lizzie, You're right. But I.
Think Tawad is too afraid that he poisons the pages and then
someone else is going to pick him up and get poisoned from his
(57:23):
with his with his skin. But, well, he wears gloves.
And he does. I was, I mean that is both of
them are that was that's one of my favorite moments in the in
expedition of told us when they have to like pass the gloves
back and forth to each other or whatever.
At some point he he gets his gloves.
I can't remember. At some point somebody gets
gloves from Toad or MTR gives his gloves to Toad or something
like that. Maybe I'm misremembering it.
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Maybe I made it up in my head. Either way, we got to swap the
other two. We got like 45 seconds, Kyle,
so. The easy one for Hugh for me is
is with Valley Jack, both big, both Marshalls.
And Valley Jack would love to read.
I feel like he's somebody who would participate.
OK, so then who's the who's the equivalent that you can you know
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what? I'm going to swap two of my
characters. I'm going to put him to your own
space because I want L 10 to be in the book club because I know
he loves to learn. All right, so, and he's a
magical guy. So let's.
So you heard it here, folks. We're going to do Expedition
Untold. Version 2 is going to be Lizzie
Mcphire. L10 and Valley Jack are going to
book club together. That I'd listen.
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That sounds kind of fun. That'll be part that's part of
our Other Worlds advent. You know what if series.
The reroll, we'll call it, I don't know, something re roll,
but we'll spell it ROLE because we're recasting too.
You know, boom, time is up on this question, Kyle.
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I don't know. What you're talking about fails.
It comes out. Beautifully every.
Time, I think. Let's see what we're discussing.
Oh, I like this question, Kyle. As soon as I need to find AD 20.
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For how long we have to discuss it.
I'm not going to tell you what it is yet till I get a timer.
All right, folks, you ready? Are you ready?
Kyle? We have 13 minutes to discuss
physical maps, TV screen, virtual maps, theatre of the
mind. Does it matter at all?
What are our preferences? And that time starts now.
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The time starts now. The lucky number 13 amount of
minutes to talk about this. We obviously on the podcast,
we're all theatre of the mind, but you have a map yourself a
lot of the time, right? So it's kind of different for
you. You're the only one who isn't
purely theatre of the mind on the podcast.
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Well, yeah, but you also play inRyan's campaign, Singer's
campaign, and he does the he hasa full DM table like AD and D
table with the with the TV embedded in it.
That's a, you know, incredible to play on.
I mean you also in in in our IRLgames you run ATV with a map on
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it too. And you usually you and you and
Singerman both like to print outmini figs.
You know, you like to do a lot of 3D printing and have tangible
representations of the things that are in the game, which
oddly enough, given what we werediscussing earlier, as somebody
who can we realize I have a Fantasia or whatever and I can't
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picture things in my mind at alltoday.
I don't necessarily still feel aneed for any of that physical
stuff when I'm playing the game.I feel I actually kind of prefer
playing on the podcast with nothing in front of me.
With nothing, just the end of the mind.
Yeah, I just find all that otherstuff tends to, like, slow
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things down for me almost in a way, you know, like getting
things set up for moving pieces around.
It's just this, it feels just asvivid to me to just be sitting
there and telling you what happened rather than needing to
like move a piece 6 inches across the screen and then tell
you what happened. I'm picturing almost like a skit
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where it's like the monster moves to you and then you don't
react and then like the like he reaches over and moves the the
little mini fig like 3 squares over and then you scream.
No totally non non reactive to your character dying until the
DM knocks them over. Side breaks it over and then
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it's like, no, it's scratch. I think it scratches a totally
different itch for me that with the, with the mini figures and
the maps and the physicalness ofit, it's almost like, not that
it's a different game, not that it's a different game, but it's
the same game. But it's like the fun of playing
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just a board game with friends and moving pieces around and
like seeing the, the, you know, just physical distances between
things and exploring parts of a physical map right there.
It's almost like it's like scratching a different itch.
And I have the benefit of playing both systems all the
time where it's like half the time I have a map, half the time
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I have the theatre of the Mind podcast, you know, theatre of
the mind on on this podcast where I sometimes have maps up,
but they're they're not like maps for you guys to even see.
The players don't see them. No, no, you know.
And then Kyle's maps, and whenever I do see them, are
typically like, here's a grid with like a square on it and a
circle, you know? That's yeah, I put them in those
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PDFs that are available like youcan buy the the three pack of
the one of look at this guy. Shamelessly debugging our
products from the middle of our patron episode.
But on those there you can see the maps and I and there's like
a blurb on there. The reason I bring up this is a
blurb in before the maps. Like these maps are beautiful
and they're just used by the DM and you can use them for
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reference on kind of where to start the encounter.
But yeah, the recently I've alsobeen more inspired to create
physical maps because mostly because of Tyler, honestly,
because. Tyler makes like cool.
He makes like 3 dimensional foamlike arenas.
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I feel like I see pictures. He made the he made the the
tower, the the dice tower that this is what he made.
And so he will make maps for hisplayers that look like this, you
know, and it's like, holy cow, that's amazing.
And I love that ass. I love that aspect.
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And so like one of our recent things that we did, I have now I
have like some of this crafting stuff because I bought some foam
and whatnot. But there was like a a foam
football field where you guys were playing in the Boggle
verse, which is of course the inky, the inky universe that is
a mirror of our own, filled withlittle Boggle creatures.
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That are goblins. Just for anybody who's not
familiar with their actual name.I didn't make this up.
This is Canon 5 E stuff the boggle verse.
But you guys are on a football field.
No, it's not I. Wish it was.
I don't know, there might be like some weird sourcebook
that's like, here's boggles. Did you know they have their own
little time to make my own inky underside dimension?
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Yeah, upside down. But it, but it's, it was like
black and white on one side and then you guys had created a
portal or convinced them to linkhands to create a portal.
And so there was a circular green part and that was kind of
fun to make like a physical map of to have you guys play on,
but. I think that's where it ends for
me on things though, is I'm like, that's kind of fun, but I
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don't know. But that's just like I, I've, I
just don't, I don't need it whenI'm playing, but I appreciate it
at the same time. You know, I actually thought
when we started the podcast and it was going to be theatre of
the Mind, I was like, is that going to work?
Because I've never done theatre of the mind before.
I always, yeah, I'd only played like when I started playing DND,
it was 3.5 and our DM would literally, he would just, he'd
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pull out the same sort of like dry erase map that I have with
the grid on it. I know you have one too.
And he just dropped the map likeon the fly, like if we were on a
place that needed a map, you know, with our mini figs.
And that's how I always played Intel.
Playing in Ryan's thing. I'm like, oh, people are using
TV's and screens and crap now. Like we're hitting legit with
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it. And then I was like, well, it's
going to feel like such a downgrade to just go theatre of
the mind for the podcast. And then it just this feels
totally the same to me personally when it.
Comes to the actual playing, because the jump for me was we,
you know, started playing DND with Ryan and the the cool TV
and his maps are like he puts a lot of the effort and time into
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making like really cool maps on the ark and forge, like on the
on the, you know, on the map making software.
I have the same software and mine are OK, but I don't you
know, but but basically went from that to, you know, DM ING
our own tape, my own table at the house, which was I would I
had some like physical prints. I didn't do the TV thing right
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away. Remember I had like the
gymnasium of the school, like cardboard, like printed out,
like with computer paper, you know, to like kind of simulate
that feeling. And then I also had the grid.
But the theater, the mind thing was like, I think it was just a
jump. I think we just said that's just
how we would do it on a podcast because we want to have people
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listen to it. Yeah.
And you can't. Really, I feel like it was you
who I would have just assumed, Iguess when we did this that it
would be like we have a because any other time I'd played online
it had been like roll 20, right?And then there's like a virtual
tabletop. I'd only ever really played with
like bones DM ING a couple timeson roll 20.
So I just assumed we'd have it and we would just have to do the
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work of like describing how we move, you know, narrating it
like, OK, I move my token like this much.
But ultimately it's better to not have the map because the
only descriptors that we give then are just like, OK, I want
to move toward the right. Like the enemy.
Am I close enough to move towardthem?
You're the only one who has to keep track of those like nitty
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gritty things that would, I think, not translate well to an
audio medium of like, OK, I'm moving you 6 spaces diagonally.
Like that's boring as fuck to listen to and.
Like every round having to describe exactly where you are
and the where the columns are and things.
Yeah, the yeah. Going back to the question,
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like, what do you prefer? I so I I enjoy the variety a
lot. I enjoy being able like doing
both things. There's not like, oh man, I have
to make a map for my home campaign, right?
Like I enjoy that part of it because it's different.
The theater, the my thing, the major benefit of it is I can be
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more lenient as Adm and be like,yeah, your, your movement speed
can get you there. You know, if I look at the map
and I and I see that you guys, your characters 35 feet away or
needs is like 40 feet away from something, I can be pretty
lenient and say, yeah, you use your movement to get there and
like no problem. Yeah, yeah.
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In that way, there's never goingto be like push back from
anybody at the table who might be a stickler for the rules,
whoever that would be. Right, like what?
They can't think of. Technically they can't.
There's nobody. You're calculating diagonals.
You know every one, every two spaces is is 1 1/2 or whatever
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you. Know, I just hate when there's
people at the table like that, so it's nice that we don't have
that option on the podcast. It makes it makes those types of
things a lot easier from my standpoint where I can be
lenient and say that makes senseyour character can get there or
that doesn't make sense. He's a little farther away and I
can design and I can easily picture combat that way a little
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bit easier and so. I'm somebody who likes sort of a
fluid creative zone, I guess youcould say.
Like I like the option for more things to possibly be able to
come in and work. So not having a map giving you
that sort of leeway, letting thethe situations not feel like
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perfectly defined necessarily inmy mind during theater of the
mind I find is. A good example of this is
actually for something that's coming out tomorrow.
And we use this, we use different movement things, you
know, not a build movement rulessometimes.
And the pirate campaign is if you are trying to get from 1:00
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section of the ship of a ship toanother, it's kind of like you
can use your movement speed to get to the other main deck if
you're going across the gangplank.
There's no like counting squares.
If you want to get from your main deck to another one, maybe
you have to grab a rope and do an ability check to just swing
there. Cuz on pirate ships there's
ropes everywhere that you can just swing from, right?
It's true. That is something we all know
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about pirate ships. There's just ropes to swing
around. There are.
I mean, there are. I'm not even disputing it.
It's just it doesn't really seemlike there should be so many
ropes to swing. On in a movie, if you got to
swing somewhere, you just reach over and grab the rope and swing
across you can. Just cut a rope and swing and it
I guess it won't affect the ship.
I don't know, I assume that these ropes do something, but
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people are constantly just cutting off and swinging and
shit and not ruining everything.So I'm not much of A pirate in
real life, I just play one on this podcast.
I think I would say though, as aplayer, I think I prefer having
physical maps. I think that it scratches the
itch for me of playing a board game, moving minis around.
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I just bought a big board game. That's the big game Valheim,
which is a video game. They did a Kickstarter for it a
year ago and bought the Kickstarter for the for a board
game version of it and cash and I have been playing it and it's
came with this big box of the knees.
I'm sorry, Cash. It's great.
It's so much fun. The game takes like 2 1/2 hours
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to play around and he plays the and we play the whole thing and
he's like let's play tomorrow. It's it's awesome.
But it has minis on it and you have your own little your own
little, you know, I've got like a Ranger mini that I use and he
uses the one with the big axe and it's like, you know, it's
it's like DND of well, you know,I mean it's just a board game
with minis, but it's like I likeI like playing with minis in
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general. I think it's AI think I would
choose that if I it's. Interesting.
Maybe it's maybe it maybe because of the fact that I can't
really picture things in my head.
I don't feel the need to have a tangible thing while pretending,
you know, like it's. That a Fantasia thing that came
up literally today where you text me is like, can you picture
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an apple in your head? And I was like, well, yeah, I
can picture an apple. I can spin it around and give it
smudges, cut it up and you know,it's picture perfect in my
brain. And you the the the a Fantasia
thing we've been referencing is,I guess you can describe it.
Yeah, it's just, it's literally just, I can get the sense that I
can think about something, but Ican't picture it at all.
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Also, our time is up. It just just ended.
But that doesn't have to end a fan.
I mean, technically that's a yellow curve because we weren't
staying on topic about what about the question at the end
there in a way. But yeah, it's just something I
I was scrolling late last night and saw like that image of one
through 5. How much can you picture
something in your head? And it's like, if you can't
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picture anything at all, you might have a Fantasia.
I was like, Oh yeah, I didn't think anybody actually could
picture something in their head.So that's been my.
Interest. I didn't know that about you.
And when I saw this online a fewyears ago, I was like, oh,
that's very strange of people, like can't do that because I
just do that. We've talked before about how
you're not like an inner monologue person, so it's like,
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it's the exact same thing to me when I can't even imagine what
it's like to not have an inner monologue, you know?
So for you then it's like, what's it like to not be able to
picture things, I guess? Yeah, our brains are so
different. I mean, such different brains.
It's so interesting. It's fascinating.
I was talking with Brooke about this.
I pitched to her. We need to just do an episode
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where she just administers a bunch of like, psych tests to us
and just tells us what's wrong with us.
Just figure it all out, get it all out there.
Great, let's get her in. Whoa, we're this Kyle.
This is a special episode of theTTTTS.
It's TTTTTTTS at night. This is our first after dark
(16:05):
recording of the TTTS. Yeah.
So if you know, if you notice we're our energy is a little
lower or maybe a little more sensual, it's because the sun
has gone down. The sun has gone down and just
like in Agrabah, what's the line?
It's something that hot at nightor something.
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What the hell is the line now? I can't remember.
Is this something about being hot at night?
Something at night. Hotter than hotter than hot?
I don't know. I was going to say the sun goes.
Arabian Nights. It's about Arabian.
Nights. Tall Taverns.
Are hotter. Hotter than hot.
In a lot of good ways. In a lot of good ways.
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That's what he says, right? In a lot of something ways,
that's what's in there. And it's a double meaning for
sex. I whoa, you think they would
they would put that in a Disney film.
The only double meaning that's present in the Aladdin trilogy
is the genius naming of the villain of Aladdin 2.
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Return of Jafar. I'll be small because he's such
an abysmal. Person I love Abby Small.
Abby, Small sucks. Goodness, Kyle, this is the,
this is the as we both know, this is the news segment of the
podcast, right? We're supposed to talk.
About This is the news. News well this there there is
(17:32):
big news this episode is the episode that is releasing right
before the premiere tomorrow of the pirates of ceramic we've.
Only been saying it. For 8 episodes that it was
imminent, well guess what? 9th episode.
We're letting you know it is imminent.
Imminent finally imminent tomorrow night on YouTube at
(17:55):
8:30 PM Eastern Time. Join us there We'll be in the
chat there talking about it and I'm I'm excited it's gonna be
it's gonna I'm yeah, I'm so I'm very excited about this
campaign. 8 episodes of greatness of fun of a lot of lot
of pirate stuff. It's just I've talked too much
about it, arguably because we'vehad so many, so many weeks to
(18:16):
talk about it, but. He's really been milking it.
Really. Really.
Good sucks. This podcast sucks.
I'm excited for it though, Kyle.I'm excited for Ceramica.
This one that we're recording right now sucks, but Ceramica is
good, so I'm excited for people to get to hear that.
And I need, Oh no, no, I can't talk.
(18:38):
I was going to talk about a spoiler from it, but I can't
because people haven't listened to it yet.
So I'll ask you this question later.
We don't need to worry about that.
Sorry guys, you don't get to know what Kyle and I are going
to talk about. You don't get to hear every
conversation that we have. Actually just text it to me
right now and they can listen toyou typing it and then you can
listen. That's good.
I would do that if it wouldn't bother me later when I was
(19:00):
editing, and then I would decideI can't have it be quiet this
long and I have to cut it. Piss me off, Kyle.
We listeners are calling for it.They want the silence.
They want the silence. OK guys, if you want to simulate
that feeling, then pause the podcast right now and just wait
a few seconds Kyle, you need this is going to be fun.
(19:24):
You need to ask the Discord to roll AD 100 and D20, but they're
not going to expect it right now.
They're really going to be strong.
Should. We What should we put money down
on? Who's going to be?
The money down. Money.
Who's going to be the the personto to give us the answer?
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Well, the problem is how do we, how do we, how do we bet on it?
Like is it just we each pick oneperson and if it's neither of
them, nobody gets any money? Or is it like?
I don't know. I hadn't really thought about
it. OK, He didn't think about it.
That sounds that's par for the course.
I think for us just we'll just do it.
We're not going to really think about it.
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Yes, I am betting that it is going to be Natalie.
Dang, that was actually going tobe my pick, I think.
I think actually, I think Dane'son it tonight.
Let's see, you mean Dane. All right, all right.
Yep, he's posting all. Right, we'll see.
We'll see who comes in hot with the answer all.
(20:32):
Right. In the meantime, while they work
on coming in hot with the answer, I have rolled Kyle our
second topic. Woo.
Yeah, and well, we don't have towait long for them to come in
hot with the answer neither. It was she got in there.
It would have been. That would have been the easy
bet. What are you going to do?
Yeah, it really was. It was.
(20:54):
It was a too easy bet on us. Hold on, I need to post like
people can get their silence right now because I need to post
a GIF in here. I need to put the gift from the
Quicken the dead when Leonardo DiCaprio gets shot and dies and
says shit, that was fast. So all right, I feel good about
(21:17):
that. Now, Kyle, I have rolled on the
patron questions for us, a question from our dear friend
Mav and he has requested, I guess that you roll this with
disadvantage looking at the the topics, which is interesting to
me that somebody actually pickeddisadvantage.
He might have done it on accident, but the sheet says
disadvantage. The question you're rolling for
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how long we have to talk is you're both Feet enjoyers FEAT
OK, but do you pick feats based on their effectiveness or their
applicability to a character's back story or development as
they level? OK, All right.
Just how long? Disadvantaged role.
(22:01):
Here it goes with disadvantage that is a six. 6A minutes to
discuss a starting and now all of the above.
It kind of depends character to character what I'm choosing A
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feat for. I feel like sometimes you see a
feat and you're like, oh, that'sreally good for like the
mechanical build that I have. Other times I see a feat and I'm
like, well, that's kind of like a funny little extra element to
add to the character, you know, like or gives them just like a
little extra thing that I don't know if I can think about how my
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head. But like if I wanted a character
who could teleport for some reason, I might take like a
magic initiate, like magic initiate feat to get a misty
step or a fave, whatever. But not necessarily because I
want it for like combat purposes, but because they're
like they have, I want them to have some sort of ancestry where
they have a teleport, you know? Yeah.
Do you ever take into account for the direction your character
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has grown or part of their back story?
The, the, the example I'll bringup is Becca's character Hugh in
exhibition untold. When she was, when we were
leveling up, she was like, ah, there's like some really great,
like fighter feats that I could take.
But there's also the chef thing,like the chef feat, which is
like what Hugh is. And she ultimately went with
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that, which was like very important for, you know, a lot
of things that happened. You know, that was, you know,
lots of she did a ton of cookingas as Hugh and was able to like
pull in snacks from, you know, going through the portal that
that was part of like the flavorof like when she got long rest
as we went through the differentsettings.
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So that was where she app, you know, actually took a feat based
on, you know, the chef had nothing to do with a, you know,
optimization for a character Forme, for me, the answer is
probably purely mechanics and fun things that I want to do
with the character. I think like, like when I was
choosing A feat for like, you know, whiskey waltz or
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something, I think I just wantedhim to have a climb speed.
So I took like, and I wanted himto be as fast as possible.
So I just picked the I forget what this feat's called, but it
it's like athletics or something.
It's some. I think athletics gives you a
climb athlete. Just the athlete feat gives you
a climb speed and gives you likeadvantage on certain checks.
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Maybe I can't remember but. When I've yeah the for the
characters. You don't need a running start
for your jumps. I think also with the athlete
feet you can get your long and high jumps without the running
start. Or you only need 5 feet instead
of 10 feet, something like that.I'm like almost purely thinking
about like fun things that I want to do with the character
and does this help me achieve that?
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I feel like I'm doing that, but then I'm always trying to be
cognizant of like, can I backward engineer a reason that
this ties in with the character in a like more thematic way or
something like that? You know, like, I don't know,
like, like the best examples of like good feats to take for me
is like Amper in Arkindale had the actor feat.
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She is already somebody who liesall the time and does deception
roles. And that gives you advantage to
like impersonate people and mimic their voice.
And like, I wanted it, I guess to like enhance her mechanics,
but it also ties in so well. I thought often if you're doing
it right, the mechanics and the character are a symbiotic
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relationship, you know, so they kind of all.
And that combo with the emperor made it very difficult for me
all the time. If Amber wanted to do, if Amber
wanted to do something, a lot oftimes it could have happened.
That's like the the Trump mum Donnie thing.
I just saw a funny TikTok where a guy was just laughing about
how, yeah, the mom Donnie, I think it's how you say his name.
(26:02):
The new mayor of New York City went and talked with Trump and
it went really well. And Trump was like, love the
guy. And it see, the guy was like,
this is like when the DM sets upa scenario and Mom Donnie was
just rolling that 20s and it ended up and it ended up with
him being friends with the president.
Yeah, when they're supposed to be enemies.
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Feels incredibly accurate. Yeah, that's what.
Hamper feels like a lot, yeah. And I mean, but I do, I am
somebody who almost 100% of the time jumps to feats instead of
ability score increases I feel like.
But I will specifically like I won't take a feat I guess, if I
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know that it is disadvantageous to my future growth with the
character in the sense that likeI'm always looking for 1/2 feat
that applies to an ability scorethat I need, right?
Like I wouldn't take a feat thatgave me like plus one to
strength on a character that already had strength as a dump
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stat. But that is again, I just think
mechanics and character working hand in hand because if this
character had strength as their dump stat, they wouldn't be good
at a thing at a feat that granted its strength
improvements. Yeah, yeah, very true.
Yeah. But yeah, like, like for yeah,
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my, my, my groggy, my, my Tempest cleric.
Like he's a cleric of Thor. He does booming blade when he
hits with his hammer. The whole thing is that he does
like Thunder damage with his hammer and like, that's a major
part of that character. So like magic Initiate was the
major thing that I needed to take so I could get booming
blade access with the wizard that's.
That's exactly the way that I tend to I guess choose my feet
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is that is that same thing they it needs to satisfy almost all
the conditions in a weird way, but I suppose I would value them
like in order of making the character more fun, making the
character more potent, and then like how it affects the growth
of the character, I don't know. Do I have?
How much time do I have? You have 4 seconds. 4 seconds.
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That's it. There was.
It's his. It's how crazy.
Under. Pressure.
I had a. 22nd thing to say. 22ndthought he timed it in his head
and then realized 4 seconds he if you slowed anybody, if you
play this back at 1/5 speed, he actually said the 22nd thought
it sounded like he just went pivot, but I swear it was a
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bunch of words. That's great job, Kyle.
Great, good answer. Good answer.
Good answer folks. Good answers all around good.
Answers we got to get the the family feud good answer like
sound effect in here. You know, anytime they anytime
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I'm family feud someone answers a question.
It's always it's like good answer, good answer.
Everybody's clapping until the Oh yeah.
Yeah, but that's Steve Harvey saying it, right?
Like there's a. Guess well there.
I mean, I'm thinking of like Family Feud like we would have
on the NES and stuff. But yeah, we just need.
I need the sound respect to. ABS a Family Feud video game.
Oh yeah, yeah. Maybe on Super Nintendo, maybe.
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I can't remember if any at all there's.
Definitely a family feud. Did you know that Family Feud is
a show too? It's not just a game on the NE
Yes, did you know that I. Did know that, yes I did.
I would categorize it as a soundeffect if I stole the audio from
the show though. Still, it would still go in my
Tall Tale Tavern sound effects folder if it was Steve Harvey.
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OK. Where?
Well, we're after our second one.
We are. That means we're it's time for
Kyle's prepared segment, of course.
Kyle's prepared segment yet again, I do have a prepared
segment that I have prepared once again and.
It's terrific. He's prepared it, folks.
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In honor of the pirate campaign coming out tomorrow, where there
are lots of cannonballs used, Scott, where are there are a lot
of balls? I'll tell you where there are a
lot of balls are at on the Internet.
Oh, specifically on Disney Plus.There are lots of balls,
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specifically ballroom balls on Disney Plus on the show Dancing
with the Stars and Offspringers on ABC.
Bring it in. Here I am.
I'm the runway traffic guy. I'm I'm giving him the all clear
all land. And in these balls there are
cannon winners who are cannon tothe show because they are past
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winners of the mirror ball. And so, and the show just ended
a few days ago, a few days in the future from where we are, we
don't know who the winner of this mirror ball will be.
Congratulations or fuck you to whoever won, if that's not who I
won. Actually, I don't think.
I He's not Andy's, it's not Andy's.
So it's. Not Andy, but it's also, but
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also it's not Whitney. So I can't really be that mad
about what happened now that's. Right.
Give. Give a dig.
Yeah, yes. So I've got a quiz about where
you're gonna have to tell me that the answer to each one of
these questions is a past winnerand our people.
Listening right now. This is them, yeah.
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They're going in. They're freaking.
They're like freaking out. This is people listening to
their podcast right now are reacting the same way teen girls
did in the 60s when they saw TheBeatles, You know, like that's
that's the that's the energy I'm.
Imagine either that or they're they're they're hammering the
plus 15 seconds right now until they get through my.
(31:53):
Phone, it won't go. Plus 15 seconds till they get to
the end of the second. But no, here we go the
cannonball quiz of the cannonball room.
Balls, balls, mirror balls of the Dance with the Stars
winners. Here we go.
There are 123455 questions and abonus question you have to get
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You have to get three of these right?
OK. I can do.
That and I. Did now.
And now, in the interest of fairness, I did pitch this
concept to Kyle today. Yes, you did.
But I did not look up any winners of past seasons to
refresh myself. And I've really only seen like
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Four Seasons. So I'm going to have to know the
clues, I guess, of who the person is.
So I did. I did prepare it.
I cooked it. I baked it.
But you gave me the recipe. Yeah.
So I guess you gave me the. Recipe.
That's not me looking for credit.
It's just me making it clear to you that I didn't, I didn't look
it up, right? Like, I don't, I don't have
actually. It's great because it is such an
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off the wall thing to dive into why we have a pirate camping
command. Yeah.
Anyways. I think it was a real a A to a
people. They saw the connection right
away, yeah. And our fans love Dancing with
the Stars. No matter how much we try to
convince them to love it, they it's worked and they love it.
So yeah, that's. Often how I describe things when
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they're successful is no matter how hard I've tried, it worked.
So that's good. Anyways, question one, who cut
the cheese? This season was packed with
action. It was season 14, but his number
was 80 at the end of the season.He received the ball, which was
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his entire job. Who?
Who? All right, let's hold on.
One more. One.
Let's try that. Read that one more I think.
The first two of these are the hardest that are.
OK, well that's good. Who cut the cheese?
Oh boy, I got no idea. Who cut the cheese?
This season was packed with action.
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Oh, it's got to be a Packers player, Aaron Rodgers.
And that's. The only Packers player is her
name you. Know I was like, I don't think
you know this person, Donald Driver is the answer.
No Donald Driver. I did not know Donald Driver but
I feel I'm giving myself .1 imaginary points for knowing
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those Packers Packers thing that's.
OK, you get what you get .1 imaginary points and I'm allowed
to have. Imaginary points because I
drafted I in the numbers draft so I'm allowed imaginary.
Great. Is that what am I allowed from
the numbers I drafted? We've got one through 3 that's
pretty good. I know that is pretty good.
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Do I get those points all the time?
I don't know. Let's.
I'll think about. That I get boobies.
Yes, that is the best question #2 He's fast, really fast.
He can go 500 miles in just a few hours, and he does it every
year. Other than winning in Hollywood,
he's won four times in Indianapolis.
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OK, there's a hint. There's a hint with this one if
you want it. I will.
I do want the hint because I mean I can tell it's a race car
driver, but that's. Not all his first name is
similar to the name of the GreekGod of the sun.
First name is similar to the name of the Greek God of the sun
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And what's in as as Apollo, the Greek God of the sun?
And if so, what's the name that's similar to Apollo?
I can tell you it's Apollo is not the Greek God of.
He pulls the chariot though thatraises the sun.
Doesn't Apollo has the who's gotthe little wings on their feet?
Is that that's? Hermes.
In Greece, Hermes I. Don't know Apollo or Nike in
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Roman. Think well, I don't know this
Kyle. I don't know a single race car
driver's name. Helio Castroneves, Helio.
That makes sense. Which I didn't know he was on.
I want to watch his season kind of because I he, I root for him
every year. So he's great.
He's good, but. Is he a good?
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Is he as good at driving as he is dancing and dancing with the
stars? Apparently.
Does he have lots of? Apparent he's a champion in
both. So yeah, he's won.
Well, he's won the Indy 500 and four times, which is like.
You would think, as someone who lives in Indiana, I would know
that I would know any winner of an Indy 500.
But you could, you could really put a gun to my head and you'd
be pulling that trigger. I also didn't think that you
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would know this one. Danica Patrick drives race cars,
right? Yeah, you could have guessed
Danica. I could.
That's not, I know that. And Jeff Gordon and Dale
Earnhardt, those are the those are the totality of people who
drive race cars that I know. Yeah, I don't know if my dad.
'S friend who whose name I can'tremember because he called him
Knob, was what he would call him.
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I don't know who Knob is. Yeah, Knob is mysterious to me.
Yeah, well. He didn't make it on Dancing
With the Stars, unfortunately. Is this is it slob on mine?
Yeah, first name Mr. Mr. Slavonmi.
So. Slavonmi.
Eastern European name? I guess I don't know.
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Question number. 3. Question #3 Let's get down to
business. This guy is a lifetime
performer. Let me finish.
I like the rest of the question that I wrote.
Let's get down to business. This guy is a lifetime
performer. His singing has earned him lots
of moolah, but I really only know him from moolah.
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Who? Donny Osmond.
Ding Ding. Ding oh wait, no, it's the it's
the white guy that voices Mooshuin Mulan 2.
Remember when we watched that one?
And it the guy who voices the Eddie Murphy dragon is a white
guy in the sequel. Yeah.
Oh, that's who you were guessing.
I was like, that was not Nanny Hosman.
Right. Like no, no, no not.
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The white guy yeah, that dude move on to what a non
problematic film I. Didn't have a.
Question #4 You've got one point, you got to get 3.
Question #4 She may have gotten 6th place in American Idol.
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Oh, hold on, we got a Amber Alert or something.
It's it's buzzing my whole entire desk.
Stop, stop, stop. Find them.
OK, great. Question number four, I'm not.
Cutting that out, people you got, you love it, it's in there.
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Question #4 She may have gotten 6th place in American Idol, but
she danced her way to victory when America picked her for the
mirror ball. Oh, that's it.
OK, America. Picked her she danced her way to
victory when America picked her for.
The mirror ball. Mm.
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Hmm. I think I'm losing this game,
Kyle. I unfortunately don't know my I
can't think of any American Idolcontestants that would tie in
with Pictor, which is clearly some sort of clue, but I don't
know what it. Is it's painful?
Because the answer to this question is Kellie Pickler.
(39:36):
Kellie Pickler. Kellie Pickler What season of
American Idol were they on? What are they?
Do they do they sing anything? She was on, I think one of the
early seasons. Like, I don't know.
I have to look up Kelly Pickler.Tapped out around season 3.
Really watching but I see pay. Attention 5.
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American Idol? Nope.
I don't know. Kelly Pickler, I don't think.
But good for you, Kelly. Good for you.
America did not pick her for American Idol, though.
You said sixth place. Yeah, 6th place, but she got on
Dancing with the Stars and won the mirror ball.
Which season of Dancing with theStars was she on, though?
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Dancing with the Stars, the sixth season, 16 with her
professional partner Derek Hough.
So. You know, Derek championed her
to. One of his many mirror balls my
man. Good job out there.
He's got balls, he's got mirror balls.
Sure does. Great.
We are on to question 5 and you need two more points.
(40:43):
There's a bonus question. OK, Oh, I still got a chance.
You still got a chance. Does my imaginary pre won?
Does that factor in in any way? Don't this last one don't call
out your answer prematurely. You want to hear the full
question. I don't know if you're going to
get this. I don't know all.
Right, all right. He's not he, or excuse me, he's
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the not so Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
But he has his own moves. We still see him every week
being the host, but I'm not asking about him.
I want to know who was his pro. Man, Celia, she still dances.
Still she does. Celia has pointed out to me who
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she is many times. I.
Feel like the least, I don't know if we've commented in the
text in in our group text, but at least Carrie and I have
talked about it multiple times who who his partner was.
God, I wish I could remember anybody's name except for the
people. I know it's not.
I know it's not Daniela, but that's the only name of a pro
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that's entering my mind at all. I'll give you another hint.
It is one of the final ones thatare still dancing, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So who's left?
And it's the one who dances withRobert.
I know that it's that, but I don't know her name.
Then that's the problem. I can picture her, but, well, I
can't. But I know what she looks like.
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It's the one that dances with, referencing the one dancing with
Robert. Robert Irwin.
Robert Irwin would be Whitney, and that is the correct answer.
Whitney. I kept thinking of an answer.
But I knew it wasn't an H but it's that WH and Whitney W
kidding me. That's AW.
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Well, guess what? This bonus question potentially
potentially. Potentially.
Has is worth 2 points. Are you ready?
Good. Yeah.
Potentially. Let's see what I mean.
Here is the bonus question. Crikey, take a look at this.
A winner from down under, the offspring of an icon.
And by the time this episode comes out, there may be two
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answers to this question. So we are we talking about
Robert and Bindi Irwin? Yes, we are.
All right. OK.
That's 2. Points.
So if so, if well, if Robert wins, if he wins the mirror
ball, then you. This is TBD.
You'll find out next week. Well, I'm no, I'm not going to.
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They won't let it letting you, you'll know if you looked it up.
Otherwise you're going to have to wait a week to find out if I
won this game or not. And we'll, we'll find we'll be
we'll come back to it. It's TTTTTTTBDDD.
Great job. We'll see if you are the winner
of the The Tall Tale Tavern Mirror Ball.
(43:35):
I hope so. Who are you?
I think Robert. On who's left do you think,
Robert? Oh, I'm so I think that Robert's
going to win, but I am actually,I think I'm rooting for Alex.
I think that she's my favorite dancer, Alex.
Is the is the only person he's been voting for other than Andy
who's gone. So yeah, I think I'm with you
and I, I had no investment in Alex to start.
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I was staunchly opposed to all TikTok celebrities generally,
yeah, social media ones. But she's won me over.
She's good, she's doing the work.
She's good and she's put in the work.
And Robert is great too. Either one would be a worthy
champion. Or Jordan.
I really like all the ones that are left.
I would be happy with any of thewinners that.
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I don't think, I don't think Dylan can win.
I don't think I'd, no, I don't think I would win, right, I
think. He could, because.
He's hot and his brother's superfamous, so like it could happen.
I just don't think he, I think he's a noticeable step below the
other dancers, even though he has gotten a lot better.
I think he potentially is the most improved though, which
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makes me think it's maybe OK, but but that's a that's a lot of
Dancing with the Stars talk, which I know our our listeners
are really wanting more. They're hitting the 15 seconds
back. No, don't let it end.
Don't. Never.
Maybe they'll say something different this time.
We won't, but you can keep trying folks.
We've got our last role, Kyle, and it is and it it it so our
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role, of course we discussed Becca got to it, right?
She she hit that sucker and thanks to my laziness of not
repopulating questions in the list, she rolled the 98, which
is actually the last question inthe list right now.
So 13 minutes on the clock for us to discuss Kyle, If you could
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swap 2 characters from any adventure, who do you think
would be the most effective and the most chaotic?
And that time is going to start right now.
OK, that's I like the question it the the part of it is some of
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these adventures are different levels and I think that that
should factor in a little bit too like, you know, if you're.
I think I should swap Baby Malter into the level 21 shot
that we did at Gencom. Baby Malter.
Baby Malter, Yeah, he's just a baby rolling around with this
tear. Ask what was it that we fought
in that thing? Tarasque, Yeah, yeah, Tarasque
(46:05):
yeah, That's, that's fantastic. That'd.
Be fun. I'm not sure.
Let me think. I gotta.
I gotta buy time while I talk and think of who's.
Gonna be interesting. I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take
Giuseppe Le Mon into into Zoonopia.
He's a way it doesn't fit. He's not.
He's a human. He's a human.
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You could take. He wouldn't be haunted.
That totally played in rats versus.
Comedy that that that immediately does.
Or the rat man of Ratovia. It doesn't.
Now this doesn't say player characters.
This has 2 characters. So we can show up.
The rat man of Ratovia, Rat people of Ratovia, I think if we
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put him in instead of I feel like him and Global would have
would provide similar energy to the Zoonopia team.
But he's like, he's like a mob boss rap man Lord or something.
He's a yeah. It'd be, it'd be great.
It'd be good. I'm.
Kind of into that now I I, I like now that I'm thinking that
(47:08):
it could be not player characters even, you know.
It would be interesting. There's so many possibilities
that we could do at this point with with any character, I would
think. I think it would be fun to bring
in Mavs, the bagman guy as he's turned into the bagman and put
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him onto mothership and all of asudden we have even more horror
aspect to the to the mothership and.
Now what this says though is it does say you have to swap 2
characters. So they swapped into the
Halloween adventure to replace the bag man.
Well, I think Bob would be good Bob in the because he'd be the
(47:56):
middle-aged dad who's kind of the, the head of the, the, the.
Dad who's taking the kids trick or treating, you know, with
them. That'd be that could be pretty
fun. I'm kind of into put.
Bob in there, I think that'd be a good swap.
I'd like to replace of my own characters.
I'd like to swap Belk and Don Donaldson.
I'd like to put Belk in an office environment and just kind
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of see how he melds in. Was going to start.
Murdering people, right? Probably it's going to question
them if they're they're part of the Omnicore or whatever the
nipacore. Nipacron or make a prime, but I
I feel like Initiatech would be like, yeah, we're developing
that technology for this. Environment.
That's another good one to put in the office.
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That's a that's a great one. Who else can we walk?
Into an office environment Who'sgoing to cause problems?
I mean, it would be fun to put like like anybody from this
elderly conduct into the office to feel like Mike is already the
kind of over it guy, but they could feel the incompetent
boomer in the office role. You know, I think that that
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would be and then I think if we had to swap, if we're doing a
true swap, I think swapping Perry into dis elderly conduct
and having him be like the the idiot that all the old people
pile on. Would be pretty funny.
I could put Perry in a lot of these.
I'd love Perry. I got to we got to get EV back
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on the show. I know, we really do.
Perry, that was, that was a great character.
Man, anybody from that world? Yeah, they swap into other
adventures quite oddly to imagine them in there.
Cassie Nyson, Let's. See, I want to know.
Let's see. I want to know where to put GAIL
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and GAIL. We did.
We got to swap GAIL. And GAIL from hell hath no fury.
Are they going together or do they get to enjoy going to
different places from each other?
I think we'll get the the IMPH is summoned by Gay by the.
They have to go together. They have to be together, you
think, because if I could just swap GAIL the Imp, I would like
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to swap GAIL the Imp with Christopher from Wild Love.
I think it would be fun if we had encountered GAIL the Imph in
Wild Love to early on. He would not be a help.
He would make for a great encounter them in the wild NPC
if you need information from him.
He's so inappropriate. What do you need?
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Awful. So inappropriate and awful.
Doing yoga in the woods. That's what he would be doing.
Let's see. I'm trying to think some of my
let's see some of my favorite enemies or some of the like
bosses, you know, that I've thatI've ran the I think that
(50:51):
finding a place for officer or Marshall Tannenbaum and
Marshall. What's the other ones name?
Buckworth or something like that.
Yeah. Buckworth.
That's the name. Putting, putting those in an
environment where they're just they're, they're, they're not
going to succeed. Like a, a group like, I feel
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like the, like the, the Dis elderly conduct group, I feel
like would not listen to them. Like they would try to take
charge and they would, yeah, theDis elderly conduct group, like,
no, we're too old for this. Like you're not ordering us
around. We're doing our own thing.
This isn't this isn't a swap butjust you Speaking of dis elderly
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conduct and these Old West characters.
I'd like to see the 2 old Jed and what what are the names?
What were the Oh well, the the Dragonborn dudes?
Oh, the Dragonborn, Jeb and I don't forget the other one's
name, but yeah, Jeb, Jeb and. Jed, is it just?
Jeb and Joe. I bet it's Jeb and Joe.
Could be Jeb and Joe something abit of Joe.
(51:52):
Let us know the name of the characters from our show.
Yeah, I'd like to see them hanging out with the dis
elderly. You ain't a spy, are you?
I love those two fucking guys. The most heartbreaking heel
turns of of the podcast. I think we all, really.
Put them in put them in crowningAI achievement as a instead of
(52:13):
like in the first one, you know,instead of Paulo, you guys
finding the crime Lord Paulo andthat gives you like the rest of
the the the adventure. Yeah, of course Paul has played
later, but have it be Jeb and Joe the crime.
I'm into Jeb and Joe the dragon board, old men, Dragonborn crime
Lord, twins. Who isn't?
(52:34):
Who doesn't want that? Let's think Kyle, we've got we
have, we still have 6 minutes onthis, so you better start really
digging deep on these. Well, let's.
Start killing some time and lookat some of the killing time
characters. Thwaik was one that I literally
put into other ones because because I liked that character
(52:58):
and and one of the and he showedup in an expedition untold in
different ways. Let's let's say we sub Thwick
out with I think that Thwick would honestly sub easily out
with any of the Christmas peril characters where Thwick is like
an elf or something. That's like going with them.
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He doesn't help. Yeah, and he has good, like,
kind of nervous energy for a place that's very busy, like the
North Pole. You know, there's a lot going
on. And Thwick is a very like trying
to keep track of it all, all thefigures, all the numbers.
He's got he's got head elf energy where he would be in
chart like keeping track of every of every detail of the
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North Pole, you know? But he'd be anxious about it
too. He's got he's got anxiety from
it. I feel like Thwick.
Thwick feels like an anxious guyto me.
But maybe that's maybe I'm. Not yes, no, he is.
No, he is. No, He's very anxious.
His whole thing was that Hooks was his like, you know, person.
But but the elves, I mean, a nervous elf would make sense
with the chaotic offspring of ofSanta Claus and him having to,
(54:07):
you know, try and figure out howChristmas was going to be saved.
He'd be panicking the whole time.
So who? Who gets cycled out?
Who gets swapped in though, you know, does Kringle?
Is Kringle Harken on the case? Is Kringle Harken a police
officer now? It's Karken on the case.
Yeah, I guess it could be a playa non player character as well.
(54:28):
It's Santa Claus. I think we should substitute
Santa Claus into the story of killing time.
I think that would be good, yeah.
Man, I wonder if Frank Club fromKilling Time would fit anywhere.
Do we have anything where it'd be good to have a boxer who's
punching people? The Tavern.
Brawl the live show, if that's. True, the live show he could
swap into that or Gladdy in theaters just because he feels
(54:51):
like a fighting game character to me to just be like the noir
turtle guy. Just yeah, I don't know, there's
I played the in Eternal Champions, the the Sega Genesis
game that I reference all the time.
There is a new war guy in it, soit feels like an archetype.
I'd actually, I'd like to see him.
OK, here's why he needs to go toGladian theaters because I'd
like to see him sizing up Hobsonand Gobson in their trench coat
(55:13):
versus him and his trench coat. You know, I'd like to see if if
he could even squeeze them in and they form like a three
person trench. Nice for just a moment.
Hobson and Gobson would be interesting ones to try to swap
into really like any other adventure too.
They're just those are those aretwo of my favorite characters in
general. I think just I like the idea of
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a of a 2 headed monster style character.
We should do that sometime Kyle.We should play like a like a 2
headed person like the another Disney Channel straight to video
movie reference. But the and I know you'll
remember this Kyle, obviously the Hercules zero to hero VHS
tape that has the three segments.
(55:55):
One of them featured 2 headed A2headed monster where one of them
is voiced by Brad Garrett from Everybody Loves Raymond.
That's not the one where they goto the the the the the
university or whatever. They they do go to the school in
that's this is the only Herculesmovie we watched, right?
So they do go to the school in that one.
(56:17):
It's just there's three, there'sthree.
Adventures in the same place it's.
A classic 3 episode. Gotta rewatch it.
Gotta rewatch. It obviously rewatch that one.
Please do not. Please do not, Kyle.
All right, Two minutes left on the timer. 2 minute warning,
folks. 2 minute warning, everybody.
The last. 2 minutes. I want to find a place to maybe
(56:40):
put M Tiro or Namby or Hugh. I know I was trying to think for
them too but it's it's almost hard to imagine.
Like where are they most effective?
Where are the most counted because their entire adventure
is swapping into stories. Right.
I think so. Namby namby anthem
anthropomorphic. Let's put her into Let's put her
(57:01):
into Zoonopia. Who do you sub into Expedition
Untold? Into the book club, you think.
Absolutely. Actually, I think Lizzie makes.
No sense. Lizzie makes the most sense.
It's absolutely has. To be Lizzie, it's not to be
Lizzie, You're right. But I.
Think Tawad is too afraid that he poisons the pages and then
someone else is going to pick him up and get poisoned from his
(57:23):
with his with his skin. But, well, he wears gloves.
And he does. I was, I mean that is both of
them are that was that's one of my favorite moments in the in
expedition of told us when they have to like pass the gloves
back and forth to each other or whatever.
At some point he he gets his gloves.
I can't remember. At some point somebody gets
gloves from Toad or MTR gives his gloves to Toad or something
like that. Maybe I'm misremembering it.
(57:44):
Maybe I made it up in my head. Either way, we got to swap the
other two. We got like 45 seconds, Kyle,
so. The easy one for Hugh for me is
is with Valley Jack, both big, both Marshalls.
And Valley Jack would love to read.
I feel like he's somebody who would participate.
OK, so then who's the who's the equivalent that you can you know
(58:06):
what? I'm going to swap two of my
characters. I'm going to put him to your own
space because I want L 10 to be in the book club because I know
he loves to learn. All right, so, and he's a
magical guy. So let's.
So you heard it here, folks. We're going to do Expedition
Untold. Version 2 is going to be Lizzie
Mcphire. L10 and Valley Jack are going to
book club together. That I'd listen.
(58:26):
That sounds kind of fun. That'll be part that's part of
our Other Worlds advent. You know what if series.
The reroll, we'll call it, I don't know, something re roll,
but we'll spell it ROLE because we're recasting too.
You know, boom, time is up on this question, Kyle.
And as you know, that means the time is up on the Tall Tale
(58:50):
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